 If you are blaming other factors on your child's obesity, like their genetics, which that's not the case, or society, no, you ultimately have the influence here. If you yourself are obese and your kids are obese, well, this is what's happening. They're following your lifestyle. And you have the control. And what it's gonna take, and this is what I've told parents many times, is if you're dealing with a child who's got some of these issues, the best way to help solve it is to fix them within yourself. I might hurt your feelings. Again, I know it's hard, but if your kids, you know, battling with this, it's your fault. All right, some truth time. If your kids are fat, it's your fault. Oh! God, guys, back me up all over. Don't run away. I just puckered up. I don't want to get hit for that one. You know what? I'm gonna tell you guys a story about this. You're in a mood today. No, it's true, though. And look, I have empathy, by the way. I know it's truth there. I know I made a statement that sounded very pointed. It's a true statement, and it's gonna hurt people's feelings. It's true, though. But I'll tell you guys a story. I remember once I had a client who hired me to help her lose weight, and I was working with her, and it was like, I don't know, we've been maybe training for a couple months. Nice lady, you know, we're working through food relationship issues, and I'm trying to get her stronger, like the whole deal. And she came in one day with her son, who was eight. I wanna say he was eight years old. And in comes in, she comes in with her boy. Now she was like 60, 70 pounds overweight, and the kid was eight, and he was an overweight little guy, too. And he came in real cute kid, and he had his little 12-piece nuggets, and he's eating, right? So she brings him in. Sal, this is my son, whatever, oh, what's up, buddy? High five, whatever, he sits there, and she goes, all right, Sal, you tell him, explain to him why chicken nuggets are not good for him, and why he shouldn't be eating that. And I looked at her, I said, no. I said, you bought him for him. I know he didn't go to McDonald's to buy these chicken nuggets. I said, I don't need to tell him anything. I said, it doesn't work that way. I said, the reason why he eats his ways is because this is what you buy him. And that was, it was like, and part of the reason was, I could feel the discomfort of the little kid because she put him on the spot to me. So I put it back on her, and it was, and that's just the truth. I have a story like that I'll never forget because it's like, maybe probably the only time that I can recall where I got really angry at a paying client and laid into him. I had this couple, they came in one time, and they hired me to train their son. Their son had to been, I don't know, I'd say around nine years old or so. Cute little kid, man. And he's probably, you know, he's definitely 20 pounds or so overweight for a nine-year-old kid, which is a decent amount of weight for that age because he's not, it doesn't have a big frame yet. And he used to wear these glasses and he had like the spandick chums around his head. And this kid was, he was, he was one of the only kids I actually remember I liked training, as I've told you guys before, I was not a big fan of training kids, but this kid worked so hard. You could tell like, and for whatever reasons, I don't know if they were good reasons why he was, it was ingrained in him to work hard or that was just his personality or what, but this kid would just bust his ass in training sessions with me. And I didn't know this until like our third or fourth session, and we, this was at Santa Teresa, so you remember the Jet Gym parking lot and McDonald's was on the corner. Oh yeah. And his parents would bring him to the gym to his workout with me. And then they would go to McDonald's and sit in the parking lot and eat McDonald's. And then that kid, after he just got done sweating his ass off for an hour with me, and I didn't know this until I walked him to the car one time. So he signed out and he said, oh, my parents in the car, I'm gonna go, I'll walk you out there. And they opened the car and it like fucking smelled like McDonald's french fries, which everybody knows that smell, you know? And reeked of french fries. And I was so angry. I remember the next time that they came in, I had pulled the dad in the office and had this like, I was just like, dude, you guys are coming in here and you want your son to make changes around the way he eats. But then while he's working out, you have the audacity to go to McDonald's and eat it in the car. And then he's gonna smell that when he comes out. Especially right after a workout because it creates a really bad relationship with exercise. It's like you just burn calories, so now you deserve. Yeah, what are you doing? Yeah. Regardless if you let him have some or not, I don't even care like at that point. It's like, what message are you sending him? I wanna be clear too, because look, we all have kids. I have three, I got one on the way. So it's gonna be four. It is hard raising kids. It is hard. And it is hard raising healthy, active kids today in modern times. First of all, getting a kid to be active is you have to structure it now. Not like when we were kids where the only way you could see your friends was to go outside and play. Now you have to punish them almost. It feels that way, right? To get them to do certain things. Diet is a healthy diet. It's very hard for everybody because food is super convenient. People don't cook. It's inexpensive. And kids eat the way their parents do. And so if our obesity goes up, then our children's obesity is gonna go up. Even our pets are becoming obese, by the way. You look at studies and see dogs and cat, obesity rates are going up as well because they follow the lifestyles of their owners. So I understand it's challenging. I understand it's challenging to get your kids to do almost anything that's healthy. But a lot of what our kids do is model our behaviors. So you can tell your kids all you want, but there's nothing as powerful as them watching it. Well, it's the whole do as I say, not as I do kind of a mantra, which I think it's easy for parents to see like a problem like within their kids or like look elsewhere other than themselves in terms of like, oh, wow, this is kind of getting out of control or I need to fix this with my kid versus like really like taking that hard pill and realizing where it's coming from, which is coming from the source where it's modeled to them. That's so interesting to me that someone would think that way. I had a really cool conversation with our friend Mike Slemming came in yesterday. And most he interviewed me and most of the interview was around dad, you know, because he's about to be a father, right? So he was really interested in like my journey of that and that transition. And one of the things we got to eventually in the conversation was my purpose and like in life. And I was like, man, that's such a cool unique question for me because I thought I had purpose or knew what my purpose was before I had a kid and that's completely changed after I had my son. And not only has it changed, but never has it felt so clear and right what that purpose was like before. Like, yeah, I want to do this and I want that. And this is my purpose. And that was like motivating for me to say it, but it's like, no, I feel it in my bones now. What it is is that I'm looking at my legacy, right? And him growing up and I'm at one point going to pass on, you know, whether that's 80, 90, 100 years old, whatever. And I'm never going to be here anymore. And the only bit of me that will live on will live on through him. And my thing that I ask myself every day is the way I am as a partner in business with you guys, the way I am as a father at home, the way I am as a husband with my wife and the way I treat her in front of him. Everything I do, one of the things and I was telling him this that I asked myself now is like, what do I want to pass on to him? Because I am modeling how I take care of myself. And never in my life, and has this happened where I go to work out and part of the motivation to work out is because I want him to see me do that when I don't want to do it. And it's less about the pump or how hard I'm training or what program routine. It's just like, I don't feel like it. I'm tired, I'm lethargic. I haven't trained for two or three days in a row. I need to do it. My son's here right now. It'd be an easy excuse to like, oh, I'll just play with him instead. And I'm like, no, you know what? He needs to see his dad do this. Like, and so I bring him out in the garage and I do these things. So it has given me this like, so this idea that people that have kids that don't think that way is foreign to me. That I don't understand how you can, and I tell you right now, it doesn't mean I'm perfect because I make bad decisions and wrong decisions all the time. But boy, do I feel it like, fuck. I don't want him to see that or feel that or carry that side of me on after I pass on. Nothing will make you grow like that, right? Cause I mean, I do the same thing. It's like, there's behaviors that I have that I never really would look at and care about until I'm like, would I want my kids to do this kind of stuff? And then I'm like, okay, I gotta be the example. It's really hard. And again, I have empathy for parents because both parents working or your single parent, it's hectic, you got more than one kid or you have little ones. And it's like, gosh, everybody, look, I am the furthest from perfect that you could get with a lot of this stuff. So I understand. But if you are blaming other factors on your child's obesity, like their genetics, which that's not the case, or society, no, you ultimately have the influence here. If you yourself are obese and your kids are obese, well, this is what's happening. They're following your lifestyle. And you have the control. And what it's gonna take, and this is what I've told parents many times, is if you're dealing with a child who's got some of these issues, the best way to help solve it is to fix them within yourself. And it's gotta be the whole house. It's gotta be a lifestyle. Like a lot of parents will make the mistake of feeding one kid differently than the rest because maybe the other kids get away with it. They kind of crappy or whatever. And then you get the one kid that's a little overweight. So they're like, no, sorry, Timmy, you can't eat like your brother or you can't eat like I can't. Like, whoa, you wanna talk about creating a situation where this kid's gonna feel like an outcast. So, and by the way, this is coming up because we're getting data now that's showing some very scary stuff. First off, this was scary. I remember when I learned this. When I first got certified as a trainer, type two diabetes was not called type two diabetes. It was called adult onset diabetes. That was the name of it. They changed the name because kids started getting it. So it used to be a form of diabetes you got as an adult through poor lifestyle. Kids started getting it like, we gotta change the name to something else because it's not adult onset anymore. So that happened relatively soon after I became a trainer. Right now, we're seeing for the first time in a long time, I think, in a very long time, life expectancies for this generation coming up is gonna be lower than the current generation. So we've been on this trajectory of living longer. And now it's not only flattened out but it's actually gone backwards a little bit. And then there was an article that you shared, Adam, that today's kids run a mile 90 seconds slower, so a minute and a half slower than their parents did. That's a lot. That's a big difference. Yeah, that's not like, I mean, we know a big deal of that article is like even 30 seconds. I'd be like, what about a minute and a half? By the way, that's average. So what that means is you have the few athletic kids because there's