 So, Catherine, thank you again. I know it's back to back, but we are appreciative of your just time here with us. And so, tell us, how did you come to know the Lord as your savior? So, I was raised in a Christian home, amazing Christian parents. And so, I never not knew God. I have no memories of not knowing God and him being my Lord. I do remember age four being on my couch in the living room when my mom like asked if I wanted to accept Jesus in my heart. And I remember age four accepting Jesus in my heart. And I never wavered in terms of my faith, like believing that God is real and that he was my Lord. Never wavered, but it took the power of God for me to really surrender to Jesus. I loved God, but once I entered my teen years because I wasn't in love with him, because I hadn't actually met him yet, once I opened a door, partying the teenage life, boys, all of that, I dated an atheist. So, that opening the door led me down a lukewarm path where I became more distant from God. But I didn't know how to have a relationship with God all through that time. I loved God, but I was just like, I don't know how to do this, but I love God. And I love him a lot, but I don't know him that much. That's so good. That was the past. And then I encountered the power of God and it changed everything. And I fell in love with him and I surrendered. Now, how long have you been in ministry, just the length of the time you've been in ministry? How long has that been? It's been, it was five years, exactly five years since I received the prophecy that I'm called to be a minister, I'm called to be an apostle. And it was nine months exactly later. I didn't plan that, that God says start the church by, it was just worship nights at first on a mountain top in LA. Wow, wow, kind of open air mountaintop or in a building or how? Yeah, open air mountaintop on Mahal and Drive, overlooking the valley in LA. Wow, wow. So now you're a woman in ministry. Now a lot of people, I mean, there's a lot of people who feel two ways. A lot of people are like, hey, women should be in ministry. And some are like, you know, the man should be in ministry. And so what are your thoughts about women in ministry, in your opinion? Yes, well, the reason that a lot of people think that women shouldn't preach and or have a position of leadership like pastor comes from the scripture when Paul was speaking to a specific church at a specific time when he said women should remain silent and should ask their husbands at home if they have questions that they should not teach in the church. And the thing is, is that when we look at the Bible we need to look at the context of what was going on at that time, who was speaking, who they were speaking to, and the reasoning of why they were speaking that and understanding that God was speaking prophetically through people, through apostle Paul, right? Now, many people have a hard time understanding this context and they just take it religious like this scripture applies completely exactly for all women of all time. They take it that way simply because their spiritual eyes aren't open. Number one, they aren't opened to the fact that God speaks prophetically through ministers, through vessels. So for example, during the COVID season this was the time that Christian leaders, ministers were called to speak a prophetic message. This is what God's doing now. This is what we should do now. This is what the scheme of the devil is in the spiritual realm, et cetera. That's a prophetic message. So if that was written in the Bible today it wouldn't make sense to apply it completely exactly the same if it was saying COVID, for example, 10 years from now. And so when Paul was speaking to this he was speaking to these women who were being disruptive in the church and in those times were not walking with wisdom at all there was a lot of stuff of the enemy going on in that time that a lot of the women were following in that way and so they were in the church and they were zealous about being important, being seen and speaking and so they were being disruptive, they were being loud. And so he spoke prophetically, women do not speak in the church because he could see that this was a specific strategy of the enemy at that time to try to keep the word of God from going forth. So he saw prophetically to these people right now women don't speak to these people right now not all women for all time. It's the same and I even had one time there was a woman who was, who manifested demons during a service and I was commanding the demons to leave and the dad came, the dad was there and he wasn't quite ready to fully surrender to God yet and so you need to be surrendered for all the demons to go, right? Otherwise you could just be religious and the demons could be working through you but they don't, they have to stay, they can't be cast out by me if you're not giving permission for the demons to go. So there is a situation where the father starts marching towards me when I had finished, I had stopped preaching for a moment to cast the demons out because the demons were speaking out of the girl don't talk about me in the middle of the message. So I started casting the demons out and as I was doing that the father comes down and you could just see it was a strategy of the enemy to stop the word of God from going forth. He takes the Bible in his hand and he says you need to preach the word of God and it just became this like religious attack and I could see that it wasn't time for me with wisdom to cast demons out of him, I knew it was demonic, right? But the demons then were speaking out of the girl I'm using him right now to distract. The demon said out of the girl. So do you know what I said with wisdom, right? Because remember I explained, God showed me it's not time for you to cast demons out of him right now because he needs to surrender first. So with wisdom, I said, sir, sit down because he kept trying to be like you need to preach the