 So we're here at CES 2014 and who are you? I'm John Lamontek. I'm president CEO of Cambryos Technologies And we make silver nanowire transparent conductors for touch screens So what is what is this? So our material is made of tiny tiny Silver nanowires these wires are tens of nanometers in diameter They are suspended in an ink and our customers put that ink on these transparent films So that this film can conduct electricity and be patterned into a very very thin very light and flexible touch screen So here's a Hitachi chemical doing this one exactly Hitachi chemicals one of our partners Okara as well And these customers of ours can coat this film very wide widths Very high speed and make a very cost-effective touch screen. That's very thin and light so this This is what you sell exactly so this is our product It's called clear-oam And this jar is enough to coat many many meters of film with a very thin layer of transparent conductor All right. How much how many phones can you make with one of these? Oh with a leader of this ink You know depending on How conductive you'd like the film to be a leader of this ink can coat say 100 square meters of material and that's enough to do. Oh say four or five thousand phones just with this tiny jar of ink Nice and over there you're showing a bunch of those are actual end products, right? That's correct So we have you know because of the conductivity that our material can get to The the the normal conductivity for a transparent conductive film is around 120 or 100 ohms per square With our material we can get to much much better conductivity. What that means is we can build a very large Touchscreen large enough for say this 23 inch monitor Produced by LG and this is available today And so that the touch response is the same kind of response You'd see on a very small display like a phone a very fast response time Really wonderful full 10 finger touch very very fast response and that's because of the conductivity of our film Normally to build a touch sensor this large you'd have to do that on glass which is very thick very heavy But because we can get to this great conductivity on just film We can make this sensor very very thin light Nice and does one Uh, yes, so a number of oems have adopted our technology. This is the Lenovo flex 20 This came on the market just a little while ago. It's a beautiful thin light, but very large Interesting form factor for an all-in-one It can actually this is a complete all-in-one. You can fold it down flat to You know do gaming to multi-person interaction Really tremendous device again would be very difficult to do this using a glass sensor would just be too thick and too heavy So how's the visibility on this display? How is the quality? Uh, it's tremendous. Uh, in fact our material when we go on film It's more uh transparent than the current state of the art, which is indium tin oxide ito. They call it And so we have more transparency more conductivity and because it's processed roll to roll Kind of like you can think of printing the newspaper. It's very inexpensive Very uh, so good price and good performance. Absolutely. Absolutely the best Certainly in fact What we've recently announced is that the largest touch sensor maker in the world tpk company in taiwan Join together with ourselves and nisha Again, one of the largest film based touch sensor makers in the world And we have created a joint venture Between the three companies to focus on the silver nanowire film for the Large phone and tablet market both tpk and nisha have recognized that by using our material They can get to incredibly low cost and really address that part of the market in ways they couldn't with any other material Large phone tablet. These are like old in ones, right? This is even bigger. That's correct And so a number of our other customers because of the conductivity we have can make these very very large size sensors So um, in fact, this is an example of another partnership. We just announced This is our partnership with 3m. Obviously 3m very large film manufacturer and materials company in the world They have selected cambrios silver nanowires to go after the notebook all in one and even larger size touch screens in fact They've stated that they can make touch sensors up to 60 inch big Using our material and that way they can do kiosks Commercial applications point of sale, you know, those really huge touch screens. Did you see on tv? That's the market that 3m is going after so there's 3m here and all the other companies That's right. So, you know cambrios has been in the business of making the silver nanowires for close to a decade now We've really got all the top manufacturers of touch now interested in our material Using our material and producing touch sensors. So, um, you know, we've we've had We've had products on the shelf for more than a year using our material And an increasing number of partners and customers that are going to production So you say 10 years, but now it's accelerating something is happening Well, you know, the whole touch market is accelerating, right? And so I think the the length of time this takes is indicative of how difficult this technology is to do But now that we have it perfected and the touch market is exploding, especially large area touch We have a tremendous opportunity in front of us. All right. So it's uh, do you think That uh cambrios is going to be the main Technology well, I think it's fair to say that if you were to ask media analysts or or People that watch the touch space They would tell you that among the alternatives to ito in the market right now cambrios is clearly the leader And companies like tpk and 3m wouldn't be making the bets that they are on us unless that were the case Nice. Can you show a few more demos? Absolutely. So these are some of our um, our other partners One of the things about the silver nanowires is that not only is the substrate that they're going on flexible But the nanowires themselves are very flexible ito is very brittle. It will break And so with the cambrios material you can make a flexible touch sensor That's beautiful completely shatterproof could bend around edges these kinds of things So that touch sensor can be made so that these coming wearable devices these curved phones Curved large screen displays they can all have touch on them using our material as well Um, and this is some other products from one of our other partners in taiwan unidisplay They're making everything from phone size all the way to notebook tablets Recently entered the market and again, they really couldn't get to the price points they can unless they were using our material So it's about price point and uh, is this something about transparency? Absolutely. So as you can see really invisible No way to to see any of the patterning and so forth All right, um, here's our partnered issue and mentioned, uh, you know in the context of tpk This is again a flexible touch sensor and this was made for the automotive market You can imagine, you know the in the automotive space You've always got that big flat square navigation and control screen in your car Now because of this flexible screen, you'll be able to wrap this around that beautiful curved dashboard You have in your car and not be faced with that big ugly square screen in the middle So this is sampling now as well and should be showing up in automobiles over the next few years Are you can you say that it's the best touch for flexible? Absolutely. In fact last year our partner nisha did a study of how flexible our material was And they showed that on a bend radius of only three millimeters You could bend a substrate with our material on it all the way 180 degrees They did that 100,000 times with no change in the conductivity of the device So that means the future the crazy future with phones that aren't going to look like phones They're going to be all kinds of shapes. Absolutely. It's only going to be possible with your technology Well, I think if you'd ask our partners, they would tell you that All right, so looking forward to that. I hope very soon. Yes, absolutely as do we