 Good evening everyone Before we start the meeting as always madam city clerk, please read the court for the week. Thank you When you are faced with choices you can achieve your dreams without sacrificing your integrity Thank you very much The Common Council order, please call the roll Boren here Bauch excuse Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clowness Meyer Montmaire Rindfleisch Ryan siric Vanderweel for hassled excuse and wongamon 13 present quorum is present at this time Omen wongamon, which police lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it's One nation under God With liberty and justice for all Thank you very much omen wongamon next item on the agenda is pool of minutes present Hannah. Thank you, mr.. Mayor I make the motion to approve the minutes motion and second to approve minutes under discussion There is not all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries minutes stand approved Public forum madam city clerk. Thank you first on our list is Tina thurs Could you come up to the mic, please and I need your home address 2020 south 13th Street 2020 south 13th. Yes Okay, and you will have five minutes, okay Hi, my name is Tina thurs, and I'm here to talk with you about agenda item 17-31 Which is the creation of the position of lead secretary court services within the Sheboygan police department My intent is to ensure that when you are making your decision You're making an informed decision regarding the new position Briefly about me. I have been with the police department for 18 years the last nine years I've been the court services secretary during this tenure. I've come to know the workings of the court system in Sheboygan rather Well, I think that when you're looking at likely candidates to take over the administration of the office You need to look less at formal education and more at the employee as a whole What skills and experience are they bringing to the table? The court service office consists of two people since January of this year It's been the lieutenant of administrative services and myself prior to that the office was run by the sergeant of court services Which was? Eliminated upon his retirement in December of 2007 the administrative lieutenant is retiring at the end of this month And as a cost-saving measure the department is now looking to have two civilian employees operate the office eliminating any sworn officers within the division The work performed in the office is very paperwork intense The function of it is to act as a liaison between the police department and the court systems as well as the attorney's offices Which would be both prosecuting and defense attorneys the level of knowledge required is not book learned It can only be learned on the job anyone who has assisted in our office will tell you that this is not a job learned in a day It's not a job learned in a week So the one that takes day in day out working in the office it takes frequent and persistent Subversion into our little world My understanding and I don't have a copy of what may or may not have been given to you as to the specs for the job But my understanding is that the specs for this position as submitted to you by salaries and grievances Doesn't match what was submitted to them by the police department The position was brought to the committee as a job within the AFSC me 1564 bargaining unit It was proposed to be a Class grade 10 a step above the current secretarial position in court services I am told that it has been presented to you as a non rep position But there's nothing within the job description that would qualify creating it as such The position was created with the intent of providing someone within the office to ensure that operations will continue to serve the department At the level that they have become accustomed to Clearly the city would benefit from hiring from within to achieve this It is meant to be a lead position not a supervisory one both employees would be answering to an as of yet undetermined supervisors Indisputably this fits within the guidelines for making this a union position The salary and grievance committee also chose to add the requirement that a qualified candidate must have a bachelor's degree There was no specification as to what that degree must be and the only reasons that could be provided Where that due to the level of the salary that was being offered They would need someone with a degree and also to ensure the level of professionalism that the position would require a Degree would be a prerequisite. I don't know if I should be offended or amused by this statement Without a doubt a person's ability to portray themselves as a professional does not rely on how much time they've logged in a classroom I'm not trying to minimize the importance of this position or the responsibility that it entails There are dozens of judgment calls that are made on a daily basis But certainly a degree is not required to successfully perform this job To be honest the person who has been performing this job since January holds no degree and Lieutenant Rinefeld would be the first to admit that she's the ones signing the letters But the operation of the office would never have been successfully performed this year without me there to do it There's nothing within the job description to qualify the education requirements suggested by the salary and grievances And furthermore it bears mention that the position that this is replacing Which was a sergeant or a lieutenants position did not require as much education as they are now asking for Let me also inform you that there is no reference manual in court services It's located inside my head That's kind of scary for people who know if you choose to insist on the educational requirement Not only will you be eliminating from eligibility the most qualified candidate But you will be requiring me to again train someone to be my boss In conclusion, I would like to point out that in checking some of the local college catalogs I was unable to find a degree in discipline integrity maturity or responsibility These are all qualities that are required to be a successful candidate Wouldn't it serve the city better particularly during this time of change and uncertainty to go with candidates who are tried and true Someone