 There was something about the recording stopped. Now the recording happening. It looks like it's recording. I'm sorry. Okay. Okay. That's that's fabulous. Okay. With no corrections to the minutes. Let's signify. Yes. You approve or no, you don't Sharon. Yes. Christine. Yes. Thank you. George. Yes. Alex. Yes. Paul. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. The next set of minutes are from December, December 15. Is there a motion to approve those minutes? Thank you. Is there a second. Thanks. Okay. Any corrections to those minutes? Okay. Oh, On the on the motion to approve Sharon. Yes. Christine. Yes. George. Yes. Alex. Yes. Paul. Yes. Xander. Yes. Thank you. Sean. Yes. And Austin votes yes. Okay. The next item is the town manager's report. Mr. I don't think I have anything to report. Okay. How pleased are you at the prospect that the federal government. Might be allocating a million. Dollars to this project. I'm very pleased. I'm. Hopefully that the house of representatives will organize itself. At some point. So the country can do its business, but yes, I'm very pleased. That's good news. I think we all are. I think it's wonderful news and, and. Another affirmation by another group of the value of the project. So it's one wonderful news. Okay. Financial update Sean. Thank you. So we do have a couple of invoices. We have one from FAA and one from. Collier. So I'll share my screen. Great. Thank you. And you enable sharing. All right. So I think you see the FAA. Invoice on the screen. Yep. So Collier says reviewed this and improved that consistent with our contract for the work that they've done. Over the past was just through November. Great. So did someone want to move the approval of recommendation that we pay this invoice. So moved. Thank you. Second. Thank you. Okay. Any discussion of the invoice. Okay. On the motion to approve Sharon. Yes. Christine. Yes. George. Yes. Alex. Yes. Paul. Yes. Xander. Yes. Sean. Yes. And Austin votes yes. Sean, did you have another one? Yes, we have one more. Okay. For Colliers. So this also is November. One thing I'll point out that I think we'll have more to update on next time is that. Colliers has officially. Pretty much with this invoice build its entire fee for the design phase. So we are not completed with the design phase. So again, we'll update you next time on. This is consistent with their prior billions. It's, and it's for the month of November. And Craig, do you want anything to that? Let's. Yeah. Craig, did you want to say anything? Nope. Nothing, nothing really to add aside from actually that I said that. So I've. Moved in the director. The director is in my office to come up with. So we're going to have a motion to approve. Proposal or a plan for moving forward. And I will work with Sean in between meetings. And then hopefully by the next meeting we'll have a report. Okay. Just to be clear, we should have a motion to approve. The invoice. So moved. Second. Thank you so much, Christine. Okay. Any discussion of this invoice. Okay. On the motion to approve Sharon. Yes. Yes. Christine. Yes. Thank you, George. Yes. Thank you. Alex. Yes. Paul. Yes. Thank you. Sean. Yes. Zander. Yes. And Austin votes yes. Okay. Thank you, Sean. Okay. The next. Austin. If time doesn't permit, we don't have to. We were going to do a quick budget update as well. We're, we're going to do one a month. So we thought maybe start the month. It would make sense to go over the budget quickly. Yeah, sure. Let's do that. Thank you. And I'll share my screen. Sharon, would you please allow me to share. Thank you. Right. Thank you guys can see that now. So. Here's our financial status report. It's the same one that we've been looking at. It's the same one that we've been looking at. It's the same one that we've been looking at. It's the same one that we've been looking at. It's the same one that we've been looking at with updates. Actually through. Those votes that just took place a moment ago. Starting on page one. We've, we have not started construction. So we don't have any. In this category here, any payments in this category. Same thing for furnishings. When we go to page two fees and expenses. Those are the invoices we've been receiving. So here's the architects. Contract or the budget. They're a contract, which. If we look all the way over here and call them G. Does exceed the budget. That's the $55,000. In additional services. So that money we can move either now or later move. From owners contingency to cover. My recommendation is wait a little while. To see if there are any savings. They have a lot of other line items. I have underneath the architect. We had budget at $100,000 for a furniture designer. While nothing has been contracted. We do have their latest proposal, which is 102. $1,000 and change. So it's a little bit over the budget. Same thing. I don't think we should take any action on it. At this point. At, you know, adjust addressing that. So that's a little discrepancy. And then the only. We've got down here project manager, my office. Our billings through date. Are. Just under 110,000. Total contract for 890,000. Cost estimator. The only other thing that we've received a bill for. Was. We've got $10,000 and we still have a little bit of surplus. Five and a half thousand dollars in the. Budget. You just double check. Page three. Right. And then nothing else. These are miscellaneous expenses, which will crop up later. But none to date. Okay. Questions about the budget. Okay. Thank you, Craig. You have, you have more for us. Yes. So I'll. Show us the schedule. Here we are at the red line. We, you'll note, we have just passed. We've made it through this extended design. Period, which was quasi schematic design, quasi design development. As of December 23rd, the design team submitted the revised schematic design plans to the MVLC. And the, those are under review now. And the design team has begun the true design development phase, which is what we've been