 Thank you, Martí, we are going to follow with the first table and as you said we always try to mix experiences, the new programs, the projects from the roots and also some reflections about the nowadays debates on commemorating Europe but the first table it's my honor also to give the floor and to say hello to the colleagues from the European Commission, first of all Gilles Pelaio, Buengior, he is head of unit of the SERF program at the IACA agency, ACEA and he was the responsible also to improve and to follow this project and how to move this project from one general direction to the other and how it's now bigger than it was before and the challenges nowadays and how is this program is going to continue and to follow and also to say hello to Peter Fabian Hayek from the DG Justice and he is responsible of the remembrance strand of this SERF program to SERF program it's a citizenship equality rights and values and how these remembrance public policies are interaction with this platform to help these stakeholders civil society associations inside this citizenship program so first of all Gilles, thank you very much, Constance, Martí for the for the house and Jordy for your room it's always very good to to be back in this format of meeting annual and it's nice because it allows us to really as an amenity take a bit stock of the elapsed year and the purpose of our intervention will be to to take stock of how the you know the funding programs on remembrance have evolved over the the past 12 years I will start with a very it's a general since set up presentation on the overall parameters of the program and then better Fabian Hayek who is a co-coordinator on on remembrance will share more focus and more detailed information on on this part of the program which is I think of a greater interest to the participants and to the member of the the euro network and and other let's say friendly participants so just to say that the the elapsed year has been quite quite eventful when we left each other last year in December 2020 the new programs were not finalized yet completely the let's say the even even if there was a kind of political agreement at the top of the EU level let's say the exact parameters and and budgets for remembrance and generally for our program were not set yet today we are in a much much better place because we we have the citizens equality rights and values program that has confirmed the interest in the importance attached to to working on remembrance issues on on history and and that is good and that is comforting for actors like you in terms of the the budget also the political signal has been sent that this is an area of growing importance because from an initial let's say estimate of in excess of 600 million euro the budgetary authority that is the the european parliament and the council have pitched it pitched it for the the programming period 21 27 finally at 1.55 billion euro for the overall program and not only for for remembrance so this is quite significant and since we are hosted here by the european parliament i would like to to salute the the pivotal role of the european parliament in making this happen because members of the european parliament on many sides of the the political spectrum have really supported this this program throughout the negotiations so so that's one one important point the objectives of the citizens equality rights and values program are wider than just remembrance indeed they are broad the the general objective is to to protect and promote the rights and values as a enshrine in the EU treaties and the EU charter by supporting civil society organizations and local actors all their stakeholders active at the local regional national and transnational level because we also work with the local authorities in some components of the the program so there are four major components in the in the program the union values trend because strong emphasis has been put on the union values and the union values trends we we will do we are already doing what we call operating grants to to civil society organizations so it's my privilege and pleasure that this is already a call for proposals that we have done and i can congratulate uh your home for being selected again um for four years framework partnership with us so um that gives you know a long-term visibility to to big uh partners at the at the european level and and it's let's say comforting to see that the important work done by the network will be able to to continue with our support over the the coming four years there is a second strand that's called equality rights and gender uh that is uh managed by our colleagues in digital justice which is the successor of the rights equality and citizenship program and then there's the the third trend third strand called citizens engagement and participation and that is uh where remembrance activities are are being supported so the this trend is the is the successor to the european citizens uh program so it's been incorporated in this broader bigger program and the citizens engagement and participation strand uh repeat is is where we will launch uh calls for proposals on the remembrance as um as peter will uh will explain there is a fourth trend called the daftness trend um focused on the the fight against say violence notably domestic uh violence violence also against women and it's um also an important element of what we do this is also managed by our colleagues in digital justice so that's globally uh the the the scene that i wanted to to set um so confirmation of uh the growing importance of working on uh on memory issues this has been confirmed at the political level the um evolution of you know political uh debates all across the continent illustrates even more than ever uh perhaps the importance of having uh transnational approaches to uh history to memory to memories and um and we will continue over the uh the coming now six years because the first year is already about to to finish i now give the the floor to to peter fabian hayek who will zoom in on the um the exact uh let's say singularities and parameters of the remembrance action within the program hello so i'm peter fabian hayek uh just a little correction to geordi i am also from the the