who can ensure the transition period will go smoothly Someone who has already been performing the job for a year Someone who has a well-established report with the local judiciary community I would also like to invite you if the boat is not taken tonight. Excuse me Tina. Would you like your extra minute? I have just a few percent go ahead if you do not take the boat tonight I would invite you to ask myself or Lieutenant Rinefeld any pertinent questions regarding the day-to-day operations of the office You're more than welcome to come in and observe what happens there and assess for yourself Whether or not you feel that a college degree is required to run this office. Thank you for your time. Thank you And last on the list would be Mike Williams and Mike. Can you pull the mic up close to you, please? That's great, and I need your home address, please. It's a 1815 maple tree Road, Howard's Grove And you will have five minutes. Thank you. Thank you mayor council members I wish you speak about the wellness committee The mission of your wellness committee is to promote an effective and proactive wellness program that fosters the long-term health and Promotes a healthy lifestyle for our family of city workers retirees and dependents In return for a healthier lifestyle and better choices The city of Sheboygan will see savings in their health insurance costs smaller medical claims and less people missing work due to health related issues As you are aware on November 15th The city of Sheboygan partnered with Sheboygan County and the Sheboygan area school district and held its first annual health fair at Blue Harbor Resort Over 400 employees and family members attended this event 47 vendors participated in the health fair and provided many door prizes In addition local organizations provided wellness activity and tips in the wellness arena Thank you to all the sponsors and vendors who helped make our health fair a success And thank you to all the people that came to our health fair I would also like to thank mayor Perez all the persons Meyer Montemire and Syrac for their attendance This shows your commitment to the well-being of the city employees and support for the efforts of your wellness committee In a relatively short period of time your wellness committee has found and implemented a number of programs designed to get people more active and To look at their lifestyles with a hope of change for the better We have started a virgin health miles program bike and walk to work week Let's get physical Sheboygan and the first annual health fair Through virgin health miles. We've had a fun challenge that involved over 70 of our employees and family members in January We are now looking at a new program with lighten up, Wisconsin. This is a 100-day program It's a statewide challenge with the goal of losing weight and getting more active Virgin health miles has agreed to coordinate a challenge with their health miles program during this time I would like to challenge each and every council member to participate with city employees family and retirees during this period We will set up a challenge between the mayor and older persons and city employees. This will be on a prorated basis Show your commitment to the employees and their families and participate in the upcoming challenge More information about this will be forthcoming in the near future I would also like to take this opportunity to recognize all the person Jean kiddison The main reason your wellness committee has been able to provide these different programs is because of her dedication to a healthier Sheboygan Without her endless energy and efforts We would not have been able to provide and begin so many programs in this short period of time It's been a pleasure working with you and I thank you for your passion for wellness and for all you are doing to make our Family healthy. Thank you for your time Thank You Michael That's it next item on the agenda's consent agenda President inna. Excuse me. Just bear bear with me There's a I believe the the the meeting is being televised but not aired live So I'll say that we did get we did have noticed that it's not being viewed right now live We're hoping that it is being televised so we can televised at a later time The reason being that we're experiencing some difficulties with charter cable It's it has nothing to do with our equipment. They've come in and checked it. We've checked it That's just the way it is So at the moment, I would hope that Kerry who's behind will let us know if we do come live and So it all was aware of that but in the meantime, it's not being televised Consent agenda all in one thing. I already do wish to say something. Yes Thank You your honor on agenda item number 1710 in the consent agenda part Can we simply hold that one until the group health insurance committee meets? I'm sorry. Hold it till when hold it until the insurance committee meets Whenever that may be You need to refer it back to the health insurance committee You don't want to you want to refer it back whichever way works so that we don't file it tonight It'll be 1710. Please make a notation. We'll be referred back to the health Insurance committee. Thank you. Okay Thank you Thank You, mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion that all our O's with the exception I'm sorry all our O's be placed on accepted and placed on file and all our C's with the exception of 1710 the accepted and adopted second Second Well, we need a second somebody's okay second now The the communication from mr. Barron's was referred to the finance committee and finance committee did refer it to the group health insurance So it's appropriate that it that this also that All of our persons Monta mayors referral is appropriate because if we filed it it would kill the documents So it's good that it's going that she's referring it to a group health insurance the same as financed it. Thank you All my under discussion on the consent agenda all the room flesh. Thank you Just a point of order. I asked that the motion to also include the resolutions we put upon the passage We skip that we had the RO's and the RC's Thank You mayor, I just wanted to say on my communication to I wanted to thank Alderman Vander wheel for being at the health fair as well So thank you