 Whoa We need to do something where whenever someone says echo the rest of us also say echo Oh, thank goodness. I thought you're gonna say to me that every time someone says echo I got a fucking edit in an echo. I mean, I mean, we can we can give it a try But I feel like it's gonna be really hard to maintain this echo Yeah, okay, so you see we're already struggling throughout I'm not it's easy Echo echo Yeah, but now what happens if I start being really echo unpredictable in terms of throwing my way. Yeah, see you're way too late Like an echo. I I you know what we can give it a try. I'm not optimistic. I believe in him Did you know that you can actually use I they talk about this a little bit in House of Leaves Oh, fuck this might be like really thematically on point So there's a segment in House of Leaves where someone starts to talk about how echoes technically show that You require a like a volume of space to have an echo sound travels bounces off of things and then you hear it again That's like the general concept of an echo and based off of the size of a room You're in there is an upper limit I think to how big a space can get before you you can't hear an echo anymore and How not like a lack of an echo or like like if you're inside and you you know scream out loud And you you don't hear that echo it could be like oh really big place So maybe calling it echo isn't just an element of her I guess she has like blind powers or something but echo sort of Points to some element of the emptiness of this show and the lack of confidence that Disney seems to have in it because this thing was Don't you think it's a sign of confidence that they released all the episodes in one day in january notoriously quiet month for for releases it is To make a whole that's got to be a terrible feeling To make a whole show then granted it's like five episodes sure not long But you went through the trouble of doing a whole show all the legal crap and all the logistics and the camera this and the cgi that and Getting actors taken care of insurance all the stuff that goes into making a show And they're and it just gets it just gets put out there in january as you said to just basically To know that this is the first and probably only time that they're gonna do this Unless it's some other subsequent show that they also clearly demonstrate a lack of faith and interest in Do you think uh, they when the actress was told about this that they were like, isn't it great? They're getting the show right out there so that people can see it all Well, and then the next question is why didn't they do that for all the other ones? They're like You know netflix does this with the vast majority of their stuff of releasing it all on one day But there's a difference when it's what you do basically all the time Compared to you never do it. You know, disney never does this They i'm pretty sure for basically all of their shows they release the episodes week by week It's some super interesting to think about so i've heard arguments about the uh, sort of dropping it all or Did it one by one? I am pretty much fully in the camp of doing it one by one There's there's barely any benefit at all to dropping it all at once other than like a Obviously the bingey type thing but like as someone who loves discussing media Any kind of show, you know, like house the dragon if like we could have all of season two at once I'd be like, I know it's tempting But at the same time I kind of like the whole one and then we talk about it Then we get hype for the next one and then one and so on um The nature of this thing dropping all at once feels much more like uh, you know a chore Because nobody wants to see it But the funny thing is I wonder if I would have watched it had it come out one by one instead of all at once The fact that it's all at once makes me feel like it's more of a movie I have to get rid of you know It doesn't call more attention to it to the majority of people But if you pay an attention to marvel stuff, it almost does call even more attention to it Like why are you trying to why are you trying to get this one out so quick? Instead of the conversation about this show lasting five weeks instead. It's gonna last maybe one um It's interesting, isn't it? I would I probably would have watched secret invasion if they dropped all out at once just because of the nick fury and Maria hell stuff That's a thing they never would have done it even for as bad as it was they didn't do it Um Which is like that's more of a meta argument. Well, I don't expect this is going to be worse than secret invasion No, I don't either. I don't know. Do I expect it to be as bad as logis season one or two? Or um, or even I wonder if it'll be on level with falcon with soldier. Maybe it'll be It could roll ash with that I feel like it'll be more like a bad woman I suppose uh, could be a real interesting thing This is more relating to my personal feelings about it is This show has got daredevil and kingpin and I got to tell you I'm really apathetic towards this show. I don't I don't care Well, daredevil was pretty uh, pretty great how he was handled in she hulk so Part of this adventure. Um, but I mean, I mean if we weren't if we weren't doing something in terms of like coverage I wouldn't be watching this I just I'm not I have no confidence at all um, that they would handle those characters well You know, but there was a time when I was really excited about the idea of daredevil being a part of you know, mainline mc stuff, but now it's Now it's nothing. Um, on that note should probably explain this is a hybrid format You you listening to this in the far flung future Uh, especially will be like wait. Well, what is what's going on here? There's like clips, but there's also Ifa episode format. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna watch it and then anything that's notable and highlightable You'll see our Our reaction to and then you'll see discussions of the episodes as we go through they dropped it all at once I didn't know how to handle this. I was like, you know, we can we can watch it as a movie. I suppose Uh, because we love movies here We love tv A long ish movie, you know five hour long episodes they're about since not short and I have a feeling It's going to be weighted in favor of the meta when discussing this rather than the episodes themselves But we'll see what we can do Well, because I suppose additional because we haven't seen hawkeye, which she was in I have heard there is a like half hour fucking recap for hawkeye. I don't know if this is true I've also heard is that um The netflix marvel shows are now canon in the mcu, which um, I There was a time when you could talk about like the integrity of of you know continuity, but at this point That's all gone. So you probably could just say yeah, they're canon. Well, yeah And for whatever problems that that presents, which it it does um It doesn't matter anymore because in the scope of all the problems that the mcu has by way of world building Anything that the network shows that in this You could make house of the dragon canon to the mcu and it wouldn't do any damage at them anymore No, not with all praise to multiverse and addigans and everything No, um, but I wonder what that means in terms of I don't really care Yeah, all the other netflix stuff I don't I don't care about as dead of all is the one where it matters in terms of How are you going to carry that through? You know, how are you going to explain where where matt's been for the last many years? Um of the mcu's high jinx I think it's kind of funny like if you ask him that question, they just be like What do you mean whatever? What do you mean? What do you mean account for it? What do you mean? He wasn't there now. Yes. There you go. How did king pin get out of up to season three? He was pretty soundly defeated. How is he now out and about again? What happened? Um, I guess I should you know what I don't know about that right things happened and there you go nailed it Mm-hmm. Yeah well Um, I I know a couple of funny things that uh, one of them is going to be happening pretty early on in episode one I think I look forward for us having a little discussion the hence hence. I was so vague rags I would never spoil that. I know that's why I just wanted to make sure just uh, you know Because I'm really excited. Oh, I know that you've been waiting for echo to be on the screen now since you're a little Little baby doggo. You this is your most excited hero So that's right. Yeah, so I'm excited for you I can't wait to say Let's just start let's just start. Let's click the button. Let's watch it Feel mature content That's what made it peak fire remember because this one's gonna be uh, ma So that's something I did see and I don't think there's a spoiler is that it feels like it's fake Um, fake edgy, you know fake mature and I was like, what a shock like Zach Snyder A new label for them as well, right? I feel exact at least that's not always actually edgy. It's just binge edgy. Yeah, this is um This is a spooky cave Underground is it a coconut? It looks like a coconut. It looks like it. That's coconut milk There's someone lady in the coconut milk. I don't know. Uh, what what's oh my goodness brings us a tunnels. What? I don't know. What was going on Oh my goodness. I don't know what this is. I don't I have no idea what I'm supposed to make of all this But this is the mystery. They're setting up the intrigue I didn't have any clue. We were dealing with whatever the hell this is I thought it was just some lady who was hired as a killer or whatever What is going on is no, that's galaxies. Don't drink the galaxies Makes him more powerful The hell all right the universe juice gave her magic powers Is this a whole new faction again? That would be my guess Oh, look a bird. Why is there a woodpecker here? Look at that bird. There's no trees. Do you feel like the MCU could just have anything happen now? And it's just whatever that's what's happening now. I have no idea this crazy room Yeah, get out of here bud. Run. Yeah, fly away from the MCU. Oh dear. Oh my goodness the structural integrity of the Water I'm trying to hold up the ceiling. You can't just you can't just oh no. It's going down. It got down so quick It came down so fast I need the people who made this to understand that I have more loss than I've ever been in the MCU And that's incredibly meaningful. Yeah, but that's only the beginning be patient. This will all make sense It had a woodpecker in it. I hope he's okay I'm sure he is. Oh, there he is. Hi. Hello. There he is. Hello. Why can't I get a real woodpecker? Why are they gonna make him cg? What is going on? Oh, no, we're turning mortal. Our our chocolate is coming off. Oh, no, you're gonna be naked I feel like I feel like you could do this practically. Oh, no, where'd your clothes you fuckers? Okay, the first what was chaffa? The there they they came from space and they're safe now How come the strong men didn't have clothing and they're up above the pots, but the women did, huh? Oh, so it's like this is the mythology of the Choctaw people Okay, it didn't actually happen, right? You're not allowed to say. Well, then again the MCU it might actually have happened Oh, that's true. Remember all religions are true in the MCU. No, no, no My mother or father's brother or sister had you we are cousins if all religions are true Jesus should be in the Avengers. It'd be cool. He should be. Yeah, you would be able to pick up cap shield By the way, uh, sorry caps. Fuck those haven't You would also have the shield though. He would he would be able to pick up cap shield Yeah, he would he's worthy of the shield too. Maybe make a little wooden one for himself Oh my god, there are wolves in there attacking the children. Oh, oh wait. Oh, it's it was a they got you. Sorry Wow, they they were really good. They were really good I was gonna say I recognize the act of furthest left in this little meeting that guy. He was in Fargo season two I recommend season two. I think there's enough good stuff in there The skits will be sad. He didn't get to camp with the girls names their kid. Oh, that's good. Oh, look, there he is There's the fake. Is he is he like a bad omen now because it's no. He's a good omen because he's a Yeah, you know what they say woodpeckers at night Uh, indians delight. That's what they say. Yep. That's an old native indigenous American saying that they say Well, hey, this is perfect for a copyright There's no water. Yeah, there we go until disney copyright silence. They've probably got that sorted out soon What uh, what bad things about to happen? So i'm thinking Godzilla. Why do you drive the white man's iron chariot? Because it's fucking awesome Yeah, hell, yeah Oh, no the brakes fluid steer out of the way you emergency brake emergency brake. Yeah, there's a lot of oh So that felt like it was gonna happen whether or not she like she sort of did There wasn't much effort to prevent the accident beyond the fact that the brake was just not working It's literally happened to me before in an old car of mine Uh, where the brakes just didn't work for whatever reason and so you used uh, you used the e brake You'd move your car side to side kind of swerve to slow it down and then you you'd lightly pull on the emergency brake This is important by the way that shard you see in it Before we get to the consequences of that shard I would say that a car crash in the way that we saw it looked like a t-bone Um glass doesn't typically work that way at all. So it looks really weird. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's designed to like shatter Yeah, it'll a little crunch within it like it'll it's all very it's difficult to just disconnect pieces of it Unless you have some immense pressure. Yeah, it doesn't come off in big shards And it looked like in the shot that it hadn't too But the the shard we saw in her leg just it's and there you go it cost her a leg which I found out who cut the brakes They're taking care of Oh, who you think that makes me feel better. It's a big part of like I guess Who's set up in terms of what she has to deal with and I just think that that That was stupid as fuck. She kept the knee though. So that's the important bit If only her mother knew how to drive a car Not to marry him I told her those low-pass boys are no good Hmm and the people of Austin I feel the same way. Why didn't they make it so that she was uh, her leg was crushed That's that's the way you do that. Yeah, you could have anything could happen It could be a fence post it could be a part of the other car a piece of metal scrunched it the something Well, so he he is he's found out who fucked the brakes up And killed them Because apparently they tried to they were trying to kill him. I think he's connected Somewhat in in a that's a really bad way to try and kill someone Because if you fuck the brakes up to fail then the first time like you yes, you're pulling out of the driveway or whatever Like in the tap of brakes. It's not like the first time you use brakes Yeah, yeah the first time you use brakes in a car trip isn't sailing down the highway That's a good point Like uh, the a lot has to be coincidental for it to be perfect to light up like that And this is like probably the most important thing that's have happened in this character's life Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying is that uh, it's not impressive already Like the the way this is all gone down is very and it's just amateur like there are already way better ways to make this happen All right, then yellow carville New yoke. I have more cars than just yellow cars. Some of them are white I'm blue. It's about it though yellow white and blue I Got zilla and rodan nice better than king of the monsters Well dragons are real in the marvel world because if iron fist is now uh canon then dragons are real Well, we've also got the shanshi one right? What about the crazy re serpents that came out of the portal? What about those? Those are real It was funny in luke cage. He expressed like he was he was like, oh, it's crazy You didn't fight a dragon. It's like dude, you live in the marvel world. How could you possibly say that? As much as I understand like I don't believe time travels possible only like seeing aliens doesn't make me do that And it's like, yeah, that that kind of makes sense but seeing aliens and then being like well dragons can't be real I was like, I mean what about alien dragons though In this universe, you never know when the thing will just come out of the Multiversal portal and consume you exactly at this point in the mcu after everything that's happened I'd be like we live in a clown world that is unstoppable Literally tomorrow we could all be paced incredibly unpredictable And chaotic or a deeply discomforting you have to just pretend like none of it's happened or that you won't acknowledge any of it Oh, look at that. He's doing evil. It's gonna get here into the world of crime Maya Oh Already. Oh this kingpin already. Why are they doing the stupid thing of like we don't want to reveal him hiding him Didn't they do that already in okay? That's right. He was yeah, and then didn't he get shot in the head I remember the meme of being like they only showed his his voice then his back Then it's like I don't know half his face and his full face and so uh, I'd say that Because the fact that data was going to be in this show It means that it will be compared to data in terms of the action choreography and like cinematography Of course and daredevil had fewer resources as well. Um, they were shooting an episode every like 15 days. I want to say Um, I think they only had two days of prep for the uh for the the first hallway fight scene This is gonna say to be somewhat fair. I actually, um, I know very little about this character But both the comic and what this adaptation is gonna have and so what I would say is have we been shown? Powers, I don't know She fights right or does she have like my question is like have we seen what has provided her her power or are we yet to see it? I don't know. I I have no idea. Okay. Also. I guess oh did you kick that? Oh that wow That was quite the cut and they had the cut And now it's open and she's in and yeah, you're right. It does look like rodent, right? The person is doing this and wearing his uh big old hood and with his big old sword that guy who tried to attack him with a crowbar Didn't do a good job Is this set during the snap then no clue it must be this guy's gonna die What this guy that we just met very sad. Yeah, it's a shame that he died Uh, look, they try to come we're at about him, I guess we're 15 minutes in they try to compete with up. Okay What they're like up is the model We're gonna start Every time they come and sit they've got the pitch is what I I'm sorry I actually think it was really funny that if that was rodent We're it didn't even seem connected to her presence that he just fucking head first jumped through a window. He was just like Off I go. Oh, so this is gonna set through like let's reunite with bonnie like a revenge quest against uh against Uh, Hawkeye. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. She could yeah because she turned up in Oh, this is what people meant about the recap. Oh, is this like we're getting Yeah, we're getting her pov on so maybe in hawkeye. Does he kill that guy and it's not as important in that show Because it's just a guy or something. Well, I only watched the first episode and I remember that there was illusions to That his ronin stuff was going to be relevant To the plot, which I mean, yeah, they needed to do something. It's just that I barely did anything with it in the end game It's not a shot because the mc was in such shambles, right? But like I'm kind of of the position right now I've never been in the mc where I'm like, we should we be following this lady this this she's got no powers Which is it, you know, I'm not gonna say you know, they're they're gonna fill you with bullets No, it was an accident. It's fine. All of the other guys have all these guys have shot you There's ones right to your left. I don't even know why she did that. What was the point? She's really bad ass But there's so many of them. How is she gonna deal with this? Oh, it's kingpin here. Yeah, that's kingpin Kingpin's gonna bail her out, right? Because he can do that. That's the nature of his position right now. Matt allowed him to reacquire Wait, but this this will be this will be Matt has allowed him to yeah, because this if this is post Uh end game or infinity war during that that gap even then it's there's always I guess now We're just showing him that it will got snapped. I why did they bother? Yeah, what was the point of You think they do a reveal, but there is okay. This is a bit this is a bit clunk because like now We're just like, you know, you've been working for me for x-men and it's like well Why didn't we see the the meeting of them? Wait, but how how can how can the netflix shows be canon? This this was not in them this dynamic Was not a part of it or is it meant to be like? Oh, well, it was off-screen. So it was all off-screen and not mentioned Okay, um, but My father was killed also no no my father was killed Yeah, you did it Yeah, but that's that's the thing that connects them. They don't realize the details are of you know He's like mine was killed horribly unfairly and yours was killed by you So she's really upset her dad got killed by a sword man When he was doing the criminal stuff I guess she's gone. I don't know if they've given us as much context as she has which is zero for why I know this is happening It's not necessarily an issue like to follow just humans in in the mcu, but it is it is a bit wacky It's unusual because uh He seems to just not have any powers But but here's the thing by the end of the season it might all go like insane It might get really crazy by the end like it typically does I The thing is I just um with my limited knowledge, of course, I don't remember is she gonna fall into a vat of Something I yeah, I don't know we're here for the meeting. So late for that You bring the doughnuts. It still feels very put up. I'm just waiting for whatever the payoff is supposed to be Oh, he's not gonna pat her down. She's not gonna be like, you know, you're not patting me down Or is he gonna grope her boob and she's gonna beat him up Oh, we're close to it. Just being normal. Don't grab her ass. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it He did it He did it. Wow, this show is so wild and unpredictable and it's rated mature for our audiences That was mature that he did a little last grab. You don't get that in the mcu She's so much stronger and bigger and better than he is and she's she's been trained by the art of training They're trying to move in on fists territories We're gonna take them out. You can't understand you Because she read lips. Do they rely on write it down on paper? No, write it down. Use your phone and your notes. Did he seriously we go in there Shoot people are we relying on her recognizing the symbols with his hand or or she actually able to read lips? I assume she can read lips. No, I mean it seemed And you just ask you would just say can you read lips and if she says yes Well, because I was gonna say that wasn't that should be more specific. It wasn't sign language yet That that's the thing in the trailer Yeah, and that blood's obviously not wait. Did it was his gun CGI when he spun it around I think they CGI'd the gun in his hand in sundry play Blood made tg'd in that's the thing to make to just play like I see look at how mature it is, you know For a second there that she was wait a minute. Is this the dead elecine? What the fuck is this guy job wick? What is going on Right into a room with guys with guns. Yeah, this is the this is the dead elecine because I recognize the place All right. Well, they're doing look they're doing a wanna look at that. Yeah. Wow even though the choreography is not Why is she not doing anything? Hello I mean Yeah, I mean they just do it. Yeah, we're just why make it muffled if she's deaf Have it actually be holy fuck man like Wait, where did that guy come from? Oh, he was over in the court. Uh, yeah good good transition there Why are you trying to strangle this woman instead of running away from the man who was just standing there not doing anything Yeah, and you're fighting her when you need to be running away from the men with guns Or playing out your own or very much wacky right now. I don't understand. What's going on? What is happening? How is he is he losing? Is he he's just lost Wait, is she choking him? Yeah Spine shatters. She just shattered his spine Okay, okay, then is the fight over what's going on in the other room? Movie was happening with super strength. I don't think so. I don't think I think she's just meant to be like the normal person Oh, come on Why where are their guns? They're security. They're they have security written on It's they're literally labeled as security. Where are the other guys with their guns? I gotta say that. Yeah, I mean they're pretty obvious. Um Uh, huh Oh, wow. I don't know transition there. Yeah There he is Oh, hey All right Okay, this is so fucking random. It's not special at all What was that physics, uh, she was clearly dragged across the floor there. Yeah, I've been watching them all night, then you guys show up Oh Yeah, I know I just Okay Hey Why why is she so fucking good? I don't get why she should have a chance especially if this is netflix dare devil powers No, no way. You should be dominating. Why is he trying? Wow, she's like getting in hits and everything that looks odd Not with that timing. That was really weird. Man. I just like wow, that sucks. I I Uh, what? Everything The way he just like falls onto the the shelf there for no reason like god, how much damage can she take? That's a way too high. It's just really off That was oh That looked so weird. Oh, that looked very weird. Are you serious? They put Really, oh, and that's the one take done that why did they devil not finish her off with the hell? He had like the upper hand there. Did he wait? He actually is he run off or is he doing some stealth here? I'm assuming that's it. None of my men have ever held their own with him like that We did better than even I expected. Oh, you're the only one who could ever hide and survive against that level That's it. It's done He didn't leave. No, he didn't he wouldn't know he didn't and he wouldn't what the fuck Like I said, why would he leave fighter? He had the most advantage on in that moment and he left He ran away like a little well Yeah, he had to get away from echo because she's just so incredibly powerful and strong and she's the best fighter Kingpin just said you you managed to deal with him better than any other person in his whole arsenal, which I don't even know what the timeline is even Would this be before after bullseye because bullseye did way better against it. I would hear I think this this would be off to bullseye, right and bullseye was fucking crazy Oh, is this of these clips from okay? Yeah, okay. Yeah, oh boy. Oh, don't show it. Don't show it Don't show we're killing a guy I don't understand like I feel like we've missed out on all the normal formula formula things of like why why would I buy that? She's any good. I just don't get it. No, why waste time. Isn't this amazing? Oh, this is from okay again, I guess Yeah, fuck her up, please What's gonna happen? I mean she I mean she beat daredevil He had to run away. How does she not die if he has a sword when you're filled with rage makes you blind It could be used I hope I have they they've never done this before right of just like massive like Minutes worth of stuff from other shows just being part of it. No. Yeah, like I said, I didn't oh, isn't that staying done I didn't quite believe it, but apparently yeah, we're getting an actual half hour recap Man, I guess I guess you know in a fucking five five episodes season. We're getting an episode that's almost all recap Oh, this is the same where she shoots kingpin in the fucking head, right? Yeah, but apparently doesn't die from this. I remember being told about this. That's just like whatever But now it's an important plot point for us going forward Well, and now when I watch daredevil the netflix show I have to believe that it eventually leads to this Sorry, that looked like shit Oh, okay I remember the conversation about it was like so who did she kill was like was it kingpin or was it alternate universe kingpin? Was a kingpin like what's happening? And it's like well, they had to shoot him in the fucking head And it's not going to kill him Was that cgi pants might have been Oh my god You they couldn't just have pants wait. Did those exist in real life pants? Nope, you know that we've got all that we can enjoy the story Okay, so this is now the story Well, we didn't watch whole guys So I guess she got shot or stabbed or something and that's the thing, right? Cut away from almost everything if if we were just watching the show out of the blue I would kind of be like why why this character and it's like well, I guess Big things are gonna be happen to her I had really good ideas for a story that I wanted to tell I guess absolutely I'm really glad that we got that scene. That was really good Well, we got another what Wait, so I'm trying to figure out here like is episode one then episode one and two is that what they've done Because six episodes right like it's weird that it's five Yeah And it's weird that one of them is fucking catch up half of like there's such a what have they done TV shows used to be a thing man Whoa, wait, how she didn't hit she can't hear wait, why did they have that sound? Why did they have that sound? That's actually a good point. Yeah, she because that's strange Why would it exist in universe? What was what was beeping? Well, what would have worked her up? Did she get she couldn't have been working up by that, right? What they should have done was edit it so that she's like Thinking about something and then a bright light appears right because she's getting close to the lights of the cars That she drips through the middle of the light. Yeah the middle not like the sound the sound that's actually like Tells us I don't even know why the I don't even know why there was a sound in universe. What was the sound? It was just a random noise. Yeah, but like why would the truck truck be honking like the truck driver problem can't see her Right, she wasn't even even if he did recognize that she was right next to the back of his truck Which I doubt it, but like he wouldn't have been honking that early. So really that was all just bizarre Yeah, that was really weird Like is that the word I think for now is amateur like a lot of this is just not thought out It's not like it's not as completely insane as like a low key, which is what we expected I mean, we're 31 minutes. How could it be? How could it be? Is there like 30 minutes in did I think that any of this Would be interesting to anybody really? Well, I feel like we still haven't gotten our um our hook yet That's I guess that's what i'm getting at is like in this 30 minutes I feel like I've been presented with a lot of information without context or in fact I would argue that uh again in the category of amateur I think that the person who made this would be like, what do you mean? I've got your hook Daredevil like what about him? Yeah, but now I've got to be left to believe that that's irrelevant because that wound That's insane. Look at it. There would have been so much blood coming. Yeah, right? Like the whole I can't you go to a doctor You've got money from all your days Well, I guess because king pins out of the picture, right? She single-handedly you can go to an emergency room, right? And be like, yeah, I cut myself and come up with any excuse, but Even that photo looks bullshit. I was about to say it looked fake. Yeah Which I don't know why I would because I thought they had all the actors Maybe by the time we hit the credits, we'll have a hook. Why don't you hide and wait? Oh, but why'd you do that? Why'd you do it like that? Oh that hit him? Wait, what? How did he she pushed it back and it hit him in the face and that's why he's on the floor Oh, and he fell back 20 feet. What biscuits you recognize her after all this time interesting 20 years she looks the same rex after 20 years. Oh, no, no, that's not how vision works That's hey dog. Hey dog. He's not even cg. That's nice Billy jack. Oh, it's an actual dog. You're right They disney sprung for a dog. Did they finally realize that there was a real vision of the thing they were gonna cg Wait is the dog deaf Get to go back to the dog This is like the other kind of anything can happen where just some guy could like ask you like I need help finding my duck And then that would that would be what happens. Yeah, we're gonna have a reason for the plot to begin that is Meaningful or just like out of nowhere. Just oh, here we go. There's a thing to thrust you Forward onto your adventure. I don't know. I feel like they've got to put their best foot forward You know because like really fringy. Really? You know what I mean? Best foot forward what what wow I was waiting for rags to be Our prosthetic leg. Oh, I was I was saying, you know That they still you know what I mean? Like you got a because I feel like especially if it's a character that people don't really know much about You just made a left turn on to a prevailing road and did not check She could have gotten absolutely if there was a car coming down the road She would have been killed when it struck her. No, she just would have lost the other leg Oh, okay, fair enough. And then we're giving it double powers. Oh, is that Bonnie? Wow, I guess so wow I'm very excited for it to reconnect with Bonnie That's in that we saw just a little bit like she's five minutes at the beginning She's got a life of hero stuff and then and then she's got a life of crime and they're gonna you know, I know Yeah, I guess we're gonna have to keep talking over this music because there's no oh, don't worry. We're gonna be allowed to Oh, okay. It's mute. It's muted on my end. We are no problem there. By the way, I'm I'm I'm like 60% sure there's no more daredevil in this whole show. Oh, I'm yeah I would be shocked if I saw him again because I've seen nothing other than what we saw already Ryan, you figure that that would have been getting around you think especially if it were more, you know, like Significantly, I mean, I just find that particularly funny that they would put him right at the beginning to try and hook you in Yeah, it's it's blatantly with the belief that it'd show up again But he won't I wonder if we're ever gonna see bullseye again because like at the end of season three I know it's this is totally unrelated to this show They set up that he was going to be in season three in season four and season three was like What in the timeline here 2016 2017 so if he shows up again, it'll be like, oh I guess you just disappeared for nearly a decade. You know, I was about to say like Oh, maybe they made episode one two episodes like they sometimes do when they realize it's really boring But like even two episodes nothing is fucking happening Well, I mean, you know, it's like with the she-hawk right where they put what was clearly like episode seven or eight Yeah at the very beginning. I haven't been to a skating rink in many many years Yeah, no, I haven't ice skating more than I've been roller skating. They popped up in stranger things season four Yeah, that's right. And then uh, what's the name hit that girl with uh Thing right? Yeah, I might have information on the cane killer. Oh, so Kingpin's not dead though He's in hospital or something right? Also, what a coincidence. Also, that's not how texts really are Why not? This probably is still in keeping with the marvel formula of two action scenes per uh per episode So we got our dad ever one, which means we'll probably get one more Maybe they got the bad one out of the way That guy not only happens to be a bad guy who is looking for bounties and stuff that are related to crime But also happens to know enough to know that she could be the one that killed kingpin Yeah, like that seems very unlikely. Um, so that's really bad luck. It's amazing that Why not? I yeah, I don't know why you don't just go to a doctor doctor and just be like, yeah How did this take so long? It wasn't considered urgent at all apparently that's a really Weird sort of if you want it fixed or gone Yeah, I feel like you could phrase that if you want a body To disappear or I don't know yet, so That looks like it might be infected which to be honest with you would be no surprise at all Man, it's just one banger scene after the next Yeah, I mean wow I gotta make a top 10 list of favorite scenes from this uh this episode The biggest shock to me is the fact that we're uh more than a fifth through What what do you mean? Show basically. Yeah, I mean episodes nearly done and the episodes are gonna get shorter from a different time They would have actually just climbed up a little water tower But that is some really really good composite in there. Yeah You can't tell you really can't tell it's just um, it's so traceable You can make a documentary on the the death of the tv show or at least not not fully but at least a comparison That could be made remember the you know rewind what 10 years and we were in almost the golden age of tv Uh, I felt like it. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's kind of funny right with dead Evel if it was kind of appropriate because that was coming out in that era When it was really exciting. I just remember when walking dead without its height to this with highest with Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad like him mad mad men all that kind of yeah, but I don't know if it was like streaming kind of Well, this is this has gotten to genuinely absurd levels like disney you do not know how to make a tv show You don't know how to make a story. I don't understand like you just money for random people No, it would be better if it was random. Yeah, you give money to the worst people somehow Oh, so he's got stuff in this town man. I guess so Really it felt like his stuff was very localized in new york Um, could you imagine how much of fucking red flag he would have been to tony and uh, Dr. Strange well, it's kind of the thing right dead. Evel season one Is like pretty chill in terms of not drawing much attention But when the hand was getting up to all that crazy shit like that probably should have brought the attention to be avengers All right, the discussion is done that makes sense. He doesn't want to get involved It's time for a queen King queen Wait, that's not gonna convince him, right? I just we'd pay time for queen Is she gonna convince him by saying it's time for a queen? Is that literally what convinces him? What a terrible fucking line to I am queen pin I just They've undone all they've done they've undone all of matt's work in in his entire story. He didn't do shit Yeah, but we've got a better story to tell But he did it for the queen fringy. He did it for the queen So that's the hook is that she wants to take over queen pin. That's the hook Took us 40 minutes to get that really. Yeah, and this is gonna be the kingpins to alive. I guess Yeah, did he survive when she shot him in the head like yes, unironically. Yes, that's gonna be it So that's no crazy. That's insanely lucky then. There's no way Yep. Yeah, that's not true Oh I am not a fan of people getting shot in the eye that that you know, it doesn't stop at the eye show The bullet keeps People have survived that but is I really hate it when we rely on don't worry one person in a million survives this Yeah, but now it's going on This is the Oh That looks great. It reminds me of tyla destiny I think we need to rewatch the beginning of the last crusade to wash that out Oh my god, what's going on. Oh, oh, they will show the origin. Okay, nothing fucking happened. The fuck is No, things did happen. They're all bad. This is all gonna happen. We have rags. This is why they're showing us this They're like, don't worry things will happen. I swear. It does have that energy. Yeah And also it's just a girl. Just kill her. Just shoot her the guy to be done with it Do you think someone at disney was like, can we pack the first three episodes of the first one, please? And they're like, it's not actually even possible. Yeah, like legally we can't actually do that Was that that was written by five so that was five people Yeah, that was definitely two episodes blended into one which by the way, I'm not even against in concept necessarily But uh, wow, you have nothing you got nothing going on I don't give a shit what happens Not as a surgeon you should be making well after you've shot everything and there was presumably a plan For your whole season. I'm just annoyed by the fact that they just decided yeah for the sake of our story We're gonna just have it be that all of data was work was undone and he didn't fix it He just didn't he couldn't do it after two two times bringing him down It's like, well, hey, look all right kingpin got all of his shit sorted again Well, apparently well, she couldn't kill him either because Apparently once you shot him point blank in the eyeball with that handgun. I guess it just didn't do the job Guns just guns don't get the god job done anymore ranks. That's just how it works. It's it's Is he writing really easy? You can just say that he lived you can just write that he lived and boom It's taken care of don't worry about it. Oh, that's so chal That's a graphic got third billing and he's not in any of the rest of the season. Really? Wow like I said, I don't know but um It's impression. I'm getting from the discussions. I've seen so far What a nothing like episode of television. Yeah, and there was two episodes of television. I Man, all right That was uh, really bad. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's just like in keeping. Isn't it really? Um, they just can't do it They can't make television shows I don't know. They can't do it. I mean, we could talk about formatting problems as well as that That was essentially what they were providing is that big book and they thought that was good enough There's like a A reason to want to see what happens next And I guess they really were expecting that people hadn't seen a hawk eye or that they had forgotten everything that happened And which that's not a great sign that there's a lack of belief that anybody would rewatch any of their shows or feel compelled to rewatch any of the shows Ahead of anything new that's coming out and just uh, the sheer level of previously on we just got I don't think I've seen that before. Yeah, I've never seen. Yeah, that's been a that's a first for me That was nuts. That really was like, please keep watching things will happen. You're right. It really did have that vibe I mean think about think about the connective tissue there like if we wanted to actually run through it So she's Getting into trouble in new york because she's upset that um like that family member died And so on her first day getting brought into kingpin's um shenanigans on the first day Uh, she encounters dead evil and fights him and he runs off instead Getting her when she was in down under a bunch of uh Under under like the whole thing had fallen down on her all of the shows and the racks and all of the stuff that was on it And then ran off and then kingpin was like, ah, wow, you're the only person who beat him Now you're part of my team That's how she gets all of the stuff that happens in hawk eye and whatever happens from there all because one day The first day that she showed up on the job. She fought Dead evil and he ran off For no reason and that's like how everything here that happens. That's crap Well, yeah, the fight was like awkward as hell and totally it felt like the um, the the actual fights from the netflix shows Little brother who watches him and it's like I can do it too. You're like, no you can't um Well, it's the same problem that she hawk had of everybody understands that the fight scenes in dead evil are very well regarded Um for good reason. I mean that fight scene in season one is incredibly impressive That's a one take and that they didn't do any cuts to make it happen That was all in one take really well framed That's I think I feel like that's the thing that they didn't realize there Is that the framing of that fight was a huge part of what made it so cool It was a very steady camera Moving through the hallway panning around showing us things but also hiding things to let out sort of minds Fill in the blanks as well really cool lighting Obviously just awesome choreography and the fact that they got really tired is cool It's cool to see people get tired in a fight and then launch back into it and that it's it's not effortless It's not it's not like it's easy to deal with this whereas that one felt way more like How you know marvel studios would imagine that you meant to do it Yeah, it's one take and they're fighting and they're doing the fisty cuffs and that's we we did it We we did what they did but they didn't do what they did because it was worst choreography Was that actually cg when they did that actually totally he totally went. Yeah, he it was I It looks really really really weird It's becoming very very distracting all of the green screens all of the bizarre cgi decisions like um What you probably cut to it in the edit But when they first go into the room and the guy at the door shoots the other dude in the head And he flips the gun around. I think that was cg. I think that was a fake gun Instead of them just using a prop that he handed to the guy, you know, I was mean a bit But I was kind of true like the dog. I was I was half expecting maybe like a 65 expectation that it was going to be a cg dog I was just like why wouldn't it be? That uh, that dead evil part was absolutely cg the animation the shadow looks really weird the whole That is that is so embarrassing Really? That is Is it a shock getting on his feet and blocking a punch because like I just That's the thing. How does that decision get made? Just be like, I'll just cgi. I am doing the thing Like I have choreographers just cg. I don't get it. I don't understand It's I just don't understand they I'm confident that it was that they had one and a half days To choreograph the hallway find season one and then one day to do it because they were making those episodes Real quick and that wasn't the only fight scene that they had to do for that show They had a lot of really cool and impressive fights scenes throughout that season. It's just crazy how With much fewer resources and without getting to be part of the mcu