 Llywydd, yng Nghymru yn ddwylo'r ysgol yng Nghymru, yng Nghymru wedi cael ei bwysig ar y sgol twfynion. Yn ddur y byd, yng nghymru o gynhyrch yn cael rhai cynyddiol yn y maen nhw i'n gwybod y ddau'r cyffredin.. ..yna yw ddau'r cyffredin a'r cyffredin yn y sgol twfynion a'r cyffredin yn gweithio yn dod i'r maen nhw i'r iechyd.. ..yna yng Nghymru 12, sy'n gweithio'r cyffredin y ddau'r cyffredin yn y ddau. roedd ymddemen gael o'r gael wahud o'r ysgolion i'r erbyn yn teulu. Fydd am gyfer o'r darn ffenderfodydau o'r cyfoedd ymgyrch i'r hollegrath, o'r Ffeilio yn iawn yn ymgyrch ar gyfer y Peltau Fodol, ac oedd yn gael o'r cyffredinol o'r cyffredinol yn dechreu iawn y maerynaeth, y llygau Pen, yynlwyr o argy fulfil, ac i unrhyw ymgyrch i'r preffredinolwedd dar� y llygau a bryd i ymgeirionedd. Llyfridd yn ein gael, ac yn Merillan, mae'r eraill yn iechyd yn y Gweithgaf, y bydd yn enwedig gael bod yn fideisio a nesaf, a nesaf, defnyddio stori gael amgylch yn y bwnnig yn y rywbwylliant ar draws flynydd yno. Diolch yn y Gweithliadau mae'nックies yn yr ysgololion, ym 199. Pwyft ar-flawnio yr aelod yn Llyfridd yn y Llyfridd yn unrhyw gw lifted. We have a guest joining us this morning, engineer Dibola Rashid Shraib. It's good to have you join us this morning. He's an environmental consultant in Ligos. Good morning, well? All right then. What are your thoughts, you know, with the flood, flash flood yesterday? And this is actually not the first time. It feels like every other time it rains in Ligos. That's the case. What really is, you know, the cost of this, and what can be the solution? Yeah, the real issue on this is end-discipline on part of the residents of Ligos, because the state government is doing its own bit to, or as done is done by construction drainage channels, also provided canals where the water will be discharged into the lagoon. But when I say the end-discipline on the part of our people, number one, people when any time it rains, they bring out their waste from their houses and dump in the drainage channels, unknowingly to them that is going to block in the front and there will be no passage of the water. So the water will definitely come back to them. Number two, on the issue of the food vendors using disposable plates, after their customers finish eating, they will drop all this in the drainage channels. These are the courses. This is part of end-discipline on our people and totally on the issue of the plastic bottles. I think that we consume over several million of bottled water in Ligos on daily basis. Virtually about four million of those bottles end up in the drainage channels. So what do you want the government to do? The government has been doing its best to sensitise the people. I worked under the Ministry of Environment for nine years and I can seriously tell you here the Ministry of Environment is doing the best they can do. You understand what I'm saying now? So when you talk about the government, the government is you and I. Why don't we complement what the Ministry of Environment is doing? We are not doing that. You are saying the Ministry of Environment is doing the best that it can do. I will tell you this. I worked under the Ministry of Environment for nine years. Can you please tell us and we are not here to attack you. We are here to get your expert opinion. I will suddenly tell you what is the Ministry of Environment in Ligos state doing. Yes. The Ministry of Environment, you know we have the environmental services and we have the drainage services. The environmental services are saddened with the responsibility of bringing out policies and regulations on the environment. Why are the agencies under the Ministry of Environment like Lassepar, Loma, wastewater, water regulatory, Lassepar implement all the policies and regulations. While the drainage services, their job is to ensure that we have good drainage and canals in Ligos. When I talk of canals, canals are receptors of where the drainage is discharged, all the water on the toe and before the lagoon. So they are doing, go everywhere in Ligos. So interesting you have talked about the drainage services, which I think maybe is a key department as far as this is concerned on all the Ligos state Ministry of Works. What exactly has the environment. The Ministry of Environment, all right. What has, which is quite strange because I mean drainage services may be under, I think should be under the Ministry of Works, but hey what do I know? What has the drainage services department, what have they done to make sure that as the rain started the flooding was reduced? Yes that's a very nice question. Before any rainy season starts there must be a proactive measures put in place to ensure that all of our drainage is at the plane, all the canals are being cleared, which I am telling you is what the drainage services department has been doing from the outset. And look at this issue of what you are saying, the flooding, the flooding. When they already cleared all these drainage, in the next minute you see people bringing out their waste. When Lord Man started with the responsibility of cutting away the waste as they are doing his job, people will still bring out their waste and drop in the drainage channels. Do you understand what I am saying? And these people have been arrested on daily basis, but I will strongly tell you this. You see Ligos is where people come on daily basis, right? And the attitude of the discipline of people from other parts of the country coming into Ligos on daily basis, they are used to this attitude of dropping their waste in the public drains where it rains. So they bring that attitude from where they are coming from and they still continue doing it in Ligos. This is where the problem