On the consent agenda item 17 one through 1713 except in 1710 under discussed further discussion There is none, please call the roll born Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clioness Mayer Monta mayor Rin Flesch Ryan Suric Vander wheel and Wongamon 13 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 1714 to be referred report of officers to 1715 through 1723 to be referred Resolutions introduced 3 1724 through 1728 to be referred Report of committee 6 1729 by a public works Recommendant entering into agreement with the town of Wilson for the purpose of a dog park and passing the attached substitute resolution All myer. Thank you, Your Honor. Can we also take 1730 with this? Well, you need to separate separate motions is okay I have a motion to accept and adopt the RC and put the substitute resolution upon its passage Motion and second under discussion Under discussion, I would like to also add 1730 to this to accept and adopt the result though That's fine. We can do that. You know what I second to that we can do that under further discussion my present bar Thank you, Your Honor. I Just wondering if if there was a on the items the bullet points of this document that the city will provide the following There's quite a list of them there Was there any price tag attached to any of these items so that we know what our participation is going to cost? Oh my thank you, Your Honor. Um, right now. We are just going to do some road work do some curbing and I'm not exactly sure The amount it was going to be minimal It's a paving paving. There's a if I may there's a Sliver of land that abuts the the old landfill site in that land that piece of land belongs to the city of Sheboygan What public works has agreed to do and spend a minimal amount of money is to pave it so that people have an opportunity to Have some parking next to it and that was the extent of the agreement other than sharing the land and so forth They had asked for initially they had asked for other commitments and the public works that did not approve of those commitments Anything else? All one month of my own Thank you, Your Honor having been around for the dog park issue for a while I say thank you town of Wilson for providing a Place for dogs to run and then asking us if we will join them. They're doing it is their land They're doing the fencing and they will let our dogs run in there. Thank you town of Wilson And this again heads off to Roger Miller and his board of the town of Wilson It's another good example of two different jurisdictions sharing services for the benefit of and will be another public anything else There is none. Please call roll Decker Yesha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rinfleshe Ryan Zurich Vanderweel Wongamon and boron Thirteen eyes motion carries ordinances introduced 10 1731 about them and Montemayor and Meyer amending the municipal code so as to create the job description and job code of the Lead secretary court services and delete the job description and job code of lieutenant administrative services all the month of my own Thank you, Your Honor. I would ask for a suspension Is there any objection to suspension and the reason for the suspension is so that the municipal court And judge Jellahunt has somebody there as soon as possible We simply need to change the job description and then it can be posted Okay, then I need a motion to put the ordinance upon its passage. I so move I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage Is there a second? Second under discussion Thank You mr. Mayer With suspending this You know we just just Had this This thurs come up this evening speaking on this and it was the first time I'd heard about it with the with the four-year bachelor degree I'm wondering Why now we're suspending the rules to push it through At this meeting I don't I don't agree with the suspension. I believe that possibly there should be some discussion between Now in the next meeting Obviously if His thurs has her way We will not have to go out and hire from the outside for this position, so I'm not going to agree with the suspension I would like to See some discussion take place on this before the next meeting all of them Ryan I did ask you for an opportunity to object to a suspension You did not the motion has been made in second to put the resolution upon his passage You're doing it after Well in that case, then I will not agree to put it on this passage. Thank you All my name flash Thank You your honor. I Guess I'd like to hear from the the committee Not that we've heard some of the concerns from Mrs. Thurs if someone from the committee could Express perhaps a different view of that or their take on that specifically to the four-year bachelor's degree requirement. Thank you Thank You Almond clayunas you're next would you like to have all my start Okay, I'm sorry did you wish to speak as a committee member? Yes. Thank you your honor. I voted no Sorry agreements for a number of reasons one is that I'm familiar with the job Being worked for the same number of years of familiar with with Tina I think that she's a natural for the position and a required degree for this position This doesn't as I'm concerned doesn't quite fit I Hear some from someone else in the committee who was sure we can have we can have all one month in my own then She chairs the committee. Thank you your honor. We discussed this for At our last at our last salary and grievance meeting and it is a well-paid position And it will be supervisory that was one of the reasons we felt it should be non-wrapped Instead of union because it will be supervising other people and that is also one of the reasons We wanted a person applying for this well-paid supervisory position to have a bachelor's degree Old man Gisha Thank you, your honor. I know that the committee has been working on this quite a bit and and I know from individuals coming up to me and actually made an appointment with me to Sing Tina's praises. I understand. She's a wonderful employee and does terrific work this position pays I believe between sixty eight and seventy thousand dollars a year and With benefits and everything and I think I understand if I understand the committee correctly That's a degree position for that amount of money And if it's going