 Surviving the apocalypse with special guest Piero San Gio Gio, Gio Gio. I'm not sure how to say that My grandmother would be ashamed of me. I'm part Italian Anyway, this episode has been very exciting obviously focused on the current pandemic that everyone is facing around the world And also we'll also be joined by no revoy before we get it bringing both of these guys on Our special guest today. Like I said is the author of this book co-author Piero he's actually a former speaker from the 21 convention 2019 of Warsaw, Poland where I got to meet him last year This is a hem speaking at the convention and here in the red man group as well with George Bruno I've been thrown Steve the Dean Williams in Poland actually film. That's coming out soon He's also the author of survive bad-ass book. You can get that on Amazon surviving the economic collapse He's also the author of a book. I do not have yet I'll show it to you in a minute CBRN would you co-authored with somebody? I'm not sure the co-author. Oh Chris Millennium and That's on surviving chemical biological radiological nuclear events including the coronavirus is ready a couple years ago But the coronavirus is obviously beyond just the one we're facing now Without further ado, welcome to the show Piero and no revoy How's it going boys? Hello, thank you for having me on Absolutely, man. Thanks coming on good to talk to you again. It's been a little while since we spoke Yep. No, how you guys doing today? What do you guys? Yeah, everybody survived. I don't see any gas masks or zombies at your door. Piero. Are you in France or Switzerland? I mean Switzerland and as a matter of fact just as you were calling I was Putting some extra masks nice In a small package that I will send to some friends who work in ambulance services in in Geneva in town here in Switzerland because I Need actually I don't need that I'm confined in my beautiful farm in the mountains. It's a you know We play outside with the children. I don't I don't need the stuff anymore. So I'm keeping three or four and And then I have some that I reuse when I go to do groceries and the rest I'm sending to people who actually need it. So so see we we you know preppers and survivalists We store stuff we prepare stuff, but when When it's needed we're there to help. Yeah, fuck. Yeah Yeah, I talked a little bit more and we'll talk to know as well No is actually based in Portugal right now in Europe and you're in Switzerland So talk to me about Switzerland first Piero. I'm here in Florida in America So I can give a you know, I can feel what the whole states like I've been driving around the state Actually getting a feel for it. How are things in Switzerland one of the safest places in the world I imagined we are confined not to the extent that Italy is but The government is Encouraging asking people to stay as much as possible home the most of the shops are closed except for medical pharmacies and and You know food food stuffs and and shops for that provide food for animals for the heart for the you know for people who have Animals at home such as crops crop farmers things like that. So so we are in In a quite unique and I think it never happened before situation just as most of Europe now You know as the epidemic progressed and we will maybe discuss later how mismanaged this thing has been well country after one country after another is has shut down and eventually We we need to be you know as able as possible to help each other and and also to keep you know our spouses children and and neighbors in in good relate we need to be in good relationships because One or two months. I think it's going to be more more likely to be two months at least Um, it's a long time and when when you need to be together and we're lucky here I I have a farm in the mountains. I live in in a farm. So so it's um, you know If it's very easy to go stroll in the in the forest and you go you go with the kids in the in the fields And it's really nice. If you live in a in a 50 square meter apartment for people in in the city It's uh, it's much harder and uh, we'll probably talk about that But I predict yeah a lot of divorces and and and sadly I predict a lot of murders Holy shit. Jesus. Probably a lot of babies too, huh? people Not mutually and nothing is mutually exclusive. Yeah, it when you're isolated with someone Your relationship becomes more of what it was. So if it was good, it becomes better If it was bad, it becomes worse. So it makes it more of what it was It puts it to the extremes and you know, my wife and I we spend a lot of time together anyway She works from home part of the time Most of the time that she'd work is from home and I work from home as well So we're always spending time together for us the the all that it's meant is that we don't go out so much You don't take the kids to the park, but otherwise it's pretty much the same word or quarantine here in lisbon as well Or I'm not in lisbon. I'm just outside of lisbon, but uh, it's At the moment it's um, everyone's very positive very happy. It's been the first week. It's kind of a vacation And as things drag in we're going to see what really people are made of And I think it's going to depend a lot on the local culture as well if you have a culture that is Very cut off from their neighbors Or a culture that is very individualistic I think it's going to be more difficult to get through this Then a culture where people are very cooperative with each other and where they know their neighbors And I'm very happy here in portugal that in general People are very calm. They're very very positive very calm. There's a bit of nervousness But there's I'm not seeing aggression. I'm not seeing people Getting upset. There's not been a crime bump. Nothing like that. So so far it's been good But it's also been a very short period of time Yeah, and portugal is a country of about 10 million people. How big is switzerland? How many millions are there? Okay, similar. Yeah, in florida, I think we have over 20 million On our state and things every day. I've noticed I go to the grocery store Usually once a day every other day for now anyway And i'm kind of keeping a vibe or a feel for how the people around me in this community is in where I live And then also where my my family lives up and to visit them the other day And every day that goes by people are a little bit more antsy a little bit more nervous There's more masks. You see the the frequency of does n95 masks and things like that more people are wearing those there's more You can feel people even like if you're near them in line They they get they get tense they get antsy And it's interesting. I've never seen anything like it in my life Um, obviously there's been you know in america We had 9 11 back in the day and there's been other pent epidemics and things that happened, but Yeah, this is pretty amazing It's uh, there's a lot I want to get into with you pair on as well as well You know, I really like what you said by the way No, and I agree with you that this is going to be a stress test I think is a way to encapsulate what you're saying for relationships Marriages boyfriend girlfriend and everything in between as well as you know with your with your children and things like that A lot of people are used to the government of course taking care of their children all day every day so Before we get born in the show pair, can you tell us more about your background? As far as I understand it. Well, first of all, you were introduced to me by jack donovan Um a veteran speaker the 21 convention at this point A good mutual friend. Yep, and as I understand it your europe's top survivalist author and expert. Is that about right? Well, you know my background is actually in software. I was um, you know managing software companies for 20 years across a developing market and um traveled across over 100 countries and and and I really know the world and in 2000 5 I started to feel that there was the economic system Is eventually going to collapse sooner or later and I started to work on you know to deep To dive deep into the survivalist and proper culture and started to apply some of it for for myself with my family and Indeed we both we bought the farm. We we we got into this farm here in the beautiful beautiful mountains in switzerland and and started to grow What what we try to do is self-sufficiency. It's not just storing beans and and and You know and have stores of food. It's about growing A lifestyle that aims to have freedom And freedom through self-sufficiency so that we don't need the state. We don't need Others as much as possible. You will always need your neighbors of course So we build our we integrated ourselves into the local community And so indeed since 2011 I came out with my first book which you mentioned which you have now translated of course in english And um, which has become you know, uh an international best seller I think it's about 11 languages now or something like that, but uh, it's uh It's a it's a book that from english to turkish to romanian to to to italian It has been teaching people the basics on What is the strategy to have because you can find a lot of books on gardening you can find a lot of books on how to shoot You can have books on how you build your solar panels at all, you know Do it yourself you can find all those sorts of things But what you need is a is the first is a strategy So that you don't become the crazy the crazy survivalist guy that the media make fun of you know, they show this Who's a half crazy in the bunker with lots of gun and a bit paranoid? Yeah, which which is not common that doesn't almost doesn't exist Find that one So they caricature the image and on the other hand you have the you know, the old cat lady that that has its home um, you know a little garden with some aromatic herbs But but that's the other extreme. It doesn't bring you the you know the community and the and the Efficiency that you need to be really a free man, which is what we want and free man means free Free people and that means a free nation all of things we are not today We we have none of that anymore and so four years ago was it five years ago The head of the anti-terrorist French police Which has a unit that is one of the world's most respected anti-terrorist units Contacted me and said look, I'm the head guy for the nuclear radiological biological and chemical warfare anti-terrorist group and I read so I think you are weak in one point, which is the nuclear radiological biological and chemical warfare And I'd like to write a book with you And so here it is. Here's the book that you have. I just got the first copy yesterday through mail and and