and kind of having to be its own thing That they managed to do a much much better job. I mean it's because it's not even just that It's like what's even the context with this fight happening? It's like we said that oh well first down in the job But then them just running into this room and then just getting into these fights with these guys who some of them Have guns some of them don't some of them feel like shooting them some of them don't It's so clunky You know, I was gonna say um, it's I've made this comparison before but it's like biting into a this episode or these two episodes Biting into a bread sandwich like the the middle layer is bread But it's it's it's that but then you you look at down on what you bit and even the sandwich doesn't have a bite in it It's like I didn't even like I thought I did but yeah, you bite into the bread and it's like Oh, it's a nothing sandwich. There's nothing in the sandwich. It's just a piece of bread It's remarkable because uh, I'm just wish sandwich, you know not to say that you guys wouldn't be you are as well But I'm just so familiar with tv that like watching them waste So much time on not characterizing it instead showing things that I know so much of it was just You know her driving to a place her walking into a room Yeah Looking around it's it's now now i'm starting to think of it is just a matter of the thinking absolutely is with most tv shows Particularly, but they're not part of some established brand is you got to make sure that that premiere is interesting You've got to make it interesting because that's the hook That's the one that you got to get people in with so that they will actually stick with you through the course of the season It used to be Yeah, exactly. Um, whereas almost seems like here. Well, we're marvel Um, so we don't have to do that. We don't have to present a really people will watch it, you know It feels like the ultimate success is taken for granted Kind of thing ever like we don't have to put any effort into the fights Any effort into whatever and if something isn't quite we'll just cgi whatever bits that it doesn't matter Whatever it just doesn't matter just just put it out there And we got we got edible and we got kingpin you like that that show that was made by other people years ago Um, that means something for our show like made Much much later. It feels so weird for them to be like look kingpin. It's like you already did this It's done. You already did you brought him in and you killed him Yeah, dead evil in uh in shihok. You've already cashed those Like you've already it's done. You've already you've already gotten to do that now. They have to actually And that's it's just people are gonna compare it naturally. They're gonna compare it to what came before And then like just the goofiness of her um her origin too like it all seems so um The for it's not even particularly good previously on it's very like clunky and strange and A lot of people are talking about the um the fact that she lost her leg that way. It doesn't make any sense It's like, yeah, why did they make it so odd when they Don't show it a massive chunk of glass You're right if they hadn't shown the glass It would have made complete sense because we just been like oh well Who would have looked at the car wreck and cut away don't even show like the the the mother's face and don't even show the thing You could do that. Yeah, just Cut to black when the car hits and then she wakes up in the hospital There's a reason why that's like an easy go-to thing to do and it would have been better Cut content and it would be better That whole sequence really was bizarre when you take it together this big 30 minute long prologue that includes mixing together scenes from another tv show It's so strange. What a strange show Parable decisions all the way through awful combat a protagonist. I could not give two fucks. I don't I don't I don't know anything I don't have any impression of her based on this episode. No, it all felt more plotty than than any character Yeah, like I I don't know what she wants. I guess she wants to run a criminal empire Like I I could I guess I the only reason I know she wants that is because she said that's what I want But I don't know anything about her. I don't know anything. She's just uh, yeah, there's no Old and un-unemotional And I think the thing that I would be Compatible as well is that if in this show the creators felt that it was essential to show us scenes from Hawkeye Because they had the feeling that we wouldn't watch it Then uh, I don't think we need to watch it to be able to understand it. Surely right I mean No way The you need a 30 fucking minute previously on that involves so much from Hawkeye as opposed to that's way more that There are five minute short story videos that'll tell you a hell of a lot more about a person than this entire double episode did Yeah, it is absurd the notion that you would need to watch a whole other television show And then you would have this whole premiere and that still wouldn't be sufficient To uh to explain why you should care at all or even who she is Let alone who any other character on the show Look, you have to watch the Hobbit trilogy if you want to be invested in the lord of the rings You can't just start a story off and endear us to this list of characters and you know Get this world building taken care of in a fun and efficient way And you know have us learned about the world and become interested in you can't just do that That's not a thing you could do Watch our other products in order to find out what you need to care about Now we kick on wood with the next one Yeah, let's do it episode two is yes There's obviously an exciting adventure still yet to come a whole or episodes of which Okay, we don't need to previously on for episode that was mostly previously This is getting insane. They should have shot a blank. There was nobody in the uh, yeah You don't need to be there out of frame So just have it be a blank that shoots out you could have a casing and everything You know, what's funny is I feel like I would have gained the same amount of context if I just watched this Previously instead of the previously previously. Did somebody make this because they had to the why why are we getting all the like I feel is that way it really does feel like This show was just an obligation It got green lit in a time when they thought that they could make anything and it would be a success And now they're in a point where not even if he was shot in the eye Wait, why did I just ask that question? Never mind because rags the brain was affected Uh, sure things are a success at this point. What's marvel spot? They had it it's it's like a different label for uh, this show Okay Marvel stuff because maybe because of the rating The water's fake. Yeah, I think that just get some motherfuckers in a canoe. You can do this. You can get a God damn. No, you don't need to know Alabama that cut fuck amat blue team will now be sacrificed to the gods who Are those sticks CGI? I'm pretty sure the people CGI at this point Suck you're off the team No, put me in coach. Oh my god. This is exciting. What's with the music? It's a game. We're having fun. What's the music doing? What is it trying to tell me it's been taken up a notch now because he's their best player We will defeat you spits All right. I want a nice clean game. So is this is this kind of like lacrosse? I guess so he just runs Okay, this looks like a shit game It seems like you just run in you just get it and you run in He's gonna have the biggest strongest guys He's gonna turn the tide wait what what? Banish forever I wonder what's a big deal that I would why would you banish all these people? Why would you play this game? What's the point? Damn, they're crushing them now. The blue team is really coming back the stick girl. She seems nice Still like the whole thing feels so um awkward and cosplay-ish. I know if yeah, like it all feels so shitty Yeah, I was gonna say shitty been a long time on this too. Yeah, look at all those sweet boys. Let's go on Wait, what what? She got a vision. That's why she's gonna lose the game. Oh shit. I just lost the game Oh, okay. Oh, she got distracted, but she still got it somehow So they won because she's got like superpowers then basically. Oh, wow the compositing is bad That was like a Zack Snyder shot That one looks weird beat her up. I'm I'm I'm guessing that echo is gonna have the same powers So she does have powers and probably I guess so all those other guys got banished because she got powers from god Oh, that looks so bad. I gotta go get some nuts I got I got a bag of nuts. You got a bag of nuts. I got some almonds You have all of the months. I've got a I've got a bag of roasted almonds here. They're very good They're whole shelled roasted almonds. They're very very good. I like them Oh, uh, kingpin's not in this episode. Vincent Pinofrio's name didn't show up Wow, I wonder how much he's gonna be in this show. Well, so the thing is for you I can't even say this because it makes no sense. I was like, well, this will be the episode when nothing happens We'll get at least probably two three four Are you implying no things are gonna happen the the last show at the end implied Genuinely something is supposed to happen in the first episode and we had two of them I mean as evidenced by the fact that it had like five or six writing credits But the thing is I think they would say like what do you mean loads happen? I think no it didn't nothing fucking happened Yeah, we got we got to watch two three and four where actually nothing happens now I love how they've now gone to based on the marvel comics. So the creators of the individual character six right Okay, maybe this one was the one that was two episodes put together. That was six story credits There's only 40 minutes this one, right was shorter than the first episode It's like the old saying more cooks make the kitchen better Dude, we're already nearly eight minutes in and nothing's happened Well, especially with that and and the credits are gonna be fairly long as well as I always are Why is a fire alarm going on? It's a door alarm, but it flashes so she can see it Why wouldn't she have like her phone in a pocket that vibrates the vibrate? Yeah, that would be a smarter thing to do If you're deaf in the comments, tell us how you wake up in the morning Yeah, because deaf people they're just sleep forever, right? I have to get family to be like No, don't go into the forever sleep. Show me billy jack. Where's billy jack show him you cowards What are you doing? I wonder what kind of attitude the Believing that you're a guaranteed success fosters by way of creation, you know That you assume that you're gonna get eyeballs just because of the brand that you're a part of Well, we have the insane Thought once upon a time that that would be a wonderful experience of knowing that I've got guaranteed eyes on this So I can work as hard as I want and have you know, like well Yeah, it goes both ways On one hand, yeah, you could take serious risks Every single thing I do is gonna be given at least a chance But then the other point of view is well, I could just do anything Literally like nothing I could do nothing and instead instead. It's always really boring and just you don't do shit Do you think in this show they're actually gonna do Anything interesting with like American Indian culture or mythology or it's it's all just gonna be like Shitty sprinklings over the top of a shitty story. They're not going to actually do anything cool with it It's not going to be like, um, well, I imagine that it's not going to be anything So interesting that you would have to like google and look into it and learn more and be like, oh, wow You know, like wow, that's a really, you know what I mean, I had to play it all They mentioned matriple. Oh, okay They don't like to be called that what native american. Yeah, I've heard that they don't like to really be called I always thought native american was that it was the indian was like the one that was dated The truth is it'll depend on I guess so yeah the people themselves you get all kinds of answers The reason I say american indian is because when I went to a south dakota to the crazy horse monument And they had the museum and everything and all the people there. That's what they used Make sure to call them latinx. That's going away. Isn't it right because that one's really pissed people off I have to assume it's going away. Yes hummingbird tongue You know, this is militia type shit you're buying You're welcome. That was uh, that was adr for sure militia type shit That was definitely adr because they were like, oh, you might not be able to figure out what's going on here So they needed that line in there So I was like, oh, you need to understand this is important. This matters That is funny about adr because it just tells you where the episode's going almost or well the story Well, whoa, essentially what the creators felt was so important that they had to Go out of their way to inject it in. Yeah, if I'm uh, if I'm only cutting in all of the noteworthy things that happen This is gonna be a short. This is gonna be a pretty spark. This might be This could be like a 20 minute evap. Well, the funny part is like, I think people will be seeing this sort of flashing By they'll be like, are they already in the first few minutes? It's like, no, you're on episode two, baby Look, billy jack. I will say they've done. Are you driving on the right hand side? Oh, yeah Why is it on the right hand side? This is america Is it the only vehicles here that typically have the driver on the right hand side are um, ups delivery trucks Um, like the mail the mail trucks. Is it because that they just get out on the right hand side so they Yeah, they park and they get in and get out. I see And that's the most interesting thing in this show is why he has a car What's also interesting is they're playing boys to men here. You hear the song to either That's a song from the 90s. Okay. Just give it a few more minutes I think something will happen. Isn't it crazy that like if you are good at writing dialogue It wouldn't even matter what events are happening or what payoffs necessary There are as long as you could just have lines that make us go like, yeah, or yeah Just characters talking dropping little hints about what they care about and What their deal is and what's going on all idea behind seinfeld was that it was like a show about nothing And that was interesting because the characters are interesting You don't need what's actually happening in the plot to be that crazy if you write characters are interesting You can watch them just sit in a room and talk for the whole thing Or like they could literally be looking for a pen. Yeah, exactly that could be looking for a pen Like they've never I don't know if any stories on that though. None at all It just feels like an answer to a hypothetical, doesn't it? Like you'd want to make that episode in your tv show because you're like I can do it Mm-hmm. That's so bizarre. Why does this pickup truck drive on the right? Maybe we'll get the answer to that mystery Maybe maybe they show the front. I'll see you're in Oklahoma, right? Is that a thing in Oklahoma? Not that I know of Just driving on the uh on the left on the yeah on the left. Oh, we're doing the train Ah, finally that that'll be something we can comment on Oh, what's funny for just people tracing this this is episode two of echo We are halfway through the episode. Oh my god. Yeah Because credit so yeah It's so weird how six episodes is short compared to especially compared to the average american television show You know, you normally get in 13 minimum Um, it's just so weird that they could be like six or five episodes and they're not even like 45 minutes long But he has headlights on his truck. It's a Chevy that drives on the right. That's interesting I still can't believe they loaded to five and there's so little happening Wow, you measured that perfectly Wow Not so cool anymore, huh? Oh, is it okay? She wow geez Stop with the graphics They would have been cooler if it was diegetic and he looked at his phone and it was showing on the phone. What is this music? This is a war tune of the joctaw people. Oh my god. It's like it's like the wolverine Have it be quiet or don't she's deaf. She can't hear a thing stop with the heartbeat It does seem very arbitrary when they uh, they change it. She can feel the heartbeat rags. That's how that works So why don't they just look and see you you're dead because they have machine guns I appreciate the thrilling music plays. This is like it sure does thrilling music. Yeah Here we go I just believe that she's here. I just do. Oh wow. What a what a spot to be on guard I'm just uh, yeah, I'm just gardening between these two boxes Oh, come on Whatever why why why why why she's so yeah, why is she so pleased with herself? She just jumped Yeah, can they not hear this probably not they it's probably loud and the wind and the train on the Well, the reason why i'm getting thrown off is because the uh, the audio mixing is very quiet right now You hit let's not quite it is Is she under wow, how'd you manage that? How was your fake like how? Okay, I don't know why she went under what what was wrong with being above. She needs to get under I guess How is she getting in She had a laser. Why wouldn't you go in from the top and say the bottom? Wouldn't it have been an interesting callback if she had that chatari tech that uh, vulture used to get in? That would have been neat. Yeah That's a gi Why why from the bottom instead of the top? This is so much more difficult. Uh, and yes, what if there's someone in there? Yeah, this is immensely more difficult than and look at it Look at how she's just not at all behaving like she is doing what she's doing Oh, that she's right underneath the freight train that's going to like, you know Oh, no too nice calling in the middle of the big thing. Oh no, I want to answer it. Just let it ring Hang on. Yeah. Uh, there you go. Well, yeah, you just let it ring Okay. Yeah, I ask again. Why did you do it from the bottom? Yeah, how did you cut that? Sorry, how was she had a buzz saw rags a fucking buzz saw So she cut through the bottom of a sealed shipping container And the fact that she was doing that all from beneath it like while the train is running That was so casually done. They just don't care. There's like, yep Yeah, how did she open her back track and get out the buzz the little saw? Like that must be incredibly difficult to do Come on billy jack. You gotta get yourself. Let's not see why we can't see belt on billy jack. Why can't billy jack be the B-plot we just follow him around Couldn't film somebody drive it off the road you couldn't film someone in an old beat-up Chevy driving off the road Yours funny. Is it probably would have caught like the safety permits or whatever to get it all done? How is she getting out? Oh, how she's get it looks like she's getting out as though she's getting onto a solid plot We just did that so fast. Yeah, that's done. That was easy Is it gonna be like she she does all of this and then some guys just looking at her and someone says Yeah, try them for music. That didn't even feel like an adventure at all. Yes. I'm like someone. Yeah, someone's looking at it, right Hard cuts her. Oh, no, okay. No, no, that would have been a funny like indiana jones style joke Where guys just watching her like kind of bewildered How did you fuck that up? What the hell? What? What What You ain't pushing that honey. No way It's a freight also. You are so lucky. That is your false leg. Could you imagine if that was her actual like that was the real leg Oh my god. Jesus. That would be horrific. Yeah Oh, she's using her ancient power to her super strength mana if she didn't have super strength She'd be screwed you threw your gloves away Yeah, because she's looking at her strength It's amazing that she's this incredibly powerful before she gets her powers I just I just want to make sure it's highlighted. She would be likely Dead if not for the fact that she lost her leg When she was a child. Uh, oh, yeah, that's right because uh, that would have crushed her real like if she would have bled out Like the bleeding would be absolutely profuse and she doesn't have like a really good way to get help And also just what are the odds again that you got powers and you're connected to all of the important Powerful people in the marble world, you know How can you possibly expect him to follow the train when it's going off-road? Yeah. Yeah, like this is what was her plan? What is it? What are you doing now? What are you doing? She's trying to break it. What is she she's trying to get the brake start up That the engine though the engine's gonna be Okay, what are you doing? She's like behaving as though she has had a significant wound, but in reality Oh wait, was that for light? Was that to make light for him to let him know? Okay, but he knows where the train is Also, they just don't have a way to stay in contact other than that. How inconvenient a tunnel. Yeah, why wouldn't they have like a right? Oh, no, wait. Hey, I never mind. Well, you can still like all of it looks fake She wouldn't need to the sound of the phone. She can use the visuals for a phone, right? I could use yeah some something you figured that there'd be something like a yeah Oh, come on. We all know you're gonna make it don't cares Okay, this is actually I was about to say this is not actually the way you do that Walk The way they just showed that what the hell better at stopping you'll just have but she wouldn't be on the truck She would have flung right off your life. Well, it's just don't jumping. She's on the outside of it Oh, wow tailgate. So she was hanging on to it from the back as he swung around Okay, sure. Yeah, she's just Lord, that was that was just awful. Yes, go back to Billy jack brown was gonna kill me What a terrible action set piece and that's supposed to be the stuff that keeps us interested, man What seeing her jump off of a moving train really high up land on the car Bounce off the roof cling on to the back and hold on to it as he swerves around After going what like 70 80 kilometers per hour to a hard stop and she managed to cling on Come on. Oh, this is this is batwoman. This is a batwoman place. This is a batwoman Warehouse, it's it's got it's got mildly better set dressing than a than a batwoman warehouse Yeah, it looks like they might have just rented out an actual grimy warehouse. Hey, that's something at least it's not cg Yeah, they didn't cg warehouse. They just rented. I'm not sure we could ever believe there's even a single shot That doesn't have cg in it. That's true. That's true. His sunglasses. They're probably cg She's gonna have to spend thousands of dollars to get her prosthetic fixed. Oh, is this some crazy She has backups. Oh my gosh, it's jason statham. No, I never mind. Never mind. What have they got? What crazy? It's stolen Oh, oh, wow She killed all those people. Isn't that a bit risky? You have no idea who this male Opened. Yeah. Oh, it's just what if there were people who aren't part of the criminal operation? What if what if they operate below a legitimate business with civilians? Well, what what if it gets jostled in and out of transit? Are you that much of a bomb expert that you know when it's gonna go out? That's crazy