 Exonerations, but new year's resolutions in me. Yeah, like 10 80p. That's mine My resolution is to Yeah, I don't know my resolution is I think it's to paint my house because it really needs to be Minus 1080p Yeah, it's good. Let's do resolution. I mean maybe next year. I'll stretch to 4k but for this year Yeah, yeah, what's your new year's refresh rate? Sorry about that had a little Mac mini do its thing on me Fluffles well, that's annoying very much Everything seems okay now that this Mac mini. I've been complaining about it long enough. I think I know what I have to do That's the 1872 Mac mini, right? Yeah. Yeah, and it served me. Well, it just you know, it was only a matter of time I mean it got you through the turn of the century World War one World War two So many wars really No, it's it's uh, it's the last Mac mini before the M ones in fact Curiously close to them Yeah, I needed a new one, it's whatever, you know timing is timing Do you need a sound check from me or is this game? Yes? Yeah Telegram release version 10.5.0 of Mars telegram says we now own Mars. Isn't that weird, but we did it Copyrights a real mystery on Mars on Mars Especially if Mars is also copy I'm wondering what the New Year's like on Mars. Oh wait the Martian New Year hasn't begun Yeah Because it's All morning and now it's Stupid office Six hundred and eighty-seven days Yeah, oh Yeah, I think I knew this from when does it start? That delightful Martian So so every 1.88 earth years is one Martian I'm gonna have to pick a studio name. I'm running out of clever ideas And clever is a real stretch. You'll you'll you'll know you'll know when it's the right I know I mean it could go back to studio feline But that made more sense when I didn't have a dog, too You know two cats and no dog. What about studio dog? What about a studio pause? Oh? Yeah, that's fun. I mean if you understand that it's not you know hitting the party seconds studio paw prints Studio cuteness Oh petco studio Yeah, not unless they pay me Let's get a sponsorship deal. Let's do it. Yeah I mean, I wouldn't say no. Oh, it doesn't matter. I wouldn't say no Petco if you're listening Good new year internet good new year internet good new year internet Hello internet and good new year. Indeed. Uh, this is this is our 10th birthday Daily happy birthday to us. It's actually not good day. Internet's 10th birthday. Now that I think about it I should save it Uh, welcome back everybody. It's so good to to to be back in the old saddle as they say. Yeah, it is I'm uh, I am I'm optimistic about tech news Good We'll talk later. All right, um, let's get going then. Here we go in three two Daily tech news show is made possible by you the listener. Thanks to all of you including Howard Yermish John Atwood pat and our new patrons jury file Mohammed scott karsten jerald bryan david Notleet luke justin and isek On this episode of dts mickey mouse heads into the public domain china's selling more evs But the u.s. Is not nika monford helps us understand why plus why apple didn't release a new ipad this year This is the daily tech news for tuesday january 2nd 24 in los angeles. I'm tom there and dancing at studio 54. I'm sarah lane From the atlanta area. I'm nika mottford And I'm the show's producer roger jane now all last year we started the show by saying it was our 10th year And now that's done. We're 10 years old. Yeah We're in fourth grade. We're a 10-ager. Yeah A tween a tween we are five dts is officially a tween. Yeah Uh, thank you to everybody who has supported us throughout the whole year. I'm sorry. We don't have like a bigger Celebration deal or or or whatever going on, but uh, we we seriously appreciate you and we're gonna do what we do best Uh starting with the quick hits Telegram released version 10.5.0 with a redesigned look for voice and video calls Including new animations and backgrounds that update based on call status Telegram also says it should use less power and save your battery life as a result and for android fans The power efficient Thanos snap visual effect is coming that turns deleted messages to dust Finally bots can now react to messages and work with quoted messages and also send replies Does it Does it it doesn't work like that Lg has a bit of a tradition of announcing lots of stuff in december Ahead of showing it off and giving a few more details at ces in january So here's a rundown of some of the things that announced over the last week or so The duke box rhymes with juke box It's a smart speaker with Vacuum tubes and you can see the tubes through an adjustable transparent OLED display There's also the my view series of 32 inch 4k monitors those run web os So not only can they be a smart tv they can also run google workspace in microsoft 365 Those will run between 500 and 600 dollars the cinnabee cube spelled with a q q u b e is a 4k projector with a handle Makes it look like a coffee grinder New lg gram laptops will include intel's ultra chips for on device ai processing and finally An unnamed two-legged wheeled robot similar to amazon's astro that lg says can act as a home monitor Apps like ebay and arabian b that allow private citizens to earn money within the app will now be reporting those earnings to tax Authorities based on a new agreement from the 38 members of the organization for economic cooperation and development or oecd The oecd includes europe the us the uk israel japan korea and more The amount of tax you might need to pay on this income will vary by country Counterpoint released its estimates on premium smartphone sales in 2023. It defines premium if you're like, what does that mean? As a wholesale value of 600 dollars or more that equates to a retail price of 800 bucks or more The projected premium total smartphone market rose globally bucking the trend Six points to 24 record sales of premium phones in 2023 Much of the growth in 2023 was driven by china Western europe india and middle eastern africa regions with india being the fastest growing premium market globally apple dropped four points in the premium market But still is dominant with 71 market share followed by samsung with 17 percent and huawei resurgent with five percent camera makers news organizations and technology companies are looking to differentiate their images from those generated by that pesky artificial intelligence creating a free web tool called verify Which checks for authenticity of images and is being adopted by nikon canon and sony So if an image has a verified digital signature The tool will display the date the location and other credentials for that image camera manufacturers are updating firmware on professional cameras to support verify this year And canon has a new camera in development coming next year that will also support verify directly All right, let's get to the big news then All right, everybody mickey mouse now in the public domain in the u.s You likely saw or even heard of some headlines about this and some people are a little confused What does this mean since copyright is a big part of all of our modern rights online? Let's go over what this does and doesn't mean tom. Okay, sarah uh First a bit of history u.s copyright law Used to be 28 years you get something protected for 28 years until 1976 when they started extending it And it got