word of God. Huge distraction. Yeah, so I said sir, you need to sit down and be quiet. I said that, right? So that could be written in the Bible if we were writing the Bible today. Yes. That could be written. I wasn't saying that for all men. I was saying that for that man at that specific time with wisdom because he was not obedient to God and God, the devil was using him to try to distract. So that's what was happening with that scripture and it's been taken out of context for so long. It says in the Bible that God will pour out his spirit on all flesh, men and women they will all prophesy. We see in the Old Testament and New Testament God using women to speak through and to lead in offices of leadership. There's judges in the Old Testament. We see prophetesses in the New Testament. We see people who had true offices of leadership in the fivefold ministry in the New Testament. So it is absolutely God's will to use men and women and the men and women roles like man and wife are different. We're not married in heaven, right? So there's this, that women submit to men as their husbands. That doesn't apply to how God wants to use you to minister. Amen, that's a marriage role, right? But the Holy Spirit is the same in me as it's in you. Absolutely. It's not female version. It's not male version. It's not more authority version here in man. It's the same Holy Spirit. So he's able to use me as much as you. It's the same Holy Spirit. And so God wants to use men and women because then he can do more work in his kingdom. Amen? Of course there's so much attack on women because the devil is trying to take out half the people of God from doing the work of God. That's so good. Check. Now it's time to take a stand, ladies. Amen. It is time men to speak the truth and not be silent. Because this is Jesus, this is a serious deal. This is not to play around with, to be saying women can't preach, you're speaking against God. It's God in the woman. That's so good. That reminds me, our students, our interns now, this is the ministry program. And one of the things that we're starting off with is biblical interpretation and application. It's not, we don't believe something because great granddad believed it. That was his belief, but we're going back into scripture. We're looking at what that meant for the people of the time, the context, the understanding, the who was directed to who it came from, the prophetic overcast of that time. And so it's all of these things. And so that's so good women. You should be in ministry. And so we believe that. And so, okay, let's move on to deliverance. Just a, you know, you have an anointing for that, for deliverance and the church, this church age is going into seeing more of that in the body of Christ. What was your scariest, let's say, encounter with deliverance? One of your just more like, whoa, this was really intense, or I wasn't expecting that. What would you say to that? So I wasn't afraid because Jesus strengthened me. Amen. Because we should never be afraid of demons. Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. God is in you. Demons are terrified of you because you have God in you. Amen. So we should never be afraid. They are liars. They try to intimidate. They try to make you be afraid so that you won't take authority over them. That's their scheme. So that was a pop quiz. I was just waiting to hear you say that, but you did good, you did good. What was the wildest though, kind of experience you've had? So I wasn't afraid, but it was surprising. I was ministering at an event and I was, so many people were being set free. So many demons were trembling. I was casting up demons in the front here. And then there was a gentleman who had, who demons started speaking out of. And I forget exactly what he said, but I think he says, what about me or something? Like really loud like screaming it in the middle of the crowd. And I knew it wasn't the man. I knew it was demons speaking through him. So I said, come here. And he said it so aggressively like, what about me? And he's a big, big, tall, big man. And I said, come here to the demons, not the man. I'm saying come here to the demons in the man. So he comes forward and they're just acting so intimidating, so intimidating to me. And you can see people all around are afraid for me. Like, what should we do? And he wasn't being aggressive like physically. He wasn't going towards me. I stood my ground and I knew that they couldn't hurt me. And I just didn't let the demons play around and didn't let the demons intimidate. And I just commanded them to leave and they left hallelujah. Come on, glory, glory, glory. That's so good. We are gonna ask one more question. We have many questions, but we're gonna ask one more question and then I'm gonna allow one of the interns, we'll have interns go first and then a person from the guests that are here, but Christians. Now, a lot of people in this time where deliverance is becoming more just visible, more churches are operating in that, you know, Jesus did it. And so Christians in churches, can Christians have demons? What is your view on that? Yes, because God gives us free will. First of all, he gives us completely free will. So just because you say I'm a Christian doesn't mean you can live however you want to live in life's perfect and dandy. You have to choose to surrender. You have to choose to shut the doors to the devil. The word of God gives us all of the instructions of how to close every door to the devil. It also gives us instructions of how to be completely free if there's bondage, if there's past generational curses. It gives us every instruction. It's so precious. For example, do not give a foothold to the devil. That's an instruction given to us. So it's saying if you give a foothold to the devil there will be consequences. Whatever you sow, you will reap. So if you're opening doors up to the enemy the enemy can come in because we're given free will. In the kingdom of