 I've beat everybody into the call. The background is the landscape from Seoul. There's John. Hey, good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good to see you. Same here. We got the, I don't know how we, is it just us? We're early, so it's just us so far. Okay, well, great to see you in any case. At some point, we should have a one-to-one. I'd like that, I'd be good. There's a lot of stuff cooking. Yeah, there's so much stuff cooking. I have four million tabs open that I've got to sort of filter. Yeah, I have the same feeling. And it's pretty amazing. Right, right. One of the tweets I just retweeted this morning was basically pulling up the old German magazine covers from both Stern and Spiegel. And Stern is kind of more, you know, people magazine, but Spiegel is their serious business magazine. Yeah. And, you know, as soon as Trump was elected, they had covers on it about his fascism. Yeah, they were right on time. Understandably early in their awareness of that. Yeah, yeah. Like, oh, we were aware, but we were embarrassed about, we said, oh, no, that's, we don't want to say that. Well, it was actually actively suppressed. I mean, it's like, you couldn't really call it out because like, no, he's not. No, give him a good chance, just a business guy. Right. Mike, awesome. Greetings. Does anybody recognize my background? I was going to ask. Is it from a science fiction story? No, not really sci-fi. Is it painting, a painting, not a pic, not a photograph? No, it's a, it's a, it's an image from a movie. Oh. Pardon. Xanadu. I never saw the movie, but I'm going to guess. Nope. Nope. But good guess. The background we're guessing. I don't watch enough movies. It's a, it's a new movie. So probably you haven't watched it. I highly recommend it. We're not done watching it actually. We've only gone halfway through. Yes. So this is kind of the bardo. This is, this is where. Where we go after we die kind of, or at least it's Pete doctor's image of that. It's kind of a bardo kind of partner. What's the name of the movie? I didn't hear. So. Yep. It's a new Pixar movie. And Pete doctor. Who has predicted, he did inside out. I think he did big. He did a whole bunch of, of like really important. It's nice. Yeah. And he really has this gigantic imagination for figuring out. Like what. What happens and then, and how our lives work and how emotions work and all of that kind of stuff. It's really, it's like, you know, that's a really important thing to do. So that's why I think this is an important sort of work that, that. Cartooning and animation can do. Did you do cocoa too? I think he did. Yeah. Coco was fantastic in terms of the imagery of the bridge between the worlds and the constant dissolving and, you know, it's really stellar work. Here's. Interesting. Yeah. Monsters Inc. So there we are. Hey, welcome to the OGM check-in call for Thursday, January 14th, 2021, which has started off with a bang. One has to say. A bang? Several bangs, actually, sort of in different ways. Hey, Kevin. Or just wondering in to say hi. I was happy to see the second impeachment. It certainly puts a nice footnote on Trump's record. I'm very bummed that McConnell isn't going to join everybody in calling an emergency session of the Senate so that they can actually convict, because that would certainly send a sign. I would have thought there'd be some provision for that being done without McConnell by some cluster of other people. Apparently the calling of an emergency session has to be bipartisan, has to be like the leaders of both sides of the Senate. Both parties, that's, I guess, the rule. George, did you want to jump in? No, I just want to say hi. Cool. I just love the Schwarzenegger movie or video if you haven't seen it. It's just very good. It's very good. Slight plot spoiler on it. You see his face and then they do a second shot from over here and a third shot from over here. When you see the second shot, he's like, his hand is on something. At the beginning, I'm like, and the second time they do it, I'm like, his hand is on a katana, like a Japanese sword or something. Then it's like, oh no, wait a minute. Then he brings up Conan's sword. Good prop. Not everybody gets to pull out Conan's sword and he takes it seriously. And then he says, we'll be back. Exactly. Rosalie, brilliant. Oh no, it's not Rosalie. It's Kevin who's muted. Rosalie with a beard. Kevin, if you're talking to us, we can't hear you. On the laptop, I'm Rosalie. I need to go change and make it me. Excellent. Or you could just do a little makeup and stuff and try to pretend like you're Rosalie. I don't think that would play well at home. Yeah, I don't think so either. Cool. So let's, yeah, thanks Klaus for the Schwarzenegger video. And in the back of my head, I'm thinking or wishing that more of what we're up to existed in the world so that the stories of, hey, is this fascism or insurrection or a coup or what, and other kinds of stories that are happening could be visualized, told, memorialized, mapped, shared out, analyzed, experimented with in better ways given that we have the intertubes and some new technologies in the world. But we're not. I mean, this is basically the last week, the last year, the last decade, I've been scrolling between web pages and tweets and videos and whatnot. So we're kind of stuck there. So why don't we do a, go ahead. Can I ask you a question? Like, where are you at with the software of OGM? If that's a possible brief answer? It's a medium length answer, Eric, but thanks for asking. So OGM isn't seeking to build a new software platform like the next LinkedIn or the next Brain, but rather to create an environment within which a variety of tools are much more open, if not completely open source and more interoperable and can share reliable data and encourage storytelling and discourse and better decision making and all those things. So we're sort of trying to figure out how do we encourage a lot of these tools to talk to each other and to be available so that people who want to explain, experiment, share what they know, curate, can do so together. Because right now, every tool's kind of got its own little data silo, and the tools are really quite different one from the other. Valuable and others are not so valuable. So anybody else want to take a swing at the answer? And one last thing I'll add, which is there's a sub project of OGM called Free Jerry's Brain, which is trying to take an extract of my data and put it in the world so that we can experiment with it. And we're actually getting really close to that. Yeah, I also know developer act database. I have to remind me talking to you about it. Which database? Yeah, probably you did it as well already, but I know someone who actually, yeah, reverse engineered the brain database. Oh, okay, cool. Let's have that conversation. Anybody else want to add something about the status of our platform ish thing? Pete, did I do okay? All right. Good. So let's do a let's do a check in and let's go. Kevin, I know you only have a half hour of these days because you have a standing call. So let's go Kevin Scott George. Okay. And it's only every other Thursday that I have half an hour so I have a regular. I've been mentioning this Community Equity Fund, which is friends and family funding for black and brown entrepreneurs who don't have a rich uncle. And we got a the Episcopal diocese here in western North Carolina said we would put up, they would put up 25,000 if we they get a letter from the hospital foundation that they really would put out 100 if there's a match and asking for that letter caused the hundred to flow. So suddenly we have 130,000 and we're talking to banks saying, well, if the hospital's there and so anyway, getting a lot of momentum and getting some really interesting faith based we can create what we're calling a perpetual mission fund through this kind of thing for churches where you you give you invest in black businesses and then over time the money comes back and then you designate it for local goods. So it's anyway, a lot of really cool momentum happening there. And that's the that's the simplest thing. So yeah, I like that Kevin. I should be asking more often. Is there any way that OGM could be helpful for that initiative? Like to tell the stories better to memorialize and share the results or the questions or anything like that? Well, so yeah, we are setting up a series of four group webinars that we're going to do three a month. One is for college students, local college students here. One is for faith based groups. One is for chamber and public sector folks. And so we will talk about increased sales tax, increased property tax values, increased wages, increased jobs, you know, all those all those things because they like to measure quantifiable economic growth and we can show that folks who don't have money, if they get assets, grow all those things that they measure. And so that's one thing. And we've got one for banks and philanthropic institutions and then for public for. Yeah, so that's what we're doing. We're working on the the customizing the decks to show growth to city and chamber folks and to show why you're connected to folks that you want to be connected to across race and class for people of faith and kids to talk about, you know, this look at the future invest in the future that you're part of and all that kind of stuff. And then, you know, and then the institutional which will be, you know, that stuff you do the institution. So as those work out, I'd love to anybody who wants to be in a, you know, some kind of a viewing group around, you know, we wouldn't ask this group to go into the faith based messaging, but maybe the public sector messaging or the college student messaging might be interesting. Because we think it and we're getting it replicated in a couple places because it's really just, it's much more like STP than it is like an oil refinery, like, you know, it adds to folks who already have loan funds because it goes down to where the loan funds don't get the money out that everybody's realizing the problem. And we went into Chicago, both Kellogg Business School and Axion Accelerator said they were about to create a thing like that. And I've been working on it longer because I realized the problem about six years ago and this this is a better version. So it's starting to replicate. And so we'll figure out other things. But yeah, people could the more, you know, the message of students and the message to the, you know, the chamber and public sector worlds that that would be really