 don't like it. I mean the squats are miserable you know and I'm at depth my bottom rib hits my thigh. It's almost impossible for me to keep it over my midfoot when I'm in depth. I just because the way I'm built it almost like mechanically the damn thing just almost can't keep it in over my midfoot you know there's just nothing fun about it. You're listening to Barbell Logic brought to you by Barbell Logic Online Coaching where each week we take a systematic walk through strength training and the refining power of voluntary hardship. Hey, welcome to Barbell Logic Podcast. I am Scott Hambrick and that is Matt Reynolds of course and thank you so much for listening. You should go follow Barbell Logic on Instagram and you should follow Matt and I. You should go do that right now. What are you gonna tell them what it is? At Barbell Logic. That's probably pretty easy to find. Yeah, it's at Barbell Logic. I'm at Scott Understores Squarespace. I wonder if you search Scott Hambrick. Will it just show up or if you search Matt Reynolds? I probably would. Yeah, unless I'm you know being shadow band and then you are at Reynolds Strong. I don't post that much anymore. I get on these little kicks and I'll post but I've said this before I've been very pleased with the work that my team has done. Alexis Wolfer and Brooke Halbenstricker and that crew for Barbell Logic they do such a good job of maintaining our social media accounts that I don't have to do it anymore. So right for a long time my social media accounts were bigger than the the businesses and so I felt sort of obligated to continue to post stuff and now I'm I'm just not that interested. Yeah, so I've been doing I've been doing Instagram lives most weekend week evenings. Yeah, that's it's fun. Yeah, you might go follow those things. Hey, let's talk today about what your first month in LPs like as a waitlist or first month as someone who does weight training. Yeah, well let's be honest it's it's scary is what it is at first. Think so? At first? A lot of people get into it and they're they're misguided about what they you know it's pretty rare that somebody comes from doing absolutely nothing right and they have zero background whatsoever in anything. Most these people were running or they you know or like they're running around their neighborhood or they're you know or they're somebody going to water aerobics or whatever right and they realize like man this just isn't working and and they discover the values of strength training whether that comes from like the starting strength book or whether that comes from talking to a friend or family member that's been changed by this thing and so it's sort of it's sort of buying into it's sort of like a conversion into a religious experience. I mean I really think it is. Oh no. You don't think so? Not for me man. Okay, well do tell. Well well Terri and I have been talking about this. Terri has this talk that she gives about you know that she has two different kinds of clients. She has a client that is super passionate about this. You know you might call them a competitive per a competitor maybe Matt and then the others that are just take this as medicine. Yep. You know and and there are two different kinds of people and the motivations are different and so their their training approaches are different. Everything's different and and man I'm definitely the you're the medicine guy. I'm definitely the medicine guy. And I'm definitely the other side. Man I had a I trained yesterday. It was so fun. I had such a fun training session yesterday. I wanted those training sessions like where the so you don't ever have that right or it's pretty rare. Yeah. I mean sometimes you get with people and you enjoy the sociability of the training and the coaching but you don't actually enjoy putting a bar on your back and doing something. No. No. You should see the look of disgust on his face. No. It literally looks like he just watched somebody vomit on the side of the road. No. No. I don't. I don't. And I don't want to. I don't want to. I think that the things we say change the way we think and the way we think changes the way we live and I almost you know I don't even want to say all the work but you know there's nothing about heavy squats that I I'm even capable of enjoying. I actually think this is really an interesting dichotomy between you and I and the way we've approached these things. I mean I can go back and very much remember what it felt like to start this thing for the first time and that was not my experience at all and so I think that we probably have our listeners out there are are going to identify with either you or I in this and and and neither are right or wrong. No. This is the way different personalities are. So all right. So you you've told your story. You went to a personal trainer for a long for a while and you were fat and out of shape and and like literally you're conditioning sucked and he got you in he got you in better shape and you lost weight but you were weak right and you're like all right I want to get strong and he was like I don't know how to do that. Well he said he did and then he wasn't able to and you know and and it didn't work and then I found this and I really did enjoy the the results you know I'm still that way you know I like when it gets me you know I like I liked how effective it was I like fast we got results and in the first month in the first month I didn't have the same attitude about it that I do now I mean it's not that heavy. So did you enjoy it