agency the european edification and culture executive agency i i'm replacing uh yoannes burman who was supposed to be here from digi justice as as you very well said so my presentation will will go about the the the 2022 edition of the european remembrance program so the the one that is uh to come and also uh i will briefly and uh first and present uh uh sorry uh i share my screen the the results of the of the last call which was 2021 uh this year we we published two programs basically because uh because of the the nature of of the new programming so uh very recently on the 16th of november we have published our last program but first let's speak about the key figures of the 2021 which have been shared with the with the applicants um on tuesday morning uh through the funding and tender portal and you can also uh just show you see it on the web page of the of the 2021 program by going to topic updates and here you can see all the all the results so basically this year uh the deadline was on the 22nd of june at the 17 hour russles time it is always this uh uh as opposed to the european citizens program where it was at noon but uh okay it's just an interesting fact uh the the cost budget was uh 4,515,000 euros we received 95 proposals of which uh we had 84 eligible we have selected 27 proposals uh on the main list for funding so we began the contracting with them and four proposals were placed on the reserve list so for the next call the 2022 uh euro for european remembrance sorry uh the call has been published on the 16th of November as i said sadly however due to technical issues that we that is above our our head so we cannot uh solve it ourselves we need for this the the the it department uh to to be able to solve this problem so we we expect to open it as soon as possible the deadline for submission will be on the 24th of march uh 2022 uh the evaluation will run from month to june uh notification of results from june to july and uh we expect to to start the signature of the plan decision in august and which will last until october um yep sorry just a second i need to fix here okay voila the budget for this new call is eight million euros and um um a drastic change compared to the euro for citizens program where we also had the european remembrance uh uh action is that there are no more limits to the to the maximum grant requested in this uh program this is a lambson type of grant uh as i will explain the objective of the of the call is is to support projects in that commemorating defining events in modern european history including the causes and consequences of authoritarian totalitarian regimes and the tracing of onus among european citizens of the common history culture cultural heritage and values thereby enhancing their understanding of the union its origin purpose diversity and achievements of the importance of mutual understanding and tolerance so our priorities we have two priorities um under the first priority applications uh are expected to to commemorate research and to teach about crimes committed under the totalitarian and authoritarian regimes with a priority on holocaust remembrance research and education but not exclusively holocaust this is the first priority but projects under this priority can also focus on other crimes committed under totalitarian authoritarian regimes in the modern european history of course under the second priority projects should focus on the key role that resistance plays in fighting occupation overthrows totalitarian regimes and paved the way for democratic transitions in europe projects under this priority should analyze and highlight resistance and organize the opposition or highlight the democratic transition including attempts providing justice for victims or focus uh on how the EU accession influence democratic standards and practices of the new democracies throughout the accession process of course there might be overlaps between these two priorities so the project i mean the applications and the projects can treat both of the priorities if they want but they should at least uh focus on one of those two priorities so yeah in order to be eligible the activities should be in scope with the objectives of the program and they should address one or both of the two priorities as i said they should include minimum two different organizations develop two different eligible organizations develop different types of activities and make them accessible to everyone involve different target groups preferably they should be implemented preferably at transnational level they should share and promote memory promote the memory and legacy of the crimes committed by totalitarian regimes as well as research to curb distortion as uh Jordi already mentioned this during his introduction speech and they should also foster a culture of remembrance and understanding so what we expect from this project is to is to allow a european approach to history related to holocaust and to add the european dimension to relevant debates on important historical events and moments of the recent european history they should contribute to create lasting changes in participants attitude towards european history its values and its culture to counter holocaust denial and distortion which is at the at its peak now when in these times apparently the to identify safeguard and make available archival materials uh testimonies and authentic sites for education purposes commemoration and research and to encourage common culture of respecting fundamental rights and EU values in the target audience so what should this will be the technical part of my presentation for those who want to apply to our program i mean to our call so the proposal submits should be submitted electronically and i will come back to our home page just to have a practical view so when this is the the new call as home page european remembrance 2022 so here you might find all the links to the relevant documents in the topic conditions and documents you will find the the budget overview and all the metadata on the on the on the call and as soon as it will be opened here you will be able to to access the submission forms that i will also show later if the time permits and i'm coming back to my presentation