talking about the last couple of meetings. That's a four month effort with about a month effort in cost estimating. And then just as a reminder. See, here's our sort of upcoming meetings. So. Schematic design, submitting that package to MVLC, the design team actually beat the schedule. They got it in before the holidays. We're anticipating the MVLC approval of that. Hopefully next week I'll reach out to the MVLC, see if they have any questions or if that's on track. Line one of the design development. Yeah. I'll reach subcommittee. I won't steal Alex's thunder. I'll let her report on that later this meeting, but our start of design development. School building committee meetings and design subcommittee meetings will be in two weeks on January 19th. And then I won't bore everybody with the rest of it, but that's sort of the study. You'll recall it's the start of the frequent meeting phase to kind of accelerate us through design development. And that's all I have to report. Unless there are any questions. Just, when do you anticipate? When, when do you anticipate that we'll hear back from MVLC? Well, so we're, we're hoping for this January 11th. But I will reach out to them probably tomorrow and see where. Great. They are with their view. Having received the drawings on December 23rd. I don't suspect a whole lot of review has gone on, but that's far on the project. So I'm hoping that we can use a very quick, very quick turnaround. So I'm hoping for the same. Alex has her hand up. Alex. Can you go back to the schedule, please? Yes. So under public commentary, there's a triangle that says period of impact on color selections and interior materials, but we haven't actually gotten anything to get. Feedback on. So is that going to shift? I assume. Yes, that's a very good point, Alex. I didn't change that. The triangle will extend out into the first couple months. Great. To sort of match. This schedule here. Where the design team is going to be presenting interior. Schemes and then we'll be reviewing them and voting on them. So I will adjust that graphic. Yeah. I mean, this, it was super helpful to have the dates. In this for us for the outreach committee. So to the extent that we can keep. Keep giving us dates and deadlines. That's, that's really helpful. Thank you. Absolutely. Thanks. Okay, Craig. Anything else? Correct. Oh, sorry. Sorry. No, that's all I have. Okay. All right. Any other questions for Craig? All right. Thank you, Craig. Thank you. Will. Thanks for the work. All right. Subcommittee reports. So design subcommittee. Christine. We have not met. So there's nothing to report on. In the past. Looking at the schedule. Starting on the 19th, it appears that design subcommittee will have pretty much weekly meetings. They're going to be dual noticed so that all the committee members can come if they want. I would just love for preparing for these. A little clarification from Craig on what to expect or you, Austin on sort of what is the goal? How do we see this rolling out? I know the FAA will come and present. Is there a goal for these meetings? Does it just sort of get introduced? And then we do something with it later as a building committee. Just wondering how this is. Devil in the details. Craig. Great, great questions. Christine. So the design team has laid out. Sort of what they expect. It will be rapid fire for sure. Before the meetings. So if it's a Tuesday meeting, say the Friday before they've committed to sending what they're going to present, it may be slightly tweaked, say on Monday, because they'll also be working very quickly to get a quick turnaround. But you'll at least get a general feel for what is coming or what is going to be presented. And for the most part. Tuesdays or the, the first meeting of the week, the design subcommittee will be a presentation and soliciting feedback. And then later in the week. When there is. Let's see. I'm just looking at the schedule. So in the next meeting, I'm going to say that the next step. Then the next meeting would be like a. An LBC meeting. At which a decision is hoped to be. Determined. So. And that's in general, because let's see, I didn't, I don't have that. We had, I had that graphic where it was the design. Teams work plan. And I had overlay. Sort of when the meetings were happening. And so for each topic, it's slightly different. At least the presentation week. And then a couple of weeks later is when they'll be looking for, they'll. Represent. Based on updates. On feedback they, they, they, they hear. And then there'll be a boat. Whereas interior design was, I think, was a quicker kind of, like, all we have is one week. So the beginning of a week, they'll be making a presentation. And then at the end of the week, they're looking for a decision. Subcommittee meetings so that all the questions or suggestions from the committee can be aired. Before we need to make a decision. Right. Christine anything else. Yeah, so, you know, Outreach is working really hard to get feedback on things. And I know right now, like the gender inclusivity, the toilets. When would that come to design? And how does it get implemented or. Tweaks. Cause it's just, and I guess the second part of my question is, so if the first meeting is like a design subcommittee, but then you said that following meetings, they're sort of still designed subcommittee because new stuff's being presented, but yet they're also a building committee because. So I'm still a little confused. I know it's rapid fire. Maybe this needs to be detailed out a little more schedule. So does the Craig, do you want to go back to the. The. Thing that you presented the blue. Page with the meetings. Because maybe that'll be, maybe that'll be helpful. And, and actually, let me, I always have to fight with my screen here. There we go. So this is sort of the blue page of meeting dates was derived. From looking at the design team's work plan, which is sort of all the, the bars and lines of text. And