 Boom, what's up everyone? Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Alan Sakyan. Very excited to be talking about sacred geometry and the Chesterhedron. We have Frank Chester joining us on the show. Hello. Thank you for coming on. We really appreciate it. Thank you very much. We're super excited. We're very grateful to Brock Pierce for making the introduction happen. It was such a blessing going up to your home in Marin and being able to dive deeper into all of your art and your sculpting and your sacred geometrical work. For those who don't know, Frank Chester is an artist, a sculptor and a geometrician focused on the sacred Chesterhedron. He has taught art for more than 30 years in high schools and colleges exploring the relation between form and spirit and you can find his link in the biofrankchester.com. Frank, let's start things off with one of our favorite questions we like asking our guests. What are your thoughts on the direction of our world? The direction of our world. Well, I think first off that the direction of our world is exactly where it's supposed to be and I like it and I'm pleased to be here and the capacity that I and everybody else can develop here is a real gift. So living here on the planet between birth and death is the best. I would be happy to come back again. I love that. You're very optimistic and yeah that's very very powerful. I want to ask you about your journey now. Let's just jump right into it. The amount of gratitude you had there was great. You're born and raised in Hollywood, California and I want to know how you picked up your interest in art and sculpting and geometry. Well, my dad taught me all these skills on how to make things. He could make anything and now I can too and so being exposed to him had a lot to do with the whole thing but I never thought I would be an artist. I never had an art class in high school but I got into college and I was a force major and I didn't like it and so I used to draw cartoons and my roommate took cartoons. Our teachers said, hey look at this guy, you can do it. So our teacher said, hey, send him over. So I went over and I really liked him and so I started and changed my major to art. I graduated. I went to Cranbrook Academy of Art for my MFA which was one of the top three schools in the nation at the time. So that's kind of what happened. And when you were with your father and you saw your father being able to build whatever that he wanted to create it and then that inspired you as well to be able to start tinkering and playing. What were you most interested in tinkering with when you were young? With him? Yeah. With my dad? Yeah. Yeah. Well my dad, he was such a craftsman. I mean when he made something man that thing was beautiful and so I always competed with him. Whenever I could I tried to compete with him to do as good as he could and only now can I. But it took me so long to get as good as he was and so of course we made model airplanes. Model airplanes? Model airplanes. And I was in these big state national contests with gliders and I won awards with that and then when I got to be about 16 and my dad says okay how about a hot rod? I said okay and so he and I built a hot rod and I drove that way past after I graduated from college. So you know between the airplanes and the cars it was great child it was great teenager life. I had a great teenager life. Those are both very strong ways of understanding our world as being able to craft things by hand as well as go for both a model airplane side things as well as the cars. Those are good ways of understanding how things work. Wow sure was good for me. Yes. It was. And then also you just 30 years of teaching in high school and colleges how did you then was it was it partly about your father teaching you that you got inspired to teach others as well? Well no I mean during those those teaching years I was teaching art and industrial arts so I could use the machines and apply them artistically where the artists couldn't use the machines they didn't know about them and the industrialist people didn't know how to design so I came running in the middle between those two extremes and I think that's really what really helped me and so when I got started I didn't really plan to be a teacher and I didn't like it at first but I got to a point where I just loved it and what I did is I decided that one day I had all these ideas and I thought why don't I just give them to my students so I gave all my creative energy and all my ideas away and more you couldn't believe the results I got and you couldn't believe how much it helped me not only the students. So this is interesting how you both had a solid footing in the idea of building and manufacturing a car a plane but also on the design and art side of things when when at times some people can go deep into one of those two you were able to find a strong I found the middle ground and I needed both yes I needed both and that's how you can build things into the reality as well that's right and then you also you mentioned then this you know this process of figuring out that you want to teach that you want to open source even your ideas I did yes tell us about this yeah it was really great because if I had done it just by myself in my studio and you know made the art and whatever the ideas wouldn't have come as quick and I wouldn't have seen things being developed okay so that I could I could do something else I could have a question about something and then when I would see it being made I would have better questions about it so my questions got better that was great journey really great yeah it's you opened up the information flows and let other people build on top of them build yeah and I got to see them develop yeah and what were some of your favorite aspects about the 30 years that you spent teaching like the young people what did you find most interesting about those teaching processes with them that I could put life and back into teaching and to school and I could I could invigorate I could motivate and I could take the dullness out of all the experiences I had in school because I went through those I never allowed the students to become dull and I they were very enthusiastic used to hang around on my door I used to run to my class so that that's really nice that was great yeah that's the pinnacle teaching is when the kids are running to the class because they're so interesting yeah I ran away from the class all right let's talk about how you picked up sacred geometry actually when we were at your house and you said that oh I only picked up the sacred geometry work 20 years ago and that was when you were 60 yes that's right yeah what happened is I retired and I really didn't know what to do but I did know I wanted to go back to school so I had already taken so many our classes well why don't I do something else so I decided to take a science class and in the science class the lady who was teaching form studies introduced the whole class to platonic forms which I hadn't heard of I mean of course I've heard of a cube you know everybody knows what a cube is but I had no idea there was any kind of deep thought behind it I had no idea so when I started to look at these five forms especially the cube and I was very interested in the cube because cube is is basically everything that's different and and that's based on the earth so the earth experience we have here okay is based on the cube and the quality of being different so I started to study these platonic forms and the first one that came into the world is a tetrahedron that's four triangles and then the second one that comes in is the octahedron well that's all triangles too and it seems like the last one that comes in is the cube so I started this thing around well and the cube has no triangle what's that and the cube has no triangles that has what kind of no triangles what do you mean no no triangles on a cube all squares right yeah everything's 90 degrees yes no triangles um and so my first idea was is to put the first form which is a tetrahedron put it into a cube and I did and I thought my god that's really neat so then I went from the cube to the octahedron and I noticed that they would go in each other and also there were opposites and not really perked up my interest in it so I have a cube here's the cube and here's an octahedron so these are polarity difference these are opposites okay and the reason is is because this comes from here okay and it will go into the cube like this and put the top back on yes yes okay okay okay so the form inside is the opposite of the one outside the reason is is because the cube is all planes yes and this is all points yes yes so points and planes are opposite points and planes are opposites and this one they are and so there's a point here and there's a plane on the inside on the face of the the tetrahedron yeah I mean or the octahedron yeah well what happens is that when you take the cube and you cut this corner off in that corner yeah it makes that shape exactly yes yes when you cut it at this plane level it makes that shape that's right yes these are called truncations truncations okay so you cut the corners off yes and you get that inside now if you take the one inside and you cut the top off which are the points are called vertices but I'll call them points yes yes if I cut the points off it makes a cube yes yes and then if if I cut the if I cut these points off okay then it becomes a cube and then a new one of these can go in that cube by cutting off the cube again so it can go all down to infinity and all a huge so this is a polarity this is this is uh an opposite this is an opposite of this okay okay so this is what you really need about this this has this has six points six vertices and this has six planes mm-hmm yes okay yes so but this has eight points one two three four five six seven and it's eight and that has eight planes this has eight planes see how wonderful that is yeah that's just unbelievable so this is based on eight and this is based on six because it has six points this has eight points so six and eight so when I saw this going on I said well where's the seven ah because it's got to be you know in between