 In this episode of Mind Pump, the world's top fitness, health, and entertainment podcast, we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by listeners, just like you. And the way we open the episode is by talking about current events, studies, we talk about our lives. Sometimes we mention our sponsors. So let me give you the breakdown of what happened in today's Mind Pump podcast episode. We started by talking about Magic Spoon. This is our favorite kids tasting cereal. It's high in protein, way protein, very, very low in carbs. I think there's no sugar. So it's like a great macro. It doesn't even make sense. It's a great macro profile, but it comes in flavors like fruity flavors and blueberry and chocolate, birthday cake. I think they had at one point. I don't know if they still have that, but it's really, really good. They also have a brand new bowl and spoon that you could buy on their site. So you can look even more awesome as you eat this delicious, high protein cereal. Anyway, look, we work with them. We have a discount for you. If you go to the Mind Pump magic spoon link, here's where it is. Go to magic spoon.com forward slash mind pump. You'll get an automatic discount applied to your cereal. Don't forget to use the code mind pump. Then we talk about coffee and leanness. There was a study that showed that women who drank coffee were leaner than women who didn't drink coffee. So it might have some fat burning effects. Kind of interesting. Yay, coffee. Then we talked about Joe Rogan, his move to Spotify, how much Spotify's value went up in the market, what that could potentially mean for the podcast space. That's really cool. This is big news. Then I talked about how people are using full spectrum hemp oil extracts like Ned to help deal with anxiety and stress of the current situation. Like right now, a lot of people are a little stressed out, feeling a lot of anxiety. Cannabinoids can help bring that down. CBD is one of them. Now, Ned makes full spectrum hemp oil. So it contains high levels of CBD, but it also contains lots of other compounds that help work with the CBD. So it's a great product to use for feelings of anxiety. And it also has some other benefits like anti-inflammatory benefits. Now, because you listen to Mind Pump, you get a discount. Go on their website, helloned.com. That's H-E-L-L-O-N-E-D .com forward slash mind pump. And you'll get 15% off your first purchase. Then we talked about Apple and Google launching contact tracing software. Uh-oh, that might be a bad thing. Then we talked about Tesla potentially moving to Tulsa. Let's say that three times fast. I like that plan words. Then we talked about Facebook. Now is going to be only asking like 25% of their employees to come into work so everybody else can work at home. That's kind of cool. I talked about a study that talked about how diets really don't matter. It's really about your behaviors, which you said before. We talked about how Chuck E. Cheese is delivering pizza, but not under the name Chuck E. Cheese. So that should they fool you because you know, Chuck E. Cheese is pizza. It's a guy in creepy costume. Doesn't taste that good. And then we talked about AI. There's a show on YouTube that Justin loves. I'm obsessed with it. And they did this AI episode that was a little, I think, depressing. Then we got into answering the questions. Here's the first fitness question. Is there any way to mimic the action of sled pushes at home? So you can drive sleds in the gym. They're great for lower body development. You can modify them for upper body development. What if you don't have a sled? What do you do instead? Next question. Maybe you're dead. This person wears heels and gets knee pain. So they want to know how they can remedy that. So Adam gives all of his tips on how he prevents his knee pain from wearing heels at home when no one's watching. The next question. What are some ways to deal with relationship stress while quarantined with your partner? Of course, we're fitness experts, but we like to talk about relationships too. So we give our input there. And the final question. This person wants to know if there's any topics that we disagree on completely that we can't come to a conclusion over. So what do we disagree over? And why am I always right? Also, wrong. Also, listen, we're having our Memorial Day apparel sale. Everything is on massive discount. It's happening right now at the mind pump media page. Go check out all of our apparel. Also, all month long, actually five days left. When this episode airs, there's only five days left for the maps starter 50% off sale. Map starter is a phenomenal workout that'll introduce you to resistance training. So if you want to reap the benefits of resistance training, but you don't have a ton of experience with weights, this is the perfect program. 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This means everything. That's all Adam has. It is. What are you doing? You know? Yeah. I can't claim on the coolest one in the group if I don't even have the most Instagram followers. Yeah, right. That doesn't make you cool. Sure it does. I know it doesn't. These days, you know, the numbers don't lie. Ask any 12-year-old. Yeah, it's true. Who's got the most? Yeah, bro. Immediately what they ask you. Exactly. I can't hang out with you. Remember that kid I told you I was playing basketball with? That was like how I was getting drilled. How many YouTube followers? How many Twitter followers? How many Instagram followers? Then he said, tick, talking. Yeah. He's like, oh, you lost a bunch of... Yeah. I lost cred. I lost my street cred right away. 12-year-olds. Yeah. It's a new standard. Yeah, man. I didn't even know that. Well, I mean, what are you going to do? You know, I mean, when we started Mind Pump, what did you have? 15, 20,000? Was it something like that? I don't remember. It was over 10. I know that. It was over 10. You know what's funny? When did it shift from people that didn't care? They were the cool ones, right? And now it's like, you have to care about having all these followers and shit. No, I don't think we were... I think that's half of why it does okay for us is that you don't. Yeah, I don't care. I mean like for kids. Oh, well, it's because it's the only metric they can clearly see and understand. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's an obvious one. It's just unfortunate, in my opinion. There's still cool kids that are cool without having to post and try, you know what I'm saying? I hope there is, man. Yeah, that's where the whole extra thing came from, right? What do you mean there's still cool kids? There's still cool kids that don't have to like... How do you know? Because I follow all the cool kids. Oh, so they got like 500 followers? No, that's cool. Yeah. I mean, you could still gain followers and not be trying to gain followers. Oh, I see. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to be... There's obviously a large portion of people that are aggressive when people are trying. I just think it's hilarious how people look at, especially if you're looking at it from a business perspective, they look at their followers and they'd be like, oh, I only have, you know, 3,000 followers. Like if you had a brick and mortar business and 3,000 people came by your store and walked around and looked around, I mean, you would be incredible. Oh, I talk about this a lot when I do interviews is that, you know, if you were just to spend the time to add value to that, you know, 1,000 to 3,000 people versus trying to get more people looking at you, you'd be far more successful. From a business perspective, right? Maybe not a popularity contest because there's people that still look at that. Oh, wow, they're famous because they have this many. I mean, you were just talking about how you share with your son, right? Because his generation looks at YouTube and they think like, oh my God, my dad has got this big YouTube channel. But yet from the business perspective, we look at YouTube as like the, you know, it's an afterthought for us of all the things that we focus on. So enlightening him. So I think as that generation gets older and more and more people become privy to it, I think they will realize that just because somebody has a ton of followers doesn't mean that they're necessarily that successful. Do you remember how reluctant I was to even get on Instagram? Do you remember that? Oh, I had to, I know, I had him literally almost everything we've done. I've had to beat it into you before it hits. Because I hit that kind of stuff. Look how long it took you to Twitter and look at how you do Instagram now. It's just tweets. And you got more popular. Come on, guy. It's so annoying to me the whole premise of the whole thing. Oh, it's new business. It's how it's done now. But when I realize I'm helping people, then it really makes a big difference. Yeah, it's like you starting a business forever and I'm in your buddy, I'm your partner, and I'm like, hey, you should get a website. Get a website and a business card, guys. You're like, no, I like to talk to people. No, I like to write actual letters and I put them in the mail with a stamp. Get with the terms, grandpa. Get a register. Smoke signals to my friends. I got a notepad. He's trying to write everything down. He's been working forever that way. Hey, did you guys get the email for Magic Spoon the other day? The new bowls? No, I didn't see that one. I've been dug. See if you can pull this up so these guys can see because I brought it up the other day. What do you mean bowls? They're