then my office overlaying when meetings might occur. So let me zoom in a little bit. So just correct. Again, maybe this will be helpful to Christine. It's really helpful to me. Could you go back to the blue page? Sure. So as I understood it, you had a pretty clear idea of what. These meetings were going to be. Is this an, is this the accurate rending of when we will be meeting and what we will be doing. Yes. Okay. So Christine, does this. Does this, is this helpful or is there something else? No, I'm still confused because the number one. It says outreach committee, they're collecting information on the bathrooms, but where does that fit on what meeting does that fit in? Craig, when do you expect it will be. Finalizing the conversation, but the bathrooms. So the window of time we. Define for soliciting input from the public was through the end of January. And so the earliest that we would be looking for a determination from this body would be the February 2nd meeting, but could also be like, you know, the February 9th meeting. That topic because the LBC has already given direction on the layout. That was the, that was what the design team really needed in the short term. And then now the information they're soliciting is more privacy level. And so that's something that doesn't have a hard deadline, like doesn't need to be done by February 2nd. You know, ideally it would be sometime in the, say, first month of this design development effort month, month and a half, because it does, it has the potential to. Effect the mechanical systems. And so the, as the architectural design develops, mechanical system designs will follow. And so we don't want to push that, say, to the end of design development, it's better to have it at the beginning design development. So there's no exact date when you'll see. That's incorporated into the drawings, aside from by the end of design development, it will be. But the design team had requested that. And they obviously provide direction. In the first month, month and a half. So by mid-February. Okay. Just Christine online one second, Sean. Oh, thanks Austin. Yeah, no, I think this calendar is helpful. You can see when it's presented and then when it's proposed to be approved. What types of things Craig would be in the interior design schemes? Is that going to include like the, the bathroom decisions as a whole bunch of decisions that are included within that. That sort of terminology. Just what types of things are going to be part of that design scheme vote. Great question. So the. The bathroom, the toilet partitions does sort of fall under that umbrella. But more specifically, it's the finished materials throughout the building. Both the materials and the color. So the design team will be. Presenting. They're what they propose for flooring. For ceilings or no ceilings in the case where we're exposing. The mass timber. Wall finishes, be it tile on some areas. Paint in most areas. Even things like, you know, the handrails and guard rails, what they'll look like. Presenting a package. Based on their, you know, professional. You know, what they'll look like. What they'll look like. What they'll look like. What they'll look like. Recommendation for your consideration. So there will be some opportunity to say, oh, we like this. These. Actually, let me back up. The materials are one question. And that will largely be dictated by the money that we have available in the construction budget. But then coloration is another consideration. So you can imagine. All right. The team says. Most of the walls are painted drywall. And so they'll present something that they think represents sort of a modern. You know, library, some place that is. You know, comfortable based on the feedback we received from. From the public. And then you will have the opportunity to weigh in. Ask them to make adjustments and then. You know, approve a final kind of look. Thank you. Can I quickly follow up, Austin? And that's for sure. Go ahead. So that makes sense. And that, I mean, that seemed like pretty major decisions. That's those votes. I think in terms of the costs, it sounds like you're going to help us evaluate, make sure that things that we've been proposing to start within our budget. It seems like a lot of decisions that would be part of that is, is it going to be like, here's a room and we look at the room and we look at the room and say, yeah, we like the way that all goes together. Or is it. I feel like I would have a hard time saying, yeah, I like this color more than this color without, you know, more context. Yes. So that's a great point. So. I don't know exactly how find gold Alexander is going to do it, but a common way is to present a palette. And so they put together a board, either physical board or more likely a PDF. And it will show little snippets. I think they did a similar thing for the exterior. When we were trying to decide metal panel. Brick, you know, they'll, they'll show. Maybe like an image, like a 3d rendering or image. Either of our building or of a similar building, some, a look that they think would be appropriate. And then they'll have these little color swatches. And they'll say, okay, here's the, the tone of the, the wood that we're proposing for the mass timber. And here's a couple of paints that we think go well with it. You're, you're a field, which is like just a general walls, plus maybe accent walls or trim. And it'll show you like maybe a little snippet of the doors, you know, the wood, you know, if they suggest maple or oak and, you know, what color. And so they'll lay it all out on this board or palette. And say, you know, here this is the scheme that we recommend. And then we can discuss, but I typically they would not show, you know, this room looks like this. It's more like this is the feel, the general feel and the general concept. And then they use their professional judgment to apply it. And, and there will be opportunities. Later on, it would