so the or not okay so the the proposer should be submitted electronically as i say through the fntp portal they should be complete and contain the mandatory annexes and they cannot exceed 70 pages i have to say that it it should be sufficient normally to to have this you can you there are some i have to say indications in the part b as we call it the that you should respect for lump sum proposers such as such as this one and if you respect them and you you don't duplicate tables that are not used for lump sum you can also gain pages if you want if you need so the to be eligible applicants should be legal entities public or private bodies from eligible countries for the time being only you member states are eligible but we are expecting to to have other countries associated to our programs as soon as they begin negotiations with the with us we can begin the the negotiations on the association agreements which will allow them then to join the program we try to update our sites on the eligibility of countries i mean not try but we do but for the time being only you member states are eligible so if you intend to involve non-member states they can be associated partners in the project which is also allowed by the new proposal template the the applicants should be public original authorities or non-profit organizations including civil society organizations survivors associations and cultural youth education and research organizations applicants and partners should be registered in the participants register and should have a big number at the application stage this big number should not be valid taken they just have to create a big number so the other conditions is that as i already said that the consortium should be composed at least of two applicants two eligible applicants because associated partners are not are not applicants per se and are not beneficiaries so eligible activities i have already explained this the geographic location other than the the eligible countries the activities should also be organized in eligible countries eligible i mean eligible for funding you can always organize activities outside the eligible countries but then the activities that are organized there will not be eligible the project must comply with the ethics and EU values as described in the article two of the treaties on the european union treaty on the european union an article 21 of the u-charter of the fundamental rights and they must also comply with the child i mean applicants should have a child protection policy as soon as they will they will interact with children's or will will involve children's in their activities if not or if i mean if some members of the consortium will involve children in their activities those members should have a child protection policy this is mandatory the so at the later stage the financial capacity will be checked for those that are selected based on the rules that are established in the in the program but the operational capacity is is checked by the experts and assess assess together with the award criterion quality the the award criterion are the following relevance quality and impact the relevance has a minimum pass score of 25 points out of 40 quality has a maximum core of 40 and impact has a maximum score of 20 and the project overall i mean the application's overall pass score is 70 so if a project doesn't reach an application doesn't reach 70 points or in relevance 20 to 25 points then it cannot be selected for funding the i must also as you will see put an emphasis on the gender perspective of the projects because it's integrated in in the relevance part and in the in the quality part and directly also in the in the dissemination impact the part of the project this is an overarching aspect and the should be taken really into account during the the planning of the of the activities and the and the call so the under the sub criterion under the criteria relevance the following sub criteria are are checked so whether the the project is relevant to the objectives and the priorities of the call if the needs are clearly defined and the the needs assessment is clearly established in the project if the target group is clearly defined and and the the gender perspective is also taken into account in the selection of the target group and the other aspects if the project contributes to the EU strategic and legislative context whether it has an european and transnational and or transnational dimension if it is suitable to transfer good practices and if it has a potential to to develop mutual cross border cooperation uh voila so the the of octane and quality will treat uh about the the clarity and consistency of the of the application and the future project the logical links between the identified problems needs and the solutions the methodology of implementation with again the gender perspective as it is highlighted in red uh under these criterion that it is also assessed how the project is feasible within the proposed time frame and um yes so sorry this is not what i wanted to do uh this is what so and under the last criteria criterion uh impact uh we are looking for uh the ambition and the expected long-term impact of the results on the target groups and the general public of the application the appropriate dissemination strategy for ensuring sustainability and long-term impact a potential for a positive multiplayer effect and how the project is sustainable on the long term if uh and after the EU funding ends so you can see in the new call we have only three main criteria uh compared to four that we have had before so what makes a good proposal it a good proposal should already have uh be in line with the policy priorities and have a clear focus these its objectives should be realistic and relevant to the participating organizations and target groups uh it should address real needs in the field it should have a real established well established methodology should be consistent with realistic project objectives methodology and activities the budget should reflect the foreseen activities it is especially important for lump sum projects because as uh it is described in the call document we we are uh promoting i mean the the lump sum is based on events so it