 call the special town meeting to order. It's, we have recording started, et cetera. So good evening and welcome to the 2020 special town meeting being held virtually by way of the Z-Pato research voting platform. For procedural guidance, we're going to look to the bylaws in the town of Arlington as well as to town meeting time. Please remember to abide by our 48 hour rule. All substitute motions and substantial amendments to motions must be submitted electronically to me no later than 48 hours prior to we're going to hear that article. So if we're going to talk about it Wednesday, you get it to me today. And there'll be very few exceptions to this rule. As you can see, we got some amendments in today. We accepted those because it's the first night of the meeting. And the problem is we do not have the ability to get paper to anyone. So we have to get everything to electronically. Out of consideration to your fellow town meeting members and to allow a full debate, keep your remarks concise and brief as possible so that all members have a fair opportunity to speak. This is especially true in a virtual town meeting. If you have been said once, don't feel the need to say it again. After the debate, I'll confirm that the voting portal is ready with the display control of Mr. Korowski and then declare the voting is open. You should navigate to your voting portal, click one for yes, two for no, and three for abstain and then click cast your vote. Abstentions are not votes and they do not count in any manner. If you're unable to vote for any reason, navigate back to the Zoom portal and use the raise hand feature in Zoom in order to get my attention. If you can't do that and you have to still vote, I'm gonna give you a telephone number to call. We will take your vote on verbally and we'll enter it into your screen. So if you want to write this phone number down, 781-316-3071, gonna repeat that. 781-316-3071. That's Ms. Brazil's telephone number. It'll ring on her desk. It'll ring on her cell phone at home and she'll take your vote and she'll advise us live over the Zoom platform what your vote is and Mr. Korowski will enter it on your behalf. We have already taken our attendance vote. That's our quorum call. So we do have a quorum. We have 243 town meeting members here. That's a great attendance for us. If you have any questions about voting or anything as you would have done in town meeting, go to the voting portal and use the point of order button in order to find out what we're voting on and if you're confused what the vote is or anything of that nature. We're gonna be using a consent agenda that was circulated into your packages last week. We're gonna take that up this evening, first thing. And the votes will be recorded with a visual vote on each of the articles. If you wish to remove an article you're going to use the request to speak and the confirm action button. I know this is different than we did the other day. At the dress rehearsal we used the Zoom raised hand feature. We've eliminated that. One of the main points of help requests that we receive was an issue of people navigating between the two screens and getting lost. So I ended up to eliminate that as much as possible. And with the help of the platform developer he was able to give us a tool in order to make it happen. So if you wanna remove something from the consent agenda use the request to speak button and the confirm your action on this voting platform. We'll see who's removing the article or what who wants to take it off this consent agenda. We'll clear all the hands out we'll go to the next consent agenda item. Also on the other night we used the raised hand feature to second any motions or anything else that had to be seconded. I've worked with Mr. Charles Foskett the head of the finance committee. He is going to second all of our motions for us. So any motion that comes up Mr. Foskett is gonna do us the courtesy and second those so we can do not have to use the raised hand feature in Zoom at all. The only reason you're gonna use that is if you have a problem with voting and that's the only time that will be used for nothing else. On the Zoom, as you'll notice up in the upper left hand corner of your screen, there's a live on custom streaming service tab at the request of the disability commission. We've arranged to have closed captioning system and we've installed that through the work Mr. Korolski for us. If you'd need closed captioning, navigate up to that button, click on it and it'll ask you a question or two answer those and you're gonna get live closed captioning of the meeting. It will open a new portal window, not a portal, I'm sorry. It'll open a new window that you're gonna have to shrink down and make fit so you can see your Zoom window and your voting portal. But you do have the ability to have closed captioning of the meeting at this point. Now, I'd like to take a moment of silence for all Arlingtonians who have passed away in the past year and especially for the family of Chief Warrant Petty Officer, Second Class, Marwan Step, Samar Gabor and for the four other Americans who are among the seven members of the Peacekeeping Force that was killed in the Sinai Peninsula by helicopter crashes last Thursday. Thank you. If you weren't aware Chief Warrant Officer, Gabor was an Arlington native and his parents live in town. So thank you very much. That's gonna end my remarks. Now, we have a five town meeting members, I believe who have not been sworn in. Ms. Weynman, if you could bring up those five folks. Dan Palmer, William Brooks-Harrison, Christian Parron Run, Jill Snyder and Meredith Damola. Oh no, I didn't, this is a big full power. My part, I didn't print out for myself to read the swearing in. So I'm gonna sort of, we get from what I remember. Are they up, Julie? No, this is gonna take me a second. Okay, good, that'll take me a second if I can find it. Excuse me, for one second, I'm gonna step away and get the swearing in paperwork. Okay, John, they have all been allowed to talk and. Jill, Daniel, Brooke Meredith and Christian, if you'll unmute your microphones. I can't see, but I'm gonna believe that you have your right hand raised. Please repeat after me and search your name in the appropriate spot. I. I, Jill Snyder. I, Chris. The Brooks-Harrison and Neil Palmer. We'll participate fully. We'll participate fully. And we'll fairly evaluate all matters before town meeting. And we'll fairly evaluate all matters before town meeting. Man, that sounds so weird. And vote to the best of the interests of the town. The best interests of the town. I support free speech. I support free speech. And we'll treat others with mutual respect. And we'll treat others with mutual respect. And we'll conduct myself in a manner. And we'll conduct myself in a manner. I'll conduct myself in a manner. That is becoming of an elected town meeting member. That is becoming of an elected town meeting member. I do solemnly swear. I do solemnly swear. I do solemnly swear. I do solemnly swear. That I will faithfully and impartially perform the duties incumbent upon me. That I will faithfully and impartially perform the duties incumbent upon me. As a town meeting member. As a town meeting member. the town of Arlington in accordance with the bylaws the town manager act and the general laws of the Commonwealth of Mass so help me God if we were in the hall everybody would clap for you thank you congratulations thank you excuse me mr. moderator yeah two people have a point of order okay oh where's my page I'm sorry everyone I have lost my page okay John Warden you can hear me yes I can mr. Warden thank you mr. Leonie mr. moderator I was gonna ask how one got from where I was to where I where I was a moment ago but I guess I was supposed to hit the launch zoom button but you didn't say that you just assumed everybody knew such an obvious thing yes and as you'll recall mr. Warden when you first start speaking if you'll say your name and precinct for the oh yes mr. Warden John Warden precinct eight anything else mr. Warden not not at the moment but no good thank you very much let's have you mr. Gordon Jameson thank you mr. moderator Gordon Jameson precinct 12 normally if I recall at the beginning of meetings you have a little colloquy with the clerk yeah we haven't got there yet okay just wanted to make sure because you're swear people and I thought I thought we should declare the meeting open first thank you very much mr. moderator okay I got a script thank you very much mr. Jameson I won't forget anything people promise just give us a break and a few minutes to get this going so now I recognize the chair of the board of select minister John V heard mr. Hurd thank you mr. moderator I have my own technical issue here my video went off and now it says I cannot start it because my video has been stopped by the host that's right you're not supposed to have video okay yeah in order I guess you got it back either way it works for me I just yeah all right we can leave them up for now Julie all right is mr. moderator is requested that the members of the select board and elected officials of the town town manager department heads in the town and staff superintendent of schools and staff committees commissions and boards of the town Minuteman regional vocational technical school district committee and superintendent members of the electronic voting committee and staff members of the general court representing Arlington and also any consultants who have been retained to work for the town relative to articles to be acted on by this meeting representatives of interested parties of article one and representatives of the news media media be permitted to sit within the special town meeting enclosure mr. Foskett mr. Foskett would you like to second that please second second thank you very much mr. Foskett okay we're gonna have two votes we're gonna take that vote and we're gonna combine it with the second vote just heard I understand you may have a second vote in order to authorize us to use the electronic voting platform Tom any members we have to take a vote to authorize our proceeding forward so John do you have the second motion right I can do it now if this moderate yes sir and further that town meeting shall commence business of this meeting by remote participation on the zoom app in the petal research town meeting portal in satisfaction of chapter 92 of the acts of 2020 second I can thank you very much gentlemen all right tell me to members we're going to take a vote to authorize all those elected officials staff and to sit within the virtual enclosure and to authorize the use of the Z-Pato research platform and zoom in order to conduct our town meeting so if you'll want to navigate back to your voter portal choose one for yes to for no and then hit cast your vote mr. Kowalski is in the process of opening up the voting right now and voting has now been enabled so go ahead and navigate back to your portal and commence your vote one for yes to for no and then cast your vote and miss women is going to open the raised hand feature in zoom if you have trouble voting use that and that's again the only reason you would use that is if you're having a voting issue if your screen should say something like database connectivity issue just to hit the participate button again and that will launch you back into your portal we're at the edge of the capacity of the system with almost 260 people on it so if you just it's a momentary glitch just re-hit participate that'll bring you right back so mr. Kowalski I'm gonna ask that you please enter votes yes for miss Marie Kappelka and yes for mr. John Leonard Marie and John Marie Kappelka and John Leonard have both met with me and gone over their warrant cast chose what their votes are and they had that they signed it and it was notarized by a third person and those votes are in miss Julie Brazil's possession so they've asked us to manually cast their votes for them and you can see what Adam is doing so you'll see him doing this during the remainder of the meeting okay we have 23 folks who have not cast their vote yet if you folks want to go ahead and get your votes cast at this time if you're having an issue please use the raise hand feature in zoom so only if you have a voting issue all right so we have three people with voting issues so let's bring Janice weaver Weber weaver up Janice you can unmute your microphone no I was trying to actually find that mute button it's on it's hidden under my taskbar but I saw a little blue thing so I pressed it that must have been the question button sorry okay thank you thank you mr. Michael burn yeah John I'm getting that error establishing a database connection but I don't have any place to click on did you see the participate button no I don't have that go up and hit the refresh button on your window that little half circle up on the very upper left circle yeah I guess I don't have that either John I'd how Michael how would you vote on this yes or no what was the