in new york Geez, is she is she marley speaking like an asshole? I I think I remember seeing something in like I don't know where it was But I saw something before it came out when they said, uh, she's more like remember wasn't that guy that we covered Um, didn't he say wasn't he talking about that that she's like, uh, she's not quintessential hero She's a bit more. She'll do things that you know, uh, kind of edgy but I'd say that that's very edgy. Um, blowing up a massive It's just stupid. It's obviously the main problem. He's not as bad as carly morgenthau I guess who did it intentionally to kill innocent people? You're right. Yeah, she killed intentionally for innocence. At least, uh, our main character would be like only the bad people died I swear. Oh, so it was a car that was specifically from this area and she put it in there on purpose He's glad that he pipes in proper grammar. Technically now is not a full sentence But in place of speech using fragments like that, I think is acceptable That's so stupid that her leg got jabbed at the drain. It's going to be very expensive prosthetic limbs are expensive They're quite expensive. Yeah, not for this guy. He's a he's a mechanic of legs You can fix this, right? This one's like super mechanical and like got electronics and everything. Those are quite expensive. I don't know That's your alfred. You're gonna have to find a way to There's no way he can fix this. You need like specialists. There are special people who do prosthetics Yeah, like I no matter how good he is with like building stuff I can't imagine that he could fix this the material that's used in them and they're It's googleable. It's googleable. All right. Well, I had to fix a robotic leg Especially one that's been jammed in a train It's a this specific video The prosthetic in his hand was cg somebody comes in Just uh, it's fake. It's bullshit. It's not really there. They were right No, it's bullshit. Look, it's not there. It's a cgi prop. It was cg It wasn't tracking properly and now I know to look for it. I don't think they actually had a prosthetic See look, you can do it. You guys didn't believe in him I I think I'd rather watch the show of just his adventures, you know Or the words of where's the woodpecker? Of course, I've added some protective goggles there, buddy, but that's all right. Well, maybe he was we couldn't see his face, right? Oh, see, it's like it's like steampunk now. Okay The real one take time I mean a bill. Oh, we'll get an even cooler one later All right, and what is that one going to be like some crazy Leg one that's got high tech stuff in it. Do you guys know how uh prosthetic legs stay on a person's uh body? Uh, I think I saw in that stuff that she had like a like a metal rod like the end of a leg something like that Yeah, there's a couple of designs, right? Yeah, a lot of them use Yeah, a lot of them use suction you wear like a sleeve over your limb or what's left of it And it creates a one-way air air vent so that when you stick it into the prosthetic Cap essentially like the cup of the prosthetic it seals it with a vacuum. It's it's air is connected by vacuum I saw um a video of someone who'd had like it's really getting getting somewhere now futuristic stuff where they they like nerves and um I guess tendons or whatever else are like connected from the Lash parts into mechanical parts into a prosthetic limb where they can move the hand and I was just like It's so cool Um, it's really impressive technology like having a robot arm sounds pretty cool. Honestly like if you could have a cool Like that's funny, right? If they nail it and it is almost indistinguishable and then actually like more responsive stronger Like wait a minute, I just get better than my human arm I'm just I just I just might ask for this. This is uh, that's what you get into. Well, the thing is that in Deus Ex They had to take medication Neutron like it was yeah, it's hydro. What was the name of the drug? I come up with exactly Neuropazine, I think Neuropazine. Yeah, that was fun Yeah, um, but Adam Jensen had like a unique ability where for other people it was really difficult to integrate it But he he could integrate with the tech big time But like, you know, he said he never asked for it But haven't like cool robot like being robo cop and having all of these cool abilities and everything You know being able to blast sonic shock waves and everything. Oh, this might explain why it's on the right hand side Because she works for the post. Oh look postal service Hey, that's cool. That's why we did it. Okay. We did that's what we call set up and pay off boys That is set up and pay off. That's cool. That's some attention to detail How did that happen? Well, I'm guessing it's because they actually just got a vehicle to match it and just that was what it was So on the echo production fucked up. Oh, I guess it says postal service on the side of the truck But I didn't I didn't read it just to be clear. I know I never knew what the sign said on the door I love pickles or biscuits. Those are they right? Yeah pickles It's so interesting how they've tried to brand. This is being different, you know, I'm like, oh look It's a man. It's also on hulu and it's like but it's the same as It's it's still the same as any other like marvel tv show on disney plus It's the friend. Oh Bonnie rags Oh, where's Clyde? I got So, how's the weather with you guys? Oh, it's getting hot. I don't like it It's uh, actually making it difficult to sleep honestly No, I said my uh, dog's okay You had one job how much how much the story have we seen now over iron half? Oh my god, the episode's almost done. Yeah, because I mean, we're nearly done So we're two fifths of the way through like we've seen a movie's worth now That's absolutely nuts. It's it. It really is they should Wow couldn't just put her up on a roof. Look at that green screen No, she's so cool. Why can't they just shoot in the locations that they're in it could be the leds that Makes you look like ass. It's kind of a Zach Snyder. He won it on the roof. You just get a ladder You're having a raw pop tart. Oh, yeah, people do that. People do that. Yeah. Yeah I don't think I've had a pop tart before maybe once don't Oh, that was cg Get an apple strudel one and put it in the toaster and they're all right Yeah, like he doesn't look like he has worries either. Maybe there's just the camera There's no way that they're on a green screen right now Yeah, like the way that it's focused on them or something or the weird I wouldn't like a freak. I wouldn't count it out. They do surprise everyone's in a while. Oh, this has got to be I think it is. Yeah, I think yeah, it's composited. They're not really here. That's so fucking sad No, why it doesn't look right? Does it it looks wrong? It looks really off It's why I don't get it. Why would you just like actually or is this a reshoot? It might be Especially mention of this everything looks so fake I can't get invested in anything. It's all so fake The thing is I just I just don't I if this is not them on a green screen, then they screwed up really badly shooting this See because if we don't see him getting that see this feels real again. No, that looks back to wrong Oh, that looks weird though. That looks weird Is the car on this actually in the is the car on the green screen like the I think the car is on the green screen, but the because the trees and everything it just looks so weird That okay It's the wide shot that looks looked okay, but everything else how far the car goes. Let's see. Ah, see you cut away What are we doing? Do we get in the car drive off? No, we don't see the car drive off. No, no, we didn't That's wacky. I was so distracted that whole seat just by how ass it looked It is really distracting. Wow. What a great hook for episode three. Bonnie now knows she's here drama Wow, I'm a bonnie the one that they they hung out that oh, oh god, what? What what you're shooting at the Part people gonna call the police when they hear the gunshots. Why would you do that? That's so weird So you just shoot the yellow chains like it's resident evil. Oh, that's that Okay So what did we achieve in that episode? What the fuck are we supposed to talk about other than the trade? I just I mean because that that reminds me of just normal mcu sludge of a really Really, really poorly thought out action scene Yeah, but like there's more to say about like the rest of it was just so it's a fucking nothing I don't understand six, you know in this case five episodes is not a lot of time It's not a lot compared to an average tv show, but it feels like they can't they can't feel it I don't know how to feel that time. They don't know how to feel it. I don't get it Most like in a lot of other shows. It's like damn only 13 episodes You could have done more, you know, like there's more than we wanted to do and more than we could do Because it's like what do we learn throughout that? It's like well, she she did a little stunt and it's it's gonna make her more Notable, but she's still trying to get some vengeance. Her friend now knows that she's in town and no Yeah, and it's like If she doesn't want to talk to bonnie, she just literally doesn't have to what we'll describe as sort of like the progression of the Episode someone could be like, oh, so that sounds like a scene like yeah Yeah It's 35 minutes It's it's you know a simpson's episode will tell a whole story. Yeah 20 minutes beginning middle and with your standard set up Conflict and then character arc and then resolution in 20 episodes in 20 minutes, you know And that's that's these episodes. It's like, yeah 35 40 minutes and in that time I just don't how can you not feel the time? I just don't understand how they can't feel the time with interesting things Or just just story just normal story things happening some kind of something. Gee or god just like something I mean, it's not like you guys went anywhere I mean seemingly not I I am I'm I'm more fascinated by the the way that this is being cut together Yeah, I'm Oh the shooting of it the editing of it the sheer lack of scripting the sheer lack of focus Six story credits in one episode six story How does it get to be this way? Like you need that guy to come in and be like what the fuck you've got everything wrong Like the way you're making this everything's fucked up You look who who have you what's the experience all the people who are on here and some guy like holds his hand up It's like I wrote an episode of gris grass like season 17. You know like what what does that even mean? I don't understand how you can get to a place where you got like six story credits and five I don't get it. How does that happen because the writer you're absolutely right on that But it's also just like the people who are controlling all this have never made tv let alone anything I think at this point Well, I just looked this up because the uh, the the showrunner on this show wrote some episodes of our better call soul Wrote three episodes of better call soul and was like a staff writer the whole for most of the make it makes sense Was it that whatever they wrote for this got chewed up completely and is barely even used? I mean it might be the case that's being talked about that that now they're actually going to have showrunners for real Um that before that it wasn't necessarily the case I I just don't know how it happens that you could have An inability to actually fill the time. I don't get it. I don't get it It's also just like a Obviously from a point of view just like how is that even possible but also just a sad sort of like how dare you With this opportunity use it for nothing Yeah, like that's kind of the thing that really starts to sink in and linger with me as something that I get upset at And it's the idea that you you people got to make a television show with disney money and you are you are squandering the I feel you're like I understand it I'm starting to understand that thing that that your parents might say where you know We've done all this for you and you're not doing anything or like maybe you you let them down or disappoint them You know and then they say something like that like, you know, I like I'm starting to get it Uh, it just it doesn't feel very fair does it of um, no if we had a sex night or ryan johnson Yeah, if they gave us disney money and five episodes And like oh the things we could do the things we could come up with the stories we could tell the stuff Part of the problem is I don't know what to make of it anymore in terms of How much of it stems from the essentially oppressive marvel structure that makes it to where it's like Impossible for good things to come out and how much of it just does come from people who don't know what they're doing like who just Don't seem to understand how to make a film or or uh or construct a television season I don't I don't get it. I don't understand how this I don't yeah, don't you want to make something good Don't you want to create something that's meaningful that lasts that something crazy like unprecedented It is unprecedented to have a string of what 14 Like I think it's actually at this point 13 or 14 um Projects that have come out and have been really bad really bad to where even to where it's now just popular consensus that they were really bad And disposable they just exist to justify The the subscription to the uh to the streaming service. It really feels that way that they know Especially in this case the fact that they had that uh hawkeye stuff there then the awareness that they're there You watch them Maybe you talk about them for as they're coming out and then once they're done They have expended their purpose as a creation rather than being something that people would want to go back and rewatch Who who has actually got that itch of like, oh man. I really want to rewatch moon night Yeah, for instance. It's gone. It's done in public consciousness until season two pops around and we're like, oh right Yeah, hopefully this one will be better and I believe that with no basis at all Like no reason to really believe that anything would be better I'm so baffled that they couldn't actually that that green screen there of like Just at a house When you when you look at this, you know, like friends is the prosthetic That was fake throughout that whole scene the crushed one. Oh, yeah They couldn't just buy some crappy old one and then like smooth shit With disney money like if this was a really super film or whatever I'd understand but they they don't spend money on really important shit It's what we talked about with actual places lord of the rings that they um They not only find like less effective ways of achieving the art form they want But they also find like almost always the most expensive way of doing it. Which is so strange Really really really weird because you would think that you would try to make it as cheap as you could Well, instead of it being incredibly expensive and looking really cheap the worst of both worlds You think they'd have someone whose job was to approve the green screen room like no like like we need to do a scene I like the guy that says no at the door for real do it Yeah, there's the guy at the door and you have to say hi We need to shoot a scene like talking in front of the house and you're like no You don't get to fucking use the green screen room for that go go to the house and take your camera as you fucking idiot You know the prosthetic thing you're just talking about like I could just imagine in a production where it's not Shit and it's actually more rag tag incredibly low budget and they're like Can we send this to the cgp? People's like we cannot afford that we don't have the time does anyone know anyone with a prosthetic leg And one that they could spare we could buy it off them and then they do that Yeah, call up a local prosthesis place and be like, hey, we're making a movie. Can we borrow one for a few days? We're not going to bang it up or anything We just need a prop for a prosthetic and we borrow one. Well, that's what let's say for example They did and then it did destroy and then it looks great in the final product And then we get the behind the scenes or the trivia or whatever else they go Oh, funny story. So we had no way of doing this. We didn't realize this happened They described they get it from a friend that friend needed it They destroyed it and so that they had to try and put somebody together to help about Yeah, they rented it to us But the prop guys thought that it was ours to destroy that it was just uh Like a hand me down or just like a broken one So we actually destroyed it and the director's face when he came in and saw the destroyed prop And he did he lost his shit when he realized it and then they laugh They talk about how it was solved that ultimately they look back and you know as much as it was a nightmare to get all of that done It's it turned out great like that sort of stuff versus cg. That was fun Like it's done. There we go. You know what I'm starting to think is they said cg the dog and some guy was like, I have a dog We No, no, no, no, he's right here. We could use him right out Billy jack, he's very friendly. We're not gonna trade the dog. He's like, no, he's he's he's well behaved We it'll be fine. I swear like we can use the dog work at disney. They recoil at the site of an actual animal They're like, oh a beast from the nether world I wouldn't be surprised. They feel like I'm fucking people in the background at this point. There's like a guy who's like I'm an extra. It's like we don't need you. We have cg We don't need extras. We can have cg extras, you know I don't understand how this happens Yeah, it's such a mess and I look at this this one's particularly just wafer thin It really feels like it's struggling to they all have like a flavor of bad That one seems to be for this one where it's just nothing fucking happens at all And they knew that I'm starting to wonder if um When they have let's say You know, let's just go to the extreme if you had like a hundred episodes of a tv show And you knew that the most coolest awesome thing happens in episode five So like release the first five is like, okay, I can kind of understand that you have like 20 And you do the same things like yeah, and then you're down to like a 10 And if you release the first five straight away, it's like that's weird other than places like netflix, of course But like I guess it would make sense if you really don't have any kind of hook But this one I'm starting to think like instead of just getting past it Is it also the fact that they were like We have nothing in this show like not even the fucking end of the last episode It's probably gonna have anything that makes people go like whoa That's the thing how does it how does that happen? How was it that you get the show like it gets handed in you know That works done here you go disney and then you're just left with that of something that You can't do anything. It's like um, yeah They've indulged so hard and just whatever they want to do that They've got like nothing here that resembles what you're supposed to do as much as I'm not a huge fan of rules Like that like you need to have this and this hook and this Insighting incidents and all those sort of like rules of thumb and stuff I'm just like okay, but you've you've actually gone to a point Now you've created something that no one's gonna care about at all because what you have here Again with a show that it's baked into it The awareness that a lot of people are watching it. I don't remember or haven't seen Hawkeye All we have is the main character wants to take down this guy's empire because Stuff that apparently happened elsewhere. Sorry And that that's it. That's like the that's the plot Is she wants to take down This guy's empire who only has significance from a meta sense Not from anything that we've seen in here if this was the only thing you'd watched What reason do you have to think that fisk is a bad guy at all? Like or a Noteworthy bad guy and a big vendetta of destroying the empire of a guy who as far as she's aware is dead Is that right or does she know that he's in hospital because she didn't You know what brings like maybe they'll tell us an episode five because that will be the only interesting piece of information My guess is that we're not actually gonna see Kingpin in any major capacity until the end of the season which really feels like man We are just trying to prop the shop as much as we can with uh Essentially stolen like it's not it's not you you didn't earn any of the um Amount of attention that you would get from having dead evil or kingpin in it um I just do find it funny that it's like yeah throw throwing dead evil in the first episode and then have him not show up Again, that'll be a great a great way to rote people in and once we've rote them in we can we can keep them there without really fascinating and intriguing drama of Woman wants to take over an empire because she wants to because that's all we have is that she wants to do it just because Not for any particularly meaningful reason Which yeah, I have no I don't know anything about her. I were two episodes in I basically know shit about this character You know, it's funny to be like, okay, what about the other characters like other I mean, I don't know anything about those guys either There's a guy who's helping her out with the dog. Who's a bit of a wacky guy And then you've just kind of got everybody else just around He's only in it. He's barely in it. Yeah, but everyone else. Yeah, it does seem like they're just sort of around And that's the thing in in one week. What is anybody who's watched the show going to tell you about these riveting characters probably I mean of the people who are watching it Dude, it's so empty. It's one of the only emptiest pieces of meter I've ever seen that now it's very obvious that they added in the violence afterward The sale of this show being In any way serious and violent is actually kind of sad in retrospect because it's just there's nothing here Like what is the selling point? You can't even it's it's very rare because there's usually a character at least And it's it seems like they haven't even managed to pull that off The factor events have to happen things have to be moved forward in some way shape or form usually gets you a character Yeah, just just because everybody has a general understanding of what stories are meant to be You know a character's going to knock and they change and they grow and they learn things about themselves in the world Is it weird that she has access to all of those like high explosives? Is that something that she's worked for kingpin, bro So she's she knows all of this. I guess that justifies her having anything she ever needs ever, right? Well, now what are we doing? Okay, the light horseman. Oh, it's a Dalmatian. Oh, it is Look at him. Yeah, I guess I could get so big you could ride him. That's true I want a story about the light horseman. Okay Bang I like how that's Wow It's too clean. It needs to be washed out a bit. It needs to be lower resolutions It's it's obviously high definite. I've got a very faint Um, is it also not just funny though that it was like the dad is a light horseman But she was a force of her own you're like, okay You can't because you're a lady women are life givers men are life takers Why couldn't they actually go out into a like no You can't just look you can't