the first month or was it like frustrating the form and stuff? Well no you know in the first month it's not heavy enough that your form matters and that much you know. Sure. Well did you even know that it was yeah but you were kind of trying to coach yourself and then you were coming to see me like once every whatever two or three months. I don't think I started this in November I don't think I saw you until February. Right and then I didn't start online coaching you till the following up till that October or something so we I maybe coach you twice or something in person and then after the second time I think you called me and like hey you do online coaching or like something like that. All right so you're so it's okay so it's it's decent the first month for you. No you weren't really nervous because the weight wasn't heavy. No not too much not too much you know I just did five pound jumps on the squat in particular I remember that you know I'm like I'm in no hurry you know. Were you training at a at kind of a globally gym or training? No it was a it was a local it was a local gym kind of on the global model okay but they had you know a couple squat racks and you know not too bad it was one of these places attached to like a physical therapist group you know okay it was it was all right and I trained with one of my buddies and we would roll out and we would start at I think oh 600 and do our stuff and I like it when civilians use military time. It's good. Do you use military time because your dad forced you to do that growing up? Was that like a no dad did not but it's because it's clean man it works all right that's fair but you know that first month it wasn't that terribly heavy and and I was getting you know I was getting results the thing works in that first month like I said that first four weeks is not that bad um for an older guy that's taking you know smaller jumps you know I didn't start with a heavy heavy weight I think my first squat session was probably 85 um because I didn't I didn't have a coach and I'm like you know I don't see any sense you know running this up to 145 which would have been challenging at the time you know. Sure. So I started low and and I was going slow. You make increases so fast that I got like you can kind of do the math and go well if I'm gonna do this three times a week I'm gonna add 15 pounds per week it's not gonna I'm gonna blink and it's gonna be heavy. Yeah you can start with body weight squats and you it's heavy and fast enough. So that's the way I did it but you know here it is all these years later and I get you know 10 pounds of squat PR a year or something like that you know and you know wants my tonnage to get that you know it's not as high it's not as high as yours but you know it's a lot of work you know I'm out there you know. By the way I don't know that that's true I think that I'm one of the things that's maybe colored my lens as a as a programming coach for a while is it to this day like 20 20 plus years of training god 23 years of training um I still lift heavy I I enjoy lifting heavy and my volume is relatively I talk about that workout I did yesterday yesterday I worked up I I pressed 265 yesterday pretty easy and then I pressed 225 for one set of five back off right and then I benched and I and I benched like Mr. Hamburg has told me to I benched with no explosion no and just very smooth up and down so as to not rattle my pictorials from the from the bone and I benched 315 for eight and slow and smooth and steady you know no throw and and then I went out and did did kind of a circuit of actually I did a bunch of lat pull downs and four sets of lat pull downs and I did a circuit of biceps and triceps and I got out I felt I felt great I mean I you know it was I just loved it I love to train my my buddy was over here Don who uh who I train some in person and train some online and I just had a blast doing it but that's still you but you think about like how much tonnage is that for me so I did a single on the press and then one back offset of five that's one set of eight yeah on the bench press and and that was my pressing for the day and so it's possible that your tonnage is higher than mine over the course of a year uh even though my probably probably you know and I you know I don't I don't like it I mean the squats are miserable you know when I'm at depth my bottom rib hits my thigh um I almost can't it's almost impossible for me to keep it over my midfoot when I'm at depth I mean just because the way I'm built it almost like mechanically the damn thing just almost I can't keep it yeah can't keep it in over my midfoot so um as I get tired I end up rolling the bar farther and farther down my back right so I can keep it over my midfoot and it's just it's just you know there's just nothing fun about it there's like your Scott can let us thoracic round which he's he's hunchbacked anyway you can actually completely have a flexed thoracic spine and and the bar doesn't go forward because it's below the round because it's on the bottom of my shoulder blade that's right that's it's on the top of your erector muscles basically I I can enjoy deadlifting every now and then you know but it's just it's just heavy it's a lot of work and uh you know where I come from that's just not a lot of fun yeah but I like what it gets me well let me ask you this so let's let's do you have you ever done manual labor I mean well I mean I know you've done manual labor like when you like when you were had the construction company and you were