 Yeah, so I just added you into our email list, but I, yeah, I didn't know if that's you wanted to keep coming to these meetings or if you wanted to join the committee or yeah. Yeah, I think I appreciate being added to the distribution list because I definitely want to stay up on what you're doing. But right now I feel like I shouldn't join the committee. I just, I mean, I've been in my job for a year but it feel like I'm still in transition because of the pandemic and you know my learning curve was much flatter than it than it might have been if I had been in person and being trained so I appreciate that and I probably will keep coming because I'm really interested in the topic and I'm also attending the police review committee meetings because the work is all intertwined. And I want to be available for you know to help with any way I can if there's anything that the Justice Center can can assist with so yeah but so thank you and and staying on the email list is awesome. Great. Um, we all do just review and approve the minutes public comments of education learning around people report backs and related city committees and then creative discourse work plan updates so look at the survey results and distribution, and then any fundraising or recruitment. And we all talk about that when I get there. And the committee chair meeting so update and requested materials from the city. Dates agenda other considerations, other business. And so the next meeting, and I'm just realizing I think I had committed to coming up with a draft agenda for that meeting and I never I did didn't even realize that I can do it until right now. So apologies for dropping that ball. Um, to anything. Yeah, anything else to add have a salad to folks. Good. So let's take a look at Michael's minutes. Anyone want to make a motion to approve. I move we approve the minutes. And Lauren seconds. Thanks. Long favor. Hi, any post. All right. Thank you so much Michael. You're welcome. I'm on my own today. It's going to be harder without Carol and Cameron's backup, which I'll muddle through. You've got it. I'm going to go back to the work I hear. Okay. And then any public comment or self education and learning round table. Anyone's been reading, watching, listening, learning. Anything on racial social economic justice recently that they want to share. The newspapers. Nothing, nothing for me other than the newspapers. I've definitely been a few weeks. Yeah, all the, all the time. I'll just share that May day is on Saturday and there's a rally at the state house. If anyone is interested, I can find that link and put it in the chat. Rally for what? For May day. So, okay. I think that's a big like labor organizing day, Michael. Yeah, I just wanted to be sure that. Yeah, that's the, so. I mean, there are so many things that one could be rallying for. That is so true. In this case, it is tied to that. And nothing else. I always share all the things. I just wanted to make sure that. I just wanted to make sure that. Report backs from other related city committees. So I. Please review committee and city council. Anything else that would be helpful to have report backs from. I'll report for the city. The police review. First of all, Shayna. No, not you. Cameron. No. Keisha. Thank you. We attended the last meeting that was Monday and gave an update on. What's going on with the survey. And review some of the questions that are. The question that's most relevant to us. We're starting to pull together. Our report. A draft of our report. First draft is first draft to do. We want to get a draft out to the public. And by the, I think the end of May is what we, we said. So we're starting, we're starting to, to narratives. And the final reports do by the end of June. So we're hoping to be able to make that deadline. Any questions on any of that. Yeah. Yeah, I think we need to. Like reality check when there's going to be a full draft to get public comment on. And then how that will be done. A lot of. A lot of sections, a lot of complexity to it. So. It hasn't been written yet. So we're not scheduling anything until we have something in hand. Yeah, I think we need to. Like reality check when there's going to be a full draft to get public comment on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you are doing with the committee with our patients doing with the committee and then we'll. So it will be like an iterative process within the committee before going out to public permit. I'm sorry. This is a very dumb question. I'm just like, I don't wrap my head around it. Ask, ask it again. I'm sorry. I didn't, they didn't follow it. Like, are you co-writing it with the committee? And with Kasia or it's like Kasia's writing it and don't go to. Kasia will, they'll do their summary and that's relevant for us. We will know about, we will get a copy of it or we'll get the text. Okay. But they're not writing any part of our report. We're just, we're just waiting to hear what the results of the survey show. And we'll incorporate it into our report. Yeah. Thanks, Michael. Anything. From the city or anywhere else. I mean, the. The things that are on the agenda. I again. Like the, I think. Figuring out the, how we spend this one time money. Like I would love. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would love to have this committee to be thinking about how there's process around that in a way that is. You know, prioritizing social justice and how we think through that. So thinking of like the tool that. This group had developed and all that. So, but that timeline. It is still not totally clear to me. I mean, some of the money doesn't even come in for a year. So there's, there's time. Some of it comes in pretty soon. I mean, I don't know how long it's going to take to start getting made, but. But that's, that's one piece. There is the. I mean, policy-wise. I'm trying to get what's. What intersects most with this group. You know, there, there have been questions around the home energy ordinance, which I know we talked about two weeks ago. And I know like Michael had emailed me and I owe you an email, Michael. I've heard it. I've heard it. I've heard it. From people who were curious about that or had like more specific questions or if I can talk, happy to talk to anyone offline if. I don't want to take too much of our shared. Time together. But. One. I'll ask one question about. Yeah. When that was being discussed. And drafted, did you use the, did the council use the, the. the model of equity decision-making that we had submitted, was that brought into the discussion? No, that's a good question. I've like been thinking through that, but more just like, but okay, who benefits? Who, you know, is this a potential burden on? And like, so I've been kind of like thinking through it, but we didn't do an explicit exercise around that. Yeah, I might talk to Ann about that. That's a good idea to like try to even get that on paper to do that, because like, to me, it's like clearly a pro-equity thing. And like the concerns I'm hearing, some of them just aren't accurate about what this ordinance actually does, but I think there's general, there are people who will have, you know, a burden from doing this, and there's other people who will benefit. So it's like getting that all down and like making sure our own, those of us who are like just in it, our biases are being like, of just being like bought into it, are like actually make sense on paper to people. So that's a great idea. I am gonna- The main critique that's come from Peter Kilman, says a lot about that. I mean, he makes that one of his kind of central points in some, in a way that's very difficult to kind of pull apart and understand exactly. But I think it would be good to know that the council actually thought about those issues as an answer to his, one of his fundamental criticisms. Yeah. And like there has been a lot of thought about it, but we didn't use that specific rubric. So, but I think that rubric would be helpful to get it down. And yeah, some of the like equity critiques he's bringing forward, I think fundamentally misunderstand what this actually requires of people. But I wanna make sure that that's true. And there are obviously with anything, there's genuine equity issues and considerations and pros and cons, like there are to everything. So I think some of what he's saying is not right, but there's other things that are not part of what he's saying that I think are true. And some of what he's saying is true. And some I think is a little off base. But all right, well, I'm totally happy to do that. And then that's something I would love to share with this group and just see if like, just be an email and see if people have thoughts or like things that seem missing or concerns. We do have one more meeting. So it says this discussion got bumped to May 12 at city council because we haven't heard from the lawyer who was looking at some revised language to try to respond to some of the community concerns. So I believe we have one more meeting. Like I think we've got a meeting that morning. So we'd have a chance to have a discussion before council is taking it up for any action. So I'll put that on my list to work on and then share with you all. Does that sound okay? Thanks, yeah. Thanks for that idea, Michael. Put May 12th on the calendar. Good questions. Anything else there? We're going to work on updates. So we are, we're chugging along here folks. So we've got the survey out. Huge thank you to Michael for going, you know, doing the paper delivery to Jeremy for posting up from Fort Forum, for Pelham for posting up from Fort Forum this week. And I'm sure I like shout out if you've had enough of that success posting it somewhere else that you wanna share. What's in here? I'm trying to get it into the library. I haven't been able to connect with the librarians