 delegation all but assorted one final game away the Ross Common, but I don't see any way out of this one Of course coming up on the show as I say my old legend John Casey down top on the blood he will be joining us to give us The loo down and what he thought of done it all performance yesterday And of course where he thinks may oh can go this season also on the show earlier today I spoke with the sports editor with iconic media group Frank Craig We wrapped up as I said that the dunnig all game yesterday We talked in depth about where the squad and the management sat and I suppose looked ahead To where we can go in the championship and also myself and Frank discussed What was another tough weekend for dunnig all ladies with the defeat to the dubs? They won last game and if they won that game they can stay up So last chance saloon for Maxie Kearns as I'll be discussed I'll be discussed Look Barrett's Miners as well they beat Kevin at the weekend going very well And of course our hurlers beat Tarone as well in division 2b So all that to come with an interview with as I say Frank Craig Coming up after John Casey. We're all gonna. We're also going to have a special call out to Joe McBurdy Joe's fighting cancer at the minute He's up and doubling there and the killie bags club are running a special charity game from Infanter this week So we're going to promote that game. There's some legends of dunnig all GA going that so it'd be great to catch up with Joe And just see he's getting on as he battles Cancer as I said the minute we wish him all the best Joe of course is coached all over dunnig all Coach the county team and as of course coaching up at St. Peregrine's really well got up there So it'd be nice to to give a shout out and see how he's doing But first up as I say we're going to speak with the one and only John Casey To give us the low down on Line one he's on here Joe is tell me we're going to speak with John now to get his Reaction to that defeat yesterday to his own man Mayo John. How are you seeing them? I? Keepin good Brendan. I don't not sure if I qualify in the legends category, but anyway, I'll take that any day I'm given a compliment Well, listen John you're a legend in my terms anyway because thanks very much. I'll tell you what I see you Around games and that I think you're a brilliant man and analyzing. I love to hear you in the commentary You've you've seen a lot of football this year Which I want to actually ask you about once we get to that point and even before I do and we mentioned yesterday's game John the the buzz around Mayo and a hit to In any way, I suppose look at what's went previous debt, but this meal team This season so far really really look the business and we've seen it many times before John Well where we've kind of maybe over talk them or or where they go on or they look like they're they're contenders But there's something different about this side John just in the build up to this I don't think is it any fear. Let's say of come on the ball buffet this time round well, there's a long-winded answer to that Synopsis Brendan and I suppose you and I sat beside each other when Mayo played Dunigall in the first round of the National League in Markovich Park last year when when Mayo had to concede home advantage when when Mikhail Park wasn't available and Mayo Absolutely robbed a draw off of Dunigall that game. We should have lost Quite easily. We ended up stealing the draw at the bitter end And I remember it's actually been on the podcast with your good self after four rounds of the league last year when Mayo were cruising at three wins and one draw from the first four games and Your your same self was raving about how great our chances were and however We want to be Unstopped and nobody was going coming near us and James Oran was making five changes from match to match And we were still blitzing teams and it wasn't long Brendan before it all came crashing down. So Not been around the last time we lifted Sam McGuire and waiting out all of 72 years Brendan We're far from going to get carried away at this early stage, but To counter that they are playing some fantastic stuff. They're playing really really well And if if I all I would always have a fear going into a big game For Mayo that something is going to go wrong that they're they're not going to Perform against a Dublin or a Kerry or a Galway a name and then three teams because they're the big hitters at the moment Her own you name it but right now I wouldn't have that fear if they were playing any of them tomorrow In a huge game, I said, you know what they'll have a right quack at this and it probably resonates Brendan because Right here at the moment. There seems to be enough an absolutely massive feel good factor There's a really positive vibe and that vibe is is is transforming from from the management To the players and then from the players to the supporters understand And you can feel it at games that everyone is a little bit happier about things And I suppose but the grim reality is we felt like this at a stage last year as well Yeah, and it all came crashing down. We got blitzed in a league final last-to-war old enemies Galway McCulloch championship and you know went out very easily and very tamedly to Kerry in an all-island quarter-finals, so There is that fear there, but at the same time you've got to give massive credit Kevin McStay has come in with it with a high-powered management team And he is so good himself Brendan. I'm sure you've you've known him from the times we do gigs up on core park and around the country He's very media savvy. He knows what point he wants to get across and what I enjoyed I listened to him yesterday and what I enjoyed like he actually told us He wanted to go up and beat on he all in valuable fair yesterday. There was no beaten around the bush He says well, we're not here to lose the game We're going to and and that's something that's very very positive. So things are going well But we all know too well that you know things can come come to a horrible end Especially for most male pros male for their family well Well listen, you say horribly and this now played in the generation where we never got to a final And I always am and listen have been a mini podcast talking about this saying that listen You know, I know players that have that have made a final and talked about it for the next 20 years Just making one so there's one thing I'm not doing is is certainly not criticizing my over everything