 Ladies and gentlemen, a very warm good morning to you all. I believe it's morning, right? Yes. Hi. It's an absolute pleasure to welcome you to first ever all-female panel discussion that's happening in history of WordPress Kathmandu. I am Ida Rizal. I'll be the moderator of the day. Before we move on to our panelists, I have a few questions. I don't know anything about Lady Aadha Agastag. But do you know a person who invented or started the technology for Wi-Fi development? Anyone? No? That's okay. It's Lady Hedi Lamar. She was a female and she was the person who actually invented Wi-Fi without which today we cannot live. There are also other few females in the history who have been leading technology, inventing technology, but are very least talked about. So as I am in a conversation or room, I have an amazing panel. I will discuss about their journey, their career. Let me introduce our amazing panel here. We have Ms. Jasmine, who is developed engineer at Plantura. We have Ms. Saloni, WordPress engineer at Matter Technology and Ms. Kabita, WordPress Stream Lead at Definity. So, you all, I don't see more than 25% of the female. And this is the story of every other tech events, tech companies or tech colleges that we talk about. In today's scene, I would like to move to Ms. Jasmine. When you started your career, definitely there were very less females in the world. We just have 26.7% females in technology. So, what inspired you to be in Techfield? Why did you join Techfield? Thank you for your question. I was really motivated during my teenage years like when I was in school. There was this computer, we had this computer class and then our computer teacher used to teach us programming and he used to teach us all these cool things to do with the computer. And I was like, there was the coolest thing I had ever seen. And then I once, you know, when I had the time, I had a chat with him, hey, how did you learn to do all of this? And he gave me the answer that he was starting to be an engineer or he was already an engineer. And I was like, hey, this is what I'm going to do. So that's, and then I chose to study computer science during my school years, during my high school years. And then I later pursued computer engineering during my bachelor's. And that's how I was motivated to pursue a career in tech. Thank you so much. So normally, I'm a female. I say, I can completely relate to you. I was very small when I got into the field, right? I took engineering. But there has been times when we feel very much lonely. And loneliness, say, in this hall, women in tech I believe most of you have felt that once in your lifetime, right? So next question goes to Ms. Soloni. You feel, Maaju, that you have been working, have you ever felt lonely in the field? And if you have, how did you overcome it? Thank you, Ida-ji, for your questions. As a starting, as a job, I was a fraser, and I felt lonely because I didn't have the same nature and I didn't have much to do with others. And then there was, I was alone in my first job as a lady. Everyone else was alone, some were alone. So that's when I felt lonely. But now that I've been working, I feel very much lonely. And then there's a question, and everyone else will hear it. And in that voice, I have to speak, I have to communicate with everyone. I don't have to do it, I don't have to do it again. So that's when I started talking with everyone. I grew up in communication, and that's when I felt lonely. And everybody was frank, everyone was very close to me. So that's when everyone else overcome my loneliness. Okay, so your old journey, I was really lonely feeling about that. The more you did was work towards the network and seek out help. That's what you did, right? That's awesome. So coming up next with Ms. Kavita, just say tech is something that changes every day. So your entire journey, we are in an event that is one of the biggest tech events that's happening in Kathmandu, right? So your whole journey, what do you think is the role of mentorship or network? Thank you, Ida, for the question. I think mentors say please, vital role for every developer or everyone who is in the IT field, because you look up to them and you find your path. If you are a knowledge sharing mentor, I believe senior developer or our managers like look up to girls. They are the expertise in the field and when they share their knowledge, we can get insights. Whenever we struggle in some part of the project, our guidelines are provided. So every time a mentor plays an important role in our life, and next networking is very important. We gather as a group of people and we share our ideas to collaborate and to help in future collaborations. So I think the mentorship and networking is an integral part. Definitely. So it's been 10 years in the field and I think personally, events, community work, activities, friends, I think I stand where I am today. You could say, since we have been in the field since very long, you mentor the talk, community talk. Now coming up to Ms. Soloni, you will journey my friends, mentors, network. We female also have other responsibilities to take up. We have to teach everyday, but how do you think coping up with networking event, office, and house, as a mother of a three years old child, how do you manage it? How do you do that? As we know, we have responsibilities. And professionally and professionally, we have to balance our everyday life. As a girl, we have to support her slowly. Support in the sense, as a