but I'm going to go try again today. I dropped off paper copies. You did? Yeah, I just dropped them off. I was like, here, can you take these? So I did it. I liked like five or 10, but. Well, maybe that's why they didn't call me back because I won't, I'll check that's off my list then. Good. Yeah, last week checked. I know Cameron hadn't gotten paper results back and then obviously she's out today. And so I'm not sure how successful those have been but and then has anyone gotten any requests for language translation services? You put that out in the newsletter and other places as well and have not heard anything. So, okay. So the goal that we had set in collaboration with Creative Discourse was to get 300 survey responses by Friday. So by May, by April 30th, right? We've gotten a huge spike this past week. We're now about 225 and we wanted to get 10% from BIPOC residents and we're currently at 9%. So pretty close, but this is 75 new responses by Friday. How do people feel about that? Can we get it? We need a plan to do that and not just let chance. Cross our fingers. Yeah. It's a wish to live. I mean, it feels like we could be posting daily again and in Promcourt forum. And I don't know if there's any other groups we can circle back with from our kind of stakeholder list. I have an email. I thought the parents was such a good idea like the parent committee. And I have not heard from the Union Elementary School and I haven't heard back from anyone that I've emailed and I've bumped several times. And so I don't know if other people have relationships or if I should just give them a call or just be a little bit more assertive than sending emails. I can. Do you have maybe forward me what you sent Shayna and I can try just emailing same people if they're hearing from more than one, maybe I'll shake it loose or maybe I knew some other people if I see who you had sent it to you. If you're going to send it to Lauren, just if you'd circulate it, I guess to all of us and then we can do what we're gonna do again. It's in my email inbox somewhere but I don't know where anymore. Great. Thank you. Jeremy, were there other lists that you were thinking of or should I pull up the list of where we were gonna send? Well, I don't know if it ever got sent through Surge. That's the one. And I can see if they'll send it, email somebody there today. An action action, I thought that just occurred to me is we're asking everybody, right? So students can also be filling out the survey. Is that correct? I think we did have a good number of students fill it out. Pelin, did you send it to the high school group or not, I mean a good number. I remember early on when we looked at it with Gation so there was like a slice of, I mean it looked like there was a bunch of high schoolers who took it, I'm not sure. Pelin, could you forward to the high school group again? Is that? Yeah, I can ask my daughter again. And when you were talking about parents, I remembered that there's a parent organization. I don't remember its name but I will check my inbox and send you. Maybe we can share with them. Maybe they will be more proactive than the schools because they are organizing so many things. It's like a volunteer parent group, does things about school and charity and everything. I think they are pretty active. So let me find their email address and share it with you today. Maybe we can send them, maybe they will be more interested doing something with us. I'm assuming, Shayna, you or others have got Facebook covered on this? You know, no, because the city was going to be posting on Facebook, on the city Facebook page. And if Cameron's out, I'll circle back with, who would the right person be? Justin? Well, Cameron's out. Michael, Lauren, she is now. Maybe Mary, Samantha. Yeah, she's the assistant to the manager. Okay, good call. How about Recreation Department? I think they might have good data base, right? Is there offering so many things to kids, parents, elderly? There's also a, well, it's monthly newsletter from the Senior Activity Center, but there's there are weekly one from Live. We could try them again. Great. Okay, I'm just circling all the way back up to Front Porch Forum, the first idea here. I hope, yeah, Pellan just posted yesterday. So if we want to post, you know, today, tomorrow and Friday, who can post on what days? I can post again today. And I'll just kind of put a deadline soon, kind of preamble. Yeah, I think that's, yeah, we're like, do Friday. You know, we want to hit our goal by Friday. Those things, like when I get those emails, like we have a fundraising deadline at midnight tonight, I'm like, oh no, okay, let me go now. So real. Thanks, Jerry. I can do it tomorrow. You want to do it? Really? Great. And I can do Friday. Done, boom. Go team. All right, so just to review this, we've got Front Porch Forum, Jeremy today, Lauren tomorrow, Pellan Friday. I'm going to send the student email stuff