extended twice to end up being 95 years or the life of the author plus 70 years Whichever one is shorter It's more complicated for sound recordings So you may see that some recordings that are 100 years old are going into the public domain But for non sound recordings that includes film They go in after 95 years. Okay. So back to steamboat willy The mickey mouse in the film is now public domain. That means there is no copyright protection for it Anybody can use it. It does not mean mickey mouse itself is public domain It gets a little complicated and a lot of it would be up to how a judge would decide it if it went to court But essentially you can do anything you want with the film steamboat willy You can recut it remix it etc etc And you can derive things from it as long as what you derive is not from other copyrighted works You also have to keep in mind that mickey mouse is a trademark not just a copyright So you can copy steamboat willy, but you can't make him your logo and say this is my company logo That's trademarked to disney So you can't go using the name in any way that would make people think what you made is from disney But nikki you were you were saying it took you a minute to kind of wrap your mind around the fact that like steamboat willy is Just public nobody nobody can get the copyright on it anymore Yeah, so when this first kind of came out in the news and everyone was talking about it I initially thought oh my gosh anybody can Use or buy the rights to mickey mouse and i'm like how did disney let that happen? But I now realize It's because of us copyright law and it does make it a little bit If you don't know the nuance if you haven't read a little bit further You would think like I did off the top that oh this means that it's it's free game for for anybody to to use or to Own and so it it's it really is kind of complicated Once you look into the to the details around it, but I was absolutely initially Concerned that oh wow anybody can do anything with the imagery of mickey mouse and disney not be able to do anything about it I mean, okay, this this is Maybe a stupid question, but I bet a lot of other people have it Okay, mickey mouse is in the film steamboat willy mickey mouse Exists in many many other places outside of that film Can you only remix the film? Yeah So, okay, so then How are we seeing because a couple of the uh headlines that I was seeing are are examples like for example The slasher film called mickey's mousetrap the video game called infestation 88 that have mickey-esque stuff inside Do you can you not say the words mickey mouse? No, no, they could they could say the words mickey mouse But they have to be careful of infringing on trademark if they do right so that's a whole separate conversation They can show A mickey mouse in their slasher film that looks like the steamboat willy one But they can't If if disney could go to court and say that's not the steamboat willy one That's the one from fantasia somehow and convince a judge of that then they would be infringing So, you know, that's why I said a lot of it depends on what a judge would decide right, but they are they're fairly well protected as long as they stick pretty close to What steamboat willy has There's also apparently an advertisement for steamboat willy that had the yellow hands and the red shorts in it And so some people are like well, you can now use that one too because that was published the same year as steamboat willy So it does get tricky But but yeah, it it does mean that you can see people use the image of mickey mouse a lot more now But it's just like you said the steamboat steamboat willy version. So mickey mouse has his look has evolved over the years So you can't use any evolution Of mickey mouse. It has to be localized to that specific Version of mickey mouse in steamboat willy. Okay, I could make a steamboat willy video game Just as long as I stick to you know, what what it looked like in in steamboat willy bunch of other stuff Winnie the pooh's first work went into public domain Believe it was last year we saw the pooh horror film at that point house at pooh corner is now In the public domain. So that brings tigger into the public domain You've also got the mystery of the blue train by agatha christie all quiet on the western front Which everybody made movies of before it went into the public domain. It's now in the public domain Orlando by virginia wolf The song mac the knife in german Interesting is now in the public domain Now you said that recording of the song just the you know, you just the the work itself Now you've mentioned all quiet on the western front before it entered the public domain How can a film get away with that? Well, they paid they paid for the license, right? Got it. Got it. So there's a licensing thing here permission. Well, and I guess they might have not paid, but I'm guessing they paid Um, yeah, but you can you get if you get permission then you can do it Yeah, it doesn't mean it's completely hands off it just means you don't just get to kind of do what you want Unless you want a lawsuit exactly public domain means I don't need to ask anybody's permission It is no longer protected by copyright. So I can I can go and use that work as much as I want Interesting stuff Well, apple did something pretty crazy last year something it hasn't done since 2010 anybody have guesses All right, I'll just tell you it failed to release a new version or even a refresh of a single ipad model Yeah Instead of that signaling that apple is no longer committed to the ipad Rumors and analysts forecast point to 2024 may be being a pretty significant year for the ipad lineup With every model including the entry level ipad ipad mini ipad air and ipad pro Possibly getting a hardware refresh apple has not said that they're doing this But those that's kind of the rumor realm now if a rumored 12.9 inch ipad air also launches this year Also a rumor that would be a record six new ipad models in 2024 and expand the lineup overall Now nika, obviously we're waiting on the vision pro that continues to loom on the horizon Other rumors point to is as early as later this month For a launch there knowing that that's going to be kind of the the thing of the year for apple You know the new and cool thing How do you feel about it potentially also being a big ipad year? um What I actually think is like you mentioned vision pro is To me the cornerstone of of apple's launches for 2024 and really anything that comes in addition to that barring You know at the new iphone later this year It would really kind of step on You know the the what the vision pro stands for and you know apple's crowning jewel So I think it's likely If we do get new ipads, which we probably will since we didn't get anything last year To me it I think it's going to go along the lines of a highly produced video announcing the launch of Whatever new ipads they come out with and post it to the website Something of hey go check out an email to go out. Hey, we got new ipads. Go check out the video Learn how to buy find out about it barring some significant You know redesign or overhaul of the ipad, which I don't think they actually have the time for Since a lot of focus has been on vision pro. Um, I really think that's likely Um, you know what