question tell us if you want us to use this remote technology yes yes yes I do yes so I'm now gonna hand you off to Dennis Lowry who's gonna help work work you through it thank you John I appreciate all right Dennis can you have a way to get him so he's gonna call you Michael all right thank you mr. moderate yes sir would you like me to submit a verbal vote for mr. burn yes please do he voted yes okay so that's a good demonstration of how we're gonna handle a voting issue if we have one we'll get you to vote me verbally Adam Kowalski will enter it for you and then we'll hand you off to one of our tech support team now we have five people tonight maybe six depending what miss Sullivan's doing to help you get your portals straightened out so right now we have 11 people vote not voting Peter Thompson Jane Howard Brooks Harrelson Peter gas Scott Lever Benjamin Amos Michael burn has voted verbally Barbara Bolts Susan McCabe Adele Krause and Lisa Reynolds oh Lisa hasn't been active for three and a half hours so we're not sure she's even here so I'm gonna give you about 15 more seconds to vote and we're gonna close it mr. Moderator we've got two hands raised oh okay thank you house let's take p.m. Hallett okay him lowered her hand so I'm Julie Brazil okay miss Brazil yes I wanted to report that Adele Krause precinct six votes yes okay so the cross kick you please enter Adele Krause mr. Moderator could I please unmute Barbara Bolts yes miss Bolts hi I don't know what happened because I had the split screen but then when you started the voting zoom took over everything so I can't I couldn't vote but I do vote yes on this and I would also I put in the Q&A before that when I see the chart the attendance chart I'm still not listed as having as being here but clearly I I am here yes I I actually see you trying to participate yep you're logged in on my screen oh good oh good so we'll enter your vote now and I think you're just gonna have to exit full screen mode on zoom well I don't think I'm in full screen maybe somebody should call me again second time yeah okay whoever called you the first time as soon as they're free will have them called you now do you know who it was oh Andrew no I don't know I don't remember the name if I saw the list of names I would recognize it okay the guy with an A I think Dennis it wasn't Dennis okay okay so we're gonna on Barbara we'll figure it out and have someone call you yes thank you I'm sorry thank you okay so let's close voting as soon as you're done that motion passes by 99% 239 in the affirmative and two in the negative with two abstentions so it passes it's gonna run through the screen so we're gonna go through it twice the first couple times around so everybody can check and make sure it looks correct for them miss Warden has a point of order Patricia Warden Patricia you can unmute yourself this is Warden yes can you hear me yes everybody if they could just announce themselves who they are and you don't have to ask if we can hear you if I don't hear you I'll tell you oh okay that goes for every all time meeting members Patricia Warden precinct 8 um John I did not press a point of order I didn't do anything I don't know how that came up for you I'm sorry but I did not press anything no problem well just take it away thank you though okay so we have you prove the use of the virtual town meeting we're going to move on with our call a que for the evening so constable's return is miss brazil up let's get Julie brazil up madam clerk do you have reason to believe that this meeting was appropriately called by the select board and that the constable made a return of service on the warrant in accordance with the laws Julie brazil town clerk yes ISO certify and declare thank you very much sister heard thank you miss moderator it is moved that if all the business of the meeting as set forth in the warrant for the special time meeting is not disposed of at this session when the meeting adjourns it adjourned to Wednesday November 18th 2020 at 8 p.m. Mr. Foskett second second thank you very much I'm going to director clerk to enter one vote in favor of that motion thank you very much now announcements and resolutions I have one announcement the town of Arlington of the Chamber of Commerce are partnering partnering to promote safe local shopping and dining using the chambers signature slogan shop Arlington first it is critical that we support our local businesses as much as possible right now you can help not just by doing business in town but also by helping to promote the shop Arlington first message within your precinct with your friends and family and on social media you can visit by www shop Arlington first calm to learn more and to help our town businesses thank you very much any other announcements or resolutions I'm not sure how we're going to do that but see any you want me to raise open the race hands job yeah let's do that we'll open a raise hands for a minute Bill Berkowitz up nope now these are only announcements or resolutions so Mr. Pond D&D Pond D&D you have a point announcement or a resolution no that was an accident okay thank you very much Bill Berkowitz Bill did you have a point of order or excuse me a announcement or a resolution you raised your hand sorry John that was an accident as well okay the last person who might have one is Adele Krause Miss Krause Miss Krause do you have an announcement or nope I guess not okay seeing no more I call for all reports of committees so that brings us to article one and I'm going to call for our reports of committees so the first committee would be board of selection select board I'm sorry thank you Mr. Moderator I move that the report of the select board be received second okay we're going to take one vote at the end to receive all reports at once so thank you very much we have select boards report Mr. Moderator yes sir Charles Foskett chair of the finance committee I request that the report of the finance committee and its addendum be received with your permission I request that an error be corrected on the first page changing Wednesday November 16th to Monday November 16th and that the addendum be included in the report also posted to the website as an informational report on the Ellington police department for town meeting reference prepared by finance committee members Christine Deschler vice chair Darrell Harmer and Jonathan Wallach thank you we'll make that correction administratively and we will receive both of your reports and Miss Brazil what's going to approve make motion to accept that so maybe at the end of the time even at the end of the reports we'll just make one motion to receive them all at once and have one second at that point in time any other reports Mr. Yantar thank you Mr. Moderator team work on Yantar precinct 7 and chair of the capital planning committee I request that the report of the capital planning committee be received so moved second thank you Ellington redevelopment board Mr. Moderator and town meeting members I'm Rachel Zenberry chair of the Ellington redevelopment board the I suggest that the Ellington redevelopment board be received second second okay thank you very much and a congratulations on your new position miss how I pronounce your last name as Zemberry thank you very much thank you very much miss Zemberry my pleasure yeah and we have the community preservation act and they have a report I thank you Mr. Moderator Eric Helmuth precinct 12 chair of the community preservation act committee I move that the report of the community preservation act committee be received second okay thank you very much electronic voting study committee James O'Connor Mr. Moderator thank you this is James O'Connor chair of the election modernization committee I move that the election modernization committee report be received second thank you very much any other reports I may have missed one or two if there any other reports please Mr. Meeks did you have a report I wasn't sure if he did Mr. Moderator oh okay all right if I have no other reports if anybody comes up with one let me know could I turn on the raise hand specifically for that Mr. Moderator for a minute okay so we're gonna raise hands right now if you have a report of your committee and you want to get my attention please do it right now use the raise hand feature oh Sharon Grossman of the Human Rights Commission Sharon Grossman precinct eight co-chair of the Human Rights Commission I move that the town meeting accept the report of the Human Rights Commission we receive reports yes thank you I'm Sharon if you could email that to me please thank you very much and I'll have it circulated anyone else have a report use the racians feature seeing none Mr. Moderator yes sir good evening folks this is Doug Hime town council I just wanted to note two administrative corrections to the select board's reports man Mr. Moderator yes go ahead sir thank you sir the first is an article 5 fossil fuel infrastructure for those who are looking at a hard copy that's page five of the select board report otherwise you can look at section one of the vote on the special act at the very end of section one it says as defined in section four of this act work with regard to the definition of fossil fuels but it should read as defined in section three of this act so in section one of the vote on the special act the last paragraph should read as defined in section three of this act not as defined in section four of this act again that's page five on the select board the second is with respect to article six police civilian advisory board study committee and I appreciate a town resident pointing this out to me in section I a lowercase numeral two that basically lists the different members of the committee it should not read diversity equity and inclusion coordinator that position was updated to diversity equity and inclusion director that's page 11 of the select board report so coordinator should be stricken and director should be put in place I know that there's a substitute motion that has an element of that but regardless of whether that substitute motion was is successful or not it should be changed from coordinator director thank you mr. moderate thank you mr. high will make those corrections administratively at this point in time so town meeting members if you can make those corrections to your reports if you have them in paper or electronically however you're doing it all right seeing as we have no other reports of committees we're going to ask mr. moderator excuse me mr. Foskett thank you mr. moderator move that their recommended votes contained in the respective reports of the finance committee select board redevelopment board and other committees be before the meeting without further motion okay so we need miss brazil to second that motion because Charlie made the motion he can't second it so we have Julie do that Julie Brazil precinct 12 second thank you very much we now have before some mr. moderator I move that article one be laid upon the table as soon as we take a vote on that motion we will do so sir thank you okay I'm mr. Kuroski can we bring up a vote on that I don't know if we have when you have to do it on the fly to would be receive reports reports and committees perfect so Tom eating members please navigate back to your voting portal miss wayman is going to open the raised hand feature in zoom if you have an issue voting when you're back in the portal Tom meeting members please select one for yes to receive the reports of the select board Fincom capital planning redevelopment board community preservation act election modernization committee and the Ireland Human Rights Commission please vote one for yes if you would like to receive those reports to for no and then click cast your vote people are getting this down pretty good we're up to 172 votes classed already 207 this might go quicker than I was than I could hope for everyone seems to be getting this pretty good and there's a point of order yes where's my point of order Len Diggins yes mr. Diggins thank you mr. moderator I just want to point out that the HRC report is online and they do such good and important valuable work I didn't want people wondering you know if they had to wait a while to see it so it is on the website oh it is okay thank you very much mr. Diggins mr. Barber bolts has an issue miss wayman let's bring her up and we're going to enter a yes vote mr. Koroski for Marie Kappelka and John Leonard and miss bolts yes the same thing happened as before as soon as you call for the vote I lose the portal I've been successful so sorry Barbara both three sweet nine so I lose the portal and I can't vote I vote yes obviously I don't I don't understand it I have both of them on the screen with success and as soon as you call for a vote I get a little room thing instead of the portal well no it says Arlington town meeting portal via zoom that's where you're not in the portal you're on zoom as soon as you vote the portal goes away so anyway I vote yes okay did did