family, we have to support her. Your parents should always encourage you. And after marriage, you are her friends. Parents are always a major role. We have to support and encourage them. After marriage, we also have to support the company. We can support the company's policy. Like flexible time. And we can give facilities to the company. As a lady, we have to support them a lot. And we have to encourage them. We can even do the same thing. We have to support the company. And we have to support them a lot. Because we have a lot of roles in our life. We have to maintain. And to maintain the company, we have to support the company in a way that we don't get bored. We have to support them a lot. And what do you want? What do you want? I can explain. First of all, as a lady, we have to support them a lot. After 17 days, we just lost. And there are no ladies in the company. Because of that, our responsibilities have increased a lot. We feel like, we are the father of this company. We are the son of the growth and growth. There is always a pulling backward. Our leg is always pulling backward. So, in that phase, as a company, what can we do? If any girl needs anything, like any facilities. We know about such a company. But it's not female friendly. For a new company, they don't design for female friendly. There is dust in the toilet. It's very difficult for a girl to use dust. So, dust in the toilet. And there is a flexible time. As a mother, you will never be in time. Because she is also in a hurry in life. So, it is a flexible time. That's why I have given my company a flexible time. And after that, career, after, and parenting, maternity leave. At least 3 months of maternity leave. It's very easy. And after maternity leave, after 3 months, we have a chance to join. So, wow! How can we do such a simple environment? How can we do such a simple environment? In that context, as a mother, she wants a part-time job. She wants to give her a break and give her a nursing time. What can we do? After we go there, we feel that we have given our baby time. And she wants to do nursing. She wants to do breastfeeding. And in that case, she wants to give birth. And if she doesn't get support, there is an end to the career. So, she wants to leave the office. Because she doesn't have the baby. So, in this case, she wants to give her a one-hour break. If she doesn't have any more time. Or work from home. Or just a part-time job. We are father to ladies in the future. Ladies say, I have been supported by my company. I am a daughter. Even my parents and family have encouraged me. I have given my life equally. In the time that I have had. I have given my life equally. I can do this. I can do this. So, we have given our life equally. We have given our life equally. We have given our life equally. We have given our life equally. We have given our life equally. Definitely. With this, I would like to come to audience. Among you guys. I want you to raise hand. How many male and female washrooms are there in the company? Can I see hands up? That's a good number. How many of you have dustbins in washrooms for females? That's also a good number. How many of you have pads or sand, sanitary items? That's a few. No man, that's sad. Actually, females, this is a general biology that we go through. I feel actually, female like promoting the company, helping the people in their careers. Coming to that, I would like to come to Kavita Ji. You have child of three months. You have a child of three months. You are working. You want to continue your career with that child. What made the difference in your life to continue your career in tech? I think it's challenging to have a child with family. I think it's challenging to have a child with family. I think it's challenging to have a child with family. Because we have police officers in our job. I dedicate my time for my child and I have a and full of people supporting me in the house. But everyone has a case. They say that I have a lot of flexibility. Even in my case, I have a lot of flexibility. I am working remotely now and during pregnancy, I have been working remotely for two months. I think these all things matter. Definitely, support actually matters because biologically as well, there are many changes. If we have a very supportive community, friends and company that actually makes a difference. I see many faces inside this hall, even in my life career, there is a huge impact. So without friends that I have around, without male counterparts or female friends, there is a huge impact inside. That's the actual fact. There are males and females. I've never felt discriminated in this whole career. So I'd like to come to Jasmine in terms of support. So what do you think would be important of supporting, regardless of any gender or in the tech industry how much support is needed which has been a male dominated so far, isn't it? And how do we continue to support? Yeah, I've had amazing support during, I mean I've had a fairly good career progression during the last five years of my career. So that would, I mean I've had good managers who have like supported me throughout the journey. Like earlier when I used to work as a technical support and system administration, like when we had to work in shifts we couldn't put main shifts at night, so they would just give me the day shift. So that kind of support and acknowledgement from your managers, from your peers that really mattered to me. So it's really important for, not just female for