 Like it. Hi everybody. What's going on? Like a maple bar. We were just talking about tiny houses and dogs and dad jokes or die a pet dad jokes Maybe we should get Veronica to do the show on Fridays and have drinks I can't drink at work. No, but Friday we could you you could just leave Don't don't you like tech companies just quit at two o'clock on Friday? No I left at six on Friday. That's a myth At least it's our startup. Damn it You mean you mean some startups actually make their employees work to build the product so that they're so I Used to man. Oh, it sucked when we first started My first ever vision three because I was working. I was glad I hired therapy there because we were working till like eight or nine P.m. On Friday, it's any good thing. I used to work real late at tech TV back in the zini TV days, too I'm nice. I used to try to work late at Cena and people would be like go home But I was I remember I came into the studio at 10 p.m. With David spark and he was like going on about something I think he was half drunk because he would be came down from the J&B. Oh, yeah And I had to like I got to install this stuff for tomorrow's show So we're gonna he's just wandering out of set talking about like something weird It's like right here. We were all so young then I was so naive I Was making I was making barely above poverty wages and I was burning 60 hours a week I was like, oh, this is cool. I'm People would tell me to go home and I would say I don't have a home to go to I Just said like when I wanted to know when we got better grub in the kitchen and then Mysteriously two months later. We started getting hot cereal Yeah, we got the oatmeal. Yeah, but before then it was just a stupid Lipton Mm-hmm mysteriously. I like that. Yeah We got money now for upgrading. Yeah, Paul Allen bought us. We started getting instant oatmeal in the kitchen Yeah, oh the dot-com boom Oh Man we so many people left for like various startups Excite yes That's our look smart Where Jen was working all those heritage companies Asked G's remember. Oh, yeah. Oh, everybody's going over to Oakland work for ask G's All right, shall we do this show then? I'm ready Today's technology here we go Daily tech news show doesn't take advertisements We are powered by you and therefore answerable only to you to find out more at a daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, June 19th 2017 I'm Tom Merrick Veronica Belmont alongside and we have prepared to shoot at your face all of the tech news of the day I don't know. I said it that way got aggressive Tom a little too aggressive for a Monday We are prepared to present to you the technology news that will help you understand the world around you. How's that? Beautiful. Is that better? It is. All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know about Hey, the European Parliament proposed amended regulation that would require end-to-end encryption and Forbid Backdoors into encryption for any purpose including law enforcement if approved Parliament the proposal would still need to be reviewed by the EU Council So it's far from becoming the law, but the opposite of what we usually hear governments around the world talking about That's pretty awesome. I hope that sets a precedent. Yeah, it probably won't but it's a good start The GSMA cell phone technology trade group released data showing more than five billion people about two-thirds of the world's population Have a mobile phone subscription four years ago. The number was four billion Yeah, and it's like eight billion accounts. So there's five billion unique people, right? And a lot of people have dual sims two accounts. This or that LG announced an upgrade to the G6 phone Monday with 128 gigabytes of storage now available B&O play headphones in the box high-resolution audio and blue and gold options along with the existing black option And the government of Venezuela says 180 of its Twitter accounts have been suspended Accounts can be suspended for abuse of behavior security or spam among other reasons though Twitter has not commented on Venezuela's accounts That well hmm if Venezuela's got problems right now a lot of protests a lot of controversy down there so I Very much waiting to see if Twitter says anything about this I can't imagine they would to spend 180 government accounts with no explanation. That is yeah, that's super weird Yeah, so I'm curious to find out what actually is going on now here are some more top stories deep root analytics is a marketing firm that works with the Republican National Committee in the United States on on marketing to the electorate and Accidentally stored internal documents on a publicly accessible Amazon server Essentially just didn't password protect the file the database Exposing more than 198 million US citizens personal information things like address birthday phone number as well as things like Analysis of the issues that might be the most important or how this person might vote Based on on their collected data files were discovered by up guard risk analyst Chris Vickery on June 12th He informed the RNC about the discovery there is no evidence the files were accessed by anyone else that there was any malicious access It's just embarrassing I'm really curious how he found them. I'll have to dig into that story was yeah Yeah, the only line I read