 It's my great pleasure to print Gunnar Wolff who is going to be covering what you need to do to Have Debcon 12 at your location Hey Well So by now you you will most know that the Devco fees are great and fun Event so the thing is each year we have to decide what the what comes next where to go How to do it? How does this work? okay so Well, why do we do this? This is the list of topics we were covering Why do we do devconf? What does a location have to have in order to? Hold a conference or to be candidate it What's the timeline for the decision process what I've been telling to several people today? We're not deciding anything We're just doing a first Set of presentations and we will be deciding well along the following year and If we have them some proposals So well, why do we do this first of all? Because we all love Debian and it's a very serious and professional thing to do to hold a conference Where people work for 20 hours a day and try to get some sleep after playing mouth for the remaining four a well That's that that's the main formal reason for it besides that well, we hold it because It's great fun because well, okay Yeah, we we want to provide a place for Debian developers and Debian related and Debian interested people to work together to get together and To share experiences and to do all those things we cannot do online Which is our well, of course our main a means of? Coordination yep, many people are surprised that Mostly the the first commerce to that come that we're actually not not that productive Most of us during the outcome, but then again, this is what fuels The the work during the the rest of the the year It's a great motivator and a great location to start projects and to start talking towards what we're going to do the next months Then educate people I don't exactly like the wording of this, but but the thing is sharing some ideas sharing some a Prospects of things we want to implement or a or spreading a how are we? Carrying forward our tasks. Yep. So so that more people can can use the new fungal stuff It's always more attractive to see a seat in a demo than to read the documentation Well, as I said a socialization is a very important part I Have a come to see Debian more as a social group with a technical outcome than the opposite which is true for most Software projects. Yep. We're a group with a very strong show social ties Many of us have a come to over five dev comps and that really makes it We all look forward to that time of year so we can well Yeah, work a lot and meet the friends and This helps helps a lot of knitting together the the network throughout the rest of the year And yeah boost the motivation as I said This is a motivator for what goes next then and well a this is a put that lower priority As a result of discussions we have a for a long time. Of course, what is the dev comp meant to be? What's our a? Perspective for for working on this. Yep. It's somewhat less priority, but it's still very important a To boost the local Debian communities I know that that several countries where we have had a web health dev comp This has directly increased the a local involvement in Debian local involvement in free software and even the the success of free software in a As it's seen as something bigger as something more professional a when Say local authorities get to see 300 Individuals from all over the world working for two weeks. Yeah, of course, it's very important to have some fun in real life it's a different kind of a Interaction than what what we usually have and yeah, well This is not a goal, but a by-result which is also very good that Thanks to our sponsors, which are each year very generous and even in the most expensive places like this one Have managed to cover for all of the expenses for all of the people who request free Free food free accommodation even a travel sponsorship. Yep. It's a bit of a payment for our Work as volunteers during the year. Of course, it's not a In money, but it's in species payment and well, it's a nice say extra we can We can give Debian contributors And well, what's even more interesting than that is that so many people? even being a core contributors Decide well, I don't want to cost the project any money. I will be funding myself since we started like being more public about our finances which are always tight with never too bad never to Do to good well? Each year more people have decided to pay for their stays, which is also great Okay, what does a proposed location have to have in order to? be candidates for the comp a Location must have a local team a strong group of Yeah, a group of people say at least some five people who who can commit to work together They do not have to be Debian related They just have to be locals and committed to work towards this as a free software conference. Yeah, but Yeah, manpower is fundamental for this They have to choose a city town spa resort hot by the sea whatever But it doesn't have to be chosen by now But it has to be chosen the the earliest possible so we can well. Yeah, look at something more concrete. Yep saying a Just a country. Well, doesn't the doesn't give us any real insight on how this is conference facilities say if you want to host it at a place where there are large universities with dormitories