 Tom here from Orange Systems, and I did a video just the other day about the issues currently faced with PF sense and Wiregard and that video of course became a hot topic so to speak and people really got confused Watching a video or just started speculating wildly, which of course happens a lot I don't always reply to the comments, but some of them kind of made me chuckle Why would Tom recommend that people use open sense if he can profit from all those private links? I don't know what private links this person's referring to we are not a reseller of neck eight I don't have any secret hidden links a matter of fact if any of you have Called us or contacted my company about purchasing a neck eight device You'll find us right away not with an affiliate link But just telling you contact neck eight directly to buy a device from them We don't resell their devices here and that's the way things are We don't even have any type of reseller agreement with them We just happen to use the product and most of my channel's reviews are based on the fact that we use a product Or I know it very well, so I created a tutorial on the product I do not tell people not to use open sense my words more specifically are always the same I don't have a use case for that That's almost been a joke that I should probably put on a shirt because if I don't use a product I don't do a tutorial on it because it takes a lot of knowledge to do tutorials and if I don't use a product I'm not gonna do a good tutorial on it. So you want a good tutorial on something It's usually because someone knows the product very well I don't use open sense, but I don't have a problem if you do open sense And I matter of fact specifically around open sense I'd rather see people using open sense than like some consumer garbage routers out there But I do want to leave people with options and let's jump right over to some options Open sense if you want to use open sense, I have no problem with it Do I plan on doing videos with it? Not at this time I don't have use case for that that still hasn't changed I have no problem with people who want to use open sense There's these weird thing that if I use one product any alternate product that competes with it Must be terrible or something per the person doing the review And that's simply not the case This goes through other things like I use XCPNG for a hypervisor People then assume oh Proxmox is a competitor you must not like him No, I just tell people to go over to Jay at LearnLinuxTV Because he has more tutorials on it because I don't use it but Jay does So that's my answer it's not a dislike And the same thing here If you want to use I don't have a problem I don't know why that matters Hopefully you're not using me of your only decision point here Please don't I actually encourage people to be more and more informed I just happen to do a lot of videos on the product I use Which happen to be PF Sense So if you want to use WireGuard And you want to use it inside of open sense Absolutely of note There is no known code problems right now But it is written using Go It is a user space implementation The excitement around the hopefulness we had for the PF Sense implementation Was going to be that it would integrate into the kernel As a kernel mode integration Offering a lot more performance And you'll get from a user space integration Because of the way context switching A lot of other details for the way kernel integration works But it is a functioning working secure system over here So there's no reason not to use it Even though they are based on a BSD style kernel I believe they use Harden BSD over in open sense It doesn't have a kernel integration yet though for WireGuard So that's where that situation is if you want to use it Have at it Back over here to Untangle Now Untangle is Linux based and does have WireGuard VPN And I've done a video on this I've done several videos actually on Untangle and reviewed it It's another thing that we've done tutorials on Because we use and deploy Untangle It's got a lot of nice filtering options Matter of fact, it's kind of my go-to When people say I really want really solid web filtering for Either home or business That's one of the reasons that we are officially a reseller of Untangle But before you think that biases me so much I don't have any private or hidden links Like it has been suggested when it comes to Untangle There Get Untangle button is at the top for everybody You don't have to buy through a reseller I do happen to be a reseller Because it's convenient when we have businesses That we deploy this to That want to just pay us for a service As part of the firewall stack And we'll sell Untangle to them We're not telling them to go to Untangle directly for billing We'll do all the billing for them That's why we're a reseller If you as a end user would like to get Untangle Either buy it Or get it for free They have a free version But unfortunately And this is something worth addressing right away WireGuard is not included in their free version But it's an option When you buy there like they have a home edition That you can get And I've talked about that in other videos But yeah, Untangle is another alternative That does have WireGuard built in Provided you buy some of their licenses Which I know make it a little bit less popular in a home lab Because some people are looking for something for free But if you wanted to get Untangle directly Absolutely you can If you want to try it out for free They can even have a 14-day free trial For the advanced features such as WireGuard Now someone's going to be mad Because they put WireGuard as an advanced pay feature I'll agree with you on that And because I may be a reseller But I don't work in a management capacity at there I would tell them That'd be cool if you guys gave that away for free But hey, let's argue about that another day This pops up a lot Vios Tom, you're not doing enough videos on Vios I love Vios I know a lot of IT people that use this I know they really like it I've seen it used commercially It's a good product But I don't use it Therefore it's a big learning curve For me to stop and learn something And then I won't be as good at it Because I don't use it every day So I'm It would be really difficult for me To switch everything over to this And then learn it And then create videos on it So once again, I'm not telling people Not to use Vios But when it comes to Vios It's like, babe, if you want to use it Absolutely Of note Vios has a complete command line interface For everything So the command line interface Means the learning curve once again Is a lot higher So it's not Like you can just load the web UI And start plugging away And drop a few checkboxes here and there And configure it It is a lot more configuration For how you do things Now that has some advantages Because you can be very implicit Like how you set interfaces And they have tutorials And they do have good documentation And they have reached out to me actually They would like me to create tutorials This is a while back and I declined I don't do paid sponsored videos Where someone pays me to make a video on their product It's not something I do here on my channel But yeah, if you'd like to use Vios I have no problem with that either Of course I think it's a good product If you're just looking for my opinion on it On Tingles Good Open Sense Hey, like I said I have no problem with it So people seem really happy with it So if Open Sense is your thing Or Untangle is your thing Go for it Now the last one I'll address Is Ubiquiti Now Ubiquiti offers their Unified Dream Machine And Dream Machine Pro Is their popular ones And they do have the USG and USG Pro For other routing functions We kind of shy away from those a little bit That's one I have a little bit stronger opinions on When I say kind of don't use it And that becomes a problem for some people Like what But I want that complete stack And the reason I say Kind of shy away from those Is they are really lacking in features And as soon as people start wanting features Like WireGuard or that You'll always find someone who posted a form Of some way to bolt on extra functionality From the command line On the Unify stuff But it's not baked in And it's frequently just plagued with problems And updates sometimes break those custom configurations So we tell people Look, if you just need the most basic routing Like a home user who doesn't worry About VPN or anything like that I think Ubiquiti makes a product for that So these are my thoughts and reply To people who are looking for alternatives To run WireGuard Run the system that works for you It doesn't necessarily mean I'll make a tutorial on it But if it's something that works for you Awesome If it's a product that fits your use case very well Then that's good too I don't know of any known problems In OpenSense or Vios or Entangle That would stop you from using WireGuard In any of those But I think they're all solid alternatives If you really want to get WireGuard working today And don't want to deal with whatever's going on With the drama and PF sense And the integration with the kernel version That they are working on right now Here in March of 2021 So hopefully that helps And clears a few things up on there So it's safe to use WireGuard It's safe to use in Linux It's safe to use on the other implementations It is currently questionable right now To be used on PF sense So feel free to take that out of context And leave some other form of words That you reassembled down below Because it does help with engagement When people comment on it Thanks, thanks And thank you for making it to the end of this video If you enjoyed this content Please give it a thumbs up If you'd like to see more content from this channel Hit the subscribe button and the bell icon To hire a share project Head over to laurancesystems.com And click on the hires button right at the top 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