selling bowls? I just ordered some birthday cake. It's like a kit. I'm so mad that they didn't send this to us first before. What the fuck's the point of having it? I'm calling Magic Spoon out right now. What is the point of having partners and not get the cool shit before everybody else does? I think he's supplying us with every noun that we'll get some more fruity, which is great, but I need to try that birthday cake. So I just went and ordered some. Birthday cake flavor. You can get it still. I thought it was just a limited thing they did. So you can still order that? No, you can still order it. As far as I know, there it is. Tell me that's not cool. That is cool. So it looks like it's kind of psychedelic. It's a little trippy. It's a little trippy. Yeah, that's cool. You kind of think about it, right? The way they name the flavors, the design, the psychedelic bowl. Yeah, like who's behind this? Think about it like smart stoners. Yeah, dude, like Toucan Sam and like, you know, all those things like what was the other? Lucky Charms. Like these are all like real like psychedelic cartoony kind of people. Well, there's no there's research that's done on like the colors. And so you know that. Yeah. Yeah, that's like, it has to be bright. Well, it's, you know, it's funny because it's like emulating fruit colors, right? And that so for us to eat artificial cereal, it's like bright colors and sweet means safe in nature. Yeah, right. So oh, this is bright. It's true. Sweet, probably safe. Bitter might mean something bad. Did I bring up on the show? I know, I know, I think I told you guys, I don't know if I brought this up on the show, but somebody on our forum posted the blueberries with banana slices in it. Oh yeah, I saw that. Did I talk about it on the show? I don't know if I did. Did you do it? Yeah, you said you did it. I did it. So you did the blueberry cereal and then banana slices. Yes. Did you figure out the macros on that with the protein and the car because you got a little bit extra carbs at the banana? No. The protein from the cereal? No, I feel like that'd be a pretty complete macro profile. No, it really is because the sugar and the carbs are really low on the magic spoon. So you boost it with the banana. You get a little, I think two grams of protein extra with a banana. No, it's, oh, but I'm going for the taste. That's what that was. Oh yeah. No, that sounds delicious. Do you guys remember when you figured out that you could eat cereal at any time? Do you remember that when you were a kid? I remember that. That was like real power. Yeah, I was like, it was mind blowing. Because when you're little, you know, you kind of do it, your mom, you know, this is for breakfast. And I remember, I think I was like 11 or 12. I was like, wait a minute. Dude, that was a pivotal moment. And when you get your driver's license, it's like equal. What do you mean? Being able to eat cereal whenever you want. Yeah. Yeah. It was just, it was incredible. And I'd have it for snacks and dinner. Well, I grew up in a house that we were allowed to do that stuff. It was all over the place, which is probably not a good thing. Did you have like no rules with that? Yeah. We really didn't have rules. It was like, what was in the cupboards you could eat? It didn't matter. It was literally, it was, you know, a fin for yourself. Man, you must have had pop tarts and cereal. It's wild to me that you were such a skinny kid growing up. You had access to all that stuff all the time. She just moved like every second. No, no, no. You're getting it wrong though. Like we didn't have a lot of food. You know what I'm saying? We had food. So I'm not, by no means. That's why there were no, there was no rules. Yeah. It was, it was like, Hey, if you can find it, you can eat it. That's exactly how it works. A box of cereal would make its way into our cupboards. Like once a month, if you're lucky, a box makes its way in there. So you just, if you see it, you devour it. I don't care if it's at midnight, tune the afternoon. It doesn't matter. And if you don't opportunity knocks, that's right. If you don't, one of the siblings might get to it. Did you ever make a sandwich with one slice of bread? We had to cut the slice in half and make it. William, let's slice the bread. Oh, I have folded the heel many of times. Oh, many of times. I've made a lot of heel sandwiches. Yeah. At our house, that was always what, right? You took the heel out and then by the time it would make its way. And then on the counter, there'd be two heels. Yeah. Two heels would last on the counter for a couple of days so that you could always, you could always rely on a heel sandwich. You know what I'm saying? This was my mom. My mom would make it. You know, we didn't have it quite like that. But you know, my mom didn't like it. She always thought it was silly to buy, think like, like, uh, like buns for hot dogs. She's like, why do you, why it's bread? She's just fold, just fold the slice. So she put a hot dog. You put cheese and mustard gets all soggy. Cause of the convenience, mom. You just fold it. You know what I mean? Soggy dog. Here you go, buddy. This is your thing or whatever. We did that plenty of times. Are there any other meals that were staples for you when you were a kid? A lot of mac and cheese. Um, and very much so did I have hot dogs on, you know, loaves of bread, bagel bites. Uh, I used to actually make myself cinnamon toast all the time. Cause you know, that's like sugar and then a little bit of cinnamon and butter. Dude, it was amazing. We did that Mexican style. So you did flour tortillas on the stove, got, got the tortillas and then you did butter and cinnamon. There you go. Oh, that's not bad. It's like a churro. Almost like a churro. I was just going to say it's like, it's like a churro. It's like a poor man's churro. All right, get inventive. That's hilarious. Yeah. Anyway, good time. Hey, dude, I read a study about coffee, Justin. Oh, hey, I'm another one. Did you just read one recently? I did, but this one's a little more positive. This one's pretty good. This one's actually pretty good. They found that women who drank coffee on a, on a consistent basis were just leaner than other women. So they associated it with body fat percentage. I'll read what the study actually said. Not just cause they were moving more. Well, that's why. See that? Well, so I was just going to say, let me read the study and then let's give our theories. So the studies found that women aged 20 to 44 who drank two to three cups of coffee per day had the lowest levels of a fat, 3.4% lower than people who did not consume coffee. Among women aged between 45 and 69. So the older they got, those who drank four or more cups had a, had a 4.1% lower body fat percentage. So, or, or sorry, not 4% lower body fat percentage, but 4% lower than the other group. That's different. That's hardly anything. That's different. Yeah. But still, they're, they're finding these associations. So what's your theory on that? Well, my theory is the same thing that I used to say to people that, you know, read something like that about the latest fat burner supplement that came out. And I would explain to them, it's full of stimulants. And so they're, what they're not telling you is they're not teasing out that somebody who has just took, you know, 300 milligrams of caffeine, you know, how wired are you? You know, you're moving, you're test sit down. Yeah, you're tapping your feet, you're moving your hands, you just got more energy. And so it's less about the supplement, what it's doing something inside your body that, you know, burns body fat. What it's doing is it just making you more active. And because you're more active, you burn X amount more calories. Therefore, they can say. It might do that. It might also suppress appetite a little bit. But you know, they found that caffeine does increase insulin sensitivity in the body over time. And this is by the way, this is for people who can tolerate it really well, which I think there's a self selection bias. I don't think people who drink three cups of coffee every single day are people that have issues with caffeine. I think you kind of rule that out yourself. And I mean, yeah, like I have family members that don't touch coffee because it makes them super anxious. So people who drink that much probably can tolerate it. But they do find that it helps with fatty liver, insulin resistance, insulin resistance in the brain, which is a big one, because they also connect it to better cognitive function. Now, what mechanism is going on there to make that? Like what is happening with the coffee that there is a caffeine pairing to a receptor that I don't understand? What's the what's what's what's happening? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm asking you. I don't know. I mean, that doesn't make sense to me. I think it might be that the dopamine has to do with the way that affects the brain. I actually don't know how and I don't think they really even know necessarily how it could work. But caffeine is a it is a stimulant, but it's actually a naturally occurring one. You see a lot of plants and teas and people have been consuming it for a very, very long time. So yeah, I've watched, I mean, my grandma's like 97 now, 98 actually. And I mean, she's been drinking four, five cups of coffee, like ever since I've known that's her source of water. Yeah, I guess. I mean, that's just she just constantly is drinking it like throughout the day. But it's and then that was back when everybody was saying like how bad coffee was. So yeah, that back in those back in those days studies showed that coffee increased your risk of cancer and heart disease and all kinds of terrible stuff. But they forgot to separate the fact that coffee smokers excuse me, coffee drinkers also smoked. Right. That was the big thing. So they didn't separate the two of them. Obviously, you know, that's what's going to end up happening. Dude, there's a lot of a lot of news still coming out about Rogan and his move and like there's a lot of articles written about this. Well, that's a big deal. It's a huge deal. You figure Google owns YouTube. You figure Apple one of the other monsters. And Joe Rogan by himself is responsible for millions of people being active on both those platforms. So literally Spotify acquiring him is a huge for him a huge fuck you to Google and to Apple. But even if it wasn't even if that's not his intent, that's what it is, right? So shame on them for not really bolstering their platform and really putting a lot of attention into it. Well, I'm very curious to what we're going to see now. So I just so Gary V said, you know, welcome to the podcast Wars. Right. Let it begin. Yeah, this is great. This is what you want in a market, especially for in the podcasting space. Let the Wars begin. They'll start fighting over, you know, podcasts. This is this was an article from the verge and I'm reading a lot of articles like this from analysts. Literally, this is the title, the podcasting world is now Spotify versus everybody else. Yeah, that's how that's how big of a deal is they're stamping. Well, that's how was it when TV started? It was like ABC NBC, you know, CBS, like how did all those networks start? Like who's the main player? Yeah, because they were broadcast. Remember back in those days, it was in cable. It was through the air. And I think it was regulated by the government. So they had only so many channels and they gave certain ones to certain companies. So I'm not quite sure how that worked out. Now the bandwidth is pretty much unlimited. So it's a little bit different, but still they're going to, you know, now what's your guys' theories? Because you think of Google and Apple, they're already massive powerhouses. So even though Spotify is starting to solidify as one of the best, you know, audio streaming services and soon to go after video, you know, they still are small potatoes when you talk about comparing them to Google and Apple. Do they flinch? Do they start getting involved in the wars and start acquiring people and offering contracts? Or do they let Spotify do all this work and then eventually one of those companies come and swoop them up? That's a good question. Maybe. You know, okay, so we talked about this when it came to streaming. Remember a while ago and we were speculating what's going to happen is the biggest streaming company just going to purchase the other streaming companies, but instead what we found is more competition. We're seeing, you know, Disney and Hulu and Netflix and, you know, Amazon's coming up with their own content. I think you're probably going to see something like that with podcast space where it's proving itself as its own platform, its own worth. So I would imagine more companies, even like a Facebook or somebody might start thinking about, oh, why don't we have a podcast platform? Yeah, because look at how the streaming video companies compete. It's not that they, which company has the best, you know, movies that are, you know, mainstream, it's which one is producing their own unique content. So that I feel like might happen where Spotify will produce their own podcasts and content and Apple will produce their own and, you know, other companies will produce their own. Oh, I don't think that. You don't think so? No, I think that's too much work and effort for them. Why would you do that when we are setting them all up to make it easy for them? We're all fighting over airtime and rankings and getting bigger and better. And then you see a company that has money that will, they can do the calculations. They can figure out Joe's getting this much attention. He does this much in advertising. Therefore, it's valued at this. Let's make him an offer. Yeah, maybe the first year, he's coming out on that offer the most over the course of two or three years, you know, we will win in the amount. And I just figure that they're are going to start doing that. They'll start acquiring people that are podcasting. I think the big ones are going to be the slowest to start, you know, acquiring shows and really doing like like strategy in terms of like trying to occupy content. I see like a Pandora or like these other competing services really trying to kind of follow suit to Spotify initially. And then that's going to be a thing. And then the big ones will come in later. The market likes it. Did you guys see what happened to Spotify? Yeah, went through the roof. They increased their value on the market over 5 billion dollars. What I don't know, and maybe Doug couldn't look this up, is I believe the last time I looked up Spotify, they're technically still not profitable. Check that out, Doug. Let me know if Spotify is crazy. It's so hard to tell now. It's the model with tech companies. I remember Facebook, Facebook hit the market. It wasn't profitable when it first hit the market. Now it's an extremely profitable company. I think the way they look at it is they look at how many users are on there, what their potential influence is. Right. Yeah. It's cornered the market. Yeah. Once you collect that, let's see, loss making Spotify will continue to put growth ahead of profit. Yeah. See, their goal is to continue to grow. And they have never posted an annual net profit. And yet, what are their shares at right now? 180-something dollars? That's so wild. I know, right? With no profit. Yeah, it's insane. Well, I mean, that's the model. Is Rogan going to be worth it? I mean, the people are speculating that he made, it was $100 million deal. I think it was way more than that. It was way more than that. I think it was way more than that. Yeah, I don't remember where I read that. But yeah, I think it was a big chunk. Well, Forbes says that Rogan has 200 plus million fans. How do they calculate he has 200 million? Well, he has 190 million downloads a month. So they figure that he probably averages about 200 million fans. That's a lot. Well, we know that we've talked about this before with our own audience and looking at the scale of the business and based off of downloads. It's not a great representation of actually how many people are impacting you. How many people listen to... I mean, we all know everybody in this room, obviously our podcast listeners, but there's times where I go months and not listen to a podcast. So you can't be the only person that's like this. You come in waves. Sometimes you're on it and you're listening to it every day, multiple times a day. Other times you're taking days off. So just a total downloads in a month doesn't give you a clear picture of actual users that are coming in and out of your business. See, okay, so here's the deal. You and I have been going back and forth as to whether or not they owned Joe Rogan's sponsorships. And I still am not 100% sure I have yet to read that that's exactly what's happening. Here's what Forbes says. Forbes says that Spotify is clearly betting that Joe Rogan's fans love him enough to follow him to Spotify and then produce a halo effect on other podcasts on Spotify, which it can then use to sell memberships and ads. I don't think they own his sponsors. I think... You just said it yourself. Membership and ads. No, which is okay. The halo effect meaning he's going to draw so many people over because what they... I'm not denying that. I agree with you there. That's not enough though. Really? Yes, that's not enough. Wow. Yeah. And they just said it right there that halo effect, bring them all in there and be able to sell ads on him. They're not going to allow him to have 30 sponsors that he's getting paid for and Spotify makes no money off of it. And then in addition to that, also do more ads on it. So you don't think it was just him bringing people over? No, it's not. You think it's more than that? I think it's more than that. I think that's how you get a deal that massive is it's not just the users that they're hoping they're going to acquire and hoping that are going to go to the $9 a month subscription. That's a big chunk. That's what probably makes it easier to justify $200 million. But the other piece is that they now have him on that platform. They will allow... They'll do... They're a network. So they'll go and they'll go after even bigger companies, right? Right now, we see a lot of small businesses are becoming savvy to the how good of a medium that podcasting is. They're setting the table to go after the Coca-Cola's and the massive, massive companies that are not. Well, along those lines, you want to hear something crazy. So on this Forbes article, they talked about podcast ad revenue in the U.S. alone. So this isn't even the world. What year did we start our podcast? Was it 2000? Five years ago. So 15. So 2015, when we started Mind Pump, U.S. podcast ad revenues were $105 million. Okay. That was total in the whole U.S. That's it. $105 million in 2015. Do you know what it's going to hit in 2021? So it was a billion. A billion dollars in 2021. So 2020 is bringing in $860 million and they projected to be over a billion by 2021. So that's just from 2015 to 2021. What a massive difference. That is insane. So now with a billion dollars in ad