 Patrick, how's the weather in Finland? It's minus 20 tonight. Wow. I don't know how much that is in space degrees. I was just in New York and it was not that cold. Minus 20 is around zero Fahrenheit. Actually, it's minus 16. So not quite there. But during the day we went out today and we had the baby in the stroller and he had basically 15 layers of wool on him. I think he was too warm at some point. But yeah, it was funny. We got like a tank stroller, giant wheels and we were walking around in the snow and he was like all snug and sleeping for the almost whole time. So it was good. The trailer. The stroller has been snow tested. Does it have like cool wheels where you can like jog with it type thing? Well, no, it's not a jogging stroller. It's more a all-terrain stroller. I'm imagining it like a monster truck. But a stroller. Not quite. You can't quite see it from here. Yeah, I mean, are you talking to your cat? No, she's talking to us. Whenever I'm out of town for a few days, they're like really excited to see me and really just mad. And then they fight each other. It's all good. Yeah, but it's one that is... But I always describe it like this massive giant thing and when people see it they're disappointed. I just realized it could be a great... That's what she said first thing. But right. Alright, never mind. Not a great crowd tonight. Sorry. I got distracted by the chat room. At least I think I'm funny. And ultimately that's the only thing that matters, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, sure. And talking about the argument thing, I think I've found that I often take the negative... Not the negative, but the... The devil's advocate. Not just, no, that too. But also when we talk about the situation, I found that I'm pointing out the ways in which things can't work out or the problems. And I'm worrying I'm a little bit too negative about stuff sometimes. Well, but that's always... I think that's the key is if you're like, wait, am I being too negative and then you can adjust. But I'm only realizing it now. I also would call you a contrarian by nature. No, I wouldn't. Which I would say about certain people, but not you. No, you have. Would you say that? But I'm realizing it now. I'm wondering if I haven't been doing it all my life and only now realizing that I'm... Past is imaginary. Being the downer. Time is a flat circle. Talking about these kinds of... Well, sci-fi really. I really like altered carbon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't watched that yet. I haven't finished all that. It doesn't end great, but it's still a good show. Well, at the end of the book, so... I have read the book. Ah, okay. I really like the world building they do in that show. It's all of the questions you would wonder about in that universe where those things are possible. They kind of touch on throughout the show. If you like that, you might like reading the book because you get even more of that kind of detail. Okay, maybe. All right, shall we begin the main show? The main event. What accent is that? I don't know. I was just trying to figure that out myself. There was a little German touch of Indian and then something that's unidentifiable, all mixed Indian. Probably Lawrence Welk. Maybe. A one and a two. Yeah, yeah. Could be. Anyway, bi-apologies. I want to apologize if I offended anyone, but since it's not actually a real accent, I don't know who that would be. So let's just do the show. Here we go. Daily Tech News Show is powered by you. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, February 20th, 2018 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And back at Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. And from Food Central in Helsinki with a very small baby sleeping in the next room. I'm Patrick Beja. You know, you've got to be careful using that one too many times. It's going to stick. Literally. Literally. Our producer, Roger Chang, is here as well. Roger Chang, how are you? Good. Good. That's all we need. You don't even say it a third time. We get it. You're good. Good. Let's start with a few techniques you should know. You know, after a holiday weekend, it's tough. Snapchat has added the ability to add gifts and yes, that's how it's pronounced, from the GIF research engine as stickers in your snaps. Snapchat also added tabs to the friends and discover screens. Gifts everywhere. Choi Hong-sik, governor of South Korea's financial supervisory service, told reporters that his agency is making efforts to normalize cryptocurrency trading. Choi, I'm guessing that's how you pronounce it, wants to establish a real name account system and money laundering guidelines. Meanwhile, in Japan, 16 cryptocurrency exchanges plan to create a self-regulating body there. So, Bitcoin's bouncing back, people. Bye now. Bye now. I'm kidding. Yeah, that is not actually financial advice. Samsung began production in January of a 30.72 terabyte solid state drive. You heard me right. 