between eight six or six and eight there's got to be seven so I went to instructor I said you know where's the seven and she says there isn't one I said what do you mean there isn't one it says six and an eight come on give me a break you know so I said well I said in between these two there has to be a seven she says well in between these two is this for so this is halfway between the cut in the corners off and this makes a 12 sided form so that's not helping me all at all because I want the seven but okay so after that class I was inspired to work on seven so that's all I did as to work on seven so since there wasn't one I thought well I know there's eight points there or eight points here and six points here why don't I make seven points that makes sense doesn't it mm-hmm so what I did was I took a I took a seed that I found outside my apartment and that seed maybe I have it over here no I don't see it but I'll look again here let me look and see if I could find that seed oh here right there I got it okay love how interactive this is this is an amber an amber seed amber tree and had all these little holes and I thought this is perfect so I took seven sticks the same length and I put them in these holes like this and I tried to keep them equal distance apart you know so that one would be you know that would be try to keep this equal and that's not quite equal I kept going around and keep adjusting them until I put seven together that were equidistant book again yes thank you some of these little holes don't hold it too good all right there's seven sticks okay they're all the same length and I I got them all the same distance apart I can see that I need to put probably one here see I'm already doing it I'm already starting to do this again and so I connected all these points like these are connected you know these are all connected right and the shape I got had 10 size as seven sticks makes 10 size I thought what's going on here something yeah this is going to be more difficult than I thought all right so I put this aside and I went back to studying the difference between these two now here's a cube and here's an octahedron okay these are these are minerals this is this is uh this is uh fool's gold fool's gold this is fool's gold and it forms into a perfect cube pyrite and this is this is feldspar and it works into a perfect octahedron there it is there should be a seven though you know and minerals but I found out there isn't because seven doesn't spiral it doesn't grow crystals grow like this but the seven turns though that was really cool to what I found out now you can see here's a feldspar here and you can see that it has these purple parts right here it's already trying to be a comma cube see how you cut that things off that's the natural okay the seven is not natural all right so what I'm going to do is I'm going to take a pen here and show you about seven mm-hmm and I discovered the I discovered the cetahedron had to have a difference between here that made sense and nothing in geometry made sense in frank we can angle we can angle towards this one yeah okay we're good okay so first I'll I'll put um I'll draw a cube uh an octahedron a little harder to draw because it has so many sides basically like this so yeah yeah all right so here's the question mark what is this mm-hmm yes between the six and the eight that's the question mark so that is basically what I wanted to show you um but I think I better show you how I found this mm-hmm so I started by showing you I put seven sticks in mud or and that's into that piece of clay or into that seed well as you can see I didn't work so I'm going to show you how I did it this will show you how I found this form mm-hmm so you can't take traditional geometry and cut corners off and truncate them doesn't work so something had to be different that hasn't been done in the world before okay so the next thing I did was I took seven fishing floats they're kind of half white and half red I don't know you've seen them and I put seven of them together like this with my hands with a piece of clay in the middle this is what I got which is pretty cool but that's just not seven I mean it's got seven holes but the problem is it's got this big gap here see that big gap yeah that ball and that ball and that ball and that ball and you push them together they can't they don't touch yes so there's a big gap here too well that's not going to work so what I decided to do is instead of working from the center to the periphery I started to go from the periphery to the center so I took a ball of clay I knew where the seven points were because I already done it uh-huh so what I did is I started my sculptor so what I did is I started to carve these holes these volcanoes into a sphere seven volcanoes and this is what I came up with but the the the only way I could have done that is because of this gap here and artists don't care about gaps we just keep carving and this one turned turned in differently because when this came together this is what the shape looked like this is the actual one I did 20 years ago so when I carved in here one of them became a triangular and one of them became fourth one two three four one two three four and I thought wow why aren't they all the same then I never thought that a triangle on a four or seven yeah yeah yeah so then I made this into planes only here are the planes okay so the first plane that I dug out huh there's a triangle right and then when I carved out the other one it became this shape and here's there's the triangle or the there's the quadrilateral and there's a triangle that's a seven-sided form right there seven-sided form has four and three and this has four triangles and three quadrilateral seven and this surface and this surface are perfectly even and square footage perfect and it has seven points so my original one with the seven points worked out pretty good but there were when I made the the the seed with all the toothpicks in it there was a problem because I had to take away three of them and make them shorter but which ones so through the process I found that you saw one process that I took the I took the tetrahedron here's the tetrahedron and I have a stick here somewhere maybe yeah I put that stick in here all the way down to the bottom and they put it back in the cube that stick lines up with one of the corners yeah and this is the corner here but the top okay you know this edge here this edge here this is root two this is root two that's root two this is root two all over root two that's amazing all right so what I did was as I got a video that shows this what I did was I opened up the top of a tetrahedron which has never been done before nobody's ever done this I opened up the top of the tetrahedron and this blue shape started to appear mm-hmm mm-hmm so there it is the tetrahedron inside a big tetrahedron now when I opened it up you can see that blue shape there there it is again so that surface that you see is green there but now it's coming in the green lines is exactly I stopped it exactly when it was equal to a triangle so watch it being reduced see it reduced reduced to one now it's all over one yeah so that's one that's what I knew exactly where to stop so this is where to stop the blue I stopped for the blue look chest eight that tetrahedron opened up like this and when it got to be an equal surface with this I stopped if I continue to open this up this blue would become twice the size as the red it would be two triangles one on top of the other and what's interesting about this is that this fits into a cube just like the tetrahedron except it's been twisted so it's set up being like this yeah this is good enough instead of being all the way to the corners yes I twisted it and when I twisted it it opened it up and now the blue touches here all seven points touch the form that's a cube and that was the beginning of the chest a hedron how I found a seven sided form that had all the qualities that I was looking for for a seven so now go back I'll show you this so chest a hedron looks like this something like that okay so this had points right this had eight points this has seven this has six okay so this form has eight triangles so they like to have eight triangles I used four yes one two three four yes one two three four on this side I use these kites yeah yeah you call them kites yeah they're like little kites yep and there's three kites and there's three of them one two three okay so there's one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve that makes four times three is twelve right yes so this is one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve this also equals twelve this has twelve edges mm-hmm it has twelve edges this has edges also twelve this has twelve edges this has twelve this has twelve edges yeah I mean give me a break you know what I mean I start with six and mud no scene I mean it's just it's just insane what my life has been like going through this it's just it's just been fantastic so to see this this numeral abstraction happen from a form I found subjectively okay is the direction I've been going for the last 20 years is to study where this is okay so what are the things about it is this so for so for platonic shape solids there was no seven all right they I was introduced to it through they were solids and when I saw them there wasn't anything solid about them I saw them as edges only I saw that the inside was empty okay and so that's the way I approach it how I was able to start this this whole idea is going into the center and going out to the periphery and going from the periphery back into the center and then I found the center so I can show you another thing that's really neat this is the octahedron this is the cube now the octahedron and the cube are made up with three planes and they're both are all the same size well these are opposites so in between here there has to be the seven two that's being done so there's three here and three here they're all the same size except they're different configuration this is taken the square and gone across it diagonally which is root two this one is taken the square and crossed it so this is actually a plus and this