all the technique, I mean all the people working in the industry should have. I'm sorry, what was the second part of the question? So how do you think it's role of supporting women in the industry? Yeah, I mean there is support structure for females in the industry. And I think everybody should have it. Thank you so much for that. Just to say, I personally feel that being a female, we know we are different, right? There are biologically having said that tech does not have any gender bias. So this whole tech scenario coming up to Solori, we regardless of the gender there are many females here or would be listening to this video in upcoming days as well. So what do you think would be important for us, for females to start their career? So what would be your suggestion to start up the guiding, like start Gornakulay, what is Gornakulay? I think you take Ramri sir, we can make a good career here. Everybody is comfortable like we are getting facilities, we are getting enough packages and they have a lot of work to do because we can do all of this but we can do it in company. And especially ladies there is no place to come to your tech career but you can always communicate with each other. You can make a better network and do IT field. How is it to attend a conference in IT? You can start your career. I think there is a lot of programming and designing content. You can attend a conference, you can understand what is my passion, what I do, I feel comfortable. You can start and nowadays there is a lot of solid work. You can do Udemy courses, YouTube butter, what is your passion, what is the answer programming, designing content. You can start and we will definitely hire you if you have the knowledge. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. So coming up to Kavita ji, you have been in the tech field for a long time, right? Following up with the same question any female or regardless of the gender males or any other community members in the tech field what would be your insight? How can you start? What do you want to do? I want to work as an intern as a PSP intern and I joined Catch Internet and I have been in the Catch Internet for a long time. We all learned how to enter and I am a team leader definitely. So I am confident in my career advancement and sometimes when I feel low I get stressed obviously we all know how to work how to rest and you can go for what and continuous learning so everybody knows how to work YouTube channels related topics like the skills courses and continuous learning that is all required and we have to set our goals maybe I want to reach another level maybe we have a skill advancement and we have to set our goals and we have to find confidence then we can have more chances, that is not possible. definitely. Coming up I am in a part of my life I can't feel. I would like to come to just me. In a field, a female is very less known as a devop engineer, right? So, what inspired you to be a devop engineer? And what was your self-doubt? Have you ever felt that? Yeah, I think everyone has that kind of self-doubt or imposter syndrome. Maybe I have not cut out for this. Obviously, even though I have had a good career progression, I've obviously sometimes struggled with the imposter syndrome, right? Like, when I was starting out as a technical support engineer and then I wanted to upskill myself to system administrator or system engineer, and that time also I had like imposter syndrome, like, oh, maybe I'm not cut out to do this, maybe I don't have enough skills to apply for the job that I want, right? And then even when I was changing from system administration to devops, and then devops is a really vast field, right? And then you need to learn a lot of tools and a lot of technologies, and you need to have a lot of knowledge about the whole software development life cycle as well as operations side of the thing as well. So, like, at that time as well, I really felt like, oh, hey, maybe you know what, I'm not cut out for this, maybe I don't have enough skills, maybe I don't have enough support, or you know. So, yeah, sometimes during my career progression, each time I'm upskilling myself, I have felt that, but the thing is to not let that consume you and have enough support network around you, have enough belief and conviction in yourself that, hey, you'll get through this, you have gotten through this before and you'll get through this time as well. So that is really important to have the support structure as well as enough belief and conviction in your own abilities. So, yeah, that's really important. So, whenever I feel like giving up, I think I'm very much somebody who has self-doubt, right? And the self-doubt with that, here is, With this, I'd like to come to Ms. Saloni. Just say, self-doubt, almost 17 to 18% females drop out of workforce internationally because of the self-doubt that they have, right? Do you think career break is actually important and does it really matter? I think after such an age, like pregnancy, life will change, right? And in that change, I took three months break. After three months break, I started working for a new company. And then again, after one month, I was like, oh my God, now I can't handle my work. I'm going to quit. So, I started working. Everything was new, new mom, new life, and new job pressure. Everything was wrong. Now, I can't further handle it. And I'll just quit the job and I'll take rest. Because I was mentally pressured. Post-partum depression was also wrong. And