God it is about free will. You can give authority to God or authority to the devil. And the word of God gives us all instructions of how to give complete authority to God. It's not as simple as I give my life to Jesus and now I can do whatever. I can live however, I can speak however and I'm just perfect. I'm protected completely. You have to apply the word of God. For example, the power of life and death is in your tongue. So if you're speaking death, what's actually happening in spiritual realm is you're giving a foothold to the devil, you're opening the door to the devil and now demons can come in. We are completely protected from demons. We will not have any demons in us if we apply the word of God seriously. So I think so many people have a problem with this because it like freaks them out. They're like, well, how could God allow that or something? You know, like, no, demons can't be in us. But he gives us instructions in his word and he gives us free will. Amen. And so it's like addictions. Addiction is a spiritual bondage. Like when you're an addiction, it's control over you. It's not hard to see when you have spiritual eyes that that's a spiritual bondage. But carnal Christians, they know, okay, if I'm going to dabble with drugs and alcohol, that's gonna be dangerous and I'll probably be addicted if I start doing that or anything, porn, sex, anything. I'm gonna be addicted. There's gonna be consequences. But the carnal Christians that have a problem with it, they're not understanding that in the spiritual realm, that addiction is actually a demon because you've opened up the door. So now they're allowed to come in. So it's because spiritual eyes aren't opened up that so many people struggle with this. But yes, Christians can have demons, but it's God's will for everyone to be set free and it's in his power and it's his plan. And when we can rise up and walk in authority, those demons can go immediately. When we are surrendered to God, when you're willing to be completely free and surrender to God. That's so good, Catherine. That's so good. It reminds me of when a Christian, a believer, a firecracker for the Lord is in their car, listening to worship music, praising the Lord in their car on a Monday morning and a car swerves in and the Christian filled of the Lord says a few colorful words out the window, honks, some signals, they come back in their car, they're like, but I'm Christian. And I'm like, well, hold on, God desires for you to be humble. If you say, hey, you know what? He passed, you know, and kind of like submit to that. You know, obviously be safe and drive, you know, but sometimes it's like you have that ability to almost step out of the will of God. That almost like not perfect, but rather permissible. He allows it to happen because, you know, if not we'll be robots. We wouldn't have that free will. So that's really interesting. Christians can have demons guys. It's true, but God's power saves. And so that's what we need to remember. So I wanna ask the crowd here, a few interns and then like I said, we'll take a few people from the back. If you have a question, just slip your up your hand and we're, oh, okay, okay, nice, nice, nice. All right, all right, all right. Let me see, let me see. Catherine, you could select them if you'd like. Okay, you right here? All right, David. So just loud and proud and... Yeah, so I was wondering what are the qualifications of an apostle? Like what makes an apostle an apostle? Called by God. Not self-appointed, but appointed by God, anointed by God. You can't just say, I'm an apostle because I think this is what I'm called to do. And that's the case for all of the five-fold ministers, pastors, evangelists, teachers, apostles, prophets. You have to be called by God. And that's, we see Jesus could see what God had put in the original disciples and no one else could see. So he sees that and he says, I see that God's called him to be an apostle. So he calls them. So it is as simple as God chooses. He got, God chooses, he has this plan. You're called for this. You're called to be an apostle. So that's the qualifications. And it should be, it should be confirmed through a true five-fold minister, either a prophet, apostle or operating in the prophetic. It should always be confirmed. There should always be, yes, confirmed by the fruits and evidence in their ministry and their life. This is a true prophet or true five-fold minister that, yes, has confirmed. I see in the spiritual realm, this is an apostle. That's how it should be. We don't see that a lot today. It's a lot of like, I feel I want to be a pastor or my dad was a pastor, but there's a lot of people that aren't actually anointed but self-appointed. That's so good. It's like a family Christian mafia, from the father to the son to this grandson. But we have a question from social media. Anne Martinez, seven, thank you for submitting your questions. And actually we have a lot of questions from social media, but we'll only take a few. Anne Martinez, seven says, what if you live in a, this is having to do with deliverance or demonic activity. What if you live in a family home with demonic objects? It's not your things, it's their thing. Should I try to move it out? What should I do with these objects? If they're not mine, but I live in this home. Well, first, surrender to God and show God your heart. I don't want these in my house. I don't want any foothold of the devil in my life at all. And when you do that, God's gonna open up doors and show you exactly what you need to do. It could be moving out. For many people it's moving out, but many people might not have the faith for that. But God's able. So if you're living with someone who has so much demonic attachments, witchcraft, and they don't willingly want to remove it, God doesn't want you to be there with all of that, demonic things. So he will make a way for you to have a clean, pure, sanctified place. If you seek him and believe, he will