building shit and stuff and like when you actually had to get into a hard day of work did you ever enjoy that or were you like now this sucks too now there's some of that there's some of that stuff I enjoyed okay but you know and people you know there are people out there that work hard all day for sure sure there are people that work hard all day they might be you know stone masons and you know who knows hard work but they're not doing five sets of five squats you know all day sure you know in the 300s they're not doing that no it's it's right what we do in the weight room for an hour is clearly the hardest thing you're going to do physically it's one of them you know you can't it's probably the hardest thing you can consistently do physically right you could go out and run a marathon which maybe is harder physically but you can't run a marathon two days later right I mean you know so um yeah I don't know I just I the thing I struggle with is I'm often sitting here at the desk doing work and I'm like man I need to train but I got this work I need to do and I and I have a hard time getting motivated to get up and go put my training clothes on and walk into the gym but once I'm there I tend to really like it I just enjoy the training I think for me it's a it's a good stress reliever it's kind of a nice out I feel better afterwards unless I don't which occasionally with my hips or something but um upper body I usually do and and you know deadlift I what's weird is is that my squat and deadlift if my if my hips are really bothering me uh that can be a really sort of depressing day when I come out like the other day I I squatted I worked I worked up I was gonna work up pretty heavy I worked up to like low four seven four four ten or something and my left hip was just catching like it just it was I don't know how to describe it any other way it was just something was caught in the hip and I'm having a bag and I mean I like it like it was getting worse between the sets you know and it was getting flame that was frustrated but uh but on the other end of the spectrum if I have a good squat and deadlift workout I think it's one of the most satisfying things that I can that I can do if I get finished and I you know I hit good numbers and the workout went well and my hips felt okay and I stayed over midfoot and then afterwards then I go to deadlift and my back is not so smoked from the squats and I'm able to deadlift okay like that's a that's a really satisfying day I enjoy it so you know it's weird I've always said I I really enjoyed competition too have you you've done uh like you you've done competitions like with shooting and other like other things right did you enjoy the competitive aspect of that or not really no I don't care what anybody else does you know it's like me and then a bunch of other people that day like I just don't care at all about that other people exist yeah yeah I mean I think that's a difference yeah I like oh this guy's a better you know clay shooter I don't even care yeah like in fact he's a problem for me that day because if there was nobody there I could shoot my clays faster right yeah that makes sense yeah yeah there was something to me training and and the competition are completely different mindsets like I when I train I really enjoy training I enjoy it for the for the for the work itself for the training itself competition which I haven't done in a while but I I actually enjoyed the I think I enjoyed kind of being on the platform the spotlight having the having some some pressure put on you it's more pressure right you get up there in front of everybody especially when I was in my strongman days and there were like you know a couple thousand people there watching um you know they get your heart rate going and so um so it it was good but yeah I've always been motivated to do it I enjoy it so so I'm one of these people where I I love getting coached in individual sessions right so actually let me let me put it this way I love people to coach me I love being coached but I do not want you to program for me right I've never wanted people to program for me I programed is fine right and I don't I don't screw up my own programming like a lot of people will do like there's a lot of really good coaches out there they're great programmers who can't program for the self themselves because they get in their own head that's not me but I I like having somebody coach me in form um but I don't I'm one of those people like charity talked about that I'm just wired to be competitive at everything I kind of want to be the I just want to get in there and hammer it whereas you're like a spoonful of sugar makes it so so then charity would cue a person like you or people who take their training like medicine she would her cues are more positive more encouraging is that the idea or no you know what I don't know we hadn't talked about that part we've just really been talking about the programming oh so that you've talked about how the programming changes but not necessarily how the coaching in real time changes necessarily yeah and of course it makes the programming change well I think it makes sense that the programming would be different because the goals are actually different at that point sure they don't have to be different like you're going to be they don't have to be significantly different like if you're on a a four-day split you're going to be in the gym four days a week you know right and if you've been doing this for four or five years and even if you're