be, it gets more technical, the drawing gets more technical, less illustrative, but they, at some point they'll have a package where in probably in the construction document phase where you could go and look at what every color wall is, what floor materials in every single room, what carpet color or tile color is in every single room. And usually for that, it would be a smaller, that would be like a design subcommittee thing where we go through and and talk, oh, we think this room should have a lighter feel. Can you get rid of that accent wall color and just do like the base color everywhere, whatnot. So you'll be in this phase, you'd be proving the general palette. I'll just quickly say to Christine, I'm going to lean heavy on the design subcommittee for decisions. Thank you, Sean. That was very helpful. Before we go back to Christine, because she had a very good question that I don't want to lose, which is to the extent that the triangle is going to move for public input. How is that going to play out in terms of the blue diagram, the blue thing that we were just looking at. So ultimately, we, the hope is that whatever public input has been continuing to come in. Alex remind me what was the name of the platform that you had used using a padlet pad, thank you. I had a P in it. So, you know, all the information that we had received and gone through, we had sort of put it into buckets. All right, this is stuff that design team, we need to inform them of now. And we did that, those were all the billing, massing comments, exterior material comments. There's a, now there's a batch that we had previously identified as, okay, this is interior designs that we don't have to deal with it. This is furniture so we can push those off. This is site design, you know, that's not something that's needed right now. So, the design team can look at all those comments for that relate to the interior of the building. And though in any, any new ones that maybe have come in since the last time we looked at it, which was probably. Just to interrupt, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I think this needs to be worked out. And I don't think we're going to work it out right now. In other words, I think you need to think with Alex and Christine about how the process that's represented in that triangle that you're going to move is going to work in relationship to these meetings. And I think that's what Christine was trying to get at at the beginning, Christine. So like right now we're working with the bathrooms and you're collecting. Comments till the end of the month. So there was like a month or more. And I know we were tight on time, but I look at the landscaping, which a preliminary comes out on January 26th. And then a month goes by before we actually. Where I have some concerns is. Because I know everybody's going to agree on colors really easily. The interior, there's a one week, February 2nd to the 9th. And I have no idea what outreach is expected there, but I don't know if they can give us a preliminary of the pallets, like a week or two before. So we cannot, you're saying no, but. And then even more concerning the external colors or textures or whatever. It's a two day February 14th to the 16th, which that actually just seems impossible. But like Austin said, I think this needs some, I know FAA is working really hard and time is time, but I just need some more details on this to figure it out. So. Those are valid concerns. However, I will. And I don't mean to be glib about it, but. You know, the, the town hired find goal Alexander, I presume because you saw some of their work and everybody. What felt comfortable with it. So they're going to bring those same design aesthetics that they've used on other projects in the town, ostensibly. And they're going to bring that up. And they're going to bring that up. And they're going to bring that up. And they're going to bring that up. Found appealing. And they're going to apply that to this project. So I don't think they're going to come with sort of off the wall. You know, recommendations that. I feel pretty confident that what they'll show up with everyone will say, ooh, that's really nice. That's very. That's sort of right in line. And the adjustments that you guys will be making will be more like, I really don't like that. I'm going to make it a little lighter. I don't. That's how I sort of see this. Going that's typically how it goes. Especially with a, you know. Very well experienced design team, like final Alexander. I'm not worried about them. I'm just worried about. Everybody else. Okay. But you do have a good point. If you have a hundred people and you ask them about paint colors, you're going to get a hundred different opinions. And sometimes people have to think about it. So two days is really, you know, a lot. And I'm not sure, again, Alex. I'm not sure what the outreach expectations or hopes are. So just. So I'm done. I'll see y'all on, um, you know, we have 19. So thank you, Christine. Again, Craig, I'm going to say that I think we want a little bit of a more thought out, um, response to this question about public input. You just said in the previous. Schedule that you're going to move that triangle. And I think all Christine is asking is if we're going to move that triangle. How is that going to work in terms of getting the reactions, whatever reactions we're going to get. But again, I just think it needs to be. It needs to be worked out a little bit. Agree that some more of fine. It can be great. Made. However. Every town, every group has how they want to run it. So it's not, uh, it's not, uh, the OPMs role to sort of dictate that to you guys. I can be glad to communicate and coordinate with, with Alex and Christina offline. I think that's sort of what's most in order, but ultimately it's up to you folks how you would like to. Incorporate that information that you've got from the public. I think. Coordinating. Coordinating. So you guys are commendable for doing so. Sorry. Coordinating with Alex. And Christine, I think would be a good thing to do. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you, Christine. Um, Alex on outreach. Thanks. Um, If I can share my screen, that would be great. Um, so. The bathrooms, um, outreach had, uh, the first of two public forums on Tuesday. We did one at 9 a.m. We'll have another one next Tuesday at 6 p.m. It's a recorded meeting. Um, and we're using pretty much the same things we've used before. So people are familiar. So we're using the padlet again. Um, we're actually using a online survey, as well as there's a, um, a paper survey at the library. And there's a bulletin board set up again, showing, um, the different bathroom stall designs. And then there's a paper survey with a little box that people can put into it. We actually opened up, um, things on December 15th, not surprisingly, uh, people were busy through the holidays. So we're actually really just starting to, um, to see, uh, Responses coming in. Um, we met with the libraries, um, equity justice. Um, we met with the library's, um, equity justice inclusion subcommittee to ask for some recommendations around, um, putting the survey together, what it should look like, as well as who we should reach out to. Um, and, uh, we have reached out to a number of groups, um, specifically, including at the high school, um, is the SAGO, which is a sexuality and gender alliance club. Um, also reached out to the stonewall center at UMass. Um, we have some connections with them through, um, Uh, programming we've done in the past, um, as well as to the organization translate gender, um, as well as to trans health. Um, and so those are just some of the groups that we're reaching out to specifically, um, as well as collecting data through the, through the library. Um, so, um, again, we're using the pad lit, which I think everybody can see. Um, um, um, um, um, so similar format to what we've done in the past, everybody can go look at this and read. So anybody on the committee as well as the public can go and see, um, we did a rating system this time. So people could look at the different stalls and rate as well as add any comments that they have at the bottom. Um, and again, just like in the past, people can add their own pictures of, um, um, there's also a link to the public, uh, forum presentations as well as a link to the actual meeting. So people can access the presentation as well as the meeting from the pad lit. Um, and then they can actually also access the survey from, um, our pad lit from the pad lit as well. Um, we also, uh, so far on the survey, we've got 48 responses, um, in so far. So the survey, again, I can, um, people want to see this data. So, um, it's like a five second survey, five questions. Super easy. You know, have you ever used a multi stall? Um, so far, our respondents 68 or 69% have, um, if they've used them, we've asked them to give us feedback, um, about what they liked or what they didn't like, which people have done, which has been really nice. Um, the proposed, uh, design of the stalls we've gotten back. Uh, so 52% semi private 31% maximum and 16 on the standard. Um, ask for any thoughts just generally about, uh, design elements or features that they'd like to see. And again, people have put their comments in here. Um, we then asked people to, um, tell us what, uh, most closely describes their gender. So we have a sense of who we're getting responses back from. So, uh, our biggest response so far are, uh, cis gendered women. Um, we do have 23% non-binary, some transgender, uh, gender fluid, gender queer. Um, and then we also have age groups. So, so far it's actually a pretty nice balance in terms of age groups that we're hearing from. And then the last thing that we asked for were, um, people to check all that applies. So if they are, uh, a parent or, uh, caregiver of a child in the different age groups, but then also if they are parent caregiver of a child who is transgender, non-binary, non-binary gender expansive. Um, but then also if they assist, uh, an adult or a child with a disability who's the same gender or a different gender. Um, so it's a quick survey. Um, so far, uh, good responses from people. Um, uh, um, and so we closed our period January 15th because it's after, after the last public outreach, I'm learning as we go, I wanted to have a little bit more of a cushion between the date that, that colliers gave us so that there was potentially more time for discussions with the architects or whatever needed to happen. And so to that point, um, Craig, you made a comment, um, that this committee had approved the layout of the bathrooms and I guess I want to find out if there's a difference from the architects between, you know, footprint and layout because certainly the feedback that we're getting from people so far, the layout that we have sort of still looks gendered in the sense that you have to, what we're hearing from a lot of people is if I have to choose which way to go, that's not comfortable, right? If it's, if it is a, a all user, you know, restroom, then I want to, you know, walk in and not have to decide whether to go right or left. And so I guess what I want to make sure of or touch base with the architects is, you know, footprint, fine, but, you know, we're hearing, we're hearing a lot of really good feedback from people, um, who probably have more experience than, you know, our, our, our small group of people. And I just want to make sure that we can relay that, um, to the architects and, you know, when that timeline needs to happen, um, as well. If it may, Austin. Sure. Um, the wall layout. Is not set in stone, but, um, it, we are definitely heading in that direction or. I think the design team is hoping that that wall layout is set in stone. I think they were responding to the town's desire to have gender inclusive layout that also had kind of an emergency way to kind of back out of it for, you