means that the all your activities should be organized around events uh as such to be able to to claim uh to claim uh funding i'm sorry my kids are having homeschooling and so so yes and the budget should reflect on on the forcing activities as i said coming back to this the the lump sum is established through events one event can be composed of several activities but one event should be presented as one work package in the call for proposal in the part b of the proposal and and yeah the deliverables should be organized around this the partnerships should be strong it means that the the partners uh and they will come back in the next screen and the the realistic it should promote realistic and sustainable results and a good media coverage so if you have a project idea in mind before starting to complete the application you have to take uh uh time to formulate this idea maybe download the the project documentation and and then review it very well try to try to organize your ideas on how the the data are requested from you and be sure that your project fits into the european remembrance objective and priorities of course and ensure that the partners that are involved in the project uh have been uh have been involved in the creation of the of the project itself because we see sometimes that the partners don't even really know what the project is about and uh until uh submission and that allow time as i said for drafting reviewing and redrafting the project so this is basically uh the same so this is again um partners should be familiar with the application and you should be familiar with the implementation of the the project the the numbers dates and venues of the meeting should already planned in advance of course this is a application is a plan but if you have a strong plan uh you have then you can formulate your ideas around that so i don't know if uh i still have the time because then i will just present the technicalities i don't know if someone can tell me if i still have the time or i think it's good okay so this this will be uh you know the submission procedure on where to find the call how to create your application and the the proposal structure so first again i will go because okay we have the print screen but uh i think it's even better if you if we go directly to the web page and we go to the funding and tender portal of the commission which by now i think that most of you must know uh so this is uh i go to the home so here you you can find us here in the citizens equality rights and values program serve okay but there are several so you click here you you fall here and you can search on on our programs and on the program and the and the calls and the news on the program and but what i like to use is this one to find the cost of proposals and tender so here you can write serve or european you know remembrance or just remembrance and it will it will show you the i mean the last one which was the remembrance 2020 of the europeans or europe for citizens program and here the already closed the 2021 call and the open one that that is here so here you will find the main topic description the size set topic conditions and the the i will come to that the standard proposal template and the lump sum calculator i will show you a print screen about this that it will be visible when you enter through the start submission you will have to click on the button it will lead you to the so-called sub submission page and there you will be able to fill in the data the the main data for the applicants so now i come back to the print screen okay this is what you will see you will click on it start submission and you will arrive to this page so in in if you don't have a peak or your partner organizes organization doesn't have a peak they should first register on you have to go to again the funding and tender portal and click on register which will be in the upper right corner and you register your organization at this stage please be aware that only as applicants so here we are talking about multi beneficiary projects so all the partners are applicants as well except the associated partners so the applicants should have should be eligible which means that they should be non-profit or local or regional authorities which means that when you fill in and you register please take good care of filling it as non-profit if you are non-profit and because then it can cause problems at the later stage too okay so then when all the peak numbers are ready you can begin to create your application so here you at this page you can by typing your organization number you can you can find the organization if it has already a peak number of course and you put your peak number there and you you pick your organization so the first organization will be of course the coordinator organization the single point of contact between the commission and and the project and then you add one by one your organization here of course don't pay attention that this is a card litty page because I cannot show you pages since the project is I mean the 2021 call is already closed but this is basically the same registry process so by adding partners you can again fill in with peak numbers you'll find it and you can add them you can also add affiliated entities if if you need to and add associated partners to your project so the coordinator as I said is the main point of contact between the the commission parts of the of the application but the partners are there also you know to help to reach the objectives and solve the problem so the day we advise now since we moved from a monobeneficiary project not only advise it is in the contract to have a consortium agreement in which you agree on the different aspects of the management of the project distribution of funds and so on and so forth okay so this is the proposal structure the part a is the online form this is basically composed of the main key data on the organization on the budget distribution and the and the keywords related to your project and the abstract of course this you will fill in in the screens that I showed you here here you will have the possibility down to to fill in with the abstract that that will be then generated when you go to save and go to next step and then