open up the doors. He will do the impossible. That's so good. It kind of brings him in my mind kind of that up. You have people who aren't even willing to move out. The Lord gives people free will. Sometimes us as human, now I agree with you. You're gonna surrender yourself. You're gonna have conversations with the owner of the house. Hey, why do you have that? And there's steps that you go through. At the end of the day, if God won't come in and just kick their stuff out, because he's a God who gives free will, why do we think we should? And on top of that, are we willing to even move out? And I would even ask, if it's you or someone you know, would you be willing? One, obviously surrender yourself. That's like in gray spot. That's give yourself to the Lord. But also say, hey, you know what? I've done everything. I've done all the steps. I've done all the research. I've brought people in. They don't want to budge. And I don't want to live in a place like this. Are you willing to even just move out? And still can continue praying and all these things. Let's take a question from another intern. We'll do a guest. And then we'll do some social media ones. And about six minutes left. And so I want to take advantage. So if you could choose again, if you'd like. All right, you gentlemen with, yeah, yeah. We'll bring a mic to you here in a moment so that live stream can hear you as well. What's your view on or practical tips for self-deliverance? And how can you know that you're fully free by yourself through that? So surrender is key to being set free. That's number one. And as you surrender, God will lead you to lead you perfectly to be completely free. It's simple. You need to start with a surrender because then as you surrender, God will reveal to you when that's your heart, God will reveal to you. You need to shut this door. This door is still open. You need to shut this door. You were kind of ignoring my voice for a while but now that you surrendered, you can see this door, you actually have to shut. It's actually a door that the enemy's coming in. He'll start to lead you in that way. And then it is very important to renounce. This is a big part of receiving deliverance. Is renouncing, which is to say this door was open for the enemy in my life before. I did it or maybe it was trauma or abuse that happened to me or maybe it was past generations. It was some way that the enemy's come into my life where there's been bondage. I renounce it, meaning I don't want it in my life anymore. I don't want God's will. I don't want the devil's will. I want God's will. That's the action of renouncing. That's what it really means. So you say I renounce the words of death I spoke. I renounce this bad thing that I did to this person. I renounce the trauma that happened to me, et cetera. These are the big keys of what you need to do on your own. And the Bible says that the anointing destroys the yoke. The anointing destroys the yoke. An anointing is the measure of the power of God that God puts in vessels. Elijah was walking in anointing. Elisha was walking in anointing. Moses, Joshua, Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter, the apostles in the Acts church, they were carrying anointing power of God. And they would bring, the Bible says that if you want to see in the Bible, what did people do when they were possessed? When they had demons, when they were sick? What did they do? The Bible says they all came to the church, positioned themselves where the anointing was flowing for every yoke to be destroyed. And it says every demon would leave and every sickness would be healed. It says in the Bible that we are in a spiritual war, not a carnal war of principalities, rulers, spiritual forces. These are actually talking about different levels of demonic powers. So some of you may have lower level demons where it doesn't require a high level anointing and that self-deliverance could take place by just you shutting the doors, renouncing, surrendering to God. But I'm telling you that you really need to be at a place where anointing's flowing, where anointing's flowing. Like I explained to you before how I was at church for so long and I was just staying the same. I needed the anointing to feed my spirit so I could even have my spiritual eyes opened so I could be surrendered to God. So positioning yourself where anointing is is key even for the self-deliverance to take place, even for the places of surrender. Anointing's supposed to be in every church. It's rare now, but this should be a no-brainer. Go to church, make church an important part of your life because anointing's there. Surrender to God, close the doors, renounce. But it's important for you to know, like the lower level demons might not need the higher level anointing, but there might be the higher level demons. And that requires the higher level anointing that operates through vessels like how we see. Extraordinary anointing it says through Apostle Paul. He had, unusual. That's why it says every demon was being cast out. There was no such thing as two powerful demons in the time of the axe church. And that's how it should be and is now today. So when you can just have that position, I'm gonna position myself where anointing's flowing, surrender, God's gonna set you free. It could take multiple times. Sometimes there's layers of deliverance and needs to take place. But as you keep surrendering, keep seeking God, keep being willing to renounce more and more and position yourself where anointing's flowing and believe that God will fully set you free, He will set you free completely. So good, so good. Give us some snaps, some snaps. We're fancy here, we're fancy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we're gonna take a question from our live audience, our guests. And so if you have questions, just lift your hand up. If you have a question in the live audience, if you do it, if not, we have more questions. No? In the back? Oh, in the