someone call you yet no oh Andrew can you get to a barber somehow Andrew is going to call you thank you thank you look here nine members haven't voted yet Adam Patcher Peter Howard Thomas Michael men Sylvia Dominguez Jane Howard Laura Giddelson Brian reary Joey impressed in and Barbara has voted verbally so we're now down to eight members of those members would please vote at this point we'll give you another 15 20 seconds and about 10 more seconds okay we're down to five people Peter Howard Joanne Preston and Adam Patcher have not voted yet you guys have an issue please let us know otherwise we're going to close voting okay let's close voting the reports so received the motion passes 242 so unanimous vote like so to clear it that closes article one Mr. Foskett this is the moderator I moved that article one be laid upon the table so moved that brings us to article two article one is upon the table I need that big desk you give me a town hall okay we're going to do the consent agenda soon as we run through that so again if you want to remove something from the consent agenda you'll go to the portal hit the request to speak and confirm action that will give me an indication that you want that article off of the consent agenda so okay make sure I'm ready to go okay I'll read the article number give you a brief explanation what it is and then wait a minute to see if anyone read requests to speak or remove it article three bylaw regulation up lighting to expand the ability to up light to religious and commercial buildings so Adam Badnik is removing article three and John Warden has a point of order let's see what John Warden's point of order is Mr. Warden you can unmute yourself Mr. Warden point of order hi John all right yes sorry for the delay I I had to find out where the unmute myself button was John Warden precinct 8 now I did not see I was on the portal side I didn't see anything that said request to speak so I wanted to also I would have taken that I also would have taken that off the off the consent agenda in fact I would suggest you take all the things off the consent agenda as was done during your practice session well I'm not going to do that the request to speak button is right below the point of order button but I this article three is off the consent agenda okay this article is off it's clear the RTS okay this brings us to article four amendment bikeway minute me and bikeway hours it would be expanded to 930 and as posted by the manager does anyone wish to read take that off the consent agenda okay number four stays on article six establishment of peace civilian advisory board study committee Mr. Warden is taking that off Christine tell her Elizabeth Ray Sanjay Newton okay article six is off the consent agenda go ahead clear article seven by law amendment Envision Arlington update the language revise and articulate their goals Mr. Weinstein wants to take that off the consent agenda Mr. Moderator those are points of order so okay Mr. Warden and then Mr. Weinstein John the mute button it is the bottom lower left hand corner of your screen looks like a little microphone all right can you hear me now yes we can thank you I Mr. moderate I was trying to get to the way wish to speak on that the article about the bikeway I wanted to remove that from the from the agenda but you move too quickly for me I move too slowly for you I'm not good about shifting these screens back and forth and all this stuff I can't see the little tiny symbols so I hope you remove that from the consent agenda Mr. remote Warden is your intention to remove every article from the consent agenda not every article but you want me to list the ones that I don't propose to remove well we were hoping a couple of them will give me so that no one really care if we're going to expand the definition of the vision Arlington or if we're going to allow people to go in the bikeway legally for another half an hour at nighttime or extend and expand to the definition of the modernization committee just to kind of clear the decks for substantive articles that we would really care about which is one of the reasons we have a consent agenda but you will you're free to do what you want just please do it on each individual article so we know who to go back to thank you mr. moderator thank you mr. Weinstein had a point of order but he's lowered his hand so mr. Berkowitz is removing article six article seven from the consent agenda okay the article eight acceptance of legislation municipal affording housing trust fund to establish a trust fund anyone wish to remove article eight there are two motions mr. Gersh is removing that okay number nine election modernization committee to expand the definition of the committee and the who are the voting members anyone wish to remove that one from the consent agenda mr. Warden's removing that very good number 10 acceptance of legislation gold star family tax exemption anyone want to take tax exemption for gold start okay Sophie magliaz make liazo taking 10 off number 11 home rule judge a sweet nation for Justin Brown allow Justin to take the firefighter examination anyone want to take that off yep okay that one's off to point of order miss bloom what's your point of order Nancy yes I had a question about article about the question about one with Justin Brown there was one report that said he was 32 years old and one report said he was 39 years old well we'll discuss it under article 11 when we get there okay I'll have somebody find out exactly how old he is my understanding was 39 as well but we'll find out thank you just a quick one quick reminder for everyone to use name and precinct please yes please oh correct article 12 anyone wish to remove home rule legislation consolidation of town meeting elections they're just rejigger the way like mr. Warden wants to remove that one okay article 14 home rule legislation senior water discount anyone wish to remove senior water discount Sophie does Sophie magliaz collective bargaining article 22 collective bargaining anyone wish to remove that well at this point we might as well because it's not the left on the consent agenda okay we have something on there yeah okay article 24 appropriation for community preservation fund anyone wish to remove can't appropriation for community preservation fund the 175 thousand dollars for three projects bill Ford wants to take it off well I'm gonna take a go out on the limb here I'm going to take article 22 off because that will leave nothing on the consent agenda and I'm gonna direct the clerk to enter one vote for no action on the consent agenda I guess that was an epic fail at closed articles who brings us to article 3 article 3 by law amendment regulation of outdoor lighting up lighting mr. Hurd thank you mr. moderator article 3 this is an article submitted by Paul Schlichman intended registered voters to further amend the town up lighting by law to add buildings used for religious and commercial purposes to the list of exempt exemptions the select board voted 5-0 for positive action on this article thank you very much for anyone wishes to speak on the article please raise your hand as you can see right in front of you you have the recommended vote of the board of the select board mr. Adam bad badic good evening this is Adam Vedic precinct five I would like to reject this outright but I've submitted an amendment to at least rein it in to something reasonable that last year mr. Schlichman presented us with this idea of prohibiting up lighting as a way of promoting dark skies and reducing light pollution which I thought was a fantastic idea and was happy to support the proposed amendment adds in a significant number of buildings and basically undoes the entire point of protecting our dark skies at night I've submitted an amendment suggesting that perhaps these exemptions could be cut off at 930 unless you know on occasional specific reason that somebody needs up lighting for some sort of special event in the evening they could get permission from the select board so I humbly submit that as an amendment to at least protect some portion of our dark skies in the later evening thank you mr. moderate thank you we have before you bismuth badics proposed motion you should all have received that electronically mr. Foskey can you please second second I can did thank you very much Smith Friedman bethe and Friedman did you want to introduce your amendment that they had Friedman precinct 15 I just wanted to amend the wording to see what it is so have to find it this is my amendment to we're going to show it to you right on the screen you wanted to use it buildings used exclusively for commercial purposes you wish to add that word exclusively in yes I'm not looking necessarily what's happening today but there are a number of multi-use buildings which are commercial combination of commercial and residential and most of them now just you know one or two stories but of the commercial but at some point there might be more and I wanted to make sure that we didn't have to go back to this amendment that in the future if the commercial section of the building wanted to illuminate it it would be prohibited to do so very good as Tom meeting members for a call when you were finished making a presentation as a verbal cue to me and the staff if you just say thank you mr. moderator mr. moderator and then we know you're done second second thank you very much mr. foster that's been seconded okay that brings up Sophie Magliazo yes good evening so if you know you have some precinct eight this seems to be a lot of exemptions now and I'm curious if what is left if we were to approve all these exemptions is my first question mr. moderator my second question would be what have any particular commercial buildings or commercial purpose buildings requested this or is this just a generous looking forward into the future thank you mr. moderator mr. heim do you have any answer for that Douglas heim town council it's my understanding that the purpose of this particular amendment was to correct something that its proponent mr. schlickman had originally not intended to be included in the regulation about door light so the original scope of mr. schlickman's article several years ago was not necessarily intended to sort of further regulate commercial businesses which generally don't necessarily directly abut as many residential properties same thing with houses of worship in terms of their overall impact to my understanding so if I recall correctly mr. schlickman can certainly supplement my comments here he attempted to introduce this clarification as the scope of this bylaw was expanded in its most recent further amendments so that it wouldn't pose an issue for you know up lighting of you know a church sign or up lighting of something like the capital theater or something of that nature i'll let mr. schlickman correct that if i'm fun that's a mistake and impression but that's that's my understanding thank you mr. moderator thank you did i answer your questions missa magliazo it does i from what i understand and no specific commercial purpose building has requested this and that's what i understand okay thank you mr. jamison gordon jamison thank you mr. moderator gordon jamison precinct 12 i admit that i was involved in the revision of this initially i apologize to the meeting for that mr. schlickman has been very vigilant on this but i do like both the amendments and urge the body to vote both for miss mr. baddickson missed um freedman's uh amendments and i'll leave it at that thank you very much mr. moderator thank you very much mr. jamison mr. schlickman paul schlickman thank you mr. moderator paul schlickman precinct nine uh the reason why we're exempting the commercial uses there are some businesses that are current and in churches as well that are current currently using flat panel floodlights which the intent was to ban those or to sharply regulate them and the intent was not to prohibit them overall from doing architectural lighting but providing them an option of how to do it uh given that the flat panel floodlights uh were contemplated being removed under the terms of the article so that's why we're permitting the up lighting uh with this and i uh like miss freedman's uh amendment and mr. baddick has a good amendment if that's the wish of the meeting thank you very much mr. moderator thank you mr. schlickman um steve revelak steven revelak hello mr. moderator this is steve revelak of 11 sunnyside avenue um one i have one observation and one question i'd like to ask the observation is that just in terms of total land area the commercial districts in arlington constitute roughly five a little over five and a half percent of the town it's not a very big area overall at least relative to the size of the town as a whole um i was wondering since the uh a similar article was passed by last year's town meeting um do we know how many businesses or uh houses of worship had had were required to alter their exterior lighting um as a result and