useful because we're just figuring those things out. Don't know. Yeah, should be a few weeks. Yeah. Kevin, maybe just to connect the dot on and maybe this will be my update, Jerry, one of the one of the conversations that I'm having right now is with West Western Michigan University. And they're in a small group within their business school. And they they've actually created this really interesting model where they basically turned their program into a consulting program. So they send their students out into the field where they provide consulting services at minimal rates to different local businesses. And then but one of the things they've done is they built up I think is a $50 million fund where they are buying businesses. And then their graduates are taking over the management of those businesses. And so they're learning how to run these things. But I think maybe there's a connection here around what types of investments that this fund makes and how they do it and all that kind of stuff. So maybe Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, I'm talking to the guy tomorrow. So and so I don't know where this fits. But one of the things that I was thinking about bringing to this group of OGM is convincing them that they can, they can, you know, exponentially grow their advisors, their teachers, their mentors for these people by tapping into, you know, this OGM community. So they're not only getting education from kind of classic corporate businesses, but they're also getting, you know, thinking about business 2.0 or the 21st century organizations. And Doug, I was thinking about you as well around, can we talk about, you know, sort of these garden communities and because that's what they're trying to do. Kalamazoo is really a hotbed for being its own garden community. They're investing a ton of money. They've created this thing called the Kalamazoo Promise where if you graduate from a high school, Kalamazoo High Schools, they'll pay for your college education. There's a lot of social money going on and it may be a good community, Kevin, to get you linked into. So that'd be great. Well, you know, one of the things that's interesting about this gap is that the people creating funds don't see it because they don't have it. I was doing a call with a group at Duke Business School and they're doing the capital stack, which is, you know, big project finance to private equity to venture to seed and then down to friends and family. I said, well, what if they don't have a rich uncle or rich aunt? And this Duke student looked at me for a minute and like, not have a rich uncle, not have a rich aunt. And so the people building the funds don't realize that this actually has to be an asset class because the folks I started working with, where I saw it six years ago, I was working with two, you know, African American accelerators and we said, let's do Kiva. And nobody could do it because nobody had 25 friends with 25 dollars, any of the 50 people. And so it was this gap and it was like, they have friends and family, but they don't have friends and family that 25 people have 25 dollars. So then working on an institutionalizing that, but it's a really, it's a blind spot for all the fund managers because they, fund managers come from good schools and have networks with people with money, which is why you have a fund manager. So it's a really, the Duke guys are like, took him like 30 seconds to think, realize, what world would that be in? You know, it's like, it's not a Duke business school world. It took him a minute, you know, so it's, so they're building these loan funds and then they don't know why the money didn't go out the door because people aren't ready for that. They don't have that friends and family to get them ready. So anyway, I'd love like a landing page, Kevin. No, it's actually equity and revenue share, which I can go into and send you a deck or whatever you email me. Yeah, nobody needs any more debt. This is patient capital equity revenue share. Pooled income fund is the structure. I'd love to wrap sort of an OGM a wrapper around this conversation so far, which is I think one of the best things we could do for the country is to sort of go into the country and try to fix what's broken. And it would be really interesting as an OGM project to create a field manual, a handbook, a toolkit, whatever it might be that helps people. So the school that you're working with, Matt, is doing a cool thing, describe it and replicate it, like make it really, really easy for anybody who's trying to fix things to go, oh, okay, we go talk to the school, we go do this, we do that. And then here are the kinds of things we can bring up. And then here are the kinds of programs we can institute to create a step into the economic system and so on and so forth. And this is nonpartisan, but it could be full of really interesting ideas and stories to tell. And then part of the thing is, what is the framework where you can discover what the options are? How do you connect with other people in these sort of different networks and subnetworks? And then if you want to do this thing you just heard the story of, how do you then go implement it? I think this is why we need a questing architecture infrastructure. How do you quest? How do you codify your quest? How do you scale your quest? How do you create the replication and all that kind of stuff? So I feel like that's a priority from an infrastructure standpoint for us. Agreed, totally agree. Doug, did you want to add to that? Yeah, I'm just thinking that if we did a project that involved the community, we amongst ourselves would divide quickly. For example, whether we are looking at the project in the context of capitalism or outside of capitalism. And I don't think we've had that discussion. So it would be fascinating, but it might be really difficult to take on a concrete project. Yeah, this would be a wonderful discussion because what we really want is capitalism operating in fair and well-regulated secure markets. I mean, that's the fastest way to get anything done really to incentivize people and let them go for it within that regulatory frame that keeps the direction. So I will submit that when you said what we really want at the beginning of the sentence, that that doesn't actually cover everybody on this call. I will bet that there are people on this call who believe that capitalism itself structurally sucks things dry and is not reformable. I'm not sure I fall in that camp. I mean, we can probably still repair capitalism, but it is not a long shot to think that capitalism as the primary structure for distributing goods and being efficient and motivating people. Like the motivating people part, I'm not so sure. There's a whole bunch of issues that unpack right there as Doug said. This might actually split open, but I think that if we can approach these questions in a really generative way and in a sort of collaborative way, I think we can come into what to do that would work for all of us in those ways. Do you want to go ahead, Koss? Yeah, then I think we need to put a time frame also into the equation here because what can we do now short term really effective because we're in an amazing mess which we have to take out of and where do we want to go to? Yeah, and I'm not sure it's a time frame as much as separating the philosophical conversation from the let's go quest this thing out and let's go do something productive thing so that we don't get bogged down in the philosophical conversation. And the philosophical conversation, by the way, has been going on for a couple of hundred years and will probably continue for a while. So I think the interesting thing here is to make it more visible, more manifest in ways that are useful to other people who are having the same conversation because I don't know that we're going to conclude it. I don't know we're going to finish it but we could help people see it differently, see it better. Does that make sense? Yeah, cool. Let's go back to Scott George Ingrid. Hi everybody. Matt Kalamazoo is just a couple hours from me and it actually was the first interview that I had where I was interested in design thinking. That was the first time I'd ever heard of it and so there I have a wonderful link to that and that whole southwestern Michigan area is just dynamite right now. Second thing, I woke up this morning and in that delicious state of not quite awake yet but still conscious, I was able to completely rebuild my thinking skills program in my head. It has over a hundred elements and I was able to structurally hit every single one of them which tells me that the structure leads to the pieces and that they all integrate and actually make sense because to have a hundred distinct bits all actually like reconstructable in my head was my test that this actually is legit so I'm super excited about that. And the last thing is this is something that I was thinking about in the middle of the week. It's about the bubbles that we live in and the thought is because our feed is long scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll but we can get to the end at the point where you see okay no new posts we can forget how little we're actually seeing because the feed is super long and we think wow there's so much but we get to the end the end and then we think okay well I've covered my bases I've seen what's out there and we forget that now you're still only seeing just a little slice so it's just something I was thinking about. Thank you. You just made me think that there's no such thing as inbox zero with Twitter. The best you can do is be caught up at the moment and you never really caught up because you clearly haven't read everybody's tweet or all tweets you think you saw or anything like that which requires a zen mindset of kind of letting go of the need to have covered it all right and I think of Twitter as this sort of river that I dip the ladle into and I'm just like okay what's going on right now and then the river rushes on because it's truly a rushing torrent. Thank you. Let's go to George and Greg Julian. I'm curious to know how many of you are sort of not extremely actively but at least participating in Twitter so about half of you okay interesting. So I had a very productive morning that might reflect on all of this. I decided last night that I needed a slogan or a catch phrase or a what creativity exercise I use is paradoxical book title something that that sums up my mind skills system so that I could not only explain it but motivate people to be curious about it. So