I got a lot of pressure from work. So, after that, I quit the job. So, even though I quit the job, I got a lot of pressure. Like, is this the end? This is the end of my career. I can't tell you if I can do it or not. I can't do it. I can't do it. And after that, I thought, my health condition is not good anymore. And in everyone's life phase, this condition will come. I will also come. My life will also come. And I have to overcome it. Now, I'll take rest. I'll go back. And I'll come back when my health will be good. So, I have one year, more than one year, like one and a half year break. And after that, I'll come back. And after that, I'll come back. I get good hire. I have to hire a good company. And everything will be normal. But, career gap, I have to say, it's hard to believe in industry. Because, I have to give interviews, after one year. So, because my career gap is there, I didn't get hired also. I have to hire a good company. It's hard to believe in it. So, I request the company, career gap is not there. Instead, see the talent. How much it will come. And how much, if she is back in, in latest technology, please give a chance, because she can do it. She can improve it. And now, ladies, who are running for career break, what to say, who are running for career break. They don't have to work. At least 2 or 3 hours will come. It's up to you. And, what is the latest technology. And how to boost your career. You have to pay attention and study. It's not hard to do 1-2 hours of day. And, if you have to take 2-3 hours of day, and you spend a very short time, But the day after that, you will have a lot of problems in your life. So don't leave that alone. And career gap, career break is not a big issue. We can always get higher if we have a good talent. So our talent is to focus on making a lot of work. Confidence, whatever it is. And after that, whatever it is, it will be a lot of work. So career break is completely fine when it comes to tech. Because today, we have a lot of things to do. And that's fine. I am also very honest at this point in my career break. So coming to Kavita ji, on your journey, have you ever felt like giving up? Or have you ever felt like running away? Or have you ever taken one? No, I haven't. I can't even think about it. I don't know why. Because I really want to work. I was very old. So I have never thought about it. But no matter how you want to take a career break, you can take it and then, maybe you can move to a different direction. But maybe you have another field or a project where you can rest. So you can always open about taking a career break. But in my case, I want to work continuously. When I have a job. Okay. So in our panel, it's interesting to know that Jasmine ji also had a career switch from system administration to devop engineer. So at that time, as you switched your difficulties or easiness, could you explain a bit? Yeah, I mean, it's always not difficult. But it's kind of different, right? Like you were working on a different technology. Now you're going to have to work on a catch-up on a different kind of technology. So yeah, first of initial switch period of three to six months. Yeah, I mean, I had to like catch-up. Or at least feel comfortable with the latest technology, how it's used, its practical purposes. I mean like pros and cons of one over the other. So yeah, I mean, it was a different. It was a bit different. But I would say it's not something that you cannot overcome. Definitely. Changing careers or tech stacks, or even entirely AFOLI GOLIRAKU KAM LAI NAI PANI, or co-direction Mali Razana says, GARO NAI PANI HUAN SA. But it's all about your self-confidence when it comes to switching careers, right? So, I'd like to ask a quick question. How many female students did you have when you started? In the engineering college? Yes. I mean, we were a bit lucky in our batch that, you know, we had like a batch size of 88 people in the computer engineering branch. We had around 20 to 22 females. So I think that was a good ratio. So, you know, that was really good. But during my high school years, when I used to study computer science, there were like, we had so many, like the batch size of 300, but I don't think we had more than nine girls starting there. I don't know why maybe the college was like that. So, yeah, that time we had very few, at least girls over there. But during the engineering years, I had like good ratio, I would say. No? Yeah, that's a great number, actually. I, middle class, was called Chalisa. So, that's actually a great number. Coming to you, Saloonji, how many female are there in your class? Actually, I'm from India, I don't know much about it. In India, there are a lot of confidence engineers and there are a lot of girls. Like, 50% girls, 50% boys. So, the batch is full of girls. So, I have a lot of ladies in my class. That's really nice. Kavitaji? Me, I was an information management bachelor. So, we had a good number, maybe around 10 to 15. Good number, I would say. Yes, yes, definitely. That's a good number. Now, Azhar, why that kind of female there, right here? Let's come to continuing the journey of career. Azhar's class, but in average, how many females are still in tech? I mean, I have not kept up with all of my batch mates, but I think some of them have gotten married and not continued in the tech career. Maybe they, I think so. I mean, one of my batch mates is a writer and one of, I think one is a chess. He, I mean, she wants to play chess. So, yeah, maybe