we're going to see happen with uh ipads I think it's it's going to be sad to say a bit of a footnote in the big year of vision pro I also wonder how many of the ipad product lineup remains I mean, we've got first ipad that launched in 2010 ipad mini launched in 2012 first gen of all all these iPad air launched in 2013 ipad pro in 2015 No new ipad mini since the sixth gen That was back in 2021 if I had to guess I would say the ipad mini goes away It's never made much sense to me as a product now You might be home saying I love my ipad mini. I'm a big iphone person So when you got the max pro next to the ipad mini, they're too close to me for me um, so it's it's never made a lot of sense to me and um Yeah, their their rumors have swirled that the ipad mini might not be long for this world anyway, but I also just think apple might say We don't need to do ipad refreshes every year people don't buy ipads with the same frequency that they buy iphone No, I think paul hit on it. I'm gonna steal his take from the chat room ipad fold Oh, because I was thinking oh the reason they didn't do an ipad last year was logistical Um, so maybe they're trying to get everything over to the m-ship and they didn't want to steal m-chips from the macbooks And so they didn't want to switch it yet If they're planning a fold Not only does that fit my logistical thing which is oh they have a whole bunch of new parts that they need to make sure They have enough of before they launch it It also fits what you were saying sarah, which is let's get rid of the ipad mini the new ipad mini is a fault It's an ipad mini when it's folded And it's a bigger ipad when you unfold it's the best ipad mini ever It's the best ipad mini you've ever had You know, I mean, I I think we're right if this was This was our 2023 prediction show. Um, that would have been a real good one And I think I think there's there's that that makes a lot of sense paul. Thank you and if we if apple sticks to the rumors of releasing the vision pro End of january maybe even into february Maybe the ipad fold gets pushed back and maybe it's like a late spring type of announcement so everybody kind of has Every product kind of has its moment to flourish because the beginning of the year we get the vision pro Everybody's oh my god. What is it? Let's play with it. Let's see what it is Then with the novelty and the excitement of the initial launch wears off Then they hit you again with boom now we got an ipad fold And you know, we're just so innovative we got innovation, you know coming out the yin yang So that you know paul might be on to something there The the the usual with with last year accepted the usual pattern was to release ipads in march So they might go back to that with the with with potentially a foldable because I think it was the minis that usually got released in march too I know charlie and columbus is like ipad mini selling point was price The key there charlie is the past tense We do what we're thinking and what paul is suggesting It it would probably not be a selling point that it was price anymore and they would maybe just discount The uh, you know the the ipad air and say that that's now the affordable one something like that. 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You could start chatting with everybody you want Toward the end of last year a number of automakers started paring back on their electric vehicle plans Sales were starting to drop or slow Rivian missed its quarterly delivery expectations tesla met its delivery estimates in q4 But they had to cut prices to do it and ford has said it's cutting back production of its f-150 lightning for the next year Meanwhile, china is a different story. dyd saw sales rise 61.9 on the year passing tesla to become the leading seller in q4 and china's geely also raised its sales forecasts nikah, you've been following all this. What's going on here? So this is very interesting, especially with the new knowledge new to me about what's going on with china and their sales goals, but if you'll notice, um, you know Prices of of evs. I think Are exceeding? Some initial expectations, you know, everyone, you know, maybe a couple years ago, you know Evies are the way of the future. You had the federal government saying they want it, you know fleets, you know, fully electric by 2030 Most if not all of your major car players were in on it. It's like, yes, let's get these evs out Ford gm you mentioned rivian. Of course, you already already know tesla. They're like, let's get this ball rolling Let's get this new these new fleets of vehicle vehicles out Well, now we've come to the point where it's a little bit Oversaturation, there are lots of evs available more planned evs to come And they aren't quite selling so much in the u.s. And I think it can be attributed to a couple of things Again, I mentioned cost Are reducing demand and then of course that sneaky little eye word inflation We also have had the the the ua w strikes Last year, so it's a lot of things kind of toiling around that can attribute to this in addition to you know issues with infrastructure As you remember in president biden's infrastructure plan There was you know a section carved out specifically for making sure charging stations were available making sure batteries are being produced in the u.s. And I think The plan for Through the federal government with this infrastructure plan. I don't think it's quite moving as fast As production is from these different companies And it's just one of those things where everybody is flooding the market with their versions And again, we can't you know negate the fact that last year we saw a lot Of of layoffs as well. So I think when you couple in Cost of productions when you factor in You know what people losing their jobs, you know holding onto their cars a little bit longer And I also think there's another thing that we may not really Maybe notice so much. It's the fact that anytime there's a major shift um in especially in the u.s. Of adopting a new technology or new products A lot of americans meet some of these things with skeptibility. It's like do I don't know if I really trust, you know cars with with batteries, you know, give me my combustible engines I know the oil works the gas works. Let's keep up with that. So not everybody is really early adopters So I think that has a point to it As well, and we've seen, you know, what is it for they've reduced their production for their electric f-150 um gm once had a plan to have To produce 400 000 electric vehicles by mid 2024. That's this year. So that's basically a few months down They recently backed off of that That production goal back in november, I believe so it's one of those things where there's a lot at play here um, but I think it's just growing pains of of bringing in something Trying to overhaul the way that we work and the way that we move in society I think the pendulum will eventually swing back on the positive side of evs. But right now the the water's a little bit murky Yeah, it seems like a combination of of uh, yeah Pocket books being tightened and also just market saturation, you know looking at this as compared to byd's sales rising a lot over in china It's it's you know, not that Someone who doesn't have an ev will never have one in the