about it in gizmodo was he was doing a regular survey of publicly public facing servers as a risk Analyst that's one of the things he does is just looks around to see like okay What's accidentally showing to the public and he found these I'm sure they're very very grateful Yeah, a team from Georgia Institute of Technology is exploring using 3d printers to create structures that expand when heated and Sometimes called 4d printing it uses tension integrity or tense Egrity to hold floating solid rods together by cable when dunked in 149 degree water the rods unfold the structures have memory meaning they could be collapsed back into the original flat state Yeah, so I mean trying to figure out how to get stuff into space is costly So the idea that you could make lightweight materials that this is like instant Ikea They're certain they're delivered flat and then you just heat them up Then you don't have to put them in water They just did that because that that makes them heat up a little quicker But you could heat them up other ways I'm not sure how you heat them up in space that sounds like it might be energy intensive as well But this this is a pretty cool idea for 4d printing and if you haven't heard 4d printing before that is a common term That's kicked around when something changes after the original print. So the fourth dimension being time There's 4d printed pasta is there what it and so how does it change after you print it? So the machine prints the pasta or it essentially like bends the pasta in a certain way and then when you put it in water It unfolds to the pasta shape. Gotcha. Gotcha. So like corkscrews and Linguine and stuff. It's kind of neat. Yeah, you gotta go watch the videos on this as well because For the the tensegrity is has been around since the 60s It's something Buckminster Fuller talked about and these look very much like Buckminster Fuller type Constructions that they've created here that unfold Long way to go before these little things that they dunk into water can turn into Habitable structures that could be put into space, but pretty cool Qualcomm unveiled a reference design for smart audio devices essentially smart speakers That includes microphone speaker voice recognition. In fact, it won't be there right at launch But shortly after launch they'll have support for Amazon or Google's voice services Qualcomm's DDFA Audio amplifier and audio development kit will help manufacturers build Bluetooth speakers headphones smart speakers other audio products They're using Linux and Android things as their software and including Qualcomm's all-play system for networking speakers together Although there's not a lot of other speakers that use that the idea would be if you have all-play speakers They can all talk to each other even if they're from different manufacturers chips are expected to be available in q3 2017 interesting move for Qualcomm because One of the reasons Qualcomm became huge was they bet on the right horse with smartphones With the snapdragon chips and they're trying to do it again Yeah, they're like here OEMs like take our design like figure out how this is gonna work go out to make voice recognition Technology go make these speakers go make these systems And I think that's only gonna be better for the market and buy all of your chips from us From us in large amounts also agreed to all our patent terms, so we'll sue you like we're doing that Well speaking of smartphones. Did you have more to say? No, no, I was just gonna say that, you know They'll figure that out. They'll figure it out Yeah, a group called the parents against underage smartphones is trying to get an initiative on the ballot in Colorado That would ban the sale of smartphones meant to be used by children under 13 Retailers would be required to ask who a smartphone was intended for the group is led by Denver area Anesthesiologist Tim Farnham who is now seeking 300,000 signatures to get on the November 2018 ballot. I Don't know I get it. I get it. I do I just don't know like smartphones are also good for safety Like there's tons of smartphones out there in the market that are meant for children And they're made so that they can for example just call a set number of numbers Like call mom or dad or babysitter or whoever they need to get in touch with So maybe this is not geared towards those kinds of things But at the same time a lot of kids are like use smartphones to stay in touch with their parents and call them when they need them I Look at this and I feel like okay. There is a there is a real concern about kids You know being bullied on over the internet using apps spending too much time in apps getting addicted to things feeling depressed because of social networks that make everyone else's life look better than yours all Very real things. I don't Personally believe this is the best way to deal with it. It's like saying hey Television is bad for kids. Let's ban the sale of televisions that will be used for children to view them Right, it just it just strikes me never works It's it's wrong on lots of ends first of all the parents should be encouraged to take responsibility and help their children learn how to Use smartphones Yeah, totally and those smartphones that you're talking about are great choices parents have to do that Also Anybody can say when the retailer asks