 To finalize the deal on the 2023 presidency, five agreed governors of the People's Democratic Party, PDP, are reported to be set to meet with the presidential candidate of the All-Progressive Congress, APC, Ashwaju Bola Ahmed Tinobu. The support by G5 for Tinobu is going to be a game changer akin to the declaration of the G6 for the APC in 2014. The group of governors had insisted on their call for the removal of the national chairman of the party, Hiocha Ayu, and emergence of a southern politician as the party's chairman. The group therefore withdrew their support for the presidential candidate of the party, Atiku Abubaka, over his alleged refusal to yield to their demand. And joining us, like we promised, is the PDP of Rada, Honorable Angu Angu, not-central Zonal Coordinator, Atiku Support Organization. Good morning, Honorable, and thanks for joining us. Good morning, Honorable, and thank you for joining us. Same to you. Good morning, Honorable Angu, and thank you for joining us. Okay. We're just wondering how it's going to pan out. Your governor, you are from Benwa State, your governor made a pronouncement, well, let me not call it a pronouncement, he made a statement that if you were not in the People's Democratic Party, he probably would be going around with Peter Obi of the Labor Party to come fast for votes for him. But because he's in the PDP, he cannot do that. Now, how do you think the chances of your principles are still high with all this? Because they're talking APC, they're talking the possibility of Labor Party as well. So any of these people can just pick this 5G. Yeah, 5G. Okay, G5. Oh, the network is entering my head now. The G5 could decide for either the APC or the LP. So how will this pan out? That's great. Thank you very much. Only this is a game, as we all know, and it's a game of interest. The interest, the G5 governor has been expressed in different ways. We did not appreciate that part of the game. I would like to say that at the end of the day, you know, the Peter, the Consulate, the Peter, the Richard, and not what we saw during the World Cup in Qatar, how that it was becoming very clear that the administration was going to win that game. Very sweet picture. So I would like to say that it's fine that G5 governors are expressing dissatisfaction with these and that and that. But I would like to clear the air that one of the contentions of the G5 governors, spearheaded by Excellency News on weekends, and the governor of Benway State, my former principal, and Excellency Samoa Auto, has been that the national chairman of the party should go. I want to say first that it's unconstitutional. There are no laws within the PDP that state that if the presidential candidate of the party is of a particular zone, the chairmanship of that party should go to the next zone. There is nowhere in the constitution of the PDP that states that. And I want to be very, very clear. And to tell Nigeria, Nigeria should not be deceived. There is nowhere in the constitution. And there is no precedent to that. Because even in law, we go on precedent. What is the precedent of a national chairman vacating his position? The precedent we have was the president and the presidential candidate, Umaro Musa Yaratua, was on the note, and the national chairman, Umaro Musa Yaratua, was on the note also from Kodi State. It was after the elections were conducted, and Umaro Musa Yaratua emerged, that a special convention was convened. And Vicent Ogulaf, of blessed memory also, was elected as the national chairman of the PDP. So where is the premise of this agitation of the G5 governors that Senator IU should vacate position, his position as a national chairman? What happens to the other positions within the party? Because the positions are actually rotational between the south and the north. So when we rotate, when is it only the chairmanship position that they are about, or all the other positions should be wrote? Should also be given out. Are they trying to create a constitutional problem for the party? Because in your chair, you vacate this position. So if a constitutional issue, what happens to the other positions? What happens to the vice chairmanship of the party? What happens to the position that has been the position? And they bring out video that you said, if the presidential candidate is from the north, he was going to resign. But he said that with a caveat. And the caveat was that if the party says he should resign. So the party has not said, Dr. Yuchi, you should resign his position. And so far so good. The gentleman has managed the affairs of the party incredibly well. The party is going about his campaigns, presidential rallies. And Nigerians are seeing the superb work he's doing. So I would like to state clearly that the agitations of the G5 governors over the issue of the chairmanship of the party is misplaced. It is highly misplaced. Honourable. Honourable, just a moment. It is also mischievous. Yes, just a moment now. Honourable. The chairman of the party should vacate his position. Because it doesn't have a place in the law that says that if the presidential candidate of the party comes from a particular zone, the chairman should also come. We've heard that. We've heard that honourable. Just a moment, honourable. We've heard that. You've said it so many times here. What are two problems with that? First of all, is that you said in the last time that you were here on the program, I remember vividly, that you said you were very confident that before we get into the election proper, the PDP will do the needful. PDP is reputed for having internal mechanisms that resolve issues. You promised that that was going to happen. But you're not talking like there's