is a multiplier all right so if I take these and I put them together in the chest of heat it looks like this okay so this has three one two three there are four four sides four quadrilaterals and it has the other ones which are dealing with the cube they also have four sides so all together this is 24 this is 12 and this is 12 and it's right in between and the thing is beautiful I think it's just gorgeous this is an interval my work is all about intervals an interval I never realized that that's what that is I this this form represents how to balance polarities ah okay so this is in music this is an interval and you can't hear you can't have music without intervals and intervals you can't see them and you can't hear them you could only feel them wow so an interval is my work and this is an interval four okay so I'll get more and more into this balancing of a polarity yes you got two notes what's in between an interval if you think of pianos that's black keys those are intervals there are half notes mm-hmm there's an infinite amount of those what's half there's an infinite amount of those half yes yes well there's also quarters yes quarters yeah yeah yeah 8 12 so and you found the interval between the six and the set the eight that's an interval yeah and then that's nobody's ever found that so so I thought I'd do a little sacred geometry I was going to do it at the very start but I think I got involved with this being in front of me that I just kind of didn't start like I wanted okay so I'm going to talk about this form you see in front of you here is sacred geometry and why a sacred geometry is because it had nothing to do with mathematics that no abstraction it came from sacred geometry sacred geometry consists of three things a pencil a straight edge and a compass this is the first compass in the world it's a twig with a branch wow this is how it started to make a perfect circle this makes a perfect circle every single time now the egyptians four thousand years ago they would take two people and they've tied a rope between them around their waist and one would go around the other that's how you see wow and then when he got over where he started there's this guy's turn and he went around the other way wow yeah and they came two circles so this little guy here all you have to do is take your son or daughter down on the beach and find an old dead stick around with the branch off it break it off and put it in the sand and you can draw the most fantastic sacred geometry in the world without using a ruler you just need another stick so i decided you know to really show this i thought i would put kind of an end on here so it's now got something i can mark well if i i'm going to show you everything i'm going to show you a whole thing based on this stick all you need is a stick mm-hmm with a branch one little branch off it so if i draw a circle here awesome i mean easy but it's hard to keep that point you know what i did i put a an eraser on the end of my compass oh it didn't yeah it didn't move around so yeah we're gonna have kind of a mess here for a while maybe you know it still moves around but if i draw one circle here see i want to use this stick to show you that this is all you need yeah okay so if i draw if i go across here means i took a bunch of points yes center points and connect them that makes the line that's the first thing comes into the world is a line the point is in a dimension that's the first dimension okay anyway so then if i go out here and i do it again if i draw another circle okay i forgot this guy uh okay this is known as one okay one that's the first i meant one but here there's something else going on because right in between these two we have another line and we want to know what that line is so you know i get freehand but i if i use the stick this is how i would do it right i use a stick now this is accurate if i had done it a little better with a a real compass a real compass okay this is consciousness this is the sign of consciousness and this is polarity and in between here is the interval okay so okay okay so the the polarities are the two separate ends of a compass and the interval is in between them that's right so this should be one and it is my stick to one so that means that there's something else going on in here okay that is going to happen because this is accurate all right so if i make a stick as long as this one here this is supposed to be more accurate but if i bring this to a point now a point i mean it is i'm kind of disappointed that's not as accurate as i wanted but i had the tetrahedron with the cube yeah yeah yeah there's this one but i had one in a cube well anyway believe me that this red line okay the tetrahedron in the cube right down there yeah i had one with the stick it remember oh yeah it's right here i got it it's right here here we go well that's not that that's okay but i had one i could remove the stick nope not over there this one but i had one that you could take the stick out of it here it is okay let's see if this is any closer i hope it is because i'd like to get this even though i used that that's a little shorter okay so if i'm telling you this is perfect except my stick isn't i think the reason is is because i added the eraser and the circle got a little smaller or bigger if i don't add the eraser let's see what it what it was like oh yeah with the eraser got a little bit might have been a little bit smaller uh-huh see there we go if i make the circle correct yeah without that eraser on it yeah then the red becomes smaller but that's because of this instrument yeah yeah maybe i should do it again let's see oh they're not gonna you're gonna go off the paper i think we won't maybe we won't that'll be all right well no that won't work and go uh sure let's do another one no try try to put the point there put about here maybe there yeah okay now remember this is what the stick i'm twig i got off the beach yeah okay all right now let's see let's see if this gets any better there it is now there it is okay i can see we just had a twig problem we had the eraser at the end yeah eraser problem is that does that can you see that that's accurate and what does that tell us okay what does that tell us that tells us that that distance is exactly between these two points in a cube ah remember we had this this part this part see how it's accurate yeah yeah yeah and that line brings in the third dimension that's how you get the third dimension and that's where all these photonic forms come from you can see it that i had that little stick in there that's how you get the third dimension yeah so the so the first is this line the first is the line that's the first dimension the first is the line yeah and then the second the second so you want to know where the second is all right let me show you this is the second dimension okay it's a plane like a watch watch this yes look that's the same size yes same size as my circle right okay is that right yeah the plane the plane is and then here's the line on that circle that we were just yeah see the red line and the red line is the third dimension the red line is the third dimension because it can fit in the is this in the cube the cube it's the diagonal in a cube it's a diagonal in the cube and it's an owner abstractly is route three route three this is one so that's route three so where's route two is the plane no no no no route one is this yes well that's one oh one one where's route two yes where's route two is is this red line no no that's route three that's route three see and look how i have that route three see look at yeah isn't that great it's great yeah i did that with a stick yeah so what i'm trying to tell you here is that this is secret where's the route two okay let me just show you one more thing and i'll tell you where it is okay so look at this there's route three again see that see how it is so if i go like this watch this now there's route three yeah right on that's magic that's absolutely sacred unbelievable who did this this has been known for thousands of years okay route two all right now i drew this one here i'm not going to try to make this accurate okay but it is accurate this distance right here is one all right if you take this distance up here and this distance up here and you draw it across it makes a perfect square yes that's route two uh route two is so route two is the diagonal on a plane square square yeah that's amazing okay isn't that amazing this is a stick you know i got off the beach that's amazing so that's why it's been able to be done for thousands of years because thousands and thousands of years don't give me a break it only all those abstraction all I need is an old stick off the beach and your son or daughter can make these circles and make these circles and make these circles now and what's the significance of of one route two and route three in terms of how it applies to our everyday life it is what everyday life is made of well that's a good question that you have to find your own answer to okay so i'm i'm going to do something else that i this is to me this is amazing now i don't have to do the eraser again okay because maybe that's a little bit better so if i draw a circle i make a point here's the point and i draw a circle and a lot of you know this already yeah that's good yeah yeah not bad huh yeah pretty good okay so if i go like this for a twig off the beach what's that for a twig off the beach and with an old eraser on the thing yeah and some magic marker thing but if i go around this remember this is the same distance here yeah okay okay oh i see we're okay that thing's still trying to come off won't be as accurate as i would like but i want to use the stick because it's important to realize that sacred geometry is all about this stick anyway it's supposed to be out in the same simplicity yeah yeah okay now okay so we made six markings around the six markings are perfect if i made them all perfect see how that didn't quite make it that's very close that's because of the where the compass was there is okay now and sacred geometry is has a moral force and what i mean by that is that the compass is a moral compass and why that is is because you can't