some of them, but a lot of them are still, I mean, a lot of my friends have gone to pursue masters and they are still working in the tech industry. Okay, coming to you. Azhar, how many people are in the tech industry today? I think about 100 people are in contact mode. But still, they are in social media, right? So, in social media, I mean, only 3% are in the tech industry. Not even 3%, just 5%. Very few are in tech. And there are a lot more. How many of you have left your career? Just, they are engaged in your own family, right? So, it's a lot of pain to see that. Azhar, how many? I think it's around 4 or 5. Six, right? Six. So, in from class of 15, six are still in tech. That's a sad number, actually. I think I'm the only one who's still in the tech field, right? Other than that, either they're married or they've gone abroad or tech fields are a bit less. And this fact is just, does not apply here. While I was based in Pokhara, I was working with WLIT and the class-ma-female ratio was very low. So, why was it so low? The teachers were very good at that. Most of the things that teachers said was, either females get married and discontinue their journey or, wow, they lose interest, Azhar. Right? I also see few teachers, few college representatives here inside the hall. I think they can completely relate it to us. So, you could have discontinued Gaurna Kulagi, just say females or increase Gaurna. Or, why do you think we actually need female in tech? Coming to Jasminji. You have to have a positive role model, right? You have to see, like, you know what? Like, okay, there's a, hey, this is a person and, okay, he or she is doing a really cool thing. And then, one has to be able to see yourself in that position, right? So, if you can't see, like, positive role models, if you can't see, like, hey, this is what I can become if I follow this path. So, it is really important to have positive role models so that young females can get inspired. They can see themselves working in that field, pursuing tech careers. So, it is really important to provide that positive representation of the whole tech industry to little girls, I mean, inspiring them. So, yeah, I think it's really important that we maintain a positive representation of the whole industry to them. Yeah, so, positive representation, Pandey Gaurdakheri. A question goes to our audience here. Do you know who was the first computer engineer, female computer engineer of Nepal? Anyone? Anyone? It was Ms. Gunakeshwari Tuladhar. She was director of Nepal Telecom and worked with Nepal Telecom as computer engineer for more than 30 years. We do have females. It's true. Females are famous. So, it's important to have a low number. So, you're compact. You don't need to have a high number. So, in your perspective, like you joined engineering, you came to the tech field, what do you think, just like you said, you played an important role in this field. The most important thing to say is, encouragement. Why do you say, I'm already ready, even when the confidence levels are down. Like, it's not enough. Like, it's an interview. And there are other boys in it. They say, I know 80% of the girls. And if 80% of the girls say, I only know 20%, I'm going to be out of this interview. So, the confidence level will be down. So, it's important to be confident. Girls are more stronger than they think. Because they are very bold. And the confidence level is very strong. You have to utilize your skills. And you have to do your best. And you have to do certain things. You have to do your best. You have to do your best. Like, we are there. We have a small seed. We have to plant it. We have to plant it. We have to plant a tree. And we have to do what we have to do. We have to cut it. We have to cut it. We have to eat its fruits. That's how it is in your life. So, we have to think about it. I have done my best. I have to do whatever I have to do. I have done my best. And in my father's career, I can't do that well. I will do my best. And I have to do that. And we have to do encouragement. We have to support the environment. Because in some time, if you plant it, the sunlight and water won't be enough. That's what I know. And if you plant it, the soil and sunlight will be enough. It will grow. And it will grow strong. That's exactly what we have to do in our condition. If we have to support the environment, we have to change the environment. We have to change the environment. I have to do that. We have to do company policies. And we have to support the parents' family. And we have to encourage the people. And this is, I think, we can win the world. Definitely. Supporting environment and company policy. I'd like to come back to company policy, actually. We have been working for so long. We have to go to the pads. We have to go to the leaves. So, coming to Kobitaji, can you suggest two policies that can be introduced in any tech companies? Or even an event like this? It's the Khaalko event or women's number increase. What do you think would be good steps to take? I think, in the case of earlier, the flexible working hours and remote work and next, say, minstrel leave and more additional curators. I just had a kid. Maybe, like, if a company could arrange our partner with some school or, what do you call it? Montessories or something, tie up. At least during office hours, the babies are like, these are the policies introduced by the company. It's very good. In addition to this, Jasmineji, do you have any other policies that