revenue being thrown around to in podcast, by the way, for the listeners, that's not like spread out over all the podcasts. There's a small percentage that are getting all that. 80, 20 rule. 20% of the podcast, maybe even less. I tell you what, and for those that are podcasters that are getting into the advertising space, it's the Wild Wild West and there's a lot of companies taking advantage of podcasters right now. There's this ridiculous idea that there is a formula for how you should get paid based off of CPMs. Which is just based off downloads. Yeah, which is comical to me because there shouldn't be a standardized, oh, everybody gets paid this much and so little insight on our business. That was something that we refused that and we could have taken on sponsors earlier on in the podcast and started to generate a little bit of money and it was very tempting because we weren't making hardly any money back then. But we refused to do that and because of that, it's paid off very well for us now that we negotiate every contract. We don't follow any of the CPM rules and we also have the partners that we want to work with. So yeah, we're pretty picky. So I urge any podcasters that listen to this show that are trying to grow their podcast and they want to try and make advertising money. Hold out for what you really want and don't jump on something right away just because you weren't making money and now you can make money. You'll make more money in the long run if you take your time and slowly negotiate contracts and wait for a promise. Well now that we're talking about billions of dollars in total revenue, I think you're going to see major brands really starting to spotify. I think this is the beginning of that. That has to perk up some attention from the big dots. Especially when they realize that how much power podcasts have in terms of conversion. Speaking of sponsors, the messages that I've been getting from our listeners who use Ned, the hemp oil, it's just going through the roof. It's incredible. It makes sense. It makes sense, man. It's such a stressful time for a lot of people. I was just talking to Jessica about this yesterday and we're fine. Everybody's healthy but a lot of stores in California here at least, still closed. It's weird when you walk around outside, especially if you live in a city, you see a lot of masks. You're doing small gatherings. If you do any gatherings at all, kids are stuck at home. It's just a total change in line. Then of course, every five seconds we're reminded to be scared, which is annoying. Every five seconds, we're driving and you see signs on the freeway. Be careful. Wash your hands, COVID-19, then you drive into the five minutes. Don't get to, keep gathering small, COVID-19. It's subtle. You don't realize how much of that you're taking in constantly. Courtney and I were talking about this and I was trying to get her to start taking it again. What a massive difference it made for her, especially in her sleep because sleep has been rough lately between the two of us. We're trying to figure out because we're wearing the blue blockers. We're trying to do all the stuff, but she was taking Ned pretty consistently and had much better sleep because of all that. I'm trying to get my mom to use it in replace of smoking. My mom's been an off and on smoker her whole life and she's a stress smoker, rough day at work or a little bickering going on between her and her husband or whenever kids driving her crazy. Then she breaks and then she goes and has a cigarette. I'm like, mom, instead of that, when you're on your streak of staying away from it and you get those moments of feeling stressed or anxiety like that, try this. I literally just gave it to her this weekend. I'll report back on how that's working out for my mom. I know there's no real benefits to what's going on with CBD and actually cigarettes, but I do know why my mom tends to lean towards smoking and if I can just get her to change. It gives her that physical release. Yeah, exactly. If I can get her to change that behavior, it may help with that. That's how I'm having her. That's what it is. It's not going to fix your problems for you, but it does change the physical response. There's a feedback loop in the body where my thoughts can make my body feel stressed and tense. Then the feeling that my body now has then feeds back into my thoughts. This is how anti-anxiety, herbs and plants and even medications work is they change the physical response. That feedback can then come back to you and be like, well, things haven't changed, but I don't feel the physical effects of stress. I think it can bring it down a little bit because when they're both active, it just feeds it. It feeds it over. It's like you get paranoid and then your heart's beating and you get paranoid about your heart beating fast and then that makes you more paranoid. It ramps it up even more. The feedback I'm getting is just people are like, man, I don't normally suffer from anxiety, but because of what's going on, I've just been tense and stressed. I've been using this during the day. It makes me feel a lot better. I'm a better parent because I don't feel so stressed out. I can make better decisions, so I'm glad that there's something like that out there. Back to our talks about these big companies, Apple and Google. Did you see that they officially launched their contact tracking software for COVID? There's already three states that are on board that are using it now and they're predicting that everybody will be on it now. What does it do exactly? It shows you hotspots. I think that's what it how it works. Honestly, I'm not familiar with the software. I haven't gone in and I just saw the announcement that it's official that both Apple and Google have got it out there. You know where people are that actually have it, and so they'll actually track them for you. If you're heading into a town and you're worried that there might be lots of people in the area. But it's not specific. It's not going to be like you walk up to someone and be like, oh, shit. You're on a date. I assume it's linked to their phone somehow. I don't know how it works, but we can track where our phones are at all times, so I would think that. I don't think it's going to share specifically like you're walking and you say, there's someone right there. Oh, I don't know. I hope not. I don't know. I don't just show like a map of red spots or whatever. Yeah, I hope so. I like that. If they do it right, I like that. It gives you a little bit more information, education, awareness. You make some decisions for yourself, you know, a little bit better, but the whole fear thing right now is just out of control, man. Every other thing I read, every the article, it's like, oh, stop. That's enough. Well, on a positive note, did you see now like with Tesla how Tulsa is really trying to get Oklahoma? Yeah, Oklahoma is trying to get them to move there for the Giga factory for the Tesla truck, the Cybertruck production. Between them and I don't know if it's Austin, Texas, somewhere in Texas is the other spot, but they actually painted like one of the iron worker statues all Tesla'd out and gold and everything. You know what? Trying to get his business. I didn't even think about that. Like if you were a state, would it be, wouldn't it, would it not be advantageous for you to actually offer them like a facility for free or land for free? All the time. Yeah, all the time. I didn't know that. So you're trying to womb right now. Oh yeah, all the time. When, what was, what's his name? Well, what a great place to be as far as leverage if you're here. Bro, Tesla Tulsa. I mean, I love that. Play on words already. That states have been doing that forever. So Ted Cruz, Senator from Texas. I did not know that. They would do this. They would actually do ad. They would put up ads and they would talk to big companies and say, Hey, if you come here, you'll pay this much less in taxes or we'll give you this, or you'll have this opportunity to lure companies over to provide more work and jobs. Yeah, no, it makes total sense. Like someone like Tesla or Amazon who employs tens of thousands of people to get them to come to an area where maybe it's slow economy slow. One reason why Holly, this one reason why Hollywood has been losing business for so long as people aren't want to film there because the taxes and the costs and all that stuff. Yeah, they'll film it over regulations. Yes. Yeah, this is this is something that's been happening for a long time. Interesting. It's one reason why California is continuously bleeding losing people losing business. California never did that before. We were growing a growing population all the time. But now we're losing people to states like Texas, I think is one of the one North Carolina, I think is another one. I can't remember where else you see you guys see that Facebook is reducing their their space down to like 25%. They're actual like brick and mortar, like people coming into the office. So they're just keep one way out one fourth right off the right off the top. Yes, we talked about Twitter staying at home now Facebook. It's gonna be really interesting how that changes. I think that's better. I think it's better because it reduces traffic still like that's the one thing the positive shining light. I didn't even think about that actually. Oh, yeah, dude, because it's been it's been crazy like the amount of traffic buildup over the last like two, three years, man. I've noticed just my commute. Wow, what if we do see that over here? We'll notice that more than