future But I think we're still in that period where if you want one and you understand how your life will be fine with one and in many cases much better then you Potentially already already have your ev You know, there are a lot of folks who just still can't you know quite figure out why it's worth in many cases the extra cost or yet changing your your daily patterns enough to make it make sense I actually now that i'm back in los angeles i am i mean los angeles is full of uh, just more cars than pretty much anywhere else but i i i In the bay area There were so many more teslas and just evs in general that i just saw on a daily basis And i think it does point to a lot of people spending a lot more time in their cars and the charging situation Uh, depending on where you live just not making a lot of sense yet Yeah, and to you to all your points byd sells its cars in a lower price range. They're not cheap They're still, you know 20 30 that 28 high 20s 30 000 dollars equivalent Uh, but it's cheaper than than tesla on on average. So Even byd didn't sell what they thought they would sell but they they still made a lot of cars and they still sold a lot of cars I think another thing that's happening is competition So We're we're all talking about a confluence of events, right? There's there's that skepticism that nika's talking about that kicks in at a certain point where Companies get a little more excited about their new thing than the customer base is and there's a little lag between it I think we're right. I think we're seeing that Uh, and there's just inflation economic uncertainty I don't know if I want to splash out on something that's a little more expensive I'll go with a more affordable model. That's that definitely happened in it, but there's also more choice So ford isn't the only company making Electric vehicles, right? Even though it may be Only one of a few making a truck It's starting to see that some people are like, you know what? Maybe i'll choose a chevy bolt. Maybe i'll choose a jeep wrangler Uh plug-in hybrid instead, which means they they might have to readjust and say, you know what? We're not going to make as many because there's more competition than we expected out there Competition is good for the consumer It is it should bring down the prices though and we're not seeing that I think partly because the subsidies in the us have changed so Starting now starting as of january 1st your ev tax credit Applies to fewer models of evs than it did last year because of the restrictions on where the parts have to come from Batteries can't be made in china etc. Etc There's a lot of details on those parts And what the restrictions are But the upshot at the end is it's a shorter list of vehicles that get the full 7500 dollar credit It's chevy bolt chrysler pacifica ford f-150 the tesla models. That's it You want rivian. You want a jeep grand cherokee. You want a link and corsair grand touring You're getting a 37 50 tax credit. You're getting a lower tax credit That means the prices effectively are going to look higher to consumers Yeah, and it's one of those things where Electric vehicles aren't such a novice anymore. They've become quote-unquote mainstream So they are more accessible than they initially were when the original rebates were happening incentives were happening So it it makes sense that now that it's becoming a part of our The evs are becoming a part of our everyday life that the the adjustments and the rebates for them The incentives for them are are going down because the goal, you know as as with what the the government and president Biden have wanted is you know to have you know the fleet by 2030 so Evies will become in theory, you know more Less of of an anomaly less than than you know, just combustible engines So it it it makes sense that the that the incentives are are fluctuating or and reflecting that change And and I think you're right like this this is a this is probably not like oh evs were were a fraud This is probably hey the curves are never linear and sometimes they look like they're going down Temporarily and that's probably what we're seeing. We're just seeing a slowdown in it. I think you're probably right All right, let's check out the mailbag Let's do it daemon wrote in and said with the announcement of bird e-scooter company filing for bankruptcy back in december and talk on the show about how much longer the e-scooter market Can stay afloat one place that may never die is on college campuses daemon says i work at a large university During the boom the campus was flooded the scooters from lime bird and others Many of the problems that were discussed on the show scooters ended up in fountains rivers backyards Recently the university partnered with one company vio and it's been much better Students didn't want a total ban on the scooters because they're a great way to get across campus quickly And the university wanted one company to be responsible for the maintenance of the fleet I feel that college campuses and other locations that are more pedestrian focused are better suited for this mode of Transportation than in the downtown of a large city where automobile traffic is higher Yeah, I I don't think these scooters are going away. I think we're just figuring out where they work Where they work there were some places that maybe they didn't work So yeah, I mean they are in all sorts of front yards around my new neighborhood and I don't know how that's working I I just don't understand Yeah, I don't see them in my neighborhood like but I see them near my neighborhood So I feel like oh, they they aren't working here, but they're working a couple blocks away if that makes any sense I also see people riding them. So it's not just that they're discarded and you know left to die But um, yeah, they're they're they're working somehow still And we got an email from lance in miss sippy who said I loved the discussion on smart car functionality with ai I just wanted to let sarah know that my wife has the same vehicle that she does the volvo xc 60 I believe and actually will do those functions of i'm cold or i'm hot and adjust the temperature incrementally just have to say it uh just in case you didn't know thanks for the awesome show as always, uh Have you tried it? No, no lance. I'm gonna try it now. I by the time I read this email I was I don't know. I didn't have a good reason to get in my car I had to work on the show this morning But uh, let me tell you this afternoon. I'm gonna give it a shot. Fantastic. Thank you, lance Yeah, and thanks to you nika mod ford. Happy new year to you. Let folks know where they can keep up with you in 2024 Sure, uh, as always it's great to be here with you guys. Um, you can find me at tech savvy diva pretty much everywhere Also, you can uh head on over to snubba west cast dot com and I'll get all the details on the Apple themed uh podcast that I co-host with uh, brother tech tarence gains Fantastic Now patrons stick around for the extended show good day internet I'd say we let our hair down but that wouldn't apply to me But we do kind of relax and and kick back and talk a little more nika's gonna update us on what's happening with microsoft Co-pilot, that's the ai assistant for developers. So stick around for that Reminder you can catch