that they've brought brought to it in the game Just some of the scenes we seen particularly. I think after the Kerry game the pitch and I mean, I mean parties like Oh, that's that's about OTT within your like lesson. What's it all about? You know, it's kids. It's the balls I mean, I'm looking use of scored double what we've scored in in the league Which is a bit scary and I think the way the modern games going and probably what gives you that little tilt of maybe possibility is that the game has become a game about old scoring teams, particularly a crow park Everywhere really but especially a crow park So if you've got that armory and it's one thing which maybe you seemed a bit short of in previous years was where you're going to get Enough scores that somewhere you're looking at now seems to be coming around that their scores coming all over the park You're all over the park I think it was a from memory it was a if we had yesterday and you know And I suppose one way I'd be looking at a Brendan I I'm a devil for looking at who gets picked on the even though I know it's by votes on whatever who gets picked on the GAA team at the week and like Mayo have had Representatives on that every week, which is always a good sign I think we've had the last three players of the week from the last three weekends of the National League and Aiden O'Shea is up for for grabs of that one again But it's here that the point I am making actually is is the long way of making it but Different players are standing up every week Jack Kearney one week German O'Connor O'Shea and Matty Ruan had a first half yesterday in the Hessian scored a goal that any forward would be proud of the going against her own with the Dummy solo and that's probably where Mayo are looking at it and yesterday was the first time I think the management team actually went selected as a matchday program I think one or two with the journalists might have had a little dig at Kevin Max Dago What's the point in buying a program if you're going make and sweep and changes and we haven't a clue what's happening So that's one thing I think Kevin Max Day takes on board He actually listens to people and he he does things the right way if he can so it is a very positive Aspect of the game that the scores are coming from everywhere I mean my own club mate who I've been itching to see on the pitch wasn't getting any game time Paul Towie he came on the last two minutes Yesterday thankfully a no she gave him a lovely assist for for a score and play about like he shot the lights out Brendan in the club championship in Mayo here last year He actually marks Michael McKernan that her own corner back out in Chicago scored 20 points on them And yet he can't get a sniff at the first five rounds of the league for Mayo So we're like oh so that just giving you some idea that things are right We're going well and and our man of the match yesterday a no she goes and be small He seems to have got a new lease of life again. Yes. Yeah, there was a time Brendan He wouldn't even take a shot at gold now He's taken freeze and catching marks and loving it and yet you can see he's paying with a new lease of life and a new Confidence and and you've got you've got then the likes of the likes of Kelly and O'Connor then to come back into the fold as well And and that's one thing Brendan I think you can notice from from the match yesterday and this is no reflection But Mayo went after The forwards especially O'Shea went after Sean Patten and he said I'm going to go after this guy I'm going to tackle them hard and I think that's something apart from I suppose getting a few more scores Then we normally would we've got four of the most aggressive forward tacklers in the modern game Killian O'Connor, Aiden O'Shea, Jordan Flynn and Ryan O'Donnell with them guys get their hands on you They're in the honey trap and there's no coming out and they've done it in more games than that And it's created turnovers Brendan very high up the field which in turn is creating chances to score Yeah, and in June it's a start of the season is particularly, you know You do new management and it looked like a good management but it was a few guys that were around the block of small But you know in terms of Rajford in that and of course you have you know People stepping back in from media as you'll have to at some stage on you know It's common. You can't sit in there on the media fits all the time Says be a better watch but listen the Keeley Keegan retire is actually mulling obviously goes to Australian They're thinking right huge blows to me own them or not sales losing some of our top men I mean the Keegan, you know is make a Murphy's in Mayo, of course But listen as I say there's there is this buzz around you And I know you were back a lot earlier than us and I keep there's loads of reasons So my this has been such a tough season for Donnie go all because of injuries and a few players actually not Committing to the team and the man you were coming in late. Listen, I know use it so people tell me eight or nine challenge games played Before the league game you look like a teams moving at a different level. I mean what what did you make of donnie go? Yesterday it was if we were hanging in there for a while, but the power that Mayo has was on a bit of another level There's it was you know people talk about challenge games It was easy, you know It was worry and Brendan from a donnie go all point perspectives. There's no beating around the bush about it Um Lots of aspects. I mean I was at the the first round of the league the carry the carry in donnie gole when Donnie gole be carried by by a point open valuable fan I think that created a very false sense of I won't call it hype But a false sense of hope maybe a false sense of security that yeah, we're fine here. It was all documented up there I think we remember at the time saying how many players Kerry were missing at the time that there were way back But donnie gole let's give credit for missing a whole pile of players the same day themselves So it just gave a false sense of hope I suppose But there was very very worrying passages of play from a donnie gole perspective yesterday The ease of which Mayo players broke down the middle Brendan for scores was I mean Tommy Conroy Soloed the ball right through the heart of the donnie gole defense three four occasions. Nobody laid a glove on them Ryan or don't know who for the goal Nobody came to meet him to take attack of Jordan Flynn burst