I went through my usual creativity ritual which is to dump a bunch of stuff on into Rome and then take a shower so it was a very productive shower. That's my secret weapon that I see a lot of other people have found. If my skin could take it I'd probably take six out six showers a day and be more productive than da Vinci but be that as it may. What I came up with in the shower was mind skills power tools. Power tools being things that let a little tiny weak person cut down a gigantic tree or build a gigantic house or whatever whatever. So they're ways of not just leveraging. Leveraging seems way too small. You know you can use a lever but why use a lever when you can use a power tool and it also takes it away from preaching at people. It takes it away from telling people how to think to come from their standpoint enabling them to do bigger things. So I think the thing that OGM needs is not just a quest which I loved by the way and I love the quest checklist you rattled off so quickly it was very profound. I think it needs to be I would say I would sum it up in two words build something find something to build that will integrate all the knowledge it will force everything together it forces the philosophy to be concretized it forces people to think about what the concrete pieces mean it pulls everything together so I've always found throughout my life that building something is the is the key not just productivity but building something. Getting something made. I agree thank you George. Pascal. For what it's worth George and I have still not connected yet and that's my fault. We're working in parallel paths and just as a reiteration my program is three large buckets systems thinking design thinking and narrative thinking and the design thinking is all about making that's it's the it's the practical portion of it so you and I are in sync in separate paths here. What do you think about the power tools idea? I like it makes sense I have my own and I'm not going to share it at the moment because I don't want to affect your thinking and I've not been sharing some of mine so Judith wisely counseled me to maintain my integrity and originality by being by or helping me understand that by doing this I can I need to do it myself and not be doing you know and and I think I don't want to tell you what I'm doing because I don't want to influence what you're doing because we're in we're in such a parallel path here so once we get to the point where it's catalyzed a bit then I think absolutely. Definitely and George I put in the chat a link into my brain to power tools and I have power tools for mavens power tools for connectors powerful tools for decision-making for critical thinking for refugees for scholarly scholarly writing for nonprofits for like politics I have a whole bunch of power tools because I think that the power tools analogy is lovely it's a little bit of a male analogy unfortunately but but I think everybody pretty much can understand it so let's go to Ingrid Julian and Lauren. So guys I'm gonna skip my turn tonight I've had a day and don't have a much to say so I want to just absorb what's happening thank you though. Sounds great thanks Ingrid Julian. So I'm making slow progress with this task of importing the SIGGRAPH digital library into Neo4j I won't say steady progress but it's just slow is a better description recently we've had to deal with the fact that the organization took a devastating hit from 2020 I mean major loss of revenue so the planning committee has had lots of discussions about how to handle that and try and increase the relevance of a professional organization in the state of the world today and then I was going to mention a research project I found quite interesting at the University of Washington which was to do better chroma key switching in zoom sessions so for example you can see that I appear balder on the screen and I actually am thankfully and they have are working on an algorithm to do better detection of this and they said they'll create a filter to eventually get show up better on your zoom session that sounds great when we get to the part about creating this manifest or a handbook that you were talking about and we're looking forward to that so have some ideas cool thanks Julian Lauren Pete Doug. Do you mind if I go last? Not at all Pete Doug thank you good morning all I'm going to go really fast with a bunch of stuff this week or so has been lots of interesting OGM stuff for me kind of OGM infrastructure we had a great steering call on Tuesday and along with a lot of cool content talking about stuff then we ended up having also a steering meeting about you know what OGM is working on what it could be working on how to how to project manage that a little bit better and so one of the things I'll be doing is is kind of morphing an air table that I had into a dashboard of you know what OGM is doing there's a lot of connectivity from the dashboard to the directory stuff that Vincent and I and and Jerry are working on so lots of lots of air tables stuff going on one of the epiphanies I had or one of the observations I had I had this I have this thing this personal thing where I'm a wiki brained person if I'm doing a task I'm a lot more happy if we're all doing it together that doesn't work in a lot of situations it works better almost all the time which makes me super sad but it makes it works better almost all the time if one person works on a document and other people look at it and make little comments and stuff like that so I'm thinking the earlier the earlier revision of this idea was something where I was thinking everybody would just be using it and everybody would be happy now it's like it's going to be a dashboard that I maintain maybe some other people will help me maintain it but mostly it's going to be my view of OGM which will mean that it'll be better maintained at least for a while I had a really cool call yesterday with Tony Marcotis who was energized to help OGM kind of diagram itself or get some diagrams he's a diagrammer activity diagrams and entity diagrams and stuff like that so he and I had a great call where I was telling him you know everything that OGM does I'm going to show you notes that I took they're going to look like a mess but there's a reason for it when when I was doing this I got on zoom for the very first time and so it looks like a mess because just tip to everybody to switch to speaker view if you're in gallery view and you'll be able to see what he's showing yeah it doesn't matter too much you can't see anything anyway there's it looks like a codex from ancient ancient papyrus if I turn off most of the layers you can see what's going on you know on one of those so all the pages are smushed together this was just my way of like drawing and talking and explaining something and I thought it worked really well with Tony so I was super happy to super happy to find out that I could use this on zoom really well and I'm going to kind of try to improve that I'll ask Tony so my notes are really just me me nattering away at Tony while he was taking his notes that he's going to turn into nice flow diagrams um I'm gonna ask Tony if it's okay if I share like a recording a short recording of you know just all the like things going up and and you can kind of get a very very you know you can kind of see two hours and 30 minutes 30 seconds or whatever so um uh anyway more on that as as we continue kind of one of the really interesting things I and I was saying this it was fun talking to somebody it was super super illuminating for me talking to somebody who didn't know a lot about ogm but was interested in hearing about it and explaining what we do how we do it and things like that and one of the things I drew was this pie chart um you see the big thing there is being in community and then another thing is sense making and another thing is meta so what I was saying this is not a literal pie chart of necessarily the proportions but if you can kind of think about that one of the things that ogm does most right now is just this this call being in community so we had a whole talk about so what do you mean being in community does that mean like you know talking about the projects you're all working on and what's going on and I compared it to it's kind of like a church actually um and he said oh I get it it's not the the church where there's a big preachy guy up at the you know in the front and blah blah blah it's one of those things where everybody's singing and happy and talking and stuff like that that's it so um so just talking through that for five minutes with with somebody who hadn't liked the Quakers exactly um and Jerry can tell you more why the why the Quakers um so being excited about that with uh with Tony um was super cool and also then going okay so we only have a hundred percent how do we get you know I think where we ended up at the end of the call was I think ogm wants to change the world and I think it wants to do that with a modicum of sense making and then taking action I think that's what ogm it's about um but to get there we have to trade off this being in community and this is like for I was telling him for some people this is you know the entirety of what ogm means to them it's like this is so generative and so wonderful we come along every week and I get my my 90-minute fix of like calm and serenity and people being wonderful and generative and thoughtful and things like that and that's all they need for ogm you know but to get that the little bit of sense making and lots of action we're gonna have to balance off action and being in community so I thought that was really interesting um let's see I've also got in the free jerry's brain thing we've got a lot going on we're finally getting to the point where we think we can start going a little bit public with some of the work that we've been doing with Jerry's brain information and the graph database another thing that was amazing talking Tony through you know it's like I got a deep dive on telling somebody else what Jerry does with the brain it's like imagine having um 400,000 things that you've written down over the course of 22 years and being able to sense make you know across different topics you know we started off just randomly I started off with um um I forget some kind of some subset of racism and we you know we walked from racism up to pop music and you know all kinds of places and I'm like so I can't really do this very well because I'm not a power user jerry's got a power tool called the brain um and you know