30 terabytes. The model number is the PM1643. It is now the largest capacity solid state drive in production, has sequential read and write speeds of up to 2100 megabytes per second and 1700 megabytes per second respectively. And of course, no price was announced. This is meant for enterprise, meant for industrial use. I'm going to fit the 15 terabyte from 2016. Has it even bubbled down to you yet? But I always get fascinated by these. I wish they didn't call it PM1643, but something like behemoth or, I don't know, massive. Couldn't it have been at 31 terabyte? Yeah, I mean, come on. Let's round up. Come on, people. Hey, you're so close. Well, let's talk a little bit more about payment systems, Patrick. Yeah, you know what? Android Pay is now Google Pay for Android. That's not confusing. At all. At all. Google Pay for Android. Just call it that. The app update is rolling out and has a redesign and some new functionality, such as the home screen, the home screen, which now shows you relevant stores around you where you can pay with Google Pay based on your location and previous stores where you use the service. Yeah, I thought one of the cool things about it, too, is they have struck deals with some banks, not all banks, but banks around the world, not just in the U.S., where you can set up Google Pay just in your bank. You don't even have to install Google Pay for Android. And then you can use Google Pay on your phone to pay with that credit card, with that bank's card. You know, in France, I don't know the status of Google Pay, but it seems that almost every bank that was first poo-pooing Apple Pay has now announced they are integrating it. And they were saying, we're going to make our own service. It's going to be so much better. But I don't know exactly what happened there, but maybe, you know, mobile payment is gaining ground all around in France, even though banks were not super enthusiastic to begin with. Well, the discovery aspect, I think, is really important. You know, if I don't have Android, but I have Apple Pay, and so it's like, if I just sort of knew on a home screen, oh, this store actually accepts that, then I, you know, know going in before I get there, and then I get used to using it. But would you select a store, though, from which kind of payment it accepts? I wouldn't select the store, but if I knew ahead of time that Apple Pay was accepted, I would use it. Yeah, if I know Google Pay is accepted, I'll pull out my essential phone, and I'll pay with it. Essential phone. Qualcomm raised its offer to buy NXP semiconductors to $127.50 per share. As you will recall, this will force Broadcom, which is trying to buy Qualcomm to reassess a stipulation in its $121 billion bid for Qualcomm. Now Qualcomm does not raise the previous $110 per share offer for NXP, so Qualcomm is basically saying, well, we want to, because that's what it's worth. Broadcom is now nominating members for Qualcomm's board to be voted on March 6th. Yeah, so, wow. NXP has a bunch of wireless technology that Qualcomm wants to have, because a lot of it has to do with cars, and Qualcomm wants some help getting farther into the car market. Broadcom wants to own Qualcomm, because Broadcom makes older modem and wireless chips, and it wants all of Qualcomm's main chip production and wants to be part of that. And this is all part of a consolidation of this particular sector of the market, because there's so much price leverage in the hands of Apple and Samsung, mostly, that a lot of these companies feel they need to team up in order to combat that leverage. It's interesting that Qualcomm doesn't think it wants Broadcom, but Broadcom thinks that it should, you know? Yeah, I think that story is a little bit confusing. All I'm kind of hearing is ARM semi-conductor manufacturers are teaming up because things are heating up. Well, Qualcomm's ARM, and NXP does some ARM, but it's all about, yeah, the chip, the part makers are like, crap, Apple and Samsung have way too much leverage over us. But Qualcomm wants to stay independent of Broadcom. They don't think Broadcom's business is worth it to them. They think NXP's is. And so they raised their price on NXP because Broadcom said, we don't want you to pay too much for NXP, but we do want to buy you, even though you don't want us to buy you. Yeah, but it's all ARM, right? All of this is... Qualcomm's stuff is ARM, not all of it's ARM. A lot of it's like modems and Wi-Fi. Yeah, but all of them, all of the CPUs and those things are, it's ARM extended. Yeah, I'll see what you did. Technology recycler Eric Lundgren was convicted of conspiracy and copyright infringement against Microsoft for manufacturing 28,000 Windows Restoridus back in 2013. He was sentenced to 15 months in prison and a $50,000 fine. Now, that sounds uncontroversial, right? Counterfeited Windows, of course he's going to get that. But a federal appeals court has granted an emergency stay of the sentence so that Lundgren can appeal because Lundgren says, I don't deny I made the disks and I don't deny that I hoped to sell them, but I didn't sell them. And he said he was just trying to extend the life of refurbished computers. His appeal is pending before the 11th Circuit. What he was doing, and this is interesting, was downloading restore disks from Dell, which you can do for free, sending them to disk, which is not illegal, and offering them to people who had legal license keys on refurbished computers, but no disk. He says, I'm just charging for the service. You can do this yourself. If you have a computer you're refurbishing and the drive is blank, but you've got a valid license key, you can go to Dell's website, download a restore disk image, burn it to a disk and install it on that machine. What I'm doing is making it easier for people to refurbish computers by providing these disks and charging them a little for the service. And just to be clear, the disks do