as here Or do you want to host it at a hotel? Have been done in a several Latin American places. Yeah, it's very important to look at that point food What? What will we be giving people how expensive our meals in this country or place? Do we have a Enough like for considering people with dietary restrictions like vegetarians vegans people with allergies Yeah, that's a very hard point to to get in some places and of course If it's going to be a two-week a two-week meeting We have to have some variety because people don't want to eat Rice with chicken for two days or two for two weeks in a row Network connectivity we need good network coverage as we've seen here even the best Networks like Columbia's have given us problems We have really suffered for at places with bad network connectivity So it's very I mean we cannot work without the network So it's even it's almost meaningless to have a conference where we cannot work We are setting like a minimum connectivity Getting a 10 to 20 megabits a symmetric links. So so yeah We cannot work with say DSL of links or or a Cellular networks. Yep Special depth confirms we we want our spaces to be as exclusive as possible This this has been a bit of a problem here And people who have been at previous conferences know that it's very nice that a depth of you can trust that you can Leave your computer anywhere. You can leave your valuables. I mean there's Very high degree of trust in this community and yeah, it's very desirable. We We are not We do not have to worry about our stuff, of course It's not so necessary as we see here. Nothing has happened Given we are in a large university full of people, but it's a good to have Accommodation has to be as close as possible to the work spaces Yeah to allow for a late night hacking to allow for a Going to the room for something and yeah, it can be I don't know like here a couple of blocks away It's fine, but we should really not look into having a I don't know a hotel and the conference facility 10 blocks away or so which has been has happened, but it has say like disrupted our activities Phone and free time activities. Yeah, because we're not only here for the work We well yesterday we had the day trip and you will acknowledge It's a the social part is very very important and local sponsors We have worked with local sponsors giving us money. That's the most flexible thing but also We have acknowledged a local sponsors as people who can provide either lent equipment or a cheap Services or for free services. Yeah, but we need to get some things local We cannot expect to to bring everything from abroad this time. For example, we had a large A amount of stress for the video team because the microphones were stuck in the customs waiting to be Okay, so we want to have as much infrastructure as possible locally Okay, I would add to this to this having a Be a hosting this at a place where we can buy whatever is needed for not to Not too hard. I mean when we were in Mexico we were in a well in a village Like 30 minutes away from the state capital and there were no computer stores nearby I mean for very simple things. Yes, but if you wanted to get anything a bit more Specialized you have to make a one-hour trip and back Well, yeah when a round trip So that's completely suboptimal. We want to hold it in a place where if I need something now 20 minutes later. I have it Okay, so we want to follow a similar process to what we have done past years. Yep. We have starting today we still have approximately six months for proposals to Show up or to decline say I was just talking with an arcad and they got him mixed into all this The thing is he's he's running for Canada. Yes, even if he doesn't want to Yeah, we have six months for him to confirm or for others to confirm or to say no We don't want to make noise. We are withdrawing the proposal. So but for December 31st We want to have the final list of locations and We will do the decision on April 1st, and it's not going to be a joke decision Yeah, we will trade try to do it earlier, but the final The final deadline is a April 1st. This leaves us with about 14 months to organize, which is clearly enough We have a checklist in the wiki. I don't have the link here But to look for a devconf checklist Where you where you should see a list of points we want to take care of and their Priority, so that's a great document if you want to start putting you together your your proposal We use this method for that comes seven eight ten and eleven. Yeah previous dev coms were like a decided the Person-to-person interactions and devconf nine the Extremadura proposal was so strong that it had no competition so Well If this process has worked very well, even though as always as there are people pushing for what they consider to be best There's always somebody who who ends up a bit Disappointed because they didn't win. Okay, but we're people and they were expected to deal with frustration only one proposal can win and Yeah, we can change the schedule, but we should agree on this soon so as far as I know a Brazil the Brazil team was proposing a with two possible locations a bello horizonte or again Porto legre I'm not mistaken. No Curitiba, yeah Curitiba Central America I have been personally pushing that community To to try to get more