kind of like both of us we're out of flash bulbs you know that means Jerry's like super intelligent and he can put together stuff that you know um and and not you know super intelligent in a way that probably literally nobody else can be right you can connect uh Jerry can connect you know a bunch of different things and every time he makes a jump when he makes 10 jumps he's looking at dozen a dozen or two dozen things at a time so I can make you know I can make a research project that says here's how uh you know the insurrection of of this month was is you know kind of historically related to something that happened in the 16th century I could actually do that research in half an hour on the web and write a decent report Jerry could do that in a few minutes and every step of the way that he's making those relationships he's lighting up you know literally 20 or 30 things every every single step and you know if you wanted to he could go down any of those paths very quickly very easily so um uh let's see there's one more so so I got myself distracted with a free Jerry's brain free Jerry's brain is doing some cool stuff we're going to be releasing things in the next several weeks mark checkser and I are working on the same free Jerry's brain technology um uh making x exports extracts of um of his climate web brain which is a huge massive database also um awesome uh he's we started off making what what we called microsites you know here here are you know like 10 different topics or different thoughts from his climate climate web and then he's like okay well if I have one micro site then I could have pretty soony as 10 or 20 and then pretty soon he's got this idea that those things are these fairly massive but well constructed well set up views of you know like like a like a small textbook of chapters about certain things and so he's working on kind of a business version of that and a more um a more academic version of that uh I we're we're kind of talking through how you can make a website and also a ebook or a pdf from the same the same set of documents um so I I I think I know how to do the ebook and the pdf now which is really cool so this would be something where instead of just like 10 10 thoughts in a micro microsite you'd have 10 or 20 chapters each with 10 or you know 20 thoughts um very exciting I'm super excited about last but not least um I'll send an email to the list there's a cool thing going on tomorrow I think uh in the afternoon Pacific afternoon so it's going to be clumsy for European people unfortunately uh it's called I think one world birthday it's wikipedia is having having their birthday I think um and there's a bit of a celebration a bit of a talk so there's a really cool zoom webinar thing that you can join and learn more about wikipedia and then after that they're going to have a an interactive session actually doing wikipedia edits one of the cool things about it which to me was just the format of it um Pete Forsythe and and word Cunningham came up with this idea that they called the park bench format so they could have if they were recapping you know 20 years 20 20 years of wikipedia they could have a panel and kind of go talking head style one by one what they came up with instead is the park bench two people are sitting on the park bench one person is interviewing another so Ward will interview somebody somebody will interview Ward and they'll both go on like that kind of seriously down the line and so it's uh it's a little podcast conversation more than you know just this big panel thing um and that leads into they've been using that format and something they call wiki dojo where you have a pilot and a co-pilot editing a wiki page so the format's kind of blend together nicely I think it's going to be a lot of fun it's kind of geeky but many ogmers are probably into it so I'll send out a I'll send a link to announcements and stuff like that awesome thank you Matt you've been really patient yeah I just want to real quick Pete um and I actually I need to come back to it because I need a password but we've been working in this program for building a program for one of our clients in the in a software package known as rise and rise is a way I don't know if you guys have heard of this at all but um it is um it's a way of building learning modules that you can organize in any way you want and then move around and stuff but so what I did is I basically built every learning module as a sort of a standalone knowledge objects that have a path that you go through and which have labs and lectures and all that kind of stuff but but when I talk to them I can go and grab anything and then run a mini assignment so I can um which is a little bit different than just having the knowledge available it's packaged in a way and you know this is one of those areas I just have to pull up the um I just have to pull up my new password for it um but I want to show you guys it in just a second well thank you uh Mike you want to jump in anytime yeah just uh first an apology I I really wish I could be on these calls every week but every other week I've got three things scheduled at this time but uh lots of exciting stuff going on at the Carnegie Endowment and a couple of personal things as well uh the things that I'd love to share with this group and get some input are first off my junior fellow is working on a project on trusted data and machine learning everything tank in the planet seems to be worried about ethical AI and trying to tell Google and Amazon how to build their tools the real problem is getting the users of artificial intelligence to be smart about what they're buying and to use it in a responsible way I think ethical is such a big term but responsible and accountable that that that actually has action or that you can drive action so our idea is to look at building a framework of of pretty high level questions that people in different disciplines could use when thinking about what they need to do a particular task and we're focusing on military applications weapon systems we're looking at the workforce development of the workforce both training opportunities and hiring decisions and then we're looking at epidemiology and how do we use the big data that comes from everywhere to see where there might be drug interaction problems or new viruses but in each case we want to develop a sense of okay how do you get the right data how do you store the data the right way how do you how do you be responsible in this new world so that's that's one thing we're working on the other thing that Carnegie as a whole is working on is how to be open to new voices the international relations think tank world is very white very male very old and I'm 61 and white and male but the problem is how do you avoid tokenism and how do you really get the best voices that you know are the next generation in some cases are working in places where we don't usually look like the NGOs and so it's a it's a it's a challenge that we just we had a long call just now on this problem and then on the on the personal front I'm dealing with two parents and one future mother-in-law who are both who are all three of them are trying to deal with this new world of COVID at a time when they're going into dementia and losing their long term losing their short-term memory and I I'm beside myself because we have these great technologies that I could use to talk to them face to face but whereas two years ago we could do a Skype call they can't and I'm just I'm kind of I'm a technological optimist who's very frustrated right now and we're we're probably going to have to move them from one part of their retirement community into a memory care unit and it's it's just it's a problem sorry on the positive side I'm planning a zoom wedding for myself and Kathleen we have a week month and a half to do that so anybody offline wants to tell me a great experience they've had we're working with a company called wedley which will do everything from the ceremony itself to the dance party afterwards that sounds wonderful yeah awesome I remember so I so my mom lived to use lift because we don't really like uber but I taught her to use lift for six months or eight months or something like that she used it a couple times to get back and forth and it would give her a little a little bit of independence and I was like yeah yeah yeah this was before she went into assisted living and then there was the day when the app was too confusing for her and then she just couldn't make her way through and she didn't know what she was doing and I was like oh damn we've lost that and and I would have given a lot for a simpler app I didn't think about being her pilot from afar and basically booking it for her and just telling her that you know talking her through the the travel I could have done that but I didn't do that but there's there's huge opportunities to simplify a lot of these things for elders who are beginning to lose words and lose logic and we're not doing it everything is still just a little bit and even just you know an iPad because the moment you've touched the screen and gone somewhere else and lost the app you're screwed so how about freezing the screen so that so that in the app if you touch the screen nothing happens right and just making that so that little little tiny touchable areas do something that would be a great boon because half of elders are losing what they're what this cool thing they're looking at because they touched accidentally and they don't know how to get back to the thing that was that was just there for example I think there's a huge number of things we could do to simplify tech for elders and just add one more piece to that another challenge I'm facing is my father who's always been very politically engaged and watching way too much fox news and he's completely discombobulated now oh wow back to him and he's he's like I just don't have an opinion it's all very confusing and the current events but there's the equivalent maybe there's the one page that every 85 year old could read to provide some structure to their day and it it has to be very carefully written so it would be above reproach and not bias but he just he's hearing so many different he's not he's not schizophrenic but he's hearing so many voices including his own kids so it's a it's a challenge there the other last thing to add is that I'm working on a project on digital sovereignty so I do explain how countries around the world perceive this idea of control of their part of cyberspace whatever that means truly and