 Chachkis, we're all about fun. Well, folks, today we're going to have a very good show. I'm trying to work on it on sort of the local news 10 second tag line promos for DTNS. What do you mean, like news you can use? Yeah, listen for 30 minutes. Stay far ahead of the competition. Got it, got it. Doppler radar, you could throw that in. We don't have it at all. That's just a lie. Well, most of those new stations don't have it either. They actually just lease the information. They at least do weather reports, though. We don't do weather reports, Roger. We could. We used a psychic table and you pulled up a Ouija board. Ouija board DTNS. Justin's busy reading Facebook, I could tell. No, I'm busy trying to dog pile on Willie Dills because he said he doesn't want to be called an influencer. So Terpster started getting into his kitchen about it. And I want to dog pile while it while it's hot. Should I just out of nowhere tweet that I'm so influenced by Willie Dills? Would that help? Yes, you should. I feel better about the world because I'm influenced by Willie Dills, Gregory. Yeah, man, I still need to get back to him and get on his stream. Do some Hearthstone. Oh, yeah, man. Well, you want to know what you should come on. We're doing a new thing Monday night stone. We're we're after we do 1900 wrestling. We're going to do a little Hearthstone stream where we just have people we will commentate in battle. It's the Hearth and Oats of 1900 wrestling. It's basically well, Hearth and Oats was us playing and relationship advice. This this is two other people playing while me and Willie commentate. Tell them what they're doing wrong. But we're casting you're casting other people. I love that. We're going to have like wacky kind of a game. So you should I really do want a what's it called? I want a celebrity element. So if you're down for it, then. Well, yeah, until you get that, I'm down for it. You sassy. I'm not an influencer. Also, let me see if this is got two minutes, folks. Two minute warning. Roger, I'd like you to start wearing a referee's shirt. Oh, so pull out my old footlocker's uniform. Yeah. And then throw a yellow flag every once in a while. I remember someone once come in and say, how come all those guys on the field are dressed like they work at Foot Locker? You know, I saw I don't remember where I saw this the other day, but somebody somebody's daughter came over. He was it came over with a three and a half inch disc and said, oh, look, you 3D printed out the save icon. Yeah, I that was like Twitter. I don't know. I don't like the true story or not, but it's funny. I I I I'm half inclined to think it's a little embellished, a little embellishment of what actually happened. Yeah, the daughter may have known that it was a disc. It just kind of did a snarky remark. Yeah, all right. Why don't you 3D print yourself? So let's let's start just to just walk. Yeah, it's like the BuzzFeed series where it's like kids look at a phone and don't know what it is. Yeah. Kids react to a floppy disc. Well, these children know what Michael Dukakis bobblehead is. A daisy's reaction will send you tumbling with laughter. Well, you know, what's interesting is we have like one of those toy telephones for Ellie, and it's like the old style like corded with, you know, the little face and all that. She knows how like she. You guys ready? One second. My my door just rang. Oh, fine. Tell your story, Roger. All right. She knows how to use it. She can she picks up as she talks into it like you would with the cord. Why? Why did why do people in the 80s have to stand by the stand of the kitchen next to a corded thing to talk to other people? It's all they did. Really? One 30. They ring her doorbell. One 30. They know your buttons, Merritt. They know which one's depressed. It's not a button. It's a live show. Sorry, guys. It was FedEx, of course, the wrong door. Oh, the wrong door, even good. Nobody had anything for me. Jerks. They interrupt you and don't give you anything. He was he was apologetic. All right. Shall we begin then? Yes. Daily Tech News Show is powered by you to find out more at the Daily Tech News Show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, October 19, 2017 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline out at the beach where it's very foggy today. I'm Sarah Lane. And from Oakland, California, it's your old pal, Justin Robert Young. Joining us is our producer, Roger Chang, who is ready for action. Right, Roger? I am ready for the action. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Samsung announced Linux on Galaxy, an app that lets users run a distribution of Linux on the Samsung Galaxy phone when using Samsung's Dex dock. That's one you can plug in a mouse and keyboard to. Linux on Galaxy will use the Android kernel. So it's not the full Linux experience, but it essentially will act like it. It helps maintain performance to do that. Interested users can sign up for alerts at seap.samsung.com slash linux-on-galaxy. Mozilla, Microsoft, Google, Samsung and the W3C have all agreed to unify their documentation sites under Mozilla's MDN portal, which is previously the Mozilla Developer Network MDN. It's just probably a nicer way to say it. The consolidation will bring together information about HTML, but also CSS, JavaScript and web APIs. Yeah, whole Microsoft Edge APIs already over there. Mm, Facebook will begin testing its