involved into devian They are they have a great local team, and I think they can get good facilities, but I am Still a bit uncertain. I can talk a bit about what I've seen I after the other presentations a Canada Canada is presenting Montreal or something else. We shall see So oh, yeah, I just added Canada. So this regard the the inconsistency in my side So well, well we can have a short presentation by each group if you have it if you don't well Just to say hi and I am submitting myself for public humiliation so and well they continue having fun so a Does the Brazilian team have something prepared? Yeah, aren't you hello? Oh So my name is my name is Felipe. I am from Brazil I am leading the the beat for now and Here are some slides the the main idea here is to make it official that Brazil is a candidate I'm gonna show a little bit about the two cities that are the strongest cities and why they are the strongest cities so This is Brazil The two cities are Curitiba and Belo Horizonte, which is Still southern they are they are Belo Horizonte is above the Tropic, but Curitiba. No The main entrance will be Sao Paulo. We will speak about that in a moment. So I just want you to have a good idea of Where are planning to have it? None of the cities are in the beach. So they are a little bit far from it and and This this hopefully gives you a picture and We are going to go green and yellow The main language in the country is Brazilian Portuguese. It is different from Portuguese although Brazilians and Portuguese can understand each other very well For specifically for a computer It is a little bit different more or less in the same sense that Spanish from Spain and Spanish from Latin America differs on some certain terms and and certain Options one of the things is that for Portuguese in Brazil We feel that if Portuguese from Portugal speaks fast we can really follow them We are most often need to see three. So it is The two cities are under this time zone. We will have it in winter. So It is this time zone that will be in effect Our money is real This is more or less what we have in the last years regarding money so This gives you a picture of how much it will cost our Main our main power is 110 we are right now in the middle of a plug mess the government changed to a new Plug standard, which is a standard published by European Union That should be the standard for the European community in a few years We are kind of ahead So it is already standard in Brazil and it is the same plug as the Switzerland one the three yes and and The other but we still have with the main plug our main plug is the US plug so this is still present in a lot of place and only the new buildings and These things will have the new plug and for I think three or four years which covers that come We should also have both plugs in everywhere So about visas, which is a very big point for everybody Europeans don't need a visa. They have 90 days for for traveling around it includes Conference because our conference is not a business conference of classification The Brazilian government applies the reciprocity principle So if your country asks a visa from a Brazilian Brazil who asks a visa from citizen Coming from that country, which for instance applies to Americans as through United States of America It is much easier to apply for visas. It is not it's it tends to be fast 15 days should be enough for most Of the countries that require visa South America's fine Central America most of it Mexico also requires visa from Brazilians. So Brazilian will Brazil will require a visa from them. I am not sure about all of the countries, but for the main Mass of Deben developers. That's that's the main idea The prices for the visas are more or less equivalent under the same principle So if it's like $100 to get a United States visa should be the same if you want to get a Brazilian visa from the United States So now you some of you may be thinking we already have a Deben conf So it's the first time that a country is reapplying after of course France which held true in a row That's true. Porto Alegre was the city. It's very southern The Deben conf 4 and here is one of the things a few things that I want to highlight Deben conf 14 was 11 people nine local only one Deben developer amongst them and Three of those people are already in the Deben comes 12 team. So we want to keep the experience that they had We had 162 attendees from 25 different countries and we had eight sponsors at that time this this companies Four of them were money inside Brazil four of them were international money Deben conf 4 had great things happening that women was born there This is their classical there is no cabal picture and We introduced the concept of the day trip the attendees went to the mountains gramadu It's in the final report from Pablo which lead the beat at that time that it was It was a mixed feeling about the attendees that some didn't like it was too tourist some love it and But it seems to get Along the lines and everybody now likes it. So why should we repeat a country first of all? Brazil is not exactly a small country. We are the 50 largest country in size and in population So it's like 80 million Square kilometers 193 million people So if you look it is Belarus Belarus on she the state