generate proposal so the part b is an annex which you will be able to find at the yeah in this uh print script we don't have it sadly but maybe ah yes here the part b is an annex part b templates are composed for our call from the ransom calculator and the so-called part b the part b is the project description so this is where you have to describe your project from a to z with all the data that are that are that you think are important and are asked from the from the the template in the template sorry so the part b will you have to download it and then re-upload it as a pdf it can be maximum 70 pages you have to know that the the the the the program I mean this this interface will cut anything above 70 pages so if you have important data which are at the end of the projects which I think if I'm not wrong they're related to the child protection policy and this kind of thing it can be cut if you are above 70 pages so you have to take good care of entering this page limit description of the or so it contains the description of the projects and applicant organizations work packages activities the annex one is the budget calculator template I will show you this very soon a list of key previous projects for the last four years this is also integrated in the part b so if you have it inside then it's also sufficient to have it there the child protection policy can also be described in the part b and you should as much as possible give if you need the child protection policy and have a child protection policy which is a must then please give the your website when this child protection policy can also be found for for experts to evaluate but also develop it in the proposal the party online is an online form which contains mainly the the type of organizations the priorities that you have chosen and the the basic indicators on the part t you will also find in this main part did forms and you click on edit forms you you fall on the part a and if you click on part c we fall on part c and if you download the part b you will of course have the parties so this is the structure of the part a as I said so the general information participants budget uh and the part b is structures on or main structures are basically like the structure of the the above criteria so relevance quality impact the work packages and activities timetable and the ethics and new values part and other declarations so this is the it's table of content and this is how the the lump sum calculator looks like so here as you can see you have one event which should be one work package in your part b and one event the same c of country and here you have to define the the in the calculator on whether it's in c2 or online how many countries of residents of the participants are involved and how many participants direct participants are involved if you have several activities for one event the part the the participants should be unique participants I mean if one participant participates in several activities of the event can he or she can be counted only once of course so here uh the parts is such a structure as I have already explained and uh yeah so that was a quick ending to this uh proposal because yes so voilà so if you need support you can always go to the funding and then the portal and there click on the support you if you have technical problems don't leave the submission of your proposal to the very last date okay because there can always be server problems in the commission you can have access problems so if you can identify your access problems you can always do it beforehand and what I can suggest to you because this this so-called e-grants where the funding and tender opportunities portal where you submit your proposal you can always when you have submitted the proposal you can always come back you can say okay I want to withdraw it then you will still have the data okay to edit but you can already see if you have a submission problems or something like this you can always do a test uh uh you just have to if you if you don't want to to keep it you just have to withdraw it or delete it or or whatnot so you can always play with this with this page I think it's it's very useful compared to our previous previous platform that we had it is uh it is much more user friendly in disrespect not in all respect but this respect it is so you will have an online manual which so which look like this you well you can have the the FAQs on the portal the new call will be populated with the FAQs as soon as we can open the call and if you have uh I mean content related questions you can always send them to the eacea-serve at ec.europa.eu and you you mark that you are you you highlight that you are requesting the guidance for the European remembrance uh uh call and then it will fall to to my man and my colleague's hand and will answer as soon as we can so these are other reference documents that you can find under the the tab how to participate with the server relation work programs standard application from the pdf model grant agreements and reporting templates and these are the the useful links as I already presented them so as I I think I didn't finish my idea on so don't leave it at the last moment but if you have technical problems you have to contact the the help desk of the it help desk for the funding and tender portal and which will be displayed of course on the on the submission page the help desk that you have to contact and I suggest you to put the eacea-serve at ec.europa.eu in copy uh if this is in the last moment I will probably ask you to send them your part the the last version of your part B so don't forget to include this as well be proactive on this respect so that if there are any real technical problems that I identified and confirmed by the help desk after the after the submission uh they they they will be assessed and uh not sure but maybe they can be accepted this is uh this is uh this e-grant's procedure is less flexible in this respect than the europe for citizens programs last platform was in this respect so and thank you and uh I think there will be a questions and answer session so I'd be happy to answer to your questions many many thanks for your presentation it's really sometimes for the the small civil