can be added? Let me think. I think Kobitaji has covered most of them, like having flexible working hours, remote work, menstrual leaves, as well as child care facilities. I think that's about, I mean, covers. Yes, definitely. Saloniji, you've been to so many events, earlier, some other events or, might come in handy. So, in this Khaalko event, what do you think we could have increased the number of female participants here? Overnies. If we had a female or, it would have been a lot of awareness, like female participation, it would have been a lot of awareness. So, I think it's a lack of awareness. And even, like, we can go in college, we can go in school, and there's a lot of female audiences, and it would have been a lot of awareness. You have to attend, it would have been a lot of awareness, and that's what we have to do. Coming to attending events, just like normally, we work in tech fields, Gordakheri, or events in Rodakheri, times are very odd, you know. So, he's a quick Gordakheri. We had party, and most of the females are left out in these kind of events, also because of the timing restrictions. Have you guys ever felt that? Let's start from Kavita Ji. Yeah, yeah. It's Friday, evening is fine, it's a Friday evening, we have events in Gordakheri, but you have a schedule, you have to do this and that, and it's already planned, and maybe it won't be planned, but it will be done sometime in the future. So, in that case, I prefer Saturday or Sunday, in that time, usually, Saturday and Sunday, it will be done by all the IT companies. So, even if you plan, you have to do Saturday and Sunday, it would be very good. Plus, we have to encourage the females to come to the event. I myself, I was in the 2012 Oat Camp, and I'm already here, so it's a long gap, and I have to encourage them to come here. So, I think encouragement, awareness, it's important, it matters a lot to me. Definitely. So, I'm also very excited to meet you all. Like I saw you in the hall, I think Maulanda is walking around. I am very active in community also because of his supporters. It's the support of the people, it's the number of females, in events, or in tech fields, it actually plays a vital role in increasing Gordakheri. That's how I feel. The event, for example, Hagathon, and Hagathons, they all say that they don't have any doubt about how to convince their parents, they applied for Hagathon, they found out how to go to the event, but how to convince their parents. I was lucky because in my home, my parents are very understanding, but the problem is that the auntie is not here. Your daughter, why did you come at 10 in the evening? You must be crying, right? Have you ever felt that, Jasminji? Yeah, obviously, I mean, Hagathons, participating in Hagathons is, I mean, I have never done it mainly because of that, because I have to convince my mom that I'll be out all night, and then, you know what, I'll be in a room with a bunch of guys coding all night, or coming up with ideas. So, you know what, I mean, she doesn't really feel comfortable with that idea. So, I mean, she makes comments about it. So, that's, sometimes, I mean, that has really always stopped me from participating in Hagathons, but yeah, that's what my experience has been. Yes. So, normally, I feel that Hagathons are more or less eventful. Parents are all doubtful. Women are doubtful about how to teach them. Now, to make that better, what do I do at home? I give a brief overview of what's happening. So, what would be your suggestion coming to you, Saloni Ji? What do females do? What can they do to push us? It's a male-level thing. You know, they don't know how to read. They know how to read, but they don't know how to read. So, my brother, he also started engineering, but he never asked me if I should go to an event. So, what would be your suggestion for girls to follow up? Would you like to participate in the event to make your career better? I think in the late night, I also have a question. Because I am living with my in-laws. So, I don't know about my society. They don't give you time after it. So, it's very difficult to come out of that. Still, I can convince them. If I can convince them, I will always convince them. Because I will convince them. How can I make my career better? How can I make my network better? I will explain everything to them. I will convince them. And after that, I used to go. But a lot of the time, I would come to girls. Because it's very difficult to come out of our society norms. Especially, in Nepal, in the society, in India, we are under a lot of pressure and that's why we are here. Thank you so much for that insight. Coming to you, Kavita, have you ever felt that? Have you ever felt that you are not trained? How did you overcome this difficulty? I don't know. But I think the support system needs this. Briefly, I have learned and participated in this. But my husband and my sister-in-law are under a lot of pressure. Like, mom dad, parents, in-laws, and she is doing very good. She is earning very good. And I feel, it's important to have support systems. I am very lucky to have done that. I am in law very supportive. My husband is supportive, my parents So definitely, we have brothers in this hall, we have husbands in this hall, we might have ill-laws in this hall, right? So we have a number of female board members, as an individual, I think it's the responsibility of each individual to increase the number, just like in nursing, it's similar, but how do we increase the