system to let users pay for subscriptions to new sources on Android. Recode reports that the test is not rolling out on iOS because Facebook wants all the proceeds to go to publishers, while Greedy Ol' Mr. Apple takes 30% of all in-app subscription. They do it for everybody, okay? No exceptions, Facebook. Everybody pays. Why does Apple have to be a mister? Greedy misses. Greedy Ol' Lady Apple. Oh, cause she's- How could you say that about us? All right, now here are some more top stories. Ride, Hailing Company Lyft raised a billion dollars on evaluation of $11 billion. Now you may say, Tom, you don't usually go for somebody raised some money stories. The round was led by Alphabet, particularly Alphabet's growth-focused investment fund, Capital G, get it, Alphabet, Capital G. Alphabet's GV fund was an early Uberbacker, but while Alphabet's Waymo, a self-driving company and Uber are battling it out in court over trade secrets, Alphabet's affections seem to have shifted to Lyft. Lyft gets some money and a partnership with Waymo, back in May, the company's announced an alliance on an open platform for autonomous vehicle technology. So they're Uber, Uber, they're into Lyft. Well, but GV is still a, I mean, it was an early investor. Yeah, they still have the investment. So it's sort of like, well, let's see who wins here. We've got- Yeah, GV is not renouncing, they're not renouncing their stake in Uber, right? They are going to continue to, I think, put money into this vertical in general, but also I think the Waymo thing is probably the biggest element as both of the companies, both Uber and Lyft, say that autonomous cars are going to be the future of their business, so. And $11 billion valuation for Lyft, that's significant, given that for a while, everybody just sort of dismissed Lyft as an also ran, but Uber has had just enough trouble to make Lyft much more valuable. You know, I've been surprised by how Lyft has caught on and a lot of that started with Uber backlashes and people saying, well, you know, I'm going to try this Lyft thing. And I know a lot of folks who are like, it's perfectly the same experience and sometimes cheaper or better and have stuck with it. So. Yeah, goes to show. It takes a lot of mistakes to road your market share. Exactly. On September 28th, so this is only six days after the launch of the Apple Watch Series 3 in China, China Unicom stopped taking new LTE subscriptions. Now the feature is listed as coming soon. I think it's coming later this year. And the reversal is generally assumed to have something to do with China's strict regulations on SIM cards and the fact that if there's an E-SIM card within the watch, people might not be able to be tracked effectively. Now you might say, well, that sounds like a lot of government surveillance, but it's nothing compared to a report coming out of Buzzfeed this week that the local government in a far Western region of China cash garb is checking for banned apps like Facebook and Twitter at checkpoints on civilians without warning. The local government says that the security measures are necessary because of extremist threats. There have been some extremist activity in the area over the years. China's foreign ministry says it has no knowledge of the surveillance measures and life is great there. Yeah, so we've got two different examples of government regulation interfering. One is, wait a minute, what's an E-SIM? We know how to register a real name to a SIM card, but how do you do that with an E-SIM? Hold up China Unicom. We need to figure this out. That one is pretty easy to understand. You may not agree. You may agree or disagree with the policy, but it's easy to understand how that could happen. The other one though, it's pretty crazy to stop at a checkpoint and have someone with a gun say, I need to check your Facebook account and see what you've been posting because I wanna see if you are sympathetic to extremist violence. And it's a very thorough report that Buzzfeed put together. And many of the folks that the reporter talked to spoke under conditions of anonymity because they were worried, but did say, there were phone calls that I had that somebody checked up on me later about. And it's like, how would they have known that I would have had these phone conversations unless there was some listening in? And so, yeah. This is certainly one of those kind of stories that remind you and not to say that there is anything inherently super bad, but these are very different countries, the United States and China. And while security and how it erodes privacy is certainly a common thread, I would be very interested to see what the story would be like if, you know, Alabama was checking your Facebook at the border when you- No, no, not at the border. This is, I mean, at the border, we get upset if the US wants to ask immigrants or visitors what their account names are. They're not even looking into the account itself yet. Whereas here, this is citizens inside the border- Yeah, this is like a DUI checkpoint that, you know, wants to set up wherever. US Senator John McCain is the first to rubble again to sign on to the Honest Ads Act, a bill being sponsored by Senators Amy Koblocker and Mark Warner requiring transparency in political advertisements online. The bill aims to create a federal disclosure requirement similar to those applied to television and radio for any website, web