require, I mean the software on the disks, does require a valid key in order to be functional. Yes, and Lundgren wasn't trying to get around that. He said you can only use these disks if you have a valid key. There's no cracked software. It's just the actual restore image from Dell that he wanted to give to people who were refurbishing computers to encourage them to refurbish them. His big mistake though was to burn the Dell and Windows logos onto the disks to make them look like actual restore disks which is why he got the copyright violation. Okay, and so he's saying he did burn the disks. He did hope to sell them, but he didn't. What he was selling was the service of downloading them and burning them and making them look like they were legit. I think it seems like his defense makes sense, but the way he was doing it doesn't really sync with what he's saying he was doing or the intent with which he was doing it. Yeah, he's also like, you know, his whole thing is like, I was just recycling. I'm the recycling guy which is kind of great in theory if you think about like, okay, you know, his word at face value, it's like, well, he was doing a good deed, I guess. But if there's not a law that allows him to do that sort of thing, it's like, yeah, Microsoft's going to go out to you. Well, okay. You want to take that one back? Yeah, I mean, if he's just downloading the thing, printing them on disks and giving them to the people who need it and charging them a tiny fee for that service, sure. Why does he need to burn the logos? He admits he's like, burning the logos was a mistake. I'll pay for that. I'll pay the trademark violation. That's what he expected. He didn't expect a prison sentence because he didn't think he would get convicted of counterfeiting because he says, I'm not counterfeiting. Well, he is though. Whether or not he wanted or he's downloading a freely available image and burning it to disk. He actually didn't sell any of them yet. He sold the service though, quote unquote. He didn't actually sell any of them. He intended to. No, but you were saying I'm helping and people are paying me for the service. Right. His intention was to charge them a little bit of a fee for doing it. He never got paid. He never actually did. Okay. So in that case, yeah, if he didn't receive money, it seems like definitely this is whatever the intention was, he didn't receive money. This seems excessive. FOPPOS in the chat room says something with someone else's logo printed on it equals trouble. That's pretty much true. But in this case, he didn't sell it, which is the key. He didn't receive money. We have a funeral, guys. What? RIP swipe keyboard. Well, soon anyway. Nuance communications, which bought swipe for $100 million back in 2011. Gosh, it's like seven years ago now. Confirmed to XDA developers that swipe is no longer in development for Android or iOS. In response to a reddit poster who emailed swipe developers about a bug on Android, the company replied it would instead concentrate on developing AI solutions for sale directly to businesses. It's now confirmed that with a post on its website saying it's leaving the quote direct to consumer keyboard business to concentrate on developing our solutions for sales. Swipe was a big deal back in the day. I didn't realize that it sold back in 2011. It seems like so long ago. It seems like it was a big deal. And then people were clamoring to get keyboards on iOS, third-party keyboards, and obviously they already had them on Android. And it was a big thing. And everyone was like, oh, how can you not have it? And then it arrived. And everyone was like, yeah, this is awesome. And now it seems like the hype has died down a little bit. I'm sure some people use third-party keyboards and are super excited about them. But even the little app store keyboard app store on iOS has not gone very far it seems. So has it died down the hype? I think the hype has, but not the usefulness. I know a lot of people use Gboard and are very happy with Gboard these days. If I focus in our Slack, we're talking about that too. And there's other you can get SwiftKey still like SwiftKey and Gboard are probably your best bets if you're looking for an alternative. I think there's a little nostalgia going on here of like, hey man, I really like to swipe. And there's probably a lot of people still using it. And you could still even download it. They're just not developing it anymore. Which means you probably shouldn't download it. Yeah, I mean there was a time where swipe was like, wow, think about, you're just connecting the letters. It was very novel and for a lot of people it was really helpful. And yeah, it took a while to come to iOS. It never really stuck with me, but I certainly know plenty of folks who were like, this is the keyboard. Best thing ever. R-I-P just one swipe. Okay. Hey, you know what? Two companies that track online disinformation, new knowledge and the Alliance for Securing Democracy claim that Twitter account bots that may have links to Russia began tweeting about the Parkland school shooting shortly after the tragedy in an effort to spark debate on divisive US issues. Federal and congressional investigations are looking at Russia's role in influencing the US presidential election in 2016 and the role social media played. So if you're wondering like, okay, who are these new knowledge is some Austin folks who, one of the CEO used to be a product manager