Scott and Judy with short comments on this I'm sorry so yeah two short comments one is what you bring up is why not have the screen not lock have the screen lock so it doesn't move this is actually a fairly old thing because most flying now is done with iPads and you cannot have a pilot who's you know just a few hundred feet above landing have to fill with an iPad to wake it up and get the thumb in the right place right so this is actually a fairly established technology where it takes somebody crossing from one discipline over to the other yeah and then the other point was that a lot of this is a something that I've been constantly ranting about which is that most design is done from a viewpoint of I've created a technology and you must adapt your life so that my technology can do something for you and it's really got to be the other way around so I agree Scott and Judy very quick observation about what Mike was saying and about Jerry saying simplifying things I realized when I was trying to teach my mom computers that she grew up in a world where a knob did one thing a switch did one thing a screen did one thing it was always static and I saw it first when keyboards electronic keyboards went from a million knobs to one little interface and a buttons that went up and down and all of a sudden this one little window you had to know where you are and you had to keep track of that and that's where I think it jumped and so when you look at every screen that we have now the buttons depend on you know what screen you're on and they can move around and the interaction parts of it are not set and I think that to me was the big moment and how Jerry to your point how do you get back to a setting where things are just locked in how do you make static interface in a sense thanks Judy and then Judy if you want to go ahead and check in okay my comment was more of a question and might be overly naive but one of the dimensions of the multitude of information and discernment process is just the bulk of it and I'm wondering if there's some way that as we develop our materials and reach out if we could sort of give a pro con neutral view of things or left right center or whatever you'd want to call it but just extract and consolidate to simpler messages the core of three different perspectives and then open the opportunity for a person to explore that more deeply in ways that would engage their thinking capacity or discernment at whatever level they're able but at least it would be I think it'd be true to our goal to be balanced and we can if we want we could symbolize with a star or something our preferred consensus but that's that's not taking away from giving the football spectrum of view in terms of check-in I'm really focusing right now on the educational process and reaching out to various agencies that deal with the educational process on how to teach critical thinking at an earlier stage and using different models for trying to do that so I'll keep you posted as things move on thank you Judy um Doug Eric Ken okay I'm going to say a little bit more than I usually do about what I'm working on as some of you know I'm working with a group of economists I'm trying to do new economic thinking and it's very hard because economics has defined itself as a closed system that pushes social concerns anthropology sociology outside the boundaries so normally when you think of trying to change something you look for leverage points within the field that you're in but if the leverage points have been pushed outside you're in trouble in trying to change things as we grapple with this we're coming up against the issue of of power and the relation of power to politics and that's something it's amazing we do not read political theory very much it's very hard to find somebody who reads the political theories let's see I'll give an example of how economics has pushed things out now you're all familiar with the idea of macro and microeconomics it was done explicitly to avoid issues of social class because if you look at the micro it's just people there's no social class there so let's look at the macro gee it's the whole thing there's no room for social class there so it must not be important that kind of thinking is pretty frustrating but very powerful another angle that we've been working on is the implications of quantum mechanics of all things for the way to think about the humanities and the social sciences and basically dealing with the issues of moving from a Newtonian to a probabilistic world and the world where the observer is part of the phenomena that's being observed so that you can't write an economics paper without raising the question of why is that what you think what you try and write about that so that we understand who the writer is and what they're doing now to get to the issue of capital which is central to this economics is set up to limit the social discourse so the capital is safe and basically capital is that some part of society owns the assets of society and the others don't and it's very hard to think of changing things when capital wants to defend the current asset model which means that things can't change so dealing with capital becomes critical to thinking through how society can respond to climate change so i realize you just accidentally turned out your video i think i really you know that's a mouthful but that's what we're coping with i'm super happy you're opening those conversations because econ is such an insular trade that it scares me that we put so much reliance on it because we've there's that there's narratives that run our society and econ is a really important foundational piece of the narratives that are busy screwing up a lot of things and so so broadening that discourse is super important that's great um let's go to eric ken stacey okay um this weekend i finished this call uh for together first uh maybe i can just i wanted to share one thing in the screen i think it's just what the show just a moment so there's uh together first is like building on what the global challenges foundation put out and they um it was it's about creating an alternative governance system or complementary to the un and here's like these two lists the online reference list and the new shape library that's two kind of lists of possible uh un reforms and basically in this call they asked for uh yeah can you build on an existing proposal and i think any of the systems that that ogms working on and um and some other i'm going back to the screen so it's a it's a huge list of proposals um with a lot of different ways of solving the issues of governance within our global system of governance and it breaks my mind to try to articulate articulate what i want to do and then yesterday i had a talk with vince and tarina and i saw what he created and it was already incredible like how like mind between thought once we were talking the first time and i was just explaining what i wanted to do and then he showed me his system and i'm actually like wow it's so similar but he actually created the prototype and i and and i showed you these two lists like any of these two lists could be developed any of these issues it could be like easily prioritized like what kind of reform of the global governance system would work best which organizations could work together to do to make this happen uh all this makes so much more sense if you've got a system like maybe over global mind or what vince is creating and for me it's been really nice to find out about this group and the people that are part of it and it's like it's a it's a mixture of many things because it's also a very long emotional rise for me where i was very very lonely just really alone and when i was like in in the impact hub which is this social innovation community would say yeah they work on similar things but then almost nobody really got what i was talking about and now i find that similar people and i think it gives me a sense like oh wow i'm not alone i can work on this together i can all the balancing that happens in my mind alone can happen with others and i think one of the main questions that i want to answer is how to not get so overwhelmed so often because uh that's like my biggest i want to have a really i want to fulfilling life while i do this and that has been a challenge because it's so complex but i'm hopeful now again that this is possible yeah um thank you so much eric that's that's like fabulous um i'm really i'm i'm just happy that that you know we found you and and you found us and and that this feels right and what you're talking about points to lots of really interesting things one of which comes up to me a lot is there's this very tricky thing about how do we improve the state of the art for humans without reduplicating and reinventing and going in too many different directions and each of us having 12 initiatives and so how do we how do we find neighboring initiatives and figure out whether we can blend and amplify and fix or whether or not we're just sort of different and we're just going to have to to figure out you know different paths to the sea somehow but the but that that notion of joining other people's initiatives and amplifying them somehow is is critical here otherwise we're just all going to dissipate with all these great ideas we're just going to go into the ether in lots of different directions and not get much of anything done so the a piece of the trickiness is even just sort of discovery and overlay or comparison or matching up of of idea frameworks and idea schemes and sometimes the ideas are named very differently and they look really different and sometimes the same ideas manifest in two different ways and one of them catches on because it was designed better or whatever like there's all sorts of things that happen here for simpler examples look back on instant messaging and how the different offerings you know came into the world and which ones won in the end and there's all these different elements that go there but I love that I love the the generativity of the conversation thank you um and I had I have to scroll back up Ken Stacey Klaus hello everybody um you're all interested in doing such interesting things and I've basically just been glued to the media for the last week um it's been horrifying uh and enlightening and just like holy shit you know um what the hell is going on here we came within inches of of having a full on coup I mean if if the Capitol Police been overwhelmed just a little bit more it's very possible we'd have a bunch of dead senators and