anybody I would think. I hope we have so many of the tech companies right here as in our hub. I wonder if we actually never go back to how bad the traffic was just six months ago. People can just stay and do their work from home. Yeah, because I mean my brother-in-law's company you hear Twitter, you see Facebook now I'm hearing the same rumors from Google and stuff. If a lot of these companies now allow even just half their workers or quarter of their workers to work from home and not have to come in the office, that would make a huge difference on traffic. I would love that because one of the good sides about what's been happening is it takes me 10 minutes to get to work. I'm trying to focus on that. Yeah, like, oh, it's such a benefit to it. We drove home from Tahoe yesterday and commute hours and never hit traffic. I mean, we had a little slow spot for like 10 minutes, if that, but we blew home right at five o'clock, right in the worst part, too. Also think about it this way for the consumer. So obviously, probably cool for the workers. They get to stay at home. We talked about traffic, but now think about it as a consumer who buys products. Do you think Facebook's going to save money by not having to have all these offices? Of course. Absolutely. Now, those savings get passed on. Invest it back into the company. And not only that, but now companies will be competing, because how do companies compete? They offer better services for lower prices. If more people work at home and companies have to spend less money on offices, then the consumer's going to benefit. So one of the potential good side effects of all this is just more efficiency. In fact, that's typically what happens with economic downturns as companies learn to become more efficient. Yeah, they tighten up. See, my theory though, we might see a peak and then a drop, because I think that initially everybody thinks that's a great idea and they want to do that. But personally, it would seem like a little cool vacation after a while, but some people just were not made to work from home. And I think more people were not made to work from home than others. I think most people do better because they have... They need to like separate. Yeah, they have structure. They have a place that they come to work. They know when they get there, they have the pressures of everybody else working around them. That's a lot of responsibility on the individual to get up on time, start your shit, not get distracted and go watch TV or do other things. And so maybe we see this initial like, oh, it's so great. And then we see this kind of drop off after a while. It's like, keep that as an option. It'd be nice to have both options. Like you could come in or you could stay home and then there's meetings and stuff you got to attend, but for the most part stay home if you want. The more I think about it, the more I think it might be a good thing. I think people might adapt, of course, because you want to be around adults and stuff. So they'll figure that kind of stuff. But think about how many parents have to bring their kids to daycare. Yes. Have to do... How much money that costs? Work throughout the day. They can work from home. It might actually be overall a good thing for families. But then I can think of the opposite. I could also think, wow, now your work is not separated from home. Right. And you're just doing it a lot of more distractions. We talked about the Zoom call that we had with the Zbiotic, the whole competition and those two guys. Did you talk about, did we bring up like how smart I thought that was that they did that? Oh, yeah. We didn't talk about that. How they catered to... I mean, really, I love when we meet people that are big mind pump fans and listeners. They've been listening since almost the beginning. We did this whole thing with Zbiotic where we did a giveaway and then we did a Zoom call with them and we were talking. And I was just really impressed with both these guys and the way they're operating their business. And one of the things that I thought was brilliant was they know that there's a lot of parents that are stuck at home with their kids right now. So they rolled out this whole kids thing. They rolled out a kids program to help these parents to take them, do something active. And you got to think. Personally, I know a lot of... It's like PE. Yeah. A lot of parents right now are going and saying that weren't used to having their kids at home and screwing them all day long. How good do you feel if you have an option from your gym or your trainer now all of a sudden is offering these fitness classes for your kids? Not only are you doing something positive for them, keeping them active, but in addition that you're giving yourself a break for an hour or two. I thought that was absolutely brilliant. I think they did a really good job because the gyms have gotten hit really, really hard. I think that was a really smart way to just provide more value or continue to provide value to your people. And again, I think when stuff like this happens, you tend to come out the other end with more efficient, smarter businesses. A lot of people get hurt, of course, but some of them come out better off or whatever. So hey, a cool study on diets, by the way, which kind of confirms what we've been saying all along. They did this broad study on lots of different diets, low carb, higher carb, zone, the dash diet, all these different types of diets. And what they found was that they all produced right around the same amount of fat loss, all of them. And that all of them pretty much stopped working after about a year. So in other words, people lost weight on all of them, but after about a year, everybody stopped following the diet and then gained the weight back. So this highlights that it's really not as so what's really more important about than for helping you lose weight and keep it off is not so much the structured, I'm on low carb, I'm on paleo or whatever, but rather the behaviors that surround food. That's more important because you stick to a diet that's structured. And if you don't change what drove you to eat wrong in the first place, then eventually that wins. And a year later, you gain the weight back. I got some funny food news for you guys. So there is a pizza company that is popping up all over your door dash Uber eats that's like making waves right now. And it's called Pasula's or something. Can you pronounce that? Oh, Pasula's pizza or whatever. Yeah, I've seen that. Okay. So it's popping up all over the place and it's actually Chuck E. Cheese. It's just Chuck E. Cheese delivering pizza in disguise. Yeah. And I think because Chuck E. Cheese is not known for having great pizza necessarily, right? They're known for the environment for kids. So they changed the name. So they changed the name. Their delivery service is this like Pasula's pizza or some shit. But I just come up with a weird Italian name. No, I think it's really, it's very clever that they did that. Pasula's? Yeah. Pasula's. Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. That's hilarious. But it's popping up all, I think I saw it pop up on mine and I never, I was like, where's this pizza place going from? Dude, I tell you what, you know, think, now that I think about it. If you played in the, in the, in the balls at Chuck E. Cheese a lot, you probably are immune to coronavirus. I would think so. You built up a real serious immune system. You've been exposed to literally everything. Do you remember that? You jump in that thing. I have the kids sticking it in their mouth and shit. Yeah. Just blowing their nose. Yeah. I mean, what, what do they do? Like occasionally lice all it, you know, the top of them, you know, if that. There's nothing you can do with that. I was just hoping they'd look at it like, at least, at least 50 kids today sucked on those balls. They're somewhat clean when I was a kid. Runny noses and. Oh yeah. Dude, when I was a kid, my cousin and I grew up together. So like best buds. And we were like eight years old and we were at Chuck E. Cheese and we went and played in the balls. And then there were these other two boys that were kind of our age. Does that ever happen to you? You get in a rumble in the balls with your, with your, you got your buddy. Whoa. Oh yeah, dude. It gets real. He started, when kids started messing with him, he started wrestling with them. The other kid jumps in. Next thing you know, my cousin and I are like, we're driving these kids down deep into the balls. We're not letting them up. Drowning them in balls. Oh yeah. We're holding them down there. That sounds bad, but it's true. It's true. I remember the first time that I came back to Chuck E. Cheese as an adult, you know, it'd been like a decade or two in between. And I remember thinking like, dude, this was, I thought these were massive. When you're a kid, it just shows you like how it's different. Oh, it just felt huge when you're a kid. And you come in and you're like, this is like a little tiny pizza parlor. But the way they had the rooms all set up as a kid, you think it's massive. Yeah, it's funny. I just remember I was that kid that like totally like would punch the guy in the suit, you know, in the mouse suit, punch right in the balls. Like, like, come on, man. Like I was thinking, I went a little shit. I was terrible for that stuff. Yeah. What about the mechanized, you know, when they play the music? Creepy. Yeah. There's nothing fun about that. Oh, super creepy. Dude, you guys know, I've been talking a lot about like the whole artificial intelligence