any hope in the pipeline that this thing is going to be resolved. It's like, OK, these people are recalcitrant. These people are going against the constitution and all that. Secondly, is that PDP seems not to be respecters of gentleman agreements, whether they are in the constitution or not. Because we were given, the Nigerian people were given the zoning formulas it were by the PDP. And it was written in your constitution as we hear. The zoning formula. But as soon as there was a little bit of pressure, you dumped the zoning thing and took the presidency or the candidacy of the presidency to the not, which should have come to the south. Whatever calculations that you made. But it seemed as if when it comes to what will favor the party or what will not favor the party, you don't think about the Nigerian people. So you jettisoned the zoning and let Atticu become the candidate. And then you have now given up hope of reconciling the G5 with the party itself. So it gives me worry. These two things. I was here. And just like you said, even with what I've said, it doesn't mean that there will be no reconciliation with the PDP G5 governance. And after I came here, our presidential candidate, his excellency Atticu Abobaka was on China's TV. And I think he has the highest powers as a person to resolve this crisis. And he said, look, I have met with Nisom Wike that seemed to be the arrowhead of that group five times. And just like your colleague in the studio said, one of such meetings happened in London. So we have tried. The party have tried. The party have reached out to see that this crisis is resolved. But in the event that it is not resolved, we should be able to speak the truth. And that is, this is meant, speaking the truth here to Nigerians, to disabuse the mind of Nigerians. Now look, it is not that the party is not a respecter of gentleman agreement. The party respects those agreements. But those agreements should be based on the constitution. And if speaking, if going to even gentleman agreement, which part of Nigeria has not produced the presidency of Nigeria? Because one of the agitations is that, okay, Buhari is coming from the north. And it shouldn't, the word now, the candidacy of the other party should not go to the north again. But this is turning logic on its head. Because if we look very well, within the PDP, Northern Nigeria has ruled Nigeria for only two plus years. And that was the turning of Umor Musa Yaradwa, of blessed memory. The South, we had Abbas Angel for eight years, who have good luck at Belajunatan for almost six years. You go into an election to win. You don't go into an election to be in a context. Go into an election to win. You're putting your best foot. And I want to say the PDP has put out his best foot out there in this election by the emergence of His Excellency Atukua Buboka. And I would like to quote Senator Dino Malai. You will not have a messy on your team, a little messy on your team. And you will put him on a bench and feeding other players where he's not injured. Atukua Buboka is like the little messy on the PDP. So we cannot have him fit with all his qualities, capable, and we will put him on a bench to feed in other players. Okay. Let me come in here honourable. So where? I have a line of thought. Honourable, just a minute. If I am to go by your argument, from every statement that you've just made, so where is the place of internal democracy? I mean in the PDP. Because this was an agreement that almost every other part of Nigeria, every individual in the country and other political parties had to abide by this idea of zoning that was brought up by the PDP. And then it got to a time to implement it. Even if the PDP had decided, okay, we're not going to go by this. Isn't it something that should be talked about in the party and come to a general agreement? Because if you're saying, if you decide to use the little messy analogy, then a lot of people would totally disagree because then what happens to other good players in the team? If it had allowed me to finish my line of thought, I would have answered your question. Please go ahead. My line of thought was this. It's this. If Excellency Samua Auto was the chairman of the Zoning Committee, that is part of the internal democracy, internal processes of throwing up a candidate. And it was the same committee headed by a very critical figure within the G5 Governors now headed that committee. And I wish you know the recommendations of that committee. What were the recommendations of those committees? That committee threw open the context of getting a presidential candidate. That was the first process. It threw it open and then look, we are not going to zone it to any part of the country. Every member of the party from any part of the country can go into the context. Why are we not having this conversation? That it was Governor Auto that made that recommendation. He was the chairman of that committee. So why are we not having this conversation? Why do you want to deceive the people all the time? Even as politicians, we should learn to speak the truth. And the truth is, he was the chairman of that committee. He signed the report of that committee and threw the context open. Why is it that after the goal has been scored, you want to change the goal post? To begin to talk about gentlemen's agreement, it was supposed to go to the south and it was supposed to go to the north. That is the least very, very dubious. Honourable, we are back to you now. When you were talking about honouring the agreements, and you said, agreements need to be honoured, but it has to be something that isn't the constitution. And I am not a PDP member. You come to me and you campaign and you give me