congressmen laying around the Capitol you know so um and and watching the reactions on both sides has been astonishing to me um so I don't usually spend a lot of time immersed in media I make an effort to to not go there because I know it it has a specific effect on my mood um I'm feeling powerless and outraged and um I don't feel I feel pretty outraged I don't know that I feel powerless about this but um you know because I am seeing things coming along where uh they're now doing a lot of investigation you know for one thing that the the organizers seem to be pretty smart but the participants didn't you know all these people who are like you know make sure you get my face on camera I want you to know that I'm here right okay great FBI's got that and you know hey let's steal an iPad from from a senator's office and go home and turn it on and have the guy bust down our door because there's no way they're tracking that shit right um but the deeper implications of you know who's funding this and who's organizing this and where it's coming from uh a friend of mine happened to be uh he's not a right winner but he's not a a power account and he found a three minute video that was put up literally moments before uh power was taken down and it's a Q and I video and it is chilling to watch it's basically all this footage of Trump over the years of his uh of his big rallies and um I can it's three minutes I can share my screen if you want to see it but it's disturbing to watch so I don't know if you want to see it or not so um is it posted online in any place uh it's just taken down from power I don't know that it's online anywhere so I happen to have it he sent it to me by by messenger can you can you put it in a google drive or something with that and share it on the yeah I can do that I'll put it up on the forum actually somewhere yeah in the forum would be great because right now I think it's probably yeah I don't want to bum people out yeah trigger warning for everybody yeah right trigger big trigger warning it's really chilling although there's a very interesting thing at the end where it shows the uh the globe you know rotating from right to left but darkness falls on california and spreads across to the east which kind of are you are you putting this on a par with films of the nuremberg rallies uh perhaps um yeah I think that it's the same kind of thing you know um there's just this very it's a very chilling thing to watch um because it's it's a radicalization of many millions of people in this country um what really has me stirred up and concerned right now is how many people truly believe that the election was stolen um you know they've been lied to over and over and they refuse to believe evidence they refuse to accept that you know um the the courts which are evidence-based say there's no evidence for the fraud we're throwing this case out and they turn out and say this is this is stealing the election so I don't know what it is they want to take back because the country was founded on a court system that that is based on evidence so I don't know where they want to go with taking things back and um this is an enormous concern for me because uh I live in a pretty liberal place marin county but um I have friends all over the country and and you know there's places and I don't have to go very far I can drive an hour and be in deep red territory in California um and we have to uh we have to live with this we have to find a way to de-radicalize and begin conversations that are going to let people come together to lower the temperature you know um to really inquire well you know what is it that you that you consider to be evidence that you've been lied to for example um so structuring those kinds of conversations is really uh an enormously important thing and I don't know that the next administration has that on their minds I think they're just going to like you know we're putting our program in place and that pendulum swing thing isn't going to work so I'm really concerned about how can we begin to you know think together into all right what would be a a way to do this and I know the there's an organization called braver angels which if you haven't seen does some really interesting work um so I think we need a lot more uh weight behind organizations like that so that's my somewhat disturbed check-in. Thanks Ken and I I totally empathize with you being like sucked into the vortex of news and what's happening um I I went into the same place in the last week through the events of the coup and everything after and I tuned in and happened to watch Trump sort of in his incitement moments I've watched that live and then I watched as people started going up the Capitol steps and I tuned into two different shots uh and then and then all held up was and uh it was really interesting uh and I will remind us that what you just described Ken is really ogeamy territory this is this is like meat and potatoes for the non-vegetarian what's the what's the vegetarian metaphor for meat and potatoes is it like uh okra satan satan and okra you know satan sounds too much like satan so I'm not sure satan should be on the meat and potatoes menu here but anyway tofu vegetable protein the texture oh that sounds so good part of the problem with vegetarianism is textable textured protein tofu tofu and kale meat and potatoes there we go um stacey claus and john so I'm right where ken is except in the past 24 hours I'm kind of focused on what I see is a bright pocket um I'm starting to see more stories of people who have been radicalized that are now talking about what happened to them and I've been trying to magnify those conversations wherever I can and to get just average people on facebook that usually don't talk to each other or usually fight with each other to really hear that because there's something from for each end you know whether you're um whatever side you are there's something to sympathize with in the stories and I remember you know years ago we used to listen to or I remember at least being in school and learning about you know how people are brought into street gangs and radicalized that way and it's that commonality that I hope I hope with more of these stories we can get somewhere and just on a personal note I was floored yesterday to find out that somebody very close to me who I thought was lost for good to trump has now totally changed her mind and is an independent so if that can happen anything can happen yeah that's right um thank you stacey there's a a woman who's on twitter and an author and a bunch of other things her name is Chrissy Stroop um and she's fabulous she's uh an ex-vangelical and she she wrote the book emptying the pews and following her is super super interesting because there's a huge religious angle to what's happened here as well and uh you know whoever's retweeting her and all that there's a whole ecosystem around exploring what is the evangelical side of this uh phenomenon that that that's happening as well but but listening to the testimonies of ex-vangelicals and ex-mormons and and so on and so forth is super fascinating I just want to add though what's really important is finding that middle ground because people are just so extreme in their opinions agreed so I put the list of of people we need we have 20 minutes left in our call we have Klaus, John, Mike, Vincent, Yuri and Lauren Klaus will you take us away yeah I actually have had a pretty good week um I mean a discussion group with a list of NGOs World Coalition, Sunrise Movement, it's hosted by the Sierra Club and we are having really good conversations I mean the conversations are advancing and where we are is that we are merging with the Glimmer 21 project and I put it put the link out there which is a document that the incoming administration is pulling together to have a running start the moment they hit the crowd what you can see on on this document is the amount of damage that the Trump administration has done in in the agricultural sector and I'm pretty sure you can go to any other sector it will be the same so this is sort of a unique scenario where they have taken apart the science capacity of the USDA to really respond in a in a you know strong strong way so what the World Coalition is now doing is to develop statements that bring in the concerns of small farmers community-level food systems social systems so because every bill that is out there like the Coral and Climate Solutions Act for example ignores the social design necessary that has to be part of of a bill coming forth now so we gave first of all into systems thinking because we have like the the water watch and the animal rights and so you have like you know 10 different corks who are all fighting over parts of the elephant you know it's like walking around and everybody has a different part of the elephant but doesn't see the picture so we have we are now working on look we're going to have like one shot you know to really do one or two things that will make a big difference where the leverage points now and the leverage points clearly are in the meat market so they're working now to crystallize the prime act which decentralizes the meat market and delegates the authority over community-level slaughterhouses to the states now that will that will instantly free the markets and create competition between the states and it will relieve the pressure on k4s and the way that all is handled and then the other thing is to open up snap so that snap money can be accepted widely within the catering community where you have millions of people unemployed and then on the other hand you have people lining up on food banks they're getting pieces of food they don't know what to do with so so so that's that's right now this push pull snap I'm sorry snap yeah this is food stamps and they are programs around this so so we're narrowing down and prioritizing the initiatives we decided to postpone the kiss the crowns webinar which would be hosted by the president of the Sierra Club until the end of February because right now there's just too much going on there's too much noise in the media market and then and then position that you know to create a foundation of years after culture this is what it is this is what it should not be here's where we can go forward to waste so it has been has been a good week sounds great class and I love learning some of the texture some of the details about where the points of leverage are in the systems that you care about so the slaughterhouse point came up in omnivores dilemma in the chapter