through the middle on another occasion Absolutely, nobody went near him again. Oh don't know who set up the rhino don't know for a point I think in the 56 minutes or thereabouts right down the middle No, donnie gole player laid a hand on them and that's not the donnie gole Like I just keep thinking to myself if there was any of the McGee's in the vicinity that they would have nearly gone on and just stopped somebody with an all-merciful shoulder or something but The thing that there was two kind of rucks in the matches Yesterday bring them with the ball when glue some went on the ground And that's when you know whether a team is up for the fight or not And there was one particular a 29 minute ruck down and the right hand side and the stand Donnie gole attacking and Ryan or don't know who there was a couple of attempts by donnie gole players to go Down and come up with the ball and Ryan or don't know who was the one that wanted it most and came up with it Yes, and that kind of shows you what you're dealing with and then another occasion a no shade I was I think it's a no shades point actually he got ticked the ball in along the sideline. He mishandled it. I Think it was Brendan McCall an own bond that we're in the vicinity the ball went loose on the ground A no share still came up with it rounded his man and kicked a point and yeah That just doesn't happen to the donnie gole. We've known about for that worried me most about that John is because it was a do or die game for us if we were sitting right on six points And we were we were down in and mckayle park or wherever, you know out of thought Maybe we just had an off day But the fact that we were backs the wall and we still played the cat that was very scary looking looking in the future That said John can only be thing I can say is you know, it's gonna be we've got a league final coming up We've got the conic championship straight after it. We're into the group stages then then we've got quarter semis It's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of football I do have you should only be fear that may was maybe a wee bit ahead of the game in terms of keeping that You know keeping that balls up Look like a team now you would probably like to be at least in the group stages of the championship where they're playing at the minute, you know Yeah, and you know as much as people to say about about conduct not being competitive You've rust common and Galway both sitting I think second and third or fourth and end of our fourth second and fourth in division one None of them games are a given the Rossies are going to be waiting They're probably happily glad that we're that we're going to be in the league final the week before out from playing them But come back to the money gall thing Brendan as well It's something that I suppose needs to be remembered as well Paddy Carr was very late getting into the job Mayo you mentioned that they're male or two months I think ahead Kevin next day had been appointed was very late being appointed into the job So I know patience is not as not for for what people want to hear But and the positive if I'm not mistaken, I think they have a month from into league. Am I right saying that? Yes, the first round of the championship against down so that that buys them a little bit of time Like back in our day, which was seems like so long ago. You were given ample time It was nearly like two completely different seasons finish in your league when into your championship It's not that case now But don't you all have that little added incentive that I think it's down and then pork ester on The all around the 20 something to 27th or something of April. So it gives them a little bit of time to train regroup It's not going to be the easiest easiest Regrouping in the world and there'd be a lot of hard questions asked But that is something that I kind of was feeling a little bit Sorry for don't you go that they are missing so many players as well There's a lot of long-term injuries couple fellas fail into commission, you know But then again the one that you keep mentioning I'm sure it's been mentioned several times as they look a bit leaderless without Michael Murphy Yeah, yeah, I think John they have to and you've played in teams that have gone bad for a while I think they have to you know, maybe listen, they're down to two You know, they got a regroup and and I suppose get a better identity around themselves And you're going to get leaders and players, you know that are coming through It's a very young squad by and large So it's going to be a new squad he said management and that coming in late None of it helped listen. Hopefully down are looking that video against yourselves. That's the best thing they could watch I think pre pre championship and We'll certainly be a lot better now that I know that we'll get it together better now So just when we go last question just looking ahead did all that and where do you see the pecking order then? Is it still a matter of taking taking the carry man down? I'm sure you wouldn't free them at this point, you know, the dubs Your own talk Yeah, I'm always like I know I keep on up I keep saying it whenever I'm on on the airways But I'm waiting to see Dublin with with with all their players back with Jack McAfrey back And all these guys back and told just to see what they really like There is a couple of new Dublin fellas But I think Kerry no more than Doney Gall struggling to replace Mike and Murphy Brendan I think Kerry are struggling to replace David Moore in the middle of the field. Yes, and I just think his physical presence like he's a giant of the game and has been for the last 10 years as Murphy was and You mentioned that they're earlier male Somebody said I wonder how Lee Keegan and nothing mulling or feeling right now with Mayo gone so well And I thought that's a very good question actually because you know, they're nearly not being missed although you'd both love to have them both But yeah For me it I still think Dublin are the number one contenders and then followed closely by Kerry Galway Maybe our says and then to rule and so look at it. It's hard to call it, but it's I always fear the dubs I don't know why you think it's it's because of the the beatings down the ears that we always expect to see them But I certainly think that if Mayo can try to continue Kevin next day mentioned it there This is what we were all wondering Brendan down here for the last three weeks is our male going to bow out now But he's made it loud and clear winning is a habit winning is momentum Momentum is good. It makes you feel good. Let's keep going for it And I'm sure that they have talked about the burnout factor and and but it doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon But then again, it's only the what is it the 20th of March? So there's a long way to go Yeah, but let's not forget the All-Ireland is early this year, too That's it. It'll be it's just a suppose a thick and fast season, but it's not going to be drawn out Certainly, yeah, you never know. Maybe a meal go away final or something to get John. Listen that Thanks, that would be great John listen, thanks a bunch for wrapping up as ever John Casey always a legend in my eyes. Let me tell you Cheers Brendan talk to all of us talk to you later John Casey there round it up top man indeed This nap to a break. We're gonna speak as I say with Joe McBurdy. 