that is that is all i have thank you mr. moderator um i don't know um mr. uh michael bern have an answer to that question let's bring mike bern up as the building inspector to see if he has an answer to that for us uh here gdm is moderated michael bern p13 building inspector um i must say we have very few in place um commercial i offhand i can only think of three um in residential there have been several um but i must say they seem to be quite argument neighborhood arguments so we went again involved with but um the number is is low yes okay of complaints i don't know whether you know we only hear complaints there could be others that we just don't hear of so no no complaints were made to you that and a very low amount a very low amount which one yeah okay thank you thank you very much yeah mr. revelak anything else steve revelak 111 sunny side avenue nothing further mr. moderator okay thank you very much um zarina memen better you name mr. moderator i have i'm putting in a motion to terminate debate in all matters related to this article second 21 great uh we have a motion to terminate debate it's been seconded uh so mr it's a non-debatable motion so mr coralski please bring up the emotion to terminate debate vote so time meeting members please navigate back to your portal as soon as voting is enabled you should get your voting screen hit refresh if you need to miss wayman it's going to open the uh raised hand feature on the zoom screen if you're having an issue voting it's a two-thirds vote so go ahead one for yes two for no and then cast your vote so we're voting to terminate debate on the motion and the two amendments mr. moderator we have a raised hand okay that's big all righty mr berkowitz sorry john yep i'm still learning yep now you're having trouble voting or is that a mistake bill i'm having trouble voting too but that's uh i'm looking for the voting screen the voting screen okay uh hit exit full screen mode up in the upper right hand corner and yep and move your that screen aside you might see your voting portal move that screen aside yeah i get a bunch of sorry i get a bunch of photos and um okay so i'm gonna take your vote and i'm gonna have um chris thicket give you a call to help you out thank you chris do you can you get find his phone number chris yep i'll grab that okay bill chris is going to give you a call thank you okay and you're voting yes yes yes okay let's enter a vote for um mr. william berkowitz okay we have 243 votes in we have 10 missing votes alan reedy sarah bank berks mike ruderman joey and prestin aja capka dan done sherry barons and beth benedict if you guys are still there please vote we'll give you another couple seconds to vote okay i cut people down to about five so sarah michael joey in and beth we got four missing votes you guys want to go ahead and vote give you 15 seconds then i'm gonna close voting mr. moderator julie brazil has her hand raised okay mr. moderator beth benedict precinct 21 votes yes okay mr. kalski is gonna karelski is gonna add that in for her sherry baron is also having trouble voting i'm gonna unmute her okay mr baron hi sherry she says she says in the q and a that she votes yes oh is that okay is that the question let's look well i can't get my voting screen i vote yes yeah we'll take that vote as a yes vote so sherry baron votes yes sherry if you're having trouble on the q and a get in touch with one of the um go ahead and answer that and q and a and someone will get back to you from the tech support team mr. moderator my screen says she has already voted oh so you did vote sherry very good let's not take her vote away let's close voting at this point and the motion passes by 97 percent 233 yes six no votes so the debate is terminated as soon as we run through the screens that will bring us up to the actual votes and the two amendments first we'll vote on mr. baddix amendment he wants to limit the time um to be four nine o'clock or with special permission of the select board and for 10 or fewer days so first we're going to vote on mr. baddix amendment if you wish to vote yes on mr. baddix amendment to add in the words before 9 30 p.m or with specific permission from the select board for 10 or fewer days please vote yes navigate back to your screen your voting portal click one for yes two for no or abstain and then click cast your vote and we have opened up the raised hands in the zoom if you're having trouble voting uh mr. reary has a point of order yeah thank you mr. moderator i'm not clear exactly what we've we are voting on there was a main motion on the floor yes are we voting only to or to amend that main motion by the the difference between it and mr. baddix amendment well we are what has we always do we vote um the amendments first first we're voting on mr. baddix amendment to put the 9 30 time limit or by permission of the select board for 10 or fewer days then we'll vote for miss freedman's amendment to um for add in the words exclusively and then if those pass or do not pass we vote on the main motion as printed in the select board's report as amended so we go through the two amendments serially and then we vote on the main motion as amended or not okay it's a little confusing yep because um each of those two um amendments was actually presented drafted in the form of a substitute but you're treating them as amendments to the main motion correct they it was their amendments i'm treating them as amendments thank you mr. moderate thank you nancy bloom has a point of order nancy bloom please in 618 i'm sorry mr. moderate i thought i i canceled that point of order not a problem thank you so we have um 35 folks haven't voted yet if you have an issue voting please uh use your raised hand feature otherwise go ahead and vote at this point in time 26 folks haven't voted every time i say that 10 more people disappear from the not voting rolls we're down to 16 9 i didn't get recommended votes from mr. lennard or miss corpelka so we're not going to enter them in verbally so the last eight people mackay lemay patricia costa thomas michelman alham sadat susan weaver sarah berks joanne prestin and bill berkowitz if you'll please take a moment to vote i'm going to give those people 15 more seconds to vote we're down to six people as you can see voting takes a little longer than in the meeting mr. moderator uh bill berkowitz is still still on the phone with uh chris okay does bill want to register a vote on this amendment i will ask yeah mr. moderator do you mind if i put up the language for this yes please do so here's the language of mr. baddix recommended for amendment he's adding the first underlined third lying down before 9 30 or with specific permission of the select board for 10 or fewer consecutive days mr. moderator mr berkowitz is uh no no all right mr. berkowitz is entering a no vote on this amendment thank you sir as soon as we get bill's voting we're going to close voting that motion passes 75 percent 177 yes and 58 no's that amendment carries run through the screens everyone can check your vote okay after the screen we're going to do a vote on miss freedman's amendment and if you'll bring up that language as soon as you can mr. kowalski the town meeting member uh jordan Weinstein has a point of order otherwise please town meeting members navigate back to your voting portal refresh if you need to vote one for yes two for no and what's your point of order mr. Weinstein um i'd just like to request if possible under these circumstances that while we're discussing an article uh or an amendment that the text of it that were that were debating and then voting on be kept displayed as long as possible i think that's much more important for us to be able to refer to it and understand what we're voting on then to have to watch the votes coming in on that uh graph oh very good point thank you mr. kowalski will do his best to do that so you can see what miss freedman wants to enter in here isn't a bolded portion underlined word exclusively mr. moderator yeah sherry barron has her hand raised okay miss barron john yes ma'am i can't vote i mean i can sometimes but uh anyway vote yes okay we'll see if you voted adam will um adam kowalski will add that i didn't i know i didn't vote this time oh wait a minute no but i'm just giving you excuse me my um verbal okay well we'll just um enter your verbal vote thank you you're right you haven't voted so we're gonna vote yes for you and there are 41 members who haven't voted yet if you'll please take a second go to your portal screen and vote at this point fish reward patricia warden has a point of order hello patricia warden precinct eight can you hear me john yes i can i'll tell you if i can't i just want you to please could you read the amendment because the print is too small for me to see it um there's almost screen um and you know who younger people won't have a problem with it but if you could quickly read it okay yes her amendment after the words building used she adds the word exclusively so her amendment would read buildings used exclusively for commercial purposes uh so she wants she wants to add in word only exclusive commercial buildings not a mixed use building thank you thank you and mr warden had a point of order i would draw i would draw you have to unmute yourself no i could hear him he's very fine he's withdrawing his point of order thank you mr warden if um the last 10 members would please vote mr warden miss slutsky arvin lewitton patricia warden christian kline joey sardosia mark mccabe zachery grunko joey and preston and sarah berks if you guys can please vote we have six members left i'm going to give them 15 seconds to vote i still have a watch see i got an old-fashioned stopwatch that's what i'm telling you got 10 seconds and 15 seconds okay let's close voting on miss freedman's motion and patricia warden has a new point of order and susan stamps mr vodulator yeah i do not have another point of order yes i did not press it again sorry oh okay very good thank you thank you miss stamps has a point of order but that uh the amendment carries so it's 180 and a affirmative 54 in the negative miss stamps what's your point of order my point of order is that i'm surprised that both of these amendments passed well that's can i just finish my point mr moderna yes sir ma'am the the way that can tell me is being conducted um this time is that we're not sitting next door neighbors and saying oh did you understand this like what does that mean and you know what do you what do you think and sort of have this whole discussion um and so i have a good understanding of what the amendments were and i'm just surprised where both of these amendments limited the up lighting motion from last year or the first one did well they weren't it the the policy stamps yeah what that's not that's not a point of order you're you're continuing the debates i would change me here madame you're continuing the debate your point of order is you don't understand what we're voting on oh is that the only yeah that's a point of order well a point of vote you're you're basically continuing the debate no i'm no i'm not no i'm not i'm sorry that's going to differ well i'm leading up to what my point is which is that i would hope that perhaps the um items that we are being that we're being asked to vote on might be a little bit more paraphrased and explained before the vote that's all if it if it can be done i i will try my best to stay within the proponents language and words i don't want to misconstrue what their motions or their amendments are trying to do so i will try and do that as best i can and staying within the bounds of their their prop their proposition and i don't want to paraphrase them wrong incorrectly okay but i i understand what you're getting at okay so uh let's close quick reminder for name and precinct please oh yes so susan we should have got your um name in precinct so susan stamps precinct three and miss preston has a point of order now join preston yes i've been unable to vote because i've had technical difficulties oh and i've been on the phone the whole time so i haven't been able to hear the discussion ah uh have you been one of the other problems is i can't if i want to speak i understand i have to go back and get on the zoom nope you got you asked to speak in the voting portal on the same yep just as you did now you rose a point of order yes you would raise right underneath that point of order button i understand is a request to speak button and if you want to speak you hit that and you hit confirm your action just as you did for point of order then i don't have to unmute myself on the zoom page well once miss wayman elevates you to a speaking role you then do have to unmute yourself well i can't get to the zoom page well you're pretty successful right now and not speak well you're doing a good job right now yes but i didn't have to go to the zoom page that's where you are right now joanne you're yeah you're on zoom right now okay otherwise you couldn't speak