they only have disney money. You can't just go into a field I don't know man. I feel like in the last four years. I've seen this done 612 times, you know Like there are other stories that you can do She's gonna be awesome. Like this really is the only story. They know how to tell isn't it and they know how to tell They don't know how to tell it. I spoke too much even in my mockery of them. I overestimated me I would watch a show about a bunch of Choctaw light horsemen Can you imagine if they actually shot them on old cameras, you know, rather than shooting it on whatever hd camera They've been using for the show Could you imagine why it's black and white sort of and getting an old camera and trying to make it look like It's an ambush. They're obviously not there. It's an ambush. You idiot. Oh look a trap now. They're gonna get shot Oh, wow, was that blood? I guess So it's the mature show No, you have to shoot it like the old shows where they just like grab the gunshot where it hit them and they go And then they turn over and fall over Another cool attention to details if they used on the What are they called the the actual All right, so what is this supposed to be? I I have no idea So this isn't actually supposed to be a show. What's the goober alien thing? What's going on? We are actually only going to find out in like the last episode Typically we find out about all of that in the penultimate episode usually the second last episode is where you get all the big revelations And then the last Gonna kill them all here we go. She's not even aiming down the sights. Yeah Wow, you got them. Good job and everything. You're a force to be reckoned with. Oh, yeah Why are you celebrating you've sustained casualties who need magic? It's not over to and you don't want her The the actual thing would be like you'd be sad to see joe. Oh god Yeah, like there are has to do there There are shows made by adults or stories made by adults where you you have something like that being achieved But that the parent understands exactly what that means, which is not good Yeah, like that the she feels like she has to fight means damn. It's not peaceful We don't we don't live in a peaceful world. She doesn't get to Lead a peaceful life. Remember the last of us when ellie had to shoot that guy and I want and that was actually like not a good thing. That was really really traumatic And how joe's reaction was to it and her reaction and she was like getting teary eyed and everything And Man look at that blue bar go blue bar go run Oh, new york Look, it's kingpin He's only got one eye because he got shot in the other eye You see regs man. His eyeball Broke the bullets, you know momentum. What's your name on this one? You do oh you do. Oh sure. We'll put it on I was just gonna say again. I find it's so crazy that they've gone away from crediting the individual Writers and artists who are responsible for the characters to just based on the marvel comics It's like why aren't you crediting the people who like created the individual characters? Yeah, just CG right in that's what you're good at because for you so disconnected at this point Good thing i'm sitting behind this desk or this show would be over. Yeah It is interesting to think that this show just simply would not be if they had the choice to green light it today They wouldn't yeah, everyone knows the secret if if one could even say it's a secret of Marvel don't believe in the show at all We which is so funny that they have to try and do marketing of like yeah, this show so cool It's like but we all understand which is that you want to get this out there You're never going to do it again You're not going to do these types of types of projects anymore Now you're going to be way more selective about what you choose to uh make into a film or a television show Why can't we have a show about the dog going on like red dog neither of you have seen red dog, right? No, I haven't seen red. I know if Clifford the red dog. Yeah. No. No. No. No. No, not the big red dog He's just red dog. It's a he was a real dog that lived up in uh, I believe it was in the kimberley area So up in up in the north um, and he went on grand old adventures all around northern australia I think by some of counts. He actually went internationally. Um, they built a statue for him He was a kelpie, you know an australian sheep dog and he went on he went on a grand old adventure And they made it into a film called red dog that I remember liking I can't talk to her now Yeah, nothing to say I'd rather talk about different shows than watch this one. Yeah I was supposed to like the character just said I have nothing to say. I was like, oh This is the most endearing episode. I like how it's just there's no subtext here It's just text of yes. We have nothing to say He was kind of it was kind of fun when he was like, hey, what's up? And he was doing his little pose and she's like, uh, this is a disney show You know how this is gonna end and she shoots and then it did Have already what do you mean? Why don't just go to her house and kill her when she We're already a quarter of the way through the episode. Oh, I remember when she shot that I thought she shot the chains. I didn't break. I guess she didn't enough for it to fall off Things are strong. I guess the bullets are strong Maybe that was the gun she used to shoot Dude, this feels like it would shot my side a look of the blur around the bar. Now it's gone But it was that now it's back. Look at that blur. Oh my goodness. Oh, wow. Look. Oh my god. Oh, oh woodpecker Oh, no, that one too. Is it like multiple lives connected through time? Well, they all have the same ability seemingly, right? They have the thing with the swirl on that Yeah Wow, how is she gonna get out of this scrape? She's upside down. Oh, they got it now Why would they bring her here to this to the rink? Why would they not take her some? That's so funny when it was like have her ready and then he's just like go kidnap her They're like, oh, lucky. She's doing it. Why would you let her keep her leg? Why would you not take her leg away? What she escaped because they put her up there with I cannot fucking. Oh, she hasn't escaped. Okay. Thank. Fuck that would have been embarrassing. Here we go fight With one arm tied behind her back. Oh my goodness. Oh wait, both arms tied behind the back Well, that won't stop it. Let's be honest. How did you get her up there? Like physically? How did you do that? That's I guess that is had to be unraised. Why? Why wouldn't they just like cover and keep her in a chair or something? Yeah, just tie her up all the way like the like the old the old rough rough scallions would To the ladies and put them on the train. Oh, he's here. Hi Wow Why was she tied up? They're just dragging her away Why did she look at that like she was confused or like curious that's nothing confusing about it That's her foot. All I gotta do is sit outside that door. What are you scared? No, sit inside the door and look at her and then how she can escape. No, just like look at her and if she moves shoot her with the gun Why would you like give it back? It allows why god damn everyone's so You know when people when actual people get kidnapped they're gonna wonder wait, how the fuck wait I'm helpless and tied up and this is I can't escape. This isn't like the movies at all It's like it's like kidnapping batman and then you just let him keep the entire suit on, you know Why would you do this here? What the fuck in a very public space that apparently people have expectations of being able to come This is so cloudy Oh, and this is how they'll meet and it's like what happened echo What I haven't seen you in decades and look at you you're fighting. That's what it's gonna be She's gonna see her fighting and then it'll be like, oh my god Remember when we we well she'll tell echo all of her positive qualities and then you used to be such a wonderful intelligent and fun Woman smart and funny. It used to be the best in full of life in europe Oh, come on Oh and see that'll be the big one. It was right as a pretty. She's like, yeah She's gonna need to break out to save this bonnie, right? I think so bonnie's the name of one of the droids in five nights at Freddy Oh my goodness I could use rock santa cheer me up Oh, they released him to get her to leave. I don't even know why they would bother Why would they just they're probably just kidnap her too and then probably lock the back door Did they not anticipate any of the just fucking kidnap them both. She's looking at him sign. How come How come you were sign language in her? She knows it, right? Oh, she would have uh, well, no, no, like I mean the other guy Like I was watching you make those obvious sign languages to her Yeah, why didn't anybody see him doing it? Yeah, both of them were watching but the show was like no It wasn't it wasn't clear to me that the girl was at the wrong angle, but I guess she was too Everybody was at the wrong angle. Nobody could see it. Probably something you should have kept an eye on though Why didn't you just do that to begin with the fucking idiots? Oh my goodness gracious Why are there so many surprise grabs because that's a dramatic Dramatic I guess what I find funny is what's the point? I mean, we know that there's not going to be any Consequences from this. You know they can have a lot to heart that'll that'll chew up five minutes Wow, they'll just leave them together and they can help each other. Yeah, but did you notice that they they left her there Tied up but free to move around her arms are behind her back But she could just like get up and walk around. Yeah, it's just a zip tie You could just like break out of those you can a single zip tie is really not that great Tyler rake showed us how to break out one of those So it's it is a worse payoff of just oh, she just happened to get captured and put in the room rather than the whole saving Routine. Yeah, this is just a clever or interesting or like that's the stinger end of an episode where maybe she turns around And they just happen to each other or something Oh, fuck off They didn't even show it doing it. They didn't even show it. They just gave up. They're like, yeah, she's free Fuck you now. She's she's free and she has her prosthetic leg. They didn't take it off her I can't believe it. I can't find it's like when they capture mando, but let him keep his helmet and armor on the way What is this? Why would you do it like this? I can't believe it. Thanks for showing us all that Isn't it way better when you take everything from them and they still break out through being intelligent? Isn't that better rather than them leaving you your foot that has a fucking knife in it Also, lucky they didn't see the reflection moving there by anyone's chance Let's leave out the back door. Can we focus on escaping? Right now, please. Can we prioritize the tasks? Yeah, they're actually having a fight about their personal lives, huh? Okay, I just find it so funny that it's like, ah, yes, let's deal with this personal drama right now after being abducted by Yeah, she seems to not be recognizing her situation at all or she recognizes. She's in a tv show One of those two we're nearly halfway through this grand tale Like the whole thing. Here's the thing, Henry. I ain't taking orders no more Not from you. Oh, no, he's not taking orders anymore. He looks like discount boy. Uh, hold bro Yeah, he does give me that that sort of aura you're in there He's playing a bit of a uh, what like a yeah, maybe a little bit a little bit Well, yeah, if only you were actually in the room, uh, if only you took away the uh, the foot Oh, no, Chungus. Oh, they're pretending. Oh, look, they're not free. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't shoot her If she's dead when they get here, we ain't getting paid Your advantage has now been given up. Why would you put guns down? Why wouldn't you you just gotta threaten a friend? She just gave up her advantage though. They didn't know that she was free now Yeah, put on the zip ties or we're gonna shoot you in the leg Now they're none of them have their guns. They're not even looking. They're all arguing What why would you come on the punch was completely happening? What why did she just terminate her motive like they didn't even they could have just killed her Why did you punch your friend? That was totally unnecessary. Yeah, if the idea was just to push her into them You could have just done that anyway, but why would you do that? You didn't have to punch It's also weird to toss a civilian into the enemies to like get there here in the way What was all of that that was really because now like What what is going on? I'm glad that we found literally the most incompetent criminal since the wet bandits At least they were immortal. What a shiny gun that gun's fake. That's a fake You can tell by looking at it. It looks super fake rousing music, huh? You couldn't you don't how isn't there like a disney warehouse full of props That you could just like use for all of your shows fake guns and no like warehouses and I guess not All right, these are our bad guys. These are our random goons so that we can have a big fight saying So for your sake, I hope the information you've been texting is legit Yeah, why didn't you send him a picture? Why do this speech went what when you just go well, they're also here now go and check Take your time Yeah, well we didn't like we just didn't need any of that dialogue honestly You work here. Why are we learning the the skating rink lore? Go get the girl I know boys. She's here somewhere. I was thinking you show me that money first fan out. What? Yeah, just ask him where she is What is going on? Why would they be fanning out? Why wouldn't it just be like Let's go to the location where she is She's fan out Wait, oh, what is this my brain is breaking? My brain is in the room to improvise There's no there's no continuity the continuity is completely dead like what's going on It's like it's like the the scooby-doo crew going into the grocery store to get food and they say all right Everyone's fan out It's for clues But that would make more sense What is happening They already escaped. Don't you give a fuck what's going on? What you made a gun Um, you made excuse me. You heard that you definitely heard that fuck her up chongus get in there Is it gonna ricochet like my god? They can they could still see though. Yeah, it's pretty bright. No, it's just one of those. It's supposed to be really dark No, no, why why would you even bother? Why why stick your gun in first? Yeah, stick the gun in first so she could just slam the door on your hand. She's dead. She can't hear you Yeah, I mean she's I just don't under I don't understand Oh What was she shooting at me? What was it shooting nuts? Those are shooting little like bolts or something. They were bouncing off her. They didn't seem to be doing much It's supposed to be making a deal not giving them the grand tour. Can you let me handle this? What's going on just take them to the room I love jason statham Doesn't look like jason statham. Sorry rags. Yeah, I don't even know why you jason statham has a longer face than that guy That guy's face is kind of short actually. He was got that spherical look My Lopez, why did they write it like this? He looks like the guy from the happening. What's mark wallberg? He looks like mark wallberg. He looks like mark wallberg. No, he does. Yeah, he does No, he doesn't. Yeah, you'll see the They said a picture of fat there. Why is it blue in the picture? What the hell? What is going on? What why would she do this? What if they shot her friend? What if she just left? Yeah, that's right. You have they have hostages dude. If they'd gone straight to the room from entering the place They'd have her. Yeah, but now they're gonna now it's gonna. What the hell? Is he dead? Wait, why would you shoot him? Why would you do that? Why would you shoot him? Why would you do that? Oh They had him spit blood all over his eyes. That's uh, what a what a strange fucking development, dude What a bizarre and they in its CGI blood. They didn't even just put some red on his face I was actually wondering if the spit up was actually CG or not I'm so can fly. I'm dragging. Um, I don't understand. How did we get here? Oh, this is how they spread him out so that she can find him all Just travel as a group so that he can flip the circuit breaker. She wasn't She was in the room that they just they just did weird things until she escaped Oh, see isn't this stylish that fighting in a room that's like blue What the fuck What what what if wait, what if the guy to undo it was the the owner? What what if it was it was body or something for whatever reason? Oh, what a riveting fight wow, look at that strong with your one arm Well, she's got a gun now that guy dropped his gun. So Oh, she's gonna Through the wood. Wow. Just gonna keep doing it hand to hand Okay, how was that his feet went up into the air Wow, why would you even do that? I don't even understand the physics there. Did she charge now they just shoot her They just shoot her. So I don't know what took him so long there Oh Unstoppable wow, this is silence is so arbitrary when they do it. Wow this show is You would have already known it was out from the last time you shot it you got a count like archer said Why were you trying to do that With his gun he did this one. Oh, wow. Why'd you drop? Why did you drop your gun? You you just put your gun down? None of them is just shot her. She can't even hear people like coming up behind her or anything She's at an insane. Well. Yeah, because the whole thing is in close He can't see but he can hear so well that it's he might walk Oh She's ripping them with the gun. What this is What They're not they don't remotely trying anymore. How come the guy there doesn't shoot her how come I'm not no point in asking questions There's literally no point asking questions How come this guy's done so much better than almost everyone else? What happened? What happened? Yeah, what even happened? I'm not actually sure how he uh, he got The court hit his face and went and that was it Yeah game losing sound Oh, okay, why does she still have her prosthetic take it off? Dude, it was as simple as having a hostage. That was it But they had the whole time. It's this is this has all been so fucking wacky and dumb Please what's what's gonna save them? Is it king? Yeah, what's gonna happen? I Oh, it is king pin, isn't it? Did king pin just get out of his coma so that he could call them to say don't do it at literally the last second I you know what I think that down to the second I think come on, but mr. Pin really? Oh no, mr. Pin We got him. Let me ask you how to go through all this to not kill her. Oh you hung up. Damn Okay, okay, that actually is the case they called just at the right moment Just imagine if one of the guys who was fighting her killed her, you know Also, I like how many guys there are left even though she executed many of them Are they they're just gonna leave behind they're just gonna leave them here. You don't want them to be brought any place Oh, wait, what? That's fine. There you go. This is this is what's next now They got a phone call and now they get to know they can go wherever they want No, that why did it have to look real? You could have just pushed it. You didn't need to fucking punch you Well, she would just leave whether because if the police came here, she would just leave, right? I'm so confused. What am I supposed to be thinking right now? What does the show want me to be thinking three fifths of the way through more than halfway done No, she can't she called the police if you call the police falsely that's gonna get you arrested That's against the law so she can't leave bonnie can't leave No, she has to stay here for the police to show up Which I mean goddamn those police officers are gonna have a crazy night, aren't they? Look at all the blood Her fingerprints are gonna be all over everything and bonnie's truck was here and she did the 9-11 Well, and this place probably has Footage of uh from cameras, right? It's gotta be Are they just not gonna show up the police are on coming. They were called. She said so, right? We Almost die. You should have died many many times. Mm-hmm. There's a price on your head. Well, evidently there isn't one because uh Obviously kingpin. Well, I after what he said after this guy said about how I'm not getting involved because of all the people And violence that will come here. She did it anyway. Oh my god. He just realized it's gotta be kingpin Whoa, he's the only person he did shoot him in the face. That's a really good point Well, that was that was back when we thought we were gonna kill him But then we decided we weren't gonna kill him So like from now on you just have to decapitate everybody and then burn the body, you know No, that's not enough Right disintegration twice didn't do it for palpatine. So there's nothing you can do Or there's somebody else in his organization Again, it relies on the meta as well because if you haven't seen because in dead of all in season one They work really hard to establish just how much power kingpin has in new york To where like any institution could be compromised At any moment you could be in serious jeopardy because every element of the world's coming down on you Oh, here's the special one. This is like alfred providing batman a brand new hype attack And this is really this is really meaningful Um now at this point, right? You can use this to kill a lot of people and issues lasers Yeah, and it brings terror to the town and a lot of us might die because you're bringing the mob here I love the turnaround on this piece of tech was in one episode Well, it's just weird, right? How come nobody in the community is like particularly judgmental about her life of crime? You represent your people dangerous terrible criminal who's putting us all in danger at this point I don't even know how much anyone knows about her. We don't know anything about her. Well, I guess it's a thing She disappeared for a long time and came back and a bunch of criminal Because yeah, you think that that might be a point of conflict of like dude Like people in the town are actually in serious danger now Yeah, that's why the guy didn't want to help you remember when he went to the cgi water tower He told you that like he told you what happened. We're in danger here. Yeah, this is your fault All right, here comes the special egg How was like that's insane that he could do it at all but that quickly Yeah, well, he he amazoned in all the pieces he needed And he has all the tools and equipment and the artist artistic talent and Knowledge all right, like I said youtube video amazon delivery all good to go. I don't care I was literally I literally was just looking at my ceiling He's making sure it's still up there. Yeah A little Well, I I don't even know. I think I was just staring at my screen Like at another window Like it was blurring the when the pixels change color is super interested It is kind of weird how they set up seemingly big drama with the old lady, but she's barely been in the story at all All right, come on credit. Fuck off. Why are they treating his stupid new leg as though? It's like this. It's like fucking andriel or some shit. Yeah, nothing's happened. Uh, she's leaving Oh, she punched her in the face for no reason I love that I have like a permanent eye