know, low expense. Um, and, and sort of go back to a previous, um, concept of the gender bathrooms. Um, I think if we asked them, they would probably be willing to look at other options if there was specific, um, a specific desire for a certain thing. But I, I believe that the time of, um, um, them kind of pitching out different ideas. That is more of a schematic design phase effort. And now it's okay here in the wall placement. Yes, but there are still decisions to be made about, um, the partitions themselves and many of the details, but, um, Ideally. You know, we are kind of locked in now to, like you said, footprint. Um, you know, maybe if there is something subtle that can be done, but, um, I think that's. We're almost at that point where, yeah, we're going to, we're going to stick with the layout and then decisions within that layout can still be made. So I've got others waiting here, Paul. Yeah. Alex, where is the results of that surveys? Is that online someplace? Uh, not yet because it's still open. Yeah. So, so the padlet, you can check out yourself, but the survey, I can send people the, yeah, we just have to decide how you want me to complete it will be. On the, on the, our building site. Yeah. Yeah. And also, I guess that's one thing I wanted to ask people around is, um, it is a survey, um, but there is some. Personal information, um, not in the sense like there's some sensitive information, right? I think people are being really candid about their experiences in bathrooms, both negative and positive. And I, I know nobody's going to be identifiable necessarily by their comments, but I want to be sensitive to if someone's shared a story about, you know, attempted rape or, or some other issue, I want to be sensitive to that. So I guess I look for a little direction, um, from the committee about that. The reason I'm asking is that, um, you know, there are a lot of youth, there were a lot of comments there that it would really like to have read. Yeah. So when that comes to it, I'd like to be able to read those. And I thought the survey is really interesting. So thank you for doing that. Yeah, no problem. And I'm, and I'm happy if people want, I mean, I can set, I mean, I've been reading them as they come in, which is kind of nice for me to process. And I can send that. I can just send it to this committee. I can send it to this committee. I can send it to this committee. You know, as we get up to you, however you want, if you just want them at the end, that's fine. Okay. Sharon. Yeah, I just, I want to start by thinking Alex and the outreach committee, uh, for delving into this really important issue. Um, Really important. And, and in fact, I wish that I had, had sunk my teeth into it more deeply. You know, I think that's what I was thinking about a couple of years ago. Um, and so that fast forward to yesterday where I had this really great conversation with the library's department heads, you know, the staff and, and I won't get into all the issues with all of you. We can do that during a design committee meeting, but I guess my comments are to Craig who, you know, Craig, I appreciate you completely. And I really appreciate FAA's work and their time. And this is something that I feel like we can't screw up. And, um, Uh, so. And why this is important is because right now what we're showing are those walls, but what we have also seen based on other architects who have really dug into this topic is an example of a more open concept of what we want to do. And I think that's a good thing. So no one has to choose left or right. Um, anyways, I, so same footprint, but I would love the opportunity to literally take down some walls, if possible. So more later, but I, I, I, I guess my, my ultimate comment is this is something we don't want to get wrong. As opposed to the colors. I don't care if it's group. The walls are gray or purple. That's less important than this. Thank you. Yeah, so I remember Josephine talking about how the walls could come down quite easily on either side of the sinks on the top and the bottom. I know we don't have the design up right now so that the three sinks and three sinks kind of become an island. Um, and she said those could be left open. So you come in two different doors, but it's feels like one room. So that I don't think is a big design thing. It's the same wall. The same supports that put in would just open up areas. Um, in the room. Craig. Tell me if I'm, and the other thing I thought that the designers were looking into was I still feel really strongly about having a single occupancy family bathroom on that garden level. Um, so that we do get it right. And everybody has an option to feel comfortable when going the bathroom. Uh, Xander. Yeah. Um, I want to echo, I think that. The town, the. The level of comments that we're receiving and how vulnerable people are willing to be. Um, is the demonstration of how much the town wants to get this right. And so I do want to, uh, Just agree with what's been said. I also think, um, Um, As we re coordinate the timeline, It's going to be important for us just to be honest about mitigating expectations. Um, because it does sound like there are, don't worry on park, just so everyone knows. Um, the, But I do think we just want to be honest that like. Valentine's day and the day after it or all we're giving to, uh, the outside colors because we want to get. Um, You know, Um, Um, Um, Right in terms of people feeling comfortable inside the building. Um, Whereas if you feel really strongly about the color of the exterior walls, We're only giving it to you days to make sure you. I lost you a little bit. Were you, were you done, Xander? You cut off very quick. Yeah, I just think we need to be honest with people that like, There are going to be some issues that we seek input on. And there are some issues that like. You know, You know, You know, Right, right. All right. Thank you so much. Yeah. Christine. Um, yeah. Um, thanks, Alex. And, um, I, You