application, search engine, social network or ad network that has 50 million or more unique visitors in a majority of months in a given year. Everybody write that down on their cocktail napkin. Moving on. Any campaign that spends more than $500 would have to make data about the ads available for public viewing. Lobbyists for Facebook and Google have sought early input into the draft bill, and Facebook, Google and Twitter executives will testify in two hearings before the House and Senate Intelligence Committee on November 1st. Ah, the great American tradition of Senate interviews, Senate interviews, you know, to nothing like that. A public spectacle. A public spectacle to illuminate a nation about an important situation. Tom, this is probably the most regulation that a tech company or group of tech companies that the tech industry has seen since Microsoft, right? Yeah, I mean, this is, and I think this is entirely different, this is the coronation of internet media as equivalent to TV and radio. And there's lots of different reasons why we got to this point. And you could say, well, but if it wasn't for the unusual election and this and that, but step back away and say, look, it was gonna happen somehow, right? We don't always know the reason something's gonna happen, but we knew at some point, internet media would need to be addressed as effective as regular media. And that's what this is. They're saying, look, TV and radio political advertisements have certain requirements and certain restrictions, and internet is very effective as we have seen. So you have to have those same restrictions as well. And it's kind of a sad thing for me because they're saying, look, you're really only important if you have 50 million or more unique visitors, which is, I mean, I guess it's good and bad. It does- That's more of a, that's a paper trail thing, right? Well, it's basically saying, we're not gonna try to impede on smaller enterprises. We're gonna let them, we're gonna let them keep, you know, the Wild West spirit of the open internet. But once you get 50 million, now you gotta start filing the paper. Well, I think it is just as much that you don't want to make every smaller new social media app, a, you know, outside of federal compliance, you know, the second that they do anything, right? I think that's, and it's probably better for what, you know, the spirit of this bill is, is to keep track of big spends, right? Not necessarily anybody who wants to buy any ad to affect their local mayoral race. Although this, you know, I know a lot of people talk about the 2016 election as like, well, I don't want that to happen again, but it's like, I mean, the folks who are lobbying for more transparency and political advertisements have a vested interest in wanting to win certain things and for language to be forced to be a certain way as well. So it's sort of for the good of the Americans, but it's more like Facebook, if Facebook can influence my next election, I wanna be, I wanna be part of this. Well, and yeah, and it was the 2008 election where people said, wait a minute, the internet affected this. And then it was the 1960 election where people said TV affected this. So there's always some recent election that somebody's gonna point to and say, hold on, this wasn't normal because we always have new systems in place. Samsung announced the 360 round camera for recording 3D content for virtual reality. This is not a home use camera, but if you remember us talking about Google's big camera or the red virtual camera, Nokia's big camera, those were tens of thousands. Well, this one is just one 10 of thousands, $10,500. It uses 17 lenses, eight of those are paired horizontally for stereoscopic view, and then there's one vertical. It can stream 4K 3D videos, it does spatial audio and it's IP65 dust and water resistant. That doesn't mean you can dunk it in water, but it is resistant to splashes and jets of water. Once again, $10,500, but if you're serious about making VR films and VR theaters becoming a thing in China that's fairly popular, this is a more cost-effective way to get into it. A bunch of people could pool together. I heard dust and water resistant and raised some money and take it to Burning Man next year. Do you pool 360 VR Burning Man stuff? Exactly, finally, I can see all of those, the guy with the leather thong and the other guy with the leather thong. I know, the many blogs featuring Burning Man photography, not good enough, I got it to be 360. This actually is very cool. I mean, as soon as I saw the price tag, I was like, oh, never mind, okay, that's not for me, but the prices will continue to come down. Well, yeah, and I think that's the idea here is that they are selling this to the discovery networks of the work that you can, hey, buy one or two of these, swap them out, you can continue to have a easier way of going about producing this content which previously meant recording on a bunch of different GoPro's and then stitching it together and pose. Reviews of the Sonos One are out and pretty positive across the board. The new speaker works in the traditional Sonos way in my experience, sometimes that can be hard to set up, but once you have it set up, it now adds Amazon voice services, meaning you can do anything an Echo can do except make calls and messages and messages. Sonos also pairs plans rather to add Google Assistant sometime next year. It's $199, so