this book tells You know, I'm right on the right page Tells about how you can survive nuclear war And yes, you can survive nuclear war if you do certain steps how you can survive biological problems such as such as the epidemics as well as chemical chemical industrial accidents and things like that and we take examples throughout history, of course and Clearly, you know chemical accidents like the the accident in Bhopal in india in 1984 Is an interesting example, but in the case of epidemics. We are studying in this book through history epidemics from Athens the the plague of Athens in 754 I think and then there was and then more in the middle ages the well-known black death the black plague of the 14th century 1348 and 1339 that wiped out half of the population of India China and Europe and And we we explored a little bit how The people react and how they behave and now of course as we have modern science We understand why they have these epidemics and we not only understand the the dynamics, but also the the causes And so we can plan responses much better and and so this book was was Was was really I'm really is really lucky that it comes out in english right now because people who buy it and read it Can actually prepare for the next one because for this one I think we're all stuck at home and we have to do is what we have But it will give you the right attitudes and some of the tools that you need for the next one because I hear a lot of nonsense in the news We have Self-proclaimed experts or people who are supposed to be experts who say completely idiotic things since january And I've been following this on the social networks since beginning of january and I've been telling to the people First of all don't panic. This is not the kind of crisis you should panic This is not the end of the world. This is not the apocalypse. This is not something that will kill you Most likely it's not Second thing you still have a little bit of time to prepare. We're in january. This thing is gonna hit us in february or march Get the food the supplies You know get everything heavy go to the dentist get your teeth ready get because you don't know how long this is going to last Maybe nothing happened. Maybe it doesn't kill a lot of people Maybe it does in january. We couldn't know, you know, you can't trust chinese numbers You know, this is a government. You don't know what they tell you Yeah, I'm amazed people anyone believes that shit like it's an absolute, you know communist dictatorship Who the fuck would believe any of this crap? No And we don't know if we don't know what they had it's partially but too if you read the art of war They explained in there that the chinese way of dealing with war Is that if things are good you say they're bad and things are bad you say they're good So that your enemy will mis estimate the response they should have So when you're listening to the chinese government, it's the opposite of whatever the official position is that's what's actually happening and I think anyone that understands dealing with with big chinese bureaucracies Is going to that's how they read it when they read the newspaper Yeah, it sounds like talking to women speaking woman is chinese. I guess that's what we call woman is Yeah Piero talk to me about uh survival attitudes I was going through survive the only book and that just kind of popped out of me immediately even before thinking about preparedness What you think about the situation of the governments have handled it how to prepare further things like that Survival attitude that sounds very important for men. Yeah, so often often the media asked me What what's your definition of a survivalist and I say survivalist is um responsible citizen and responsible husband and father That plans what could happen in the future so that it doesn't have to suffer Uh, if something happened, so basically it's being a responsible adult And that's why they don't invite me anymore because this is not a crazy answer They want they look for the crazy answer But the real answer is that we want to be responsible and since the dawn of time responsible men Have provided for the family and one way to provide is to plan ahead What could happen because there is always a war there's always a uh, uh, you know a drought There's always food that is not going to come as planned and so you know You plan for stuff and this is nothing more And uh, but nothing less it's a lot of work and in today's world It sounds very masculine too like leadership and strength and courage and mastery like jack donovan talks about And you know these weak beta males don't do that. Yeah Well, we're all descended from the head for their family and survive The ones who didn't all died. So we're we're descended from the men that were responsible Yeah, except in the last 70 years Where we're basically that pressure have gone because of the nanny state and because of the the great stuff from modern world. I mean we don't We have supermarkets. We have just-in-time supply chains We have all these wonderful things that provide us everything we need that cure us whenever we have the any little illness Until it doesn't work anymore. And now we are testing that Now, let me reassure people watch us again. This is not the apocalypse And when the virus started to hit europe in italy Which is my home country. I'm originally italian and I have lots of people a lot of family there a lot of contacts I started to get the real feel of the data and uh Figure out that what is I think i'll be back in a second guys just hang on Are we still on? uh pier Uh, yeah, you had a connection uh, re-interruption. I think you're fine now You're back. Okay, so There's three problems with such an epidemics. The first one is The the sucker the bastard virus itself. Is it going to kill you? Are you going to get it? Are you going to die from it? When when it was from time when the data was chinese we had no idea and as it started to grow in italy I started to look at the data. I called a few friends who worked there and um I got the numbers and I started to understand what's happening. So this thing is very contagious But it doesn't kill a lot it kills mostly people who are People of immune system are majoritly old people people who have Also problems with the the breathing because these viruses peculiar on attacking your your pulmonary system as most corona viruses do as we explain in the book by the way And uh, eventually people of any age, but who have severe health problems such as severe obesity Who have severe lung problem? So it doesn't kill a lot of people It's probably going to be half a percent to one percent of the population Who is really going to suffer from this? 99 percent of the people Don't have this kind of problem Maybe a little bit less in countries where you have mostly obese people But it's not it's not a lot now in italy you have a lot of old people that's true And this is why they had very high numbers at the beginning And now it's it's we can start to feel it's starting to to to drop and the the the So so that's a very reassuring message that we are not going to die This is not this is not the zombie apocalypse virus from the movie. This is just This is just another virus and it's more than the flu. Yes. So people who said no, it's nothing. No, no, it's more serious But it's not that bad. So we are lucky that this is not that bad What are your thoughts on the virus the virus killing people who Basically the hospitals get overwhelmed and then that that would maybe bump the death rate up to three four percent or something like that Well, that's the second problem The second problem is that as we started because this is the culture of the modern world We try to save everyone and I'm not going to judge whether that is good or bad But as as you start to have, you know, people who are ill And have problems of breathing and go to the hospitals Well, then the hospital treat them, you know in priority because it is an emergency and because That quickly overwhelms the hospital capacity to treat that kind of illness You basically run out of of hospital rooms. You also Uh fatigue and weaken the personnel the hospital doctors the the nurses and so on who become weak because they don't sleep because they work three shifts every day because Unfortunately, that's the profile the psychology profile of these people They are dedicated. They are great people But they work too hard when when they need to do and therefore they weaken themselves And therefore they also get infected and some of them even die Which is which is a which is a complete nonsense because no no doctor's life No nurses life is worse an old guy of 80 years old. I'm sorry to say but uh, you know, people are 80 year old They have had their life, uh, you know too bad But the the doctors they are saving lives every day to tomorrow. They may save my children Tomorrow they may save some some baby who was born with a problem or or You know delivery with problems today All of this may add to the problems of the hospitals and this is why They have decided to try to contain as much as possible the progression by having this confinement Now this is too little too late But you had to do it and this is why our our governments and the health officials across the world Today is not the day is not the time to blame them But when this crisis is over We are we will need to go to see this guy and say a you knew from january that this was serious because I knew it I knew it end of january that this was serious because I had the I had I started to have italian data And you knew it as well. So italy acted fast good for them, but france didn't act us I'm sorry for once I have to say bad things If they didn't act fast enough now granted it's like switzerland It's decentralized. It's not the central government to decide it Switzerland also was late. We were way too late Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of deaths in switzerland, but but the hospitals are overwhelmed This is why I have my friends in the in the ambulance service Calling me crying and say hey you guy you you survivalist guys. Do you have extra mass? So I have few few max, you know, I'm not This 400 a piece on the internet I'm giving them for the for the for the guys who work in ambulances because They need to work not not for the people who have this virus, but for the others as well You know, what happens if you break your leg? What happens if you have a heart attack? What happens if you need absolutely go to the hospital? What if the ambulance people are all ill? Well, uh, and they may they will recover. It's not that bad, but you maybe you have one week with