 I was going to be confronted with what he's going to be confronted with, and that boss man would say that I can't take you on account of the South. I think the first thing I do is try to make the South of no value, either to him or to me, that I'm of no concern because it's hopeless. I believe that's what is happening. We've found that Burke Marshall was talking to him, and they're advising with him, until we don't know whether he's comforting them or whether he's advising them other way. Joe Rao and Martin Luther King and folks that normally are run with that crowd are leading him. I'm for his trying his best to put an end to it, but he hadn't had much luck with him. Now, if they get up there, I think it's going to be pretty difficult for a fellow like Donald Russell Harris, and he had lunch with me yesterday. I didn't get to talk to him, but he was here. And you or anybody else from that part of the country with a substantial negative population, like East Texas or like Louisiana and Arkansas, I think it's going to be pretty hard for them to sit by and let their sister states be thrown out when they were duly elected and the real proper delegation. On the other hand, I don't see how a fellow like Dick Hughes and Governor Lawrence and Dick Bailey, I don't see how they can possibly go back to their states and say they're proceeding the Alabama group and the Mississippi group when they won't say they support their nominees and that's in the call and that's in the rules and that's the loyalty that they worked on for many years. So it looks like you just pretty well split the party, well much worse than go out and rock, fellow even, and it's like the forces would like to do that. I have no doubt that they claim that they got Texas all-millionaire messing around up in Harlem. I don't know who it is unless my hunt got some money, but who was after it now and they've got all the communists in. So they're both sides laying on these rides and they're hiring them and they've got walkie-talkies and they've got these helmets and they're all dressed up. You just think it's a party they got. Somebody's financing a bay and they go in a different town every night. It's Brooklyn one night and it's Harlem the next night and it'll be another section of New York tonight and they're kind of getting it on all over the world. I was talking to Prime Minister Malaysia and he's just having the hell of a time with his people riding. He's going to have to cancel his trip and go back home and there's a great deal of frustration and uncertainty. So that's what's going to happen between the conservatives, the other south, and the others of the east. Being from the south, I don't think, I think it probably just makes it worse. I don't think you can do any more about it than you can do about it. I have handled the Mississippi thing and the Georgia thing and cooperation with both governors and talking to them before they did anything and doing no troops and just trying to help them. I couldn't have handled it better and I haven't made any mistakes as far as I'm concerned that weren't made before I came in here and they can't take it and when it gets too hot in the kitchen they're just nothing to do about it so preservation is very slow in nature. And now then the question comes. The governor in New Hampshire says that in order to carry the north he's got to be on the ticket and the UAW worker in Pittsburgh says he's got 100,000 signatures, Pennsylvania. He went out to Illinois last night and I got a memorandum here from one of my friends that attended the meeting. I haven't read it but he just gave it to me over in the Mississippi man's meeting at 300 at the reception in Chicago. He spoke and showed fans on the library. The most present reception included 50 award commitment from Cook County and thus represented a substantial part of the Illinois delegation at the convention. One of those present reports that it was largely a political crowd and the meeting had political overtone. We are seeking to determine the extent to which the crowd included civic leaders of the type that one would expect to be invited to the library. He was scheduled to be at a meeting in Southside Democratic headquarters at 6 o'clock. Crowd of 2,000 had been turned out by the organization but he did not show up. An extremely reliable and perceptive observer reports, quote, the consensus among the Cook County organization is the daily favors Attorney General for the vice president but might not press the matter openly against the president's wishes. Their personal relationship is such that one should assume that anything daily knows, Kennedy knows. Well, in the last two weeks, Sriver indicated to Marshall Corsac a key award commitment and to Danny Roskinkowski, the leading congressman, that he is himself under consideration. He's optimistic about his chances. Now, I have about come to the conclusion that it is just as positive as we're sitting here that he is going to force a roll call on his name for this place or the other place. I think probably the vice president said at the moment, he will have some people in every delegation that have been friendly or somewhere other and he'll be in touch with them and they're going to have an emotional thing with this family and Miss Kennedy and all of them. Then he's going to really make the pitch. Now, most of my advisors here think I ought to call him in now a month ahead of time so I can get word to all the leaders and tell them how I feel and if they don't want me why. So I think just take him because he will have the nomination if I don't have it. And so I had about concluded that I would give daily until tomorrow. He told me, told me a couple of Thursdays Friday. I'd give them maybe until Friday and if it didn't, they might ask this fella to come inside. I'd expect him to be out of town so I won't get seen on Monday. But say to him that I have given a lot of thought to this and in view of the polls and the problems in the Midwest and the problems in the border states, not the South particularly. Well, because he knows that and I don't want him to, I don't want him to use that as an issue on me that I'm just signing up for Mississippi against him. But in view of the border states, in view of the Midwest, it just seems to me like that I'll tell him that I'm not going to recommend to the delegation to take him. He won't argue about it and they say he's very much against Humphrey. He told Clark Clifford that he would consider that a great insult to his brother's memory, Humphrey ran against him and all that kind of stuff. So I would tell him that and my guess is some of them think that he might decide not to do anything about it but most of them think that he is determined that he wants this job and he will do anything in the world he can to get it and it's by causing the fight. He thinks that he can probably make me throw the election and he wouldn't like to see me a defeated man like Stevens. And that's one reason he's not unhappy about what's