it's somewhere between the Echo and the home's cheaper price point with lower quality speakers and then the more quality competitive but also more expensive forthcoming Apple HomePad and Google Home Max. Yeah, so I think this is a good move by Sonos, which could very much be at risk of being left behind because multi-room support is there for Google Home and Amazon Echo, but Sonos can say we make better speakers. We're good at this. We also support more music systems, although most of those are through the app. If you're using the Amazon voice service on the Sonos One, you still just get the services that Amazon voice services supports and in fact, you don't get Spotify yet, that's yet to come. So it's not a perfect world, but I like where they're going with this. The question is, is it too little, too late? Will people plunk down $199 because they're like, oh, right, Sonos makes really good speakers, that's worth it. Well, I mean, if you've got, if you're a Sonos person, so I've got a few Sonos speakers around my house and they can't be involved in this at all because they don't have microphones, but so that's in the way. It's like Sonos was really ahead of the curve and then kind of got left behind, but if you don't want to choose between Amazon and Google and Sonos says it will support both and possibly other platforms in the future which the company sort of vaguely did say, then it is the most attractive to me because I don't have a voice assistant speaker in my house yet and I kind of don't know how to choose which one is better because they all seem the same. So I like the idea of having multiple assistants in one speaker. I'm with you. If it makes use of my Sonos speakers, I'm totally down for it. I do believe that this is the last possible moment they could have not been totally left behind on this because as soon as Apple comes in and says, hey, we care about sound too, but we're Apple and this is going to look a lot better and it might be easier to pair than I think they would have totally lost whatever lead they had. Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com and the Amazon Echo, the Google Home anchor app just as a regular old podcast. All right, yesterday my Amazon Echo show showed me a headline that said Netflix was partnering with the UK's Top Shop. Top Shop is a clothing store in the UK. Now, this reminded me that back in August, Netflix acquired Miller World, which creates comics and everybody focused on the fact that Netflix owns the source of kick ass and Kingsman and that is valid. That is a very valid thing to analyze with Netflix acquiring Miller World, but at the time I said, you know what Miller World also does? They sell clothing and toys and video games and license other content from their properties and now Netflix is partnering with Top Shop on a Stranger Things fashion collection. That launches Friday in the UK, t-shirts, sweaters, accessories and you may have missed this but Target has a line of Stranger Things clothing and figurines, bobbleheads, to me. This, and you may have heard me say this before, this is what saves Netflix's growth. So way back in the day everyone said, well, how can Netflix continue to grow if everyone stops watching DVDs? But well before they got to that point, they started streaming. In fact, so early that people said, well, this is silly. Why are they doing streaming? Well, it turns out streaming is their entire business now and at a certain point people said, well, wait a minute, Netflix is gonna die because nobody can get the stuff from them anymore, stars is leaving and everybody's gonna leave and stop licensing them the content and of course that was when they started Lilyhammer and House of Cards and now Netflix originals are the strategy and everyone is like, oh, well, of course, that's how Netflix is going to survive through this but at a certain point they'll run out of subscription growth. They're already maxing out in the United States so they win international but at a certain point they'll max out international. I think this is where they go. Where they go next is merchandising because that's what Disney and even NBC and CBS do is they license out the properties that they own. And I think this is our Lilyhammer moment for them. They're putting their toes in the water with Target and Topshop, am I crazy? Merchandising, merchandising where the real money from the movie is made, absolutely. I think that this is totally what it is. Remember Marvel itself, which has some of their flagship television on Netflix was saved as a company because they were bought out by Ike Peter, Peter Mueller, who used to or does own Toy Biz that had the Marvel license. This is how you monetize original IP and if that is what Netflix is creating, they're in the business of creating then it makes absolute logical sense to roll this out. The question is how far they want to go with it. Well, and also when you talk about merchandising and you're right, Disney movies would be a perfect example. It's like a lot of that is aimed towards younger people. It's like something that you give as a gift or you want to proudly show your Stranger Things t-shirt. Stranger Things, of course, was very beloved by adults but it's still in that kind of nostalgia genre where I think it would move more merchandise than House of Cards. Not just any Netflix original is gonna make a lot of sense merchandise-wise, at