doing it for medicine you know yeah as a preventative you know you want the results so you're going in there and holding your nose and doing it well you're going to be there four days a week so you know you might as well get get what's the best the most from it is that you can but I don't I don't want to be in a constant state of fatigue yeah like maybe she's willing to be yeah you're by the way this this story came from the fact because charity is wired to be competitive like she wants to go out there and beat everybody and she also wants to set PRs for herself but she's she's very motivated to train and seems to right I mean that's yeah so you guys were talking about this because you you two lie on opposite ends of the spectrum yeah yeah so we were talking about we were talking about it just she and I and and about you know client her clients in particular so I don't have a timeline you know I don't have like you know she's going to nationals in November she's got a she's got a goal she's working towards there that's weighing on her heavily and if an individual session just you know ain't working out for me I don't care right you know she's chasing numbers every single she's chasing numbers every single workout she has a bad workout she's behind yeah and I've been I've been way over scheduled too lately I kept having a hard time getting four in and you know if I don't know you just don't care right over scheduled way over scheduled yeah and but if I don't get four in that week I just don't care you know and somebody that you're if you're programming for somebody like that's frustrating as hell you know they're constantly screwing stuff up you're moving things around on the calendar you don't know what's going on you know it's a it's a big problem but uh yeah I just god damn I just don't like it I could I could I don't know how many other ways to say that but well for you know for me when I program people who are naturally competitive and want to chase after things and you I just think you could push a little harder on them sure on the programming itself whereas for people who aren't that way then you're you're really managing fatigue and recovery more than you're pushing real hard on the stress yeah Brett McKay hit a a 320 bench press yesterday I had him programmed for 310 to 315 so he knows like which I rarely give a range like that but he's getting ready to go on vacation for for three weeks and and so I need to kind of push to try to get him so okay I was gonna let him have one more workout then go for a pr and uh he knew he's trained under me long enough he knew like he could push like if it's there it's there so he took it took 320 and got it yesterday that's perfectly good so he got his pr hit a 225 press last week at your house yeah and uh you know 320 bench press and so he's one of those guys that's just naturally just super motivated um he's also one of those guys he doesn't like doing it though I mean I get a text at least once a week he's like I don't want to do this yeah but I actually think he's more like me though I think he doesn't I think he gets to work in and he doesn't want to go in there and do it but then once he actually starts training he's also written a bunch about how much he really enjoys training yeah and that's why he's stuck with it for so long so I'd be interested to know which one he he says he is um and he has days like me too where he goes in and it's just a super fun day and he's having a blast and he's listening to music in there and then there's other days you can tell he just you know blue collar day man you're just hitting that punch card and getting in getting out and I have those days too like if everything hurts and feels like shit uh you didn't sleep well you're stressed or whatever like sometimes that's that's what you gotta do so I can't even I can't even fathom how I could possibly be excited about and and enjoy a day where my squats are like three triples like heavy triples and then I had to go deadlift and then squat again like I just oh yeah there's no universe where yeah a handbrick enjoys that yeah I probably wouldn't enjoy that either that's too that's too much for you I don't want to do it but that's that's when I'm at you know if I'm gonna get a show or you know I gotta be doing that kind of crap yeah yeah yeah no man I agree uh you know when I have people that I have quite a few clients that compete and I think of the clients that compete I think they're kind of split down the middle between people who'd like do it because they know they need to compete and it kind of turns their training up versus ones who are internally really motivated and competitive and uh I handle them different at competitions you know at people who are like super competitive if they go if they get in there and they go five for nine or six for nine and set prs they're fine and there are other people who are that kind of like man I'm you know I don't really like doing this I'm just gonna get in there well my wife is like that my wife was really you know she was really strong and she hates competition she hates it yeah and um I had to plan for her to go nine for nine because she needed that mentally because if she missed an attempt what it did to her on a mental aspect was was difficult so it's yeah that really changes things as well so yeah so you know you're probably listening to this and you're probably identifying with with one of us to go like no I really enjoy like it doesn't mean like if you really enjoy training like we do it doesn't