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There's there's a special game infantry for you next weekend There's also a Twitter paid set up set up cycle run row for Joe It's on Twitter there Joe the the home club in Kelly bags wanted to do something for you as you as you fought an illness there and Dublin currently Yeah, that's correct Britain Appreciate it you for making contact with me there just seeming. Yeah, the club and obviously to me home from Kelly bags I'm very grateful for what they've done over the last couple of weeks to organize. That's really means a lot to me And obviously with the caliber players that are going to be 10 on Saturday No, it really is really give me a boost as well over the last couple of weeks As you know me adopt the club here in Dublin Perkins ran an event to which was greatly reported and I have to be very grateful for them Both the players and management and the executive of the club because they've been there starting support over the last number weeks Yeah, I talked to some of the Perkins people when I've been up in Dublin Joe They've made a time for you have you been coaching at all ages there and setting up on the rage camps And I know you've coached and done it go there Somebody said you've coached Colquillar Glen column killing Kelly bags. They didn't know anybody else who'd done that Of course the pinnacle of coaching is the coach your country. You've done that as well I was there when you coached on a goal Joe show you've had a Phenomenal of time in GA up to that and it's nice for people to to respond now at this time in need Yeah, naturally and as I said, you know earlier on today You know, it's obviously the community number one that's when you need the most will always be there no matter Like obviously we've all fall like with people in other clubs and so on at games and but the support I've got from the general GA world and done it all and over the call of Ireland as such But I just can't thank everyone enough because the support I've got since just after Christmas has been immense And it's really it's really what's drove me on to try and fight this illness more than anything Yeah, you get the dreaded diagnosis after Christmas Joe and you're you're just in treatment there now you open What hospital Ian In moment I actually got I actually got word on the 23rd of December We did leave first of all that you know So can I put a dampener on no Christmas, you know, especially for my partner more in the Sunfaker like it hasn't been easy for them The class number a week, you know, but it wasn't what what I expected to be here But the support from everyone naturally number one Give me the drive and you know, I said it wouldn't hide it Everyone because I could either just close the door and said nothing and let it get the better me But I said no, I'm gonna be angry meet us head on and the support from the wider community Etc has given me that strength. Yeah, listen, and I've met young feaker along with you It's crow parking that and it was ringing you tonight mean you be texting You know the two years was on the playstation there playing about a FIFA and what have you Joe and listen You're a hundred percent, right? You're a great fellow and listen the games down as a legends game I didn't get to shout myself as I'm not I don't fit the legends category. I get I get that I would have did water man or something for you No, I'm sure if you're available There's a big spot for you, right? I was an answer. I was in that world diversity units colleagues I couldn't get the team of Patty Tony stuck being that so maybe there be something. Yeah Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it on Saturday, but my family to there to represent me obviously You know, I know the lads are trying to organize Getting lads on but I'm sure if you arrived with your picture for this spot for you dust them off It's been a while. I don't know if I tell you But Joe listen Not too bad listening to some good coaches early me tell you Joe listen Just behalf everybody here in Dottie call listening coach that many us and that many of us know you've made a big impact and Dublin So listen, we want to wish you all the best in that game and and and your fight there as time goes on as well. We're all behind you Jerry Brown, I really appreciate it. And thank you for contact me. No problem. Joe take care Yeah, all the best. Oh, that's what take care Jadison. I Joe Joe my birthday there listening watching them all the best a great guy indeed Listen to say earlier in the day Frank Craig of the iconic Sports media group sports editor he is with them now or Frank He gave me a wee interview around dirty gall and we wrapped up the rest of the sport of the weekend I say Frank was busy tonight coaching So I had to catch him up catch up with him by zoom and here's his interview Right Frank welcome to the DL debate. How are you this evening? I'm not too Bob Brent in yourself This afternoon is the case maybe Pre-recorded pre-recorded pre-recorded anything to get you on Frank. I know you're a busy man coaching on their age and all that you're passing on That skills and that knowledge and know how to the next generation Yeah, it's trying to give a hand it gets you out of the house bread as an excuse and a reason to get out of the house in The evening. I enjoy it. Enjoy a soda. Yeah for a play listen, Frank Give it a straight, you know as a man. I mean, we're all I suppose seasoned dirty gall fans here Where are we at? Relegated in this bonus think I suppose rightly so that the league table doesn't make good