promises. You give me... We have an agreement with you when you are voted into power. You're going to do XYZ and this is not in your constitution. How am I as a Nigerian supposed to trust you that you can keep to the promise that you made without writing down and signing an agreement? Honourable, are you there? Yes. We all remember the public approvals of the years of plenty and the local years of the ABC we are facing now. The PDP years were the years of plenty. The PDP years were the years of abundance. And it would be no different that one of the vice-presidents our candidates now is Excellency Artukawa Boboka, was the vice-president under the Obasanjo regime and was a regime where Nigerians experienced economic boom. The telecommunication we are enjoying today, the privatisation of industries that took place and opened up Nigeria for many investors to come in, that the economy was under this man. And he proved himself to be formidable, to have capacity, to have what it takes to get Nigeria working. And it is what we have still happened given the opportunity. We replicate some of the success and they wouldn't take it inches higher when giving opportunity. So some of those things, each party has a blow point. Presently we have a five-point agenda, a recovery plan maybe I will send you a copy and that will be the framework, that will be the work plan, that will be the roadmap to recover this country. That is if you are voted into power but how can we trust you to even vote you into power as a party? That's what I'm asking you because even if you talk about the Obasanjo years, the same Obasanjo doesn't even trust your principles. What is your premise for talking about trust? What is the premise about this trust quest on your accent? And what promise are you promising your quest on if Nigerians should trust us if they don't sign any agreement with us? The covenant, the order of office is an agreement already. The order of office public official has taken, it's an agreement or a covenant with Nigerians already. So what is the promise of Nigerians trusting the PDP to vote them into power or not? Because the PDP are not being Nigeria. The people are watching, honourable and this back and forth with the G5 has lingered, it has gone on for so long. The G5 are being dubious, they are not being consistent. That group is not being consistent with their agitations. Next time they will say that Ayuda should go. Next time they hear them speaking to enemies they don't want me to get the vice presidential candidate. Next time they will say it was Tamberwa, His Excellency Governor Minu Tamberwa that sold out for a week and a half to get the presidential ticket. They keep changing the goalposts. So for truth, we don't really, really know what they want. Yeah, but I don't know if PDP knows what they want because you mentioned also that Tom was the chairman of that zoning committee and they were the ones that jettisoned the zoning thing and if there was a mistake, that was a mistake. So are you saying they made a mistake, the PDP saw the mistake, they ran with the mistake, now even if they have repented so to speak and said they are coming back you have decided to run with the mistake. It wasn't a mistake, that wasn't a mistake. My sister in the studio said look, what are the internal democratic processes that were put in place? And I said look, that committee was set up where consistent, where represented. He was not the only person in that committee. Governor Puru Puru the governor of Nugust state was part of that committee and several other statesmen were part of that committee. So it wasn't just his own brain child. Just where the internal mechanisms put in place to make sure the election ran public. So it wasn't a mistake because if it were a mistake it would have been corrected at that point and I said he was the chairman of that committee. So I want to clarify here very clearly that that committee wasn't a mistake. Its job was done properly. Its job was done extensively to ensure that the party comes out with a presidential candidate that is generally accepted by all. And like I said on other platforms if these people have personal grudges with his excellent certificate they should go and settle those personal grudges and don't make it not elevate personal grudges to state affairs. His excellent certificate should be a good sportsman, should be a good loser. Not after losing the primaries is about here and there causing trouble for the party. We don't see that in the APC. We don't see that in other parties that run presidential primaries. Why is the state different? It should be a good loser and after now that's what I call it very dubious they are making it look like it is a southern Algerian, a northern Algerian thing which is not. It is their personal ambitions that are portrayed. Now you're making it look like you're making it look like it is a northern Algerian, a southern Algerian thing. It is unacceptable. Honourable, just a moment. You don't sink the ship because we are young people coming up within the party. This is the party that made them whatever they are in life. Interesting. How many things they have within this party that made them to become gopnos or whatever they are today. So why must they sink the ship of this party? Because their interests are not protected. You mustn't always win. Nigerians should know this. Honourable. Honourable. Honourable, just a moment. Honourable. This is southern Nigeria and a northern Algerian thing. The APC government has privatised this country enough and the nepotism of the present APC government has divided this country enough not for us to begin to talk about southern Nigeria and northern Nigeria within the PDP We should