 Yeah, it is private property I was sort of lost walk lost for words like There we go. We're back again. So what do you think happens to the dairy cows when they can't produce milk anymore? Well, it's true come and debate. I'll see you on YouTube. Have you? Have you really mate? Yeah, buddy Did you just come back from the dairy show? Are you a farmer hey gone buddy, what's your name? Richard Morley Richard Morley. Oh cool Yeah, are you a dairy farmer? You don't want to have a conversation about why milk isn't murder? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you do I've seen you. I've seen you're very good. You take some arguing with okay Thanks, buddy. I appreciate that. We are I'm sure we can have a civilized discussion one time mate. Thank you, buddy But how cool is that? That that we are from opposing so I obviously disagree completely with what he does for a living But the way that he come up to me shook my hand civilly and said that he appreciates the arguments that I give I thought that that was a Really genuine thing for him to do even though I don't appreciate the exploitation of the dairy cows. I Guess suppose it's pretty hard for a dairy farmer who knows what happens to all their dairy cows to sort of Oppose This fact, you know because it's quite objectively true and all it takes is someone to look up standard standard industry practice to know that all dairy cows are slaughtered for beef Are you farmers you dairy farmer you are So what do you do with your dairy cows when they finish producing for you They die naturally do your cows die naturally You send them to the slaughterhouse, I'm not I think they're all sent to the slaughterhouse This is all being filmed by the way So I'm just lit but it's standard practice for dairy cows when they stop producing milk to be sent off to slaughter I think we are kinder to our cows and people are kinder to the older people But you send your cows to the slaughterhouse we wouldn't do that to older people that's all I'm saying no But you'd let them suffer. I would let an older person suffer not if it was in my control I wouldn't kill them though. Ah, but sometimes it's kinder. Do you eat our cows? Do you eat beef? Only if it's our own would you eat an older person if there was a you know So we don't treat animals like we treat people you wouldn't bury them Sorry Well, I don't know wouldn't I wouldn't support the slaughter of human beings But your cows suffering you told me that your cows aren't suffering So euthanasia if they're suffering So all your dairy cows are suffering and that's why you send them to the slaughterhouse So what about the ones that aren't suffering? What about the ones that aren't suffering? Do they get slaughtered too? Do all your cows go to the slaughterhouse That's a different context that's that's in their best interest dairy industry is not in the cows best interest here So producing milk from dairy cows isn't in there I eat all plant-based food. Yeah, so where does all your plants come from? The plants that I eat where do they come from farms? Yeah, we Sorry, what do you eat do eat avocados? No bananas? Sometimes I eat berries I Oats I eat Yeah, and unless you fertilize the land What's this got to do with whether or not milk is murder by the way? I'm asking I'm saying milk is murder change my mind and are you saying that it's not murder to slaughter dairy cows? You don't agree you ought to come to the farm and spend some time Can I yeah, we do being quite happy for it. Well, give me your email address. How do I conduct? I'll come to the farm Yeah, we can film some can I follow the cows to the slaughterhouse To film them being slaughtered so I can show people you stop the hell I'll kill it I'm opposed to hello as well I'm opposed to both though. I don't think shooting the cow in the head and slashing their throat is good either though And I'm not saying that you're a bad person, you know, you've just been brought up into dairy farming culture Okay, so I think that you don't think what you're doing is morally wrong, but from the cows point of view They don't want to be slaughtered do they? I think that there's a completely different context and scenario that's a survival situation what we're doing to cows is unjustified We don't have a we don't have a reason to do this to cows, but we have the cow, right? We cover down we look after that car. It's our best you take away from the mother the calf away from the mother Listen, I fed more calves and kept yes or no. That's all right. What is it? Yes or no? Do you take the calf away from the mother? Yes, do they pine out for that? Do you know why because some of the cows will not suck their mothers Do the mother's do you know that to the mother's do the mother's pine out for their calves? The cows are used to it. They're used to it. I'm asking whether they pine out for the young They become used to it Maybe the third or fourth carving but the first carving do they pine out for the young? Sometimes yes, sometimes you get humans that kill their children. Should we take all children away from mothers here, too? Should we take children away from others? I don't think taking children away from mothers is okay. Just so we can have cheese When we can have vegan cheese made of plants. No slaughterhouses needed So you'd rather kill all the cows then you don't look I'd rather not breed them to exploit them and kill them I'd rather just leave animals be Leave them be I'd rather not be exploited and killed for cheese That's all They didn't exist before we started farming them not not not the hybrids we have now I don't think exploitation is okay not for cheese Make cheese out of coconut milk You like it I'd buy it off you if you if you produced it I'd buy it and promote it maybe Saw your milk trust so your milk anyway, there's plenty of other options obviously that lady she didn't I don't think she really knew the She's never really considered the ethical implications of what she does I kind of feel a little bit Bad for her like in a way like it's all she's all she's ever known. You know what I mean like What did you guys think of that conversation Yeah, I know because she's a dairy farmer she she knows she sends all her cows to the slaughterhouse all I'm saying is milk is murder That's all like I'm not saying I'm not trying to be like oh you're a horrible person She's been brought up into farming culture. You know I mean she thinks it's not it's actually so normalized people don't even look at it as wrong But people don't