mean you enjoy every single session and there's definitely I think there's always sessions that you're like man I just don't want to do this just like I hey I really enjoy my job I actually really enjoy getting up in the morning and breaking down videos for online clients I really do like yeah three and a half years later I enjoy it but there are definitely more like this morning we started recording at 6 6 a.m 0 600 as you say yeah so I got about 4 45 and started breaking down videos I did not want to break down videos at 4 45 this morning so that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy my job in the same way that I enjoy training there are definitely days from late I do not want to train or I even go in the gym and I get training and I'm like this sucks I don't want to do this at all but but most of the time I actually really enjoy the process so maybe you're listening to this and you're like that or maybe you're like like Scott is or like my wife and you're like man I just know I need to do it it's just good for me and and I need to do this and I need to I need to also say this is one of the things that I prefer least among the things that I will do right you know what I mean there's a constellation of stuff that I won't even touch that yeah sure I'm not going to run probably you're not going to go to baby shower right I mean there's so many things there's an infinite number of things that I won't do so this is um and I would dislike all of those more than the things that I do do yeah right it's a good yeah you know so this you know it's not like I feel like I'm drinking poison every day or something like that but yeah it's uh and I clearly and I clearly believe in it and benefit know I benefit from it and you know I like training with my wife I like being out there with my wife I like being out there with my brother-in-law and my father-in-law you know when we train and of course clearly I like thinking about it you know yeah like you know about the different aspects of what we do whether it's the movement or the programming and just so there's a lot about it I really enjoy it but when it's time for me to go squat you know some 95% triple or whatever you know coming up on a on an end of a you know training cycle you're not you're not happy about it not happy about it fuck I love it 95% true now at the beginning of block if I have to do five sets of five or six sets of five there is nothing that I could do to make me enjoy that like well no but how but here's the thing when you're an advanced athlete oh you have to and how much of your time is spent in that a lot yeah probably 50% yeah you know and then and it and then it's a everything that isn't you know this sort of you know high volume accumulation whatever you know is a gradient between maybe as many as 35 reps in a training session to down to a single so even though you know you're talking about maybe five by fives early you're still looking at four by fours four by fives and then in the weeks after that yeah you're gonna spend 80% of your time you know doing multiple fives yep which isn't very fun no and why we've argued from the beginning that like I would rather I don't know that anybody enjoys that I don't think charity enjoys that does she do it five sets of five no she she says all the time and she's like man i'll do triples and force like until the earth cools and so that's why I think we argue a lot of times for holding off on that as long as you can like the day comes when you have to get there yeah but until you have to get there like you know but and how many people actually get to the point that I'm at though where they have to do as much work as I'm doing and they actually get to the thing where they they actually bust their butt and they're in there you know five ten pound a year pr range you know not not that many but but one of the impacts I think of having so many clients now at BLOC is that we started to see this issue you know eighteen months ago with really helping our coaches learn how to do programming for intermediates in advance because everybody that came to online coaching was a novice and if we did a good job as coaches and the churn stayed low and people stayed at some point they're no longer a novice and so do we know how to actually deal with that well I mean I I think it's the same thing here I think as more and more people go through this thing and actually stick with it and we provide coaches to them then you more more of those people actually get to the point where you're at where they actually do have to do some volume or they really do have to do sets of three at 95% or 93 or whatever and so you know it's certainly more than it was two years ago when we started the podcast so you know I think it's I think it's valuable and I think it works for any of you know I think this mindset piece works for anybody whether that's somebody who's coming in on their first month or certainly once they're in that second month of LP and it starts to get hard you know week seven week eight week nine you know you're going to start to recognize are you somebody that enjoys it or not wait I've told this a couple stories like this before where I've I've had people at in online coaching who came in and and trained for you know three to six months and made phenomenal progress and then quit yep and I was like what whoa you know I took it personal I mean people who are my clients and I said what you know what's what is everything okay that oh no no no the service is great coaching's