to me can can you get back and and vote i don't know all right well we're gonna find out in a minute because we're going to take another vote right now okay okay all right so right now we're going to vote on article three as amended by mr bedick's motion his amendment to put time limits on it and as amended by miss freedman's to make it exclusively for commercial buildings so it is as presented in the select board's report as amended by the 930 time limits and the exclusively for commercial purposes so if you want to go ahead and change that bylaw up mr levy has a point of order but in the meantime we can open voting while we take mr levy's point of order so mr levy what's your point of order hi dave levy precinct 18 sorry oh no worries question for the miss rara is mr corowski able to see what the vote count looks like while people are voting no or he's not no we can't see that that's hidden all we can see is exactly you're actually looking at his screen yeah right when you see that the eight four the three precincts rolling by it just tells us whether someone is actually voted nobody knows what it is until we close voting okay because i was wondering if you know after a certain point you know without all due respect to people who have technical difficulties if it's worth getting their votes in if clearly the vote is going one way or another almost like a provisional ballot no no um i can see how many people have not voted yet and who they are that's how i know to um read off certain names i know those people haven't voted and i'm trying to prompt them to vote before we we shut down voting okay well thank you mr moderate you're welcome uh team or yontar has a point of order but voting is open adam mr moderator just wanted to confirm that we're voting on the main article article three yes we are as amended so article three as amended so just put your main just put your main vote up your main article vote up that's all we need to do at this point thank you and it's julie and my headache later julie brazil not wayman team or what's your point of order mr moderator team or yontar precinct seven the earlier speaker asked for you to clarify as much as possible the motions i believe you misspoke uh ms freedman's amendment uh her language is to increase the restriction uh the word she adds is exclusively so she means to take the portion where it says buildings used for commercial purposes and to make it only built make that clause only buildings used exclusively for commercial purposes so mixed use buildings would not be governed by this and i don't believe you said that right when you summarize the amendment before yeah she that's why i don't really like to summarize too much but i do it her amendment does make it exclusively for commercial purposes thank you mr moderator thank you all right so what you're looking for at now is the selectments language select boards language without the two amendments on them because we don't have that on the fly so uh we have 150 people voting 94 have still not voted so if you can go ahead and vote so we have the select boards language as amended by mr bedick and miss freedman 18 people have not voted yet give them another minute okay we're down to five the nc maro um i'm going to enter in miss kruppelka's vote miss kruppelka votes yes and john lennard also votes yes so if you could add those and let's bring uh mr ford in first point of order hi john is bill ford um the the portal when it's when it says what we're voting on i just noticed that it doesn't say as amended so i didn't know where i was at one point because of that it might be helpful if we just said as amended when we go to the final votes with all the amendments yep i i thought i did say that but the portal will not reflect that as amended on these couple articles that we have received amendments on because it's um the votes are already entered into the system and we would have to take several minutes to go and rename everything and slow the meeting down so we just it's not going to change it but that's it is as amended thank you uh moderator i i have a point of clarification uh yes uh mr lennard was our second vote right kruppelka and lennard yes they were both yes votes thank you and um mr rearyek has a point of order of course i had a new point of order for brian i thank you mr moderator brian rarek precinct date um i'm a bit concerned about the uh the last two votes that were recorded uh i i very much respect the the fact that you've chosen to accept um affidavit votes from from people who couldn't attend tonight but in this case um those those people cast votes on a motion that they saw and that is a different motion than the one that the meeting is voting on tonight because it's been amended so would you have me disenfranchise them i i only raised the point of order yeah um i hear your point of order but i'm not sure what i can do um they asked me to vote in a certain way and i'm just reporting how they want to vote okay thank you mr thank you mr gelkett has a point of order daniel gelkett precinct six i actually had raised the point of order for the same reason as the previous speaker uh i was trying to get my head around this unusual situation um and i basically agree that it seems fine to the extent that it's pre-ordained votes it seems a little bit unusual to me that somebody would cast votes um pre-meditating that they would not be open to the debate of their fellow town meeting members but um you know i actually was withdrawing my point of order just now when it sounded like the point previous point was being made but your response mr moderator that you felt accused of disenfranchising no no that's i didn't accuse i didn't say he was accusing me i would ask if you would have me do that okay my my mistake i didn't want to accuse mr um raric of anything that's not my intention well uh so my my further point on this is it's your judgment call that you are carrying out their wishes by having the votes applied to an amended article uh who knows what could happen in town meeting uh somebody could amend this to dramatically um change the impact to the point that i don't know that i don't know that you can i mean you you may know these people better than i do but i wouldn't want to confidently cast somebody's vote for an issue you know you understand what i'm saying i think it's it's just the fact that we can modify you know the truth is there are probably people here tonight who had intended to either vote for the article or to vote against it and whose decision on how to vote was changed because we amended the article so i i i don't think you have an easy situation here with this with this conundrum but i just want to add to what the previous speaker said that it raises an issue to my mind that um that we don't have the ability without their presence or their ability to phone in we don't have the ability to actually carry out their vote the same way i noticed you you didn't carry out their votes on things like terminating debate um they they're not here to to have a say in that and to be honest with you given this kind of unusual compromise i don't think from my understanding of it i don't think you should um carry out their votes on articles that they did not see in whole or they did not i guess attest to voting unless they i mean maybe they if they attested to voting for the article or the article as amended this way or the article as amended that way that would be something else and if they have done that maybe it's different but it just feels a little a little wrong even in a year when we're making some compromises it feels a little wrong to carry somebody's vote forward for something that they have not been consulted on the details of thank you mr moderator thank you uh mr ford has a point of order and let's uh close voting at this point mr ford hi i forgot to withdraw my point of order after you we answered me earlier sorry about that thank you very much um thomas michelman it's clear mr moderator that if the wording that you were given to a yes or no vote for not exactly the same do not be putting in a vote for them and yes you know i'm going to i'm going to i'm going to make a statement excuse me you're going to let me finish yes but uh everyone has the same point sir go ahead finish yes i'm going to make it stronger it's not in your purview you don't know what they're going to do you should not be voting for them i'm not voting for them i am reporting their votes as they reported them to me i do not do that well sir i hear what you're saying but i'm going to make a statement i am going to report their votes as they reported them to me for the rest of the meeting if they want to contact me in the next day and tell me to not do that i will do so but their two votes didn't make a difference in the quantum of vote is 194 in favor and 50 in against a vote motion passed by 80 percent and as a majority vote so all we needed was 123 votes to pass so their two votes did not make a difference if they want me to not give their votes then they can call me tomorrow and tell me but i'm going to report their votes as they requested that i do so miss barron has a point of order yes can you hear me yes miss barron sherry barron precinct seven um i really appreciate your position mr moderator and i don't know if um it makes any difference to express that at least one of these people does not have a computer and doesn't have access to it and can't share one of ours because obviously he would need his own uh portal besides with covid i'm not sure you know anyone would want to be sitting next to someone else this closely so i i i know it's not completely pure democracy here but i don't think there's another better method to do it and if someone can suggest one i guess we you could consider that but i just wanted to make that clear that this these are people i only know one of them who's not uh staying away or not joining us for any reason other than he does not have access thank you mr moderate thank you miss barron and then mr um jordan weinstein has a point of order yes uh jordan weinstein precinct uh 21 um i uh agree with the moderators position on this if there is no bylaw governing governing absentee voting then i would imagine for this particular case on this evening and maybe for the duration of this particular town meeting that it's the moderators discretion on whether or not to vote and the way to handle this would be to change the rules for future uh town meetings either through a a warrant article or some other administrative procedure but in in uh in the absence of any governing legislation i think we're uh john leone is doing the right thing thank you thank you mr weinstein okay um mr diggins has a point of order but if we get back to the um business at he ended the motion the amended article did pass by 80 percent 194 in the affirmative 50 in the negative and that's a vote and i so declare it mr diggins what's your point of order thank you miss moderated um one of diggins precinct three i understand where i'm how people feel about uh the vote taken on the amended article of me if i were had put my vote in in the end of the amendment i might be concerned about how that vote was recorded and i think in the case where people have the ability to watch um acmi they then would also have the ability to call in and register that they wanted their vote changed in the case having listened to the debate so i suggest that we make that offer to folks for the people who do have the ability to to watch the proceedings on tv thank you mr moderated i gave both of those folks uh miss miss kruppelka and mr lennard they both have my cellular telephone number they are free and have been free to call me if they wish to tell me to do something else well thank you mr roder your thank you sir account thank you bye um yeah are we gonna are we gonna talk it's miss butler and mr schlickman are i'll take their points of order but then i'm kind of done with this issue i want to move on to the next article um i declared what i'm going to do um and then we're going to go forward with it so miss butler what's your point of order the point of order is just asking whether there was consideration of putting those without um computers on speakerphone and whether there could be provision in the future for um loners during town meeting that's all yep um we did consider that mr lennard declined to take a a computer um he declined to get a wi-fi hotspot he did not want to have anything to do with computers and he just wanted to give his votes in advance and miss kruppelka um for other personal reasons didn't want to either thank you mr moderator thank you and finally mr schlickman paul schlickman pre-sign i'm just wondering what the definition of a point of order is and what is permissible yeah i know uh point of order is i don't understand what i'm voting on so frankly uh this once we got past mr uh rea riggs initial point of order questioning um the amendments and once we got into discussing why i'm