the fever and you cannot work But at least they can they can protect so we have to think forward to that And the third problem, which is something that we're entering right now is that after china one of the world Engines has shut down Now we have europe and the united states. We are which are the Consuming consumers which are shutting down we stay home and we must stay home and We are consuming much less and therefore Who's going to restart the economy when this when these restart? So this is a question mark. I have good confidence That it will be restarted pretty well But it's a very interesting test and it was in january a bit scary because you could predict this So so so I think we cope it. I'm actually quite positive right now But I can tell you february was a month of stress for me because I was starting to look at the economy Inevitably shutting down and we have never done this in a global scale Well, america the stock market too is super super high was higher than it ever been So it's now being reset from that or bumping down Yeah, it's been wild Yeah, historically whenever there's been a massive Viral outbreak or a plague of some sort. It's had for the survivors. There has been some benefits You know land is cheaper when suddenly there's half as many people and we're not going to have that happen But there is usually a recalculation of costs And I think that's going to happen at the end of this virus I thought I've talked to a lot of people in responsible positions and big companies Working with some other projects that I did and a lot of them expressed the concern to me that their businesses have become overly politicized And that uh, they told me unless we have some sort of catastrophe We're not going to be able to realign for efficiency again you know, we're not going to be able to We we have entire departments that are not contributing to the bottom line. They're just here to make political satisfaction I've talked to people in government saying the same thing that they Many of the people that are in positions of power understand what needs to be done But they said if we tried to implement what needs to be done We would never get voted in again and we would go to a far left We just the collapse would happen faster without control and so I think that this coronavirus uh, is going to be used as a A catalyst and a scapegoat to make certain changes to the global economy And to global governments that needed to be made but couldn't politically be made and now now there's a There's an excuse. I mean three weeks ago. We had open borders across the world pretty much this week You know, I'm in Portugal and they're saying no not even the spanish tourists So and nobody's saying That because you closed the borders you're some sort of a horrible person now In fact, if we didn't close the borders, then you'd get criticized It's really things when change happens it happens very quickly And it tends to go completely in the opposite direction of what it was before so we really we're seeing the unexpected become normal Yeah, I wanted to tell this tweet real quick. Sorry about that But I put out a tweet and it was just yesterday. I think it was 2019 Trump is an authoritarian 2020 harder daddy Because in america everybody now is scrambling Trump all of a sudden is president He's my president and you know He's his approval ratings going up and they're like, you know, they want the most draconian measures They can as fast as they can whether or not it's you know, why is it as one? It's it's funny all these people that hate him all of a sudden now he's now he's their president so What what Noah said is absolutely correct and three weeks ago in the uk the main story in the news was that there was this um these young Man girl, I we don't know. He was a non gender specific person Who complained on and it was reported on all news that he couldn't find their hairdresser For for his gender because uh, you know, you have a hair salon for men or for women and he was complaining that there are no hair salons for non Defined gender people Well, that's not news anymore So indeed all this shit about um, you know this crazy Babies, you know anal stage society as some people call it where we have regressed to the Intellectual and emotional level of a three-year-old This is gonna this was wiped out completely and and no one is Is about that and now people are are are are trying to haggle for masks at a hundred dollar apiece and um, which is also silly but um the The craziness of society is is a sign of decadence which is a sign of too much luxury Yeah, and therefore this is a very and and we have it at low cost Believe me, this is not a bad virus because some people, you know, some people go with the theory about I have Sun sunset on my face Some people some people say oh, this is a bioengineered weapon and so on. Well, of course not Come on Do you think they will engineer a weapon that only kills one percent of the people that kills the old people at that? Of course not a bio weapon kills the young kills the army age meet people This is not a bio engineer. It could be uh out of a laboratory by mistake. Yes, perhaps This is not a bio weapon. We explained in the book how you develop bio weapons And what is the history of bio weapons and there is a lot of examples of bio weapons having been invented in the last century I mean, soviet union the united states israel south africa There's a lot of laboratories who have data on what they did and what they were researching and these are major killers But they're they're not very spreading. They're not they don't spread very much because you want to be focused It's like the you know carpet bombing is not so efficient. Whereas the precise munition is Same for viruses. You don't want to use a virus to to the war. You want to use Toxins you want to use anthrax you want to use weaponized anthrax not not this kind of viruses This is not a killer So we are very lucky that we can use this um this kind of virus and this kind of crisis now First of all on a human level. I think noa noa has a lot We discussed this when we met in poland. That was very very interesting That on a human level we we will learn And hopefully in a good way because as you said, you know, if your relationship with the people around you are bad If they will get worse and this is a big problem But we will learn again to know our family To learn to know our neighbors To to know who are our real friends And because this is not about the social network stuff It's about your real physical the friends that are around you Maybe we will we will change the way that oh, I have a friend in california and my best friend in japan and No, they're too far. It's great that you have these friends But the real friends are needed next to you And and maybe you should focus on the people are next to you or maybe you move to people that you feel good with And the same with your job You know the Why do you spend all your time in a job that you don't like which is what happens to most of the people Why do you spend time with your wife that you don't like? And and so on and so on a lot of people will ask all these questions And a lot of wives would say well, why am I spending time with this guy? We know but we knew that already However, however, the on the on the human level This is very important and then of course There will be the changes that noa just mentioned on the international and on the cultural level Which for most of them it's are impossible to predict because indeed they will they are As the black plague completely changed europe This virus will completely change the the the face of global culture in ways We we cannot even imagine right now and it would be super exciting To be part of the people who because we have predicted this before that could perhaps Give the right direction so that we don't Move back into the crazy stuff that we lived in the last five to ten years Yeah Yeah, so some examples of that would be open borders clothes You know becoming closed borders migration, you know slowing way way down But I know even in america, so I'd look now like if you have some more examples But in america now we're seeing the federal government tell everyone to homeschool their children Which is so which is in america This is hysterical the federal, you know the department the federal department of education used to not even exist And they were trying to abolish it in america until the 1990s You know when I was a kid they didn't want it and there's no constitutional provision for it But now they're telling everyone to be homeschool Which is which is probably the best thing anyway for your children out of the government socialist bullshit That you're taught which came I think from I think from europe it actually came from germany or some shit Yeah, it came from prussia we we here we did a soft quarantine for about Two a little more weeks before we did the hard quarantine the soft quarantine was all the bars were closed at nine o'clock So nobody's out drinking until late at night. They're at home We just we discouraged the tourists who are very disruptive to the local culture because they they come in and Make a lot of noise when people want to go to sleep or have their kids and they're That was gone. So women were at home looking after their kids The bars were closed people were eating dinner with their families. It was like the 1950s again And it basically, you know one week to the next everything changed and you mentioned that We talked about how a lot of people are going to say, oh, my my marriage isn't good For those who are thinking like that and saying, oh, I'm already having problems now. It's going to get worse That is a choice. It's still a choice you make You can choose to fix it And there's no better time to do it When and when you're stuck at home and nowadays, hey, we have we have things we couldn't imagine 20 years ago We can have a conversation with three people on three different parts of the globe You know if you need help you can find you can find a marriage therapist who's online You can find a you know or a priest or whatever it is that you happen to to feel trustable That you can trust to give you the advice but now's the time to go out and do that, you know start The the people who invest in the bad times are the ones who get the best return The people ignore the problem and just kind of hunker down and do nothing Actually, they end up with often the worst the worst situation of all Yep Piero talk to me about the collision. I saw this in your book and survive and I was pretty I like this idea a lot. I know has a lot of value and our guys don't I don't think