of Belarus on she which is Minas Gerais is larger than France Paraná, which is the state of Curitiba is larger than a few countries in Europe and Why not Sao Paulo, which is the largest city in Brazil? Sao Paulo should be comparable to New York City In size, but we don't have the same subway system. It is not as effective Sao Paulo suffering hard time from the traffic. It is much worse than it's in New York City and We don't have a local team so Although we have like 20 them and developers around there and a lot of them in users. They don't like work together it's not being promoted and and That may change now that we became official But we still think that it will be a nightmare for logistic for going and buy something or for Providing infrastructure and it probably may be more expensive here also so Belarus on she's the first city. This is the state of Minas Gerais. This is the city inside of the state And here are some pictures. This is the airport This is one of the largest soccer stadiums in Brazil This is the the city the view of the city Belarus launches the 60 large largest city in Brazil This is the it is about two Three million people if you count the the great area of the city They have subway they have train systems for for transportation These are some Turiski pictures. This is a famous cathedral This is another church there. It is a very strong region Related with religion there are Mineros here, which is who borns in Melhorizonte Marcos here, okay So he can answer questions and explain more because I'm not from the city I just collect some pictures and we are not trying to defend the beats today. So this is the Main this is the Single flower and now there's the symbol monkey This is the federal University on the city. So both cities have federal universities Here comes Curitiba. This is the Panamai state where there's also Some of you know it I pull the largest and power plant but it's across The country it's across the state Curitiba is like here Foss is like here. So it is 700 kilometers There's Curitiba and Here are some pictures from the city. This is the airport. This is this view of the city It is the seventh largest city. So it's right after Right after Belorison chi here are some pictures This is the famous botanical garden. This is the wire frame opera Which is all tubular structure. This is the winter in Curitiba. It is Curitiba is 800 meters above the ocean level. So it Kinds of get colder not as cold as some North countries, but This is one of the last Architecture from Oscar Niemeyer. This is parks Curitiba has a lot of parks This is the federal University. This is the oldest University in Brazil. It is of Erected in 1912. So it's about it will be 100 years if that will be in Brazil and I think the last picture now is our transportation system, which we don't have subways Curitiba has too many rivers under the city now there is technology to do it, but there wasn't 30 years ago. So we use these large buses. They are they have these articulations They have special Streets that they run alone and they run very fast through the city. So transportation It is considered one of the best transportation systems inside Brazil. So this is an old Army Building that is now a theater and it's also an auditorium. So it can help conference. That's why pictures there So both cities are state capitals, which makes it easier for a lot of the points that we have They are the 16 large and 7th largest city Both of them have federal University and that's important because all the federal universities are connected to the largest backbone in the country So connectivity from the universities would be possible and it would be viable for a small amount of price because usually universities are very Kind with free software projects and we wouldn't need to buy it But buy it is also a possibility if you have to if you decide to go to a hotel or something like that Good connectivity both for airports and networks The airports would be another leg inside Brazil. So most of you will arrive Through Sao Paulo and then this is just another leg would be another our Chico de Chiba or to Belo Horizonte and it really doesn't add anything to the price It should be something like $50 in an international trip price. So that shouldn't affect the price Both city has strong local teams experienced ones in it and in organizing events And we kind of supported each other so Brazil will you have a kind of National organization team doesn't matter where what what the see what city wins. We will move We'll go there a few days before we will keep traveling around to make sure things work But both the cities have something like 15 people that is involved with free software Belo Horizonte has more Deben developers than Curitiba But both cities have a strong community around Debian. So that should be a Good initial first step because we have like 15 people to start from and And We have knowledge of that comf. I'm involved with that comf since that comf 6 in Mexico I've been part of the org team since that comf 7. So I'm well aware of the process the steps the dates All the checklist procedures how the beads are evaluated and all that stuff We also have Other Brazilian that are volunteers for video team and other tasks inside so they know Things that are