is, certainly look at people building houses. This discipline on the part of builders, they put their sand, yes, I'm with you. No, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, they use their sand granite to block public drainage channels. Where do you want the water to pass? The ministry has done its needs to clear the drainage channels. The primary, the secondary and the tertiary drainage is that's the responsibility of the ministry of environment and the canals. They are doing this before any rain starts, any rainy season starts in this state. They will definitely add the measures and plans or action plan to ensure all these things are being done before any rainy season. They are doing that. I'm telling you because I have been part of them for nine to ten years. Okay, you say what I'm saying now. Well, I'm following your thought pattern right here. I think that your thoughts might just also align with a special advisor, so the governor of Babajireh, Song Walu, on drainage and water resources. Who said that efforts were on to better protect the city and also that the reason for the flash flood is because Lagos is a coastal city and so is actually expected and you have said that the people have not been responsible. You have talked about having buildings, you have talked about buildings being erected on water channels and what have you, but I'd like to ask you. If we say that there's government and governance is the responsibility of government to ensure that life and properties are protected, before a building is being erected, who gives the permit? Who gives an approval for a structure? Is it that I as a person or as a citizen or resident of Lagos can wake up and erect a building anywhere without the approval of government, which you have of course in this sense you're talking about government agency. I mean don't you think that this is an irony, so if we have structures already on water channels, blocking water channels and people acting indiscriminately, don't we also have government on the other side to enforce that these laws are actually respected? Okay, thank you. You know I started by saying indiscriminately, all right? The minister of our fiscal planning gives approval, all right? You have an approval to build three bedrooms for floods, right? And they give you the approval. When you get to the site now, you now start building six to eight flats. Then last part comes in Lagos State fiscal planning approval permit area and Labca Lagos State building control agency, they come in here, right? At the end of the day, when they start demolishing all this, the public is now saying, oh the state government is doing this, the state government on this part will do its best. The state government is doing its best to ensure we have a better city. Okay, engineer, engineer, interesting ones and I want to thank you so much for really giving us as a consultant, you know, though you know Governor Spokes, so you've done so well to tell us indeed what Lagos State government is doing. And I do agree with you how talking from experience, you know, the negative impact that you know building on waterways and, you know, the right of the canals and places where you shouldn't build can have. But in a place like Marina Lagos, you know, yesterday, Marina was really flooded. I do not know if there's any, you know, wrong building on Marina, it's been there for years before now. That's one. Second, secondly, if indeed the government of Lagos State has embarked on what we call a desilting, you know, clearing of drainage, would it take one month, two months, three months for everything to be blocked immediately for everywhere to be flooded? I mean, what's going on? Maybe it's said to be or would the government say, well, we have cleaned it also, you threw anything inside, we can't do anything about it anymore. I mean, back in the days we had the public works department, we had the water department, we had pipe bomb water in Lagos State, which people could use to, you know, to give the government use it to flush the drainages. There's no pipe bomb water in Lagos State as it were. So are you telling me that what we're seeing in the parts of Lagos like Marina, like Lakey where people are building in a more organized setting, that's all this is down to people building wrongly? It could be argued that it could be argued that Lagos State government has failed to develop the city as the city has expanded. You're talking about people coming from outside Lagos State. This is Nigeria, people can move wherever they want to move. Should we continue that narrative of people are coming to spoil Lagos? I'm sure Legosians are also going out to other places as well. The responsibility of the government is to use the taxes that every Nigerian who stays in Lagos State pays. We have donkey taxes that people pay in Lagos State. The state government has not expanded. Look at Lakey Phase 1 for instance. What infrastructure has Lagos State government put in Lakey Phase 1, you know, to develop Lakey Phase 1? I mean it's one road, one road from Morocco, all right, all the way to Ajah, all the way to Awaya. To all those places out of it is one road. What infrastructure has Lagos State government put in place to expand the city to meet with its expanding population? So I don't tell me that people are coming to Lagos State. They are paying taxes. The state is expanding. We all respect you, engineer, and the government has not developed a state to meet up with this expansion. Okay, let me just correct this. Let me correct this. Lagos State government has not failed you. I would say that because all over the 36 states in Nigeria go around the 36 states, you will say that Lagos State government has not failed you. Number