our show live monday through friday at 4 p.m. Eastern That's 2100 utc find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live We're back again tomorrow talking about square enix's aggressive plan to use ai and its games with none other scott joneson The dts family of podcasts Helping each other understand thiamin club hopes you have enjoyed this program Oh, yeah, that was howard urmish uh do it with the the new outro. What did you all think? I thought it was great Let's hear it again The dts family of podcasts Helping each other Thank you howard Thanks howard that sounds cool howard was like you might want to redo it with your own voice I was like no, that's really good. I'm just gonna Yeah, yeah And it's kind of cool. Like oh, who's that? You know man behind the curtain Well, it's howard. Okay, everybody You all know that it's howard now other people keep keep the secret No, no, no, that's super cool. Um, and We we didn't want to do that frog pants and diamond club. So we stuck it in the frog pants let today We'll we'll figure that out. Maybe we'll do frog pants on certain days Then we'll do frog pants with scott's here Or something Anyway, we need to pick a title as we always do So if you're watching or listening live go to showbot.tv slash dts to submit those titles Let us know what you think we should name the show Uh, and nika is gonna take us through kind of some of the stuff that's been happening with with co-pilot Because we had a few announcements over the break and do you use it? I'm wondering about that too Yeah, so, um, one of the things Um Is when this first when when it was first announced about co-pilot Um, I was like, wow, this is pretty cool. This is This is actually kind of really cool And a lot of you know developers that I know was like, wow, this is this could really, you know Be a game changer. I watch, you know, when they first announced it the the demo of it and it's, you know, basically um And software development for those who may not know Uh pair programming is a huge thing and that's just basically two people working together coding together to either fix a issue or create something You know completely new and what co-pilot basically is is an ai pair programmer So it's like, uh having a second person, you know with you, you know, if you're typing is like, um How do I want to do this function? How do I want to break it down? And it basically as you start typing it recognizes what you're doing and it autocompletes You know the steps, uh, you know that you're it falls along with what you're doing Offer suggestions and you know automatically kind of You know spits out, you know, what's next kind of thinking ahead Of of what you're doing and what you're trying to accomplish and kind of helps you out do that So so yeah, it's it's pretty cool. Um, I use it personally and um in corporate is one of those things where um, you know because co-pilot is Uh a a bit of a Uh a partnership between github Which is owned by microsoft and open ai which is also partially owned by microsoft microsoft soft is all, you know Up in this is one of those things where people rightfully so, you know had questions about What are we given open ai access to are they going to be able to access our corporate data, you know our corporate proprietary code How was that going to work? um, so for at the time the company that i worked for they released a softer version Of of co-pilot that allowed, you know, certain if they didn't drill it out company-wide Certain, you know developers got access to it and even with the pared down version because you don't want your Proprietary code trained on or accessed even the pared down version that was, you know offered as Um as basically a pilot for you know people to try out. It was still pretty good. So so yeah And you're not worried it sounds like you weren't worried like oh, this might take my job You were more like this makes my job easier Yeah, if you think about it a lot of of of Discourse has been you know, the sky is falling ai is going to come and take all of our jobs Developers are going to be useless people are going to be useless and you know, there's a level of Of truth to that but not to the extent that people are alarming or being alarmist about I don't think it's that at all to me. There are ways that Ai machines and humans can coexist peacefully and and honestly, you know successfully as well and to me Copilot is is one of those things Because it allows It's it's doing something that developers already do which is pair program with other people So this is just adding another layer to it And I've said before I think on this show on on our show is the way that we go about You know integrating or bringing ai in it's not a replacement. It's an adjustment so it's basically as people Adjusting and learning ways that you know ai can be helpful and people I know some people are like well What is this pair program and a copilot? How does this help me as a person? I'm not a developer I'm not an engineer. I don't care. Mm-hmm. What it does is it We all use technology. We all use software We all use programmed hardware What this does is to me it helps speed up the process of how quickly you can roll out Software how much better, you know software can be and that eventually trickles down to the user Because it helps the user experience as well in the product That's created the velocity of getting it out as well as the quality as well So that's to me. That's kind of You know the difference and this one those things where it's it's you know, it's a microsoft own You know product, but it is you know, of course available in vs. Code, which is microsoft's ide But there's also a plug-in for jet brains There's a plug-in for Neil vim so it's different uses for this and now It's it's gotten to the point where it's been integrated Into your ide which is your Integrated development environments basically what developers use to create software So it's one of those things where now it started kind of like as let's kind of see if this works See how people like it and then it eventually, you know Evolved into outside of github and going into other ide's and You know ultimately in june of 2022 It became a full-fledged service Um subscription based service for individual developers So it went from let's kind of do a technical preview that people kind of play with it See what it does see how it works. Let's put in some corporate environments See if it's as good as we think it is and as you can see it's now kind of progressed to being one of those things Where it's out in the domain where developers can use it and even more so What was announced, you know, you you alluded to it during the During the kind of intro that over the break announcements were made And the the next phase of co-pilot is it's now an it was an android app first now. It has an ios Uh app as well that was launched uh during december of of this past year So it's one of those things where now it's kind of gone Kind of mass so anybody can really before anybody could access it but now It's made simpler for an app that you could you know use on your phone Rather than you know having to sit at your big, you know set up and you know all your monitors are your screens It's now pretty much in your pocket. Um to be able to