to Lauren. I'm going to recirculate it to this team. I also put down my neighborhood list, and then to circle back with Mary from Montpelier staff to post on the city Facebook, and I'll recirculate back with Montpelier Live. And we've got Pellan forwarding to the high school group and the parent organization at the high school. And then we've got, did we say, Jeremy posted to search. Did we ever ask like, I'm spacing on their name, the Sustainable Montpelier Coalition, like the community neighborhood groups? Like, do those leaders have it? Do they have email list they can send it out to? Did we do that? Yeah, Cameron was going to send to them. Okay. Yeah, thanks. And who would be the main, I wanted to bump them, you know, I don't, who would be the person to? I think you could ask like, Elizabeth, that came to present here. Great. What's the name of that group again? Sustainable Montpelier, I mean, CAN is the acronym for their program. What is CAN for though? Why can't I? Community Action Network or something, maybe. It's like capital area neighborhoods. Yeah, that's right. They're very stuck. I was like, I need to know what this is. I know, no, these are acronyms, like, yes. You just can, you got it. And so they're going to start processing these results in early May. I think our next meeting is on Monday to just look at the survey results and kind of see where people are landing with all of this. And then we, yeah, by over May, we'll be, they'll be writing the report as well. So, you know, hand in hand with this, please review committee timeline. Any other questions on the creative disperse work plan stuff or thoughts or reactions? When they're, when they've got the report completed, will they, will they be kind of joining one of our meetings to present it to us or how's that going to work? Yeah, they're going to be circulating it back to CJAC and to the focus group participants to get their feedback on it. They said it'll probably be a pretty tight deadline, to turn around. Actually, let me find my notes from this too. I'm sorry. Hold on a sec. Sorry, I didn't have this pulled up before. Well, and it's not where I thought it would be. Sorry, I don't want them to have it. But it would be a pretty tight turnaround. I think they said, you know, about three days. So that they'd be sending it out to focus groups and then I'm getting our feedback on it, but it did coincide with one of our meetings. So we could, you know, take a look at it in our meeting to be able to provide feedback right then and there. But so, and then would want to get all this feedback, incorporate all this feedback and then present it to city council as well. You know, or like more formally, once it's getting presented to city council, it's kind of like no longer a draft, but actually presented at the next meeting. Okay. Cool. Sorry, yeah, I don't think I have those. I don't think I have those. All right, committee share meeting? Should we talk about that? So the dates that Cameron sent out were a non-council Wednesday at 5.30. So that looks at, you know, if we want to do it in May, May 5th or May 19th. One of the other things that we talked about was a potentially offering different times. So like what we want to offer this, you know, first of all, let's like look at our calendars. Is May 5th and 19th at 5.30 work for folks? And, you know, if so, what, like is there a prep? Yeah, what do folks think of those dates? Well, I think May 5th is too soon to give warning and get people there. So I don't think it could be any time earlier than the 19th. 15th works for me. We get thumbs up for 19th, 5.30 to 7, say. Yay, look at this, 13. Okay, I've got it on my calendar and do that. So then for our agenda for that, as we had talked about last time, just to circle back. Again, I was, I had said I was going to write a more thorough script and I completely did not. But goals of informing other city committees of CJAC's goals, processes, work to date, share information and perspectives of ongoing equity issues from the city committees and then do some of that. You know, so then the agenda would be, you know, doing some introductions of us sharing information about CJAC and then going into breakout groups moderated by us about what is your community to do? Like how does your committee work? What's your process? How are you engaged with equity issues? How can you improve or expand access to your committee meetings and your work? And so I, like yeah, I don't know. Reflecting on that, how does that sound for folks? And then maybe we can think a little bit more about roles and the plan for that. I think that still feels right. It's fairly straightforward, not too complicated, not trying to pack too much in. One thought, I wonder if we could have folks RSVP just to get a good sense of the numbers before we head in to the meeting, which might help us with facilitation decisions. Yeah, and it's on the 19th, we all meet on the 