required for video team, which is another big concern About having the a good infrastructure for them. So This is this is one thing that we believe it's very good for Brazil We already held one and we have people that is still involved. So it is it should we should It should be easier for us to cover all the topics and our checklist And in preparation for that we started the process of holding mini debcoms in Brazil So this year we will hold the first mini debcoms in Brazil. This has the main purpose to attract people get people together around the idea that we will try to have that comes 12 and and This is also to try to have more people involved in Debian So we are aiming for November to the first one and next year It will happen probably around fizzly the big event that happened in Porto Alegre's in Porto Alegre. So This is the main This is the main points for Brazil We we are still collecting a lot of data to prepare the page so What we would do is that we decided we will proceed with something similar that the international Debian Conf does we will try to have both CDs fulfill all the checklist then we will held internal meetings to evaluate which one's best and Then and then decided based on that so we will have the best possible bid inside Brazil to held that comf and Another thing that I want to highlight is that it's really really different We really want to to move away from Porto Alegre because we really want you all to see Another part of the country. It's a large country. So as we move north things really change and One question that may arise is why not rainforest or a beach or something like that? The rainforest the biggest kept capital city in the rainforest is Manaus But they even the locals agree that they don't have the network to accept us Networks very expensive and it's very unreliable. So That's that's one of the main problems and the second one is traveling even for Brazilians would be very expensive. So we can't really Have a damn comf there yet, but the other the other cities should be a possibility We will promote that inside Brazil to have more candidates and then we'll try but we believe those cities are the strongest ones So that's it. I don't know if we have time for a question Gunnar if another Okay, yeah Okay, I didn't want you to look at me So I Well, some of us I had the idea of hosting that country all We haven't got anything prepared whatsoever. I just made up a quick list of Ideas and things why we could do that in Montreal. I think a lot of people are enthusiastic about it one of the biggest challenges in Montreal would be to Have a strong local team to organize it. I'm a demian maintainer since little and There are very few demian people in Montreal, but I think we have a strong open source community There is a canonical office in Montreal. So there's a lot of open to people also that could maybe help That is subject to debate But Montreal is a very interesting city in general for the host conferences. It's a world-class world-class city It's the second biggest city in Canada It's bilingual so it's not a problem if you don't speak French you can Talk to us in English and usually peace people respond very well in Montreal outside of Montreal in Quebec It's kind of more complicated But in general in Canada, Canada is a bilingual country at least on paper and when it's not Completely bilingual. It's because it's English So Yeah, Montreal is this kind of mix between an American and European cities what makes it very interesting for people to visit We have silly beach on the river sort of It's a very open city and we have well a lot of technological companies and Infrastructures and Montreal so there is shops and all this usual stuff you get in a big city It's quite inexpensive for the city it is I mean usually people expect Such a city to be more expensive for rents and all this stuff But Montreal is known as being very inexpensive and it's kind of a big small city or small big city So you have all the advantages and advantages of a big city But you have the feeling of a being in a small friendly city So it's very It's very good for that We have good technical expertise I work with an organization and on profit that's called commit.org that uses and develops Debian but also other free software and we have good expertise with networking and we have a strong Wi-Fi community that can provide probably provide Infrastructure at a conference What else is there? Yeah, there are a few Linux user groups php user groups things like that We have a very good transit system in Montreal It's not as developed as New York because well materials get a smarter in terms of population size But it's very clean metro system materials are very also a secure city and friendly city So that you don't get mugged when you get out of your conference with your laptop And we have cheap bicycle rentals from the city so you can get a bicycle for a day And it's like five bucks And there are a lot of festivals during the summer and it's very Very friendly the only problem there is in Canada these days is that they have started changing the rules for visa So it's a bit more complicated for some countries to Get into the country whereas before a lot of people didn't need visas like Mexico and Czech Republic now need required