them. Hey, are you buying this for your kid? No Like what are they gonna do are they gonna they're not gonna find kids that have smartphones on them So what is not illegal for the kids to have them? It's illegal for the retailer not to ask the question This is a pointless waste of time and energy is what we're saying. Yeah, pretty much Things focus on getting kids nuts a text and drive make that your initiative. Yeah, yeah There's and there there could be very effective ways to do that. So I'm angry. I know that Tim Farnam He's not going after the driving-age children He's going after the under-13 and maybe there's there's good things that can be done there to to help children understand Hey, hey, these are these are the the realities of getting out into the real world of the internet because I want to find out Why he thinks this is a good idea. Yeah. Yeah, that would be interesting Sources at grocery delivery company Instacart have told several journalists that the company is one year into a five-year deal with Whole Foods So I'm now I was among the people that made the remark. This is the end for Instacart on Friday Instacart's like, yeah, they're gonna have to pay us a lot of money to get out of a five-year deal if they Don't want to be part of it. So Instacart to hang in tough They also told TechCrunch Amazon just declared war on every supermarket and corner store in America To think is an exaggeration. I don't think Amazon will go to war with your corner bodega, but Instacart's making a plea for other grocery chains to partner with them They estimate Whole Foods makes up 10% of their business but they'd certainly like it to make up a less percentage of their business now that Amazon owns it and Sources are also telling Bloomberg Amazon plans to lower prices at Whole Foods once it acquires it. Yeah, I know You know, I have to say I had the same exact initial thought when I heard the news actually the first thought I had when I woke up grabbed my phone looked at Twitter saw that Amazon was buying Whole Foods My first thought was sucks for Instacart. Mm-hmm, which is a weird thing to wake up thinking Yeah, but at the same time especially because you wake up every morning thinking that same thing for less reason. Mm-hmm. I Don't like Instacart. I Don't like Instacart. I don't think it's very good. I don't think the service is very good I don't think the consistency is very good And I think Amazon probably looked at them and was like they're not there yet Like maybe, you know, I bet the a ton of people on Amazon were like Maybe this would be something that we should pick up on the way, you know Like we're already paying 13.7 or 13.3 billion dollars for Whole Foods, you know, why not throw in another I don't know 20 million. I don't know how much Instacart would be at this point, you know, I don't I don't think I don't think Amazon would Bother buying Instacart. I mean they've got Amazon fresh going. Yeah, and it would be a stopgap measure too because ultimately I don't think they want people delivering food at all but it's Yeah, Instacart is They have a lot of work to do I think and maybe it's better in other parts of the country Right, I was gonna say it may it may be worse in your neighborhood than it is in other parts of the country Because they are they are doing well. They are Serving a lot of different parts of the country and and they're growing so they must be doing something, right? and they want to make it clear that Just because Amazon will likely replace them that a they're not going down easy because they've got a five-year contract and B They're ready to help everyone who is going to be in competition with Amazon, which is every other grocery store, right? Yeah, well good luck to them. Yeah, I think the idea of Whole Foods becoming a more affordable place to shop Is an intriguing one. I'm sorry. I'm stoked for this this deal Like I yeah help it be a little like selfishly excited about it because I do shop at Whole Foods and I do use Amazon and That combination of things is only good for me Veronica Belmont Don't know what the other rep you know repercussions yet will be but so far things are coming up roses for Veronica Belmont Part of what Whole Foods was able to do was say hey, they're willing to pay it Let's charge it and make a bunch of money But that has been working less well for them lately in fact they had an activist investor Come in and and that a lot of people are attributing this sale to Amazon as a result of the pursuit by the activist investor to get Policies to change within Whole Foods So this is the right time for Amazon to come in and change that business model And Amazon knows how to run on a thin margin They don't mind that and they don't they don't mind spending money to fix things. No, they don't Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in just about five minutes It's the perfect way to just keep up to date subscribe to Daily Tech headlines at Daily Tech headlines dot com You can get it on the Amazon Echo as a flash briefing or in the anchor app Where you can even do calls in to the station at anchor.fm And that is a look at our top stories All right Google general counsel Kent Walker posted an op-ed on the Financial Times But he also posted it to the Google blog about what the company is doing to combat terrorist content And