least not clothing. Sure, maybe I'd buy a House of Cards mug or something but you're not gonna go to Topshop and get a picture of Kevin Spacey. I can't imagine how many people would buy a Stranger Things t-shirt after the initial run because it's sort of fashion and so fashion falls off pretty quickly whereas you could watch the series at any time. Voltron. I definitely see Netflix getting money through this and I'm sure. When I say Voltron, it's because that is a popular kid's show and parents like it too on Netflix. If they are deal to allow them to make originals of Voltron include a merchandising cut, that's smart. They should do that. But I guess that's my point on how far will they go because it is almost assuredly, they do not have a deal to sell, to make the money on Voltron merch. However, they could build a store, build merch.netflix.com or maybe even buy another company that has a cash aid for this like ThinkGeek and now all of a sudden, you've got a distribution arm with a mailing list and you can go to Marvel. You can go to whoever owns the rights for Voltron and say, hey, look, sell us your t-shirts. We will sell them to our customer base that we already have. All their viewing habits, we have all their demo data. This is a absolute dream for a merchandiser. Especially if you roll a little pre-roll around the holidays before your favorite Netflix show reminding you that merch.netflix.com exists. I could see it being, at least in spurts, a big money maker. It's email. They have your email. They are able to get into your email on Black Friday and Cyber Monday when you're just getting done shopping at stickers or daaft.com that you could go and buy. They would know exactly that I love Portlandia and that's why they want to sell me a, a, you know, put a bird on it t-shirt. I'm telling you right now, don't know when, but within 10 years, let's say, physical Netflix store where they can sell the Marvel stuff. They can sell Daredevil because they'll cut Disney, you know, they'll say, Disney, I know it's yours, but we'll all make money. Gonna be physical Netflix store somewhere. Theme park. I think theme park is a reach. I can see them licensing out. Now they may not operate the theme park entirely, but they, you know, they may be part of a universal or a Disney one, but it's going to happen. He could easily merge that out. I mean, it's interesting because merchandising in a way is a feedback loop. It feeds back into content. For example, Voltron. Voltron was huge in the 80s. Kind of died off in the 90s. You had bits and pieces. They revived it again in the 2000s as a cartoon, a syndicated cartoon. Then they brought it back again for Voltron. But the reason why it was kept alive for so long is because the fan base was there that they could continually sell, of course, you know, the toys and stuff that they manufactured as well as bits and pieces of it, but they could trade on the nostalgia enough that they could kind of reboot a series and have that line spawn its own merchandise. So it's kind of, it's kind of like a farming concept where, okay, you know, I got the corn. I still have the stock. It can take the stock, turn it into mulch and grow new product, you know, in a five, eight years time. And it's what's really interesting is Miller World kind of covers both ends, right? Because one, it has IP that they can turn into stories that can turn into products, which eventually will generate new stories or new concepts, you know, in the eight, 10 years time. So, you know, if you can bounce it right, you have a never ending story merchandising. And you have the perfect name for your theme park, Miller World. Okay. There's no way they're gonna do a theme park. And I would be totally shocked if they did much beyond pop-up shops because the question is now for any kind. 22 minutes, 55 seconds into episode 3141, market. I'm just saying. There's no way that they will, a pop-up shop? Yes. But who goes, if you do have your strength online, why open up with a physical shop with margins that thin? All right, folks. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. We've got some really good suggestions over there from y'all on various foreign language or non-English language podcasts. So really appreciate that. You can submit stories and vote on them there as well. And lots of really good conversations going on at facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show. A clarification to yesterday's amateur traveler from Chris Christensen, who says, on the segment I did about the handy phone, as far as I can tell, the phone in my room offered free data and free international calls to a number of countries, including the US. I made the crack about them wanting to charge you. He says, they're not. This was also in a hotel room that had free internet with speeds 10 times what I have at home, by the way. The phone does show ads and local promotions in the apps that let you find local events and restaurants, tickets to events. So it appears that is probably the economic model. And then we actually got Mike from Perth, Australia who backed this up on a trip to Tokyo and Singapore. The hotels offered two different models of the handy device. And they didn't get charged anything for data at those as well. So there you go. Little ad supported for an international phone call. Yeah, right. Phil Luthman, who's the director of technology at Wadsworth