still kids that are athletic. But what's throwing it up of one a minute and a half over on the average is there's a big extreme of kids that can't even run 50 yards. Big time sedentary population now. And if you see some of their movement, even you can tell that even like, if you watch an adult run who hasn't run for 10 years, you can see it in their movement. I used to never be able to see that in kids. When I go to the park, I'll see kids running and I'm like, they never run. These kids never run and they're so young. So this is a big problem and we have to take responsibility as parents. So I don't know, it might hurt your feelings. Again, I know it's hard, but if your kids, you know, battling with this, it's your fault. It's also, you can also say it's your fault if your kid does a good job. You can also say, hey, you know, it's a good job. And look, I know there are cases where you do everything right and they still encounter challenges and problems. I totally understand that. But for the most part, you know, it's on you. It's how you guys live. It's how your household is. It's the foods that you buy. They don't buy them. I mean, I don't even know if I buy that, you know, because I know people say that. And I know there's examples of quote, unquote, good parents that I've seen have kids that end up being shit kids for whatever reasons, but those shit kids turn shit kids for other reasons, whatever it may be. When we're talking about what we're talking about right now with like health and taking care of yourself, I have yet to see somebody who models health in their house, unless they do it the wrong way. Yeah, you're right. Right, so like- Like it's dysfunctional in the other direction. That's right, because you can be dysfunctional in the other place. Way too authoritarian. That's right. It can become very authoritarian. And I'm body image focused. I got into this a little bit with some of my family members when talking about Max and sugar and cookies and candy and things like that. And they're just like, you know, if you do that, he's gonna rebel and he's gonna just go over and binge. And it's like, no, he's not because I'm not saying he's never gonna have a cookie or he's never gonna have candy. I'm just not gonna fucking give it to him right now when the kid can't even ask for it yet. Yeah, when he asked for it. When he doesn't even- You're just showing him your value system of what you prioritize. That's right. You know why? Because he doesn't see his dad eating candy. He doesn't see his dad eating cookies. He doesn't see his dad eating cake. It doesn't exist in his world yet. So I'm not gonna introduce it yet until I have to. And then when I do introduce it, and by that time, he'll be able to have a conversation. And then I can have a really healthy conversation around why dad doesn't eat it all the time and let him know how it makes me feel and understand how these foods can make us feel and still allow him to be able to make that choice. So there is a big difference. And that's another thing with these things, this conversation Sal, is that I find this really difficult for parents that are making, and I do have a lot of empathy for parents that didn't find health and wellness until later in their life and journey. And they already have kids that are seven, eight, nine, ten, ten years old. Oh, that's a hard shift to steer. You gotta turn that shift. Turn it around is very difficult. I have a tremendous amount of empathy for them. Now, if you're a new parent, if you got your kids young and you're already, you care about this, taking care of yourself and you want to set good habits and behavior, you have a huge opportunity, I feel, to really model that behavior and set the trajectory of what their health and fitness is going to look like. It is much more difficult to take, what do you say all the time? Put the toothpaste back in the tube after you've let it out. And I'll tell you, and I've watched it firsthand with my friends that have kids that are just a year or two years older than Max, boy, once you use that candy as a bribery tool or that cookie as a bribery tool or a treat that they get to have right now and then, good luck trying to take it back away. It's especially challenging once they reach teenage ages because as teenagers, their influences become, they become more influenced by their peers than they do by their parents. And you've already built this kind of like culture. So you have a 13-year-old or 14-year-old and you're like, I just lost 60 pounds. I want to change how we eat in the house. You got a kid who's already in the rebellious age anyway and you're like, sorry, we don't buy those foods anymore. Now we're gonna exercise like screw you, mom and dad. I'm not doing any of this stuff or it can make them feel isolated or challenged. Another thing, Doug just put this up there. I think it's a good thing to comment on too. There's a lot of kids growing up in dual households where mom and dad are divorced and they live 15. One parent is healthy, the other one's not. And this is really hard. This can be- Two different messages completely. Yes, it can be really hard. And the best thing you can do, obviously if you have a good relationship with your ex and you can try, ideally what you want to do is trying to make both households as consistent as possible, at least on the things you agree upon. But I mean, reality is oftentimes exes don't have a great relationship in that way. And the best thing you could do is just model it in your household and then they see the other way in the other household. And then hopefully your kids are wise enough as they get older to say, oh, the way dad does it is better. I think it's better. They will and here's why they will. And I've shared this before on the show and I think you guys have all agreed that you're the same way too. And everybody I know that has experienced this and been aware of their own behaviors will agree to this too. When I'm eating healthy, when I'm exercising on a regular basis, I am a better everything. I'm a better dad. I'm a better husband. I'm a better helper around the house. I'm a better business. Totally. And so if you do those things consistently and you model that, teenagers are smart. Again, they don't listen, but they watch and they observe. And if you live in two households and you have one parent that doesn't give a shit, eats whatever, I guarantee it will reflect and there's behaviors or attitudes and some things they do. And if you have a parent who models health and taking care of themself, it will reflect on the other aspects of their life. And those kids are smart by that time. They're smart enough to see the difference between mom and dad and which one of them is taking care of their health and some of that and how that starts. Trust me, they will see that. And there is a clear difference in myself when I'm doing those things and when I'm not doing those things on all aspects, not just the way I look. Yeah, totally. My performance in the gym. Oh, I mean, it's funny, Jessica understands this hack now with me. If she wants me to change something, a behavior, she finds a way to basically communicate to me like, you're an example for the kids and do you want them to be this way? Now she didn't say direct like that? Yeah. Because she's smart. Obviously she's a woman so she's got incredible communications skills but she'll kind of find a way to say that knowing that there's almost nothing that'll motivate me to make a change like that like some of the hardest changes. And I can be like, I'm a naturally impulsive individual. I'm gonna tell you right now if it wasn't for my passion health and fitness, boy, I could go really, I can go in the wrong direction for sure. But yeah, this is a big one. This is a really big one. 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Anyway, I'm gonna change the subject onto something very interesting. I read this article today and I couldn't help but laugh very sad, but also I wanna see what you guys' reaction is. So, an Italian man came back from a five day vacation in Spain. And he's like, oh, I got a sore throat. What's going on here? Goes to the hospital and they do a bunch of tests. You ready for this? He tested positive for coronavirus, HIV and monkeypox all at the same time. Oh, what a trifecta. And he guesses what he was doing when he was out there. A lot of things. He did a lot of shit, bro. All three. That's a wild night. All three at the same time, dude. What was he doing in Spain? Is it almost guaranteed that he's in a gang bang? I mean, is that a thing? I mean, something. Is that a rave? Well, they've already, what is the percentage right now? Well, HIV is sexually transmitted. So, and monkeypox is mostly sexually transmitted. It's like 90 something percent, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And actually there was an article that said it's probably sex that's spreading it. Not close contact, but rather sex. Yeah. So, yeah, dude went for five days in Spain. He had a good time. Apparently he came back with everything. And he's married? I don't know if he's married, bro. Yeah, I was just saying, she's got some questions. But I had people sending it to me because he's an Italian guy. So everyone was like, hey, check this out, like, oh, bro. Italians go hard, dude. Bro. I wonder if they're like, do they cancel each other out? What happens with all those things at the same time? How sick, he just had a sore throat too, by the way. You think it's all worse. That's what made him go into it. Guys, oh, I got a sore throat. Which one do you address first? Yeah, yeah, dude. Yeah, which one is the worst? Messed up, yeah. Well, definitely COVID's probably the best out of those three. Yeah, obviously. Right, yeah, I would say COVID. Although HIV treatments are incredible now. Magic Johnson has to be the healthiest X Pro basketball player I know of. And that guy had HIV for a long time. There's been a lot of advancement there for sure. Speaking of funny things, the video I showed you guys, I want to share this with the audience, they made casts of pro NFL football players' legs. And they made them so you could walk up to them and put your leg in it to show you the size. Cutting half. Yeah, so you could go in, like, kind of stand next to it and see. Dude, they are monsters. Yeah, forget where it's at. Probably in some basketball hall of fame, they do that with NBA players in their hands. And you could put, oh, you know, I had a book, actually, that's where I see it. Oh, I saw that. I had a Michael Jordan book that I had a long time. It was like a big book like this. And you see how big their hands are? Yeah, I had, my hands, okay, and I'm not a small guy and I have good sized hands, not like, okay, so my longest right, so my middle finger, it didn't even go past his palm. That's how big his hands were. Bro, you can slap just across the screen. It reminds you, yeah, like, these anomalies, like, it's not normal. Like, I mean, when you get to that level, I was, like, playing at the college level and then you just started to see the guys that were at the college level and you're like, holy shit, dude, I'm done. Like, I'm over. You know, like, these guys are way bigger, way faster, way stronger, and it's like, you go to the pro level, now that's the 1% of just that population of guys playing the game. Hey, how hard was that for you? Because I know how competitive you are and how hard of a worker you are. At what point? It really pissed me off. Like, I didn't have, I mean, I had natural athleticism in terms of like, I could move well, I could pick up. If you modeled something to me, I could probably do that movement. And I was pretty good at it, but I wasn't like naturally gifted with speed, naturally gifted with like this unrealistic strength or anything where I was just like super dominating, but I had to work on just like everyday training for speed, training for strength, training. Like the one advantage I had was I could break