 around 1978 we decided to leave you know we had it well there was an opening here at Cornell John Miller's had gone somewhere else and I was lucky enough after having resigned once from Cornell to get back into Cornell so we took this opportunity to come back and I remember shortly before we left we outlined this book right over here the the rice economy of Asia but I want to talk particularly about you know Beth Rose and this appendix and Beth Rose I don't know where I found her but she was one of these people that you know a rare person that with great detail to data and to identify where the data came from and so forth and this appendix is hers and I often thought that we she should have been a joint author on the whole thing Beth died of cancer when she was 40 but if this book is is unique in the sense that it has data on production prices and so forth some of it going back to 1900 and and it goes up to 1982 and there's no I mean FAO I nobody else has the documentation in the detail of the data that this book has you know so anyway I think this is important to point out yeah well you know the book itself is sort of reflects the appendix I mean you know as you said you know we should have had the appendix in the in the same thing would have been a lot better yeah because it's easy to lose the appendix yeah that's right if you have the book but you know I don't know I think we started out on this on this effort thinking well you know we've done all these papers but most of them are in the great literature there's you know how we pushed for publication but you and I were kind of lax and you know we'd write these papers and they get out to the distribution channel but they never it never really got so we said okay let's take all these papers put them together at a book you know and we'll have something for posterity well it turns out we said okay we need varieties Asian ice farming systems trends of production variety fertilizer irrigation mechanized I mean the topics were obvious yeah you know and then we worked on all of those topics over the years so we said well just put them together well so that was the outline and you came we worked away on it and we spent a couple of summers actually after you after you came back we went up to some Cornell place on Lake George remember yeah and we were working on this thing and our families were saying one of those guys doing yeah well it turned out that basically had to rewrite everything I mean the you know some basic concepts were there but you know with Beth's Beth's data in the basic concepts it became clear that those first papers were just papers you know and so we had to rewrite it in the book and it was a great effort I think one of your seven years well something like that Rome wasn't built in a day so it did I remember when I got the word that the book was actually out long after I left Erie I left Erie in 1983 and I joined the CGI our secretariat as a science advisor and at that point I was in Liberia on an external review of the water Bob Chandler was the on that review along with Larry Stifle he was on a management review but anyway I got a cable from my boss at the time at the secretariat who said congratulations they've sent a copy of your book so that was what 84 sometimes 85 so yeah right from 78 to 85 it did take a while but I think it's a pretty good piece of work