cheat you can't lie it's a truth absolute truth so if i make another circle around here like this you know it should and it should be something like this right oh ha look look how it's there yeah yeah uh this thing is i go around or like that okay that's about right yep everybody sees that huh we did that already all right i'm going to do it again you're intersecting another circle with the yeah so this is exactly huh yeah okay so i'm going to do it again so there is no cheating or lying it's only true no cheating no no cheating everything wherever a line crosses is where you put the compass yeah yeah you can't cheat this this kind of work changes your dream life if you do it so there's your dream life yeah i don't change your dream life well how does it change our dream life it makes it if you have unlawful type of dreams oh wow nightmares whatever yeah let's take care of that ron you should uh do some of this practice just this now this is what a kid can do okay so if i go around all these points yeah and i'm not going to be real accurate because i'm using this stick but you know in the sand oh it's right on i mean you don't have this eraser thing it's right on in the sand in the play box or in the mud whatever and that's the so here we go and that's what you're showing right now is let's make sure the n d i's on it is okay excellent and what well yep there it is what we google searched yeah there it is see see this this little star here that's the one right in the middle there that's this one and so that's the flower but i made this with a stick okay made it with the stick i made it with the stick so you can see this all right see see the circle that's important that you see him i haven't put all the circles in i mean after all i'll be here all day with a stick but there are six circles right with one in the center that's seven ah six circles with one in the center six markings on the edges one middle yeah yeah there's many there's seven okay so and that's this is the main this is the flower of life what you've made and then the more that you make markings you can keep going from here make another circle that's right you could only put this compass point okay that point where two lines cross where two lines cross here you can only keep going from here from here that's right and then what is this repeating pattern of the flower of life if you keep repeating this out okay yes this makes seven circles if i do what alan said to do i will get 12 other circles okay well and 12 and seven are 19 19 19 is a big deal 19 is a big deal but 19 is the flower of life this is the seed of life we went from one to seven to 19 if we do another layer 19 what and obviously seven is the amount of sides on a chestahedron yes and then what's 19 why is that such an important well um i'm gonna i'm gonna stick with this because it's simpler okay yeah this is that you said this is the seed of life this is a seed and 19 is the flower of life yes okay okay so um wherever these i think it's best if i mark you can really see with the yellow what i'm talking about here with the sacred geometry do that okay okay wait wait let's keep it a little longer for for the viewers yes okay find my stick here's my stick okay so this is what's really neat is if i if i connect these points if it was really accurate you can see that one's accurate you can see what i'm doing this is cool okay okay i know what you're thinking without erasure there's a six-pointed star yeah so this six this six-pointed star is by continuing to take the where where the uh the edge that these edges these wherever two lines cross wherever two lines cross and then you and you're making a line from where two lines cross to the exact yeah opposite to the okay that's right now not only not only that but i can do this and i hope you don't mind if i do it freehand i want to do it freehand and make it quick yes okay i'll do the best i can okay and then you're connecting those yes okay okay so from here to here it's from here to here yeah so you're what you're showing us right now is the exact cross section right there yeah exact yeah now that's amazing yeah yeah that the chest to hateman would have this in the center yeah that means you're on to it oh my gosh what is this all about so what i did was this i i took the my bigger compass here interesting so the cross section of the tetrahedron is the uh the seed of life that's right that's that's that's cool or what yeah yeah this is getting better all the time so if i draw a circle around this okay you know if it was accurate you know oh here oh here's your bigger uh here's your bigger uh compass yeah so all right so anyway these compasses are so cool these oh this is a this is a really cool compass instead of most compasses have a most compass have a uh oh you know what it is it's the wrong top oh okay yeah yeah you got it uh most compasses have a i love it all right they have a a a bar here with a screw and you can go like this oh yeah to adjust and it goes like that right yes this doesn't do that this does this and they wouldn't even want to get it really accurate you use this and this moves the pen wow oh it's much more accurate than anything on the planet yeah yeah yeah anyway that's why i have it because i have to be very accurate in my work okay so you drew us another circle around where these are for yeah keep explain that why why'd you do that one and now what do you mean this last this last circle that you yeah it's a main thing to realize is that is a circle yes and that helps you get it accurate okay and when they show the seed of life okay they don't have this out here but they have a circle around this you know what i mean yeah it's like this one here see what's this is the fruit this is the fruit of life that's behind here this big one and it has a circle around it fruit or flower huh fruit slash and this is the fruit or seed of life okay and this is the flower of life okay okay now to make this all you have to do is connect all these points which we talked about okay so this is the most recognized as the most sacred of all sacred geometry this one why this has this has been found in places that are 10 000 years old they're in the they're in the temples uh in Egypt they're in the pyramids you'll see these they're all throughout the Renaissance and the churches everything well this is sacred okay so it's interesting that the hetrihedron goes in a cube at route three yeah at route three yeah yeah and the and so does the hetrihedron what do you think they were what do you think they were onto yes yes the hetrihedron also fits in at route three frank what do you what do you think they were onto 10 000 years ago the the um the ancient civilizations why did they have the flower of life inside of their art and as part of their lives because it was really fun to draw it was great that it could put all these circles together and it was not only that what it was beautiful but it affected you it affects you yes it affects your like i said it affects your dream life it affects the moral forces in you the moral let me how do you think okay yeah you'd be more moral buddy or my kids i want you to be more i want you to go to school how the hell are you going to teach your kid to do that but this is something tangible okay that can actually practice and give them something that's the hands on that goes in here and it comes from the feeling life and i will show you more and more how this is in the feeling life the feeling yes correct yes okay all right so this is also something i like to show and what i can do is i can i can use this and you take some q-tips and you dip them in rubber cement and when you do that just stick together kind of neat you know i mean you can let go and there they are so like that and what i'm gonna do is i'll put six of them together because that makes a hexagram doesn't it hey i'm i'm still thinking about how you said that doing flowers of life can help with children and morality that's very interesting the compass is really morality the compass is the moral compass you keep talking about a moral compass on the internet on the new compass morning what the hell they don't even know what they're talking about they think it's a compass that's on the boat it's not of course you could also use it that way because it's also you know so if i take the hexagram yeah i'm gonna put another one here why is the pentagon the pentagon say what is that again oh a question from the audience or from you ron yes joe putting from cleveland ohio asks why is the pentagon the pentagon why is the you i think the united states pentagon the yes that's a yes why is why do you think the united states chose to make the pentagon a pentagon no i don't know if i have an answer it's good to it's good to hear i mean i know about the pentagram and i can tell you about it and i'll show you right here how it's related to this chef to hedger so it could be part of sacred geometries why it's a oh absolutely oh my gosh yes yeah see what were you going to show with that well no i just have to set this down because i need to get um this this uh stick here out of here so i can break it i need to have something i can break okay okay so here's here's the pentagram i haven't got it done yet but almost now it's a good question i want to answer it okay so i could hold this up oh yeah yeah so that's what we've been drawing here this except i put the lines in here but the reason i put the lines in here to show you that root three is the distance between two equilateral triangles perfect well let's say is that right am i correct that is the distance between two equilateral triangles am i right same distance all the way around same distance as root three so if i go back to the circles here if i draw a line from here to here here's root three and i connect this line this line this line this line they're equal triangles they're just like these call me draw that uh huh is that are we okay well we we also let's we also i mean root three is two equilateral triangles i just want root three is two equal three is okay two equilateral triangles okay okay all right so if i put the root three in the middle of this pentagram like that in the middle it