they know about it Talk to me about the collision between a natural disaster like this a pandemic virus virus I'm I agree with you. I don't think it's a bio weapon. So it's it's just part of nature It's some stupid shit happening and then I think you're right too. It's pretty cheap It's going to kill a small percentage of people compared to like the black plague which killed You know half the population of europe So talking about the talking about the collision between a natural disaster like this and the economic man-made disaster that we're seeing I don't know if you see, you know associated with it now the economy is shutting down the stock markets, you know Under fucking crazy volatility unemployment. They're saying could go to 20 in america, which is super super high so we're seeing the collision between nature and You know pretty pretty unstable economic system in the first place everything's built on credit and on debt all this You know stacking of insane And all this banking should we do that's been going on for a while. It's not new and that's probably a bubble is in a pop anyway Yeah, well, you know the economies From 10,000 years ago always have been based on very closed relationships between people who produce stuff food and Whatever they manufacture and the people who eventually consume them and as the complexity grew We and with computers We started to figure out ways to make sure that there is no inventory as little time as possible from production to consumption And therefore we have this concept of just in time that was pioneered by Invented by the americans that really applied in japan and then Expanded all over the world the Toyota model and uh, and this um, this amazing concept is is great for profit It's great for companies especially Area and you know no one thinks about hey, let's uh, is there a problem with having all our medication all the antibiotics built Manufacturing china of course not it's cheaper. Let's do it so that there are more so yes on one hand It's very efficient. It's very uh, it reduces cost that provides more for people But on the other hand, it's quite fragile if you have a different number of catastrophes happening together now we have a obviously pandemic It could have been something else like during the tsunami in japan in 2012 There was suddenly a major drop in manufacturing because a lot of spare parts were manufacturing in japan in that area So this kind of but that was a small catastrophe But now we have a global pandemic with with the whole world shutting down So all these just in time things don't don't don't work anymore Going to discover that members from florida don't by magic get Chicago or to toronto or you know or just from or I don't know Peace peace from kenya or from chile don't get by magic to london and uh and paris in tokyo There is actually a process that is not working efficiently right now Now I I I have context in the shipping world and I know that there's still some shipping being done There is still some commerce and some trade But it's a very small number of people and add to that you know the fact that you have now of course you close borders and and also you have you know workers in the in the fields who are sick potentially and also have to be uh at home or or or to be confined And so who's who's planting the crops for this summer? So fortunately, this is not a major problem, but theoretically major concern for me because I started to ask around for all the farmers in Switzerland say guys, are you ready to plant the crops because You know, if if you don't we starve this summer So so who's doing the job? So I finally got reassurance that the government understood the problem and and called the farmer and said look if you have problems if you have cash issues if you have uh We will get you some money will and indeed they financed massively every little business So that they could actually work the farms and so on But then you have the the other small economy because you know the big companies the whole streets the the the The huge cash knows they have enough enough cash to pay their employees for two or three months without working If needs to be, you know, they just take a hit for a quarter and then it's back to normal Small plumbing company was three employees. Who's gonna pay their employees? They don't have the the cash They don't have the The treasury for that they will go down if they don't get get help And then the people who don't get help how they're going to pay their rent and the people who own the house Who barely can pay the the you know the more the the bank How can if the if people don't pay the mortgage they go down? So there is a um a domino effect that is uh, that is very real Now again, fortunately in this crisis governments understood that because People still believe that money is worth something And the interest rates are at zero. Well, yeah, they can print even more fake money to inject in the business I think in the in the market. I think today we're at a hundred and fifty billion dollars every day That is injected in the market to help the economy and you know, I'm not a socialist I don't like that But I must recognize that you know, this time the cure needs to be that And in the end it's much better than spending it in wars overseas. So after all, why not? Using this crazy money this helicopter money right now in the market But there will be consequences in higher depth And potential inflation in a longer in a longer term, which is going to make our global system even more weak In the future, but at least for this crisis this year. I think we are going to go through it Pretty well And we're lucky And I and as I mentioned before I think there will be some recalculations and There's going to be a change in what governments are willing to accept You know across the the west we've been creating an underclass that's dependent on the government And we that's being done for voting purposes But it may be a weight that the government can't hold anymore if they're not only printing money to pay out They're also getting less taxes coming back in because You know, a lot of people are sick. So they're not working or they're not working because their companies are shut down If tax revenues drop Spending drops so then they also don't get sales tax They may have to recalculate what what does a welfare system in europe mean when there's no money? Who are we going to prioritize are we going to have to send people back that aren't working That we're not born here that still have connections in their country Maybe we do we maybe we have to recalculate things And some of these are calculations that it's better. We make them now with a good political excuse then Um make them in a situation that can cause almost a civil war over it. You know, this is a way that it could be done peacefully Piro talk to me about the uh, I might pull up an article or on it. Uh, talk to me about the yeah, I pulled up here perfect So talk to me about the potential the duration that you see happening for all this like you're pretty confident optimistic I'm glad to hear that Other people disagree and other people agree with you. So there's a lot of obviously the internet There's a lot of division on that stuff But in america even the government is saying it could last up to 18 months in terms of waves of it Like the flu right comes in goes out comes back in What do you think about the duration and how that will affect, uh, for example the economy? You know going freezing going freezing like, you know airlines and shit Yeah, I think that first of all we have to look at this containment, uh, and this sorry this, uh, this, um Being staying at home policy and I think this this is going to last at least two months from the moment it starts And I don't see how it can be shorter because they always say one months, but it's they know it's going to be longer Because first of all if you're in you know, the idea is you want to have enough people that are either Infected and survive which is most of the people or people who are not infected and not in touch with the with the virus Therefore after a while There's not enough people carrying a live Virus that they can infect other people So to do to do this having people staying at home Uh, well, what's going to happen in the first 15 days if anyone who's infected is at home He in fact he or she infects everyone else in that home So that's 15 to 20 days And then you have to wait for these other people who got infected another 15 to 20 days so that they Either survive or die which again most of them will survive no problem So it pushes you to 40 days and you need to at least add another cycle to be really sure that there wasn't the guy Hidden in a closet that didn't you know so that you get another 60 days so that's at least that's two months and And then you probably can get people out And by the way, once again, we're lucky and what's going to happen is that after two months People who realize but hold on a second. No one I no one died No one I know. Yeah grand grand the granddad from my friend. Yes, but after all It wasn't such a bloodbath so Okay, we can restart the economy and if you're yes, the government says this can last 18 months What it's actually saying that they could be People who are infected in other countries which have a delay for whatever reason maybe maybe weather maybe climate And then travel back and re-infect some of the people who are not infected or perhaps There is a second strain or a slightly mutated strain that comes in But once again, first of all, there will be no need for containment at this time And there will be no need for shutting down the economy a second time Because most people will have immune immune system. And if there is a new strain 99 of the time a virus mutates to a less a lesser killer a less virulent System because it just makes sense if it kills more It doesn't spread and and as all living things it wants to spread And the best way to spread is to be not is to be a parasite and not a killer And a virus is a sort of parasite. We we don't really understand what it is in terms of of a life being It's a strange life being it's not really alive, but it is alive. So it's a and um and therefore The second wave is not going to be that bad And so people usually say to these oh, but the second wave of the Spanish flu was was harder than the first The spreading was slower at the time because there were no planes There was not such an international travel and in fact, by the way borders were instituted 150 years ago To stop plagues to stop cholera and plagues like that And the Spanish the Spanish flu, which was a chinese