on polyface farms and the way they do farming they have cattle but they can't be as economically useful as they want to be because they're not allowed to slaughter the cattle and there's no slaughterhouse nearby they have to go to one of the big industrial slaughterhouses and that changes the game otherwise they're allowed to slaughter their chickens they do they sell them locally so they're there's like the chickens go from pecking on the cow poop to local local diners like you know boom boom boom same thing can't happen to cattle so I think that's what you're talking about you could have micro farmers raise a couple hunted chicken and have a few pigs that they raise by feeding them all their waste products and the chicken are sort of still scratching their food together um and but then you need to be able to access the market uh and get and sell your product you know and that's where the hang up is because the uh right now the meat markets are USDA controlled and they're verified and that system is just oh I'll start you describing the way things used to be before food turned into a big commercial industry yeah it's going back to the future that's for sure yeah exactly um let's go John I've got the list here John Mike Vincent Yuri Lauren okay uh well several people on the call have made reference to parents relatives friends who are coping with mental or physical decline I've been working at that uh full-time for years uh trying to come up with ways to help people creatively resist their decline and I also had a personal life in the sense of you know I would do that maybe 40 hours a week and then I had the other part of my life and what's happened recently indirectly as a result of COVID more people who know me personally not professionally have run into this situation where their their friends are declining they want advice or help or they change the insurance changed and the insurance company says oh you can go to this doctor but they try to go to that doctor and the doctor says no no we don't accept uh we're this physician group we don't accept that anymore and we don't accept this again so I've found that my my personal life has gotten squeezed and my writing has gotten squeezed because I'm I'm trying to help people who who know me and know that I can be an advocate and uh so I'm trying to get back into balance uh you know I'm closer to getting a few people who haven't been able to get uh reassigned to a doctor get them reassigned and come up with other kinds of things to help the people so I can get get back to writing and I'm hoping and also even contacting people who are not declining who I owe them calls and feedback and you know they've called me and messaged and and I'm like okay I'll get back to you but I've got to deal with this kind of emergency situation um I I'm a little conflicted about mentioning this but I will say that I did write about this I did write about creatively helping someone who's who's in mental decline and it's on my medium page if you want to search under my name John Kelly's very common but if you put the middle initial N in uh you can find a story called Saving Ruby's which is about a client I had who was very tough in resisting her own mental decline and and was was fascinating to work with as a result of that hope to have more news later yeah thank you John so much okay um Mike Vincent Yuri I already checked in I think that's right I think you're right sorry about that uh Vincent Yuri and then Lauren Vincent you're here there you go I'm meeting good okay I want to be very brief I have missed it missed the timing but I came because I remember the call before Christmas was so painful because it was quite clearly that what we need is what I've been designing for all these years and and really the Jerry when you say designed from trust okay that was really a good way of of describing the architecture and it's really designed for trust and uh I've just been very successful with the fission integration that really means that the design phase is really completed so it's ready to let prototypes ready to be built and I'm looking for sponsors so that's where I am can you can you describe fission really briefly because I saw the tweets where you were talking about this but I don't really know much about fission well fission is basically uh it's the same thing that I I describe as trail how they really have this web need vision of web native which means what if the only thing you need is a browser think about it no more servers no backend development cutting down the complexity of making some capability available is the one person single creative can do it you don't need design basically factors out the authentication the storage everything at the whole thing is is designed uh sort of commons base p production that's the model and the very data is common at the same time encrypted so it's revolutionary super interesting it's a game changer and it fits in exactly with what I've been doing so that's why I'm their number one cheerleader because they basically they basically accelerated my work by at least six months because they already done that beat that I don't need right so that's that's all I want to say thank you cool thank you thank you so much um Vincent you want to jump in sure um yeah and just real quick I just wanted to mention I'm the type of person that if something's out on my calendar I'm not there so Scott reminded me about this call thanks Scott and um I was wondering if we have or if not I could volunteer to make a shared Google calendar um if that would be more helpful or I don't know why but for some reason I stopped getting the calendar invites so Hank and I have gone back and forth we had some screw ups with the calendar invites and there was at one point there were duplicate entries and there was a whole bunch of stuff and we've kind of screwed it up so thoroughly that I'm putting a reminder email on the on the ogm mailing list just as a hack and I forgot to do it yesterday so I did this morning just before the call which is done so uh I would love for a more expert person on calendars than I to uh to solve this for us because I totally agree there should be a standing calendar for ogm and as we as we do more calls they should be on the same calendar so that people can know what's up this week what can I join I would I would love to happen I'm it turns out I am incapable of understanding the calendar dynamics myself can we can we think about this problem from the same level that we talked earlier which is how do we not create a piece of technology that other people have to adopt to but create something that allows it to adopt to the platforms and technologies that we we currently use and how do we create almost like interfaces between the various ways we track our time and something that is almost like a centralized api you know base exchange right I think what we're trying to do is just use the current calendaring infrastructure intelligently and I haven't been able to conquer that because clearly I end up with like duplicates and all that so the idea is not to you know invent anything new but to just go back in and do it can I am totally out of date I'm feeling very very antiquated um yeah I when I when I get defeated by calendaring is when I like feeling my age feeling my oats whatever that comes from um Lauren okay I wanted to say remember Pete's announcement about the event tomorrow with the wiki the wiki people yes I'm gonna I'm gonna attend event at 8 30 with Pete and Sherry and then after that at 9 30 um I'll be co-presenting um and for imagining wiki which is kind of like a visualization of data so the advancement from uh you know like uh what happened what what is it like when Jerry's brain is freed what does that look like um uh Julena would be great to have you there I don't know if you're going to be busy that time I think 9 30 CET which is 330 EST can you send me a link so yeah yeah I'll post it on the p9 we'll post it together maybe and uh so on Monday we conceptualize Ray Dalio has this doctor connector Ray Dalio over at Bridgewater and um we were trying to conceptualize something that we think is better that can kind of capture uh data about what's going on in meetings but in a way that's maybe a little kinder than people don't feel like they're being judged so we came up with our first uh very simple tool and Pete helped me with this and um Bentley uh Davis helped me with this so I'm going to post it in the chat and I would love for you to participate it's just a way of you just um select your name and it's just a way to notice what's been happening on the call if you have any appreciation you'd like to give to someone else I'd love for you to follow the link uh try it out it's just a test run um and just to kind of give me feedback on it did I did we miss anybody who'd like to check in no but could you just put the one world link at the bottom again so it's easy to find that would be great Jerry I wouldn't I wouldn't mind if people are interested um just quickly showing quickly showing um what this rise thing looks like please that'd be great you can you should be able to screen share and and the you know the idea here guys is there may be systems that we use to build our knowledge you know the next version of the brain I'm particularly um excited about where obsidian's going um just just as an aside but then um this is rise and I can show you that basically I have this beginning section and these are all the modules that I built into it right um and so you can you can start and you you've got your table of contents on the side but you also have this thing so put some objectives and then you you start to click through it right I've introduced different labs I've introduced things where you can put content that's explorable um in a different way right um and and so you can kind of see what are weak signals um what are different types of weak signals that you have so I'm just kind of moving my knowledge and so attributes of weak signals how do you improve your detection you know so you can you can you can kind of structure the way that somebody goes through the process of discovery and then the interesting thing is if you're having a conversation and I go okay there's a section on systems mapping right which is which is um thinking about systems thinking there's a section on knowledge mapping which is based on you know Jerry Jerry's brain and what is knowledge mapping this is kind of what I'm saying that knowledge mapping has these components which are ultimately based off