if you recall many advertisers have pulled their advertising from YouTube Because they are worried about appearing next to extreme content. So I figured we'd spend some time going through the four Things that Walker outlined And and talk about how necessary how effective we think they'll be ready I'm ready number one is technology So they want to distinguish informative reporting from glorification of violence and they've got some machine learning That can help them do that in fact Walker claims that video analysis has already been finding more than 50% of the removed content in the last six months So they're going to basically beef it up apply the most advanced machine learning research to train new content classifiers This is maybe the weakest of the four where they say hey that thing that you know, we're really good at we're gonna do more of that Well, I mean, it's really important to like they like you said to distinguish that informative reporting from the glorification I mean an example of that would be were there a terrorist attack and the BBC was Showing reporting of the aftermath Versus someone who uploads a video and talks about what a wonderful thing it was that this happened look at all these people's suffering Right, that's that's tough for a machine to do I mean, there's definitely ways that it can kind of contextualize it But that's that's something that they're they're trying to get a lot better at so they're gonna double down on that and make it better Okay, fine. We'll believe it when we see it number two YouTube trusted flagger program will be expanded now this Kind of affects that last thing that we were talking about the ability to tell well wait That's actually a legit news story. This is not you bring in humans who can distinguish the nuance between news and propaganda trusted flagger is already a program that includes 63 Organizations and they say that reports from the trusted flagger program are accurate more than 90% of the time Which outperforms a general public flagging program So what they're gonna do here is they're gonna add 50 expert non-governmental organizations that specialize in hate speech self-harm and terrorism give them some optional grants and Expand their work with anti extremist groups in general this one strikes me about as possibly being a little more effective Yeah, this is actually getting people who are trained in recognizing this kind of content And maybe not taking some of the the personal feelings involved with the content into Effect in the same way that maybe a layperson would so like if I see something objectionable to me I might flag it even though it's not necessarily objectionable to the larger population Because I'm taking my own beliefs and opinions and putting it on that content They're hoping that these these people from these expert NGOs are a little more You know looking from a top-down approach and kind of thinking about it from a different way Yeah, that that does not mean what you think it means is essentially what they what these folks are doing, right? Saying you know that that one's okay No, that one act and and the opposite to possibly being able to identify some things that we might not realize are Like this is coded racism or whatever. Yeah. Yeah now What about the edge cases where and this is you know where the rubber meets the road? What about hey, you know what? I have the right to be angry and say offensive things Why should that be taken away? You're gonna ban me for that So number three is they're gonna toughen up on these edge cases inflammatory religious or supremacist content that doesn't clearly violate YouTube policies will instead get an interstitial warning will not allowed to be allowed to be monetized and We'll have no recommendations no user comments or endorsements and Walker wrote We think this strikes the right balance between free expression and access to information without promoting extremely offensive viewpoints So this one to me is directly addressing what's caused the problem with the advertisers where someone doesn't violate the policies but just spews hatred and The advertisers like we don't want our ads running on that and so YouTube saying okay We're not going to delete that content because hey, you know what? It's an open platform But when it's the kind of thing that we know is gonna turn advertisers off. We're gonna turn off monetization This is interesting too and something that I think or hope that other social networks will take into account because I think Twitter Tries to do something like this They essentially instead of just you know banning people's accounts or like removing access from Twitter for certain users or IP addresses They do these like soft bands. Yeah, they turn off your account for like 24 hours as a warning But the way by which they go about doing it is not very good or and their success rate of actually finding this stuff is pretty poor And I think there just needs to be a little more like actual eyeballs on it Or or more of that oversight from people who are maybe not as tied into it as they should be Yeah, and this one to be honest has almost nothing to do with combating terrorism this this one in particular is about Molifying the advertisers because the average YouTube has been rightly saying hey, we we remove content pretty fast But the