flu was uh, what an exception Because of world war one there were soldiers traveling from one continent to the other and therefore spreading the the disease despite despite the the Despite the the borders which which were not taken care anymore In fact, it was called the Spanish flu because the Spanish were the only ones who mentioned the That flew because everyone else was was under the war censorship Every other country didn't talk about it because it was it was censoring the news. So Today, we're not censoring news or at least not not in the same way We're probably censoring shows like like ours and yours, but they're not censoring this This in fact, they were actually downplaying in January and then now they're overplaying it but um, I think the next phase people will be smarter and say well, hold on a second this is not that dangerous and And now we won't we won't account and accountability on these things because you guys have been too slow The world health organization was the first one to say, oh, yeah, it's it's dangerous, but we can keep flying Yeah, the hell you're gonna pay for that my friends because you shut down the economy people lost their jobs There's going to be economic disasters. I mean not Cataclysmical, but still pretty bad. So bank bankruptcies and stuff. Yeah, yeah There will be bankruptcy then not every government, you know, the the the welfare government of the west Despite their horrible philosophy, they will at least be able to keep the company the economy alive But a lot of company a lot of countries in South America in Africa and all that They will be slaughtered economically speaking And even even hospital wise there's there's going to be trouble but um I think we will grow smarter from this because when you suffer you learn and then when the when the the the week You know the hundred pound leftist guy starts to say that We should perhaps like they're suggesting this in France that it's not fair that people in prison Can get infected. So we should let them go home. I mean these people These leftist people You know, if if I if I say the deep thoughts that I have I think it should go for travel on helicopters But anyway, that's just me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's South American Or that was out in Chile. They were throwing the they're throwing the communists out of the it was Chile, I think They're throwing the the communists out of the helicopter. Yeah, I don't like that kind of stuff But sometimes it's necessary. Well, they have to see that people that are advocating things that end up with millions of people dead You know, if you're advocating open borders And open borders is part of the problem that has caused a plague You've murdered people and you have to take it seriously And I think it's hard to do that in in the theoretical But we're not facing the theoretical now we're facing reality And things are going to change because we're facing reality a lot of my male clients have been saying recently You know, I feel like more of a man during this because I have to think ahead. I have to plan things are serious There's actual danger even if it's very small amount And it's changing how I'm viewing the world. Uh, you know guys who are dating they're saying all of a sudden their girlfriend is Getting in line and saying what do you want us to do? What should we do? What are we going to do next and relying on them and you know gender rules are normalizing and things like that We also all of a sudden the feminists are no longer strong independent women all of a sudden are little girly girls Yeah, yeah, well in kinds of crisis men come out of it very well We do well in crisis because our entire Thing that we do is we take chaos and we turn it back into order again So when the world's going chaotic, there's suddenly a demand for our services Uh, and I I do think that on the second time around not only will the virus be different And therefore probably less lethal, but people are going to start recalculating. What's important A lot of people who've been letting their health go are going to say I don't want to be a victim next time around Man my friend he nearly died from it In the hospital. He was really sick and I'm worse health than you as if I'd gotten it I could have died and people will start making that calculation I think we're going to see an end to the body positive the body positivity movement because you're you're either The proponents are either going to die in hospital or Or their advice will die because it will become unpopular people will say, you know, this this is the potential already It's the underweight and the overweight that are at the highest risk. It's it's smokers. It's people taking drugs You know people say oh, it's harmless do this. It's harmless Well, and people are dying from it now reality is caught up with us and this is This is the plague of 2020. What's the plague of 2021 might not be coronavirus might be something completely different and the people who prepare physically mentally and Like uh economically and prepare themselves are the ones that will come out of anything better off Yeah, that's you know the year you mentioned, you know, it's the plague of 2020 But in addition to that I was researching the hurricane and patterns expectations for 2020 And it's not looking too bad for florida and eastern, you know, united states america But it's supposed to be above average. It's supposed to be actually more storms than usual more severity a little bit So that might happen here in america for florida and these other states And that's going to be on top of all the bullshit happening now, you know, even if the if the you know, coronavirus dies down That's going to smack people in the face But maybe this time they'll be prepared, you know in florida you think all the floridians would have be prepared for hurricanes And they never are I am But i'm one out of 10 people that do that and they they tell you over here they they bitch, you know They're like prepare prepare prepare nobody fucking does it Uh, they have two days they have two days with the food and they're fucked So i must say that you know, I must congratulate you on one thing, you know, you invited me Uh in in poland To tell your audience your your family your tribe To prepare and and a lot of them eventually read my book I'm in touch with some of them as they ask questions and so on Well, these guys are ready. They have been ready for what's happening now And so now I have people calling me desperate saying how can I buy a gun? How can I how can I plant my how what can I do? Do I need to and I say, you know what right now you can't do much It's too late. It's you're in the middle of the storm in the middle of the storm. You don't make a strategy You apply whatever strategy do you have and if you don't well Learn, you know, you it's too late to learn to swim. You need to make that boat go through that store They're gonna learn the hard way But get ready for the next one because no, I was right and and and we're lucky We still have oil. We still have energy cheap. We still have you know Intellect power within people. Okay, a lot of us have been You know, I've been shunned by the media have been caricatized have been censored But they will not be able to do that much longer because people will just say well, you know Fuck we go to alternative media For starts, you know, everyone is on beat you. Everyone is on other platforms And and also, you know, after a while you learn the people who predicted things and I can in the book you have If you look in the there is a chapter which basically talks about the unpredictable things There is a chapter on viruses and of course in in this one 2016 when it came out in in french first There is a chapter on on the corona virus as being one of the possible emerging new illnesses And at the time there was merce cove and these viruses is actually merce cove too But um, so we added a little chapter on it to to be sure to be up to date but um These things we told people how what to do we told people what to prepare But the media say, oh, no, you know, you're it's doom saying, you know It happens all the time. You just you just it just didn't happen for the last 20 for 30 years But it happens all the time. And in fact viruses have happened every year in the last 20 years And we list some of them and there's a lot of them now. Fortunately, most of them didn't reach the Too much They didn't do many deaths across the world, but they had localized Some of them have localized the carnage. I mean ebola in 2015. That's 15,000 dead That's slightly above the right now But uh, obviously it was localized in a few countries And and it's not a virus that spreads easily. It's really it's a heavy. Anyway, we explain why in the book This one spreads easily, but fortunately it doesn't kill much. Who knows in the future We'll have a combination of high spread high mortality Uh, fortunately, we don't have that right now. So it's time to get the time to get prepared is always now Well, and I think that it's good that everyone's kind of experiencing this together You know when I was a kid, um a virus passed through the the area where I was living in Canada And a friend of mine. Uh, it was a couple years younger than me. He ended up in the hospital temporarily paraplegic my brother lost his eyesight and was a Basically a vegetable the rest of his life and my mom went blind which she eventually recovered from but it took for about six months My brother and I got it. We were very sick But we didn't have permanent damage Because we got it like three or four days after my youngest brother got it And so they already knew what to do They knew to give anticonvulsants if you started to convulse and other things But it happened to affect this spinal fluid and so we get into your brain and cause swelling and it, uh paralyzed about two or three dozen young people in the city that I lived in and it was extremely serious because if it wasn't for medical care, every one of those kids would have died and many of the ones who Um didn't end up with any long-term disability Then they would have died as well because uh, they have managed to make an intervention early enough But this is this is a almost a yearly occurrence that we have something happening And it's that you know, you have to prepare Uh, maybe that's why I think about preparing more is because I've I've passed through that experience But I think it's going to change. There'll be before the coronavirus and after it's going to change how people think about things Yeah, seems to be a huge event Yeah on level with like 9 11 in terms of influence and impact