injury uh as could easily happen if you punch someone in the eye So badass Oh, yeah, look leaving. We we we got to know so much about this town and this community Well, she's all she's done It's fucking up by being here. I mean, yeah All she's done is bring a lot of our carnage to it and she doesn't seem to be that upset about it Yeah, I don't know why we haven't done as much with this old lady It seemed like they were setting up some big conflict and drama there But they haven't even spoken to each other. Maybe they'll speak to each other in the finale Well, I mean, it's worth saying right? We're uh, we're over halfway almost unbelievably Isn't that with how little has happened? He said they think we get they think we give a shit about like anything that's happening. I hope billy jack's okay. Yeah Yeah, so do I and the woodpecker We haven't seen him since the first episode. Where's he gone off to? Well, remember usually the penultimate episode is the big Spirit journey like, you know revelation episode. So maybe maybe he's about to show up again If maybe she can shoot the chains to her crazy powers Because that's probably what's gonna happen, right is that maybe the woodpecker will show up and you know what on some dig For the record, um miss marvel is way better than this. Yeah, it had some characterization Oh god Oh You stupid fucks, why did you even they wanted to kill him? But then they were like shit. We didn't want to kill him at all Fuck Right now Oh so stupid Oh Wow, you see my eye took the brunt of it It stopped the bullet on his face or is that cgi? I don't know any right if he real is is anything real Make up their mind or whether or not he had like an eye injury or not Maybe they didn't even know you know, were they like what actually happened? Did he get shot in the eye or did it like lance off? I don't know Did it hit somewhere else? They were maybe going back and forth on that He was funny Where the um the falcon went to soldier people weren't even told if cap was alive or not These people were told to bring in kingpin Then they were like wait didn't he get shot in the in the in the eye in the fit in the head And then and then the response was just like bringing back. It's like, yeah, but he's definitely it's like bringing back Bring it back. You're the riders figure it out bring it back figure it out Do it they were probably like can we change it like so that he wasn't shot in the head They're like no what are we even to make of the idea of oh my god It's kingpin. This matters Why would this matter based on everything that's happened already throughout the season? Why is this a meaningful meeting? I don't even know who she is Yeah, we're still waiting to find out who the fuck this woman is watched and again presuming you haven't watched four seasons of television Really three, but if you want to throw in pork eye, what do you remember like presuming you haven't watched any of that What the hell are you supposed to make of kingpin? With Kamala we were like the problem wasn't that there was no characterization It was it just felt weird that she idolized captain marvel in a world where there would be so many people who'd be more interesting to idolize More likely certainly with what the kind of thing she finds inspiring Like it just wouldn't be carol captain marvel is not a part of anything to do on earth Really, um, there's no reason to be a fan of her. She's belly around Compared to any other character, but I mean otherwise there was some decent drama You know between her and her mother. There was there was stuff. We liked the mum. Yeah, she was the best one Talented seems like talented at first. That's the other thing. She brought energy. So Oh, you guys know energy in the show. No, this show is so Entropic black void. I mean it really is just a matter of it was green lit. Um, we've got the money to do it Do it. Nobody believes in it. Um, just isn't it crazy? We go four and five and that's it and four is 37 minutes I feel like nothing's happened. Dude the finale is 34 minutes So we only have really about 40 minutes of story. Yeah, we only have about what episode really I feel like everything we watched was and not even an episode's worth of content though. No, no Um, I feel like what we achieved there could make the train thing didn't need to happen That it was pointless. The train thing was pointless. I don't get it five episodes. That's not a short amount of time Chernobyl was five episodes Chernobyl was five episodes Though it is a short amount of time compared to a lot of television shows. But again, even in five episodes You can see how much you can get done Yeah, I just this is just there is this feels like the clearest example of the project existed before there was any idea for What to do with it? That it's like we have echo as a show. Nobody has any ideas or inspiration for what they want to do with the story but There's a team that's been You know assembled to make it They have the money to make it and they want it to be made because we're not at the point yet where they might have actually cancelled this Um, and so now it just exists and it's thrown out there. It's so weird, isn't it? It feels like the kind of thing that should this show feels like it shouldn't exist This shouldn't be able to happen Where something can get this much money But nobody is interested in making it or watching it and it and then it just gets thrown out And that's the end of it They treat money like it it grows on trees and it's an infinite thing that they could just Generate for free without trying Well, now they're in a place where it looks like they're about to be punished hard core for that attitude because They have a lot of stuff that if they could do it again, they probably wouldn't have green lit like iron heart or um Uh, what's what's the agatha the agatha show like a lot of these projects that if they could do it all again They would not be making them It's just such a What's what a fascinating kind of situation if you google anything with echo You have to do like disney echo or marvel echo because so many things use that there's so many products like that Um, that it's actually kind of difficult to google stuff about the show sometimes Well, yeah, because like google wants to return a whole bunch of other things like the amazon echo The like literally echo show Is like it's an amazon product There's like an echo show five and echo show eight and stuff like that So you can't put in echo show budget for instance You have to you might have to like keep scrolling down and scrolling down To buy an electronic device lower budget than the average thing But it's probably still a ridiculously high amount of money given what's actually happening And I wouldn't be surprised if it still cost over a hundred million dollars I mean, yeah, I'm just in surreal doesn't it It's because of the bloat The insane bloat of what these shows cost everything is pointless CGI And then it seems like there's so much back-end crap that has to get paid for Plus all of the massive amount of reshoots that every single project seems to end up having Um, like I This is a once cut twice. I guess over at disney They just they can't keep Doing it like this This is like this is unsustainable Which I think is about to become apparent Especially now that they are in a place where they're no longer guaranteed to succeed I I feel like there's going forward. There is just always going to be less marvel stuff Less um and and now I got to imagine that they're going to try and go like full steam ahead on pushing for like fantastic foreign x-men and stuff because These new stuff that they've set up during like phase four and five it ain't It ain't working. I like how this is what we're going to talk about because there's nothing actually to talk about in the show Little bit. Yeah, it really is kind of the the discussion of the show inevitably Is going to be weighted towards the meta Of you know, just the production elements disney and their position in the industry How it got made because this is one of those nonsense shows where nothing makes sense and everything sucks And there's nothing interesting in it except bellyjack. So what do you talk about? What is there to do? I mean all I see here is wasted opportunity what I see here is um like If there's no good For instance what I had mentioned during the episode. Why didn't they make the native american song the title sequence song? Instead they did that just a shitty generic pop music That in and of itself is interesting to me like it like it shows some incredible lack of confidence or actual cojones to Do something, you know with their With their shows, I guess cultural element, you know, they're not doing anything with any of their premise You have this um This native american backstory with the characters you got characters who are speaking as the chakta language But you're not doing anything with that It's you might you could just substitute it for It's a hispanic family or an italian family or a hungarian family and they speak magyar or whatever There's nothing about this that ties it to what it wants or thinks its identity actually is If I was an american indian and I was thinking oh neat They're gonna make a show that's about like, you know my people or let you talk to us specifically, right? And then I got this I'd be like, why do you hate me disney? How could we have this rich mythology and all this culture and imagery and aesthetics? And there's so much that you could do with it, but you're not this is just generic CGI green screen crap and that's not what we're about Well, it feels like it's it's something they've latched on to as a very thin attempt to Present this show as anything other than a very typical marvel show Of the same general structure and a lot of the same writing problems by way of plot characterization and world building I don't I guess I just I don't understand. What is the pitch for them to You know just an impartial observer of why should you be interested in the character echo? What what is the point of this story here? Um, why should I care? Yeah, why do I why should I want her to succeed? Tell me I just I don't I've no idea who she is. I don't know why she's motivated to do any of the things that she's doing I'm not sure what it is that she's afraid of what it is that she excels at other than Basically just things that don't tell me much about who she is as a person just like oh well She can fight really well. Oh, well, she can she can make these make shift weapons. It's like, okay Um, but like why why why why is she motivated to do any of these things? Why is she motivated? Why did she have any motivation to like just she have any motivation to prove herself to kingpin? What is the nature of their dynamic in their history? How did that all come to be? How does she feel about her family? Why didn't she go back? Is there a good reason for that or a bad reason for that? Um, I just who is she? I don't know who she is. I don't know about her. Yeah, I don't know who she is And and and then of course the fact that every other character in the show Is so thinly characterized either aside from the dog. He's he's a well-worn Character, but otherwise it's like the other guy in the shop when he was talking to the to the lady and he was like Hey, you know and he was doing his little pose and like that was a little piece of like character Then I'm like, okay. He sounds like a fun guy to kind of hang out with I guess they don't do anything with it She shoots him down immediately and she just mopes and I'm like, oh, oh, well. Okay, then never mind I guess we won't do anything with that um There is yeah, there's nothing to anything this is like the shadow Like like if you hung up a show on a clothesline This is kind of like what the shadow Of that show looks like Like it like you could look at it and be like I think that's a show by the silhouette I think so only when you're not looking at it though the second you look at it It's like shining the torch on the shadow and you're like, wait, where'd it go? Oh, like maybe if it's in the corner of your eye and you're like, oh, is that a show over there? Oh, no, it was just a Okay, maybe just a shadow or something. Okay. It's just a trick of the light. Who knows? Well, it's just yeah um, yeah, what a What an empty show And they they got kingpin and daredevil and hawk eye in it and it's just what an What an embarrassing thing and so begins the next Yeah, all right. It's funny because it's like wait, what what what even is the thrust of anything? It's like like it was saying nothing It is just fucking a whole lot of nothing previously that just shows clips from things that what even did this show When are we getting queenpin? Oh, who knows? Oh, that scene looks so fake the very real seed where real things happened Still waiting for that wood packet to come back in. I'm going to have some more got that this episode What's the story there editing it like it's a suspense story when they tied her upside down It letting the boot off Oh that episode that was probably the worst one Well that timely spent not getting her let it be victorious and then not and then kingpin just calls in right at the right moment You and I Was that the final payoff of the hawk eye show? Yes. I think that was the ending good lord It's just crazy kingpin. You never mentioned her in daredevil seasons one two and three across 36 episodes Weird I mentioned her after we do our wait 36. Sorry 39 episodes Whoops spotlight. Yes. This is a meaningful distinction because this is not like any other sludgy marvel show I don't think spotlight's a good spotlight. This is a good shit for what that's supposed to mean I mean, it's funny to say it's a spotlight when they threw this one out as quickly as they Know you would notice that it existed and they don't want to talk about it ever 2008 I remember that oh man that dang global financial crisis Well, if we we did see the trailer, we know exactly what's going to happen here if you remember Yeah, what this that kingpins just got to kill this back in our reason which one Use your words. Well, no, no this guy's gonna be mean. He's like you're doing your silly little hand movements You'll die. How am I supposed to know? People are like random dicks to children like this It feels it feels so forced that the ice cream man is being a complete cock to a Deaf child like why would that even happen? But of course it did and now fist is gonna be like I'm gonna do my thing Vincent Toffey was gonna be like very much trying he's gonna be like, uh, yeah You know what kingpin and daredevil meant to people and so he's like so this is this is carrying it on It's like it's not really man. It sucks. But I appreciate that you're you're giving it, you know, your kingpin effort Why do you hate me? He uses the ice cream the dingus to her kid and that's enough I mean it is kingpin. He's done stuff like this before. Yeah, and season one. I don't want my And we'll subvert it by she's not scared He is in fact Do this Don't worry kingpin will beat up the drive at her. Is he gonna punch him? That's pretty funny I'll get you you're kind of being a little bit of a jerk to me. So like fucking die. Where does this come from? Where does this come from? I uh cruel Is a nat she's just a naturally cruel and vindictive person with fisk The the deal is that his his dad was hyper abusive Yeah, his childhood was particularly rough with hair. I I mean she was in the car crash I don't know if that explains also kingpin never learned sign language to communicate with his daughter character His daughter over the course of many many years. He didn't learn over the course of like decades So I think that's actually a problem for them because they want to tell us that she means everything to him But simultaneously But then why why was he why was he so lonely and what was the deal with venessa then? It can't be you know what I mean. Yeah, it's like you can't do this You're not incorporating the history of these characters from the actual stories that they had Into this timeline You can't just insert this brand new character that wasn't a part of his life or the stories he was involved in for several years They get to introduce full civilizations left right and center I think they can do a random piece add in a character who was always there the whole time was so important That he never mentioned her at all. Oh, it makes it really good to watch You know, so she killed the sign language interpreter Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, why what why did that just happen what I miss I He said to the sign language interpreter. You're dismissed and then they killed her Because she knew too much or so why so that's even more of a reason to not to learn it yourself So you don't have to have these loose ends and shit to tie up Dude just going through interpreters whenever you need to have a con. Yeah, I guess so every time you're done with what Jesus Christ, you've got to be this it's like you know, it sucks to It causes all these problems But it also would have been a boon to the character if he did do that It would be like that's something significant and it would show he's not like, you know It's part of why people rate kingpin as one of the best villains of the mcu Even though that feels clunky to say because now at this point people like dead I was like it's a fucking own thing Don't want to touch the mcu You could show how he speaks it really poorly and clunkily at first when she's really young But then by the time she's older, he speaks it fluently and his motions are really well practiced and stuff You don't even have to point it out. You just have that Yeah, because like people would just be able to deduce that but oh well unless it's well What do we fucking know? We're just schmucks on the internet. He don't know shit about nothing So lame that he's he's stapled to this Well, yeah, and then it's just everything that comes along with all of the damage that it does to Stories that I don't really care what they say I'm always going to like treat them as something that was different that exists in its own little world It's already seven minutes gone Yeah, we have that really long way through the episode basically. Oh, wow Right back to this Like I got a bandage. I got bad Actually the other eye. That's so funny. No way. That's actually a cgi patch, right? That's gotta be right. I assume that's just gotta be real. I'll keep an eye out though You never know what's cg in this. Oh, wow, that was That was really awkward. Yeah, like the wait, what what is what is going on? Is he gonna take her eye? I know he's putting on a little contact I was gonna say this must be plot relevant because she got captured for a second there Which is not something she would allow to happen normally. What's going on here? Wow, jeez. That's like can we please talk? Oh, come on Oh, wow, is it did the actor just like refuse to learn sign language? I don't know at this point like why yeah Now it just seems like a complete fucking waste this sound Why wouldn't you just have it be that he learned it? Yeah, because there's no way vincenzo norfield would refuse to do the signing and stuff like this is just stupid No, he is he is hyper character actor. He'd he'd commit to Why didn't you do that then? This seems awkward and distracting. This is like total stark shit. Yeah Yeah, well, they're probably not gonna show it anymore now because we they're like you understand now It's like it's done. Yeah, it's all good now. We can just have conversations as normal Just cheat in man. We can have a sunday family dinner. Let's have a sunday dinner But it's Thursday Who wrote this like People of our house was dead. I've all spent three episodes building up kingpin big time of just the guy He's the guy who's in charge that nobody even wants to say his name. That's how scary is To when you eventually reveal him and it's like already before you even get to see him You're like, oh, shit. This is a scary guy. This guy means business here. It's like, oh, I thought we could have a a family picnic Just like old times So gross Bad to play a game like you have a sunday brunch. I'm not angry with you. My really How are you alive? Oh, we got a What is that? Why was it blue little souvenir you left me souvenir where you shot me in the head Why was it like a magical fluid like Is that the way of trying to say like trust us that loads of tech went into saving him. Okay That's how that's how it's explained. Well, it comes I guess they they want to do the same thing with Thor When they don't want to commit to the eye patch Well, it's like I don't believe I don't it doesn't matter what tech you have. He was dead before he got to the hospital He got shot in the eye with a gun. It's so funny because uh about the eye patch angle. It's like look He's not dead. He's alive, but he's lost the eye and you're like, oh, okay He's like he hasn't lost the eye, but he has a scar Oh Yeah, it'll probably be gone There's really no repercussions to no no. Yeah, they shot in the eyeball really just temporary inconsistency Well, I's a notoriously armored so the bullet probably actually bounced off. Yes, they're not they're not soft at all They're like they're like iron. That's like in superman returns. You know when it yeah Don't make sense now Interesting like I guess they think who is this fucking woman still to oh there this is back And all I can think about is how much of a wasted opportunity They did having a character who's deaf and they have done virtually nothing with it What of the potential of this show having instead of what it is being kingpin raising someone from very young to being his like protege like Even well, you could still do that. In fact, you could have more in that than you've had in this Could you imagine if they would have been so bold as to have No sounds throughout the whole show at all that everything is communicated through visuals Uh, and you know what free it's funny because these are the kind of people that could pull this off They can float a show that is but if you you know, like how unsuccessful this has been and how unsuccessful A lot of the shows have been it's like you can actually swallow that as a uh You know like phase four when they release and all their big avengers stuff It's like I could totally see the board mean we're just like can we put out this show? It's not going to do well and uh, but we'll work our asses off and I think it'll be really important Especially as the first show ever that has like zero Heroble dialogue. It's like that's that's fucking radical and it's like yeah, and we'll we'll lose money on it But man, it'll be a really fucking cool project. Yes, cola labels facing the camera, of course But it's just because every time whenever you get the essentially just when the sound cuts out it always comes across as incredibly arbitrary Yeah, and just nothing new like like there's plenty of things that do it like that Well, yeah, it's I mean, you know, it's a it's the thing often right when someone gets a gun fight next to their ear They do the the thing that they would do When they cut out the sound It's just that there's nothing interesting about the way that this is made. It's all very Standard bog standard like Marvel It's been so long since we've had one of our dinners like you just have us tell it. It's like, oh, we always did this This is stuff. We always did this our