and, you know, that show and all this stuff. But, okay, so it's all positive. Like, oh, we're moving so far forward and everything. Well, not really. Okay, so there are trying to like make advancements in terms of like creativity and like art music and, you know, so anyway, they have one called Benjamin AI, which actually writes screenplays. And it's like, they just feed it maybe like a couple thousand scripts. And then it basically, it goes through all of it, finds patterns, and then shoots out its own kind of script. And it is the most like idiotic, like it makes no sense. But, but okay, so this director thought that, you know, it'd be a good idea to like try and have actors act all this stuff out that it just spits out. And it's the most awful thing I've ever seen. Dude, I saw this one. So they feed it tons and tons of screenplays. Yeah. And then what the AI does. Well, they pick a genre first. Yeah. So they pick a genre. They're going to do an action movie or something like that. They do an action movie. So they feed it with like a thousand actions. And then what the AI does is it tries to pick up, you know, patterns and match words that tend to follow other words. Yeah. Spits out its own full screenplay. And then this director tried to have people act it out. Bro, and he's all excited about it. Like, oh my God, what is Benjamin going to do today? It's like, dude, it actually makes me happy that machines suck so bad at that. You know, it's like humans do still have an advantage. What are you going to do when they don't? Then we're fucked. When AI makes the best movies. You think that's actually. I mean, we already use algorithms to create movies. You already see that right now. I mean, that's part of what I think it kind of sucks about. Well, based on what the consumer likes. Right. I mean, it reminded me of the book Hitmakers. And Hitmakers talks about this. Like, we've been doing this since like the 30s. Like we've found patterns in sounds. We've found patterns in plays and movies that people like. And so a lot of the, you know, quote unquote, creative artists today aren't so creative. What they do is they look back at common themes and types of. Yeah. It still requires though a level of creativity. Like you could tell me the formula. I'm not going to be able to create, you know, music and art. Like a lot of these people are going to be able to. Makes me wonder though in the future when AI is more self aware and it's creating this kind of stuff. And will humans not buy it on purpose? Because it'd be like, nah, that's not, that's made by a machine. Yeah. And then they'll be discriminating, you know. Totally. Robot discrimination laws. Yeah. You know. Well, it kind of reminds me of the same thing that we talked about with like human 3D printing. Like once everybody has access to print anything they want. I still think that the artist will, there'll still be a lot of value in that, right? Because that's what will make it so unique. Yeah. Like everybody can print a pair of shoes. Cool. But then this guy creates a pair that are so unique and different, like to get his patent or to get his 3D, whatever, code to be able to print it. You'll have to pay big money. So I do see that happening. Yeah. Well, look at music, right? Music, you used to buy albums. They would release a single, but oftentimes you'd have to buy a whole album. Nowadays music is so decentralized, at least in comparison to how it was before, that the way artists now are making a lot of the money isn't necessarily through music anymore, or selling it. It's more through the concerts. Yeah. So it's like it went back. Arch and everything, yeah. Yeah. So it's like it's going back in time where now the value is, I see you live. Whereas the music, I could get it free online if I want. I could listen to it on YouTube. You can continuously sell to them through your website and all that, but it's different. Yeah, yes. So it might do that, Adam, where everybody can get print whatever clothing and whatever they want, but oh, I got to go see the actual person, make it for me, and that provides more value. First question is from Gimmi Cashews. Is there any way to mimic the action of sled pushes at home? This is a cool one. Yeah, put your car in neutral, push it down the street. Yeah, that's one. Actually, sure. That's actually, I could. I didn't even think about that. That's actually really good. You got to have somebody in there steering the car, make sure you don't push it on its own because you can have a real pet. The risk factor goes up just a little bit with that, but I think too, if you've ever seen those moving slides that you put under couches. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you put your hands on those and you kind of lock out your elbows, and you get it down into the beast position, you could actually just kind of push your way forward and get a similar effect. Oh, that works pretty well. You know what else I was thinking about? We've been talking so much about the benefits of isometric exercises is getting to a wall and driving into a wall. So you're mimicking pushing a sled, you ain't going anywhere. I think that's a cool way to actually create a cool exercise that probably a lot of people don't do. So another thing you can do, it's similar to a sled push, but you're actually kind of pulling, is you can get a strap, these are easy to get, tie it around your waist, tie it around a couple heavy plates, do this on some grass, and then pull the plates behind you. So it's not hard to find a tie down strap or whatever, something that's not going to dig into your skin, put it on your waist, put it around the plates, you're on grass, so you're not going to hurt anything, you're not going to ruin the weights, and then put a couple plates on there and just drive and just walk. Yeah, actually I just remember we had an old YouTube video where I was like, I had one of those ab rollers, and I was doing that basically like doing a bear crawl. Oh, we did that? Yeah, I don't remember that. With the ab wheel, which was really difficult. We want to know what's a nasty exercise with an ab wheel. Hold on to an ab wheel, stabilize yourself, have your friend hold your legs like a wheelbarrow. Oh, God. Have them pull, have them pull, not push, but pull, so you're just... It sounds like a challenge. You got to keep your core tight the whole time. You know, the thing I love about sled pushes, and I didn't do... I never did these a lot in my career. I didn't do them a lot until I met Justin. And Justin, you know, we all worked out together once or a couple of times, and Justin always would include some kind of exercise that Adam and I weren't super familiar with. Unconventional stuff. Yeah, and I remember doing the sled and feeling good afterwards. I had this great feeling in my body. Part of the benefits of the sled is the fact that there's no negative portion to the rep. Now, negative... The negative portion of a rep is great for muscle growth. That's great for strength, all this other stuff. So it's not bad, but one of the detriments is it does cause a lot of damage. When you're just focusing on the positive, you can add a lot more volume with and get strength gains without causing so much soreness. So... Yeah, you can control your body a lot more too. It provides a lot safer way to really like express that muscle tension. Yeah, and so I just love adding them to almost any leg workout I can add them, or sometimes I'll add them to an upper body exercise where I'm getting into a position of pushing and then explode with the sled push and then continue. So this has now become an exercise I never did before that is now made into irregular rotation. Two of the most underrated exercises, in my opinion, farmer walk in the sled push. I mean, for those two, our sled pull for that matter. I think that they're just... They're so easily accessible for anybody to do and regardless of what kind of variables and limitations you have, those two exercises will definitely be great to add into your routine. Well, I know it's trendy to say functional, but they're such functional movements. Totally. Yeah, I think that's... I know DeFranco, who's one of the best trainers you'll find anywhere and is excellent with athletes, he, like, that was his thing. He used a lot of sleds with athletes, got a lot of criticism because they said, oh, that's going to slow them down because you're obviously not running fast and he says, no, it makes them faster. And then, of course, sure enough, he was totally right. It does make them a lot faster. It's a very functional movement. It's one of the more functional movements you could do that has so much carry over to your regular life, especially if you play sports. Next question is from Inspire Create Rain. I wear heels sometime, but they aggravate my knees. Is there a certain muscle issue or a problem I have right now that would cause such problems? Justin, what do you do from all the heel wearing that you do? Usually, my leopard print ones, they give me the most problems, right? They're the highest, so I really have to work around it. When I was a kid, this was back when it wasn't politically incorrect. I don't know if it's even politically incorrect to do these days, but when I was a kid, like, 10, 11, one of the more popular costumes for Halloween was to dress up like the opposite gender. So, you know, boys were dressed up like girls, girls were dressed up like boys. I don't even know if that's accepted anymore, but I do remember putting on heels as part of my costume, and I could not keep my balance