things like that at least in psychology and for people in the economy Yeah, piera by the way, so you mentioned, uh, I love you having you speak at the convention I hope to have you speak in the future again Um, obviously I was going to buy you to poland we're doing going to do crack out of poland But I don't know if that's going to happen now in august I'm still kind of waiting on that Yeah, yeah too soon Honestly, by july I will be able to have uh See my family was planning to visit the us in end of july I think it's not gonna happen. By the way, you know, nothing nothing This doesn't this is not genius stuff. But hey, it was mentioned, you know, this is the kind of stuff you need to buy For example, it's not complicated. Of course, you cannot buy it right now But six months ago three months ago two months ago you could So next time you have everything in in this kind of books, but once again What what Noah said is also very interesting because We are lucky today to have international news and and and we okay. We need to find out why this is true What is not true? But at least we have communications and indeed in the past we For example, the last big flu not h1 and one which actually caught I cut Everything even I think I caught this one by the way I was I was really bad for two days and then I destroyed it but uh The one that was in I think is 1969 a million and a half People died from the hong kong flu of 1969 and then there was one in 1958 Which was also a quite a killer like Something like 13 000 dead just in france alone, for example And and spread across the world, but indeed no one knew However, as a guy who prepares for you and your family and your neighbors The strategy needs to be thought nonetheless Because the strategy is what if the what if the hospitals are overwhelmed or closed? Can you treat yourself for most stuff and does this mean that you need to boost your immune system? Yes, doesn't mean you need to check out your new And therefore you go down in the strategy if you need to have a good nutrition means that you need to have healthy seasonal Organic food, so how do you get that? Well, some you grow on your own some you buy to trusted farmers and trusted sellers Etc. Etc. So you you develop your strategy and then you deploy it Across so many fields of your life so many aspects Relationships the food or filtering water having a healthy lifestyle moving your body having friends Sleeping well, etc. Etc. And all of this is yeah, you know, it's a no-brainer kind of but 200 years ago people didn't know that They had some good hunters, but they didn't have the science to back it up And today people they should know But they don't care and this is why these books and you know, these shows and people who have knowledge Uh, you know, I think no one I we both do consulting to people on helping them how to to do a lot of things Relationships a healthy lifestyle. I I do consulting for strategy of survival So basically I help them to go through all the little steps and finding the you know The devil is in the detail the the mistakes that can happen because you didn't plan You know, I have I have clients. They are divorced Now who's gonna who's gonna survive where and who's gonna get the children in such a scenario A lot of messes can can happen because people suddenly lose their mind because they say no I will have the children and they go and kidnap them and so on and then it's not a big crisis And then the police comes to you and say ha ha you kidnapped the kids Ha ha you didn't think it through you didn't think it through because you thought with your emotions and you didn't plan And we men are good at planning. This is this is another advantage of advantages. We are so this is why people say well It's a big book Yeah, because we have to give the historical perspective and we and we have we have deep I have a lot of interviews in this book of specialists in the case of pandemic I interview one of the you know, the top specialists in the in the Area in Geneva We have one of the top hospitals in the world for curing New pandemics emerging emerging illnesses And so I interviewed the guy and it was very interesting because everything he said is exactly what the governments are setting up And they say there is no plan for quarantine. And in fact, there is no quarantine They're actually saying to people please stay home and let's shut the Letters shut the shops But there's no more plan for quarantine and people who read the book. They knew it because we would expect Okay, let's shut down everything like they did in china, but there's no such plans in the west we cannot do these things anymore because Culturally, it's not acceptable. We cannot shut down a city And so when Italy did everyone was shocked and and in Switzerland and like most of the world They actually don't quarantine. They just ask people to stay home to be confined and and all of this wasn't explained So you understand the context because what happened? What happens if you are stuck in your city as I could have In Geneva, but everything I have to survive and have a good life during that time is here in the farm I am right now. This is Not the office. So I don't have the the setting for for such a for such an interview, but the matter I can still do it, but We can if you if you if you're too late to act if you haven't planned it through you get stuck in the small apartment And then it can happen a lot of things now. I am confident that this crisis will be sorted out But there was a scenario where it doesn't and there is a scenario of martial law and there is a scenario of looting and there's a scenario of still unrest so far I've not seen looting or or most a lot of unrest anywhere And it it's good and let's hope it continues But um, but all of this is part of planning and having the right strategy. So this is why you need to It's not just oh, let's let's store food and and a gun and no, no, no, it's much more complex It's not that hard, but it's more complex And a lot of it's up here too. It's in the mindset You know, there are millions of people that showed absolutely zero concern for their health and well-being Are suddenly worried that they're going to get a virus random virus and kill them And I I remember in a previous virus a few years back and people complaining about it on tv And they had a bunch of chronically like massive people Complaining that the government's got to do something. I don't want to die of this virus Meanwhile, they're making choices. They're going to kill them 20 30 years earlier than they could have lived anyway It's uh, you know if if you're not right up here, it doesn't matter what physical preps you have You're not going to make good decisions and you know, you can buy You can follow a plan and you can buy a bunch of stuff But that's not what keeps you alive and now you've mentioned this quite a few times Pierre About the importance of the community, you know, the first thing I did Was I went around and knocked on my neighbor's doors and uh, you know, some of them they like to look out the windows They went and you know wave to them and say hey look If you if you get sick And you because I have some old people if you get sick or if you are afraid to go out You know my phone number because I give them all my phone number long ago Phone me. We'll go to the shopping. We'll bring you the stuff. We'll put it on your door We'll knock on the door and you could you take it away? You know, I went and talked to the other men and I said if things get bad Uh, we got to look out for each other, you know, we got uh, If we have to you know, how will we you know park a car in front of the door to block the doors to the apartment? What we have to do to protect ourselves and then the other guys like yeah, yeah Things get bad and make sense. They they wouldn't have networked on their own there needs to be If you are inclined that way you need to take the lead on it because a lot of men Will follow but they're not willing to leave And so it doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. It's just that's who they are And we we men who are interested in this and interest in our family survival need to take the lead and Stimulate the men around us to think about this Yeah, it's important to remember that most men are some variation of beta or blue pill and things like that in the The ministry talk about they're just not they will follow But they have been conditioned to you know, disown their masculinity and apologize for it for years And now that's coming to have consequences But I do agree through that men will follow when you step up the lead Especially red pill, you know the red men so to speak Yeah, they know you're there if things get bad You'll see the attitude change sometimes they'll be a little like eye rolling for now And then you see if that and I mean I've seen that I've seen this because I started this before telling people this You know someone new moves into my neighborhood or like one of the buildings close to me I'll often knock on the door and say hello and you know, let them know my my phone number and stuff in case there's a problem And uh, you know, I'll mention I I prod them a little bit to see how awake they are if they're the red pill They're not and I'll get some eye rolls and I'm not getting any eye rolls right now I'm a lot of earnest seriousness from people Pierre I wanted to give a special mention as well Um, you know, you you actually had this guy read a forward to your book Demetri Orlov and I actually invited him to speak at the 21 convention back in 2010 I think after reading this book reinventing collapse Which is part of what got me to survival preparation. Anyway back in the late 2000s 2009 2010 So is he a friend of yours Demetri? Do you know him? Yep? I translated his book into French. No shit. Damn It's a great book. I agree So I wrote uh, he wrote forward to to to actually this book. I must let me cook. Yes Yeah, I just I just received it literally yesterday. So yeah, he made he made the forward Right. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Nice. And uh, it's great To bounce on to add on what uh, Noah just said which I couldn't agree more Actually right now as you were calling for the show I was actually starting out some extra medics, uh that I had in in some of the court boards And and so I'm I'm just making so here's uh, he's an antibiotic Boxed and I'm just sorting out whatever thing. I think I have too much of right now And um And I'm and I want to know that I have them at hand because indeed if hospitals are overwhelmed Uh, and if the kid of the neighbor or my kids, uh, of course heard themselves and get an infection or something And if the hospital maybe is overwhelmed and say look, we don't have antibiotics. We don't have any medicine left Whatever I have everything that is needed here. I have stuff for eye infection or for blood infection for a lot of stuff So I just wanted to make a short inventory so that I can indeed go to my neighbors and say oh, by the way If you need if you need medicine, I can get you some I'm not gonna say that I have everything here But uh, but I'm gonna say I know how to get you some don't worry. It's gonna cost you nothing It's part of the you know, don't worry. I I have that for you. I have your back And and and so sometimes people say oh, but survivors people are selfish and all but this makes no sense to be selfish You want to be open with your neighbors because you know, maybe tomorrow I have a problem I don't get fresh eggs and my neighbors has has uh has chicken and he can give me fresh eggs Whatever it doesn't matter. Uh, we we are a community and and this is how humans Evolve is to be part of a group of hundred hundred fifty people the number number and um And a group of men as as john john, you know jack donovan Mention his books is We must be feeling part of a group of men who help each other and who actually push each other to be better and more forward thinking and And better planning because I can tell you the next crisis everyone will have the same inventory of medicine because I want to make sure that everyone gets the idea in the village and in the town so Uh, that's how we improve that's how we get better because we have forgotten all this which was only common sense Well, and the most prep is to prep your community around you Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was keeping up, uh, you know, for example recently a friend of mine Um, he was stuck on up an ammunition, you know, this is weeks ago now He's he's in the military So he was getting ahead of them this and I was surprised that he had less than a thousand rounds of ammo at his house Um, I always keep more than a thousand with me at my home well over a thousand And I don't ever and I hopefully never use any of it I don't ever want to use any of it for home invasion or looting or whatever the fuck's going on But I always want to have a lot because I want to be able to arm my neighbors I don't have enough guns to arm them But I have enough ammo to help out a box here a box there easy And in america, it's legal. It's easy to do this and it's cheap and what I do You know, one of the things I'll I'll be interested here what you guys think about this But I always I've been reading self-help books for a long time since I was 17 years old You know, it's starting 2005 tony robbins, you know should like that as well as you know Many other things to survival to meet your love and all that But it's always the self-help gurus the tony robbins. They say, you know small changes have a big effect So it's these tiny little daily changes you make these little habitat form that build big things And the reason I have so much ammunition is because every time they go to the gun range I'd only I buy a little ammo for there to shoot and then I buy an extra box or two So every time I go I come back home with an extra hundred rounds ammo You go shooting a couple times a year this racks up over the years And it's so that's how I actually have so much ammo. I never I never went out and bought You know 2000 rounds ammo on the internet or at a store I just slowly accumulated over a couple years now and that's why I have so much fucking ammo Of course guys the same way like every week since january. We've bought two weeks of groceries Yeah, nice prepared Yeah, exactly and and in fact I was saying to my audience, you know in January and february and say, okay Get if you, you know, make sure you iron out whatever preparation you need and probably you don't actually need More cans beans because you probably have that already But you know stock on oranges bananas mango stuff that you won't get in the next two months, especially in this season So that and even I did that I I bought crates of crates of oranges and lemons to have vitamin c in the natural form Uh, I went to get mangoes. Okay We've eaten them no more mangoes for for the foreseeable future and some bananas because the kids love that stuff Okay, and now there's no more bananas and mangoes. We're going to move to something else and and now we are eating the You know, we we have books on how to find out what plants are edible in the wild So we are roaming the fields and it's a game. It's a family thing and as part of Of of the you know, at least daily we walk around and and so we say this plant looks like something that if we can eat And we had salads actually yesterday evening. We had salad with some Uh, some of the the plants that grow right now and it was delicious. So and it's a game so We have to have this kind of Uh, enjoying as well the moment This is something that often and I I certainly am guilty of not mentioning this too much in my books But we have to turn these crises into something that We enjoy ourselves as the family and the neighbors We're for example, I went in the basement and I checked out all the all the the can raviolis That are that are way over the due date of the of the can And so they're still edible, of course, and they're not that tasty They're not great But anyway, so I went to the neighbor and said hey guys, let's have a ravioli party because I need to finish that That thing and it's a joke, but it's a funny joke because we We we bring a sense of humor into a situation that can be a bit a bit dark for some people And so we make it fun and we have these horrible raviolis and we we drink a lot with it And therefore we we have a happy happy evening and uh and of the virus Yeah, you know it is often the I'm from canada So my ancestors sometimes had to spend three four months in the winter Frozen in and they're in their uh farm And they've frozen in there and there were there were people who died frozen in in their farm With food around them because they just lost the will to live from being stuck indoors from that long And they they just stopped filling the fireplace with wood and they stopped making food And they just died and they'd be found the next spring And they had a whole series they I remember when I was a kid them telling me, you know We we read the bible every day. We talk we play games with each other. We sing everyone played an instrument They would um the girls would knit The boys had a load of chores to do to look after the animals that were out in the barn And chop and wood and all that kind of stuff and so everyone had something to do they they kept busy they were happy and You know, that's kind of worse in a way than this virus because Uh Ormer you're stuck three four months such such snow that you can't walk to your barn without hooking on to a hook Uh is on a zipline because if you lost the zipline you'd you'd be frozen 10 feet from your house and not see it and you'd die and uh, they told they talked to me about this and They had 16 kids because you know you have a kid every every spring this way You get stuck inside that long. There's nothing else to do but uh, it they had a very tight knit family They loved each other they got along well and we're going to Have to remake our view of the world into one where we're okay with a bit of uncomfortableness I think this is something we talk about the monastery getting uncomfortable being with being uncomfortable Sorry getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. Yeah, it's extremely important. We've gotten we've gotten way too soft In the world today and that softness puts us at great risk And if we can learn to have some fun and laugh in the face of danger You know I I put a little skull behind me here You can see by the corner of my head put a little skull to remind me Um that you know death is somewhere behind you and not to worry about it And our ancestors they had a very different relationship to death than we have it wasn't a big deal to them You know people died they died and it was oh you'd be sad about it for sure But they didn't fear it quite the same the way we fear it they almost joked about it You know they they made they laughed at it. They literally laughed in the face of death And that gave them a kind of power that you know they they got little rickety wooden boats and sailed around the world They did kinds of things, you know that we would we would just never want to take that kind of risk now And they did that and that was their normal life I have a feeling one of the good things that will come out of this Is we're going to be a little bit less afraid of death I agree Yeah More ravioli No, one of the things you mentioned too with the barn They made morey was what the latins used to say remember remember yet your mortal Oh, yes Yeah No, one of the things you mentioned so you guys are talking here about uh, basically Kind of leisure and recreation staying positive. These are mental health things actually that they benefit mental health I know one of the things that you mentioned that came to my nose being in the stuck on those barns frozen parts of the world now, you know, I live in florida So I've been limited sun even now under quarantine or all this bullshit, right? I can go for a walk at this month for a walk this morning I think it's sick. There's nobody coughing on me and shit like that, right? No dogs attacking me in the street But vitamin d and sunshine are huge for fighting depression staying for mental health And it sounds like that's like what happened though. I went depressed and why so depression I think is an issue right now that we a lot of people could be facing But vitamin d and sunshine are huge for that They have major benefits on your meltonin levels sleep cycles vitamin d cholesterol all kinds of stuff including your immune system huge Like I have a baby. I have a baby nephew I'm telling my little my little sister to make sure she takes her Well, enough you out in the sun every day 15 20 minutes every day every day every day directly on the skin It says as I understand it It's the most crucial element to the immune system above even beyond vitamin c and zinc and things like that Dd vitamin d all that stuff And three you just get sun exposure. It's not hard. I live in portugal So we also have like 300 and something days of sun a year And I'll I'll go out to the front of the building put out a blanket put the little babies I got two five month old twins put them out on the blanket and They get 15 20 minutes. I get half an hour 45 minutes My wife and my