visa What? Okay, but anyways, I It's it's still a much easier in my mind to get to the Canada than the US So it's a big compromise between the two a good compromise. So I'm not sure I will run a full Proposal by December, but I think it's important to have an alternative And another option and if people want to help him while they're we come to come and see me Otherwise, I'll be probably working on this for it to submit a proposal Okay, and Well, I'll talk a little bit about why we are also pushing for Central America None of them were able to come here maybe Big partly because well, they Some of them have been denied the US visa and some of them preferred not to apply because well the Central American community is amazing But it's a very young community. I was in Nicaragua last year for their first Central American free software meetup It was an amazing thing. First of all, it's a very young community Most people are around 20 to 25 But they managed to to do something logistically amazing, which was well to hold a 100 people conference at a well quite decent hotel For for three days at $80 per person all inclusive That's not the location I would choose for us because it's a in a smaller town and it has all the disadvantages We we have suffered in the past but Well, the Nicaraguan people are very Very much willing to hold the adept conf in managua They are putting together a proposal and they are assuring me that in their universities, which do have a dormitories it is They have a good enough infrastructure for us. I will be I mean, I will check that up and of course They will be presenting this. I mean, I I don't mean to to do a presentation for them as I don't Really know the insights of their process and the places they are considering a central america So it's a very cheap place where we can go And have very good facilities. It has a very good I mean, not even the country has been decided, but they have very good tourist facilities Nicaragua is very interesting as it is Well, on one side it's the safest country in the region You may have heard the horror stories of mainly in salvador with the maras Which yes, at least for us who don't don't live there scares us away And they will talking to To him. Well, it seems it's real The horror stories, but well, nicaragua seems to be a very safe place We are also talking with well people in Guatemala costa rica panama also want to hold it But they are acting as a single entity. Yeah, the six countries in central america are in a very interesting integration process So we are talking about one community Regarding the visas they don't require visas for anybody, which is a great thing. I mean Yeah, it's it's not from being a citizen of a Of a country which others don't like so if that's the reason many of them didn't come well They nobody will have that problem going there Well, and it has beautiful places around the three times have been to central america It's always you want to stay more because it's amazing all the richness they have I don't know if you if you want to add something regarding your region Do you want to add something I didn't say regarding the region? Hi, I from El Salvador Yeah, one of our reasons about the the the facility from from central america Guatemala El Salvador and nicaragua and For example, nicaragua is a is a younger team and El Salvador is is a is a little older, but Uh Some Contro is The look the group from central america are not very involved in in deviant. So maybe we can host abel conf and and work together Salvador nicaragua and guatemala, but Maybe we need to be more involved with deviant and And maybe I don't know The security is a Maybe can be a contra but it depends of the city. So Managua is a really Safe play and El Salvador to have other cities can be uh hosted but Maybe we need to more involved in deviant for for try to to host a uh adel conf and and work together or are not A country maybe work together uh center america people Okay, so we still have a couple of minutes. I don't know if any of you has questions regarding the okay, so do So just a quick comment a bit mini comps. Um They're a lot of fun and They're a good way to gain experience to organize a dev comp a full dev comp. So, um There's a few upcoming There's one in India in august for a couple of days in the early august. There's also one in november at fos asia in vietnam Hopefully some of you might be interested in coming to those That's uh, that's right and Is this working? Yeah, okay. And uh, by the way, the central america community held a mini dev comp I Was among the planners, but in the end couldn't attend because of well scheduling problems But if you want to talk about how that was look for anto Yeah from well the the spanish group that Made the dev conf nine. He spent a year in panama And he organized a mini dev conf there Which well, which is helping To get the more involvement from the central americans. But anyway, yep Anything else? Okay, so Again, this is nothing definitive. We can still have more candidacies and Of course any of the current candidacies candidacies can drop and well, I I hope This Leads to a nice debate and we have well, we have a Good bits and that will lead to a very good dev conf 12 So continue enjoying and thank you. Thank you for being here