listed a lot of groups that you've reached out to. I'm just wondering, have you reached out to the senior center. Any religious groups. And is any of this information posted in our three libraries right now? Um, I don't know if they're going to see this information online. Alex. Yeah. So sorry, Christine. When I said at the beginning, um, And may have gotten blended in is, So there are actual paper copies of the surveys. In the library. Um, And then they get entered into that format. Um, uh, the survey and Padlet were sent. Out to, uh, the PGOs to each of the town counselors requesting that they send it out to their constituents to eat. So. Yes. So all the same. I'm not just targeting, uh, Support groups of, uh, you know, non-binary transgender gender queer, but. I do want to make sure that that group is included in the conversation. But yes, we're reaching out to. Library users, which is the community. So the senior center did get reached out to. Uh, I don't know off the top of my head, Christine, because there are about five of us reaching out to different people. So like one group got reached out to today. Like, so I. They're on the list whether they've gotten anything yet. I don't know, but I would assume yes. I can always, I can always say the ones that I've reached out to. Okay. Sharon. Yeah, I just wanted to say, um, to allay some of Christine's fears. So. With the conversation that the staff had. So, so. The step we've been librarians for a very long time. And, and we've seen it all. And everything that we've seen, we also know. Is not going to go away. There is always going to be sex and drugs and alcohol use in libraries, especially in the bathrooms. And so I want, I want everybody to know, I want the community to know that the staff are coming from this place where. They want to protect everybody. And make everybody feel safe. And so when you look at. We're going to have to weigh a lot of these pros and cons, because you've got the privacy concerns. You've got the safety concerns. And you've also got public preference. And, and you've got some of the patrons over here who absolutely are very comfortable with full blown. You know, everybody using the same facilities. No problem. And then you've got the other end of the spectrum who was not comfortable with that at all. They all want single stalls. And so the library staff. We're really struggling with this. So, and, and in fact, I would call on George because he was a part of this conversation yesterday. Long, long story short, we kind of felt like this open concept idea was a great idea with floor to ceiling stalls, but also with the addition of a separate single stall. Bathroom, which yes, it's going to cost more money, but then it gives everybody an option. I before Alex talks, I didn't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I thought it was just a decision, which yes, it's going to cost more money, but then it gives everybody an option. I before Alex talks, I didn't know if George could sneak in a word or two. George. Yeah, really just echoing with Sharon said, I mean, I think. I think there's going to be absolutely no way to please everyone with this decision. I think it's going to come down to, what is the best compromise that's going to make. them as safe and comfortable as possible for, for, for our patrons. I don't think it's going to be, there's going to be one golden solution that's going to make everybody happy with this one. Right. Alex. Thanks. So, I'm going to share my screen again you have permission already but just so people know what you're talking about. So, Karen is talking about, so there are a couple of different types. So, this is a design at an elementary school. So it's an open design where you've got full privacy stalls. And so that's what she was referring to when she talked about the open design. This is a dog, which is just sort of classic Florida ceiling. And then this is at a university, which is kind of what Christine was talking about with the open sinks. And, you know, the one thing that I would say is in the feedback that I've gotten either from architects who do this, or from the public is that the design is critical. If it's not properly designed, that's, that's when they fail, right, is because people have to be comfortable walking into these bathrooms. And we have an opportunity because we're not trying to retrofit to gendered bathrooms, right, where people I mean, I go to Emerson and I, I still go right I know there's not a sign anymore but I know I go right you know. So I think having this opportunity to build something properly based on our community, not necessarily based on, you know, what somebody did at somewhere else is going to be really important for this to be successful so that we don't have to go back to gendered bathrooms. So again, I just like getting it right as Sharon said is really important to success. So I'm going to do the obligatory and there's also a cost element we know that those, you know, individual rooms have, you know, significantly higher costs because of HVAC requirements and things like that. So, I think we are also trying to keep this project within the constraints that we already have during an inflationary time. I think that we highly cognizant of what the costs are I know we want to get it right I know we want to meet everybody's needs, but they're also there's some things that we have to think about as we move down that road. So I just want to say, I'm a little now. I want to make sure I understand what we're hearing. So I think there's a little difference between what Craig was saying and what Alex was asking. I'm sure that I'm understanding that. I thought what Alex was saying was, is there still a possibility of moving to a more open concept design within the footprint. And Craig seemed to be saying, No, we've already made a decision in the archives of going ahead. Is that what you were saying Craig. Come on just say it I mean