advertisers are saying yeah But you're not removing this content and YouTube's like that content doesn't violate our policies the advertisers say we don't care We don't want our ads running on it So I think I think this is the one that addresses that number four is Expanding the YouTube creators for change program and I actually feel like this is the one This is the only one that attempts to solve the problem at its root Currently the YouTube creators for change program gives YouTube creators voices against hate and radicalization So they they promote people who combat that they've been working with alphabets jigsaw Jigsaw is used to be party Google, you know, and it got spun out into its own organization But but essentially it is a think-do tank is what they say it's not just a think tank But they also implement things to help prevent say DDoS attacks against journalists help combat The spread of terror messages and one of the things jigsaw has done in many cases is the redirect method So YouTube is gonna work with jigsaw on applying the redirect method more broadly in Europe That's where you target ads to potential recruits with anti-terrorist videos And I put through on previous redirect efforts has been unusually high They didn't give any actual numbers, but they say it's pretty good So that when you see someone who might be susceptible to being recruited into a terrorist organization You show them an ad that explains how they're being duped That's fascinating This was the the point of the part of the article where I was like wow Like if they can figure that out and actually reach out to people on a person-to-person basis like that's pretty incredible Yeah, and and it's the kind of thing that says hey Let's let's actually not just treat the symptoms by you know blocking and patching and this and that Let's let's try to change some minds. It's also a harder thing to do That's not like exactly blocking and preventing people from seeing content That's if they're already forming an idea or an opinion about something That's not gonna stop them from forming or changing that opinion But actually showing content that could potentially have an impact on that perspective is huge. Yeah Some other things that are outside of the those four main points that we just talked about Google is working with Facebook Microsoft and Twitter to establish an international forum Or they can share and develop technology and support smaller companies who are just getting started in dealing with these issues I hope Twitter benefits from that because they We obviously all think Twitter has problems with the way it handles and moderates its content and and some of it You know everyone talks about you know bullying and abuse and that and that's that's rightly discussed But they also just don't do very well on identifying content I constantly in Tweetdeck see this message has been removed because it may contain sensitive material and it doesn't Half the time it's the tech in here. It's the the history and pictures account That's you know showing me a picture of a crowd from the 50s like I just don't understand how it's working It's not right Well, there's a lot of I think this is a great initiative and like I said I hope I hope other social networks and and companies of this magnitude Facebook's the Twitter's etc You know pick up this kind of of of process. Yeah, me too Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit that helps us put together this lineup every day Because we can see what you guys are into submit your stories and vote on them at Daily Tech news show dot reddit dot com Let's check in real quick with mr. Nate Langston over there in the UK to see what's going on on the text message podcast Thanks, Tom Hey, did you know Amazon is rumored to be looking at selling cars in the UK? We didn't but we've discussed it on this week's episode as well as looking at the death of mobile phone roaming charges across Europe Which were axed across the continent this week and what are two Chinese companies trying to do with the UK's? Bicycle rental industry hmm find out by listening to text message episode 103 out now at tech podcast dot UK back to you Thank you Nate go check it out tech podcast dot UK Let's get to our messages of the day first one comes from Rico Who says the week of Amazon? Wow? It has expanded as rapidly as the Amazon forest has probably declined sad Brazilian here About Amazon possibly buying slack it got me connecting some imaginary dots You know Bezos owns a stake in 37 signals base camp. I don't know how to connect those dots But voila one more dot on the table. I'm sure the DTNs listeners slash bosses can trace a pretty line right through it So okay, let's say Amazon does buy slack We don't know that they are but maybe they let's let's say they do and they do what Amazon usually does Which is leave companies like Goodreads and audible operating as they are Mm-hmm Does owning a stake in base camp? Change that does it help them does it you know? No, it doesn't I don't think it does anything Okay, I don't I don't think it matters these dots cannot connect is what you're saying well I mean there's no I Can't really say that something like from a competitive standpoint that base camp and slack are While they are collaborative tools or collaboration tools base camp is not it's not