casting votes for people which i did explain up front we were beyond a point of order but we went down the rabbit hole paul and at this point um i'm ready to close article four move to article article three and move to article four but it's also five minutes to ten um we usually take a break at nine thirty but we just spent a half hour talking about points of order so let's take a five minute break so our zoom controller and our display controller can rest their eyes for a few minutes uh so i'm sorry mr moderator yeah i've been asked to remind you um if you could please do a vote count before closing votes i did um the lost article was 194 in the affirmative and 10 50 in the negative thank you 80 percent so we're going to take a five minute break here and then we're going to resume with article four uh amendment bylaw minute man bikeway hours so please take a moment and look at that there is the recommended vote of the board of selectman select board i'm sorry okay i wish i had my gavel so i whack my gavel and say okay let's call the meeting back to order and everyone's back we're now going to take up article four bylaw amendment minute wait bikeway hours uh mr herd thank you mr moderated john herd chair of the select board this is an article submitted by adam mcneal and ten registered voters to amend the bylaw relative to the minute man bikeway hours of operation to give the town manager discretion to determine the time the bikeway closes based on current weather conditions that time cannot be before nine p.m the select board voted in favor of this article five zero second moderated thank you sir motion to support such a second although not necessary um mr trembling wishes to speak thank you mr moderator and trembling precinct 19 i i wasn't really aware that there were hours on the uh bike path and i'm just curious why are there hours on the bike path it seems to me that the people who who work late would be needing to use it later than 9 30 and uh i'd hate to see somebody get fine 20 bucks just because they were driving home they're riding their bike home for work later at night yeah i can ask mr heim why we have hours at all mr heim dug heim town council i'm not sure i'm the best person to answer what the rationale for the hours are but the town is given a sort of charge to regulate the bikeway although it's technically owned by the nbta and we set regulations you know upon it i'm not sure what the genesis of this very specific set of hours was other than you know the things that you might suspect which are public safety concerns um you know potentially some you know maintenance uh concerns about the bikeway in order to do certain work um and the lighting of the bikeway but uh for my recollection of the select board the discussion before the select board there's a good sense that um it can be expanded uh without any serious concerns to any public safety considerations thank you thank you mr heim that's your question mr trembling yes thank you mr moderator thank you mr trembling um miss sophie magliazo yes hello so familiar to increasing eight um sort of along the lines of the the first speaker but with a few more questions i guess my question i i seem to find that we have a lot of rules and bylaws um that aren't necessarily enforced in town and i have a feeling from what i'm hearing that this might be one of them um and why was this not proposed as just eliminating the hours versus just leaving it up to town manager and follow up question mr moderator is is the town manager's intention to just not have any hours mr chaplain thank you mr moderator adam chaplain town manager uh i i think for tonight's purposes the furthest i would go is saying that i would set hours in coordination with the earlington bike advisory committee um if if their advice was to completely eliminate hours i would probably feel compelled to come back to town meeting given that this bylaw if approved tonight would have opening hours at 5 a.m but i i think we would i would what i would imagine would happen is via a dialogue with the earlington bike advisory committee and based on times of year and when the sun's going down we would look at hours that we think expand use and match up with actual use um that that are safe for people to use if i could mr moderator i do know that historically thinking thinking about the use of the bike path has evolved and for a long time it was the opinion of the police department that if we had hours saying it was open um but it wasn't lighted and we weren't policing it we were creating an attractive nuisance or potentially a dangerous situation for people but i as people's commuting patterns have changed and the usage of the bike path has gone up over the years i think we we see that usage after dark is more and more common especially on parts of the bike path closer to the ale wife and we want again we want to work with the bicycle bicycle community and the commuting community who might walk on the bike path to have access in a safe manner and to not not be people not have people feeling like they're breaking the rules if we have a time in place okay thank you mr chaplain anything else miss magliazo yes so just a quick follow-up to the extent that this will not be a removal of all times is the town actually bothering to enforce the times that we're hosting so we don't uh mr moderator i'm sorry yes or no go ahead mr chaplain uh adam chaplain town manager so we certainly don't proactively patrol the bike path telling people that they are breaking the rule um if we were issuing such patrols we probably wouldn't have the restriction in the first place uh chief larry could certainly chime in if i'm mistaken i think if a officer encountered somebody now using the bike path on off hours they probably be counseled or given a warning that uh the bike path was closed during that time of day but it's not an issue that i'm familiar with is ever issuing citations or penalties for using the bike path outside of those hours thank you sir miss magliazo nope thank you thank you ma'am um john warden uh john warden precinct aid do you hear me yes i can mr warden thank you thank you mr moderator um no i uh my question was uh if the manager can post uh the out of the uh i guess the different hours but not before nine o'clock or nine thirty whatever um when the bike paths open how how is the public to know about that rule are there going to be signs or is he going to be running around with flyers or how how is how will people know what the hours are if they're not the hours that are in the log presumably uh stated somewhere along the bike path mr chaplain are you going to post the hours uh on the bike path or at several spots along the path thank you mr moderator adam chaplain town manager yeah i think signage along the path stating the hours would make the most sense uh we would certainly make it available on the town website have it circulated in partnership again with the arlington bike advisory committee to the bicycling community um but i think signage would be appropriating in key locations as well i don't think we would overdo the signage but try to find the places where people most regularly access the bike path and make sure that we have signage up to that effect thank you very much uh does that answer your question mr warden well uh yes uh uh yes it it does answer my question mr moderator um thank you thank you sir um rudder collin uh rudder collin precinct seven um i'm a member at large of of aback the bicycle advisory committee um and more to the point for this purpose i'm a long long time bicycle commuter out to job in bedford and back um and by the end of being a software engineer a lot of a lot of those hours are pretty late um the a couple of things are worth keeping in mind one is that the other two towns that the minute man runs through lexington and bedford do not as far as i know have hours it's it's a common carrier route um so if to the extent that we have them and we're kind of the odd men out here um the other point is that a bicycle light technology has improved a good deal so it's it's pretty safe um to ride on the the minute man at night you know nine nine o'clock is not any darker or lighter than 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock whatever i consider this um article to be a good start but really we should be thinking about doing away with the hours thank you mr moderator thank you mr holland patricia meldun thank you mr moderator patricia meldun uh precinct 20 i'm in support of all of the other comments that i've heard and our advanced documents did point out that lexington and bedford don't have any any hours and my question is um perhaps a point of order i'm unsure um whether that can be it can be changed at this point to eliminate the hours all together thank you you you would have to table the article till next monday right in amendment you get it to us by wednesday if you wish to do that so you would take a proposal to table the article you would have to take you would have to make a motion to table the article to a date certain monday the whatever monday is um and we would have to vote on the motion to table if it passed we would table it until monday whatever you would do an amendment get it to me before wednesday and where does that fit in the order of the events around this article speakers and all they all go away and they come back next monday when we start fresh so would that be something i should do now i don't want you to do it but it's up to you if you want to do it i'd rather just vote on it be done with it and then next spring after adam has uh done his research and come back after take talking to the bicycle folks and coming up with a good plan of action tell us what they really want to do that'd be my preference but i can't tell you what to do ah okay well um then i would propose tabling the article till monday the 16 and 7 towards that the 23rd i think so second okay we have a uh motion to table uh motions to table are they debatable let's take a vote on her motion to table so mr moderator we have a few point of orders yes we do uh mr rea rea mr schlickman first paul schlickman priestick nine the clarification between a motion to table which is not time certain or to postpone which is time certain correct i think someone has time meeting time in front of them paul so we'll go back to her and figure out if she wants to table or postpone to a time certain i think she wants to postpone to a time certain and mr warden is going to tell us if it's debatable or not mr warden what's your point of order mr warden you can unmute i guess he oh no here here is what's your point of order sir there are you hear me now yes sir thank you i i'm sorry i actually the point of order was raised by uh mr uh schlickman mr schlickman that the motion that motion to um motion to table not debatable and sits on the table just like article one until someone moves to take it off motion to postpone is i believe a majority vote and it must be to a date certain correct so uh that's uh so that's why i withdrew the point of order but my withdrawal was not as fast as your recognition of the fact and if i could just add one fact the reason for the nine o'clock hours was when the bike path was first open which is like 30 years ago or maybe longer some of the folks who lived near near there who had a very quiet place with a train going but through a couple times a day maybe uh we're worried that a lot of people would congregate behind their houses late at night and had drink beer or smoke pot or something we didn't have pot in those days do some something on towards so so that's why they put that that that nine o'clock time in there way way back then okay thank you sir thank you sir all right mr o'connor has a point of order then we're going to take the vote on miss small dune i'll link it back to you to see if you want to do a postpone or table mr o'connor jim you have a point of order there we go okay uh just a point of clarification laying on the table is not debatable requires a two-thirds vote i have town meeting time before me a postponement to assign certain is debatable and requires only a majority vote uh thank you you're welcome sir let's go back to miss small dune um miss small dune do you wish to table or postpone postpone to a time certain okay that's debatable so we have a motion to postpone it's been seconded um anyone want to debate the motion to postpone to a time certain so let's moderator do i call the new article forward before we start debating yes i need to build it if i could have just one minute okay mr moderator yes ma'am while um adam is doing that could i just remind everyone that if they're interested in viewing the live transcription of this meeting we have uh in the upper left hand corner you can see live on custom live streaming service if you click that drop down you can choose view stream on custom live streaming service thank you thank you ma'am and miss moderator this is a majority vote yes is this language