down film and I was smart enough to know like what I would recognize and I would see it and then I would react so I'd get there before most of the other guys could get me. So it was like, you know, in terms of game smarts, like that's all I had. But then once you're at a level where everybody's got the game smarts and then they got the genetics and they got, you know, all these other traits that are like, I just was like, I'm done. Do you remember the first time that hit you? I was just gonna say, off air, you and I have talked about this because we both experienced this in sports. I don't remember when you told me what age you were when you, when that first, when that first humbling, how old were you when that first happened, when you were humbled like that, like, oh. It was probably when I was 20. Yeah, cause I mean, I just happened earlier for me. Yeah, I was, well, because I still, again, I was. Well, in high school you were a best. I was out to get the world. Yeah, I thought exactly. Cause I was, we were really successful and we kind of dominated a lot of teams at the high school level. And it was pretty easy because it, I don't know. We played like two teams that were matched and then one of them was better than us. And so it gave me this unrealistic perspective. I was like, ah, yeah, I'm fucking awesome at this, you know? And then I get into the college level and it was like, I was like, whoa, not only was it more difficult, I was still like kind of competing, but my best was matching somebody else's like average, you know? Like they have an okay game, but I was like, ah, I'm putting like everything into it. And I was like, this isn't gonna last. Like I'm having fun, but this isn't gonna last. Yeah. That was sophomore year high school for me. How, was it in a game or did you just play with? No, it was a, I transferred schools. So, so I came from the original school, remember I came from a very small town when I was in elementary junior high and then went to high school in my first year of high school, my freshman year, I was in a division three smaller school. And on the basketball team, I was a star player. I was high score, the score, lead and assist, steals like all categories. I was a star player for sure. And then we got, I got transferred. My parents moved to a little bit bigger town and now I'm moving up to a division two team, which is just one level up. It's not even that crazy of a difference. So there's like multiple levels of this and I rode the bench the next year. So I went from being star player to I couldn't even get on the court because the guy, the guy, two guys that were ahead of me were significant. My parents had such a hard time with this and that was so embarrassing for me because my mom and dad were like yelling at the coach about how good their son is. And I'm like, they are so oblivious to like the levels to this game. They just, they just saw, they saw their son getting all this playing time and everyone's celebrating and I'm the man over in this one school and then I get to the other school and then all of a sudden this, and then they think it's the coach, you know? How embarrassing is that I had that for baseball and my mom like trying to fight for me to get on the field. All my friends like bailed cause like this coach was just not going to play us. And I just, I rode the bench the whole season and she's like, I'd like fighting them. Like, bro, I still have nightmares about it. I still wake up in cold sweats. Yes, bro. That was like one of the most terrifying, awful moments. I mean, it's why I remember it so vividly. It's ego shattering. Yeah. Well, no, it's less, no, no, no. That's not the part that it's terrifying. It was my mother coming down that was the part that was so awful and terrifying. I was okay with it. Like I've always had that personality like, Oh, I need to work harder. Yeah, exactly. Like this kid's, these kids, I knew the kid was better. Oh, you felt embarrassed. Yeah. Like real quickly, I was like, I was humbled. Like Justin, I was like, I thought I was the shit. You know what I'm saying? And then I got playing with guys that were better than me. And I was like, oh, wow, there's levels to this. Like I'm the shit in my little town, but here I'm like average at best. And so it also instilled great work because that was the point in my life in sports where I was like, I mean, probably like Justin, I was probably a little gifted enough to be, you know, and he was probably better than I was, but I mean, I was good. And then when I got that rude awakening early on, I was like, oh shit, I got to work. Like I got to really work in order to get this playing time. But my parents thought I just deserved it because, you know, I was so good at the other school and they don't do this. Dude, the last thing you want your friends to see is your mom talking as a coach and being like, like get him on the field. I can't believe this. He's so good. And you're, I was like, mom, I'm so mad, dude. Like, oh my God, dude, it was the worst. I got the first time I felt like I started to realize that I was 17 and it was the first time, now granted I started working out at 14. It was the first time I could do a push press with 135, which is a lot of weight for a 17 year old. That's really good for a 17 year old. My dad comes home from work. It's like five o'clock and I was all tired, you know, construction or whatever he comes out and like, dad, come here, watch this. I want to show him how fucking strong I was. And I fucking pressed it and he goes, wow, that's pretty good. He goes, let me see. And he cleaned it with one arm, like literally squatted down and cleaned it, the whole barbell, long ass barbell one arm and he threw it down. He's like, that's not bad. Good job. And I remember being like, wow, that sucks. It really sucks. Then I remember in the gym, working in the gym, I had a client that I trained and he was this older guy but he was super strong, used to play college football and he had a 15 year old son. And he says, hey, I want my 15 year old to come on one of our workouts and I'll never forget this 15 year old kid, like he just started working out like a few months ago. We're working out bench press and the kids thrown up 225 and he was a big kid too but 225 and then I'm like, okay, there's a completely different level of humans. There's so many levels to it because I remember that was my high school experience of like realizing that early on and going like, oh, wow, there's levels to this game. And then I know Justin's talking about his college experience. And then I remember our adult experience together, he was working with me. Was it when you guys played basketball and a bunch of football players? Yeah, we played basketball, which we both consider ourselves pretty good at against a bunch of NFL players. You were competitive but not outstanding. They're not even basketball players. No, not only they're not, they're linemen, like 300 pounds and like, you know what I'm saying? Just jab it off you. Bro, just. They could shoot it from half court and drain. Like it just didn't make any sense. Donking and taking four steps. They're all the way up the court. I mean, it was just. Remember when we had Robert? So I opened it. Remember we had Robert Overson here when we were filming MAP Strong. So people don't know he's a strongman compared. One of the top in the world and he helped us create MAP Strong, right? So it's a strongman inspired workout program. Anyway, we're filming videos with him in here and he's doing demos of the exercises and in some of the demos, they're like these athletic drills because he said that some athleticism is important. Ladder drills. Yeah, yeah. So some of this is important for strongman competition. If you watch strongman competition, you realize it's definitely very different than powerlifting. You need to have some of these athletic skills. This guy's running and doing ladder drills and he's nimble on his feet like he's 125 pounds. Like, he's super athletic. And then he's sprinted. I don't remember where we were. Maybe when this we were creating the program and he sprinted. And if you ever seen a 350 pound monster run faster than anybody you've ever seen before, it's terrifying. It was actually a terrifying thing to see. I was like, okay, this sucks. Yeah, yeah, it's just like, okay, I'm done. Dude, I have some crazy stuff to share that I gotta go down. Just right before we got on the podcast, I saw it and it was like, what? I have to share this. And I will go down the rabbit hole of fact-checking. So if somebody does it before me, please share. But I just saw this clip on Donald Trump and of course like he's in the news like crazy right now because of the Mar-a-Lago thing and everything that's going on, right? And so everyone's talking about his money and tax evasion and all this stuff like that. So you know that this fool buried his ex-wife on his golf course for tax benefits. Oh, what? And I guess in the state of New Jersey, if you have a cemetery, then you're exempt of like sales tax, property tax, all these different taxes. And so it's him simply using the golf course for a quote unquote cemetery. He can write it up as it's a cemetery that versus a golf course. Now, you don't know for sure if he did this. Yeah, I was gonna say, is this confirmed or is this- So I have- I mean that law is, I think real. And I wouldn't put it past him. I mean, so I wouldn't, yeah, I wouldn't put it past him. Well, and that's the thing. It's like, if there's some kind of way of like- Doug, maybe look it up. Look up Donald Trump burying ex-wife. Oh, is it good? It's true. Yep. Wow, dude. By the way, you know- So crazy. Yeah, so there are lots of legal ways to pay more or less taxes. So it's the law system. But I had, so I did some posts on Twitter. I was just, I was in one of my moods. And so I got a whole bunch of, you know, back and forth. And it was about the student loan debt forgiveness that they're gonna do. Like $20,000 per student who makes less than $120,000 a year. So I don't even know that was poor. All of a sudden that's poor. And then couples making less than a quarter million dollars a year qualify for this student loan forgiveness. And I'm so annoyed about it because, number one, the reason why colleges are so inflated is because of federally backed guaranteed loans. So it's like free money. Of course, colleges are gonna be super expensive. Now you do that with anything, you're gonna inflate the cost. And number two, these people knowingly took on and voluntarily took on a loan for something they deemed valuable and then they changed their mind. Now they wanna vote for someone that'll promise that I'll pay for their loan, which is a noise of shit out of me. So I'm writing about that, and then people on their way. It's just transferred to everybody else. Yeah, what about corporations getting their tax breaks? I said, hold on a second, that's very different. One is you are forcing me to pay for your debt. The other one is they're just keeping more of the money they earned. It's very different, very, very different. So you can be upset about the tax code and believe me, I am too because it's complicated on purpose for a reason. But keeping your own money is not the same as taking money at the end of a barrel. Different mindsets completely. Totally, yeah. So what are we also, how are we conditioning? While inflation is going up, by the way. How are we conditioning our society too? Like we are punishing those that worked hard and knocked out their debt and got ahead. And we are rewarding those that are dragging their feet on their debt. And you're punishing people who didn't even go to college. And then also that. This is tax money. The government doesn't have money. So I mean it just, they have to take it from someone. It's interesting when you pull back. And I get it, granted, there's definitely people that this is going to help, right? Like I have family and friends that I know that still have student loan