whatsoever. It was pretty funny. But anyway, when you're wearing heels, you know, it does throw your center of gravity off a little bit, and you are going to place more stress on your knees because your knees have to stabilize or your quads have to stabilize and be tight to support your body. So, you're using your knees more than you would if your feet were flat. This is probably why you're feeling this. So, how do you work on that? Well, the same way you work on any chronic knee pain, aside from not wearing heels anymore, which would be my first piece of advice, the second piece of advice would be, okay, if you have to wear heels, focus on hip mobility and strength and ankle, especially ankle mobility and strength because your foot's always in this flex position, things get tight, and that can affect your gait quite a bit. Yeah, I would tell this person to make sure you go and you watch the webinar that I did, the one where we get into ankle and hip more, right? So, I would for sure watch the mindpumpwebinar.com and go to Maps Prime Pro, the movements that I teach in there. I think that's extremely... Now, isn't another problem too, like when you're in heels, aren't you in a locked out position too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, when we're kind of walking around, you have like a soft knee where when you're in a completely on your tippy toes, aren't you in a completely extended position? It's not just... I mean, I haven't worn heels so I don't know what it feels like. Yeah, I'm trying to picture this right now. Yeah, I'm trying to picture it and I envisioned someone with a almost a locked out knee. Well, think about it this way. You guys have done squats with your normal, you know, flat on the floor, right? You ever done squats with your heels really elevated? Yeah, on your tippy toes. Where do you feel it? Yeah. Quads, quads and knees, big time. So, it just changes the recruitment pattern so that you use a lot more quadriceps and if you don't have good hip strength and stability, then that could cause problems with your knee and it may be coming from your IT band. Now, foam rolling can temporarily help, but again, if you don't strengthen the hips, then you're going to have to continue to foam roll all the time to prevent that. But temporary relief, try this. Try foam rolling. Your IT bands spend 15 minutes. Like, do a good session on your IT bands. Get up, put your heels back on, see how you feel. You'll probably feel some really, really good temporary relief. Of course, remember, it's not fixing the root cause of the problem, but it is a great way to take away the temporary pain that you may be getting from wearing heels. Next question is from GabsIsRad. What are some ways to deal with relationship stress while quarantined with your partner? Have you guys seen the statistics on this? I don't need to. Yeah, exactly. I think it was fine. Yeah, I think it's just a universal thing right now with couples and relationships. This is that added element, that exterior element that has sort of created even more tension. Oh, yeah. You know, and it's funny. I don't think it's so much that you're just around each other all the time. This is what people are saying. Like, oh, we're around each other all the time. Therefore, you know, we're having a lot more problems. I don't think it's as much, it's that much of that. I think it's more that there's a lot of stress and anxiety and fears that's happening right now. Cause I could be locked, I could be in a hotel room with Jessica on a Hawaii vacation, be around each other all the time. And we're not getting in, you know, lots of fights. But, you know, right now it's just a lot more stress that's going on. And so how you handle yourself under stress is really what contributes to this. There's some self-awareness that has to go around. Like, are you actually maybe being more of an asshole yourself? Here's the thing. You can't control the other person. This is the most difficult thing. It's super easy when you're with someone and you're getting in arguments and you're getting on each other's nerves. It's super easy for you to look at them and say, that's what they're doing. They're in a bad mood. They're irritable. They're snapping at me. They're criticizing me. That all might be absolutely true, but because you can't control that, I think you're better off looking at yourself and saying, okay, how am I contributing to this? Am I less patient? Am I less kind? Am I being the one that maybe is taking things a little bit differently? We all have a, you know, we all have a filter that we receive information through. And that filter can make a comment seem negative or neutral, you know? You know, let's say Adam and I are roommates and I have this negative filter about him and he calls me up and he's like, hey, hey, we're out of bacon. And my negative filter might be like, this fucker, you know, he's telling me, I forgot the bacon. He's trying to remind me that I keep forgetting to buy the bacon. Now, if I have a neutral filter or a happy filter, I might just be thinking, oh, he's just telling me that we're out of bacon. Hey, just in case you go to the store. So that makes a really, really big difference. So this is true whether you're working with your partner or your business partner. Like you got to look at yourself and see how you're contributing. Cause that doesn't mean that doesn't diminish the fact that maybe your partner's doing certain things, but it's really the only thing you can control. I'm going to default to the book Love Languages and being proactive. So this is actually in my notes right now. So I better get on my ass and do this before this episode goes live or I'll look like a punk if Katrina listens to us first. And that is understanding that, you know, one of the things that happens with couples a lot of times when they get stressed out, in any situation is sometimes you feel like you're doing things that should make that your partner happy or should make them feel loved. But in reality, you're doing the things that are like related to your love language and not hers or his. And I have a habit of this, you know, I know the things that, you know, I monetary things, I like to buy things as gifts to Katrina. I mean, I could buy her a Range Rover and get a thank you. I could sit down and write her a card about how amazing she is to me and she'll cry and share it with, you know, 10 of her family members. So remembering that is so important. I have to remember that, you know, that that big action of what I think is love by buying her something that's cool or what I think is amazing isn't necessarily her love language, but taking the time to sit down and write her a card about how I feel about a relationship or how much I value her as a person goes so far. So, you know, I would urge whoever this is that's asking this question to dive into your partner's love language and what is it that makes them feel loved and feel good and be proactive about situations instead of allowing you to miss in that opportunity and then allowing outside stresses to cause stress on your relationship. So think about that. Think about the things that make her or him loved and that you know you can do. And many times, you know, at least in my experience, they aren't massive things, they're little things. They're those little things that show that you care. And that goes a long ways when you guys are dealing with so much stress. So that's in my own personal notes to be on top of that today. So I think that makes a world of a difference. Yeah, totally. I could echo all those sentiments. Also, I think some of this really helped Courtney and I at the end of the night. And I know some of these other gurus out there will really promote this whole gratitude journaling and just really like centering your mindset around what is going well and what things you're grateful for and thankful for and things that are happening that, you know, you can really focus your energy more on those things which then help to kind of promote a more positive environment around and two, to close out your day so you don't have these running thoughts about certain things that have irritated you about the other person or like things in the way that just keeps spinning and spinning and it just grows into something that it's bigger than what it should have been. It's like closing that loop with something positive has really been helpful. I like that a lot because I think if you agree, especially if you're not fighting, right? You're like everybody's level headed and you can say, okay, let's every night, let's talk about what we're grateful for regardless of what happens. I think that's good because it makes you feel more secure. I think one of the challenges sometimes when you're, I don't care who you're dealing with when you're having struggles is do you feel totally secure with that person? Like if I argue with my parents, I don't think in the back of my mind like my parents are gonna disown me. I know they won't, like I know I'm secure there so we could focus on really the issue at hand but if you argue with someone that you don't necessarily feel secure with then it becomes not just the situation at hand, it becomes like, oh my gosh, what does this mean about the rest of us? And so I think that gratitude what you just said, Jess and I think that could be really, really effective. Next question is from SheBeastSara. Are there any discussions or topics you guys have had that you each completely disagree on or can't come to a collective conclusion on? You know, we used to