society organizations not uh I mean as universities or something but the really small ones had and we'll have maybe many questions and issues it's new new new new new portal but uh but it's very important also this technical explanation and of course uh we open the floor to the people who have questions uh on the chat or even if you go if you would uh ask some questions to to the content in general the program to Jules Palayo or just technical questions on this uh nowadays open call for this 2022 so we have a small time now till 11 o'clock to this before moving on to the next table maybe I can start with with the question just to allow for some time for other people to jump in uh maybe it would be a question mainly for uh Gilles uh yesterday uh the french president Macron uh announced among the priorities of the the french presidency for for the coming semester for first half of of uh 2022 that history will be history education mostly will be one of the of the priorities they intend to work and I think he even announced a meeting or some kind of initiative at the end of the semester so my question would be is there already some some work being done with the presidency of the council in this respect or this comes more likely as a new thing that we'll have to unfold uh during the presidency so in other words I would like to know you have mentioned and I think we're all very grateful for that that remark about the the the collaboration let's say or the working together between the european parliament and the european commission so my question would be uh how about the council and the commission and more specifically in the view of the upcoming french presidency thank you very much thanks party to be honest let's say I don't have details about what the french presidency has in mind it was very interesting and refreshing to see that history would be one of the the priorities of the next EU council presidency fortunately uh in part thanks to networks such as uh Johan we really don't start from scratch at the european level and the you know the remembrance trend of european citizens for for a very long time has fostered um european approaches um to to history and you know there were even initiatives before the the program let's say the the european level of governance has devoted financial means to to supporting such such a project so I'm really really excited uh it's true that let's say in the uh in the among the the three uh institutions parliament commission council I mean until now it hadn't been so much so much of a of a priority perhaps talking about history issues but but now let's see let's see what they they come up with and it's good to have active networks such as a home to be able to to cheapen this this initiative at our level we will make sure that our partners our beneficiaries can uh can bring their uh let's say firepower uh and then and analytical capacity to to whatever initiative is taken by um by the french you know over the common the coming semester thank you I think that there is a question to Fabian how how will you operate regarding those actions not selected in 2021 that want to apply again in 2022 is there any specific recommendation besides for um resolution yes if you if you I'm sorry the so if you look at on the feedback that was given to to the applicants it is a much detailed much more detailed feedback that we had before for european remembrance so the experts are are quite into details in the evaluation of the project so you can see uh where your project has has difficulties or or a lack of information or this kind of things so if you develop on that or yes if you develop on those this can improve your proposal but uh uh proposals are evaluated every year so by sometimes different experts even if you resubmit it sometimes it should be evaluated by a different expert uh or experts even so I this is what I would suggest really to to read through the the ESR which you call ESI evaluation summary report and uh try to focus on what uh what was said that it's not uh correctly developed or lack of information on these kinds of things thank you uh Marcus I think that you are asking hi thank you yeah thank you very much yeah well thanks for the presentation to the colleagues from the agency so I should first say that I'm really happy that the europe for citizens program is continued in this new surf the form of the new surf program but my my question would be and in particular now to shill also how is the perception that the focus the thematic focus of the program continues to be rather narrow as was in the former europe for citizens program in the sense of the focus is clearly on totalitarian regimes the resistance to those totalitarian regimes would you have like to see maybe a bit of a broadening in the sense of including also maybe more aspects of colonialism other aspects of european history because one of the points of criticism has been that by focusing so strongly only on totalitarianism we are maybe not necessarily forgetting about other aspects but it seems that you measure everything by the standards of totalitarianism in comparison to which you know most other elements of european history appear rather you know unproblematic so in other words would you have like to see also at the at the political level a more ambition to go beyond that focus or do you think it's good to keep that focus so that would be my question the the work program of the european commission is is what it is marcus so to speak you know in a in its in its infinite wisdom the the commission has a has approved this i think you know it's not you know as narrow as this in the sense that there is a part of i would say history also in the in the four thematic focus of the program that that needs to be respected and particularly when we approach history at the european level let's say and at the EU level also which is even narrower than the european level at large so so there's this aspect of respect for for the historical heritage of what we've been doing in part also that reflects the the interest and thematic focus of of some of the stakeholders traditional stakeholders of the the program there's that but i would argue that the the the chair program globally as it is written