reading neither There's any of the columns in it around scoring in defense Are we are we at Frank? Are we in a bit of a time where we're taking on water and it's going to be a while before it stops Yeah, definitely Don't you go to a really low ebb at the minute you're kind of looking at Brenton and aside That's very lacking in confidence right now for the simple fact that we suffered You know these losses in the league that you know, we're as good as relegated heading to Roscommon I mean, we're going down regardless. They're really what happens there And you kind of just have to step back and kind of examine it on its own merits I know listen, we've talked so much about the big dark cloud is kind of hanging over done a goal on a number of levels It got an error in a game last night on the Sunday game that that Academy row But it's the players and that only all management that I kind of feel sorry for because party car was kind of pressed afterwards On whether it was having an effect and you could see him trying to choose his words very very carefully Regardless what those people say Brenton it definitely has to cast a bit of a shadow on that there and And the players like they stayed about after that game Yes, they sign an autographs and and get photos I think they're a young foremasters team in the dressing room. It's very hard to be critical of them I just think at the moment looking at that game, you know, cold in Calculate yesterday I think it's very obviously there seems to be a real lack of a game plan there, Brenton I think the players are probably a reflection of that there like these aren't bad players I just think you know the management came in late, you know the way they came into You know the job was pretty rushed the selection process kind of got a narrowing two weeks ago Jim McGinnis appeared on a podcast they kind of almost sounded like every other Avenue was tried People said no unless and we had to go with party car and a rock and and that's very very unfair on those individuals as well so They're well behind and what they're trying to do with this here side And I think you can see when those bases aren't covered early doors The slide can be quite quick and the same can be said of when Organization is in place. I mean look at Rory Galler and Derry. You look how Jim came on board late 2010 It can be changed around. I don't think we've become a bad team overnight Obviously Michael Murphy stepped away part of my priority injured Ryan McHugh obviously absent through injury as well And they're big blows But there's plenty of talent in that side and I don't think what they've shown in this league campaign is a real reflection Of where we're at. We're better than this Brenton definitely Yeah, and I get your point about probably when Jim command the quick turn around that but there was a nucleus there Frank You know that was able to compete that approved that a few seasons previous You know, I'm looking at if we're for cold later today the nucleus of this team doesn't seem to be there at the minute I think without what we leave the benefit on the hindsight Brenton look on back now But you have to remember that that famous story about Dunigal and they reached news What there were 22 or 23 out of 32 I mean Dunigal wouldn't be there right now. So that's how I think it was I think it was 17 18 I don't think that was that fair Frank. Yeah, I know what you mean. That's a sounds better. You're sensationalized. Yes, right I get your point. We had fallen off the mark But what I mean is that that team the nucleus that team had competed a few seasons previous They just had a couple of bad seasons particularly in championship and that where they aren't weren't really at it But you still knew that man for man. There's a nucleus there I'm just wondering now if if let's say for devil's I get the same again. It's was to come on next. What's Rory? Let's say Rory Kevin and Kelly see have they got enough of that type of player and they're denoted him That's gonna jump to that level for example Well, when you're looking for a nucleus, you're probably talking about lads that have been there in Donna But I mean don't it all is last all-air in a final at 2014 that that's what success nine what nine years ago now So you're looking at what's come in between that there and kind of has some traction on the you know from Sean Patton through to Ohm bang gala Ryan McHugh, you know part of my breezy. He's injured Michael Lang and you know even Jason McGee coming in there now Like like there is experience there like I don't care. Everybody says pattern Morgan There's quality and there's lads with you know, three or four five years under the belt this this thing about transition and an experience I don't completely buy into that because I mean last year we lost and also final I think that maybe on another day we could have won yet Obviously the reason we've mentioned since Michael Paddy and Ryan not been there for very different reasons like that That will be a blow on address room like Neil McGee maybe on the pitch was a spent force at that stage But that's a very big voice behind address or indoor that still would have let a group of players on Sunday No, and no uncertain terms Brent and that that just wasn't good enough And maybe the point you're making maybe there's waiting that that there isn't those two or three lads that I don't even know if you make them like that there anymore that that you know Maybe round round address from up close the door and this out a few home truths lads are built a different way now And you just you have to move the times I still think that likes a humic fad and Ryan McHugh and that are probably still having their say in that Their address room. I just think at the minute players Modern players aren't mugs and I think if you're going into battle Or you're gonna go to a football pitch without maybe a very identical Identifiable game plan you will be fine out Kevin McStay is a very intelligent fellow He's got my old really in sync, but we could see what my old were doing Yes, there was no secret about how you know, they said about their business You couldn't see that there and don't I go all Britain it seemed you know I think we competed up until maybe you know the midpoint of the first half four points each and then you know Blink of an eye it's half time and we're 11 6 down I think what got us the four points each is just maybe a bit of off the coughness and hoping for the best And maybe we all just settled