makes a perfect cube yes all those 12 edges are the same length that's fantastic look that's what's inside here there's a cube in the middle of the chest of hedron you can't see it that doesn't mean it's not there that's the sacred part of sacred geometry is the parts that you can't see they're there but you can draw and find out that they are there prove it this is amazing okay oh i did that i wanted to do that now so i put this form into a circle like this one see this circle right here that's this circle see this big triangle here that's this one i mean it's hard for you to see but allen can tell you that it's true you can see the lines i've scratched in you see those lines that are yeah yes etched in yes i hope you can see it i don't know if we just did we just did we showed okay now also can you see these lines i drew in there very nice okay all right i love it okay think you can see them yeah all right okay so i put these uh yellow highlight marks and that's where i put the chest of hedron there there there there there right there is where the chest of hedron is going through this plate yes okay so the yellow marks is where the chest of hedron is entering through the plate so the yellow marks right here is where the chest of hedron is going through the plate that's where it makes a six yes this is based on six okay and that's where it's going through yes so the chest of hedron is going through here all six points yes see the camera is there so now i can show the like this can you see the six-pointed star good no good ron's doing it yep okay i got it so this is the seat of light and the chest of hedron is going through exactly where the six pointed star is that you saw where you saw here okay okay now when i look at this chest of hedron in there it's not in the middle the distance from here to the base isn't as high as from the the sphere or the disc to the top top this difference is bigger see that same thing here from here to the top yeah there it's a good one it's greater otherwise from the green line down is a lot shorter than from the green line up yes no question yes so i had to deal with this for a long time like why is this i don't like it i want it in the middle i can't cheat whatever so i had to live with it and i lived with it for quite a while like a year or so also see the cube i put in there that's what's in there see the cube so you know there is a cube based on what i did here with the with the two with the q tips and you know that those are the holes of the smaller six pointed star inside which is this is sacred geometry okay so i lived with this for a while until one day i decided well i think what i'm going to do is i'm going to put this in a sphere yes and i wanted to get that sphere the same size as the disc and touch the top can you see the top right there it's touching yeah yeah okay so if i take the other half of this sphere and put it on since it's not as tall all three points touch all these three points down here touch the sphere as well as the top and that's why it's not exactly in the middle because it's chestahedron is supposed to be in the middle of the sphere and the six pointed star is supposed to be in the middle of the equator and it's also being supposed to be in the middle of the chestahedron now that is magic yeah that is that's unheard of who would ever have thought so then so then in in another uh so why this is magic then is because this is like earth and that's right see you're getting ahead of me yes that's exactly right now it won't come apart yeah correct and so the so the this um the the six pointed star is at the equator that's right six pointed stars at the equator that's right and then the chestahedron is uh has the perfect touch points with the edge of the sphere four points that touch the sphere also and keeps it in the center so that the center of the chestahedron in the sphere has a six pointed star right in the middle and right at the equator is a cube right at the equator is a cube see the cube in there right at the center in the equator is a cube yes now if i take the sphere and i put it into a cube okay if i take a sphere and put it into a cube the outside of the sphere touches the very center of the uh right where the of the plane yeah that's right remember how these were hitting okay so that's the best way to explain that um all right you can see that the cube is is right in the center and that there's a there's a six pointed star inside the cube there is a six pointed star inside the cube there's also a six sided cube into the chestahedron if i put a sphere inside that little box that little cube in there the little cube i put a sphere in there so that the edges of the sphere touch the faces of the cube and i measure that in relationship to the outside that sphere in the middle side is the size of the core of the earth you go measure it you go any encyclopedia or any website whatever you'll see the size the the the the cube in the very center is proportionate to the size of our the core of the planet yes that the sciences have found and some scientists so some in the neverlands that says that the the sphere in the center isn't really accurate it's actually a cube in the center it's a cube in this yeah this is this is scientific evidence that has nothing to do with my work but my work shows why okay so i'm gonna put this over here yeah okay yeah i can take it too okay now pick up the chestahedron here's the chestahedron here and at the top of the chestahedron there's a triangle in the bottom there's a triangle so i have a black rubber band you see that black rubber band okay if i bring that black rubber band down and the one on the bottom up yes it will turn into right at the right point which is right here with the chestahedron it makes a perfect six point star six point star yes and this is showing you how that works now the most the most important thing to realize is this is that when the when the triangle that comes down and the triangle that comes up twists in opposite directions they go like this yes yes i'm so excited for this part friend you still move so well i love it i love it here's the chestahedron in the earth yeah and these points right here all touch land masses and this of course touches the south pole so i did a whole bunch of studies on maps to find out where all these different lines were and it's very interesting interesting it's right well well at least from what it looks like one touches one touches around rome one touches around uh denver one touches around tokyo yeah one touches uh kansas this is where dorthy came from that's where all the hurricanes go right oh oh that's right oh because that one's kind of moving a little bit in the center of the us so if i don't know that thing it shouldn't be moving but if it's around kansas that's kansas that's kind of interesting where dorthy was which kansas is a very massive tornado alley yeah and all you have to do is to follow that line right up and it goes right where tornado it goes and then what happens it hits kansas and it turns that direction and going on internet look you can follow the tornado go follow the edges follow the edges follow the yellow brick road interesting so you can follow the the edges follow the edges of of of the but then what about the other edges where it goes up through well what about the other edges where oh there's very interesting i did a uh studies of the east coast of asia yeah like one's on the east coast of asia yeah because see some of these are sucking and some of them are under pressure some depending on which line you follow one is pressure one is suction opposites polarities sure sure okay just like within the heart the pressure and the suction yes interesting so then it could be part of the ring of fire here with the vote it is the ring of fire all you have to do is lay it out on a map the ring of fire goes across here on that line what about the one that is coming through kind of like a i don't know some of that some of it's interesting i can't explain everything but yeah you know okay and then the other ones and after all i mean you know what i'm stating is pretty you know uh be weird be happy it says over there well i'm being weird and being happy yeah yeah yeah so okay so what i did here is i put that chest of heated into a sphere and i cut a hole in the bottom of the chest of hadron and the reason i do that is because if i take the chest of hadron and i spin it makes a hole oh and this is where we have the second part of that video do you want the the yeah not quite okay not yet with the bell okay let's see that hole i made that hole in there uh-huh see i'm not guessing okay so when you spin a chest a chest of hadron what are we what are we seeing when you spin this well when you when you spin it then you're seeing that the earth is turning okay and so there is a triangle on the top of this form that turns into a circle okay and that circle has a relationship to the sphere of the earth because these points touch all right so what i did was is i find to find the cone that would fit in that don't spill it yet for the bell we'll wait till the bell okay here we go okay if i drop a cone into here i made the red part right there you could see that it comes through little red point hits there so this cone right here is what goes from the top of that circle to the point okay so if i take this apart i want to it has scotch tape on it i want to take it apart because there's something amazing here going on again that is amazing i don't know how to get this thing off but that scotch tape works really good anyway keep teaching i'll get this off to get this cone into a point i had to make a little one okay yeah yeah great thank you okay now this is amazing this is what's so amazing about this form look at this i put this in here right look at that all right so i made another cone where these two these three touch and these three touch can you see that yes huh yes so you this cone touches three actually touches six points right and take this out same cone uh-huh no this is amazing who would have ever thought that was the same size cone uh-huh so what it means is is that there's a cone that goes around this as the earth is spinning