great I've made incredible progress I just hate it yep that's what they say I'm like you hate what like I hate lifting I hate going to the gym I hate putting a bar on my back I'm I'm not going to do that okay that's that's that person can't you know I can't save that person that's not so I had Sean Richardson you know he's been on the show Sean's Sean's where I'm at you know he has to do a lot of work to get a PR in a given year and and he and I had a phone call and he said you know I don't want to do that it's too much work all right so we program him some maintenance he says now come September 1st we'll run back up right we'll run back up he's like I can't just I can't just keep keep working and keep working and keep working I'm just I don't want to do it you know he's like the weather it's summer the weather's good I could be doing these other things like drinking beer at the pub which is his favorite yeah which is favorite but I get it sure and and I think that for somebody that's advanced like he is and maybe like I am he's still trying outside too yep yeah well that I mean that makes a difference too right the summertime you're out there and it's hot not to him he didn't care he's like a he's like a cow dog he doesn't care if he's inside or outside I think that's funny but I think there's something to be said also for actually for somebody that's as advanced as he is or you are or whatever to actually just cool it for three months sure I mean I think that it could actually have some some good effects when you say cool it you don't mean not train right no he's doing he's doing he's not doing one lift a day but he's not doing a lot yeah he's he's never been happy with his press and uh you know he's I think he's pressing three times a week but the other things he's not doing you know much yeah and you know come September 1st we'll put the pedal down again but he's certainly not squatting crazy you know three times a week yeah I have this question I asked this question a lot of my of my clients I've had for a long time if I've had a client for a year plus you can start to see the the grind of the training and the number chasing start to take a toll on them not not just physically although often physically too but emotionally and mentally and a lot of times I just ask them like hey what do you want to do like what how do how do we make training fun right now I've had that I've had that question for you before and the answer is you can't no you can't yeah I just there is no like so if you're again if you're one of those medicine people then you're like maybe there isn't anything hey how can we make loading these engine blocks in the back of that truck well I get it you know but you know I mean like my my wife my wife is definitely a medicine type person she does not enjoy the train but she enjoyed doing sort of crossfit type stuff and she enjoyed doing it with me and she enjoyed getting her heart rate up and she enjoyed losing some weight and like those sorts of things she actually really enjoyed and I think I don't think she enjoys lifting heavy at all like I think she's the opposite of me where she would rather not lift heavy and she would rather just do like conditioning and stuff now remember I'm talking about for the you know we haven't talked about my wife in a while but my wife has squatted 350 and she and she deadlifts 403 and bench presses 230 or has in the past and so she's she's real strong or has been real strong but she just doesn't enjoy that style of training and so for her as she starts to come back you know sociability is important for her she wants to train with somebody else especially another female often and she wants to do some conditioning at the end and she wants to feel like she got hot and sweaty and exercise like she likes that and that's okay because for her that's a step into towards getting stronger again and for me it's like I just want to get in there and lift heavy I just don't want to do any volume and if I do do volume I'd rather do it with accessory movements and not I I have no desire to squat 20 plus reps of squat ever in a workout ever I'll never do it and I mean I have lots of clients are doing 30 35 reps in a squat workout right but 20 I'm never doing 20 in a squat workout ever again for the rest of my life I'll never do 20 reps in a squat workout ever because I hate it because my hips won't work because I won't enjoy and for me at this point as old as I am I need to enjoy training it doesn't mean that everything I do in training has to be fun it's not like there's still my deadlift I still have these I've taught to you before these kind of maybe potentially delusions of grandeur that I can I can still set deadlift PRs I think I've got a deadlift PR coming down the road for me and that's going to require some training that I don't want to do yep I'm gonna have to do stuff like you know deadlift you don't have to do quite the same volume you do other stuff but you know stuff like four sets of four or like a top set of four and three back off sets of four like I like some of that stuff for debts yeah sucks let me pull a single walk out go right here yeah I think I think my press is similar to yours your squat you know your your hips hurt you know yeah like if you actually had to do 25 reps of squat I wouldn't do a squat for two more weeks yeah he's a walker yeah you know and in doing the doing the heavy press work you know I pressed what did I press 220 yep six weeks ago it just wrecked me man it wrecked me for for a month yeah