at AOL a long time ago and has moved up companies and start-ups. So they are a real group of people not bots themselves. And the Alliance for Securing Democracy, that's got Michael Cherdhoff former Bush era Homeland Security head. It's got Bill Crystal involved in it. So these are not, it's interesting these days when you throw out names like this it's like, okay, but did somebody just create a website for that? So I looked into that. These are real organizations. And honestly, Patrick, I'm just not surprised. I'm like, of course, of course I mean, that's definitely what's going to happen for a while. That quickly though, and that efficiently I mean, they're talking about one hour after the event happened. Yeah, why would it take longer? Well, you know what, I think we might have an opportunity to talk about that very topic in the discussion. All right. You know what, that's a very good point. Folks, if you want all the tech headlines each day, subscribe to Daily Tech on Amazon, Echo, Google Home, etc. Anchor app, DailyTechHeadlines.com But let's get into our main discussion because it bears particularly on this Charlie Warzel from Buzzfeed posted a story earlier this month about Aviv Ovadia, chief technologist at the Center for Social Media Responsibility. He gave a talk a few weeks before the 2016 election called infocalipse which sounds dirty, but it's spelled infocalipse about maybe infocalipse about a crisis of misinformation. So a lot of people say he's the guy who predicted fake news. He knew about it before anybody else and nobody would listen to him. His premise is that platforms like Facebook and Twitter and Google prioritize clicks, shares, ads, and essentially money making opportunities over the value of information. And that's been the reason that's been happening since the election basically and is really heated up this year. Ovadia says it's going to get worse. He talks about things like reality apathy where people start to say I don't know what to believe anymore so I'm not going to believe anything. Or automated laser phishing where instead of just sending you a phishing email they get really good at impersonating the tone, maybe even the video or the voice of your friend to convince you to hand over your personal information. There's even crazy things like human puppets where people are tricked into acting on behalf of someone else without their knowledge. Anyway, he's warning that technologies will distort what's real faster than we can learn to mitigate against them, Patrick. I think the idea of reality apathy should be developed a little bit further. The reason he's coming to that conclusion is that we're getting really good at creating fake reality. If we thought that fake news was something that had happened and now we have to deal with it his argument, and I think there is some weight to it is that technology is actually still advancing and there are tools that allow you to create fake footage video and audio footage of real people or even fake people that just look real enough that it gets confusing and his theory, he's positing the idea that when you get so much of that that looks good enough and it takes too much work to distinguish what's real from what's not at some point you just give up and you just throw your hands up in the air and you're like alright, well whatever, I don't even know what's real anymore I don't care it might all be fake for all I know it's just whatever and I think if I had heard that kind of line of thinking a couple of years ago I might have said alright, people will still care at this point I'm not sure at all, I think he has a very valid concern which we have to be aware of and I think it's like if you want to talk politics call your representative sound your voice the apathy is the problem most people just don't go through the trouble of letting the people who make decisions know how they feel even if they do feel a certain way it's sort of like you've got an apathetic group of folks who could enact change but don't necessarily do that it's not so much a come on everybody let's get together it's more of like why is this happening what is the surge is it real does it actually go back to anything that's tangible and is it designed to fool a large group of people and if I can't tell who the bots are I give up that's where the apathy gets really bad here's the thing I just want to step us back for a second because this may be different this time but with books in the printed word with radio with sound recordings with television with Photoshop it's always been ah this time reality can be faked and people can be convinced that something is true that isn't true and we're going to get problems because of that and reality apathy isn't a new concept but every time our society has figured out a way to adapt to that and say okay well we know what the risks are and we can still have a productive conversation every time this happens too someone says ah but this time it's different yes in radio we got used to it and we had the war of the world scare but we got over it but television television is visual it's different so why is this time really different that's the key question that needs to be addressed I think yeah well I think it might be I think it might not be different we won't know until a few years from now I think one of the issues is the flooding and the speed with which these fake reality elements can be fabricated it's a