back, okay. So Michael, all the way in the back, just wave your hand so Michael can see you. Michael, just run a little bit, yeah, yeah. Man of God, strong, quick. Okay, what is your question? My question has to do with the levels. We have my little guy here and self-learning for the last 15 years, we adopted him. And he, what I've learned and I've been able to cast out the lower levels, some of the aggression and such, but he manifests like this. And when I go to just start praying over him and saying they have to leave, it's as if he looks through me and he starts laughing. So he's seeing things in me, which has caused me to do my work. However, I haven't been able to get to the root of his behaviors. I know the difference between, God has shown me the difference between both of my adopted special needs kids. He's typical, he's got some, he just came from a really bad situation and it is, he just got balled up and he just is balled up. And so how do I get to the place of authority in myself? When I feel, I am so excited and so like thrilled, but then when he distracts me, well, the spirits distract me in him. And we've been asked to leave several times at different places where we've went for ministry. And so, good. Do you wanna come forward with him? Hallelujah. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, God. Hi. So you said he's adopted? We adopted him at four and he has, he came from a very dark, had a lot of darkness in his past. There's really no record of what? It's what God's revealed through just praying a lot and just seeking God. And he was, we got him to speak when he was about four years old, four and a half. He's continually had death spoken over him through doctors and just give up on him, put him in an institution. And God placed him with us and we're loyal and he's made in the image of God. Yes. And like you said, it's the childlike faith that I see in him and I just get so excited for his future. He's 21 and he does love Jesus. He will praise God with me and we sing mercy me all the time. And we're praising all the time. But when we get into a worship setting with other, amongst other believers where it's more on fire and the spirits move and he will manifest. And he used to grab my hair and just, it was a demon, there was no other way. And I went to other places to try to, your story and thinking how you're so young, how can you have my story? Because that is, nobody understands. And they look at him and they wanna dismiss him and I go, clearly he has stuff. But he should be talking and behaving in a godly manner because God loves him and God is in him. Amen. Amen, hallelujah. God wants to free him right now. There's power, as I was speaking of the higher levels, when we position ourselves and understand the kingdom authority, the kingdom authority, we're in a kingdom government, right? So when you renounce in the presence of anointing where a higher level authority is, it's making the demons have to leave where they might not have before, the higher level demons. This power of renouncing in the presence of the anointing. So do you want to renounce now? You can renounce on behalf of his parents too. I renounce. Any kind of generational curses. Failure to thrive. I renounce mental retardation. I renounce physical abuse. I renounce all death words spoken over him. I renounce all spirits or words of failure and lack of living and rejection, unwantedness, orphan, poverty, neglect, trauma, witchcraft. Thank you, God. And do you want to renounce now on behalf of his biological parents? I renounce lawlessness, mental health, mental trauma, neglect, failure to parent, hopelessness. Yes, buddy, I love you. Hopelessness just really feels strong in it and... Thank you, God. Praise your Jesus. Hallelujah. I detach him now from all that you renounce now in Jesus' name. I break every generational curse off of him now in Jesus' name. Every generational curse that came through his biological parents, I break it off of him now in Jesus' name. And on three, I commend every demonic spirit that was attached to what was just renounced for him now. Everyone caused a mental sickness. Everyone's stopping him from worshiping God and prospering. On three, you almost leave him in Jesus' name. One, two, three, out of him in Jesus' name. Every demonic spirit that's keeping him from being in the presence of God must leave in Jesus' name. Every mute spirit must leave him now in Jesus' name. I speak complete freedom. It must continue from today, a complete freedom to him in Jesus' name. From today, he must be able to come in the presence of God. No demons can make him leave the house of God. No demons can make him stop doing the work of God and the calling God's put on his life. He must speak well in Jesus' name. And I declare creative miracles to him now, creative miracles in his mind, in Jesus' name. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. It really is anointing to you now. Be made new in your mind, in Jesus' name. Hallelujah. God's begun a great work today. He's begun a great work today. I encourage you to, you can watch my lives and there's so many testimonies of deliverance happening just by watching. So, and even for children when they're in the same room. So just play it, the anointing's flowing and it will be continual, you know, not right away but continual, but nothing is impossible for Jesus. So you keep surrendering and seeking him and positioning yourself where the anointing is flowing, where God's power is moving and he will be free in Jesus' name. God's will must be done. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Well, this concludes our time with Q and A. We wanna let you know that tonight is gonna be a live service here at 7 p.m. So you don't wanna miss it. Doors will open most likely at 6.30. So please get here early, seats will fill up. We will have an overflow available as well. But besides that guys, better's not good enough. The best is yet to come.