right Really a team messaging platform Could they do something like in a great base camp functionality into slack sure but they could do that anyway They don't need they don't need Amazon buying owning both of them for them to do that And I just think it's small beans. I just don't think it really at the end of the day matters I don't know if Amazon's going to buy slack. I feel like maybe that rumor just got mixed up in the Whole Foods Discussion somehow Confluence of events at the same time I mean, maybe I think it's legit that Amazon probably had some meetings, but it may be that those meetings were just Run-of-the-mill meetings that you have they I tell you what I would a hundred percent believe is Amazon is looking for some acquisitions to beef up their enterprise productivity offering and They would be remiss in not taking a meeting with slack if that's the case Yeah, and I mean I'm sure you talked to this to death on the show the other day when the news broke But you know slack is is you know, probably they they have been talking about staying independent for a very very long time Full disclosure. I'm a slack fund company. So I don't know any of the internal workings But I guess I was supposed to say stuff like that but on the same token like You know, I'm sure there are tons of companies that are speaking to them. You know, yeah, Microsoft Probably wouldn't mind picking them up at some point even with the team stuff just to crush them. I don't know Yeah It was Microsoft did but did meet with them before so this this will probably end up being the same way Rico also wrote in in response to our Listener who was looking for some answers about encryption on Google Drive and said There is one that you might check out called Su Casa Sookas a Dot-com that doesn't answer the question, but it's a third-party thing kind of like box-cryptor And then we got a great email from Thrumwald who explained a lot about what's going on with G suite How data is encrypted at rest with G suite has some links. He says yeah, it doesn't ever state drive specifically However, Google does not run different systems or data centers for their consumer products So I believe this would all apply to consumer drive as well. Having said that I did go digging for anything I did not go digging for anything specific to consumer drive and I was only able to find a Is Google Drive secure article that says when you upload files to Google Drive They are stored in secure data centers The only place I would be concerned about drive files not being encrypted is if you sync them to a mobile device PC or Mac If they're encrypted on your local storage would depend on your local settings in your file system Side note all Chromebooks use SSDs that are always encrypted and their local data is only unencrypted when logged in with the account That stored it so good information from Thrumwald and we'll have his full email in there Thank you, and I forwarded that whole email along to the person who was asking as well Finally Robert from sunny San Diego from his Commodore Vic 20. He claims Sent the following email. Just listen to you and Scott talking about possible changes to the next version We should proceed with caution when predicting when those features will appear I'm in tech manufacturing and can tell you it takes a while to set up and qualify with the customer in this case Apple the test themselves not to mention testing the product. What is he referring to? He's referring to the Wistron executive claiming wireless charging was one of the things being developed for an iPhone Robert says it's possible, but I won't be surprised if we don't see those things until the S version of the next iPhone I would love wireless charging. Yeah, but I Appreciate Robert's insight on this saying like yeah, Wistron's executive could be absolutely right that they are working with it But it doesn't mean it's coming to any of the phones that are coming out this year Also, Robert still using a Commodore Vic 20 to send his email to you Hey, that is that is it for this episode of Daily Tech news show before we're out of here though Veronica You've got another podcast that you just announced today coming from Mozilla. Tell us about it Yes, I can finally talk about my new podcast project that I've been working on for the past Oh, gosh month and a half or so. It's called IRL and The premise is because online life is real life and essentially we're discussing topics that you know our online life Affects a real life now our real life affects our online life and everything is intermeshed and they're very Intrinsically tied and so we talk about data security. We talk about net neutrality We talk about all sorts of topics that I think we've discussed a lot on this show as well We do deep dives into them. We have some great interviews I a private investigator goes after me on the internet and digs up dirt in one of the first episodes Did he did he find the unedited versions of Buzz out loud? Were you curious? No, but he did find some really interesting tidbits So definitely check it out, but you can subscribe now at IRL podcast org and you can get it wherever your podcasts are found Excellent. I'm looking forward to this. I know you've been working out really hard on it for a while Yeah, so I'm I'm excited that it's out there in the public and ready for consumption shortly again It's IRL podcast dot org. Thanks everybody who supports this show. 