it's a regulation adopted by the european parliament and and the council at the at the top then the the work program of the commission which is adopted annually and then the way the calls for proposals are redacted at the at the practical and more technical level they still leave ample room for for innovative projects in possibly all fields that are of of european EU relevance and there are many and the proof of that is that even though there is indeed and we have to acknowledge is a kind of focus on on the issues you you have mentioned we have really a track record of of supporting projects in a wide variety of topics there is a legitimate emphasis on on issues that sometimes resonate with the present situation you know hot topics migration liberation routes populism that kind of issue and that's that's fair enough i believe this was very much by the way coming back to the question of marty the the the way in which the the french president pitched his uh his need to to go back to the history of of europe but um it's not not too narrow i would conclude thank you i mean we we should invite um a cognizier to take this talk and talk about colonialism to exiles migrations all these concepts are inside the program but of course you know remember totalitarianism is all kind of an umbrella would you all please yes thank you sure and thank you to all the speakers for the very interesting presentations okay i have a very practical question uh since from europe we usually invite um different um targets and different uh partners from all over europe and beyond the the europe border so my question is uh so far what non-eu countries had already signed the agreement to be eligible for the for the remembrance call zero for the moment it's still uh it's still early days in the uh in the program and these things take time uh association agreement there sort of international negotiations so some of them are have expressed um interest but for the moment it's uh it's zero you know that's the uh a bit the unfortunate issue of having you know multi uh annual financial perspective we start all over again every seven years so to speak and uh and this time particularly the regulations and everything they were ready only at the beginning of this year like in in spring so that's that's time needed to to start all over again the association of um of third countries it won't take you know forever but uh it may take you know some good weeks months because because these are international negotiations in the framework with the some of these countries particularly the um western bachan countries the uh the countries with the perspective of accession you know of a of a solid framework of managing the relations of these countries with the EU so there are association agreements so there's a kind of a whole scenography of of managing this it will come um it will come eventually but it's you know not unlikely that at the end of the day the whole process that takes uh it's a guesstimate and it's not an information a whole good year you know since the adoption of the regulations last year so so perhaps around beginning spring of next year we will have a good wave of of first associated countries to the to the program so if they are not uh eligible right now and before the lane sorry they we cannot include them in in possible projects okay uh i will just quickly uh open the the call you know just to to quote the call i'm but you probably read it uh you can include them uh but they will not be eligible for funding so basically if um if you include them and uh you give them funds and they are not eligible at the time of the signature of the grant agreement they will become ineligible partners which doesn't mean that the whole project is ineligible if it's selective then during the negotiation process uh for the contract signature they will we will request you to replace them or put them as associated partners but they cannot receive uh you funding okay uh directly okay so uh uh just quickly i try to open the call to to quote you this part of the call uh because i don't i don't know it by heart i just know it by feeling so i control this is too much i think i have uh all my kids are at home sorry for the noise because they are all homes good and they take also my wi-fi uh away okay eligible eligible yeah here it is so it says says yes uh so countries associated to the serve program of countries which are in ongoing negotiations for an association agreements and there and where the agreement enters into force before the grant signature okay so the it means it uh so if the negotiations are already ongoing when the projects are submitted they are eligible if the the it enters into force before the signature so it leaves you uh uh i have to say you have to submit until march so we have to have ongoing negotiations uh until march uh basically well thank you i don't know if you have some technical closing uh role and about the the following session online i do have a practical information uh well i think now uh giordi is is the the pause the break so that means that we have time to get work and uh we would like to invite you to for the next half hour to visit the museum uh online or the place but also be aware that we you can engage in one-on-one conversations just by uh clicking through uh to the avatars uh the tola platform and uh and then force explore the videos the different material that uh is part of the conference uh the the important practical information here is that participants can stay connected to zoom while they are uh let's say in the museum virtually huh so no need to no need to disconnect just leave things as they are and then we should be back on zoom all of us uh at 11 30 okay anyway uh thank you very much jills uh peter uh for your participation here and also this is very very good to have a contact also in in the commission and your agency in brussels to have this feedback and going on process of thanks to you and spread the work let's say all the network needs also to mobilize all the you know your connections friends associate to participate in the in the program we need you know a maximum of of good project proposals in the coming harvest so um so voilà thanks again for the invitation merci merci