what were you saying, because probably what I was saying, however, seeing those images Alex show Alex would you be able to be willing to share your screen again and flash through. So this one here. Yeah, you can have this bathroom within within the footprint that we've already approved. Right, I'm presuming this is like looking at some stalls and there's some more stalls behind the camera where specifically you can have a sink you can have a low wall that same concept can can happen at in the footprint, or the layout that Alexander has come up with, or this wall could be in front of us with that yellow. I don't know if that's a post or a column that yellow thing that could be a solid wall in between the bathrooms on one side and then the bathrooms presumably behind the camera person. Alex if you flash to the next one. So this one. Yes, they could probably within the footprint configure something that look like this. It would be wider and it wouldn't be one row, it would still be two rows but they could probably do like syncs on one side. So yes they could probably do this one as well. And then if you go to the next one. And probably even do something similar to this where you've got no wall in between, and this kind of sink or laboratory stand. And then, if the town or library had to go back, then they would just you could rip that out and put in a new wall and put in, you know, old fashioned blocks. So, I'd like to revise what I was saying before, I think all of these schemes are doable within the footprint and general parameters that Michael Alexander is working with. Alex is that responsive. It is. So then my question is, when do we have to choose that format because I know it's not February, like, right, that's sooner run. So, this is part of the reason I close things that January 15, we decided to close things January 15. So like if we have that input by January 15 so that this group can then make that decision. Does that, does that work for fine gold. Craig. Well pending pending Craig's reappearance Christine. I mean, I would, I love the look of those three bathrooms. But the stalls are bigger square footage wise when you have a full door and I mean you can tell if we pull the pictures up they're bigger than I'm looking at the, you know, the schematic here and a standard bathroom has a much smaller footprint than I'm looking at the stall. So I don't know how so code is all about your load and how many toilets you need for the number of people that come in your facility. And I assume find gold just did to meet the minimum, because we have a function room there. I don't see how they would fit those bigger stalls in that same footprint. I'm also again concerned that there's, they've got to find some room for a single only stall. So I think FAA was trying to get us to say like, we agree on this size and this layout and I just hear us back peddling and questioning and I don't know if Craig, if you heard this or not but what does this mean for FAA. What I was trying to say when I lost my connection was in response to Alex is that I would have to ask FAA, you know so when they need to know the final final layout or when they, you know, when that would happen. It's sometime soon. It's definitely not like this summer, but it, you know, I'll ask them and I'm guessing it's going to be in the next couple weeks or month, month and a half. And then Christine. Oh, sorry. No, go ahead. I just want to respond to one of the things Christine was saying. And yes, I think it would be extremely helpful slash necessary to stay within the footprint that we've defined, but their current design has that maze entry, which takes a lot of space. And if they give up on that if we get rid of the maze entry and more of just an open door and the full privacy stalls, then there's a lot more room for the stalls and the sinks. So I think as long as we stay within that footprint. There is still some flexibility. So you let us know Craig Alex has said the survey is going to close on the 15th of January. And on the base of what you've just said but you want to let us know that's still within the frame in which we could get FAA to be responsive to what we learned. I will ask them but my gut feels that yeah they'll be able to make adjustments based on the feedback through the 15th. If the feedback that we get by the 15th, they'll make be able to make adjustments on the other side. Yeah. Great. Christine is your hands still up or is it new. One more question to Craig. So it's my understanding why they like part of why they have this like I call it like that airport entrance. You know, was one so that they had that wall which they said they could take down parts of it to give more of an island for the bathrooms but then it could easily be put back to gender which we but. But the main part is there's no doors. Like there's no doors and if yet you're not looking into the bathroom. So, that's the option I just want, you know, I wouldn't want to see doors are problematic we saw at UMass they ended up taking their doors off so yeah, I know they've got some tough. I would love to have a hard date when they have to have this area defined. And Craig will, Craig will get us that. We'll get that. Great. Christina you also. Yeah. Thank you so much. Okay, Alex anything else from outreach. I would say if you haven't sent out the survey and the pilot to everybody, you know, you should. Our next, our next public forum is Tuesday the 10th at 6pm. Right. And thank you. Thanks for organizing that. Okay. Next is correspondence I know of none. I anticipated by the chair. There are none that I didn't anticipate. Next is public comment. And we seem to have nine attendees. Thank you all for coming. If anybody would like to make a comment if you would raise your virtual hand. Okay. I see no request for public comment. Thank you all. Thanks for the work that colliers is doing. Thanks for your help. Let's adjourn the meeting. See you all soon. Thank you.