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Yeah, we've got some we've got some crazy discussions I got to interview some hackers this morning. I didn't know you had a private detective go after you Yeah, he's legit. He was hilarious. He is like Old school like super old school like bi like from does he have a voiceover follow him when he walks into a room and He sounds like he could be doing his own voice over like he's incredible and he's like The first thing he says is like I could tell from two seconds looking at your twitter account that you're a san francisco liberal I could tell for two seconds of looking at her twitter account. She was a san francisco liberal All right That's like so you read my most recent tweet is what you're saying. Yeah, also. I live in san francisco But he did find some other stuff that was a little more interesting. Yeah, okay When you say interesting were you embarrassed by any of it? No, okay. No I'm still intrigued though I have to sneeze Bless you. Thank you. I did simultaneous bless yous over your sneezes Is that supposed to work better? I don't know. I feel like it's more preventative. So Cancels it out immediately We're roger. Oh roger's coming back now There he is but I was called a marxist today for doing the mozilla show Well, how's the marxist? I don't know And you'll dash just like I don't think that means what you think it means. Yeah I mean, I get it mozilla is open source, but that's different than marxism Yeah, yeah In any case, uh show titles. Yes show take americans data generally available grocery wars the amazon edition tom is aggressive EU locks back doors closed EU encryption EU encryption in yeah, I get it. I don't know how you pronounce it either GOP got zero privacy That's oh g8 g0p got zero privacy instant IKEA just had water Grand oops party. Oh, that's the 4d printing instant idea. That's funny. That's cute Um Yeah, they do that for satellites to use a lot of um, there's a lot of people with origami background or really good origami skills Because you have to be able to fold the satellite defense at a rocket um Yeah, we did we did a great interview with a guy out in alamo about that Or system a while back grocery wars starving the trolls He said a whole room dedicated to his origami the war on youtube terrorism Daily tech origami show 4d pasta instant Ikea Water gator repeating I don't get that one Does Ikea delivered space? It's so crazy that Ikea is on amazon now You can buy Ikea stuff on amazon. Yeah So yeah, I done their entire inventory a lack of stuff. I don't know look it up They need to replace one of their crappy do your research Dressers with their while I'm asking because I thought she knew but apparently not. No, I do. It's you. I don't know if it's the entire catalog It's a lot of stuff though That's crazy. I didn't know that Yeah, it just happened like a week or two ago Are they gonna buy Ikea? I don't know Ikea is moving though moving in shaked. They've got their whole their internet of things platform They got the shout-out from tim cook at the wwdc Regarding the ar kit And then cook mentioned them again in his interview And now they're available on amazon I know it's good because they didn't have their delivery options were terrible. Yeah, Ikea. Yeah horrid I did their delivery thing one time. It was It was shaky I kind of I promise myself. I would get real furniture Instead of semi-disposable swedish furniture Yeah, the billy bookcase is solid I got two some of the it's it's weird. They they have a few items. I think are outstanding, but yeah overall I think it's just kind of Just I would say like I mean it is what I mean. They're good at some things but not good at others Then I mean like they have a few high quality items that I would Stop it was a callback. I'll call you back call your mom back You know my mom's name. What do you what would you actually? I was very polite and called your mom back after I spent a lovely evening with her. I doubt that You know, what's my mom's name? I told you twice before No, I love how you think you know exactly the number of times you told me what your mother's name is. You're so full of it You never told me that Why would you tell me that? What's my mother's name? I don't I it was never I do. I know Barbara's name Barbara there What's your mom's name Roger Francis No, I didn't I've never known that you've never told me that you told me that I forgot. Yeah, I'll I'll come to it I know you've told me What's my mom's name? You neither one of you know my mom's name because I don't think I've ever told you I I forgot your sister's name. You told me your sister's name a bunch of guys and it went through Yeah, so but this is the thing. I'm really bad at names. I can remember places. I can remember times I can't remember names Don't don't smirk at me Ron again. Fine. Just my face next next time next time. I will record the event I will record the event Well, this time was recorded All right, what a fantasy talking about What are you even talking about? Telling you something. No, it doesn't have to be my mom though. You can be anything else Okay, just anything I'm required to memorize all things Roger ever tells me Yes, never forget it No, so you can't be