12th. So maybe like that could be the deadline for RSVPs because we want people to show up but ask people to RSVP by the 12th. Yeah, and for the breakout rooms, the city can't do that, but I have a personal Zoom account and so I was gonna set that up and send that to the city to be appropriately warned and everything. Does everyone feel comfortable moderating a breakout group for this discussion? And like what would that entail? Would that be taking notes, facilitating, starting conversation? Yeah, I think we can, we'll know more as we kind of design what the session is, but it seems like a large part of it is keeping folks kind of on focus with the prompts that we're presenting, making sure everyone is getting a chance to contribute when no one's dominating. I mean, it could get more complicated. So a lot of the facilitation I do has a visual component, especially in the remote environment, just to help folks track and see what's happening in the conversation. That may be more than we wanna do because it can be a little bit complicated, but definitely like some kind of note-taking, I think just to track main points. And then we had talked about coming all back together and doing a brief shareout. So I think that's another moment to capture. Do the breakout rooms get recorded as well, Shayna? I think there's a way to do that. Yeah, where I make you all co-hosts, but I'll have to double check on that. That would be good, because it's hard to facilitate a conversation and keep the notes at the same time. Well, that's, yeah, or do we wanna like do it in pairs, you know, or something like that, but that could be challenging too. It's gonna be kind of a numbers game. You don't want such big groups that you can't really have conversation. So for notes, Jeremy, or for the visual component, I'm just thinking of the virtual whiteboard that you were using many months ago now. Is that what you were envisioning? That's one that I use because I'm really comfortable with it. In the past though, I've also just used Google Slides because you can kind of make digital stickies just in those slides that, or you can just use bullet points. I mean, it's a pretty low-fi solution that I think everybody can use pretty well. I appreciate it's a Google slide, so then each breakout group can get a slide or something like that. And right, and if we're coming in, asking, you know, having people know what the questions are too, like they could even come in like prepared with, I mean, that's over ambitious. I'm not gonna pretend that people are gonna come in with like prepared presentations about where they're at and what their questions are and what their needs are. So nevermind. Okay, so let's think more about that and we can flag that for when we actually have RSVPs and know what we're gonna be dealing with. For the large group of going over introductions, information about CJAQ, what are the key points that we wanna hit there? You know, we wanna inform other city committees of CJAQ's goals, processes and work to date. And again, sorry that this is where I thought I would have a draft, so yes. Would this just be more helpful if I just drafted this and we could work off of that next? I apologize, you guys. I think we can talk through it. I mean, it seems like there's a bit of a narrative there around why the committee was formed in the first place. I don't know that actually, I don't think. So what's the reason that this committee exists? And then, I mean, we have stuff about the charge that we could run through and what the committee was set up to do in theory. And then, of course, there's a few projects or initiatives that the committee has worked on that I think give a good example of what we're trying to do. And then share about the consulting, you know, when we're created discourse and stuff. Yeah. As far as I remember, we have like three or four categories in our strategic plan. Maybe we can share the headings. It will be a good summary, right? I don't remember very vividly now, but doing something with community, right? There are very, you know, direct aims of the committee, I think it will be good. Yep. I'm just, I'm thinking a little, I'm like wondering if we can get this invitation out before Friday with the survey in it too. So you can be like, see, this is our work. You should take the survey right now and send it out to your committee. Cool. All right. So yeah, so we need the invitation. We need the Zoom link. We've got the agenda. Anything else that we need to do to, you know, prepare now before you will say May 19th, what love for, you know, committee chair or if you can't make it a number of your committee to come. We can't offer really any, you know, no cookies because it'll be on Zoom, but if there's anything else. Your considerations that we would, we want to think about here too. I'm just wondering, like, so in how this is gonna be conveyed to people, like, is this something that, like