in the game for whatever reason again I'm trying not to be critical of the management team because They've been dealt, you know a bad hand anyway from the very beginning I just think there was no obvious game plan there and when that's the case in modern football No matter how good or how talented your players are aren't they're gonna be found out. Yeah, and I guess and that This is my respect the boys is what you're saying and what they're doing Yeah That's the point in a lot of you know I'm out there to manage on and off the pitch you have to kind of look for a balance Yeah And I think yeah You kind of have to go back to the start Brent really maybe the start of the first bit of negativity Which kind of was that drawn out managerial process and people kind of forget now Like there wasn't a great endorsement of the new management team the night They're even unveiled like they were given a two-year deal, but with a review after one I thought that was terrible and it was something that like why even state that there Yeah, privately tell the guys is there for two years and like and like any management team I think there's always an annual review anyways like It's gonna be very hard to pull the nose up on this here now Brent because we've had such a bad league campaign We've won we know we've won game left to go rush comedy Probably just want that out of the way and then get stuck into real championship work And I think like to be in the work and party car and party Bradley will probably be grateful for that respect because even though There's a condensed season. I think don't they go all kind of but unique in a sense They still have maybe four or five weeks. Maybe to that they're gaming down So they have time now to really get to work. It's it's been it Like a disastrous league campaign to be fair because of the new management team They probably needed to hit the ground running but like I said like for those guys like party Bradley party car They're brilliant the answer the phone and just they're very personal people and I hope for their sake that they can prove Everybody wrong and maybe get this here right going forward now but again because It's very hard to pull the handbrake on this here now when there's so much negative they out there for a variety of reasons I mean things are a little way, but it's making national headlines now every other day You wonder what's left to come out of the woodwork again and again I'm only chatting about this because the Academy obviously is still a backdrop to all this here Like what's next on that there front and I think for the players They're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place But Frank though just just look at ahead now like if you look at different teams obviously our ma in this last Like eight or nine years have gone down to three Derry have gone down to four They're now sitting up there in a pinnacle of two teams that could have an all-erland tint So till so this thing have done a go maybe take like a gun down You've a bunch of new players and what I'm trying to get up at the core of the team I suppose in that Frank is maybe sometimes things have to get a little tough It's where you have to go down before certain players Take take control of the team or become the kind of leaders in that so many ways maybe go down to two It isn't then the world in terms of this team Maybe find in their own identity for want of a better phrase and coming back up as a more I suppose tougher opponent in what we've seen in the league so far You're probably able to put a bit of you know context on that there only after seeing how we get on maybe in championship Britain And you know maybe a good championship run and I know this new format You know even outside also the all-erland series, you know if it gets that stage for we're done I go I'll find a significant improvement between now and go on to Park Eslur Yeah, listen division two wouldn't be the worst thing in the world But maybe staring into a division two campaign next year off the back of a disaster summer They're two very different things and again like it goes back to that original point I made you know where where they lumped Paddy Karen did in our work with this one-year review You know you need to keep that there in mind as well. So like there's gonna be choppy waters ahead I think but for the lads in charge and for the team I hope that they can get the show back on their own championship I mean, I don't think we're expecting you know provincial one But they'll obviously be that their new system in terms of that I think it's like the best we describe as Chamois League kind of format in the all-erland series The landscape and Ulster looks I mean it looks treacherous I mean Dunigal Monhan and her own have probably been to the fore obviously over the last decade But now you see our mad dairy and the end even down starting again It's gonna be harder than ever really Britain to To get back to you know the top of them out in there a lot of uncertainty just going forward But again, everyone would feel a lot better of things improved In summer and championship, but I don't know how you find that improvement Britain and again I don't want to sound why negative just on the evidence of what we've seen so far It's very hard to be positive on it. Just do that's bluntly honest, you know Yeah, and listen, I suppose in the games, this was a do or die game at Mayo as we know They had like eight or nine challenge games before they even started They were back training for weeks before we even in our management team together They are moving at a different level just was a bit scary just to close off this league How far ahead they were now they have blitzed other teams and they have looked on real But the gap between us and them Frank yesterday was massive Yeah, you're not going to say it's maybe Was I suppose aspirate two very different sport levels of aspirations like you say Mayo Will have huge designs on an all-erland title under Kevin next day They've a very difficult opener and cornered against Ross common. Obviously Ross common have lifted their I suppose levels this year in division one They've been been a revelation. We probably expected to be going to Ross common next week Well, so much on the line for both sides at the start of this campaign. That's not the way it's transpired But yeah, you can see the difference in levels Brent But maybe not just levels inside the patch in terms of experience, you know Like there's