happening in the South. Now, I'm not into position. I don't have anybody that can go in and get Lawrence and get Daly and get Wagner and all the committees owned by them. I have Jack Belinnie, none of who nobody knows, Bill Moir here and Walter. That's my team here, the rest of my lead people. And Ken hadn't been in that state at all. I don't know where the hell he is or what he's doing. He didn't discuss any of these things. I gave him an assignment but he just didn't know what to buy. Didn't come back. And when this fella looks at me, he looks at me like he's going to look a hole from here like I'm a spy or something. Bobby, he was at lunch today. I had a cabinet at lunch with 300 businessmen, all the presidents, the big companies. And I had a wonderful meeting. Most of them said they were going to support me. They were Republicans. I think they will. I had a wonderful meeting and they just applauded to live in hell out of us. But he didn't even come in after lunch to hear my report or my speech. I read the cabinet man was there. So that's about the way it is. Now my present intention, although I don't see it, I think if we just go down and start fighting, maybe the prestige of the office will carry us through. But I think it'll be like Bailey says. Bailey says, please don't do it. Wait till you get up there. Let some committee, executive committee come in and tell him. And don't you take the blame and knock him off because you can't take the South on, and the Kennedys on, and the North on too. And get them all mad at you. And let us do it up there. Clark Clifford and others say here that if I do that, it'll be too late. That they'll be in charge up there. That they're running every day. And I got to tell him now, and if I can't stop him from the cabinet, he'll probably resign. And then we'll just have to see which one can win. I have the office, but I don't have much to fight with. I've got 20 minutes here with you now, but I've got to go to the reception. The prime minister is telling him goodbye. He's leaving. I've got to go to Valley Forge tonight. It's 7.30. Speak there. And I didn't sleep two hours last night. And I had New Zealand on Monday. And I had all the foreign ministers in Latin America on Tuesday. And I had my ladies on Wednesday and Thursday. And that goes on every day in this job. We had to send a wire today to Brazil to keep it from turning upside down. We got a problem with Cyprus tomorrow. And I really don't have a moment to even try to pick the keynoter. I think we're going to pick the pastore. I've got McCormick and Albert in there, but we lost the poverty bill by one vote. And we wanted by one vote. And then we had a tie vote. And I'm preying Mansfield. Mansfield's not much leader. Not very interested in it. And he's going to put me on spot next week. He's going to pass a beef import amendment that just ruins my whole trade program. We've got greater exports and farm goods now. And we've ever had that 30% this year. And a good deal of it's meat. We're exporting right now. We're exporting $4 million this month. But he's going to say not import over the five-year average. And we've got it down on the five-year average. But I have to veto it. And then they pass it over my veto. And then that makes every state, Texas, New Mexico, or Colorado, 15 meat states make them all mad and gets them nowhere right where he is. But that's the problem I've got. And I came to Albert's against it. But Albert said it Mansfield passed it. He'll have to pass it. Because he's from a meat district, too. They're like Montana, Oklahoma. So those are your problems. And I don't know. It might be. This is an easy way to maybe get out and save your face, but just getting beat. Oh, you ain't going to do that. I don't think so. But it's a real difficult one because I don't know what you can do at this convention. And Goldwater's coming in tomorrow. He wants to see me on this problem. And I agreed to see him. And nothing good can come out of that. He wants to use this form. He wants to encourage the backlash. That's where his future is. It's not in peace and harmony. And so I guess I just have to listen to him. I really don't know what I can say to him. Well, all you can say to him is that you don't want to make an issue of it. And you think the matter ought to be settled. Well, I know that. We ought to be quieted down. That's all you can say. I can't say that I won't be for the law. And he's got to be against it because he voted against it. And I voted for it. I'm going to do nothing to incite anybody, inflame anybody. I sent FBI right in the hall. I'm just like I did in my city. But I did so much talking to the governors and the mayors, both. Incidentally, Ferris was very appreciative of his communications and the treatment he got and the cooperation that he had with you in St. Augustine and so on. Well, we've tried to put ourselves in the governor's place in every instance. They don't make these situations. And they're not responsible. We're not. But I can't tell Martin Luther King what to do any more than you can. And you can't tell what he's doing. That's right. So that's it. It's just that black and white and there are no grays here. Well, of course. Again, I think you're great appeal is and you're a great strength in this country now is you're doing what you think is right. And of course, I feel very strongly about it as you know. And I think you have to take Bobby home in a goddamn fight. Let's take him home. And that's one thing. It's getting out of this goddamn capital to come up and help you out. If it comes to that, I don't know what I can do, but I can carry water or water. But if he wants to book a fight, well, I'll let him have one. But I think you can whip him in a standstill. It won't even be close. I don't think he'll make the fight. And I damn sure agree that that you ought not to get him running in the room between now and August. I agree with Clark Clifford and him. I just think you ought to tell him now if he wants to do something about it. Well, sure, he's got 30 days, but damn, you've got 30 days too. And I just go and tell him I'd get it over with because I'd have a rather fight with him. I told you I'd rather fight with him between now and August than I would the next four years. And I don't think it's any question why he would try to, he would be delighted to see you defeated. There's no question about that in my mind. He's an arrogant, he's a negatistical selfish person that feels like he's almost annoyed and he's so power mad that it's unbelievable. And that's very reasonable. You can't take him on this ticket because most people know it. Now, I've talked to, this morning, I talked to people like Tex Thornton who was at your luncheon today. I don't guess he saw you today. California. But, of course, he's a strong McNamara man which he's beside the point. But he said, hell, fire protects the McNamara. He's not Democrat, he knows he's been a Republican. He said, I'll personally it's only this morning at eight o'clock.