we as the committee can invite them, like is the city gonna be like, we really want, you know, as many people, like it'd be great if it was coming from the city who has created these, like really encouraging people. And I think just like real clarity. And I think we have it. I'm just like, like, how are we conveying exactly what our goal of this, like, so people know what, why they're coming and what to expect to get out of it. Just like making sure in the invitation, that's really clear to people. Could we ask the mayor to write a letter, a note to each of the committee chairs and urging them to participate? Yeah, we can ask. We'll do that. Yeah, I think that's really great point, Lauren. I wonder if also, and maybe as a part of the ask, do you think you could reach out to Ann and just let her know that this is something we're trying to do and why we're trying to do it and maybe she'll have some thoughts about how to marshal. Yeah, yeah, I have to do it too. Yeah, anything else here, that was a really good point. All right, so I'm gonna be doing some tech stuff. Jeremy and all of us are gonna be thinking about the visuals for the facilitation. You're in drafting the... Just to ask if that'd be simple. I'm really a tech unsavvy. I'm still a pencil and paper guy. So if I'm gonna get distracted by having to deal with the technology, I won't be able to do all of that. I'm sorry to say that. No, and I don't think that's a problem. I think it can be a tool to use if you like, if you're facilitating one of these conversations. I don't think it's something that we should rely on because I agree simplicity is much better than the kind of, especially a digital facilitation realm. So don't worry about that, Michael. All right. Good. Jaina, would it be helpful if I spent some time to sketch out what this activity or conversation structure could look like? And then we can kind of get into some more of the details on the 12th. I think that would be awesome. I mean, that's, I was just thinking, I was trying to think through like, how can I be most helpful? Maybe Jeremy, like, maybe can we put our heads together? I just want to learn from you about your professional facility there about how, like, what you're thinking about or things like that. Yeah, we can chat maybe in like a week and just talk through some stuff. Cool, that'd be awesome. Like this time next week, could we just be done some work there? Let me, yeah, actually I think that would work pretty well. And I recognize this will make it like more complicated for you. Yeah, I would love to. I know, I don't trust myself to work alone. Oh. Yeah, how about a next Wednesday at nine? Sounds great. Cool. I was going to mention this later, but this may be important to say now, I will not be able to attend the May 12th meeting. I'm going to be in Arizona. Yay. And that means it's 6.30 in the morning when this meeting, and because I'm going to be staying in my son's house, I think that would be disturbing too. Even though they have an interest and a one and a half year old who, you know, unpredictable hours, but I just, I'll try to, I'm taking my computer, I'll try to come, but you can't depend on me being there. Now I think you need to take the time with your son. So fun. And my new granddaughter, I assume. The first traveling of the past while, I assume. Like good luck with all of that. That sounds so... Yeah. Well, you know, I've got my fingers crossed and a whole bunch of masks. So I'm sorry to miss the meeting because it's going to be important, but I just can't guarantee being there. Well, that totally makes sense. I'm glad you're able to go. And I'm glad we're going to be able to check in it one more time before the meeting on the 19th. Anything else? Any other business? So the check-in meeting is going to be next Monday. Jeremy and I are going to check in next Wednesday. All right. So there's nothing that all of us are involved in. And then I believe our meeting on the 12th is going to be pretty packed. We're going to be... I think we're going to be reviewing the draft, although we might not have it by then. It might be the 26th. Okay. Yeah. Of course, I don't have it on my computer anywhere that I can tell. So either the 12th or the 26th will have the draft from creative discourse to review. And then on the 12th will also be, really digging in on making the plan for the committee chair meeting. And if it's just that, it might end up being pretty quick and we'll just review it and do that recruitment and head out. And then if we have to do that and review the work plan, I think we'll still have time to do all of that. Anything else for Denda for the 12th? I don't think so. All righty. Well, thank you all. Thanks, everyone. Yeah. I'm going to have to use Zoomy things and send out the emails right now. See you later. See you later, Michael. Nice to see you all. Nice to see you all. Bye. Good luck with your travels, Michael. Thank you.