City Schools in Wadsworth, Ohio, wrote in about our conversation yesterday about open offices versus coffee shops and ambient noise and how it's not one size fits all for the best way to work. Phil says, I was listening to your show. I agree that it's likely a very personal preference. But I think there are some common threads for most people. My anecdotal evidence is that while I'm in my office at work, it's insanely quiet. And so I play ambient music. He says Soma FM is his ambient music place of choice. I find I'm in most productive, my most productive element at that time and able to move through a ton of tasks when I have this on. And then he says, is that weird? I don't think it's weird at all. I think I mentioned that I used to listen to white noise kind of loud in noise canceling headphones when I was in a place where I really didn't want to hear anyone else talking. And it was better than silence. There is something to be said about having a certain amount of noise that helps you focus better than no noise at all. But various people like myself can't hear words. So maybe Soma FM drone zone, which is what he links to might work because it's more ambient stuff. I could definitely see that. And along these same lines, Alan wrote in, but first he says, this message is long overdue. I really like the new incarnation of the show. Having Sarah on the team has made for a lively dynamic as well as a different perspective. So yay team. Well, great. Thank you, Alan. I'm happy to be here. And I try not to be too much of a contrarian, but different perspectives are good. Alan is also digging the new version of the theme music. So well done there. I also have a hard time focusing in an open office environment, he writes. Unfortunately, that seems to be all the rage in Silicon Valley. I haven't had a real office in more than 15 years. I had a high wall cubicle only two out of the last eight years, so the trend is not encouraging. Music helps me focus and it doesn't matter so much if it's instrumental or vocal, but whether or not it's familiar. If it's music I'm familiar with, it's easy to tune out. If it's music I haven't heard before, I tend to pay more attention to it. A lot of people at work wear headphones for this reason, but I don't like wearing them, and I get up often enough that it has been a pain the few times I've tried. And even if I could tune out the talk around me, my boss sits one row over and he likes calling out to people instead of going over to them. People calling out from one cube to another is one of the worst things in open offices. You know, Justin, I know you primarily work from home, but you've worked in offices before. The open office has just become such a part of life. I mean, I'm not in an office now, but I kind of prefer it to a cubicle, quite honestly, because I feel less claustrophobic, but I guess everybody has their preferences. Yeah, I think it is obviously... Your office configuration is about how you best deal with it and not necessarily, for many people, a choice. For me, the last time I worked in an office, they took away our internet, and I haven't worked in an office since. And that was like... What? What kind of office is that? I don't know. I'll tell you what. Everybody there at P-Wolf Architectural Consultants, the North remembers. Well, that is it for this episode of Daily Tech News Show. Justin Robert Young, thank you so much, my friend. What you got going on? 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So I don't know if anybody could hear it, but there is something beeping in my studio and I have no idea what it is and I could not find it. I did not hear it. All right. Well, if you get complaints, then I apologize. We nailed the timing today too. That means we, that means someone can just come in and complain. If you didn't say anything, no one would have said. I didn't hear anything about anything. All right, cool. JPEG, Len will be on tomorrow. He just won't be hosting, but yes, Len will be here tomorrow. Oh, Len. Len, sorry, Len. I'm so sorry. There's one that was right in that. I was thinking women, women, women. Yeah, it's really weird because I was like, you know what? I'm gonna stop while I'm ahead. Titles, Netflix and shill. Pay no attention to the authoritarianism in China's quarter. Netflix and shill, I get it. Merchandising, merchandising. Merchflix, Netflix. 80-style shows, 80-style merchandising. Award-winning DTNS show, oh, title's on the show. Sorry. Target offers stranger things than usual. Stranger merchandise. Willie Till's Gregory is an influencer. Lenox on Dex. Uber cap, over Uber, like over under. LTE advancing slowly, Burning Man VR. Not sure, 3D Burning Man and thong. It's not all thongs, mind you. Some of them were chaps. Netflix style shows. So, so many thongs. There's a lot of, there's just, I just wanna know, because each year it just, nothing really changes. It's like, why does everything have to be furry or glittery? Why? It's because they ransacked an Ikea show. Don't forget the flower wreaths. Sure, but it's like furry boots and glittery things. Small bathing suits, it's just like- Because they're awesome, that's why, Sarah. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. It certainly seems, I remember- Especially because people talk about the extreme elements. It's hot, it's cold, there's dust, whatever. Why did we all agree on kind of a very specific look? Uniform? Well, they didn't. That was just, that's just groupthink. You can go as- Well, I think that's what Sarah's saying though. Why did that agreement, that groupthink? Yeah, like how did that become the self-expression thing? Sorry, I've never been to Burning Man and so I shouldn't talk smack. Yeah, no. Sarah, I'm with you. Excuse me, one minute. It kind of feels like Burning Man, for this pillar of creativity for which it is lauded to be, is obviously this and there's some amazing architectural stuff that's built up out there in the middle of nowhere, but also there's a lot of people in Uggs giving a peace sign. Like- Yeah, like standing next to sculptures that say love. Yeah. Is this mean we're choosing Netflix and Shill as the title? Yeah, like merchandising, merchandising. Oh, there was another one, Merch Flakes was my other favorite, Merch Flakes. How about check out the sweets baseball's reference? You know, I wish they actually made some of those items that yogurt, was it yogurt, right? It was shown off. Yeah, yogurt. You know what's interesting? A flame thrower. So this is the great thing I just occurred to me about Miller World is that it's still another outlet. So one of the things that screenwriters do when they can't get a screenplay sold to like a televised show sold, they'll turn it and distribute it over as a comic. And so they could very well keep talented writers but not necessarily have a funding for that year to produce a show. It's like, we'll keep you happy. How about if we keep Bider's story, screenplay, and we put it into a comic book forum, you know, and then we get the comic takes off, we can turn it into a Netflix show later. Yeah, that's smart. That's really what, you know, they are buying, they bought Miller, and I think it is Miller World, but that's how I've always said it. I said that and I was corrected by a couple of different people. So I'm assuming. People said it was Miller, all right, well. It's Miller time. Considering how many things he has already had optioned that they will not have the rights to. Right, the idea that like they're just buying the rest of what's in his brain because all they need is one original, wholly owned IP to hit to justify that entire deal. Oh, totally, totally. But I think, I think what Netflix is really good at is understanding where, you know, how something helps them right now but also helps them down the road. And I think Miller World does both. Yeah, and it's definitely something that I think will give them legs in the long term, you know. It's true that they do get, you know, access to IPs that he has in already optioned. Netflix streaming will never catch on, Tom. There's not enough bandwidth. Netflix Originals will never catch on. They don't know how to produce original content. Let me ask you this. They're just a tech company. If they still like, you know, it just occurred to me like, you know, the Stranger Things Android game. What if they start, like if they reach out into gaming as a gaming publisher, do you think they've essentially overreached or do you think that's just part of the natural progression of a media empire? Because Activision used to be owned by Time Warner and Natare and like all these large media conglomerates at one time or another had, you know, a video game company or two under its belt. And I'm curious to know if that's- I would say yes, if it is an outgrowth of their merchandise. You know, if they think that it makes more sense that every, that there is enough original content that would pair well with a video game, then they will have their own creator. And then maybe from that, the original ideas can kind of come out. But I think everything is subservient to how do we maximize our return on original IP investment? I expect them to start changing the kinds of original content that they produce too. Up till now, it has been, we don't care where it comes from. We don't care even if Fincher owns the international distribution rights at the beginning. We just need original, original, original. Now I would expect them to start kind of leaning into, well, yes, the Marvel stuff's great, but we need to have our own original content. But we need to have our own hits. And that's what Miller World will help them with. It's also what Stranger Things is the first of, which is why you see them doing the merchandising with that first. And I expect them to do that more. And they're banking on more Stranger Things, more new IPs that are super popular. Yeah. I think they want that. And they want to really maximize that Myerwit story's new and selected T-shirt boom. There's also a top shop section inside Bloomingdale's now, at least some Bloomingdale's. Here at the US, really? So look, Stranger Things has gone to the department store. Yeah, yeah, right in Santa Monica. I wonder if they'll carry that over. That's it. I don't know. Well, because Target has the younger juniors section. Well, because Target has the deal here, so I don't know if that would prevent them from doing that or not. No, no. This is why I'm glad you're here, because I would have never known that. What do you mean? When's the last time you don't go to Bloomingdale's every Saturday? The last time I went to Bloomingdale's was when Century City was so broken down that you had to go through Bloomingdale's to get from one point to another. Oh, before they like redid there. Yeah, before