debt. They make under that 120,000 mark. They will be able to apply for this. And then being family and friends, I still totally disagree with this. It's just another way to buy votes. It's like the oldest thing ever, right? It's 100%. You promise things and it speaks to you. It speaks to certain demographic out there. Like, oh, this is going to help me. But you don't look at the bigger picture of what that actually entails. What it does is it doesn't understand economics. They don't understand that. But you first have to first understand that nothing is for free. And people have heard that statement as like a talking point. And so a lot of people like just definitely like, oh, nothing's for free. I've heard that. Like, no, this is going to help me out. And that's as far as they look to it. It's like, no, it's, people are still going to pay for that. And that's still going to even impact you. It will inflate things. And so you're going to even pay for it just in another way. And I think one of you made the joke that I'm like, you know, what they're probably going to do, what we're going to see in the next couple of years is tuition goes up $10,000. Oh, $10,000, that's going to happen. Yeah, well, I mean, they're expensive because we made these loans, we said everybody has to get an education. We did these federally backed loans. You had all this free money. It's no different than imagine if the government said, everybody needs a car. So everybody's guaranteed to get a loan if they ask for one. And we have federally backed loans. Everybody be driving BMWs and Mercedes if that was the case because car manufacturers are competing for lots of free money. We're in that right now. And we're getting there to some point. Oh, we absolutely are. Go do the, okay. The average car payment, I brought it up on the show a couple of weeks ago, the average car payment is what $713 or something like that. Yes, but here's the difference. If you don't pay back your car loan, what happens? They repo it. They repo your car. So they have, there's an asset there. Well, that was the same way with Houses. Collateral, right? The same with Houses. Yeah, but the difference with Houses, you're right. But the difference with Houses is, again, the federal government has stepped in and said everybody deserves a house and has inflated the shadow. This is why we had 2008. You had all these banks who were like, well, we can loan all this money. And if it doesn't, if you don't get the money back, guess who's gonna give us the money, the government, which is what they did. They get bailed out. In 2008, that's exactly what happened. You had people getting loans. Remember, do you remember applying for, I did, I remember applying for a home loan, 2008. The banks were just like, how much you make? Yeah, yeah. I could have said anything, $5 million, whatever. Yeah. How much of a loan do you want? All right, here you go. And why? I know, it was really that easy. They were backed by the government. So what we're doing is we're taking a problem and we're adding more of the problem to the problem. So the problem is the price of higher education is inflated to hell. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna inflate it more. It's crazy. You create an illusion that there's no consequences. Yes. And then the false equivalency thing and noise is shadowing me because they're talking about the PPP loans, which I have two opinions on that. One, the government forces you to shut your business down. There's a little bit more rationale to get a loan because you can't open it because you're forced to. But I will say this, and I remember when this happened, when they pushed those PPP loans through, which was politically expedient, do you guys remember how easy it would have been for anybody to get it? Do you remember us sitting down? We qualified for, I think, $180,000 or $190,000. We said no because it was against our integrity and we didn't need the money, but we could have. Well, fact check. We could have taken it. Didn't the Pelosi's acquire a PPP loan? A lot of politicians. Oh, hell of people. Lots of politicians. I think I've seen some stats on more than half for bullshit, people that didn't really need it and people that just, which you're always gonna get when you get free stuff out like that. There's gonna be people that are gonna learn to hack and work the system. That's just the thing. Yeah, it's like, that's the frustrating parts because it rarely goes in the direction you want it to go. And there's no transparency or accountability once you start getting these things approved. No, if you give out a quote unquote free money, what you're doing is you're sending a false signal to the market and then the demand that that money would normally go to or that it now goes to goes up, which means the price of that thing goes up. So if we did this with anything, computers, it could be with cars, it could be anything, well, you'll see is an inflated cost. And school is as expensive as it is in this country precisely because it's very easy to get a federally back loan. And now if they allowed the market to be, especially today with how technology is, if they allowed the market to take care of higher education, you'd still have expensive colleges, but you'd have a lot of other options because people still need to be educated. It's required, you'd have a lot of other options. I feel like it's hanging by the thread right now. I really do. I mean, we are so close in my opinion to. Is this the total revolution with education? Yeah, 100% dude. I mean, I was just having this conversation with a friend of mine and like about how wild it is. Actually it was Jen Cohen, I think and I were talking about this and how wild it is that this generation coming up, like just how you would learn something. Like I vividly remember like reading subjects that I was so not interested in and I didn't want to learn it, but I had to because I had a test coming up or a report that I had to do and then I had to go dig in my old social studies book and find what chapter it was and read it all together and take notes. And it's like you can now find somebody on YouTube who did a TED talk specifically to that timeline or that topic. And they're way more charismatic, way more interesting. And it's the algorithm is designed to populate it at the top if it's like the most and you got the great most. So it automatically pushes the best speaker on that topic to the top. So it's like everybody now has access. You know, everybody has their stories like in our generation that talks about like that teacher that like impacted them so much because they were so charismatic and they had all these- So passionate about it. They were so passionate and they changed the way. Just effective. They're just so effective. They're great communicators, right? You now, everybody has access to the best of the best on all topics by searching on YouTube. It's there for a podcast. Look, look, here's your evidence right here. You go to a university, take a course and then there's required reading. And they'll say, you need to buy these three books and each book costs you $300 each or $200 each. Huh? Where in the hell does a book cost $200? Especially in the era of streaming where I could stream that information for pennies only in a place where it's so controlled and regulated and they get so much free money that they can charge ridiculous prices for the stuff. And the way that we try to solve it is by throwing more money at the problem which is exactly the problem. It's exactly the issue. This is why kids go and get degrees for things that have no market viability. Like why are you in $100,000 in debt with a liberal arts degree which will earn you nothing in the market? Or art history? Great subjects. If you're interested in them, you can learn them for free. But why would you get debt for a degree that is worth nothing in the market? You wouldn't do that if you couldn't get these free loans. If you had to pay out of pocket, you'd be like, uh, I'm not gonna learn this. I'm not gonna learn anthropology when the only options I have to make money with anthropology are like a professor. Otherwise, there's nothing. Like it doesn't make any sense. You go in the direction of demand. Yes, absolutely. Because you know it's secure. Anyway, speaking of demand, I'm gonna talk about one of our sponsors, Public Goods because I think they're really meeting some demand in the market right now. I wanna read to you what's on their website which is pretty cool. So because, you know, we're America so wealthy and successful, consumers now are demanding things like, not only do I want good products that are inexpensive, but I want them to be good for the environment. I care more about the kind of chemicals that are in my products. So check this out. I didn't know this, but okay, so Public Goods is a company that you can buy household products, goods, there's some food stuff that you can get on there. And what they do is they try to give you really good prices and they do, but also very environmentally friendly and they don't have chemicals known to have issues in the human body. And the way they do that is by keeping a very minimalist type of labeling and direct to consumer type of a business. Yes, so I didn't know this. Did you know that their bottles are made from sugarcane? Oh, really? Yes, so they're biodegradable. So the bottles are? The bottles, yep. Technically it's not plastic, it's like some kind of- Sugarcane, sugarcane. Every shipment- Do you like to eat it? I don't know if you can eat it. I wonder. You can try. You can definitely try. You can probably go right through you. Every shipment is carbon offset. So they plant a tree for every order. So that's another thing that they do. And then- Every order? Every order is offset. And then their products are free of parabens, sulfates, and toxic chemicals that are known to have xenoestrogenic type properties in the body. So it's like this really, really conscious company that also has got great prices. So as I read this, I was like, holy cow, this is cool because you can tell consumers are wanting this. I mean, have you guys converted? I mean, I've converted my whole house to it. I like the minimalist look too. It's all organized. It does. I think it looks better. I like the look of it. I mean, I was just yesterday refilling the, and it's super user-friendly. I actually, this was the first time I did the lotion. Katrina normally does it. And I was, so the lotion was out and underneath our sink we have, they give you the big refillables, right? So the lotion bottle is like this big, the sugar cane one you're talking about, and then they have the big refills and it's this, and you just unscrew it and then you just squeeze it in. And they design it to where it fits in like, perfectly. You get every bit in there. Yeah, so nothing. Like, oh man, I hadn't done it yet. And so I was like, oh, this is gonna be interesting. Is it gonna be a mess when I do it? I'm like, oh no, hell easy. And the way the bag is designed, it kind of has like this kind of suction. So it doesn't just like pour out and go everywhere. You have to kind of squeeze it out. And then when you stop squeezing, it will stop. And so it filled the lotion up nice and easy. Like it's... Yeah, we've been on a mission of just like going through all the products that may potentially have like Xenoestrogen type chemicals or think hormones and disrupting chemicals in there, just a clean sweep of everything, you know. And just, what's rad is there are products now that are kind of serving that, especially cleaning products, the big one that we had to like get rid of. Well, they weren't doing it before. It was just so expensive. You go to like some... It was a small market. Yeah, you go to like a hippie-dippy store and you'd have to pay $9 for a bar of soap. Hippie-dippy. Let's see it. No, it's true though. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I remember when it first got popular because I was a single guy, a bachelor. Those big baskets of just soap, just open. Yeah. Not even in packages. Yeah, $9 for like one bar or whatever like that. And it's like, man, my Irish Spring is only like freaking 75 cents. Like this is crazy. I know. So it's so nice to actually have a brand that is, you know, way more competitive than some of those like little small stores. Speaking of sponsors. So, you know how I told you guys, I'm gonna start pushing the blue light blocking glasses at home, right? So I started really pushing it again because my son, he really, I mean, he's like me, he could be a total night owl. He can get stimulated. And then I see him come home from school, super tired. I'm like, what's the matter? Oh, I had trouble sleeping. So I went, got the blue, got the Felix Greys. I'm like, you have to wear these every day. Like you have to wear these at night and I'm checking on them. He's 17 years old. So I'm sure it's annoying to shadow him. But I'm gonna find out how much it's impacted. Cause I know in the past when I've done that he's got better sleep. So. You need to get it like the chums. I told you chums are back in style again. So those are cool again. Just tie it around them. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of funny. Cause Everett's like kind of the fashion trend setter of his class, you know, he's just always. That's cool. And it's like, it's just kind of who he is. Like it's, I'm not like, you know, trying to kind of promote that or anything. He just like, he'll be the kid with like the Mohawk. And then all of a sudden like kids have Mohawk and be like, okay, I'm gonna change my hair completely now. And like do it a different way. And I'll wear this like wild shirt that doesn't make sense, you know, and like the rest of the kids. So he started wearing his glasses to school. And then I'm like, okay, you know, like that's pretty cool. But he doesn't care. We're gonna have to affiliate him, bro. Get some commission for him. I know. It's like, we're gonna get some new frames cause they're like small on him now. Like I don't know. We're gonna get some cooler ones. Do you know which ones he has? I think they're the Nash, but they're like the tiny kid version. So he needs to get like the bigger ones. Those are the ones that we have. Yeah. Yeah. The Nash ones. I mean, they look cool though. It's just kind of funny cause like I was growing up, I remember like, I wanted to wear a glass just cause it looks like cool. But you couldn't justify it back then cause it was like, either you have a problem with your eyes or you don't or you're just like a phony. Did you guys have kids in your school when you were in high school that were like, hustled the candy on the side? Yep. Yeah. Was that you? No, I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I bought from him all the time. Yeah. The King size snicker bar. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? A dollar for a candy bar. Yeah. You made like a dollar or whatever for it. And then you probably buying it at Costco, getting it at 35 cents. It was as a great hustle. So they were banned at my school. You didn't do that. There was a kid sat behind me. They were banned at our school too, but you still, that was the hustle. You know what I'm saying? It was like one level, you know, it's like you don't buy drugs off of kids, but I'll buy candy bars. Yeah, yeah. No, 100%. I was picturing that cause I'm thinking of like, Everett with like the Felix Graves. You know what I'm saying? I'm getting him hustling. Oh, it's not bad. Yeah. Open it up. I'll get you one for free. And there's glasses. Hey, speaking of hustling and stuff, I see you've been on a lot of podcasts, Adam. And I know that one of your passion topics is investments and stuff. And I saw the names of some of these podcasts. Are you being interviewed about? Yeah, what's happening is like, you know, people that can't get to you, they're like, well, I guess we'll take Adam. Shut up. Listen now, let me tell you something right now. The next best. This is like, oh, Sal's too busy. The journey man's too busy. I guess we'll take the other guy. If that doesn't work out, tiny beard. And then they interview the whole time. So what do you think Sal would say about the- Shut your face. Shut up. You know, I have, lately they have, Katrina's ramped up. I've told her, I was like, all right, I feel like I have a little bit of time. So let's start getting me on some podcasts. And so we've been doing more of them lately. I've done a lot actually this week. And most of them have been geared. And I think, I don't know, that's just because we talk about it more, I guess recently than we used to in the past. Like in the past when I would do these interviews, they were always around coaching and training where now the conversation is getting steered more around either real estate or our investment arm and like the business. And so I actually really enjoy those conversations. And so it's fun for me because obviously we've been talking fitness forever to talk about some of the other things that I'm excited about that we do. And obviously the investment arm and the company's a lot of people don't know that we're, you know, we're angel investors and eight different companies that we've talked about on the show briefly. But that's a lot of what I've been chatting it up with these people with. Yeah, I think the same skills that you apply to consistency with health and fitness, they apply to finances. Obviously it's different, but it's the same thing, right? Be consistent, disciplined, kind of think longterm, understand your, I guess your risk tolerance, you know, that kind of deal. Yeah, no, I'm really excited. And we have Harry today that's coming in and I want to introduce, Yeah, yeah, I want to introduce him to the audience. This is the first and we get this a lot. So that's why I'm excited about it is a lot of people have been curious about like where our investments and what we're doing. And a lot of times companies, unless you're an accredited investor, you can't, not everybody can throw money at it, but there are sometimes opportunities where they do this like, I don't know if it's called cloud sourcing or whatever like that where they allow, you know, almost anyone. Oh, it's pre-market. So CareMinder, one of the companies we're already currently invested in, Harry, the CEO and one of the founders of that is here today to share with our audience an opportunity for them to actually invest in something that we're invested in. Now, consider this as always a huge risk anytime you invest. Yes. This is pre-market. This is not a public company. So you're kind of like a small angel investor, but you know, with risk, the higher risk, higher potential returns, but always much higher risk. No, I'm glad you said that because I think it's important that our audience knows too that by no means do I think any of us think that we are these brilliant angel investors. What we have done is we've tried to stay in our lane for the most part. Most all of these are in the health and wellness and at slash medical space, which I would call a sister, you know, industry to us. I think that we've tried to stay in things that we have some sort of understanding and grasp on. And it makes sense because we are this health and fitness podcast. And if we really like the company and or potentially doing advertising with them, it's kind of a win all the way around for us. Otherwise it's very high risk. I mean, the likelihood that you're gonna hit one that ends up being a unicorn and making, you know, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars off of it is rare. So, you know, we risk some of our money, but not all over a lot of our money. And so it's important that the audience knows that, you know, angel investing is very high risk, but to your point can be massively high risk. In full disclosure, we're investors in CareMinder and they also sponsor the show. So full disclosure, this is, you know, so let's talk to Harry, see what's going on. All right, Harry, thanks for coming on. Can you tell us a little bit about CareMinder? Like what it is, what you guys do so we can talk a little bit about, you know, investment opportunities? Sure, sure, sure. CareMinder's technology company and we work in healthcare. We work in a very specific area of healthcare where we're providing technology not to be the care but to help the people who provide the care connect with patients to make it more accessible for patients to be able to communicate openly with their doctors, counselors, nurses. So we developed a program where part of it is what the patient has, which is an app in their phone. Part of it is what the health center has, the people that take care of them, and it's a portal, it's a cloud that they're able to view how many, to be able to see many patients at the same time. So our job, somebody described this when I was showing it to them, they said, well, it's an A to Z solution. I said, no, it's like B to Y. They're A, they're the ones that start the patient on what we call a journey, a care plan, and they're Z, they're the ones that do something when the data is brought back. I tell people we perform critically important mundane tasks. We go and we get data and we bring it back to the doctor about things like how you're doing today, what's your number, is your temperature, your weight, your blood sugar. We bring back data like do you have your prescriptions? Do you have any problem with refills? Are you having any trouble getting down to the office with transportation? All of the normal kinds of questions that a doctor would wanna know on an ongoing basis, but it's hard to get it regularly, like every week or maybe even every day if it's important. You're getting that data, it's coming right back to the doctor and it's being delivered quickly so that somebody can act on it if there's a problem. We're the B to Y. So who are your customers then? Who's paying for your services? Is it the hospitals, is it the doctors, how's that work? Right, we work for a very specialized set of clients today and they're called the Community Health Centers. Community Health Centers is a program, it's a safety net program that was established by federal funding over 50 years ago. Now there's 1400 of these centers but because they serve primarily the underserved populations of our cities and towns and states, you're talking about people that are overwhelmingly below 200% of the poverty line, okay? You're talking about veterans, you're talking about the homeless, you're talking about folks that this is the last place that they can go to and they can go there for free. Uninsured people can get coverage at Community Health Centers. This is a very well-established program. Last year they got $12 billion in funding just to be there and do the things they need to do to help these people. Those 1400 centers are one-stop shops. They have doctors and nurses, they have dentists, they have their own pharmacy, they have a lot of facilities, they do not necessarily have specialists. Maybe they have some pregnancy specialists because they deal with a lot of single moms and teenage moms, that kind of world. But they mostly deal with working-class folks, people that have jobs, maybe they have multiple jobs, maybe they're immigrants, maybe they're people that are on hard times and they're just trying to hold it all together, agricultural workers. These places are in towns and cities, the 1400 of them or they're 14,000 sites. They're in tiny little towns out in no-where land, on tribal lands. They are the safety net of the healthcare system. If they weren't there, your hospital emergency rooms would be overwhelmed. Those are our clients. So, Harry, normally what makes a business really successful is how big of a problem that they are solving. And so before CareMinder, how did this stuff get done and what major problem are you guys solving that was there before? It's very interesting. This particular group of people, because they get government funding, they have a report card and it's called the Universal Data Set. And it's about 100 factors that they have to report on so they can tell anybody can look this up. It's right there on a search engine if you type in, you know, the HRSA and then space, UDS. That's the Universal Data Set of the group that runs all of these health centers, the funding for them. You look at those and you'll see this group here has, well, like one of our clients down south has like 11,000 hypertensive patients. 