lot automated and he's talking about a specific term I forgot computational propaganda I think and so the issue becomes first of all you drown people in fake things so even if you can tell with a little bit of work you can actually produce so much fake that reality is lost in the middle of it and the other thing is you can cast doubt on reality meaning you can someone who did something can then pretend oh I didn't really do that it's fabricated and yes you might disprove it but it might take too much time or people will have something to latch on to to say oh well he says he's fabricated and I want to believe that which by the way President Trump is has started mentioning a few months ago about his the famous recording the the locker talk recording so we've seen some of that maybe happening already what he is he is I'm talking about the idea now he is saying there are good signs however because in the fake news issue we it fell on our heads and we weren't aware he now he's saying we are more aware of it so we're thinking about it and looking at it and there are ways to verify cryptographically the reality of an image or an audio recording or something like that I don't know the technical details but he's saying there are ways of doing that so I think ultimately if your prediction Tom or your observation which this always happens and we find ways if that is to become true I think we're going to be placing a much higher value on trust trust might become actually a currency you know the volume or explosiveness of the information might not be as valuable as how much you trust the source and hopefully within a few years we will have we will know to distinguish and to search for the origin of a piece of information where does it come from it comes from somewhere I don't know oh you know maybe we need to to have a very verified network and it comes from Twitter no one's verified there I'm not going to trust it it comes from this other social network or this but it's interesting that you say currency it's interesting you say currency because a trustable currency runs on a blockchain and I think the cryptographically verification could involve blockchain for content and for images could be so yeah maybe I think trust is going to become a very valuable currency if that is to happen looking ahead just because historically every sort of social network since they became a thing kind of dies and a better one emerges we're still in the Facebook era where it's like there's Twitter too of course Facebook is like what's going to beat Facebook no one knows it seems like it's not going anywhere and I wonder if this is the beginning of the trust breakdown you know and I'm looking ahead a bit but the trust breakdown where it sort of ends up failing or collapsing because enough people realize that most of it is BS yeah this could I had the same thought this could be the thing that maybe doesn't kill Facebook but stops Facebook's dominance it's funny how we often think in pairs of opposites as a community like nothing can stop Facebook also Facebook is going to collapse like you know you hear both things out there so I will finish I will wrap us up by saying what happens usually is the new threats that are real overwhelm us at first look like they're unassailable it takes somebody like Ovadja raising the panic to get us to understand how to combat them and the same tools that can be used to create the problem often can be turned against the problem and if nothing else it either turns into an arms race or some kind of equilibrium and that's what Ovadja's he's campaigning for is let's get this to equilibrium right now not enough people are paying attention to the problem and let's get to it before it becomes a huge problem on a world stage which that is what's different is this is much more global than even television or radio were before it hey thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and our facebook group at facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show you know emails old fashion you can rely on that what's in our mail bags Sarah well made me sad that I missed Friday's show because it sounded like a cool discussion about the robonauts back in 2010 David says I was interning at Johnson Space Center and I was on the robonaut 2 program working on the GUI and motion stop system David goes on to say while I was there the robonaut 2 launched the final flight of space shuttle discovery the team had five months to go from a prototype to a flight ready design it was a big accomplishment I still remember sitting in the EMI chamber for three days straight staring at an oscilloscope to test the power supply performance it's unfortunate that the ground was missed the legs were just an idea at that point and then he says with regard to R2's robonaut 2 size it's genderless so you know it's in it it's roughly human size and then he actually sent us a photo of himself standing next to the R2 shaking hands and David says I'm 6'2 so just for reference yeah so he's like just about the same size as the robonaut and that's sitting up on a table in that picture that's cool David thank you for sending that to us and sending us those pictures like I love that we can talk about something like the robonaut and then have somebody's like oh yeah I worked on that right exactly what a cool internship yeah no kidding that's that's really cool thank you David for sending that to us and thank you to