the remodel was done. You know, the last place that I lived in San Francisco was in, it was really close to downtown. And I went to movies like the Century and the Metrion all the time. It was really close to my house and there was a Bloomingdale's there. And so I just kind of ended up in there a lot, like on my way to the movie theater or yeah, going from one street to another and cutting through. And it was a beautiful store. I mean, it's really expensive for most of the stuff, but it was a great experience. And the one in Santa Monica is like, not like that at all. So I guess they vary a lot. One in Century City was kind of nice except for the part that was under construction. So it wasn't really a fair. But now Century City's gorgeous. Roger, it's even better than the last time you were there. Ooh. All that closed stuff has opened up now. Well, yeah. And you know that Disney store thing that Ellie was doing alone in the store? There's like that. They had that in the central courtyard on a huge big screen. And we're doing it with a huge crowd of kids. And I believe the LA arm of Edelwey is going in that Century City complex. I know exactly. It's not open yet, but it is there. I know exactly where it is. By the way, have you guys gone over as a follow-up to all the cities that are falling over themselves to be Amazon? No, that would have been, that's another possible topic. Yeah, yeah. There was an interesting article I read yesterday that said it's going to be four million or more. It's going to be Chicago, Dallas, Boston, like big cities. But yeah, I mean, Joe Buck did a video for St. Louis I saw, and what was it? Some other smaller city. Well, I know. Didn't Trudeau do a call? I mean, granted, the Canada thing still might be a big hump. We'll say the thing first. Oh, that Trudeau basically called, did a personal call or he wrote a letter to directly to Amazon Management about the virtues of Toronto or the country. Yeah, we should do that. We should do a follow-up on that. Yeah, there are some pretty, like some of the smaller cities, like the stuff is very hokey and goofy. It's like, well, we'll rename our town, Amazonville, place. But yeah, I mean, I think that there's a real arms race there, which is exactly what Amazon wanted to do. It shows you how. One person put the theory forward that, these are all towns that are in position to regulate Amazon, towns and states. And so it's a way to soften them up. But I'm like, that doesn't really work because at some point they'll award a city, this headquarters, and then all those other towns and states are going to be like, well, we don't know anything anymore. No, yeah, it's a way to get competitive tax breaks for construction and stuff. In the place where they end up. Yeah. In the place where they end up, yeah. But this guy was saying it was gonna help them with regulation across the country. And I'm like, I don't think that's gonna work. That's what they pay lobbyists for in state houses across the country. Oh, lobbyists. They don't stay in the lobby anymore, you know. No. No, they go wherever they gash darn well, please, those little rodents. Oh, did you see Chicago? Number one in rats. What was that? Chicago is number one in rats, the rat population, according to Orkin. Yeah, yet another number. So do they just go by the number of carcasses they come across or? I didn't look that far into it to find out how Orkin rates it. Well, if it's Orkin, it's probably based on the number of calls they get. The joke part of this survey, the fertile ground for your jokes part of the survey is that Washington, D.C., fell from third to fifth. Uh... I mean, the rat just fling the shit. San Francisco is now fourth, and I think LA is solid third. For rats? Yeah, New York's second, I think. Wow, I don't ever see rats around. At least I've heard of them. Sawyer killed a rat in our backyard one time, so we don't see him around here anymore either. When you say rat, do you talk about field mice sized? Ask Orkin, man, I don't know. No, I mean, the one that... Yeah, I mean, the one that Sawyer killed? Sawyer killed one that was about this big and had a tail like that long. Oh, wow. I know that I'm in the minority, but I like rats, and I don't care if there are rats in the city. I think that's fine, and I hope that people don't kill them. Wait, rats are mice. Rats are mice. Both of them. I like them. I like possums, too, because possums just look like even bigger cute rats to me. Okay. Oh, man. We've got mice in our building right now, and it is driving my wife up a wall. As in the middle of the night, she just hears something chewing on, something or them skittering through the walls, and she last night got up no less than three times about to do ungodly harm to one of these little creatures. By the way, she never has. We catch them in these little green traps, no harm traps, and then we bring them out into the wilderness and allow them to go. The wilderness. You mean Berkeley? No, just a Lake Merritt, you know? The old Far Hill. Right, Lake Merritt, so they just go into someone else's house. Walnut Creek. Well, I made a mistake and accidentally stopped the Patreon full recording in the middle of our rat conversation. Oh, dear. You YouTubers got, and video podcast people got a little bonus rat conversation. I don't know if you're thankful for that or not, but you got it, and we'll see everybody tomorrow. Bye. Bye.