11,000 people have been diagnosed with high blood pressure. There's a measure of that and they can say, well, we have about a 48% in control. So they've got like over 5,000 people that have high blood pressure and it's not under control. We're the ones that try to move that needle, get that better. Every one of these goals, how many diabetics you got? We got this many. We have 2,000, we have 100. We have smaller groups have, we have 800. Okay, how many of them are under control? Oh, about half, 400, five. And it's a number, it's there. Every single center has this number. We look at that and we say, we can help you move that. We can get people who are, we call it the red zone. The people that are in the wrong place, we can get them back across the line to be under control into the green zone. That improves their health. It reduces the chance that they're going to the hospital with a stroke or a heart attack or they're gonna go blind from diabetes or something terrible. We reduce that problem, which helps the society of the community they're serving. Community health centers are regionally bound and responsible for a specific area of people. And anybody who comes in there is their community. They're trying to help them be as healthy as possible so that they can live lives and be productive and not have to go to the hospital. And they're, it's helping those people and you guys are having success because of basically how much you've simplified the communication between the patient and the doctors. Now, have you guys done this enough and long enough to actually have some measurables? Like, okay, when we come into a place that's 50% of the people are in the danger zone or whatever, like how much is CareMinder really moving the needle? Right, we have programs now that have been on for a year. Last year was pretty ragged. I mean, the pandemic made it very hard to launch programs but it got going. And we have programs where we have data and we've shown it to them that they were ecstatic when we showed it to them about a week ago where we looked at their entire first year and said, you know, you started out and here's a set of people that we were able to focus on. We took the data cutoff at the end of March this year and now there's a new data cutoff that's been added. But as of the March data, you had people, you started off with a population that was about 45, 46% in the green zone. Now they're 69%. Wow. It's a big step. Wow. And it's that kind of number. And we expect that we can drive them. There's actually a measure put out by the American Heart Association where they call you a champion of hypertension if you can get to 80%. Now, we looked at the list from last year. There's only like four or five health centers that have ever made it. Out of these, how many again? 1,400. Wow. And we think we can bring almost all of our clients to that point because it's possible. How many of these health centers are you currently working with? We have about, well, we just signed up a bunch more. We have about three dozen that were on, but we're beginning to market out further. And we believe this data from the first year is gonna be the real key to convincing them that they should get on board with us. Because we think that the idea that we can honestly move the needle in a way that you can see it is what can make the whole thing work the best for everyone. Okay. Now, because this is federally funded, they just, they wanna see results, but I'm assuming they also wanna see savings, right? Like are we saving money through helping more people? Are we able to show that as well? Well, we can't show the savings because that's, there's actuaries that work that side, but they know that if you take, if you take a population of 1,000 people that have diabetes and 500 were in, if you could take the 500 to 750 or 800, they can put a number on that because they can say statistically, we know that that group of people would have been in the hospital. It would have cost a lot of money. We also know their societal cost of people who are now unable to work and just the dominoes that fall when you have breadwinners, the families, all of that stuff, there's people that analyze that well, but it starts with the domino of, can you get them into the green zone? Can you get them out of the danger zone into a safer place? Statistically, a big number will change, a big, big number. Yeah, interesting. I mean, this is why we were investors in what you guys do, but now that you're allowing other people to invest who can now invest in the company, you're not a public company, so this is like buying stock. So how does this work first off? How do investors invest? And then what do they get for that? And let's talk about that process and why you're raising money in the first place. Okay, we're raising money to be able to go out and to address the rest of this market. We have a beachhead, but we understand there's an enormous need out there all across the country and we wanna reach out to them. I have been in the business of being an entrepreneur for a very, very long time and I've raised money in many different ways, but a new vehicle came out in 2016, I think is when it was launched, when this ability to have kind of a public private offering where ordinary people could come in, it used to be you had to be a sophisticated investor and pass all of these statements of how sophisticated you were in terms of having a large amount of money, assets, net worth, that's all been left out. The new model is an ordinary investor, an ordinary person that just has a job and wants to get in early on a company. There's new vehicle for them and it's called REG-CF, it's security and exchange commission, it's highly governed and you have to go through one of the portals so you ask how do you do this? The largest portal in this particular niche, the largest broker if you will, the kinds of people that you might buy stock from and there's about a dozen of them, the biggest is called Start Engine, that's the one that actually approached us in January and said, the rules have been changed, you can raise a lot of money now, would you like to try this? Well, we had never heard of them, we investigated it, said this is a really interesting way to let ordinary folks invest a few hundred, a few thousand dollars, whatever is comfortable for them, but get in early when the company is gonna grow greatly so that that money, it doesn't move in small numbers we hope, but it actually grows rather rapidly into big numbers that were never available to the ordinary investor. So basically, if you're interested in investing, you just go to Start Engine and you look up CareMinder. So it's just StartEngine.com slash CareMinder and at that point, you're gonna see all of the information, you'll see a video that we actually, you guys helped us make the video, my little section was recorded right here in the studio, but then our video guy got in and did all the magic that he does, but you'll see a three minute video about us, you will see an awful lot of information on there, about the market, about the team, about the product, about our financials, about updates that we've been sending. Everything on there was run through compliance attorneys just like we were a public offering. It was a painful process to have to, every number we mentioned, we had to provide backup research information so that the attorney that I've never met, it's just a name to me, that they would have on hand the evidence that we're talking about something. When I said 1400, I had to prove it was 1400. When I said it was $12 billion in funding, I had to send them a link to show them where they could look that up. When I said that this is a 50 year old program, they wanted to see a link that it was a 50 year old program, every single fact in there has been double triple checked. So an investor can believe that they're reading something that is truthful and detailed and tells the story very accurately and you can get in early. Is there a minimum? There is. It's on the sheet there, it's below $300. But it's on, when you look on there, there is a set of terms. They're right there on the first panel that you see. You have to scroll down to read all the information. But if you look at that first panel, it will show you that. It will show you the price per share. It will show you the minimum investment. It will also show you that there are bonuses, incentives, that if you invest a certain amount that you get extra stuff. So there is a larger number that you might get a few percent on top. So your money goes further. Got it. So essentially you invest, it gives you a certain amount of shares. Then at some point there's an exit strategy. Company either goes public or sells and then those shares are worth more than the person reaps the benefit, correct? That's how the exit works. Otherwise their money's there and they don't, I mean that's the risk, right? No, that's not quite. You're exactly right with what you said. No, somebody could actually potentially buy out your shares at one point. So if somebody comes in and says, Yeah, after a year that we close out and this particular funding will be closing in at the end of September, after, and there is a time period, it's like a year, there will be a secondary market. So let's say we're doing great and we're in the news and one of the people holding shares wants to sell some. They're allowed to in what's called a secondary market and the same people start engine runs that market. So even if we haven't been acquired or sold or gone public, and believe me that is part of our corporate goal someday, you know, even if that hasn't happened, there's still going to be some availability for liquidity for these investors. It's a really, I think from that standpoint, it's a really good system for ordinary investors who can't hold their position forever and may have something they want to cash out on. Not only that, and correct me if I'm wrong here, isn't it common like in a situation like this where, you know, like you said, you guys start to get national attention and then a big firm comes in and they want to make a major contribution and part of making a major contribution, they want to swoop up a lot of the small investors. They very well could make an offer to the investors. Yeah, that has happened in other companies that I've been involved in, that they want more complete control, maybe they only want the employees to own, they will make offers to outside people and that will be something that will be done then if that were to happen. Right. Well, I mean, again, full disclosure, we're invested in your company because we like what you guys are doing, we'll believe in what you guys are doing. But of course, again, full disclosure, anytime you invest as an early investor in a company is always high risk, right? The risk is that the company doesn't do well or there is no exit in which case you lose your investment. However, like with all investments, high risk typically means high return if there is success. But nonetheless, again, we like what you guys are doing, we support it for sure and I appreciate you coming on. Yeah, well, thank you. The only thing I'd add is that the team you look at when you see the pictures of us and stuff, one thing we can say is we've been through this rodeo before. We have started companies, we have had successful exits, I have had successful exits. My kids college fund is delighted with that. But the bottom line on it is that this is probably the most important work I've ever done in my career. It gives back to people that need to be given back to. It advances the technology of something that's fundamental to all of our lives, the technology of healthcare. It makes everything work better for the patient. Makes people who have to deal with something that lasts for a while, whether it's one of these conditions or a pregnancy or even a spout of depression that they've got to handle. It makes that easier to get solved. And so this is, obviously I'm very excited about it, but it's not just the corporate side. It's also this idea that within a community we're giving the right things back to them. One last thing actually before we wrap up because we didn't touch on this and I do believe that there is a little bit of urgency around this for these investors because doesn't this round close in September? It does close. It closes on to September 29th. That's on the sheet. You'll see it there. And so we're trying to encourage you that if you think about it, read the information, look at all the things on there. There's a set of updates. We send an update out every week, maybe a couple of times. There's a big one coming out shortly that's gonna be up there or maybe it just went up because we deal that we've been working on for a long time got concluded. So you'll see the Michigan announcement. I think it's up now. But please read all the information, feel comfortable with it. And if it makes sense for an investor to get in, get in. 