know obviously follow their cows to the slaughterhouse and watch them bleed out either Yeah, well, it's just a requirement for them to be profitable business They have to slaughter them at some stage and produce and breed more and keep that process going and sell them off a beef and Otherwise, it's just not gonna be profitable or doable. So I Don't Use that She said could sometimes a cow kills their baby, but how many humans kill their babies We don't take children away from mothers because some humans kill their babies you know this is a Challenge 22 it's a vegan challenge. So if when you purchase dairy products You're supporting this industry that you're probably morally against, you know in your heart You don't want to see what happens to cows, but when you pay for dairy products You know and here this is called dairy is scary. Sorry. They're a bit worn these cards. I've had them for a while You want to sit down? You agree with me Kinda yeah, yeah, so the statement is milk is murder. I Don't drink milk So do you any dairy products at all do you get cheese? Yeah, I do. Yeah, but I don't have a lot of it You don't have a lot of it So if everyone were to not have a lot of Dairy so say everyone had a little bit of chocolate cheese here and there How much how many slaughterhouses do you think would have to be open to slaughter those dairy cows when they stop producing? Not a lot not a lot No, but do you think a smaller amount of slaughterhouses is better than no slaughterhouses? I think there's no slaughterhouses to be honest be better if there wasn't a place that was built specifically to murder animals Yeah, well technically it's the circle of life really, you know the cows eat the grass We eat the cows technically we're classed as you know grass eaters as well because they eat the grass We can just eat the plants directly to you there. Yeah. Well, yeah like nuts and oats and everything else But we've got plenty of plant foods to eat There's no not necessary for us to kill each other or to kill cows or to kill other animals Well, no, you don't see each other killing each other You know, we wouldn't say circle of life if I killed someone. No, we would say that's murder go to jail Yeah, exactly why it's exactly the same like you murder someone you go to jail Why is it different for any animal? Well any animal flat? Yeah, I guess what are the justifications people use to consume dairy and meat and stuff? No, if they want to eat that then that's your choice But how what are the reason what's their reasoning behind consuming that not quite sure nutrients protein taste? What are they? Wow Why do you consume animal products? Because it's nice they taste nice and yeah, it's all you've been ever been taught. It's all you've known But then again, I like you know veggies and Fruit which I like to rather eat but then again, you know go to McDonald's you get a cheeseburger That's my dad a cow, but they got a spicy veggie trio there That's actually vegan friendly So, you know, you can get vegan burgers and vegan cheese and vegan ice cream vegan pizza vegan burritos all those things as well Yeah, you can get loads of vegan stuff I just think everyone should just try vegan and see if their opinion on it people just go It's vegan, you know, it's horrible, but if you haven't tried it and try it, you know, there's nothing wrong in trying new things What do you think's more horrible vegan food or slaughtered animal bodies? slaughtered animal bodies, okay? Definitely well if you think about it Well, if you go to a slaughterhouse on that you look at the way they've been treated and You just turn around you're like, yeah, I don't want to eat that, you know I personally don't eat pig because I like pigs and I wouldn't save all the pigs But that's my opinion. Do you think someone's like abilities should dictate their rights of life? Not really no, but like I like you know Animals can't speak to us. So they can't really say oh, no, I don't want to be killed Yeah, we could just presume that by them avoiding the bolt guns and knives that they don't want to be killed Yeah, yeah, exactly. Why you know, it's like poachers who hunt Yeah, I understand they have to hunt to live, but poachers have to hunt to live Yeah, some of them. So a poacher is someone who like, you know might hunt elephants and take their tusks and sell their tusks on a black market or whatever No, don't agree with that at all So when you bring survival into the context that changes the situation doesn't it because you're doing what you got to do to survive Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but if you'd like people do it for sport, why do it? Just go and do something else and so killing innocent animals. So they're getting pleasure out of killing animals But when we say our animal products taste nice, we're sort of getting pleasure out of killing animals. Yeah, pretty much So it's not really morally different, is it? No, not really It's the action that causes, you know, the action of purchasing animal products supports the industry that causes the murder of animals, yeah? Yeah, definitely Good. Yeah, it's not really a debate here. It's more like you're agreeing with these two points You're actually making some good points yourself Well Hey Ho, you gotta try and save everything. You promise to try our vegan challenge and then email me tell me how you go Yeah, definitely. Okay, Joey Carvstrong on Instagram. You can tell me how you do Yeah, how do you know? YouTube. You see me on YouTube. Of course I have Big fan. But wait, you're not a vegan. You're a fan of my work, but you're not a vegan. How does that work? I just think you're a amazing guy. He just Shows everyone there's a different part of it. Well, you know what I think would be more amazing if everyone tried vegan If you did Well, I will do. Okay, really nice talking to you. Thank you so much So all in all I would say that that was Successful day very interesting quite weird being in there at that dairy show Not very convinced by anyone not not really Willing to change my mind based on the arguments people gave We're very convincing. I still think milk is murder and Completely and utterly one of the most bizarre things that we do to animals is the dairy industry You know raping animals impregnating them sucking their udders for their baby fluid Killing calves and then murdering them and eating their bodies afterwards. It's like something out of a horror movie Replace the cows with humans and you've just created a horror movie