number is the actual question, right? So the number increase, we have talked about policies, we have talked about environment how do we increase the number, we have talked about personal experiences, so moving towards the end of the session, just like we had a conversation, yes, we struggled, however, we have not given up in the career, I was the only female in our company, and I had to hire a girl, hire a girl for three months, four months, five months, just like a female, they move somewhere and very sad to know that they leave the career itself, right? So the number, like, we have to reduce the number, we have to work out, we have to reduce the number, as an ending note, coming to Jasmine ji, we had a conversation, what do you think, Ajut, one suggestion to the entire audience sitting here, what do you think is the best for the conversation, how do we increase the number of females? Female number, I mean, to increase the number of females, like, we have to have, I mean, we have to design the system in such a way that, you know what, it's the barrier to entry, to the industry is not much, as well as to stay in the industry is also encouraged, as well as, I mean, like, you guys have touched upon, like, motherhood, career break, you know what, those kind of things should be made very normal, right, those kind of things, hey, if you take a one year career break or a motherhood break, that kind of thing should be extremely normalized, and then, I mean, and the women who are coming back from career break or motherhood, they should be given really, you know what, priority in the industry as well, so, I mean, that kind of things would really help, don't you think so? Yes, definitely, it's not a big deal, if someone took a career break, or if they are, if someone is coming back from having a baby, those kind of things should be really normalized, and then those kind of, I mean, they should be, like, when hiring, I mean, I think, Soloni, they talked about her struggles when coming back from motherhood, like, you know, maybe some, she felt, even if someone did not outrightly point it out, hey, we are not hiring you because of, hey, because you have a break in your career, they might not have outrightly told her, but obviously, there's always an intuition and inkling inside us, right? So, I mean, that kind of things really affect us, right? So, that kind of things should be made really normal, and then, even those are for early working women, and for the new women or new girls that want to join the tech industry, we have to be like, give a positive representation of them, hey, you can come here, you can thrive here, and you can have a long, long, long career, and then, so, yeah, that's, we should give positive images like that. Thank you so much for your insights. Coming to Soloniji, any key takeaways, what do you think the number of females will increase from your side? The number of females will increase, so in the starting, we are like, we have to take out our needs, right? How many females don't have a place, what can they do in tech? That's important. How can we get them out? It's the confidence. We need to push up, we have to improve our lives, right? We have to create more voices, not that many voices, and I think our own daughter, or our wife and our sister-in-law need to do a push up, no. Making sure she is able to improve all the confereints, so that we can have the upper hand, There is no need for interest. After the interest comes, people are included in this. So, we do what we want to do. After that, even in education, even in school, we don't know how much money is left or how much it costs. After that, I don't know how to support them. I want to support my family as well. Even in the company, we have to meet certain people. We have to meet a lady. Even if we have to meet a lady, we have to meet a lady. We can call to all the ladies who are out of the industries or inside the industries. Everyone knows what to do. It's like the right path of a career. That will be most helpful to everybody. That's all I want to say. Thank you so much. That was a very insightful suggestion. Coming to Kavita Ji in your ending note, what do you think would increase the number of females in tech? We have covered almost all of them. So, I think there should be self-doubt. I can't do this. I can't do this in the industry. I have to learn a lot. I can't continue to learn. So, there should be self-doubt. Because in all fields, there is a need for continuous learning. You need to learn different positions. You need to learn in the upper positions. Similarly, in this field, you just need to be updated regularly. There is a need for self-doubt. Thank you so much. That was a very valuable suggestion. I believe all females as well as male audience here have been inspired by our amazing panellists today. I'd like to come to the floor. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask to our panellists. Mic runners round the hall. I see a few hands. Thank you so much for the amazing insight. Taking away female in tech increased learning, which is very important for the panellists. We have to have confidence in ourselves, continue to learn and grow the community, but the support is equally important, along with family support, company support, company policies. With this, we have come to the end of the panel discussion. Thank you so much for taking the initiation of this amazing panel discussion. I'd like to hand over the mic to our MC. Thank you so much.