uh that is parallel to each other look they're parallel uh-huh okay so that means there's can be energy that comes in and energy that comes out okay so it can go in and out yes yes yes okay okay now which is one of the reasons why we uh now here we go here comes some more of this stuff that drives lots of people not because i'm it you have to have this bi-directional yeah bi-directionality that's right like an earth like a heart has to have bi-directionality okay now this is amazing you're watching more stuff coming here put it back together it's back together you see this ring right here that makes from the cone it's exactly the size of that ring oh yeah yeah those rings are the same size which is what's uh it's a balanced flow here those rings oh the aurora yeah the aurora yeah for us yeah now it's interesting because this is the aurora at the north pole yep the south pole okay never in any of the aurora pictures that you see is this ever is there ever a flash of any kind of light that goes in the middle yeah never uh on the other end you have the light that goes across uh-huh why because this point is here oh and it's flowing across into the other cone which is about right here right and it's coming out and you know this is the other size of the larger cone underneath and that's where the aurora borealis is between the top cone and the bottom cone and that's why it gets lined up like this and it gets swerved over more as an oval interesting so that the the chest thehedron in the center has of of earth has even uh has to do with the auroras yeah it does the way that the earth breathes exactly now here's the thing about this is that the scientists don't know they don't know this they cannot figure out there's in any explanation for this opening at the top being all black with a ring around it and the bottom part with a ring that doesn't the aurora doesn't go on the outside of it but stays inside no one can explain that no one i've looked and looked and looked and looked okay so these are pretty subjective speculations but it's based a little bit on a lawfulness too there's a little there's my form is lawful so some of the things that i can explain lawfully other people can't you can't you can't dispute that you can't dispute those cones sorry yeah they're honest it's a moral presentation this is not immoral all right because they're reproducible over and over again yes this is all about it and why is this all about it because this is the human heart geometry this is all about the heart you guys if i take the cetahedron and i tell you that it's that sits in the body like this you're gonna say no heart looks like this the geometry doesn't look like this but geometry is the way that you design something it's not the end result between the idea and a result of a manifestation in our law on our world there's a design there's a drawing all right and if i take this and i blow a bubble in this this is what it looks like if you take it and blow a bubble in it yeah yeah all i have to do is dip this into soap you could do it at home dip it in a soap blow a bubble and this is what the bubble looks this is called minimum surfaces this is the way nature tries to become a sphere when it's just geometry is straight lines all geometric forms and this one especially all of them cubes whatever are all trying to become a sphere it's called minimum surfaces this is the shape of the left ventricle the human heart and we have a the eight that eight I have a video around a picture here of the human heart and this is the left ventricle this is the right ventricle and we have this too which is the digital asset oh my gosh yes I've got this Ron can you pause it quick too at the very end maybe you can wait a little bit before you show that okay okay then let's keep going here then yeah wait a little bit on that okay all right all right so if I cut off the left ventricle here of the right ventricle and I'll remove it I'll hold this quick this is what's left this is the human heart and this is the form that he's that Alan is holding so there is an any geometry that I've seen and I've studied this cardiac cardiac studies that heart researchers do on trying to explain what the geometry is behind the human heart and the closest they come up is with a form they call a prolate but this the prolate has a point on both ends this doesn't this is flat across just like this so that's one thing that you can't say that uh that the geometry isn't organic it is it can be organic on a natural process but just the left ventricle you said not this is a left ventricle and what about the right well the right is of just a hedron that has collapsed on one side and it hugs this one okay and I have geometry studies showing that okay how that worked okay one of the reasons one of the ways I figured out this was the heart because I I didn't find out it was a heart for seven eight years I study study study right I saw a model of a heart and I noticed that the at the apex this is called the apex this is called the base at the apex it had kind of three ridges at the bottom and then when the ridge came up it flattened out then I knew I might be on it I might be on something so the next thing I did was I tried to find out that this uh the heart this is the heart this is the geometry of the inside and the outside of the heart if you put this into a cube it's at root three as as you know and it sits in the body like this oh it does yes and so it's not so it does sit at this root three angle it doesn't sit up look at that look how it sits sitting at a root three angle like that it sits at root three interesting so this is the apex and this is the base and that is an angle of root three and why is it why would the whoever did this why would they center that root three and the reason is because root three is the balance I'll show you here root three is the balance between forward and backwards right and left and the top and bottom not root two root two is two-dimensional the heart sits in the angle like this and no heart explanational process that's ever been developed has shows that the heart sits at anything else than root three and why because it was in the cube why because it was a tetrahedron that was spun okay and the tetrahedron is known as warmth okay and the tetrahedron uh the chest of hedon is between a cube and an octahedron the cube is earth and the octahedron is air the heart sits in the middle of the chest below the lungs mm-hmm the octahedron is known as the kidneys so the heart sits between the kidneys and the lungs geometrically in the platonic forms I had nothing to do with inventing let me know when you're ready for that video too now this is the geometry of the inside of the heart so the inside of the heart looks like looks like that like this one here mm-hmm now remember this is the inside of the heart this is where this is the blood really the heart is really got a cavity and this is what's in the cavity and what happens and that this is in the research I've got a website you can go to called artistic science and in there I have research done by cardiologists researchers that say well why is it that the top doesn't move the midsection moves and the apex doesn't hardly move at all yeah yeah that's great look yeah that's these two circles going from the top to the bottom that this is very important everyone unbelievable could you see the six point star yeah this isn't this isn't this is coming from this work it's not coming from me I'm not making this stuff up this is what the okay this form is a communication device and it in a way speaks to me it tells me once I find something in it that there's something else also and then there's something else also bum bum bum bum bum that's right bum bum heartbeat heartbeat bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum the only thing that this doesn't show this one is that this spins like that oh yeah correct it spins now you can show this okay great now we can show the video as we're we're explaining um the bump bump bump bump of the heartbeat um I want to have um in this asset that's coming up this was at Frank's house when Brock took us over there and and you can see the bump bump bump bump and Ron why don't you go ahead and pause it like right around yeah sure all right yeah yeah so the the green one is this one that was just holding up oh yeah yeah where it's um here yeah okay yes this is the green one and it's bowed out and you can see the geometry behind it see it all right can you stop it come stop it all right so this is the bowed out one this is the chest of Hadron this one here is this one you can see the triangle here yeah it's up at the top and it's got this big spike like this which is really two equilateral triangles stretched out so as you turn this this spins and this goes up and down a little bit but not much you know the outside goes up and down a little bit not much it doesn't twist like this yeah look it doesn't twist yeah not much no not much yeah barely any there's basically the form of the chest of Hadron is just what enables it to go just barely enough of a I've said geometry the sacred geometry the sacred geometry just barely enabling of our human heart yeah yeah now show this is this one that Alan's showing in minimum surfaces so that's the shape of the blood okay and that's the shape of the outside of the heart and that's the inside of the heart okay let's see if we can get it to turn the outside of the heart and the inside of this okay that's a hollow space inside yeah awesome and then Ron's playing it again Ron's playing it again for us yeah boom and there's the how it goes out a little bit this one twists look this one goes blows out just a little bit yeah and this one twists is that cool or what yeah now this happens this pulsation it happens nine tenths of a second throughout your whole life it happens in nine tenths of a second every second every second you get about two and a half billion heart beats in a lifetime now this is really cool 82 that this design of this heart is based on sacred geometry all of these drawings here are done with that stick okay it wasn't done with that big compass I had it was done with a stick and I refined it with