to do some of this work. So Um, I think you know, it's pretty cool. And I know you know a lot of other developers as well that find, um You know, uh interest and and and use out of it as well Yeah, and that education discount is pretty sweet too. That's not yeah Yeah, and that's that's something that's that's new as well. Um, so with the Um, what is it the uh office? Uh, microsoft 365. Um co-pilot is now Being a part of that subscription for um higher ed. So it's you know faculty staff Basically, you have to be over 18. So it's not really in the k through 12 arena Yet i'm assuming but you know for higher ed. Yeah, and uh starting as of yesterday january 1st You know, it was available, uh in microsoft 365 and 30 bucks a month So it's it's it's not bad at all So do you code on your phone? I went to a dow was talking about using uh the pixel fold to do all of her developing on And it seems like that's more common than I would have imagined I don't personally use it because you know, I like to see things like Layed out. Yeah. Yeah, but what I what I've learned is in a lot of countries outside Of of the u.s. Particularly, you know on the continent africa many countries over there Power internet can be a little bit um It can fluctuate and and I've seen that a lot of people In other countries code on their phones because they can't always trust that their You know wi-fi is going to to be you know, um stable But you know phones, you know, the the connection on your phone is is you know pretty much everywhere you go is is Is really stable and really consistent. So a lot of people do do development on the phones They may not have you know a a regular, you know laptop or even tablet So the phone is is what they have to use to to get their work done or get completed what they're they're working on. So um, I didn't realize it before How many people use their their mobile devices to do development, but a lot of people do yeah I mean when's a Denver? Yeah, it's not like she doesn't have uh access to the to the better bandwidth or anything But yeah, I mean, I think even just with mobile use in general I mean a lot of people have just bypassed the you know the desktop Situation or even laptop situation, you know if it can be done on a mobile device then somebody's going to figure out how to do it Cap cut you got a pro man. You got a pro mass screen You know these super huge screens, you know these chips in these phones now are basically mini laptops So um, it if you're on the go if you're out if you're moving It's it's you know easy to pop it open and you know start, you know doing your thing. So You know it it it makes sense Um as people are more agile now they're out More and you know if you get an idea, I don't know for me if I get an idea for something I'll pop up my phone do a voice note a voice memo or type it something in notes And it's one of those things where if you're working on something I know for me If I'm particularly if I'm stuck on something it's like let me step away Let me get away from this because I've been working on this. I can't figure it out And you know you're out, you know go for a walk clear your head doing something and then just like that You know it comes to you just like oh god. I don't want to forget this Let me write a note about it But now if you have you know, there are so many tools available. You can kind of pop out your phone Trout your fix it works. Yay. If not, you know, you go back to the drawing board But it it's it's really convenient to me You know and it gives people a lot of flexibility Um to create stuff so and I guess that's the idea with the android and iOS apps for co-pilot is That's the kind of thing that makes it even easier on a mobile device, right? Because it's doing a lot of the work for you now. It doesn't do all the work for you You still have to check it, right? Yeah, so it it It basically like you said, it's a helper So if you're doing something and it's following along you still have to you know If you're using specific variables or if it's something custom, you know, you have to go back in and tweak it But it kind of puts you on the right path If if you're you know, you know doing especially basic things like if you're declaring variables If you're creating a function those type of things creating, you know An array it like oh, yeah, well, duh, you know, yeah the tedious things similar to you know, just using chat gpt You know or barred or whatever. It's like, you know, you could type in a prompt, you know to You know create a table that does a bc and d is some of the things that Require a lot of brain power but shouldn't but it's you know pretty standard stuff that Are are pretty consistent across software development that you know, you're going to use Um, regardless of of whether you're in fintech whether you're in automotive whether you're in Gaming there are just some things that are pretty universal And you know that kind of helps you helps you get there and it's pretty good at that. How often do you reject what it suggests Um, it really depends on what I'm trying to sometimes it doesn't quite get right What I'm trying to do But for the for the most part it it it's pretty close. It's pretty close And again, if you're trying to do something really custom or something kind of outside the box It's like no, I don't need your help on this. I know what I'm doing. I know where I'm going But you know just to kind of get you rolling or if you get stuck a lot of times It's like what are the parameters that I need to use to To use this specific library. It'll help you fill in that so you don't have to go to google and say What do I need to include in this? You know to to to fill it out and it's just like, oh, well, yeah Thanks for reminding me. It's a string here or it's in whatever the case may be It kind of helps you some of the tedious things that You should know that you could just have a brain freeze or it's just like whatever Um, it kind of fills in those things so you don't have to stop your train of thought to go And look up what specifically you need for you know, whatever library you're using so Yeah, I feel like Coding is a great example of how AI is used well because a lot of the resistance to using these Transformer tools is they get stuff wrong, right? And a lot of the headlines are about the things that they have gotten wrong But if you don't expect them to be perfect if you're just looking at them as suggestions and you quickly reject the suggestions that aren't good They're helpful. Is that's what that's what I'm hearing you say is like, yeah It maybe doesn't get it right sometimes, but it gets it right enough that it speeds me along right and it's one of those things where I don't think we can expect any piece of AI to 100 percent Do the work of a person that to me it's not it's not We're not there and it's not it's not reasonable because you know You know how to talk about the sentient, you know taking over There are just some things that the human mind processes differently than A machine does and those are the things you can't necessarily Teach or train um A model to do it. There are some things you're going to need You know, not just some there quite a bit of things that you're going to need some human You know interaction for some human