other son will get whatever until they feel too hot and they'll go back in At the zenith of the sun so when it's at its highest And it makes a big difference, you know, it really does help you and probably why I look a little red Yeah Pierre talk to me about your criticisms of the government responses Particularly between europe and america, which have been a little bit different Like i'm you know, donald trump to close down for example travel to china in january And he was getting screamed that he was racist and stuff And then of course everyone's still bitching endlessly about everything but there are some legitimate criticisms. I believe Yeah, once again, I don't want to be too harsh now because now is not the time to to make accountability but definitely the international instances for health have been so the cdc in the us or the The the the world the world they showed which is not far from which is in geneva where I live most of the most of the most of the week Well, they they've been really slow into assessing the the The the the data and the potential gravity of the situation and they must have had even better data than the Than the public which is basically very fragmentary and once again unsure from china, but I think there has been you know some The images from china where they were piling dead in the streets and having crematoriums working 24 by 7 Got from got the psychosis started Because once again, there was only two strategies One strategy was to do nothing And this illness would have burned through the population People would have felt sick one person, you know, half a percent dead in average perhaps the higher with older people and Yeah, we should have done and then you do triage in the hospital saying well, you know, if you're above 80 We don't treat you too bad And that's it. It would have been gone by june and that's that's done the other the other Would have been shut down the every fucking flight with china actually shut down every border and every flight for a month And then this thing dies in china and that's it These countries are too much of the pussies that the leaders around them basically to do that kind of stuff But so we did a little bit of both And it was a bit too little too late And you know, you didn't want to kill your economy and you didn't want, you know, it's gonna be expensive You know the airlines they need And so now we're gonna we have we have basically the economy in in Emergency and it will need to be shocked into life again through monetary and fiscal policies which are disasters in long term And the politicians Well, no one had the balls to to take either one decision So they did a little bit of of both And it ends up with something that is blown out of what it should have been out of proportions Now I don't want to be too harsh and again because I understand if you're in that position Taking that decision to say I shut down everything or to say I do nothing because We're gonna we're stronger than this thing It takes balls, but obviously no one has that Yeah The the we're kind of lucky that Italy Got it, you know, they're they're two three maybe four weeks ahead of other countries We're lucky they are so that we have some idea of a reliable Model for how the epidemic spreads because we can't rely on what China is telling us and If we didn't have that I have a feeling we would not have seen any quarantines Until we were all at where Italy is right now and then all of a sudden we would have Completely too late We've we've we've gotten lucky a bunch of times, you know not being really that deadly a virus Having a first world reliable country get sick first Like weeks ahead of everybody else You know and I think This is this was the best outcome we could have hoped for given the situation You know if you're a politician and you act too soon you get crucified you act too late you get crucified And so very often the the job is to cover your ass and diffuse responsibility to other people And everyone's doing that I I think that for the next epidemic we're going to We're going to have some changes in that kind of culture I think there's going to be a lot of ass covering because ass covering is going to get you in more trouble Than actually dealing with it in the future Yeah, and even Even even Donald Trump who I think is probably the The less worse guy that we could have hopes in the world to lead the america for sure by by far While in january his reelection was absolutely for sure. He would have been reelected And then in february and until recently I thought no, maybe he's you know, he has played it Ah He played his game there in a really bad way But now i'm starting to think that he's back in the game and he's going to win again nonetheless Because in fact he's showing leadership. He was hesitant. He was a bit Maybe he had the real data and just like like us like me. He thought well, it's not a big deal after all But then you have to act because everyone is acting And he's also a germ freak. I don't know if you know that but for he's been known for decades that he hates fucking germs He hates shaking hands So I was wondering if he's personally just freaked out by it too because he's he hates germs more than anything He in his books he in his books. He writes about this. He's been trying to abolish the handshake in america for decades He's talking he's serious There is another possibility That the crisis was allowed to happen on purpose when it was realized the virus wouldn't kill everybody Yeah, he needed a crisis it's possible Yeah, I mean it's happened. Yeah, that's there's some conspiracy theories, but I agree. There's possibilities too I'm like all the benefits. It's out of homeschooling homeschooling people getting red pilled all the borders are closed Everybody's chairing. You know, he's my president now. Give me the helicopter money like Because we we might we might end the general quarantine here in portugal the quarantine has come in phases We might end it in phases too school. I don't believe school will start up again until september here Yeah, same name here and so you're going to have a pretty long period and how many people are going to say I've had to adapt so much to homeschooling. I've had that wife had to leave her job all this. You might as well just continue Look, the kids are so much happier And so I think it's going to there is a There's a whole bunch of countries where homeschooling was not illegal But it was very frowned upon and made very difficult and all of a sudden they're making it easier Yeah, make it a mandatory basically mandatory. Yeah Yeah Piero, uh, so let's kind of start winding down here. I have a question that I think I uh, a lot of guys would like to know What is the average guy not seeing right now? Like maybe they've failed to prepare and these different things and they don't know what the fuck the media is You know, throwing those bullshit out. Who knows what to believe it's hard But what is the average guy not seeing? Is there a long term short term thing that they're not seeing? Uh besides besides everything we we've talked until now. I think the the average guy is is not aware of how Food gets grown and that the spring is the time that you must Get the crops going for the summer and that everything that we can do to help The farming system to keep going and I'm really talking about the um organic and the farming system next to where you live, of course, I mean Of course the big farms the corn fields in in the midwest they will work But um, but the real healthy food that you have next to where you live, you know Take this as an opportunity to know the farmers to know who they are where they are if they need anything Maybe they have maybe they need some supplies. Maybe they need some masks whatever if you have if you have some to spare because They they are feeding you and they're going to feed you this summer and this fall and next winter So make sure they can work properly and make sure they they get that job done And maybe you can maybe it's time to to make petition to your to your elect elected official to actually say well, look Farming local organic farming is really important How about we stub all these stupid subsidies for corn syrup and and and and father for for feeding animals? Uh and instead instead we help the organic meat growers the good local short distance farming from where you live so that you have a healthy uh seasonal and short distance vegetables and and fruits and and and all the that you need Eggs and poultry that is of high quality high nutritious contents Good for your health and all all this crap now I know it's easier to say than than to do and that as you said people have these bad habits of eating And I've I've been guilting of that. I've lost a lot of weight since last time You saw me in nice, but definitely definitely it is it is part of what we need to do to To be healthy and and you cannot do it just on your own You need to have your community around you To be involved and that includes the farming So I think this is the element that perhaps people don't see in this crisis is that Food that we're going to eat in the in from the summer to the winter is getting planted now The mini got it make sure All right, this has been uh, it's been a great episode man Everybody's watching make sure you the check out pyros books. Uh, his newest one here is just translated into english You can get an amazon while they're still delivering it for now CBRN and it's on amazon And he's got a co-author as well chris millennium. You can check it out here He also uh, not reinventing collapse, but he also has survived Let's see if we could find that Make sure you pick this up And like pierra mentioned as well He did speak at the 21 convention 2019 of warsaw poland And as you guys can imagine I have a rush order on editing that speech and getting it out on 21 university as well as on youtube So you guys can check that out pretty soon His full speech actually is that focused on survival and masculinity and things like that There's a very good fit at the event is very well received and a great speech I'll put it out to you guys soon as I can This is an episode one-on-one of surviving the apocalypse links to his books and his website and channel on the video description I'll put as well for knows No up here. Thanks for coming on the show any last words Stay alive for next week Stay safe Yeah survival right surviving is the ultimate uh life affirming action survive just like the book survive Yeah life the antidote to death so survive Yeah, thanks everybody. See you next week at 11 a.m Guys, I'm in the live broadcast. We could stay on privately. Adios guys