acceptable i use the same bylaw title notated that it will be postponed until 1123 yep and the majority vote that is that's perfect so um now we're going to have a debate on if people want to postpone that or not so everyone who was waiting to speak under the old main motion should we clear them out and then start a new list for the people who would like to debate whether or not they want to speak to the postponement so let's hit clear rts okay so now everybody who wanted to speak has gone away and if you want to speak to the debate whether or not we should postpone um miss zep serena memon wishes to speak to the postponement mr moderator serena memon precinct 21 i i believe that we should postpone this um article uh as is um i forgot who was the one that was um postponing it miss bell dune miss maldune said uh because i think our surrounding towns including also cambridge did not have any bike hours um and we're just looking like we're behind times if we don't move forward on this there's a lot of biking um bikers out there especially for commuting for jobs for work and i think it would be just prudent to uh table this so we could uh i'm sorry not table but postpone it so we could eliminate them possibly if miss bell dune writes this up thank you thank you very much miss memon gordon jamison thank you mr moderator gordon jamison precinct 12 i move to terminate uh debate on all matters thank you mr moderator thank you mr jamison motion to terminate debate mr foskin second second it all right motion to terminate debate on the um postponement so we're going to make a motion to terminate debate on postponement it's a two-thirds vote and that will open your voting window in the voting portal well miss wayman will open the raised hands feature if you have a problem voting please use raise hand otherwise go to your navigate to your voting portal click one for yes two for no three to abstain and then hit cast your vote if you're having an issue voting please use raise hand back in the zoom portal but you should be in the voting portal right now it's a two-thirds vote to terminate debate 173 votes have been cast 71 are still outstanding 50 outstanding please go ahead and mr michael quinn has a point of order mr quinn what's your point of order michael quinn precinct 10 mr jamison's motion was to terminate um debate on all matters he moved to terminate debate on the postponement the vote on the motion to postpone so terminating debate on the motion to postpone not the main motion because if we if we're going to terminate debate then we're going to go ahead and vote to postpone or not postpone and then we'll go back and decide what to do after that okay that that is not what he said i'm comfortable with your reinterpretation of what he said and and doing it this way i just wanted to be clear on what was going on here okay thank you okay 15 people hasn't have not voted yet on the motion to terminate debate susan became dray has her hand raised okay mr ray i'm sorry i withdraw i withdraw that thank you mr moderator thank you i have nine members who have not yet voted um james o'connor theodore paluso robin drack michael brown laren boil and l hurt samantha dutra nada el newie and neyomi greenfield greenfield oh those last three have not been active in a while if you guys can please vote we're going to give you 15 seconds okay let's close voting let's see how the motion to terminate debate did motion to terminate debate passed 94 it is 222 in favor of terminating debate and 13 against so debate is terminated that brings us to miss maldune's motion to postpone until a date certain 11 23 and run through the screens once now this is a um a motion to postpone adam so we could just go to um new excuse you mr moderator yeah it's been requested that you restate the vote now before voting begins okay we are going to take a vote right now to postpone debate on postpone the article till 12 23 that's the vote we're going to be taking right now this is her motion to postpone until 11 23 so voting to postpone debate till 11 23 mr moderator just like to confirm again that this uh title looks accurate vote vote to postpone yeah okay thank you yes so postponing article four till 11 23 you know enable voting miss wayman can open up the zoom hands if someone has an issue with voting and otherwise tom meeting members go back to the voting portal refresh your screen if necessary one for yes to postpone two for no to continue the debate tonight and then cast your vote so if you want to postpone till next monday please vote yes if you want to continue to vote debate and vote on this article tonight vote no 222 members have voted we have 22 who have not voted as of yet any of those 22 are having issues uh patrick handlin has his hand up yes i have any i have hit i've hit the button for the vote and cast your vote but the vote hasn't been recorded and i'm it's shaded out so that i'm no longer able to make it to make it work it's just keep i refresh your screen patrick okay i did it thank you okay thank you 13 members have not voted yet robith tossy ted paluso robindrack silvia dominique dominette dominquez alia atlas christa mayo christine anderson mary melec odum stefanie ford weems ethan simmer if you guys can please vote go ahead we're going to give you the 15 second warning and i'm counting down and seeing that there are no hands raised under zoom i'm going to close voting and the motion to postpone passes 57 percent so the article is postponed to 11 23 134 votes in the positive 101 in the negative and the positive vote and no so that postpones article four till next monday the 11th so miss moldoon i would suggest that maybe you contact uh town attorney mr heim and he may work with you to revise your motion article five that brings us to article five as soon as we run through these screens article five home rule legislation amendment fossil fuel infrastructure and we have a course of recommended vote of the board select select board on article five uh i think mr um excuse me mr herd yep did you wish to speak to this yep briefly thank you mr moderated john herd chair of the select board this is an article authorizing the select board to file a home rule legislation as recommended by the clean energy future committee to amend the town bylaws to regulate the installation of new fossil fuel infrastructure in new residential and commercial construction and major renovations the purpose is to take firm action to reduce dependence on fossil fuels and reduce pollution in arlington the select board voted in favor of positive action four to zero with mr decorsi recusing himself from the discussion and the vote thank you mr moderated um thank you very much mr herd uh patrick handlin thank you mr moderator um i'm pat handlin uh precinct five and i appreciate the chance to introduce more an article number five in a few seconds amos meeks the co-chair of sustainable arlington and not coincidentally a phd candidate in physics at harvard will present the article to you in a video i will have about 20 seconds to add after that to add a little additional information amos and i will both be available to answer questions and will be joined by ken pruitt the town's energy manager and the chair of the clean energy future committee the town body whose recommendation started the process that brings this article to you today thank you sir that's our first example of a video hello my name is amos meeks i'm a member of the steering team of clean heat for arlington and today i want to tell you about warrant article number five which asks to file a home rule legislation that would allow the town of arlington to create a bylaw amendment that would prohibit fossil fuel infrastructure in new construction and gut renovations first some background on this bylaw so our goal is to reach 100 clean energy by 2050 and this is mandated by both a state law the global warming solution act which commits us to reduce our emissions by 80 by 2050 and in 2018 when the arlington select board voted to set a goal of net zero by 2050 fortunately the recipe for reaching 100 clean energy is relatively simple we electrify everything and we green the grid so if we look at arlington's total emissions we see that the vast majority of our missions about 60 come from buildings residential buildings and industrial buildings and of this the vast majority of this is space heating so we want to focus space on space heating as a place to start fortunately electric solutions for space heating exist in the form of heat pumps heat pumps are very different from electric resistance heaters that you might think of which are expensive and inefficient instead they're more like an air conditioning unit that can heat as well as cool and because they just move heat around in terms of heating efficiency they can be incredibly efficient something like 200 or 300 percent efficient in addition cold climate air source heat pumps work in our climate they're rated to be highly efficient down to five degrees Fahrenheit and many of them work down to negative 17 or even negative 22 degrees Fahrenheit and it simply does not get that cold around here and they work as the sole source of heating in 2017 a large portion of new homes in Massachusetts used a heat pump as the only source of heating and cooling and even in arlington in arlington there are many buildings that use heat pumps as their sole source of heating without backup heat heat pumps are also affordable so this study in 2018 modeled a house being installed with gas and electric air conditioning compared to a house using an electric air source heat pump and heat pump hot water heater and what they found is that the installation cost differed by less than a thousand dollars which in the case that they were looking at of a large single family house newly built newly constructed house this difference cost difference shown in this red slice here is tiny compared to the overall value of the house in addition they found a small difference in annual operating cost but again for a new 3000 square foot home if you look at the monthly expenses and compare that difference which is this red sliver at the top here it's pretty much negligible so in the case of these large new new construction single family houses the difference in cost ends up being more or less a wash but of course some people can't afford to pay anything at all fortunately affordable housing is already leading the way on heating electrification these are some examples of buildings outside of arlington that use heat pumps as their sole source of heating and cooling but even within arlington all of the affordable housing construction projects that are being planned or built by the housing corporation of arlington use heat pumps as their sole source of heating and cooling and this is often because for the sort of high density high efficiency new construction being built for affordable housing heat pumps are just already the most economical option so to get into what this bylaw actually proposes we would prohibit new fossil fuel piping in new construction and gut renovations this would not affect existing buildings that are not undergoing some kind of gut renovation it would not affect kitchen renovations or other sort of renovations that are not literally stripping the entire inside of the building down to the studs and rebuilding it and it would not affect additions we also include a number of practical and common sense exemptions this bylaw would affect only the customer side of the fossil fuel piping all gas cooking appliances are exempted backup generators are exempted since it deals with fossil fuel piping it would not affect propane fossil fuel cooking such as outdoor grills hot water for large buildings is exempted due to technical reasons and in addition research and medical facilities are exempted also due to technical reasons and of course repair of existing and unsafe piping is exempted and to be clear this only affects fossil fuel piping so any modifications can be done to the water side of a water heating system without this bylaw coming into effect however this may not account for all cases and so in order to avoid any sort of undue expense or burden anyone can seek a waiver for the bylaw and the waivers would be granted by the building inspector potentially with consultation with town staff and local energy experts and finally as a quick clarification the reason this needs to be a homeworld petition is due to conflicts with existing state law so over the summer the attorney general moraheely found for a similar bylaw in brookline that while she strongly supported the policy of this bylaw it does conflict and is preempted by existing state laws however homeworld petitions are a very common way to deal with these kinds of kinds of conflicts as you can see in articles 11 through 15 of this special time meeting so with that from me and everyone else at clean heat for arlington we hope that you will join us in supporting warrant article number five and we'll be