intervention for so Like I said, you know, it's one of those things where people the skies falling AI is going to completely revolutionize and take over the world Maybe you know down the line But right now you have to kind of you know how they say, you know Chew on the meat and spit out the bones take what you need of a particular thing and then disregard You know what you don't need And then you've got a bunch of people over there complaining that there were bones But this is basically where we're at Like right this had bones in it. Like well, yeah, it did. Yeah That's me when I eat fish anytime I eat fish with the bones in it, which is common. I'm always like, ah, this one's got bones I hate it. It's so tedious, but yeah, it's still fish. It's still good. It's still good and you still eat it I used to get a um At the dinner table because we ate a lot of fish, but my parents were always worried that I would swallow a bone I would get a nickel for every bone I found Really? Mm-hmm. It was very a very clever way to make a kid eat thoughtfully Maybe Maybe we do that with AI you get a nickel for every time you spot a coating error There you go. I mean with inflation, maybe it should be a quarter, but Yeah, I remember at one point like saying I think I should be getting a quarter for every bone and they were like You know, there was like a nickel jar somewhere that you know, they had nothing They didn't know what else to do with Wild West Dan's like who has quarters? Who carries change anymore? I found a quarter on the ground the other day and I was like mine 25 Hey, you get enough of them and you're gonna pay for something. Hey, you know, it's money Yeah, a penny. I don't know What does the tooth fairy bring these days? What are the going rates? Folding money like five dollars I think it's more than that. Well, depends on the family obviously Yeah, and I know some people they're their kids are like, you know expecting like 10 20 dollars. I'm like for a single tooth Oh, yeah, I was like you're gonna lose a lot of those Axios has a story from delta dental About oh like what they took data from delta dental that surveyed parents about what they were paying average gift In 2023 reached six dollars and 23 cents per tooth Do they have like regional areas where teeth go for more? Oh, yeah, that'd be cool. I don't see that You know, you want to live in new jersey if you want to get rich from the tooth fairy, okay Although 20 of children received money and a physical gift I never got a gift. No they get presents too now. Yeah I got a silver dollar and it was I mean a silver dollar is worth a dollar That's all it is But it was it. It was like a special dollar So I had like 20 silver dollars for all my baby teeth. All right. I found the regional rankings The tooth fairy is most generous in the south Nika 659 a tooth in the south Yeah The midwest I'm from has the lowest value per tooth five dollars and 63 cents That I don't know still sounds like a lot to me. It's a yeah, I mean I used to give a dime But I also really see a dollar it's like you know inflation, you know, it trickles all the way down, doesn't it? Yeah, um, yeah, it's the same thing when we know I would when I would babysit You know the neighbor's kid on a Friday night. It was like You know did I think by the time I sort of was old enough to get a job and stopped babysitting I would get like 20 bucks for the night and I thought that was great Yeah, and you hear like 20 dollars an hour now or I'm sure it's even more Wow, like kids are just wealthy So yeah, but it's all relative I remember getting a quarter for one of my last baby teeth and my sister being really upset Okay, she didn't get as much never brought more than a dime before that Six dollars my gosh You know nobody's giving a I'm sorry the tooth fairy is not leaving a child six dollars and 25 cents The tooth fairy is leaving five or ten. So Yeah, you know So so the fact that it's the average is above five means there's a bunch of kids getting $10 bills Maybe 20s I used to Really, you know, I don't know how I was never successful at catching the tooth fairy in the act But you know, it would be it would be exciting, you know tooth under pillow. Okay, you have to go to sleep, sir She's not gonna come And you know, I'd be like, I really want to see her You know laying there, you know eyes wide open and somehow I never caught her never caught her. Maybe I was drugged My grandma stitched me a little felt tooth With a pocket and we put our teeth in it And stick it under the pillow and then when we'd wake up There'd be the dime in there instead It couldn't have handled a five dollar or even a dollar bill Maybe mine was in a pouch too. It kind of seems weird to just have this like rando tooth under floating in bed you know, what if the What if the child is kind of a you know, a wild sleeper Now the tooth fairy can't find the two that's mayhem We were a just put the tooth under the pillow type thing you make sure it was clean Or you put it in like a piece of like a paper towel or like a piece of you know, something to cover it But yeah, uh, yeah, it was pretty much just, you know loose out there in the In the wild Yeah Roger chang is confirming. Uh, tooth fairy has brought his children six dollars per tooth Wow A five in a one, I guess Surrey wants to know if my my grandma's felt tooth could have handled a dollar coin I think of susan b anthony for sure I don't know about an eisenhower dollar. We didn't have any others Actually, susan b anthony came after all my teeth were gone. Anyway, it would have been my brother at that point At one point, I guess I was a teenager, you know, I was done losing teeth and I had the silver dollars I remember there being specifically 20 Is do you have more than 20 baby teeth? I don't know. There were 20 silver dollars And you know, I kind of would look at them and be like, ah, they're special. Don't spend them And it was also in the days where You know a dollar or two could get you a lot of gas in your car Yeah And I eventually just started using them. Yeah, I'm like, they're tender this legal tender, you know What what am I gonna save them for now? I'm like, I should have saved them for posterity or something But oh well, or maybe at least one Yeah, all of them, but right. Yeah, I spent all my I have no idea what happened to my coins Yeah, it became baseball cards almost immediately. I'm guessing Yeah, it was probably more nostalgia for now I did get Eisenhower's my silver dollars from my uncle all the time and I have a bunch of those still I don't know why that was different. Maybe it's because it was a dollar instead of a dime We always told the People that I was friends with always told stories that you wanted to keep silver dollars because that's how you can buy beer without an ID But if you if you go to this one store in east st. Louis You could like just put down the silver dollars and they would be like, you know wink at you or something I never tried it. I don't know if it actually worked in reality interesting Roger, how does the tooth fairy leave the six dollars? Uh in two dollar bills Lots of two dollar bills. That those are special I thought you were asking like does she fly through the window or have you caught me? I mean, I mean first of all, I I'm not aware