be close around. We should be close around to build a great nation not to divide this country. I'm glad you're talking about coming together to build the nation. You alluded to the messy Argentina, all that. Argentina was beaten by like the smallest team in the World Cup but they came back and then they won the World Cup and you know what? The captain said it was because of teamwork. This teamwork we're not finding in PDP as far as a lot of us are concerned. What if some members of the team don't want to be part of the team? We have also seen... They would lose if some members don't want to be part of the team. Hello sir. We were here when Christian Ronaldo did not want to be part of the Portugal team. What happened? He was put on the bench. And a young man that came for him to replace him on the field. How many goals did he give the country? But they lost. At the end of the day they lost. That's not what I'm saying. But in that particular game he was put on the bench. What happened? The young man that replaced him gave that country two solid goals. All right. So what are we talking about? These members of the team are not ready to be part of the team. You have to move. The post has to go and leave them. All right. Honorable because we're almost out of time we're trying to move forward now. What is it looking like for the PDP? The G5 are threatened to pitch their support behind any other of the presidential candidates of any other of the political parties. And let us assume that we are already in January and this the G5 goes ahead to support someone else. What is the PDP putting in place to help them chest that pressure when it comes? And what is it going to look like? What is the fate of the G5 Governors if they go ahead to take such a decision and act on it quickly because we're rounding off now? Thank you very much. I would like to remind Nigerians that Nigerians should go out there and vote their conscience. And I would also like to stage that the electoral act does take away the powers of state governors to begin to act like food animals. One of the days where you can sit somewhere and write elections or allocate votes to people. The leaders, the bimodia voting system makes it impossible for you to sit down somewhere and write votes and allocate votes how you want. So the people are going to vote their conscience. We see what is happening in the reverse. We see what is happening all over the country. Even in the state of this G5 Governors and TIKU is excellent at TIKU Ababaka and the PDP is solid on ground. So the G5 Governors it is within their personal rights to decide to support a particular candidate. Within their personal rights. Nobody takes that right away from them. But I always state clearly that the people are going to vote their conscience. Even though the Governors have one single vote to vote on that day with their followers. I understand they have influence and what they are doing to the PDP is to give the PDP a wrong perception. That the PDP does not respect the South. But I want to say they are being dubious they are being mischievous with such narratives that they are pushing. They should be able to tell the people the truth. So the people are going to vote their conscience. And not the Governor is sitting on votes the way they just say that I am sitting on votes. Nobody is sitting on any votes anywhere. The people are going to vote their conscience. The people are going to vote leaders that are going to represent them well. And the Enlightenment right now is so much among the people. The political Enlightenment the people are becoming more enlightened than they are not going to be winked by any false narrative. And Nigerians are not going to be pitched against themselves to begin to fight themselves. The people are going to vote their conscience. The people are going to vote leaders that we bring them so close. What do people need? They need good roads. They need electricity. They need their children to go to the best public schools around. They need access to health facilities. That is what the people are demanding for. It's not much. They are not asking for help. They are not asking for help. They are not asking for help. It's not much. They are not asking for a house in Vienna and they are not asking for a house in New York. That is not what Nigerians are asking for. Nigerians are asking for basic dividends of democracy. Basic infrastructure so that they can live a good life. They are sick. They should go to the hospital. So I would like to say that the electoral act is as imperfect as it is but at least it's the right step in the right direction. Because give it to the APC government for signing the act into law it gives the power back to the electorate. Okay. Honourable. Thank you very much. At this point we'll just wish the PDP good luck and also admonish that issue. That is what we expect from you guys. Yes. But we'll give you advice for free that if you watch the movie 300 the people in the army was not supposed to be defeated by anybody. It is only because of a cripple that they underrated. One cripple that they underrated that made that army fall. So we are hoping that you won't underrate anybody because of whether they are selfish or not selfish so that you go into the 2023 election as a united front. So we wish you good luck and may the best man win. Thank you. Okay. We've been talking with Honourable Angu Angu not Central Zonal Coordinator of Atiku Support Organization and he has been telling us what is happening in the party and he's confident that they are going to win. Well, like we said may the best man win. We're taking a short break now to bring you the news and after that we'll conclude the program. Stay with us.