Patrick Beja for being with us what's been going on the last week well let's see we just recorded an episode of the Phileas club where I talked to a friend of mine who was in the French Navy for a few years and we discussed life on a warship on a French warship how things go day to day things like that and then he dove into his experiences with the refugee crisis and rescuing some of those refugees and piracy on the high seas and things like that it was I thought a really interesting episode and if you think you might be interested as well just head over to Frenchspin.com and check it out it's the Phileas Club 104 and you can also follow me on twitter I'm not Patrick on twitter the definition of exposing yourself to another perspective is to listen to this I love the Phileas Club I always listen to every one of them this is one where I'm like what am I I know a little bit about navies much and not just about how the French Navy difference from the US Navy or what they do on board that I didn't know but like you said about the refugee crisis in particular that's really compelling story telling from your guest so I highly recommend it folks go check it out hey we need 19 of you people out there because we have 18 fewer patrons than last month right now mostly due to people having tight finances according to the surveys so if you can afford a dollar a month and you get a dollar's worth out of the show every month take a moment right now or when you get back from your run or your drive don't forget though to go help us out at patreon.com slash dtns be one of the magic 19 that helps get us to our goal in February that's patreon.com slash dtns our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com we're live Monday through Friday at 4.30pm Eastern 2130 UTC thanks to everybody who joins us live and find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live back tomorrow with Scott Johnson talk to you then great show what should we call it wonderful program oh it was so good that was a really good conversation good idea Patrick thank you that was a good one thank you yeah I think it was I thought it would be a little bit more heated but it's probably good it wasn't heated like we were going to disagree you know oh my god this guy is falling yeah yeah I didn't go to my normal place that I sort of promised you I might which is but we haven't proved the evidence I didn't is after I went through and read the BuzzFeed article again I realized that's not he's actually pointing out a more real issue then then I think there's still like I don't disagree that the fake news thing is a problem but I hate it because copyright issues do the same thing where people say well we know it's a problem so let's fix it and it's like well wait a minute hold on until we know the extent of the problem and how the problem happened you can't fix it your fix isn't going to necessarily work yeah no I agree I agree that's definitely something to be cognizant of cognizant of but what he's saying is let's be aware of this new thing that is happening and let's understand it more than really you know oh my god this guy is falling let's fix everything now and I think that is important whether I what I think is genius about his approach is he's like folks the sky is falling this is how it's falling it's going to fall on you but actually if we actually all realize that it's falling now that I have your attention maybe we can stop it from falling yeah I think it's a and also you know it's interesting because the way the article is framed and I think the way the his image is framed is oh he knew it was going to happen before it happened but that's really not what what actually happened it was happening around him and he realized it was happening and he was saying this is happening now you know it's a few for the election right it's not like before he predicted it so noise x machina the revolution will be televised but will be ignored as noise who to trust when signals noise sorry to mean interrupt that's not a very good title info swiped away is good swiped away that's nice yeah however I will interrupt and abscond because I think the baby woke up and I don't want you better get going no worries thanks Patrick see you next week cats be nice to your Sarah well they're nice to me they're just yelling at each other the entire show howling so which one do we like noise x machina swiping left on swipe but I like who to trust when signal is noise who to trust when signal is noise that's pretty good which one did you like Sarah swiped away swiped away like swept away get it yeah yeah wasn't that a uh disaster movie yeah with uh gosh what's her name short hair blonde uh oh um where she is um Meg Whitman oh no it's uh has um Madonna oh was it a movie romantic comedy was that when she was with Guy Richie she was yes and it was you know well it was a wikipedia it was a box office bomb well she's not well she did get a globe for playing Eva Perron but a bomb shell is a good thing otherwise I wouldn't call her a uh you know a bomb shell is a good thing but box office bomb is a bad thing correct Roger did you see Black Panther over the weekend I haven't seen I can't see any of those movies because if I go I feel I won't enjoy it because I feel like I need to have I should have brought my wife and she can't come because someone has to look after the kid you know so I probably won't be able to see it till it comes to streaming or