 Okay, so here we are at this cool place called the Nomadic Gardens and we've got some Bedjo bars arguably one of the best vegan chocolates available so we're gonna go hand them out to people and see what they think about veganism generally. Let's go! I can't kill, I can't kill. I couldn't. No, no, no. That's not for me. Have you ever been to a slaughterhouse? No, never. Have you ever seen an animal be slaughtered? Never. Maybe if I see that I can change my mind but until it's in the plate it's just good. I understand because you only see food, you don't see the animal. Yeah, because I don't see the process. So someone else kills them for you? Yeah, somebody else kills them. So when you drink dairy do you guys think of the cow at all or do you just look at the like if you're gonna eat a chocolate bar and it contained dairy would you ever think of the cow or you just think of the chocolate bar? Chocolate bar? Before I was a vegan I didn't even realize that cows had to be pregnant to produce milk. I didn't realize that, I didn't know. I just thought there's a species of cow that produced milk by themselves when they ate grass. They have to be pregnant to have and have a calf to produce milk. So they get the impregnant every what? Every year? Every year. Every year and then they, you know, so they take milk from a lactating mother and they separate the calves from them so that we can drink the milk ourselves. Wow, that's horrible. Never thought about that way. Yeah. It's not really good. So it's like stolen baby's milk. Can you imagine a bit of human being pumped full of hormones and crap and it's just been force fed it pretty much. It's just you're gonna end up with a lot of ill animals that we're all eating and it's disgusting. They don't advertise it, they don't actually show us the process do they? No they don't, we just get the products. Because they want to sell it to us don't they? I wouldn't buy it if I knew this earlier. Let's hope they do the vegan challenge. Let's keep going. Do you think if every time someone bought a piece of cheese or a piece of milk they seen a cow be slashed across the throat they would stop? Absolutely they would stop. They would be a public outrage. That's why it is like in some forms like slavery or whatever you want to call it. Because yeah, because it's just like it's taking their bodily on. It's treating life with so much disrespect. It's like being reaped. Cows are literally being reaped. Honestly I really don't like because I like animals so I don't like when I see violence against them. It's hard because when we pay for animal products we are contributing to something that we're morally against. Yeah I know but if you think like that we shouldn't even like go in a car because you eat like small animals you're gonna kill them. You can't be perfect but does that mean we should contribute to animals being stabbed in the neck for a salami? That's easy to avoid. Would you agree? Some things we can't avoid, some things we can't? Yeah but because there are some vegan people who think that everything can be avoided but it's not true. Everything has some type of harm associated with it but a vegan tries to avoid it as much as they practically can. I respect that. In the UK this is what happens to animals, land of hope and glory. Okay, you can see the animals you're eating here because you live here. Watch that and tell me if you still feel like so strongly about the animal products that. Why not? Maybe we can try. It doesn't cost anything. You've got a good heart, you're against animal cruelty and yeah yeah yeah. Thanks brother. Appreciate it man, eh? Thank you. It's like from where I was to where I am now and it's only been a year since I decided to go transition. And so from where I was to where I am now it's awesome. I'm vegan yet? You're a vegan. Well 99% I'm technically, technically I'm vegetarian, vegetarian, 99% vegan. I'm pretty much there. The way I understand veganism is like it's like anti-racism, you know, like you're either against it or you're not. So veganism is like your anti-animal exploitation, you're either against it or you're not. When you look at your diet you could go okay it's 90% plant-based so I'm 99% plant-based but when you talk about veganism it's like it's a philosophy, it's a principle. So you can't be 90% of it, you know, like yeah yeah because that would be like I'm 90% against domestic violence and the other 10% of the time, you know, yeah. What about the motivation? Have you seen animals be butchered? Yes, only on the internet, only never actually directly with my fiscals and I've got to that point in life I don't need to see it because I know it's horrific, sometimes it is good to remind yourself what's happening though to really keep on that straight path and the vegan path. Vegan challenge, 22 days, can you do it? Yes, 100% absolutely, absolutely wicked. Send me an email once you've done it and then after the vegan challenge you're like wow that was pretty easy, I could be 100% you know adhering to my... Okay I'll do that, 100% I'm gonna drop you your gain email and it will literally say 100%. 100% 100% 99% 100% What was it for you that made the connection to go vegan? It's a cruelty free reason, yeah it's the main reason, if it's healthy it's just a cherry on top of the cake I think, right? Have you ever heard of a vegan? Here we go, nah I don't think I'm gonna pop this. No you can have that, you can have that anyway because this is my last one. I don't know if I'm gonna pop this interview. Wait what's your do you have a negative feelings about veganism? I just don't really have anything about garbage. On your Sunday what do you usually do on a Sunday? Alright well I was just handing out that show and like I was just talking about the dairy industry with people. Yeah it's fine, I like oat milk, I like oat milk, I'm on board with that, I don't like the idea of the tits getting sucked off by these machines and shit. Have you ever heard this quote, you're not a baby cow bro? What do you need breast milk from a cow? You're not a baby cow bro. I am certainly not a baby cow bro. Have you ever heard that? What if a cow was a dog? What if a cow was a dog? We wouldn't drink like gorilla milk or elephant milk or rat milk. Yeah no breast milk because I was just talking to him about why he still breast feeds as a full grown adult. When did you stop breastfeeding? I can't remember, it's 62 years ago probably. You're still drinking from a cow aren't you? So you technically haven't? Well that's a good point actually yeah yeah. You're a whiz mate, you're a whiz. I'm a veteran. I'm gonna go to the shop and get some soy here, I'm a veteran. Like the fucking documentary coming out. About veganism? Yeah. Dominion? Yeah that's the one man. Have you seen it? Yeah I got to the chicken part and I couldn't fucking handle this. Dominion's all Australia shit. I've seen a few, yeah I've seen a few, it was grim, it was grim. Dominion if you can sit down and watch that? No you can't sit down and watch that. If it sounds like what it sounds like I don't think I can watch that. You can't sit down and watch that. These industries only exist because of you know us basically because we put them into business. I think our generation is starting to realise that. How old are you guys? 24, I'm 23. How old am I? 52, veganism. Go vegan, look at me. That was a fucking legend you say. He's like I don't want to be filmed mate. Next minute I get in a hilarious conversation about soy milk. Where did that come from?