this with the big compass okay but basically all this comes from sacred geometry no measurements there are no rulers there's just straight sticks now the heart is a lot of people now are saying the heart is in a pump I don't know if you've heard this but a lot of people say that the heart doesn't pump the blood okay okay well and what does it do okay tell me it's not a pump okay well what is it so from according to my research this speaks to me like I told you this speaks to me now when this this is pretty good we could come back to it again do you want to do the bell now I want to do the bell now okay that's the second half of that yeah great okay this is really cool because it shows the chest of hebron there it is and then it it comes out of the of the big one once it reaches its point where it's like this the blue part is like this yeah right there it will come out it comes out yep and then it goes over here top view nice huh yep and then I had him spin it yes and when you spin it it turns into a bell it turns into a bell okay yes and of course then I made some a design of a bell and that's the design I made on top of the bell but this is the bell so the chest of hebron when it spins it turns into a bell now and what is the purpose of yeah of that bell this is what happened I found this and this really changed everything for me I found this photograph of a temple in Egypt and this is called the temple of Hathor how do I spell that Hathor? Hathor Hathor H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H- H-A-P-O-R Hathor? I'm not sure I think it's H-A-P-O-E-R it was Hathor temple Hathor I have been talking so much and I have a dry mouth and you have water right there I start Hathor H-A-T-H-H-O-R okay I have time hard time pronouncing some of my words after I talk for a long time interesting when we have the NDI if you want to show it here it is I did okay great and the top of this is her temple is a birthing temple where women go to give birth at 4000 years ago okay and they go into this temple and on the ceiling there is a princess and the princess face her arms are coming down here her body is here bends in her legs her feet oh okay and she is known okay Ron as yeah yeah the arms on the on the right side and she's bending over and the legs are on the left side and it's a bent over with the arms down there yeah okay okay so she uh the goddess is called princess Newt and Newt swallows the moon and nine months later it gives birth to the sun oh wow and from the sun all these bells come down to a cube so immediately I knew that my form made these bells oh the bell is uh the birth the bell is the heart is the heart we incarnate with our heart not with our fingers not with our ears not with our kidneys we incarnate into this world into an embryo through the heart that's what carries our karma that's what carries our goals that carries our plans the human heart which we're talking about here with the chest of hedron so I mean look at these where were these where were these these are the bells on large oh those are the bells this I enlarge this piece oh I see what you did so you could see that these are bells yes these are human hearts incarnating oh wow yeah okay now you're gonna say oh my guy is really nuts because now look what he's saying we like the the more nuts the better more nuts than ever now so the thing is is that we incarnate with our heart so that means that therefore okay what we take in our heart in this life is what we take out and what we bring back in to do again wow now so be very vigilant with what is that be very vigilant and careful with what you take into your heart in this life yeah and what you do in your life the moral part of your life is this is affecting because this is an interval and the intro is between polarity and polarities is everything that we experience on this earth is all polarities I mean I'm not kidding you there isn't a thing so the life and the death are the are the polarities and the interval is the time in the in between it's hard is it's hard yes okay it's the organ that balances polarities it's not polarities not a pump so here if you if you find my compass again wherever it went here it is an organ that balances polarities this is a moral compass it has the polarities everything on earth is polarities and intervals and what and intervals and an interval between them and this is where we live this is our life from here to here wow this is in our life this is in our life this is birth this is death but in this interval is what we do here on our planet and what we have to do is try to find the interval in our life to be able to balance these and what does that is a human heart the human heart balances polarities and is an interval and it's an interval between octahedron and the cube it's an interval between the lungs and the kidneys remember that the heart takes up there are six six lobes in the human heart well one of those lobes the heart takes so there's five left so this interval right here if we get our heart stuck on this side or on this side we have what we know as heart attacks and these heart attacks are either congestive they're both congestive but this one gets big this one shrinks and that depends on what side you're on if you're going to be stuck on a polarity you better find some way to get out of it because everything on this earth is set up to be polarities that's why the earth is known as what is different what's different between this side and this side and what's different between you is the heart in the middle of the cube yeah and what is it doing it's spinning like this yes it's going to this side and it goes to this side less than one second your entire life nine tenths of a second boom boom boom boom yes boom and now you could actually explain some of these things that people talk about uh in their meditations and in whatever whatever that they do now this is more subjective even though some people maybe think it's too subjective but remember that the human heart is balancing between the subjective and the objective it's balancing between math and art and in between here is the combination and Einstein said that the highest form of math is art and the highest form of art is mathematical yes he's saying here this is the interval so what we have to do in this life is to work with the interval and help it balance everything that's different good and bad male and female all the opposites that are all throughout our life from birth to death the human heart is trying to balance we go back to one and only on earth can you do this and only on earth can you develop a capacity only on earth can you develop the heart and on the other side you can't help develop the heart but you can plan for how you can develop and then you can incarnate and there's one philosopher that says that the human heart before it incarnates are spinning bells at high speeds going all over the place looking for the right parents right environment right situation wow for your for its development and the heart the heart itself and that's another reason why i like this so much as if these egyptians had clairvoyance we don't we've lost the water oh we lost it and you know we were lost it for a good reason because we needed to develop our senses we needed to develop our thinking our feeling our willing we needed to develop our senses and we couldn't do that during this time because everything was coming through us now things have to come from us so the human heart okay is what allows all this to happen and you choose your parents you choose the environment that you come into because you got certain things to do that certain environments can help okay and that's what we're looking for you come with a mission into playground earth we do now this is what's really cool the heart enters the embryo okay mm-hmm about two weeks two weeks into about two weeks into the after inception yeah and the heart okay is outside the body just like this the heart's outside of the body when it's first outside the embryo oh wow and then it enters in wow underneath the chin like this and then enters in but before that the heart's out here it's coming in oh before the body okay already has blood and veins in it that are pulsating without the heart mm-hmm and then wow the blood and you're in the embryo is 100% independent of the mother's blood that blood is the baby's blood has nothing to do with the mother that's your that's your blood that's your heart that's your blood and what goes through the heart is the blood and that's what's driving the heart is the blood the heart isn't driving the blood the blood is driving the heart okay and all of this is coming from what this geometry tells me it talks to me in a way that i can understand geometrically what possibilities are i mean they don't even know the geometry of the bell i took this to a bell expert he about he about fell off his chair when i spun it he says we don't we we're russians and we know the the best we but we we make the best bells i said well how'd you do it then you didn't have this he says trial and error this is not trial and error yeah so this is what i do so and i have some other things about the human heart that's really neat i figured out how the blood runs through the heart okay what's amazing is the blood comes into the heart clockwise and leaves counterclockwise opposite you see that i mean by polarities clockwise counterclockwise coming out of our heart how this jet the heat room look i figured out how to do that there's no gears in here there's no pulleys there's not a bunch of springs there's there there's uh pulleys or gears or so come so coming in i'm saying clockwise coming in going out yes in out here in out and this is twice the size is this and yet the speed that goes through the heart coming in and going out of the same speed at this is half the size of this so our heart captures our karmic what happens in the in the life and stores it for the next it carries the the life it carries the life because it's between birth and death and between us is life an interval is life an interval is life between birth and death and what is accumulated through experience to the heart carries on through spirit into next