indignant and say you never told me that you're full of crap Okay, well this time. What's my mom's name though? You still you guys still don't know No, I told you I don't know but I said I you told me your sister's name, but I never skills cat guesses My mom's name is Dorothy. It's not but that's that's close. You got one. Deborah No Dama Dorothy What? Like Morrissey you replaced the D with an M No, that is that's not correct Is it um, Angela? No DeAngela No Definitely cold You're colder I think more of the Where's that? Dorthedra Wow, no freezing So it's not Deborah. You ready to try Deborah? No, I have a cousin Deborah Is it Donna? No Is it um Darlene chat room has not guessed it yet either. Is it begin with D? Uh, sure. Yeah, I'll give you that it begins with D. Okay. So that means it must be Dana Donna Debbie Deborah You just got did you find a website that has all no, I'm just saying all the D names um Diane Bingo Oh, wow But two ends Oh interesting. Yeah So where do you go with our title? Oh, uh, yeah While you guys are arguing I picked instant Ikea to just add one. Okay That works So hot. What's Roger's mom's name? Francis Yay Your mom's Roger. There we go. See. What's my name? Yahweh See, he knows it He knows it I miss you Veronica. We don't hang out anymore. So it's the only way to Connect is to give you a good tease. That's good. I'll take it Uh I'll take it and I'll like it an iced teas So wait a minute. So if amazon gets Ikea, could you possibly don't have it's not very much stuff I think it's a roger's taking a flight of fancy here Like could they possibly I mean they could literally outfit your house. They could turn key your home or like say you you get a new Condo, whatever you need furniture, but you also need groceries. They could just like All the how all the cleaning products everything you need. It just shows up. Yeah They uh, they need to buy red fin next Yeah, then they could just literally run your life. Yeah You know that part in the um fight club movie where Edward Norton's character is like going through his apartment and everything has like little price tags and the names Suddenly appear. That's that's what's gonna happen. You just look through it's like got that on amazon that on amazon everything through amazon One nation under amazon In Bezos we trust Man, I remember I remember All the rants about amazon back in the 90s About how they were like undercutting local bookstores and yeah the late 90s. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was people were That was before they expanded into selling anything but books I remember a lot of people were like saying well, you got to just deal with the change. It's happening and I'm boiling I gotta get out of this room Sorry All right. Thank you Veronica. See you guys later. I roll podcast at work subscribe today. Bye subscribe subscribe subscribe subscribe subscribe. Bye. Bye Do subscribe. I think it's gonna be yeah, that'll be awesome Earl as I will call it You know, that's what people are gonna call it in a hundred two hundred years people Like people won't say FBI. They'll say Phoebe the same way we say scuba or laser or radar Well, I'm sorry. I'm laughing at something bio cow said that's a Illusion to last night's Twin Peaks episode and bio cow the answer is I wish she really I really wish she would do that and act Like Diane from Twin Peaks So maybe you might know this since you're Like are you still up on the writing writers guide and like style guide and all that stuff or um somewhat. Yeah So I noticed in like in the british press They tend to For example things like nasa those, you know, typically in the u.s We'll so we'll spell everything in cast because it's a acronym it's an acronym even if you pronounce it out you spell it out with caps Yeah, but in britain you don't you just do cap. It's like a proper name I don't know if that's a british thing or if it's just a style thing that varies that is more popular in britain because There were there were places and I know this from sea net there were places that would do that with sea net You know we we had sea net would say the proper way to Spell sea net is all caps because it stands for computer network But other places would be like that's not really an acronym and we're not going to spell it all out um So yeah, it's uh It's it's a style variation. It may be a style variation. That's more popular in in britain Because it'll do with acronyms, but they won't do with initials fbi still Stays with fbi. Well, yeah, because you don't you don't say fibby Um What's a but nasa is an acronym Yeah, but they spell it with they spell like a proper name like only the first letters. So they do it with acronyms They do it with initialisms if if they're pronounced But no an acronym is a word that's In other words, they do it if the convention is to say Nasa then they then they would spell it that way interesting Yep It's uh, it again, it depends on what's what the style guide is when I say british. I just mean british, uh, You see it in british press more often is what you're saying. Yeah, I've never seen we're not saying that it's the law in england Or scottland or wales or northern ireland or the isle of man to the tower with you or the turks and cacos Uh, well, you know what we're done. Thanks everybody for hanging out. We will talk to you tomorrow