to be supervisory and it's going to get 70 grand a year out of the city coffers I think it's more than more than justified to ask for a degree if the Apparently the committee made a decision for it to be supervisory if it was going to be a lower level position With less money than I could see the opposite But I I think I understand the what the committee is doing here, and I and I certainly support it Thank you, I agree in terms of the income level as someone who is Going back to school to continue education. I understand importance of education in terms of moving forward However, we are looking someone who has one individual person who has a lot of experience I think the way we have it listed right now as a minimum qualification for your bachelor's degree Is eliminating one possible person that civil service can't even look at because it's a minimum minimum qualification Not to say that she would even get the position if there's other qualified candidates who do apply for the position As well, but I think that's something that we have a process in place with civil service Should at least look at the best candidate for the position Now we can disagree to see if the bachelor's is makes the best candidate or doesn't make the best candidate I'd like to see at least that for this this round of hire to become a minimum recommended Qualification versus a minimum qualification at least allows the gray area that if she chooses to apply for the position Civil service could look at her as a candidate instead of immediately tossing her out So I will make that motion to change number six Bullet point for your bachelor's degree to recommended versus required It is not a civil service position It's just not a civil service position. This is an internal position that doesn't go through civil service So just be hired through salary grievances then or through supervisor who would actually do the hiring and that's why the requirement we've gone through the issues before about college degrees Being the minimum qualification This is really nothing different that we've discussed before and support has been expressed in other instances where college degree Should be a minimal yeah, and well the clarification for me would wouldn't be you know I'm not I'm in support of having those requirements what it would be though. It would be Would she be able to apply for the position and would Solidary grievances even look at her application if we don't change That into a required or a recommended qualification versus required qualification And if as is she would not be able to apply for a position I think as that kind of goes against the grain of what it is to be an American is perhaps you didn't get the Education but she has the experience you work your way from the bottom work your way up We're telling her basically you can't do that and I think that's highly inappropriate So I would still like to look at even though it's not a salary grievances ability at least allow her to apply for the position by eliminating the four-year bachelor's degree as a minimum qualification that adding a a Recommended qualification for your bachelor's degree. Thank you. That's still an emotion Your second to that motion Under discussion on the amendment only to change Please read the change The change would be on page Two of the call minimal qualifications It would be a wreck four-year bachelor's degree recommended instead of being required Any more discussion on the please call room Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Siric Vanderweel Wongamon Warren Decker can't have a tie. There's only 13 here No, you got 14 here. Yeah 14. Yes, we have 14. We do have 14 One two three four five six seven. It's a tie. It's a tie. I vote no Okay, we'll move on with the The ordinance being put upon his passage. Please call the roll. Oh, I'm sorry Elman born present Thank you, mr. Chairman. I Support what was what was done in salary and grievance as far as requiring a four-year bachelor's degree It's not unusual at all in the private sector in this area that and and I appreciate experience And I and I have personal experience with this with my wife when she used to work at a cooler company She was passed over twice for a promotion in her department because she did not have a bachelor's A bachelor's degree However, she went back and got a bachelor's degree and then got their promotion Uh cooler company for example in certain positions It doesn't make any difference how much experience you have in order to be qualified for a promotion A degree is required and there are other companies in in in the city that that do the same thing So I appreciate the salary and grievance committee wanting to update this position to requiring a bachelor's degree Particularly because it's going to be a supervisory position. Thank you And Thank you, mr. Mayor A supervisory position It's my understanding and and correct me if i'm wrong That there are two people in this department the Person in charge and one other person um If if if that's what we're referring to as a supervisory position With I'm I'm kind of wondering here if we're missing the opportunity to Save the city some money By making this position such an elevated position Requiring a bachelor's degree and paying more money. Could we could we make it a lesser grade position? And not require the bachelor's degree and we already have a person trained and ready to go for it Um, I'm not going to I'm going to vote no on this And uh possibly look at it in a different light. Thank you Okay, uh, oh, let me get you. Sorry, uh, thank you your honor. Uh, just so I agree with alderman ryan regarding saving money. And actually that's what this does the current person in that position with various sundry overtime Uh, is well in excess. I believe at the end of 09 of 100 Dollars, I think it's closer to 115. So this is a substantial savings for the taxpayer Okay on uh 1731, please call roll hannah I Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Suric Vanderwheel Wongamon boron Decker Gisha 7 to 7 chair votes I Motion passes 1732 to be referred Matters laid over 11 1642 resolution 150809, which is not on your agenda Because please write that down resolution 150809 Bellman hannah established in the monthly premium equivalent rates for the