history You know, it wasn't it interesting how it's history that we we share And again if we had five episodes and then one per era of her life growing up with him and just the The way he twisted her into like an assassin or something But yeah, that'd have been cool But oh well, because I mean there is a lack of confidence here that they don't believe the character can stand on her own As they've written her she can't um That's the second time you've done that. Yeah, but like i'm not doing it on purpose It would be funnier if they wear on purpose Normal I'm just saying no, I just saying like you know, they they they have to essentially The character doesn't get to exist in her own story. It's like well, there's daredevil. Oh, yeah, you remember daredevil There's kingpin. Oh boy. There's hawkeye. Oh my goodness Like that's so little faith that they could uh that they could do anything with this character I can believe that sign language technology, but not if it's a not if it's a Uh an eyeball what's it called a contact lens, you know, like if it was a like a pair of glasses She wore I'd be like, okay, I can buy that. Well, it's weird. It's only in one eye So shouldn't it be coming through if she has both her eyes open. It's like yeah They did the thing where they don't I don't even think they drank anything. Oh we halfway through the episode already. Okay The wine and then they open the chest Oh, it's a Tucker didn't even drink any this is seriously incredible for having nothing happen because all that happen is oh you sabotage one of our operations Hey, come on. Come on back to new york. Yeah, that's basically all that's happened In this story and now we're gonna get here summarizing the point of that meal So we may not have mail as well. Not. I had it Ending me queenpib Okay, that was the plan all the fucking time was probably for you to get a whole bunch of shit from him And then you did this whole middleman thing where you shot him in the eye Which makes me wonder which has no consequences Why didn't you just stick with him and then have it all you're not a good person Wait, wait, did the police not come and notice the bodies in the blood. Oh, he's cleaning it all up What's he gonna do with the courses? What? Eat them. So wait, fisk just didn't kill this guy. He killed everyone else What did he do when uh, yeah, but what what what about when king pin was in jail for a while? Remember because king pin was in jail for a while His operation was essentially done and he had to rebuild it So wasn't that his time to get out and what happened during the snap I guess he was around then Oh, okay, that's the end of that. Uh, this is a very very dull actress Look, we're running out of episode already. So we gotta keep going Oh, she's gonna play the game and then I'll get a flashback And then she's gonna push someone too hard and then she's gonna run away because oh no My powers came back and everyone's gonna go what the fuck's wrong with her I don't think we have time for that We gotta be doing the whole like we're about to have a finale like we're gonna set up the finale, right? Well, we got a setup given a like whatever our powers are which I guess is just being stronger I guess that's it. Oh, so is she like part of that whole no everyone in the post office does that? Okay, wait So does it happen at random? I guess it happens at random It seems like it's always random. What was the alien stuff as well Those are like the mythology gods of the Choctaw people Which I guess are real in this universe. So add another pantheon to the list Well, yeah, because marvel has a bunch of different like Religions that that exist in mythologies that exist. Yeah, the gods of which all meet up in the city of gods Wow he cut into the grass and then we could see okay But um, maybe it's like skyrim or like elder scrolls where there's like different heavens Like you have sovereign guard if you're a nor did you die? There are multiple heavens because it's like That was wherever our moon night went to wherever rocket went. Yeah, there was each heaven There's a little raccoon heaven. Oh, and also the uh, the uh, the the plane the one um, the the Wakanda one. Yeah Oh, yeah, we get to be a panther You just die What if atheists reincarnate they just get to do it over and over again until they find a religion Then they get to go somewhere else and they go to that one. What's that on your What's like that vest thing? What's that straps for? What does it hold? Oh, this is very dramatic made up. This is really dramatic. Who is this again? Who her is this like is this her grandmother? What are the what's no, I get I know you mean rags. I don't know what it holds What does she have as her weapon typically? Her Is the power of people or punches him. Is it a uh, is it just is it just there? Is it just stuff like that little belt thing? Yeah, like one of those stupid accessories that a video game character has for no reason Put it on just because it feels a slot It's like belts randomly on your arms or gauntlets or whatever Wow, cheap. Will they eat a single one? Let's find out. I don't I don't think so Do you have Shasta? Yeah, normal or not. Are you thirsty? Yeah, people still drink even when things are mobile Because I'd be like, yeah, I'll take a I'll take a soda You know, I don't I guess over in Oklahoma. They call it pop, which I don't think they do I thought that was more of a northering thing, but maybe she is from the north, you know We call it soda here I remember seeing a thing It was like a a thing on twitter that had a map of america showing what people call it in different places Pop was yeah the midwest so I guess if it's midway, yeah, I suppose they might call it pop there. Yeah This is Oklahoma, right? That's not me west. That's Maybe I don't know depends where she's from potentially But they just seem strange. Why why is this happening now? Why is this never happened at any point prior in a Oh How long has it been happening? Since she okay, so it's just been happening when she came back here Let's see if she describes it reasonably to another person. Well, hasn't she been seeing the same thing? So Yeah, that's right. So they'll be like, oh my goodness. We're part of the When you say that you have a vision and you describe it as I saw trees as like, it's not really helpful That's pretty Were they like a weird color or something or were you just thinking about a forest? What you're talking about. They like descendants of the gods then or something, isn't it? I guess so Yeah, so it's a grandmother. Yeah, okay grand mother. Oh big old exposition time And I died of blood loss in the forest wait, sorry white hospital is in Hospital that white people made people I guess like the white man's hospital. I think that's a little bit fringe, but all right parents are kind of Yeah, your parents are kind of dicks. Well, like why do you feel the need to mention that? You have to leave the is this a thing where it's like we left the white people's medicine We did our own medicine and it worked. Yeah, it's better to go out into the woods and die Well, the gods will take care of it If you give birth at a white man's hospital, you die. Yeah Jesus was like, I'll help you and they're like, you know, is this what is this what pregnancies? This looks fucking amazing. They always describe it as a big old experience life changing. Yeah I'm gonna ask mom what it was like. Did you see a cave in trees? At a cave collapsing, I guess it depends on your religion if you're a christian you might see some just juvas walking around Maybe I don't know what any of this means. What's the symbology supposed to represent? They will help you like whenever you need them. So that will explain I guess why they would ever get the powers whenever like something bad's about to happen So why didn't they turn up in the previous episode? I don't know It was several times where she was close to death and had been kidnapped. So I don't know Maybe she needs the story explained before she can call upon them You're gonna you're just gonna drop that fucking baby like a giraffe I just like that. Are you sure you don't want to go back to the white bad hospital? I don't know like You're standing in the woods under a waterfall. I don't even know why you're wearing that thing at this point Oh, it's like a rebel moon in the white hospital I like how she started talking and then went back to not speaking aloud because we needed it presented that way for the Exposition dump. How did you discover she was a healer? When did how did that come about that you discovered this? Well in rebel moon it was because there was so much war that a healer was born So maybe this works the same here once you have enough war as a healer Oh, well, you're not gonna get as many of those in the modern world Well, that's about you definition of war at that point, right? Perhaps two children fighting over a toy truck is war Maybe the war was there. It's such an intense You know No, I didn't so you father, no, but wait I We're devoting so much time to this but I don't give a shit We've gotten such little time. It's so little investment. The writing is so bad that none of this hits. None of it is worth anything The last two episodes have had nothing to do with this This was a thing that they set up in the first 10 minutes of episode one and now we're coming back to it Like there's some resolution, but there's nothing They didn't talk to each other and then they had a conversation and they're resolving their conflict She said you abandoned me and then she's like, yeah because you reminded me so much of was it her or her own daughter And it's like that's a really shit reason to abandon her. Yeah, so still so she's right. You still did Yeah, you already mentioned that Yeah, this is this is fair to reaffirm. She's not answered that yet. Like you abandoned me as a child I guess she's just saying like, yeah, I fucked up Yeah, okay, she didn't go nothing. Well, we we need to okay, so we're gonna resolve the conflict next episode then, right? Yeah, it feels weird though for her to be very morally grandstandy when she's such an asshole Your goal is you're trying to take over a criminal empire, right? Like let's chill out here What was that shot where she was just like, well Well, I guess that that went like What are we about to see here? Is this like the costume or something? Why would they be like a hero costume for her though? Because there's always a hero costume in the finale of every single disney plus marvel show ever Every time except for moon night. I guess They did that in the first one. Which episode of moon night did they reveal moon girl? Uh, that was the finale. Yeah, I guess that counts. Yeah, that counts. Yeah, but it's every single show One division she got the suit in the finale falcon the winter soldier got the suit in the finale I guess Loki didn't get a new suit He did get a new suit in the finale season two That that like yes, that's true. Miss marvel got her suit in the finale. Uh, yeah, we got moon girl in the finale of moon night Uh, I guess she hold got hers a little bit earlier like episode eight or something You know Close enough. It's just so funny how predictable the formula is you should lying king. Yeah, do we see him last episode? And all the dog I don't mean we're so jacked Yeah, I assume he's okay Hope so he's gonna come in in the finale and help save them The funny thing is I'm like the credits could be at any second now because of how fucking long Well, we're playing the music here. So I imagine this scene's gonna last a little while But what's gonna happen that's gonna be dramatic at the end, you know Do a bat woman get hit by a truck while you're on the motorbike would be great I guess there was there's actually a stop sign which seems odd that there's one there But I was looking just to make sure it's the same to not you think that the stop sign would be going the other way But oh, you're right. She really is making her fucking avengers outfit So that she can what why I don't know what to do what because like she hasn't we haven't seen any of her like power powers But I'm guessing yeah the next episode we're gonna be getting some power powers Like actually crazy magic shit that involves something to do with the ancestors arriving when she needs them because she hasn't needed them Which is very convenient Oh god, what are we doing now? She's coming to kill kingpin again. No way she can shoot him in the head again. He's got another eye I just mean like they can't they they even they would be embarrassed to do that Oh, Vincent Just get out of here Run. Oh the patch is back. I suspect you've come to kill me. Did the gun give it away? Again I said again Look at this lovely horsey. Have you come to destroy me? Look turtle shells Don't make us say that he came Oh, did you wear the contact lenses I gave you the magic ones? Oh, yeah, I guess she's still she'll have that forever now or something That's about a tracker in it though Ah You knew what you were part of at every turn. That's actually a good point. Well. Yeah, of course. Yeah Yeah, she's the terrible horrible horse because I haven't seen hawkeye, but they're criminal for ages Yeah, even we've gathered that she's an asshole. So yeah, you isolated me isn't really a good response How is it a lie? You got them Wow, that doesn't Wow, that's weird. Why would they try to say that that he doesn't actually care about it really care that much? I know now that I failed you the same as my father failed me. No, don't come on. Don't you're not doing it I don't get it. So so you can't make this work because all the shitties done to try and get like Normal kingpin would have just killed it by now unless of course he really does care about it But now they're trying to tell us like no kind of though. He doesn't though. You're like, what can you settle? It's something that I want Bath on to you that could be a trap. Oh, well, okay. I guess it isn't Uh, excuse me. Are you serious and no come on That's right. It's like hammer that he kills dad with They're having it. They're just stealing shit from daredevil. That's all this is It is actually stealing like this is theft of payoffs to try and stitch it onto your own shit Why aren't you why do you have that expression? You're a killer. You're a career criminal killer lady here For yourself God A man chooses to allow himself to be beaten to death with the hammer that he used to kill his dad Yeah, by the way, it doesn't care about it. Don't buy it at all. They cut they play in both sides of this stupid Shit while stealing payoffs from other people. It's just the lamest crap Of course not why the hell would they have it kill him again? He signed the circle what happens if he's signing it while speaking it and the signing thing is happening Is that getting confusing? There's a sign as well. I assume that the sign thing doesn't care what his arms do Exactly. Well, if you have multiple signings at the same time, she's not going to know what he's saying and then It'll cause confusion. She'll have to kill him. Okay episode. You can end now. Yeah, come on. Let's wrap it up Uh, yeah, this is quite empty and Oh, yeah, I mean, what do we gain from this other than um, king pin is like so we chill and she's like, hmm That's that's the episode What are these? Fuck off. What did I want us to think? Me and my dad. We had fun I did a lot of killing for him But really to be fair, you know, really He made me Wait, she said I love you to him. Damn. I've not felt their connection whatsoever at this show, by the way Definitely not. He's trying. Um Don't worry a bit like I just I'm sorry. She's leaving tamaha. Where's Vanessa? We don't talk about her probably even wrong for you But bullseye was set to come back after season three. Yes at the end of season three He was getting an operation on a spine But uh, now it would have been like what six seven years since that no more than that I think it's close to a decade in the mcu timeline since that happened I guess he's just been chilling out removing the patch again He was in the eye Oh, okay I'm gonna push the door Wow another epic episode of echo I mean it's starting to become very obvious why they released this all at once it just There's nothing in it at all. You wouldn't remember what happened if it was week by week You just would you just forget it's so short and nothing happens You'd start an episode and wonder what the hell happened. I don't understand how it can be this hollow though I don't get it. How can it be this bad? The episode we just watched there's so little substance She like what if sort of friend asked me like what if I missed if they they walked out of the room for that episode I'd be like she's conflicted as to whether or not she wants to be aligned with kingpin. That's it That's essentially the gist of the last four episodes And then of course it'd be like why oh, I don't know. I'm not sure It kind of doesn't she's also struggling with the protagonist's Values versus her how she's written so she's she doesn't like that. She's killed people kind of maybe but now you have to account for people She's killed years and years She she set about the path of trying to take over the empire and then it's like to what end Why does she want to be in charge because we know nothing about any of this stuff? We can't use any of it I think it was bizarre for her to bring up that he never cared to learn sign language. That's like writing wise That's fucking bizarre Well, especially when you show scenes where he did if you ask me is like Does the show believe that kingpin cares about her and if you could put it on a scale of zero to 10 What would it be? I feel like I mean you're looking like a nine, right? Like it's high He was actually willing to let her beat him to death and that she shot him in the fucking head and he's like Please don't leave me Yeah, exactly. I don't even understand how it could be. Well, they'd be like, uh, no, but it's a warped sense of caring You know, you might be able to get away with that, right? You could write it sort of that way But at the same time it's like but he does care about it. What was the thing we came across this with before Oh, dude, it's like efap. It's like efap three Yeah, it was like efap two, I think rags if you remember we covered a video that said uh, Thanos absolutely cannot love gamora because he's abusive That was the guy who wrote aliens. Correct. Um, and we had to talk about how Love is not some pure amazing altruistic wonderful thing all the time But there's plenty versions of it that are toxic as hell and the the idea that he was an asshole to people That means like you can't have experienced love for another person It's like I mean and that's the thing if you ask me does kingpin love her I'd be like Uh, I mean it seems like that's what we've been told and it says yeah, but he's abusive Especially compared to the way that he treats other people Um, if you know if if the netflix shows are supposed to be canon He is going above and beyond in terms of giving her like an infinite number of chances I mean, she'll slot in perfectly with all the horrific terrible horrible people who still Somehow just kind of get to get away with it. The thing is though this show understands It recognizes rags that she's a morally gray Once so morally gray what I guess we conclude there is this we've got a head full of things But they just don't connect at all and they're so little compared to like how long we've spent I mean, yeah, five episodes. It's not again. It's this is longer than a film This is longer than I think it's about longer because the episodes are still shorter than an average hour long television show But it's not a small amount of time that's been spent 30 minutes an episode then plus this whole ensemble and what could you say If you ask someone who watched the show, what do you think that they could say about anybody? Let alone like her but any of the other characters that are in this story Like her friend that was there for that one episode. Oh bonnie Yeah, the lady that I don't even know if we'll see again. I have no idea That's the kind of show we've got like what what is the ending to this show? She's gonna be like, you know what kingpin? I ain't joining you and you know what? I don't need to be a queenpin either. That'd be my guess. Yeah, it'll be like I don't need this I'm me and I'm cool and then kingpin gets angry and he's like I can't believe you've betrayed me I'm gonna get you hear all my guys with all their guns and then it'll be like, you know what? I'm gonna let you go because I got bigger. No, no, she'll do magic stuff We'll do magic stuff with her ancestors and she'll be him. Oh, yeah What I'm saying is that the post credit scene will be now let her go on her own adventures Daredevil was born again and I gotta stop him And then kingpin will return and daredevil born again Coming at some point because they haven't started shooting again because they're in theory because they know they've got so few cards to play They've bird a thousand of them previously. They're like, are we birding this one too? It's like, yeah, maybe I don't know It seems like Daredevil is still in play as a thing that they they have that she hope Kind of like that doesn't get counted in a way and this doesn't get counted because he's such a small part of it Kingpin it feels like they're kind of burning him a bit But it feels like daredevil is still there, but but you know, we're still left to come out which was weird The first episode was really really weird. Well, yeah, and then plus they've got that big I mean the fact that they had him like CGI jumping to his feet there When When daredevil is notable for its really cool stunts and action that is practical It's just crazy to think that with much less of a budget in season three They have like a 14 minute long one take there was one take not with like the sneaky transitions But they actually shot the whole thing from beginning to end with a massive amount of choreography and timing and preparation And they had like they had way less money. They had way less money to do it meanwhile here What what just pass it along to the guys in the CGI dungeon that'll get it done for us. Yeah, they'll do it We want to go home. It's it's 5 30, you know That's I want to go I want to go home too. We can go home. We just watched this last one What also happens to be the shortest episode I think almost oh wow Oh the shortest 34 minutes. So it's actually about 25 minutes. Yep 25 minute finale. Why not nothing but excitement Oh, I'm sure this would be a riveting finale crazy because uh, you know As long as they nail it with house of the dragon season two like when that last episode comes around world and be like Please please They keep showing the same events because barely anything actually happened. They don't have much to show I mean, it looks like the whole season is just here going from being possibly a bad guy to a good guy That's just gonna be it, right? Which by the way is like, well, what's wrong with that? It's like actually nothing is wrong with that as the core concept for a whole season But I mean, you know, you assume you've gotten this far. You see what this is I don't believe that actually like here's the hammer from dead evil Isn't it funny though? They beat me to death with it to have a catalyst for change And to make a character go from x to y it's like what have they done? Like not not