still a core group of very experienced players there in Mayo But as you say that extra time working, you know, that extra know how like Kevin Macias assured lad I think they look like a side that's moving pretty well They probably realize as well, you know, the likes of Aiden O'Shea and these guys that the windows kind of closing on them as well late 20s early 30s It's gonna be a big summer for them And even outside also just from a new job perspective We're very interested in all iron in series because even the likes dairy will probably view themselves as contenders Kerry Won't go away. They're champions Dublin are coming again. Yeah, let's listen. It's gonna be a brilliant championship I think this summer it just be interesting to gain how that all works under this kind of news sort of Champions League style system How that they'll have an impact on it, but certainly in terms of contenders You've probably more fingers up this year than you might have had maybe over the last five or six years And that's healthy because that Dublin dominance for a while left us all a wee bit disillusion But it's gonna even out across the board again and for province if they're gonna represent it in that conversation as well Which I think is always good Just last question Listen, you mentioned the management already and it's been tough on them and I suppose how they've been treated since they've come in There's been so many setbacks around players retiring injuries, you know players stepping away It's been a real a minefield for them, but Frank. There's only probably I mean, I'll take your word in this There's only one way I think don't like all can approach this and we need to almost replicate a dairy And you know what kills me to say that But unless we protect our defense and this in the team Kenny attacks is one It is only tactic for a team that don't like all it's vulnerable now And I say that Frank with due respect to our defense because our defense have been manfully doing the best They've been under the cost more. It's a forward line that they haven't been able to deliver So we really need to cut the scores down completely because we're not able to score enough and that would always been the thing I was least worried about it's not a thing. I'm most worried about so really Frank from the from the from the two Two parries and Aiden we got to find a way of playing that type of system right as much as it kills me to say it It's our only real tactic on the you know We had that provincial groups whatever about all star and we're playing no top teams who want to try and take us apart We got a sit and it seems to be me our only game plan good into summer Well, that's a wild disappointing thing because I mean their pitch coming in was about changing You know the style of Donegal football and I'm trying to do that division one was always going to be hard And are we trying to do that under the circumstances? Maybe they found themselves in the job. Yeah, that's another thing entirely Yeah, really disappointing to look at how we're so vulnerable now in defense Which is you say maybe was a concern over Declan boners period as well You know when things started to go belly up inside the province and now all of a sudden What was Michael gone Patrick injured Ryan not around there pulling the strings all of a sudden we looked you know Toothless and attack as well So the issue there is is maybe reverting to type as you say which we didn't want to do Which is maybe trying to consolidate and getting men behind the ball And I mean I wouldn't I certainly wouldn't be one to criticize of that's what they end up doing But yeah, maybe start with Ross common next week Get that out of the way and get a game plan locked down for summer and going to down But as you say it might have to be a cautious one and safety first Which is it's funny to be saying and funny to hear you endorsing Like you're managing all that nobody Frank listen I just want to put that to one side just at the weekend. There was two defeats and two victories Of course our ladies lost with our men our miners and our horrors won just first a bit the miners Frank they're they're coming through and showing up. Well Look Barrett's side there again with another victory and I suppose if we're looking to the future We seem to have a good under eight side coming through. I Listen the miners cabin at the weekend. I think there's four or five points in it one thirteen to one nine I think they finished up with slaggo Brent in that group section, but they've already qualified for the Jim McGuigan cup to rolling from Anna already beaten to own look bar, you know tell you himself They kind of used us here competition very much to look at maybe their second French players But I like look Barton. I like what he's trying to do and again, you know, no different than maybe Leo McClune and under 20 set up I hope they aren't collateral damage in all this kind of Academy row as well because they're in here for this season now because their seasons already started Like I hope we don't get to the end of them whenever that is and those last drop off as well because I thought there was an interesting line of succession there I thought maybe look, you know in time would maybe progress up to under 20 You might see the likes of maybe an Emma McGee and a Leo McClune and even a Colin McFadden Maybe Dipper toes and the senior set up like there's loads of things kind of at play there now But in terms of look bar at you doing a really good job there Like fingers crossed as well that they're kind of progresses There's not much on the line now at the weekend in their final game against slaggo But I'm sure they'll be fit You know, they'll be hoping to finish the round robin with a one and then they're looking forward to that there Jim McGee and cup final yeah, and Frank another team obviously that was used to competing at the top and not to say They won't the championship but don't he got ladies only one gun down He still have a chance on on the last day But again heavy to feed the Dublin to 13 to 6 and I know they've been there's experienced prayers You come back in that Frank, but we've really found the going tough this season and again You don't you don't like that work? I suppose the under change or the the changing of squads in that but certainly things like done ago Maybe he's on that we transition period at the moment. I listen they're probably the one side They can make peace with the results because there has been