of the gender of the tooth fairy. Oh, good point. True. True. Yeah Two, I mean if you if you wind it back far enough, the tooth fairy was far more monstrous than leaving money On your pillow after your tooth falls out. I believe it was an accurate What terrible things to the tooth fairy was an active occupation for the tooth fairy to take the teeth Whether or not they were coming out or not Oh Okay, interesting never had that happen Yes, except in a bar fight, but that's that was my My niece had a loose tooth and she was hoping it would come out on the 25th So that santa and the tooth fairy would visit at the same time, but it didn't happen Oh, well, you know, there could be a collision in between as It's probably best that they didn't I I'm curious and the reason I bring this up is because my wife had never Had this done, but like when you had a loose tooth, did your parents ever try to yank it out with like dental floss? Yeah, I was gonna say you would hear stories of the kids saying oh, they would tie it to my tooth and slam the door Yeah, yeah, you know my dad did that You'd my mom got great. Well, yeah, my mom got great joy out of I mean, that's that would that terrified me You know, I get a loose tooth and be like no one can know I I'm a living First person witness Except for the one He would he would only do it if he couldn't get it out himself Like he would usually just be able to wiggle it out I just I I mean you're a very brave kid to be like, all right, let's do it. Oh, no What I don't understand is what the dentist does is take the dental equivalent of pliers and just Grasp the tooth and just so it's okay Another question because it's been a while since I had baby teeth when a tooth is loose, but it's not fall Just falling out. Does it become dangerous at some point? Like why can't you just wait for it to fall out? They were worried about it Yeah, I think my kid swallowed her loose tooth, but whatever. Yeah Not only not only did not only did he do the door thing a couple of times, but every time we lost a tooth We got creamed a mint Oh Yeah, it's like a liqueur He would take like a like a third of a shot glass of creamed a mint. He would rub some on the gum Oh, okay, you weren't just like I didn't have a I had a tooth I this is the weirdest thing. This is the weirdest tooth story I'll ever tell Um I had a loose tooth like all the way through junior high up here like not my molar, but like a bicuspid and When my other tooth came in never fully came out So there were like two teeth next to each other and then one Then one day in my freshman year in high school when I was had when I had a slush puppy It like it's like a slushie that you get from a convenience store One of the pastives I had was drinking it and then just sucking the syrup and then spitting out the ice And one time I did that I saw the silver thing fly out of my mouth and it was Interesting yeah teeth. What are you gonna do? I wish we had three sets. So I wouldn't have to worry so much about the ones I have right now I have to find a new dentist I I have a great dentist that's not it's closer to you than it is to me Oh, yeah, yeah, um, yeah, send me the deets I had found a good dentist after not really liking my previous dentist I've never had a poor experience with a dentist before. I've just had to get a new dentist After moving, you know And or you know needing different insurance that kind of thing And I did not like this dentist that I went to a couple times just thought he knew everything And um, then I got a dentist that I liked a lot, but that's up in northern california. It's not gonna work No, I like dr. Kagawa. He's he's great. And I think those are too great. I I'm uh I wouldn't say enthusiastic to Go to my next Like if it's gonna be a cool dentist I'm I'm happy to put it this way We moved we moved to where it now takes a lot longer to drive and we kept him We switched other things like the eye doctor and stuff, but we we kept we kept dr. Kagawa When you find a good doctor, it's like, yeah, I'm gonna stick with you. It's it's hard I mean, this is the thing is you get older. You're like you You're like, I don't want to I don't want to move to this person knows me. Yeah All my my thing. He knows all my quirks Or she knows all my quirks. Yep. Oh, you're still chewing you're still chewing your fingernails Well, that's the other thing is I've been to dentists where you would get a different dental assistant every time Right, just depending on when your appointment was but the way dr. Kagawa does it you are you not only get him But you get a the same assistant you make your appointment with the assistant so they get to know you too, which is helpful I see you bite your this is not an ad. This is not a paid ad I mean, this is the thing like once you find a good doctor, they're like they're almost like in-laws because All right We have so many people to thank we probably shouldn't have started five minutes ago But we because we had a holiday break and so many of you were so generous with the raises we got Timothy and Tim And another Tim three different people all gave us raises flying out Jerome captain caveman. Good to see you back captain caveman Dustin joe Mike another Mike Bert Steven Robert Kevin Fabio Lee Gabrielle and chris Yay I know right Thank you all For the raises, uh, that's that's so heartening going into this year. So, uh, really appreciate that and You know, we might change how we do the twitch. Uh, thanks. Well, we'll talk about it. 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Everybody here here live doesn't mind so Maybe we'll start doing it that way in the meantime. Uh, we're definitely doing the title Uh selection here Our top foe getter is the one I went with for dts. Happy 10th birthday dts from zoe brings bacon. Yeah Yeah Enth mic suggested we try steamboat willy listens to dts and so should you Wild west dan put 10 year old tech news, which you know could be taken the wrong way That's our pretty freddy 19s. Uh dts goes to 11 11 because it's our 11th year and I like that iPad fold question mark from moose 2271 Uh, okay, so but we have to pick the gdi title our top vote getter is from enth mic happy 10th anniversary dts Uh, there's also the tooth fairy inflation index from larry and alana New outro who dis from howard who made the new outro D teeth ns The one where tom was crying like a baby I mean it kind of was a baby. It was a toddler Today's five dollar per tooth is yesterday's it's one dollar from a cheap idea It's dramatizing Gosh, you know. All right, tom. Come on get near the door. No, I don't want to do this. I remember saying that I don't want to do this Ah, it'll be fast. That's what my dad said. It'll be fast. You won't even know what happened I mean, I didn't even that's the same big ripping off a band-aid as a kid was like traumatic So the tooth thing in the door or you know a pair of pliers or I don't know what I mean I was just like can't imagine. I you know, I'm going to run away from home if you suggest it Tim Conway is my dentist for moose 22. I don't know what that means Should we go with tooth fairy inflation index then? Yes. All right. Why not? All right Congratulations larry in Atlanta We are now going to send you on a raid Enjoy Do it In discord, thank you for joining