well I just get it from Amazon you know considering that everyone loves this movie so much you can always drop Ellie off with me and the cats if you guys want to go see a movie you'd have to come to my part but I'm a pretty good babysitter yeah and you've got the AMC Dine in theaters nearby so yeah alright that's my wife see so we're going with what did we go with swiped away oh yeah swiped away this is what I went with romcom romcom yeah I never saw it romcom that's how the the read-only memory communicates right so canned laughter wait that's not a romcom that's romcan so what do you call it a comedic sitcom oh no that's a situation yeah it's a sitcom it's a situation is there a non sitcom is there an unsituated comedy comedy with no situations yeah that would be something it would be like a comedy a single camera comedy show ish like the muppet show like something like is blackish a single camera no that's totally a sitcom mm-hmm I can't think of anything that's a comedy that isn't a sitcom that isn't yeah like a live show or a stand-up thing like I would point to northern exposure what do they call it a dramedy oh sketch thank you nick with a C that's another example that's true Monty Python, Saturday Night Live that's the only thing I don't like about the Olympics is they stop SNL stop down SNL they did a 5 minute version of the tonight show during the Olympic coverage last night which I was very skeptical about but he actually executed it pretty well he did a pretty beefy monologue that was about half the 5 minutes and then brought out Paul Rudd and they did a hilarious like two word answers to interviews and then sang and then we're done it's all them doing the remake to King of Bushful Thinking by Go West yeah I didn't I still don't understand why they made it but it is hilarious because it's funny I love that song from what's the one pretty woman I had that sound track so I know all the songs is that right King of Bushful Thinking is that from yeah that's a pretty woman yeah because the video has like allusions to pretty woman in it oh okay also must have been loved by Roxette but it's over now remember when they were like the power Swedish pop band were they Swedish yeah go west no Roxette sorry and then it became it was like Europe and Roxette and then in between there was like a bunch of other bands but it kind of settled on the cardigans was it the cardigans cardigans were Swedish I know and then Abba was Swedish that too who else was Swedish King Bluetooth oh no someone named Sven Millie Vanillie was German no there's another big Swedish band who am I thinking of oh I saw the sign oh yeah Ace of Base Ace of Base yeah I remember that because Seraphina and Camilla were drunk and were singing into a hairbrush at one of our revision three parties singing that song Camilla does anybody keep in touch with her anymore where has she landed she moved to Malta because I helped her get a job there because she needed like her old boss to interview or speak on her behalf so I basically was interviewed by two potential bosses she did a bunch of adventure vacation stuff like you know you climb to the top of a mountain with a group or stuff and she announced that she will be expecting in August great I've never been to Malta so I'm like I have been to Malta is collected a couple of the falcons there I actually bought a souvenir Maltese falcon for Eileen there you know I don't really know too much about what it's like I got out into the city one day it was there for a press event for IFA and so most of the time was in a hotel but I did get out into the city for one day and it's very Mediterranean almost Middle Eastern but heavily Catholic it's kind of like I mean it's it's closer to Greek culture than anything else as I understand it's very interesting because they did a mapping of the genes that are most related to people in southern Italy yeah that makes sense so but they're heavily Catholic so it's kind of like Beirut in Lebanon before the civil war started so it's a very beautiful it's very dry as I recall and people were really nice and the food was great did they have water restrictions? I've always wondered that about islands because Hawaii was very strict about where we stay it's like don't flush the toilet too often unless you need to all the rest they're having such a crisis down in Cape Town but apparently the community has been doing their job and so they're backing off this is where we run out of water still gonna run out but looking at the pictures of it it's remarkable how similar California was not even more than a couple of years ago like people were like what are we gonna do? yeah I think Cape Town the longitude is reversed but it's kind of the same distance from the equator? yeah I think that they do share a lot of similarities with our weather and climate or somebody told me that anyway yeah and as in California a lot of the water usage in that region not just the city of Cape Town or the metro area of Cape Town but on the other side of the hill there's agriculture and so there's been how do we make this more efficient? I think there's a pretty big wine business in the outskirts because of the climate South African wine is often from the region and that South African wine I don't remember anything about it though me either it does we're not gonna deny that hey thanks everybody for watching alright and we'll see you tomorrow with Scott Johnson talk to you then