one. Number two, let me take example. Look at the population of Lagos. Lagos is the most populous in Nigeria, with over 24 billion people in Lagos, with the increment of 90% population growth every year. You understand what I'm saying now? Three, you are talking of Marina for example now, where Marina is flooded. Look how many people fly Marina on daily basis. Look at it now. So what has the state government done to improve things, looking at the explosion, population explosion in Lagos State, by people who are coming and who are paying taxes? It's not that it's expanding. Look at what's happening now. The Lagos State, no, no, no, hold on a second. I lived in the US for many years and I will tell you the way the US government does this. The way Lagos State is doing is the way the US government is doing is expanding. Look at what's going on. As the Lagos State, okay, so let's look at, we're in Victoria Island. I can go to Leke, for instance. Has the Lagos State government cleared drainages in the last three, four, five months? I can prove to you that they haven't. So you come down to Plus TV Africa. Let's take a walk on all the roads here, all right? And I will show you drainages that are even covered by sign. You can't even trace the gutter anymore, sir. The government has not cleared the drainages. They have not. I can take you to Leke phase one. You know what I'm talking about, the engineer? You have gutters that have been there for three, four, five, government has never come one day to clear those gutters, and these people pay taxes. Humongous taxes. No, no, no, no. Ministry of Environment, the drainage department. I told you I worked with the Minister of Environment for nine years, and I'm telling you strongly here that those nine years are up to you today. There is always a programme, an action plan that all the drainages and the channels on the canals in the state must be. You're talking about nine years ago? I mean. No, it's not nine years ago. Not nine years. I worked there for nine years. And we're telling you that the current reality is that if you move across the city, I mean, if you move in different parts, you would see that the drainage is a very clock. So what could be responsible then for the, you know, the flood that we're experiencing? Because of the indiscipline on the part of our people. So we're saying one and the same thing. We're saying one and the same thing that the drainages have not been cleared. And there should be some enforcement. There should be some enforcement. We are being cleared. I am telling you this. Lakers take government clays. Even the local governments to do the same in the state. They clear the drainages. I was once a local government chairman too, right? We always do this. Well, if it's not the part of our people. I do know that sometimes I must confess that I've seen some streets that are being cleared, the ones that they'll clear and leave this sand. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. And the ones who clear and leave the sand by the road for some days to rainforest and then put it back into the drain. I've seen that. So I know you do that. You do some work. But I'm saying that there are several streets that are not being cleared. I'm being told that plus CV Africa paid for the drains to be cleared. I want to find out from my control room. Who did we pay? Who did we pay to please? Who? To do what? Okay. So what I'm told by, by, by our people is that they saw people clearing the drainages and they asked the company that should pay them money to clear. We don't know if these are government people and we paid about 8,000 nair or so for them to clear. For them to clear the, for them to clear the. Oh, okay. So we paid 67,000 nair for them to clear the drainage in front of our office. How many months ago was that even? How, I mean to contractors, I mean to people to just to clear, to clear it because it's 67,000 nair. This is, this is actually, we need to go now. Yes, we have to go. We have been prompted to go. But I mean to be very honest engineer. But I think, I think engineer, would you be happy if we took a tour? I will send a report around the streets of the. Invite me. Invite me. I will come and take a tour with you. Fantastic. Let me make a clarification here. Let me make a clarification here. It is your responsibility to clear the frontage of your office. It is your responsibility to clear the frontage of your house. It apples over the US too. Do you understand? If your frontage is dirty. While engineer Adebola Rashidge, we have to go. Thank you so much. Thank you. We'll have you back, sir. We'll have you back. Definitely. No, call me and we'll take a tour with you. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you so much. Merci. No, no. So we'll have to let it go here because for once I have actually been on the streets of Lagos and reporting about the drainage and the fact that it's been clogged from different paths for the mainland to the island. And I can tell you exactly what the situation is. As much as we say it's the responsibility of the citizen, but we also have the government on the other hand to ensure that these laws are being enforced. And that's why government exists in different quarters. We can't constantly make all of these excuses and expect a miracle. If we say it's a global phenomenon, really, I think it's man-made and government has failed. That's the much we can take at this point in time. I am Messi Bopu. If you missed out on any part of it, it will be okay to follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and do subscribe to YouTube channel. That's at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. All right. My name is Gullfee Bachelos. Good morning.