happy to answer any questions that you might have mr. moderator if i can just do the last 20 seconds yeah most of you most of the members today received an email from clean heat for arlington earlier today linking to a new study of the economics of electrification in a number of cities including boston the new study shows a much narrower gap between gas and electric in operating costs than the two-year study that amos discussed in the video the new is dated from last october and we did not really focus on it until after the video was made but the difference according to the new study for major from 2020 is about three percent or or 10 percent a month instead of the somewhat larger figure that is talked about in the video that said we're ready to rest in uh and again amos and i would all be available if there are questions uh to attempt to answer for you thank you very much there's nothing further um called jim titulio james titulio thank you mr. moderator uh i'm honored to speak tonight in favor article five as a town meeting member and an appointed member of arlington's clean energy future committee i urge the strong endorsement of this article by town meeting tonight which is consistent with the clean energy future committee's support for the article you've heard from the article sponsors about its details who will affect and how it will do so and my objective tonight is not to repeat what's already been said or to wait into the specifics of the article except to say that it's been an exceptionally researched studied and expertly drafted article representing the hard work of many dedicated arlingtonians over many months the article is drafted with precision and care and i think it strikes the right note between its environmental ambitions and real world practicalities what i do want to speak to tonight is why this article is so critically important for town meeting to support at this moment in time you know one of the tired tropes of climate change deniers in recent years has been the opening phrase well i'm not a scientist as if you know sort of saying i'm not a scientist so i don't know about i don't know if climate change is real well i'm also not a scientist and that's precisely why i trust the scientists and researchers who've dedicated their lives to studying and documenting the climate crisis their research is undeniable our planet is sick and getting sicker by the day and we're nearing the climate tipping point and each day that we fail to act in any big or small way is not just a missed opportunity but also brings us one step closer to a point of no return and against that stark backdrop we as leaders of arlington's town government must take every available opportunity presented to us to do whatever we can to stop the deleterious effects of climate change to that end the clean energy future committee of which i'm a member has been working diligently since 2018 to map a plan for arlington to reach net zero carbon dioxide and greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 the net zero plan being developed by the cefc relies on a three-part framework make buildings more energy efficient electrify everything including buildings in transportation and green the grid so that everything we've electrified is powered by clean electricity article five is absolutely necessary for the success of that plan because let me be clear every future building constructed that relies on fossil fuels will be in direct conflict with the net zero plan and the 2050 goal many people often think of 2050 as some far off date it's it's not certainly not when we have a task in front of us of the magnitude of reaching net zero the decisions even the small ones that we're making today will have major repercussions for the next 30 years and will affect our ability to reach the 2050 goal think about it this way we should not and simply cannot be building new buildings at this point in time in 2020 that are reliant on fossil fuels when those buildings have multi-decade lifespans to do so is the equivalent of hobbling your leg right before you attempt to complete a marathon in record time it just won't work i realize that this article's future rests on a home rule petition which became a necessity in light of recent opinions from the attorney general's office arlington has the opportunity to be in the vanguard of this burgeoning movement although arlington brookline are the first towns to push this issue several other towns are close behind i expect that in two years time dozens and dozens of cities and towns will have joined the movement and file their own similar home rule petitions on this issue there's going to be strength in numbers and numbers of that size will assuredly get the attention of beacon hill leaders to either act on the petitions or take statewide action on their own we've seen a similar strategy with plastic bag and polystyrene bands which are now in the verge of statewide enactment arlington can be a true leader on this issue if we act to support article five tonight so i'll conclude by simply asking you this question several decades from now when your children or grandchildren ask you what you did to turn back climate change and to fight the existential battle of our lifetimes what are you going to tell them i i think it's fair to say that if you support article five you can tell them you began the longest and most important journey for humanity with a single important step in the right direction please support article five and thank you for listening to me tonight thank you mr tulio um just to remind town meeting members please name a precinct when you first log on thank you julio precinct 12 thank you very much um called david levy thank you mr moderator david levy from precinct 18 and also a member of the clean energy future committee um i will be brief because i know the hour is late um so i just want to say that you know i joined the committee that uh help support this uh warrant article for your consideration because you know a few years ago when i joined the committee i just kept getting more and more concerned about how every summer felt like it was getting hotter and i was running the air conditioner more and you know shoveling the snow less and i remember as a kid growing up in the boston area how you know every once in a while is a big deal with the family would gather together and sleep in one room where we had one air conditioner running and now you'd be crazy um to think that was going to be a reality going into the summer of 2021 i mean unfortunately we were just facing every year more and more days of 90 degrees you know 90 plus and it's frightening uh i have two young kids uh they're both in public schools and i worry about their future uh when they are adults and what it will look like and will they be able to do the things that we're able to do or well whether quite honestly prevented i it just it frightens me to think of the world i'm leaving them um so being a part of this committee has been so exciting because we're able to be practical about what can we do as a town to uh start to make a change in this situation um and this quite honestly we're working on several initiatives we think they're all very practical we hope to discuss those in the coming year but this came before us because other groups were just as concerned um and we realized we could do something now that would help um it doesn't you know like we said if you have gas today in your home it doesn't change that if you know unless you are planning some major renovation of your entire home assuming the state follows our request you know your life will not change but as we've said it does send a signal it does start the process to make change in this regard i i do believe that if we are going to improve the climate we live in we must find ways to stop burning fossil fuels it's it's one of the solutions we have to approach and and this is one i think where you know over time we can ring fence the issue and get our arms around it more proactively and i i think it will make a positive impact on our lives and our children's lives so i would urge you to vote yes on article five i'm happy to answer any questions about the clean energy future committee and what we're up to and i thank you so much for your time thank you mr moderator thank you sir mr ed trembling thank you thank you mr moderator ed trembling breezing 19 i had a few questions and a couple of comments my comment is that more than 20 years ago when i worked on electric cars there was a move of foot back then to mandate them and thankfully that didn't happen because they weren't quite ready for prime time at that time you know here 20 years later electric cars are have become much better and you know what people choose them and buy them on their own and i would submit that that this is a should be the case with this too heat pumps are are further along and and they're uh and they're efficiency and and so on now compared to where electric cars were 20 years ago but who's to say that we aren't going to have something better somebody somebody isn't going to invent a better refrigerant or or some new heating system that's that's more efficient and um this doesn't ban the the piping in the house you can still have gas heat and and depending on who you talk to or when they or who's presenting you either can or or don't or can't have gas hot water um i know of people who have heat pump hot water heaters and they've commented about how it makes their basement cold in the winter and so i'm not i'm not a hundred percent sure this is quite ready for prime time yet another concern that i might have is that the the electric grid we have here in alexon is not the most robust thing in the world um i know that at my house i used to want i'm at the end of the uh the the line and when some neighbor up closer to the transformer from me would turn on the air conditioning the uh the the voltage at my house would drop down to less than 100 volts well that trammeth transformer blew up eventually and uh now we have a new one so it's not quite so bad but uh okay add circle back to scope um the scope part of this is that i'm not sure that the the without a major rebuild that are like this grid can carry all the upcoming um electric devices that that people would like to plan for this um so i think that we ought to take a uh just let right now let people make their own choices on what they want to heat their homes with um and i and i think that as once the heat pumps become really good or we have something better the people will choose them and and they aren't just they aren't choosing them now they're they're they're not bad uh but the the proponents here had a had a little chart that showed the the cost of of heat pumps versus gas installation well there's a big difference in heat pump cost depending on whether you get a high efficiency one or one that's less efficient as as you might guess a less efficient one costs less than the highly efficient ones are pretty expensive so um we do get cold weather here sometimes and the efficiency of heat pumps is not the best when it's very cold out so i would say that maybe maybe a hybrid system where you have both is is a is a good way to do it but for me for right now i think we ought to let people decide what they want to have for heating what they want to heat their houses with thank you mr rider mr moderator thank you mr trembling um it's 11 59 i can either take one more speaker or we can take a motion to adjourn till wednesday so move to adjourn move to adjourn and we have a motion to adjourn till wednesday the 18th um seeing no objections meeting is adjourned till wednesday the 18th at which time we'll pick up that the speaker list the way we left off um we're we've taken a screenshot of the speaker list so we know who's on it but we're hoping that the system preserves it um internally until that point but i do have a screenshot of the speaker list so thank you very much we'll see you wednesday at 8 p.m oh wait are they still there uh have there any motions for reconsideration if anyone has a motion for reconsideration please use the um point of order button on the um voting portal you have a motion a notice of reconsideration please do so on the point of order on the portal otherwise the motion that meeting is can adjourn okay seeing none we're all good we can shut it down oh ian godselt ian which so let's promote ian to see which one he is um raising a point of order a um notice of reconsideration on on mr moderator ian good cell uh precinct 11 i was wondering if i could suggest we start at 7 p.m instead of 8 p.m seeing as how long these uh debates are taking maybe we can get through this uh in two meetings instead of you know two more meetings instead of three more meetings we'd have to take them we'd have to take a vote on that at the beginning of the next meeting sounds sounds good thank you mr moderate okay so there's no points of reconsideration thank you very much everyone we can all log off now