well let me let me ask you this question so we've done that podcast about motivation over discipline that we talked about there was really Brett McKay wrote that article and so you see a lot of this a lot of these guys preaching discipline over over motivation and we're not anti-discipline guys we're definitely all about discipline but how do you equate that motivation over discipline piece for you personally when it comes to actually training well my posture if I don't train my posture is so bad I can't eat I mean you know there are so many benefits that I get from doing the training right that that the motivation is the benefit for you yeah and that's the thing that's what charity's talking about you know it's medicine you know I'm motivated to take my medicine sure you know professor Paul's motivated to go through his radiation yeah right row nobody wants to do radiation or chemotherapy but you have to because it gets rid of the cancer yeah and you know and this isn't chemotherapy for me you know it's not you know that bad I mean I like I said there's a whole bunch of stuff I won't do at all and so this is one of my one of these things that I get least excited about among the things that I do choose to do yeah I mean so I'm clearly still motivated to do it but I'm not motivated because it's heavy I think you're motivated because it is heavy I am for sure I'm not I enjoy it no I agree yeah you think about how many people do recreational activities for fun that you and I would never like I'm never going to go play golf I'll never play golf again yeah I've got some friends that play golf and like man we should go play golf I'm like that just doesn't I can't not interested I played golf years ago I'm not interested never playing golf again I don't want I don't want to fish I used to I used to fish because my dad I would fish my dad but I the motivation to fish was that I got to hang out with my dad not because I enjoyed fishing I've never enjoyed fishing you know my family would go up to Canada at the lake of the woods and go fishing for smallmouth bass and crappie and lake trout and stuff like that have fun and I enjoy that you know that it was honestly it's like a 21-hour road trip up there we'd run a big van and that was the fun part the fun part was sitting in the boat with my grandpa and my great uncle and hearing stories about them being on the police force in the 50s like that's that's that's why I went not to fish although the fishing was pretty good in Canada too because you can catch stuff all the time but and so for me I'm not going to do any of those things I'm not into sports I'm not going to play fantasy football I've done all those things but I just don't have any I don't get any joy out of any of those things and I don't think there's any for me there's no medicine to it right like it's not fantasy football doesn't make my life better in any way golf doesn't and I'm not saying it doesn't for anybody like there's some people I'm sure that go play golf that need that as a stress relief that they've chosen to do that thing they really enjoy I've told this story before my my brother was when his business which is much much much bigger than my business when his business was really blowing up and and there was a lot of stress he really got into distance running and it what he had he didn't compete at it he didn't care it was for him as like he would have his wife driving like 15 miles outside of town and just drop him off with a lot of the old railroad tracks have been paved over and he'll and he would just run home but how much in an audio book and how much of that is the actual running and then how much of it is I don't have my phone no one can get to me yeah I think there's a lot of that actually I think he usually would have his phone because he would listen to audiobooks while he would run but he would turn on do not disturb and keep it in his you know pocket whatever but yeah it was that I'm sure it was just that so my approach would be to just turn my phone off and not run sure yeah me too but I he got something out of it so and I am I try to be careful with my clients that say I saw you say this the other day on slack I can't remember what the question was about who it was that wanted to do something and you're like hey if you want to do it do it man we'll work around it I mean no it's going to take away from your training but you know if you want to run like you really get something out of run you really get something out of playing men's basketball league on Tuesdays and Thursday nights like okay you know we're not here to be a dream crusher if that's something that you really enjoy I don't want to tell you to stop doing the thing you really enjoy but you have to understand that there's only so much stress your body can handle and so that it's gonna it will adjust your programming so but man I think it's important that people are doing stuff they enjoy right like you've got to do something like that so yeah you enjoy I don't require activities to enjoy myself sure you know I think there's I think I'm able to enjoy a state of being okay and I don't have to go do something necessarily there are some people that have to do stuff yeah you know and I think that they probably lack something that would allow them to sit in a chair and enjoy themselves yeah I think that I don't know that I can enjoy myself doing something at all in general but my most enjoyable thing is actually doing nothing because it's so rare that I like I sit in a chair reading a