absolutely it doesn't go out through your liver what is the brain's role in the interval of right uh well the brain is an interval okay the heart is brain is is an organ is an organ yeah i mean even though the heart is an organ but the heart has the heart is more the feeling life where the brain is more conception perception it's more the thinking realm okay and the heart's on the feeling realm the heart is in the soul realm this is soul have the soul and this is the thinking realm so and this out here is the will oh it's this this is what i do my will is driving i have a very strong will and the and the chest the hedron being inside of being inside of earth this is the earth's heartbeat that's right now you go on the internet put in aurora borealis and there are some aurora borealis images from outer space that nasa has taken that shows the aurora and the the the the earth is quite small and the aurora at the top is moving like this this is so perfect the aurora is moving counterclockwise clockwise counterclockwise clockwise counterclockwise look at it right there the aurora moves like this as well it has also wow it has a pulse we just interviewed in nasa was that we we just interviewed a nasa astronaut that spent 50 days in space and we should have asked uh if we would have known now we will know great now we know to ask about this way though oh you gotta do is go on internet shows it a video of oh yeah shows it doing this and that's the heartbeat of the earth it is you see another thing that the form has taught me that the scientists who i don't know if they agree or disagree i don't know but the aurora okay that you see okay is coming out of the heart coming out of the of the earth and not coming in it comes in through the black hole but it leaves so the aurora that you see okay is leaving that's not entering the aurora is always leaving always no it comes in comes in uh-huh then it hits the bottom of the point it goes across and back up so when you see this aurora here it's coming out of the earth this one yes this one is still in the center reaching to go up out well this isn't coming in this is going out did you have any idea the chest of hedron was related to the heart and to the earth and uh did you have any inkling and the and did you have any bites of that it was showing you that or was it all all this has come from me yeah yeah i don't have a mentor that's teaching me yes yes the the mentor i have is a chest of hedron yeah that's my mentor you were finding the seven by finding the seven i had no clue what it was it took me i think it took me seven to eight years before i even had an inkling that was a heart and then i've been working 12 years on on is it the heart yeah seven eight years to even find the chest of hedron and then about 12 years to figure out that it has to deal with the heart and the earth well this get evidence to get evidence to get evidence um uh the chest of hedron you know i have a lot of people i have some people that say it's not accurate i have mathematics in my book that shows it's exactly accurate i mean i'll be all these things that come at you and so i'm sticking my neck out right well i don't care the hell i don't care if i stick out my neck disprove me come on tell me where i'm wrong i want give me some advice yeah i get zero yeah and i'm not a nut you know i mean i have children uh you know this is geometry this isn't some fantasy thing i'm going through here yeah yeah and you walked us through the twig on the beach and how you can make the seat of life in the flower absolutely i showed you how to make just a twig okay a twig with the branch yeah yeah that's why i'm sorry i i wasn't as accurate as if i use the regular compass but i wanted to emphasize that this is sacred and that's that twig will make perfect circles if it was in the sand not on this piece of paper with an eraser but it did make it it did show it even though i the twig wasn't very accurate that's my fault not the twig uh frank i want to know what you uh what do you what do you think about do you think that the sacred geometries and chestahedrons do you think this is our ticket to having that global unity that we need to work together the secret to that global unity is the heart but it's based on the on that person's soul verses it's a soul organ it's based on that but if the more that you understand the heart in the geometry and actually try to practice it with a stick or a real compass the more it'll make you healthier in your view yeah you'll become more healthy in your thinking not how you're gonna become smarter you're gonna get dumb or what another is that you'll become more healthy so that you can handle the polarities because they're everywhere do not get stuck with one of them know that the heart will help you balance it it's all about you you know the blood is you and it runs through the heart and that's that's going to help this will help humanity in the end somehow yes yes i'm not going to be here when it does but um somehow this geometry came in i uh i almost died of a heart problem i had two brothers that died of heart problems so and my name is chester which is a chest and i call the chest behavior because it's a this is a a hadron a polyhedron in the chest yes yes so i came in one of the things that you look at is to figure out why you came here was the purpose well one of the things that you can do to find out closer to what you came here to do is to look at your parents and find out what they were good at not what they became or what any that kind of stuff they were good at but what they were good at and that's the reason you chose them and that has something to do about your choice but why you came here this there's still so much to to to talk about regarding that oh my gosh oh i could talk forever on this this is what i do this is my life this is my interval i'm living my interval what's what else is good is that you uh even though like you just said that the chest the hadron may uh may it may take time past your lifetime um you've done what you've needed to do with passing this information on to young people will continue awakening and inspiring to this this information oh the heart to the unity to even something as simple as to the twig with the branch to be able to make the flower of life and um the seed of life yeah fruit of life and and and the chest the hedron from that yeah the main thing is to understand here is that all of this that i have done is not traditional this is the future the future isn't looking at the flower of life or whatever it's why that exists is to teach you what happened in the past so you can take that and go into the future this is the future and i've given you ways that i found this that can be applied that i haven't seen anybody apply nobody's taking the chest nobody's taking the platonic forms and spinning them none of nobody's opening them up and i've been doing this for 20 years and i've put everything have 192 videos on youtube to give away my work to try to get people to stop making flower of life and taking crayons or felt pens and coloring them indifferent that's just not it that's not work that's of the past has been left for you for a good reason he the spiritual world left all the nature here the trees animals whatever and they took off they said okay now we'll see what you can do how about giving back to us a little bit that's what i tried to do i'm trying to get back because i can take this across the threshold they don't have this on the other side it can only be developed on earth and that's why it's so important your life is so important because you need to take something back and give back for your life and that has to be done on earth not on some other planet or some other solar system or other galaxy has to be done here on earth where everything is different this is where you can be different and you can be different in a productive way and you can choose anything you don't have to just choose geometry you could choose anything that you can develop yourself and the only thing you can cross the threshold with and go to the other side whenever that happens is your capacity and capacity can only be bought here across this across this you cannot develop your capacity Frank this has been such a fascinating time together i'm really grateful for you i'm so happy that i can share it thank you you've allowed me to share it thank you very much thank you thank you my god very welcome we're very welcome thank you thank you for sharing thank you thank you for sharing everything that you've shared this throughout this conversation um thank you ron for producing and directing we're very grateful for you thank you can i show ron one thing he asked me about the pentagon are you okay with that sure yeah here's the pentagon yes now if i take this one arm of the pentagon here and i slip it under this one i take this one here and go like this it looks like this mm-hmm it's becoming three-dimensional now if i take and slip another one under another arm it's a chest of hedon the chest of hedon is based on the five-pointed star the pentagram these are arms off the pentagram three of the arms three of these arms you take any pentagram you want to draw draw it accurate and take three of these off fold them together you get the chest of hedon and when you take it together and you glue it and you set it down it makes a triangle at the bottom and the same size on the sides there i found other ways to find this this form is outstanding it's unbelievable how much there is and there's still things i haven't shown you that how i also discovered we'll have to have you back there's a there's a lot to there's so much to continue oh i know i know about sacred geometry you've given us so many important pointers and tips that hopefully for other people has resonated this is for other people yes yes correct that's what we do every episode every episode is for others to get engaged and inspired with yes the future frank thank you again so much for coming on the show we're so grateful thanks for putting up with all my talk we loved it we loved it i want to give it again a huge thank you to ron vagus for 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