such a change over in personnel from the side They've got to a league final last year and got to an all-iron semi-final probably felt the left again behind them against eventual winners Meath The funny thing is like regardless of losing all their games so far Meal Go actually done done. I got a huge favor on Sunday beat me also It comes down to don't I go on male next weekend of maxi's side actually get the one Against me all they stay in the top division, but the bigger picture I suppose from maxi and that they're looking at the transition Yeah, there's six or seven girls that are absent from last year with the real big quick question And they're kind of calling us as who exactly is coming back into the mix I know need McLaughlin's come back into the mix and see Katie Harris come back into the mix I see Karen Guthrie in the round the vicinity of it all obviously probably etching to get back But still question marks over two or three other girls there So I think that they're I think the force that don't they go all where in the last three or four years and maybe the ambitions They had in terms of maybe you know that holy grail of an all-iron that might just be out of reaching out But I think get two or three or four of those other girls that we've talked about back into the equation They're still you know, there's still be a force with an Ulster and listen all would do well that ended that ends well If they can get the one over may own stay in the division because you look at you know They're doing all men's plight with three points and no chance whatsoever There's a mathematical equation there that you can dig out that they can't stay up But listen for all intents and purposes gone like maxi current and don't like all ladies know they be male at home to My own and Donald Park they stay up. So yeah, you know like hopefully they can do it See the Irish news is it relegated beside us already Frank. I think they've decided as far as we just finished up in the horrors You bounce back from a tough defeat of Wichita last week They're heading for the semi-final a semi-final, of course that I don't think they're Too worried. I think Wichita when me to the two sides that want to go back up on the and the division to a But certainly Mickey McCann side again over the good factory just a one point one eighty one seventeen They're having that semi-final and I suppose a strange mindset over the hammer and they took off Wichita last week That they're playing them again, of course what though are in the Nikki record So, you know how much you think Mickey will show his hand in this semi-final and I suppose does he want to show the Wichita listen we can match him with you if we need to or does he hold back and then go for them in the Championship shoot, you know later on in the in the championship kicks in That's kind of interesting like it was such a superb performance against Wichita the week before and I probably Mad Mickey he probably could have accepted the feet But maybe the manner on which he came about probably 8 Tom we sent Tom Comac along to that there and Sunday because there was an overlap What's it only go my old game, but even Tom speculated his report, you know Of either side really wanted to want it And I suppose an instinct probably kicked on near the end there and don't I go just good over the line but There's probably value in it for Mickey Brent in the sense that there was a response from the week before They did it without I think Declan Calter, Danny Cullen, Gavin Brown, Steven Gillespie, maybe one or two others were missing So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they approach this here game now We talk about that they're like pride like it was dense at the week before but I don't even know You know those lads we've just mentioned that are missing He's not going to risk them in this kind of game either. So they'll be short again the next day And as you say Wicklow are a quality side And Mickey will probably return on one eye towards you say Nicky record and away But probably the value in it was that they bounced back and they'll get another game now To maybe look at a few other players not there as well if you're part of a squad And you want minutes like you'll get the opportunity there But I think Mickey's probably looking at the bigger picture of the Nicky record He is indeed. Thanks very much for that Frank Craig a great wrap up there Just on the previous interview with Joe McBurdy. That's of course this Saturday 25th of March at Amonburn Park 3 p.m Is that play for Joe? We're coming after coming up after break We're going to hear from a team on the up and up and their manager We're regular The DL debate with sister Sarah's letter Kenny serving food you'll love till 9 p.m. Daily in Sarah's kitchen And there's free admission entertainment every weekend Hello, thanks for waiting. 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Um, exactly what you would have wanted to start here Ah, yeah, absolutely what I like to uh, it's to get promoted and you try to win every game and when you win 600 Oh, we're just delighted because obviously last year winning five and drawing one wasn't enough So it's great reward to the players for the way they stuck at it in the way that took the I suppose the impact of ducking up last year on the chin and responded well The x week after doubling was it important to get the thing regrouped again or not? That doesn't make any difference whether you're playing the next week or two weeks or three weeks Just to train and get your head around and prepare and be ready to play and we were And finally how important was it to get the job done before court? I think it's just very important to get it done, you know, we're playing player at home So we are um, you know, we want to win at home It was ultimately then against Galway didn't show up last year Just a part to take control of the game today, and I thought we did it and we won Unbelievably comfortably, you know, and you talked a bit playing against the big teams a final in crook park Is something I'm sure you'll want your players to Be revved up for you. Absolutely luck ultimately from now. Well all along it's the 15th of April You're playing from Anna in the championship But ultimately you use all these games as preparation and you obviously want Yes, indeed we're a gather on the way up and up listen I want to thank everybody who contributed to the show this evening. 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