of um zettle casting but then you can jump to okay in systems mapping I want to get into feedback loops or I want to get into stocks and flows right or I want to talk about the six pit principles of persuasion and persuasion so you can jump anywhere around and it seamlessly jumps from section to section and I think that there's kind of this interesting um you know interesting thing that as we some of us start to think about our thinking tools or um our power tools or those things how do you build power tools into a way that has both a kind of a processed logic if somebody wants to read it front to back but also has internal links right um and I you know I can show you that under in you know there's like improving your sensing capabilities um then there there are things you can do around perceptive listening there's activities that you can do where um like I can you can listen to this thing and and listen to this cello suite and talk about perceptive listening or visual thinking strategies which are really powerful but you can actually apply them to you know different pieces of work so it's really about moving um moving kind of knowledge objects right which we're building in you're building in like places like the brain or obsidian that create knowledge webs and then it's about you know turning those things into learning experiences that allow other people to engage them so this is the pathing stuff Jerry that you're talking about um and you know how do you build it in a way that people that aren't really familiar with this stuff can get into it but then layer on additional complexity and you can put links from one place to another and and really build this you know pretty intricate kind of experience so I'm I'm excited about where where it goes do they pitch it as an LMS or what's the framing around they pitch it they pitch it as a learning experience platform that you can actually integrate with your LMS so in a corporation you might have an LMS you jump into this so it's a it's a learning microsite is what you're building right um and you know whether you break it up into different pieces and then your LMS drops into different learning microsites so this one is particularly on how do you influence change right there may be things which are you know how do you think more critically and you know and then there may be links between you know between things that you use you know something like an obsidian where where you can you can network through something but then when you get to a point where you want to go into a learning experience not just a reading experience that you move into something that um um you know plays that way um the um yeah I can release the URL right now I gotta just talk about it it's a it's I built it for a client so I have to just make sure you know that um I'm stripping about all the client information out of there and we're going to create kind of these generic versions um but George um and you know um and Scott and anybody else I think that there's an opportunity now I have designers and creative thinkers that can start translating content into these types of form factors to make them more readable and you can put anything in there you can put video clips I can put audio clips on each one of these things where we could have you can be talking over it you know these cubes Scott I mean maybe you you know we think about your system and how it works that you turn you know you can turn cubes into digital experience I like so I have coders and stuff that are working on this stuff so this is this is the thing that I'm I'm really excited about right now is that the platform is rise.com rise.com is that rise is rise is the name of it but it's um um yeah let me just yeah if you can just give us the the platform uh URL that'd be that'd be helpful just to figure out what the tool is um and it and I will I will um it's articulate rise.com by articulate um and I will just actually cool thank you copy this and post it here but it's um you know it you know it takes a little bit of um development but you can you can do so much and it's almost like what happened with you know when all of these web web builder programs simple web builder programs came online where you know Squarespace you can build your own website and without a lot of help this is you can build your own learning experiences and um and then just by working with my designer she can do she can do quite amazing things um so happy to happy to start to add to this body of knowledge in and publishable experiences oh I I knew I would get you excited Scott yeah I can't I'm not even gonna say anything because it's all body language for me all right we're we'll we'll get that going in George maybe we find some time too and looks absolutely fabulous and it doesn't hurt that I'm a designer right so I already have that I've got my content this is this is just thank you thank you thank you briefly before going to learn Scott you since you have physical cubes have you explored augmented reality as a way of taking and picking up a cube and saying and having something show up around it or or whatever else um the cubes are the cubes that I purchased are are known as universal uh thinking manipulatives and it's you know it's the basic structure that you're actually touching and all the things that happen when you're doing that and I understand the interest in that but to me any virtual experience I've ever used like that is it it's clunky um yeah Scott well we've what we've what we're doing is we're actually um for some of our programs we're sending everybody in like a kit kind of like picture picture pages so you send them that kit and then you show them the thing ooh what do you what do you got there Julian yeah Julian's got something it's like that thing is connected to the future and the past so this is related to what was just brought up and um I forget this is called a merge cube and the idea is there's you see there's patterns on each face and as you show it to your phone your device right it brings up a different learning experience according but the thing is this is a mobile right so you can move it around that becomes part of the experience so that you're actually viscerally interacting with your virtual experience and all you need is a phone you don't need an AR headset for this one this should be a different experience where they barcode up a cat and you have to hold the cat up at the right angle to the camera to figure out what the next experience is wouldn't that be cool what's that called Julian what's what's that called again merge cat merge cube merge cube um Lauren you wanted to post it yeah I'm looking at it and this thing looks awesome so you're saying you can actually hold an object in virtual space by holding a physical object in real space oh yeah oh jeez this thing is awesome that concept's been around for a while except but the cost has gone from a couple million dollars now to just your phone so yeah it's next one that happens uh lauren jump in sorry did anyone get my link is there like a technical problem which link the link I put I I said something and I posted the link no one responded I did I'm sorry I just responded I responded was the link in where the air table that you I went to the other table saw a form and came back to the conversation lauren okay I mean I was just wondering I got to talk for one minute no one bothered to fill out my form and then someone started talking um and then it was gone so I apologize there was some glitch some glitch come on guys uh lauren I'm sorry I went and saw a form and I'm like I'm hosting hosting a conversation you can't actually fill out a form right now we'll come back to it it's one of the like dozen open tabs from the call and I thought you were done checking in would you like to continue I just wanted you to fill out my form because I was thinking this might be a way to wrap the calls and notice what people are doing say if they're deeply listening to other people on the call so I missed that entirely so you're saying as a form of gratitude at the end of a call to use a form like this and just drop in what went well on the call in the form yes I missed that entirely I apologize um and Ken apparently did fill it out and the rest of us could do that as well what I'm trying to do is get feedback on this form I mean maybe it sucks maybe there's some I just wanted to see if this is the way that we could start um basically doesn't suck the behavior that we want to do a gentler form of the dot collector yes the dot collector the dot the dot collector is really in your face it's like everybody sees everything about everybody it's a very like you know glass glass walled office kind of thing and so I like I like an attempt to soften uh but get you know get try to get similar effects but soften it one did you did you create all the um attributes in there yourself yeah I want to appreciate you for that I think it's a lovely start and um I did fill it out it took me a few minutes because there was so much going on in the call so I finally okay there's too much going on I want to fill this up before the end of the call so I did go in and do an appreciation but it's I think it's really a great beginning thank you what if we made it a weekly version of the Pete Kaminsky award but who is doing the stuff that's most immediately practically useful to everybody that'd be good the award could be a little um 3d printed bust of Pete with the head city yeah there's not a Kaminsky bobblehead but you know you can get those made totally I'm pretty sure we can manufacture this China and get it shipped out or locally printed but it has to be it has to be compostable material can't be enough plastic that goes in the landfill actually it's a seed bomb and if you plant in your backyard if you plant in your backyard Indra's web Indra's net grows from it it's pretty cool and then on the flip side of Kevin's which I think is absolutely great the Pete Kaminsky award for every week there's also the rabbit hole the positive rabbit hole award which is the subject that you end up think you're going to end up spending the rest of the day now looking at because it's just so rich and you're so grateful for it so I'm going to go now as we wrap the call and fill out the form myself Lauren thank you for putting that back in sorry I screwed that up anyone with any closing words for this call because we're over time we're good then let's wrap this one thank you very much truly appreciate your being here bye everybody stay safe until soon yeah stay safe indeed