really anything. She's had some weird visions and she feels the grandmother is responsible for not having taken her away from A criminal dad and the kingpin is responsible for why she's killed people Do you see where i'm going with this? Feels like there needs to be a bit of a reckoning of wow, you know what I made my choices Well, I don't think we're going to get it because I don't think so No, what i'm saying is that that's what should be as a part of this, but it won't be well But she made her own choices and now she's got to make the right choice Yeah, like you can't it's not kingpin's fault. It's not your grandmother's fault It's not everyone in the world who failed use fault. It's not hawkeye's fault Whoever the fuck else is going to be involved. It's not even your dad's fault You have the power to make your own path, you know, that's something more empowering than the bullshit They're gonna give us Oh, the woodpecker finally. What's he up to? He's back. He's being off on his little adventure Show us what things you've learned Couldn't just film a woodpecker like yeah, there's no you can't just wait. What the fuck What are you doing? You're a fucker. Wow Fuck you fucking piece of shit. Fuck you. So she's uh, she's a serial killer. Cool We've got that going for it. Yeah, this is how it starts Hey mama killed a bird. Yeah. Why is it hurt? It's all right. Oh, I found it. It fell Why is she like a little psycho? What the hell? God So fucking cg just show us less of it. You broke my back you fuck Oh, you little psycho. Did you hurt it like you hurt the other animals? I didn't mean to hurt it You used to What? You sling shot with a or with a stone. I just wanted to see if I could hit it I did want to hurt it. What the fuck? Why didn't you try and hit something that wasn't alive? Apologize to her. Apologize to him. See she had a mom's influence, but it didn't seem to be much did it? Her mom doesn't seem very upset. Not really. It's just like don't oh don't do that I know if I would have like went around hurting animals, my parents would have been what the fuck Oh, my parents would have been pretty fucking scared if I was torturing animals Oh, no, you're one of those children. It's like the serial killer thing like oh fuck Are you gonna cut our throats in her sleep? Birds have hollow bones. So if they get broken It's basically a death sentence. Birds are pretty fragile. They're very fragile. That's why they can fly Oh, is she using magic magic powers to heal it? Instead of having problems with their decisions, you're using magic in front of your kid Can you do this with people? Can you save people? Yeah, so she's never used like this has never been public knowledge So they never use this to help people I guess not damn Well, I guess because the grandmother said she was a healer So maybe she was like a doctor or something, but you should probably share How would that not be she would be famous? She would be needed to You would figure especially if she even if she glows and could just show it's like yeah Look, I glow and then like they're fine. We are five minutes in And what do we discover that? And all that's happened is that when she was a kid she wounded animals just because I'm using her glow powers to heal the bird It's so bad too. It's like I didn't I wasn't trying to hurt it. I just wanted to hit it It's like oh Like what do you think happens when you hit it? Not even just that it's like, why did you want to hit the creature? So the mother wasn't upset and she fixed it with magic. So I don't know how that So that doesn't like mean it much. There's no consequences. No impact. Also, I didn't see Charlie Cox credit So like I said, I think I think he's not in this season except for that one fight I was about to say it's a good thing that charlie's uh It's bad. Yeah, and I mean he was only for five minutes and the character got damaged He ran away like a little coward which made no sense. He was winning man. I can't wait to see her and Will she turn up again? Who knows? Um, maybe she'll show up for one episode of Daredevil and then that might be it or maybe she'll show up in Avengers Five writing credits. Let's see what they got us. Oh, wow. Yeah, we can waste a scene here I'm building a super suit and he just super so uh Oh He's gonna go get it because he's already fixed it up or something Or did it not get sold? It's like a pawn shop and it never got sold or I remember he really likes this So he's probably like I held on to it and fixed it perfectly. Now. It's golden and shiny In the back. He has like 17 other things that she brought in Just hoping on the off chance and he's like, yes, she finally came back for one Running out of episode. I wonder can you say? Let me help you. Can you say things like I'm gonna use my credit card to pay for my netflix account and chakta Is that possible? Can you are there people who add modern words to the Chakta language like they do at the vatican for latin? You signed? I tried for my niece. You don't try at all. You've never tried. You liar I keep it up now for my granddaughter. Well, tell me about her. Oh Really? Who's who's that? Oh Wait, is this a coincidence? Yeah, he's looking he's looking for uh, and he bumped into the one person in this fucking town It was a little bit of research. He knew to be yeah Why did he seem surprised then what he would she was saying that? But he would have known for the beginning that it was her that's why he came here Well, he knows this area. I assume. I don't know if he knows who that is That seemed completely candid that he was helping to pick stuff up and then they started talking about their family members It wasn't that I figured that he did it on purpose. He's like, ah, what a klutz. I am anyway. I like how we don't know Well, no, he she she hit someone else And then he came and helped her yeah the kid Yeah Pretty sure that was he's just there looking for her and bumped into the one person that would be able to direct it Oh, I love this place. Have you been to restaurant? Well, it said rocks on restaurant because rocks on Yeah, you probably want to get rid of that pretty quick actually. There's probably a tracker in it No, apparently dawg because he didn't know what she was Oh, I'm guessing the big final action scene is going to happen here that actually would be incredibly useful to just have Oh my god, that's a bad guy biscuits. Fuck him up Oh Hey, there he is. He's got a vest on if you're a bender though. They should have given you a little snot Biscuits a push over dog. Yes. Yeah doing it. He would have been like, no, you're not coming in here, buddy Good job biscuits. You're really doing a good job there He had one job. I mean, he's been kind of pathetic throughout the whole season So you put biscuits at a lot of danger by the way, and he banged up your grandma's truck Oh Here for revenge. Yeah Yeah The woodpeckers never forget And it's like the cat in hail house would be awful if something was thrown at you Oh, maybe bonnie will show up soon. Oh my goodness drama We'll get the team together Biscuit seems like the kind of person who texts using proper punctuation and grammar Everyone texts the same in this show. Well, everyone everybody in the show texts No one actually like people tend to which is not perfectly often not capitalizing Which is uh societal flaw, of course But biscuits I feel like would text differently than somebody else who would be texting be kind of funny to you know Maybe they're still here at home and I can point my gun at them And she gotta find the the costume and then put it on anyway before she goes on our her adventure Oh, we we're getting close to halfway show hurry up So there she is running out of time. She's actually gonna waste time. Oh, no, it's a ruse. Oh wait, that's a money Oh, okay, I don't want bonnie. Is this like a vision then I guess so I assume so because her mother's dead, right? That's when that stopped him. Yeah Hurting people. Yes. You've been hurting a lot of people and birds. Oh, she's healing her Or something all your pain. I'm gonna heal your heart. Yeah. Okay. Usually this would be an episode five But I oh, I mean episode five of six not five of five They have to be very efficient now because they have not given themselves much. They echo. Oh my goodness. I mean, yeah, that's pretty obvious Wow Oh my god echo proper now. I don't even know what that means. But yes Yeah, let me heal you when you do this before mum. Oh now it's time. I guess you feel people's emotional trauma by touching them Yeah, even when she's dead to soldiers with PTSD and No, this is only for the family members Okay, and the birds but nothing about this season has been actually dealing with this as a point How do you like go past trauma? You come from a long line of very special women Oh disney. Are you implying that this isn't all women? Yeah, that's rude When are we gonna have her acknowledge that she's made horrible choices instead of Oh, all I bring is danger. Why did you come to this town to then launch your attack on kingpin? Yeah trace back to this town if that was something that grandmother's now involved in it and so is bunny Yeah, and that's your fault biscuits. Yeah, and hopefully not the dog Yeah, hopefully he's okay And see the costume is back there. So even though yeah, even though time is of the essence She's cringe stop. It's just wait. This came out of nowhere. It's just like here you go This did come out of nowhere. You're a hero now go on every seam shows that you're a part of uh, We're a part of you. What's going on? I'm just gonna wear clothes normal clothes Why didn't you show up at any other point in her life to try? Yeah, there were way more important times to show up man. Like Once you was killing all those people. Yeah Like are you sure you're doing this is this remember when she almost died in episode three Yeah, I feel like that would have been a good time Honestly, this is kind of random like you should have because you do it was the last episode Come on Where's kingpin? Let's go there and have some navajo taco Oh, I guess there'll be a big fight here and then when she beats the bad guys everybody in the town It'll be like, yeah, woohoo echo. Yeah, I wish we still dressed like this, you know All colorful and vibrant and yeah, these are cool costumes and outfits Are you ready to power? Whoo No, no the evil britishman Imagine the evil man was just actually enjoying all of this and didn't have any jobs to do It's just like this. Just why is Oklahoma shake like that? Why isn't that big jutting out part at the top? Yeah rags the panhandle. Is that what it's called? Yep, it's called the panhandle. Why is uh, why why is that there because it kind of looks like a pan Oh, uh, because why was the land carved up that way? I don't actually know but there is a reason. Um, I think there was there used to be a There used to be a show here that aired on history channel called states got their shapes and it was really interesting Well, yeah, I've seen a few videos talking about because usually it's about bound by rivers Yeah, like rivers and To property lines and Stuff that certain governments could buy latitude, you know, like that it might be Like how the 47th, you know parallel for the u.s. Canadian border You know that someone was like watching us do all of this and that was the first thing they heard They were like, oh, oh, oh, I actually know something about that and that's I mean I'm way more interested in that than any of what's happened so far I mean, I'm more interested in finding out why Oklahoma shape like that now than whatever is gonna like why why would anything happen here like in this You know, it's an odd stretch, right to have a long thin narrow part of that's just Oklahoma Yeah, so if you were driving through it, you know, north or south you could essentially drive through three states And yeah, exactly. But it just seems like you shouldn't be Yeah, just a little peculiarity and so the point whereas it's I mean the fact that it's called the panhandle Is it is already its own kind of like yep, it's unusual and it has its own name The handpanel Do you think they might have consulted with the deaf person to be like, yeah So do you like do you watch the feet or do you watch a certain thing to get the rhythm down? Or do you feel something to feel the vibration of the drums? Like how do you keep the beat, you know, and you could kind of show that with maybe what she's looking at Well, they must have consulted people right for this sign language stuff. So maybe I suppose they haven't conveyed it to I guess the normal people who can hear how they kind of do things I feel like it's just an opportunity that's never well It's kind of like the for the most part pretty much all the chalk top stuff We've done really nothing with it for the most part. It's just sort of we've gotten so far. Yeah, this is it This is easily the most Like it's all rear loaded into the show. Is it gonna be like a rifle? No, I'm sure it's a cooler with beers rags He's a chill Britishman just enjoying the culture. Oh, that's nice Yeah, why would you do it here in such a conspicuous way? Wouldn't you just kill her at her house or something? But kingpin told him he can't so why is he gonna even try again? Everyone's out we're really We're not letting the whatever scene they have for kingpin and her just wasn't that long apparently Because we are filling the rest of the episode with other stuff. Hey, what are you doing? Why are you leaving? I bet a lot of those people aren't really there Oh, look, it's going to be a spiral like the uh, like the saw film No, I like the ackard symbol Oh, yeah could symbol in so do you have a gun or a weapon? Well, that's just casually be like have you got a gun? I got something even better better than a gun his uh, noble dog I mean, is he trained but is that I I feel like I would be like biscuits. What are you referring to? I I actually don't even know a better than a gun for self-defense He doesn't carry one. Oh, he carries but not with one of the chamber. Maybe he has an iron man suit Maybe he's going to hit him with a car. That is a deadly weapon, but I feel like a gun The thing I was going to say is that whatever you have surely a gun in addition is not a negative And if it's a car then certainly and also with all this crowd of people here like a street bullet could kill someone Well, and he's his biscuits. Someone who knows how to use a gun like Somehow I doubt it. It doesn't seem like he's a prop. He's a proper oak if he's a proper oklahoman then I I assume so I think he might be a fake I don't know the lies dramatically guys. Oh, this is going to be a riveting fight in this big empty place where people run up to her Hi Hello there really run on a time show get going. What the fuck are you? What are you wearing? Is this where he's like, are you done deciding yet? Gonna shoot me again and again and again What if she shoots him? She's probably gunning him so many times if you're here to kill him or what is she here to do? Well, I assume she's committing now to no kingpin, but like I As in she must be looking for a family though, then a friend Ah, oh my god, mr. Pin. What have you done? That's Bonnie. No That's grandma. I've got you gotta come you gotta come with me. All right. You still have that contact, right? I'm guessing that maybe they'll do something with that because if he doesn't have anyone here to interpret They're fucked. Yeah, see oh words his words. They're not wait, but wouldn't he assume she still had the contact? You figure. Yeah Oh, okay What's he doing being evil? What's his deal? Is he just standing out here with a gun? Oh, he's spot the britishman freak out, right? They can have a sub boss battle. Yeah, I guess so maybe Yeah, it's a showdown again because of the bowl or the the skating rink You know, you brought this upon yourself and we're not so different you and I I feel like they're stricken from The allowed sentences of the final discussion between the hero and the villain She's saying this but like This has come out of nowhere. She didn't ever come back until just recently It's funny. He's giving it like a million chances But this will be the one where he's not allowed to give her anymore because we're at the end of the season That's why No, the reason Wow She's like, oh, we'll kill him now. Well, I guess he's just evil now. Yeah. Yeah. He's just super evil now. Cool Is there a meaning to just like there's no reason For to have developed this way. It just is this way. Oh, it is a cooler with What? It's a rocket. Why is he going off each? What's going on? Oh, no How can she possibly get out of magic is going to be magic with the ancestors here they come Oh, you're right. It'll be so does that mean all the times that there was the Uh, native american massacres and everything the ancestors just didn't use their magic powers to help Even the several times that she's been in trouble. They haven't helped Wait, what? Oh, it's different now. They're all here. They've been summoned. Wait. Are they actually here? No, they're not But how wait is she actually wearing the extra bit on her outfit? Uh, what's good? Okay. Um Granny power so she can imbue them with power as well They're all part of the same bloodline question mark. All those guys just haven't I guess his bonny. I didn't even realize Oh, I guess he really did mean his car. Well, it's a big monster truck. Yeah, but Like this could have gone so wrong Wow, is he gonna cross them in there? But they're just gonna get out and shoot him with their machine. That's what I mean. Like he might need a Why are they all running up to her? But he's about to just fire an RPG like what the fuck Like it's gta with that silencer It's not gonna it doesn't actually make the gun silent just to be clear everyone's gonna go who the fuck shot a gun Wait, what? What? Um It's like fireworks. Wow. That was the lamest thing I've ever seen. What is that it? Is she now super strong? So what was the guy with the rocket aiming for? Oh now kingpin and her are gonna have a showdown. What the fuck man? Okay, oh god, she's uh, she's really not giving a sense of anything there Yeah, it's like the most it's like the Oh, no, I was gonna hit you but instead I'm gonna heal your heart. What the fuck is happening Oh, I'm gonna heal his eye heal his fucking trauma Um, you don't this isn't yours go away. This doesn't belong to you I don't like this I'm sort of like what they're trying to like it's not it's not that simple It's not that you can use your super magic powers to heal childhood trauma, you know Yeah, you can't what is she gonna say to him? She couldn't possibly understand I have to go save my mom. No, I guess never mind. No. Oh, yeah, let go. Let go. Oh, there you go Yeah, let go. Yeah, your mom's getting beat in the other room. Do you want to go save her? No, just let go shut it out Yeah, he beat up the ice cream guy, I know I promise I was there Because they're trying not to use footage from other shit even though that's where all of this would come from for meaning What she's not said she's given him nothing other than just don't all she's done is say don't Don't go save your mom. That was a mistake. This is what I mean Is that what the show is saying? They don't have the capacity to talk about this. What happened is incredibly complicated He was a child who had an abusive father And then beat him to death with the hammer and then that set him on a path that what did you do? Wait, what? Where he ended up being? Oh, did he leave? Oh, okay. That's what? Sorry, what? She's they're leaving. We just he got he got an editor. It was that editor. Is that all you had? What did you do? Really what the wait? Why are why were the police actually called? I someone hit the gunshot, right? Oh, yeah, that's right. Yes Firework that looked like an rpg What is was there a weird explosion over there? You didn't get fireworks permit. I oh, okay I mean we got like no time left. Is it we got no time? We spent all of it on the random shots of people doing stuff. Yeah, dad. You killed it He's the eternal Symbolic of her ancestry and the positive path forward or something Healed the pain the pain that you caused now. Let him go get out of there woodpecker fly Run away get away from the show Tell the other woodland creatures of her fucking aura. Stay away fly to bellyjack and warn him What if it rains? Do you want to cover that or? The resolution is that she goes into his mind is like, you know that childhood trauma. Just just don't just don't And then he just leaves they put him in his car. He drives off. Just don't that's it. Hey that hammer give it to me Come on. We're reflecting on stuff. Was that a red line that she went over? I don't know that the roads were Just stop just get to the credits. Oh, yeah, they gotta have a fun little picnic together Wait, so all those guys with the submachine guns and the vans. They just stopped existing little flesh like fountain Just poured out of the trucks. Oh, yeah, I guess that means they either died or They don't want to show any more of it because it would cause problems This really is we don't have a story just have a shit ton of b-roll of her on a motorcycle Oh, yeah, this seems like it's entirely skippable even for when she will appear next It won't matter at all, which I guess is maybe she's coming to this, uh, family picnic. Yeah. Wow. That's so great Oh my god Wow, you're here And look the bond with her grandmother has been healed, I guess We almost got killed by the way What the fuck was that magic you gave us if biscuits was here would he get the power or is he too Much of a man to get it and I sure do hope the kingpin doesn't come back with real No, it's fine. I healed him even though I didn't really Even though we know that he'll still be the villain in daredevil That obviously and also because that's silly. Oh, yeah I'll use my magic powers to heal you of your childhood trauma. She didn't though. That was the thing She absolutely did not say or do anything that would have changed him as a person In fact, she may have made it worse making him like relive that shit It'll be that he'll say I've got to get daredevil. I need to I need to channel my childhood trauma into beating him Assembling a team. I don't even know what to say. Like there's just nothing There's nothing in it at the embarrassing little flicks of like payoff that is nothing to do with this show They just stole it from another show. That is crazy. The race for me Our mayor mayor fist turns out most voters want somebody who is a fighter Which works against the career politicians. They want someone who's a fighter. Oh Yeah, mayor fist, which um, that's not not after what happened in daredevil Whatever That's a downright a normal thing to have happen compared to the rest of the fucking events in the stupid world No window of opportunity. That's what the poll is telling us. It could be anybody's great At project now is I'm gonna be mayor of new york. Uh, what? Okay, why not? Then daredevil's got to stop him but new york needs. What an empty show this was Yeah, I mean, what can be said about it? That's it Yeah, but mess and uh, I'm never gonna think about it again Not even close to recommendation. No one's gonna remember this. It'll never be referenced again It's fine into the history of dust it goes this that I have nothing else to say So I can we go now? I think we can go now Bye see everybody bye. Bye. Bye. Bye everyone toodaloo whatever