disagree more at the beginning when we first started Mind Pump but eventually I convinced everybody. We've all come around to come south. Now we all agree. A lot of times the disagreement, even back then I think because I remember I was probably the one who I tried to challenge south. There was a lot of times in this podcast early on where, and I still kind of do this probably not as much that I will challenge, argue, or debate and it's less that I just disagree with what you're saying. I'm always trying to think about what everybody else is thinking. Yeah, you're trying to voice other people's opinions out there. Yeah, it's also a great way to learn and to really meet. Right, yeah, exactly. Right, I wanna hear you elaborate. I know that you're such a great communicator and so you'll say things and I know that I've trained hundreds of clients that I've had to go deeper on that subject or that have challenged that with me and so I'll come out sometimes and challenge something that he's saying not so much because I disagree but because I know that there's a lot of people that are thinking in their head that they don't agree and so I want him to explain deeper and us have more dialogue. The only thing, we probably challenge each other the most on things that actually don't make the podcast that are more centered around the business. Yeah, the whole total, we don't really disagree over fitness and nutrition stuff. Yeah, I mean, if you've been doing fitness long enough like the three of us, you begin to kind of come to all the same conclusion. It's what we find with any of our peers too. So when we link up with a Joe DeFranco or a Ben Pacolski or a Ben Greenfield, people that have been doing this for decades, there's not a lot of stuff that we really disagree big time on. I mean, it's science, application and then experience and when you got all of that for that long, you all kind of come to the same conclusion. Now, maybe we have different strategies, like we definitely have, when we talk a lot on the show, the way we coach somebody, maybe there's things that I focus more on, Justin focuses on something else Sal does that are a little bit different, but I don't think it's areas that we necessarily disagree with. And even when it comes to, because this is something that we all practice, I think this is a very important practice as well. It's very valuable because inevitably when you work with partners, you're going to disagree at some point on something. That's just the way it is, okay? People are different, you're going to. But at the end of the day, when you decide to move forward, you all have to adopt it as if it was your own idea. This is very important. We've made business decisions that not all of us agreed on, that didn't work out or that did work out or whatever. At the end of the day, if we're sitting in your arguing or debating what's a better option and how we should we invest this and what should we do here? And we all decide, okay, that's where we should go. We all accept it as our own idea. This is very important because it's not necessarily as important if the idea succeeds. It's not hard to adopt an idea that succeeds. That's really easy, like, oh, you know, I know Justin came up with that idea, but I'm part of it and now that it did, it crushed. Yay, you know, I'm glad we did it, right? It's when an idea fails, which is going to happen too. Look, if you swing your bat enough, you're going to strike out and you're going to hit some home runs. So it's very important that when we move forward or when anybody moves forward, if you move forward with your partner, that if they have an idea that they are totally for, you're not really sure about, but then they eventually convince you now that you're moving forward, accept it. Because if it fails, that's when the partnerships get stressed. What you don't want to be is in a situation where an idea fails and then your partner or whatever- That way it piles on. Yeah, oh, I knew it. I told you, that was supposed, because what is that going to do for the future? Well, that's going to prevent us from moving forward with strength and confidence and unity. It might either make you feel like you can't voice your ideas or it might make you feel like now you can't agree with the other person's ideas because they didn't agree with mine. So that's super, super important. So although we, and we do, we get in debates and stuff all the time, you're right, Adam, it's never on the podcast now because it doesn't have anything to do with what we would podcast about. But at the end of it, if we do something that I don't agree with but we're doing it, now it's my idea too. All right, let's do this. Usually the only ones it's like we're speculating because like you said, most of the things that we know really align well with everybody's backgrounds. Like everybody has different experiences, training people and finding different nutrition ways to coach and behaviors that they focus on. But as we all present them, it's funny how it all connects. All those dots align and then you get a deeper understanding of what that truth looks like. So we're always trying to find that. So even if somebody brings up an idea, it's like, well, what are the other things to consider with that idea? You know, what are other angles there that I could kind of pick apart? But it's not really like a definitive, like, well, no, this is what it is because I don't know that most of the time that we do have a different opinion, it's that it's not fully formed yet. No, I think you have to, I mean, I'll speak for myself. I value us succeeding and I value our partnership more than I value being right. Oh, all of us on that page. Right, so, and that's a great- That's a winning team. That is a mindset that will lead to success. If you value being right more than those things, you're screwed. There's no way you're gonna possibly succeed. Well, it's really hard for the three of us to really disagree on something that we've each been doing for two decades. And again, it's science related, right? It's just, it's hard to have like a staunch difference of, oh, I totally disagree with what Sal thinks about this. And there are that with the business because the business is so new, right? The business is ever evolving. And there's so many different avenues, right? So a lot of times off air, what you don't get to hear is, you know, us maybe arguing over like, no, I think we should put more of our focus here. No, I think we should put more. And the reason why we argue in debate is because there's uncertainty, because none of us can say, I built this media fitness company before. And so it's speculation. We think that this will happen. And what's great about that is Sal hit it on the head is that, you know, we all buy into whatever we agree on, no matter if it was something I was pushing against and saying, no, I disagree. Once we agree, I own it. And if it fails, I still own it. And it's not, see, Sal, you were wrong. It's like, you know, none of us knew. We were all speculating. The best way to find out is to agree upon something, take action, move forward on it, find out if it's going to fail or if it was the right decision. If it was the wrong decision, we move and we pivot the other direction. And the faster that we can come to an agreement on that and accept that, the quicker that we can get to the right answer. And plus, you know, you want to embrace disagreements. So long as you, is again, you have a healthy partnership because, look, let's say you are very risky minded. You are aggressive. You want to take lots of chances and you want to throw caution to the wind. Imagine if your partner was exactly the same way, right? We can think of the risks being amplified. What if you worked with a partner who was more cautious and conservative? Now you might have a little bit more balance. Now you might have a more balanced approach. So, I mean, if we were all exactly the same, if there were, you know, if my three partners were all exactly like me or if they were all like Justin or Adam or Doug, you probably would not find as much success. You would have less disagreement. You'd have no disagreement, but you'd find less success. So, you got to kind of embrace all of that. It's all part of the game. And I also think it's hard. And this is why partnerships, whether you're talking about marriage or business, usually fail. It requires everybody to understand that. It's very, very difficult. Look, we have another, we are gonna air another prime webinar. I think this one's on the 30th, if I'm not mistaken. And this is the one where Justin is gonna be teaching you how to do a self-assessment. Okay, so he's gonna take you through a self-assessment. He's gonna teach you how to prime your body. Go to mapsprimewebinar.com, sign up. If you show up when it's airing live, we will all be on there answering questions. We'll actually be on video. You get to see us with our, at least me with my quarantine here. So it's a real good time. So make sure you go and check that out. Also, I don't know if you know this, but all of our podcasts are recorded on video. So you can, I know you like listening to us, but watching us might be fun too. You can see what we look like and the funny gestures we make. And sometimes Justin wears funny hats. Anyway, go to YouTube. It's the Mind Pump Podcast page. And you'll see all of our podcasts on video. And we also break them out, break them down question by question. So if you just wanna watch the answer to one question, you can do that only on YouTube. It's the Mind Pump Podcast.