medical benefit plan effective January 1st 2009 coverage President hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage second motion and second under discussion Please continue. Thank you I've probably received more phone calls on this topic Starting last night or about 6 30 Um Given the number of phone calls that I've received uh, I would Like to propose a motion to refer this to the insurance committee For them to meet on wednesday And then next monday Have a special council meeting to vote on this Lots of feedback on it And I just want to give people a chance to meet with the insurance committee to talk about it We I can refer it to the health insurance committee. We don't need a motion or something So is that your request? Yes refer that to the health insurance committee Um, I'll have to give thought to call in a special meeting though. Thank you. I've I've another May I continue? Yes. Okay. Thank you When they meet in their infinite wisdom if they would consider Waving the 30 day notice for our retirees Our retirees receive the letters on friday night And many of them that are judging whether they want to go with the city plan or not don't really have time And if they could get consideration to waiving that 30 day requirement, that would be appreciated. Very good I think that the committee will take that. Certainly take that into consideration. It's a reasonable request Anything else? Okay. We'll move on to other matters authorized by law 1733 an rc by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 33 22 based on the applicant's felony conviction manufacturer with intent to deliver marijuana and the nature of the violations and the number related to the license activity Making the applicant not qualified for the license. Nice president barn Thank you, your honor. I move that the report of the committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion under discussion your honor is Sean mayer here tonight He's not here your honor. Thank you. Please proceed Mr. Meyer appeared before our committee on november 25th And as you stated earlier the felony conviction for The the marijuana incident actually makes him ineligible for the license unless he could get a pardon from the governor Plus he has a numerous other Violations that are related to the license activity. So it was a unanimous decision by the committee to deny the license Thank you, president board Anything else? There is none. Please call roll kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rinflash ryan suric vander wheel wangeman boron decker geisha hannah and heidemann 14 eyes motion carries 1734 an rc by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 80 89 Based on the applicant's failure to cooperate with the committee and the nature of the violations and the number related to the license activity Which means the applicant is not qualified for the license president borne Thank you, your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion under discussion is jennifer webber here tonight She's not here your honor. Thank you. Please proceed Uh, miss webber was given two opportunities to appear before our committee the second one by certified mail She did not appear So therefore did not cooperate with the committee and then for the other reasons with her violations Uh, we voted unanimously not to grant the license. Thank you Any other discussion There is none. Please call the roll clayunas meyer montemayor rinflash ryan suric van der wheel wongamon boran hi decker gisha hannah heidemann and kittleson 14 eyes motion carries 1735 an rc by law and licensing Recommend and granting various licenses vice president borne One more time Thank you, your honor. Uh, I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion There is none Please call the roll meyer montemayor rinflash ryan suric van der wheel wongamon boran hi decker gisha hannah heidemann kittleson and clayunas 14 eyes motion carries Before we go into closed session attorney mclean other matters Thank you, your honor 1736 is an rr by the city clerk submitting a communication from judith markwart slaney Chairperson of people to people exchange committee requesting a contribution of $500 for the student exchange trip to st. Petersburg, florida for three students from essling in germany That'll be referred to finance committee 1734 is a communication from louise hanson stating her concerns with the lack of removal of disease trees in her neighborhood and the lack of trimming the branches on trees That will go to public works 1738 is a communication from frank regudas stating his upset with the increase in health insurance premium for retirees That will be referred to finance 17 Excuse me All in the cleaners Thank you your honor could it be referred to the health insurance committee as well? Yes And health insurance committee Thank you all in the cleaners 1739 is an r by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2009 and june 30 2010 that will go to law and licensing 1740 is a resolution authorizing entering into a license agreement for rental of city tourism division office base at memorial mall That will go to finance 1741 Is a resolution establishing the monthly premium equivalent rates for the dental insurance plan effective for january 2009 coverage that goes to risk management President hannah motion close session Pardon me. Could the the last item could you refer that to finance and health insurance? That's finance and health insurance, and just to keep in mind You're going to have multiple referrals. So then just do health insurance health insurance not risk No risk and health risk risk and health. Please make that notation. Thank you Great Mr. Mayor council a motion to convene and close session Under exemption provided in section 19.851 G of the wisconsin statute for the purpose of conferring with legal council For the city who is rendering oral or written advice concerning the strategy To be adopted by the city with respect to ms margie verhalts ee oc age discrimination complaint Second any discussion Please call roll foreign Decker gisha hannah Heidemann kittleson planis mire montemayor renflesh ryan siruk vander wheel and wangeman 14 eyes motion carries at this time. We'll go into closed session. I'd ask everyone to leave except hr and the attorneys