book eating good food smoking a pipe having a glass of whiskey those are things I really enjoy because it's a lack of activity right and then there are some activities I enjoy but it's always it's almost always when I really enjoy right it's all again it's all it's always you know for what it gets me it's not the doing it's rarely the doing but on a positive note you know I love what it gets me yeah I don't have to watch my food every single moment of my life for the rest of my days I mean that's just that's just sheer misery so I go squat three times a week maybe or something like that but I eat I eat you know whatever it is 21 to 28 times a week you know and you know squatting's a small small price to pay to be able to kind of let go of the reins on the food you know that's true you know my posture is so bad if I don't train you know that's a it's a big big problem sweep sleep quality is bad if I don't train that's miserable yeah hip pain my hips hurt a lot if I don't squat yeah I get bursitis in my hip and it just hurts and hurts and hurts and just a deep ache if I don't squat and so you know I get I get lots of good from it and um and I'll keep coming back and I like a lot it gets me you know I like to be the kind of person that can do these kinds of things I definitely find it worth worthwhile but in the moment like yuck yeah it's good so there you are you're listening to the show you're one of the two of us you either like it or you don't but we get our work done no matter what and I think the takeaway there is if you're if you're somebody that's that really doesn't enjoy training then you you think about why you do it and you stay motivated because what it gets you what it achieves and if you enjoy training it's easy because you enjoy training so you get out there and train and you still get the benefit you get the same benefits so yeah what do you want what do you want to be what do you want to pick if you pick what do you want to be if I had to be one or the other yeah well of course I'd rather be motivated why would you why why would you want to be not motivated at train um it can probably lead to a little mania oh sure okay that's fair you know because we have x amount of tension of attention you know you're gonna live 85 years if you're lucky and you got x amount of attention so you know where do you want it well I mean I think for some people we we've mentioned this before that they are there are a lot of addictive personalities that get very addicted to fitness and this lifting and strength peace yeah and sometimes those people were real bad addicted to drugs or alcohol or eating disorders or whatever it is and and certainly fitness is probably a better place to to put that bullet but it doesn't mean that it's healthy still like right like I think any any amount of addiction or mania was something I've definitely been there you know I mean that's really the reason like from 97 to 2005 or so and that was it's my whole life so but you know if I could go back and do it over again I don't know that I would change but there's you know there are certainly things in my life that I would change but in general I think if you ask I mean I don't think we would be where we are I don't think we'd have this company I don't think we'd be able to train these people and I sort of had to for me I had to put in those years of sort of just like reading everything I get my hands on and just being like crazy into it and yeah that's your 10,000 hours there that's right you can't you know how easy is it to get 10,000 hours without some level of mania right there that's tough man and so I still love it you know it's the one thing I've I've done I've been I've been passionate about things throughout my life and and the lifting you know I really got into in like 96 97 and so it's you know 22 23 years now and I'm just as passionate about today or even more so than I was then you know I just I don't know I love it so this is definitely what I've been put on the earth to to do these things and to change people's lives with this thing I don't again I don't think that this thing is I don't think the strength is the most important thing in life I think that there are other things that are more important but I do think it's it's a general way to help people and I think we're good at it and so it's been a joy to do it and I I like helping other people do it and it's been fun doing it for myself so yeah I like helping other people do it for sure I like I like that that aspect of it very much and you know I probably like it I I like training more than I'm letting on here at this point but well there's another barbell logic podcast go leave us a review we've got a long long review it's almost like one of coop's garage gym reviews on grief and it's like he gave us five stars but man it's like a it's like a 1200 word review oh wow it's like really breaks the show down he uh yeah he does a great job there he says Mr. Hamburg's personality really comes through during the fitness inspiration episodes where he's clearly impressed with people who refuse to be constrained blah blah blah when answering what I perceive to be Mr. Hamburg's definition of a legitimate lister question he's careful in his explanations and avoids ambiguity as much as possible uh I he says I suspect that this is a learned trait from managing people anyway so yeah I like if you read those yeah also send those questions to questions at barbell hyphen logic.com and we'll get those in an upcoming show talk to you guys soon sucks