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Once that becomes super easy, then move to a more challenging version of pushups until eventually you get down to the floor and then you start practicing traditional pushups. I've had clients that had this issue and I couldn't even do an elevated pushup. So we'd even do it on the wall to start. So there's just scale of intensity in terms of like what angle will be appropriate. And if it's really, is it the wrist that's the issue that you're putting pressure on? Is it the lack of strength? These are all things that I would start to consider and like scale that. I mean, even one good one too was, which I'd never use this machine but I use it for this one purpose alone, which is, I even forgot the name of it because it's so useless to me. We all did pushups on that. Right. But I mean, you can like, you can set it up and then they can actually grip it. I think the important part for that is like establishing a good firm grip and then making that fist and then start it in that direction. So that way that you can kind of divert a little bit of the pressure on the wrists. So technically I'm the most qualified to answer this. Based off of the pushup king. I mean, well based off of I have the most viral video around pushups of the three of us on YouTube channel. Oh, you do. All right. I didn't even get the popcorn out. That's just because you're super handsome. No, no, actually it is one of the more viral videos that we did. I did it on basically like the perfect pushup and how to regress it and progress it. So if you haven't watched that video, I know I see Doug over there searching for it right now. So if you go to mine pump and then I think perfect pushup. Type in most viral pushup video that mine pumps everything. I'm actually just altering the picture. Just type in mine pump and then I think perfect pushup. Maybe Andrew, what we'll get it. I'm pretty sure that we'll get it. And then you'll, yeah, that's it, right? And then I show regressions to you guys's point from my knees. I talk about going to the floor and hand release and then pulling your shoulders back like. It's a good video. Yeah, I think it is. It's a really good video. By the way, you made a comment about gripping something. Here's a tip for pushups. If your wrists bother you when you're on the floor, when you have your hands on the floor, don't just relax your wrists and allow the joints to support you. Grip the floor. Actually create tension like you're trying to grab the floor. Gonna push out like in a spiraling kind of a. Yes, so grab the floor and like you're trying to twist. You don't actually twist, but create that tension and then watch how much more stable you feel with your pushups. Next question is from Kim and Lexi Adventures. How important are core specific exercises if you always brace your core while lifting? I mean, I don't know. Like how important are bicep exercises if you only do back or how important are tricep exercises if you only do shoulders? In fact, I would say it's even more. This is the powerlifting argument. It is. I would say it's even more important because unless you do core specific exercises, the core is definitely getting stronger with certain exercises, but the core is not being trained through a full range of motion. So it's really being trained as this stabilizer, this static stabilizer. And in real life and everyday life, you're gonna be put in positions where you're not in this perfect position to stabilize. You're gonna bend over to get something. You're gonna have to sit up off the floor. And if you don't train your core through those ranges of motion, the strength difference between stabilizing and actually going through a full range of motion is actually kind of large. So I've done this with people where they're good squatters, good dead lifters. They never really trained their core. Then we go do a real like physio ball crunch and they're shaking as they go through the full range of motion. So it's important to train your whole body through all the ranges of motion. That's interesting. You think it's actually more important. I don't know if I would agree with that. I don't know if I'd agree that I think it's more important. I would think that somebody who has become a really good squatter and dead lifter, obviously you built some good core stabilization strength, which is better than the person who's doing neither one. Well, no, no, I mean, it's okay. So I use the example of like biceps, not working your biceps even though you're doing it. Which by the way is a great analogy I think. It is, but the difference is when I'm doing rows, I'm at least training my bicep through a range of motion. It's not just stabilizing is what I'm saying. When you're using your core as a stabilizer, you're strengthening in that position. More like dead lift, right? Yeah, you're not using it through its full range of motion. No, I mean, it's not that you're not right to your point of like, they're different. I mean, you're talking about a whole different adaptation. But I mean, somebody who's gotten really good at squatting and dead lifting and they're lifting in a good way and they can brace and stabilize their core, I think has a lot of value and carryover into just protecting your spine and your low back in like everyday life. Doesn't mean you have a very strong quote unquote core because you're not training it through full range of motion and it's only really good at stabilizing. But I still think that that person is in a way better position than somebody who is not training their core. Of course, of course. I was comparing it to the bicep argument. I mean, you take that power lifter and I've seen people like this. Sticking squat and dead lift a lot and then they hurt their back like twisting to pick something up. Exactly, I mean, that's really where I'm at. Two, when you get so strong in that one direction, you're even more vulnerable at some of those everyday average movements that you're gonna get caught up just lifting something like you could easily lift and then rotating it or just losing your balance slightly and the compensation that happens and occurs because your muscles fire so hard, you could tear something. So if I were to, if I had an order of operation on this person who like trains dead lifting and squatting and good core bracing but they're not training their core, I actually would prioritize rotation first. Yes. Agreed. Then you rotation and then doing what you're saying, full range of motion crunches but their highest risk is for sure doing something where they're rotating. I'd say rotating, rotating and bending while you're pushing up is less likely like you're gonna experience that. Especially if they've already kind of built some sort of stability in the sagittal plane like that, right? They have some strength and stability. Even though they don't have good full range of motion they're not weak and unstable in that situation. So they're at least, but rotating. I would say rotating. Rotating and lateral flexion and extension because the QL, that's an often, that's a muscle that's often pulled. Yeah. Okay, let me paint the scenario. Strong guy works out in the gym. He could deadlift 500 pounds. He could squat 400 pounds. He goes to move his couch and it's a heavy couch. It's a 250 pound or 300 pound couch. So he can lift it cause he's really strong. He's moving it. He steps a little wrong. His body twists. He was able to lift it, but he wasn't able to stabilize it while rotating because he never trains that. Boom. Hurts himself. Or is it one side lower? Yes. Yeah, you get that lateral stability issue. Like you said, the QL leaves that completely susceptible. Yes, yes. So you can have isometric strength and there's carryover to ranges of motion outside of that, but it doesn't carry all the way over. So you definitely want to train everything in full ranges of motion. Next question is from MT Rave. How accurate are trackers such as Fitbit at measuring neat and calories burned? This is a great. I'm going to say something controversial in response to this. They're extremely accurate, super accurate. Compared to what? Let's fact check that. Well, here's here's why I'm going to say that. Okay. It's people want to tear them apart on where they're where they're inaccurate to their current, you know, metabolism or in this person's asking about their daily need. That part is irrelevant to me. What they're really good at and very accurate is consistently reporting that data based off of you. In other words, if I get it, what I don't care about. So like, let's say a client gets the Fitbit. It's their first week of wearing it for me because I used to use it all the time like this. And they're like, Hey, it says I'm burning on average, 1800 calories. I don't give a shit if it says 1800 or 2700 to me. It's that's irrelevant. What I care about is that what it's saying consistently now and then the things that I decide to add or take away in their routine and or diet in relation to their food. So you're looking at what you're saying in other words is the trend. You're watching the trend. That's all I'm using it for. Is it going up? Is it going down? That's where the accuracy is. And they were insanely accurate for that. Yes. Like let's say you go for a walk for 500 steps, you know. And let's say the steps are actually off and you really took 527 steps and the calorie burn says it was 500 calories but it was really 523. That doesn't matter. It's going to measure the same. Every time you take those 500 steps it's going to repeat and measure it the same way. So it's going to give you a very consistent report and feedback on your daily activity and your burn where people fuck up is they do it and then they see what it says you're quote unquote burning in the day and then they eat. They try to eat and match those calorie burns which is like completely wrong. Yeah, I totally agree. I think if it does its job, which it does well is if you're less active for that day it'll show that in your number of metrics that it's accumulating. Yeah, it's the trend that's, it reminds me of body fat testing. Yes. Everybody freaks out, well, I don't know body fat tests can be off by 4% or 3%. Well, that doesn't matter but if you test your body fat every other week for a year, you'll see a trend. And the trend is pretty damn consistent. It's going up or it's going down. Same thing with these. So forget the total calories if that's accurate because they're not super accurate on that or as accurate as going to Stanford and have them hook you up with some of the most sophisticated machinery. Well, there's an argument too. It's like the arm swing versus actual steps. And it's just like, again, to that point it's just that's pretty much irrelevant as long as it's like patterning your overall movement. Yeah, because it's going to figure that out, right? So that's a great example. Like Katrina used to always be like, it's not fair, your Fitbit registered source memory because you talk with your hands. But you always talk with your hands. Right, but I always talk with my hands. I always do that. And that does burn calories. I'm not technically walking and so it's what registering incorrectly. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. It'll show if you're more or less active. That's right. And that's all I care about is that it gives me a baseline of and so the actual number that everybody gets hung up on and then how accurate is that number to my, who cares? That's not how you should use it. The way you should use it is eat a certain way consistently and just choose somewhere where you think is your maintenance level. You don't even have to be perfect. Or if so it says 2,000 calories you don't gain or lose at your maintenance. So eat at 2,000 calories consistently for a week while you wear your Fitbit. If you did a good job of finding your maintenance you shouldn't see any fluctuation of weight up or down. And then whatever that thing reads and tells you steps and calorie burn, use that as, this isn't my baseline. When I eat 2,000 calories and I move this much it maintains my body. Now, when I add this many more steps in the day or push this thing to say it burns 500 more calories if I keep my calories the same I should have a 500 calorie deficit now. Or if I keep my activity the same and then but reduce my calories by 500 I should now have a 500 calorie deficit. Don't get hung up on that. Oh, this thing is inaccurate. It says it. By the way, to be very clear 95% accuracy at measuring a metabolism. My million metabolism is extremely complex. That's amazing. But 95% accuracy is incredible but that's still 5%. 5% over the course of six months or a year is a huge amount of calories and can make a huge difference. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. They could be 98%. Still 2% makes a big difference over the course of a year. What's important is the trend and the trend is consistent. And unless you drastically change the way you walk select you normally walk like this and then tomorrow you're like I'm gonna trick this and walk like this. Listen, let me. Yeah, now you're gonna see like. I'm a huge proponent of these things. So listen to me when you think that's inaccurate you wanna know what's even more inaccurate. You telling me how active you are. You telling me how much food you eat without fucking tracking. And you can tell me you think you know and you think you're really good. You know how off you are. You were so off. You were so off on your steps. You were so off on your movement. Way beyond this thing. So it's an incredible tool for feedback to get closer to having an idea of what your body probably burns. I suspect that's probably one of the biggest factors for messing up that whole formula for figuring out your maintenance calories, right? Because people like over assume how active they are. Yes. And it's like, it gives you like these options of like slightly active, very active, like incredibly active. If you, oh, I'm incredibly active. If you work a desk job, okay. So eight to 10 hours a day you sit at a desk and the only time you're active is one hour workout every day. Seven days a week. And you train like a maniac. You're an athlete. You train hard. An hour a day, seven days a week. You're sedentary. You're sedentary. Because that's one hour out of your entire day. Crazy, but it's true. Yeah, but that just shows you how off we are at estimating ourselves. Well, what it is, we compare ourselves to everyone else. Well, I work out every day and John doesn't. So I'm super active compared to him. Well, that's true. I mean, these tools, I credit those tools that gave me the ability to compete at that level. Like I don't know if I could have done it without that. I think you could. I have faith in you. Maybe now. Yeah. I believe I could do it now because I've been through all of it and I've learned a lot. 100% I agree. Those tools gave me incredible feedback. Try to get down to 3% body fat without having trends that you could follow. Like, oh my God, you're guessing. You're guessing at best. And this is where that whole strategy of not really focusing on the cardio to increase the number of... Now you can actually have this data to then pull from like, okay, I just need to be more active throughout the day and I can do that in a way where I am affecting my body fat in a way where I'm not like just adding more cardio which is what everybody does. They just throttle down on cardio to burn it off. Next question is from Nicholas Costa, 3517. Do you target a posterior problem or a weight problem first with a client? Well, let me change the question a little bit just before so we don't get into the weeds or get controversial with posture problems because that's kind of a controversial statement. Would you work with a person's movement first? In other words, getting them to move better and to have more stability first or get them to lose weight first? Movement first because the process of getting somebody more fit and stronger is also the process, if you do it right, of speeding up the metabolism which also aids in weight loss and also weight loss is much more complicated than strength training in the sense that when you meet with me three days a week, we're strength training, you're doing what I'm telling you. The rest of the time you're not with me, that's what deal, that's the weight stuff. So I never take a client, go, I don't care what you're doing, we're gonna make you lose weight first. Yeah, I know you're moving wrong, I know your back hurts, whatever. You gotta focus on that stuff first. I think, yeah, and I read this question as like if you're a new trainer, right? And you're kind of going through this, like what's the most important thing? Especially if somebody is in like, if they're overweight, they're obese and they have like some bit of joint pain but it's like, you know, and you know that you could kind of take them through, you know, more of the movement and the mobility and that side to really help kind of get towards that but it's gonna take a bit of time to get there versus you thinking as a trainer, like maybe if we just shit weight, it's gonna now, like some of these problems are gonna resolve and this pain is just gonna sort of go away, which is like in my experience going through this, it's never been the case. Like this is just an underlying issue that needs to be addressed and also like incorporated as you are working your way towards strength training in that direction. I'll tell you what's wrong with this question is this comes from a place of still measuring the effectiveness of a workout by the calories it burns in the workout. Like that's so insignificant. Yeah, the workout is the workout. Like if I train some way, so let's just use, so we can be very like practical here and like give someone a visual kind of like example of like, okay, so very common, upper cross syndrome, right, rounded shoulders, forward head. I can address that while also writing a quote unquote weight loss program for this client, right? So like- That's the individualized part of the workout. Yeah, and doing mobility and doing seated row and retraction and supine scorpions and movements that are going to benefit their posture is burning calories and is building muscle. Therefore it's still a program that is being, is designed to hopefully get this person to lose weight. And the only thing that could be potentially more superior towards the weight loss, quote unquote goal would be if you were intentionally doing more activity to try and burn more calories in the workout. You know what I'm saying? Otherwise it is a weight loss program. Like I get a client who wants to lose weight but also has all kinds of posture issues. So I write a program that's designed to build them muscle, speed up their metabolism while also doing exercises that are going to correct their posture or help. I see this person asking with the thought process of like hit training or something being the best program for weight loss, right? That's exactly what I think too. Yeah, look, look- Cause you're thinking about calorie burn right now, which get rid of that. Totally. It's just a numbers thing. Okay, so workouts become much more specific in terms of goals, the more advanced a person gets. But initial clients, initially your goal is weight loss. Okay, great. Your goal is to get stronger in a deadlift. Okay, great. Your goal is to move better, fine. You want to be more athletic, fine. You want to build a lot of muscle, fine. When you're a beginner, I'm going to look at you as an individual and there's I have to start with getting you to move better before I can do anything else. Now, if you're training with me for a year and you want to get a better squat, then we start to get more specific with the training, right? But the weight loss one's interesting to me because a weight loss workout is the same as a muscle building workout. That's right. There's no difference. In fact, all workouts with strength training should be used for muscle. And by the way, that client is being trained the same way, ironically, if they want to build muscle or lose body fat. That's what I was trying to say. And or have bad posture or not. Like you're just going to incorporate goals, preserving muscle and building muscle. That's right. And the only little bit of a difference maybe is like if I had a client who had perfect posture, which never happens, but let's pretend like this for this conversation happened, then there might be some corrective exercises that I don't integrate into the training person. Well, now you're talking about the individualization. Right. It really doesn't change anything, right? Yeah, it really doesn't. You're still going to program in that way. And by the way, most people have a lot of the similar issues, right? Have problems retracting and depressing their shoulders. Have some sort of an anterior pelvic tilt. Have knees that are caving. A lot of these like issues are similar. So when you start building a lot of these routines and you start putting in exercises that are going to help them in those areas, it looks the same for every type of client, whether it's a muscle building, a fat loss or whatever, you're going to integrate things into the program that are going to address those things. And you're not, it's not a subpar program. You're not sacrificing like, oh, they're not going to get weight loss because I'm addressing their posture stuff. Like, no, we're working on building muscle and we're doing that. Totally. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out guides. We have free guides that can help you with so many different fitness and health goals. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump. Justin, Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump. Adam and you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump. So this one's really important and that is to phase your training. If somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press and they're always aiming for five reps. If you compared that person to a person who did the bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and three or four weeks of, let's say, 15 to 20 reps and then they'll throw in some supersets. At the end of that year, you're going to see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out. And less injury, that's another thing. You'll see less injury as well.