 Good evening, good afternoon, good afternoon. There's this topic of this eternal security. Once I've always say that one of the things that comes up often is when we discuss are there any examples of anybody in the Bible that has ever been saved and then lost it? Because if you believe that you can lose your salvation, well then certainly the Bible would attest to it by at least giving some examples. It's hard to think of something in the Bible that is true, that there's no examples of it being true. And so in this issue or in this discussion, I wanna look at four names that come up, really five but four, because when we say Ananias, oftentimes we're gonna go ahead and just put his wife in there. So there are four names that come up as to possibly having been saved. There's a few others, but I don't think there's any basis for that, that being Saul, Judas, Ananias, and also his wife, and then Demas. Other times people might say well maybe Peter, because Peter had a, they'll say that Peter had a demon. Well Peter never did have a demon, and so for some strange reason they might throw his name in there, but these are typically the four names that you are going to hear. So that being the case, now obviously you already know my stance. My stance is that no, you cannot lose your salvation and I've already stated that there are no examples of anyone ever in the Bible having salvation and then losing. There's no one who once had it, who especially someone who had the Holy Spirit and then lost it. So that being the case, let's start off and look at some examples. We're gonna start off first by dealing with Judas, because after all Judas was a disciple. Judas was a disciple of Jesus and so if there's somebody that might be saved, people are gonna say that Judas was one. Now again, I don't think Judas was saved and here are the reasons why, but let's just go ahead and give it the attention that it's probably deserved. So let's first start off by going to John 637 because the reason why Judas comes up is because when you go to this passage, people will say, well, that passage is not what it says it means or what it looks like it means. So let's go to it, John 637. He says, all that the Father gives to me will come to me and the one who comes to me, I will by no means cast out. And so does that also include someone like a Judas? Well, yeah, it would include Judas. The question is, was Judas given? That's the question because according to this passage, all that the Father gives to me will come to me. Well, what about Judas? Was Judas given to Jesus? Was obviously what the question is was Judas saved, but was he given to Jesus? That is the question that Jesus makes a statement for I've come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but to do the will of him who sent me and this is the will of the Father who has sent me that all that he has given me, I shall lose nothing but raise it up in the last day. I don't understand why this isn't enough to me. This passage should be more than enough to confirm that all that the Father has given will come and that he will not lose any. Now, there's going to be some debate as to whether Jesus was the Jesus, whether Judas was actually given or he's only speaking of certain people that were given and this can't be true because Judas was one and Judas was lost. Well, let's go to it and look and see. In this passage, let's go next to John 1712. While I was on the earth, I was keeping them in your name, which you have given me. So he's speaking, now here, he's clearly speaking of the disciples. While I was on this earth, I was keeping them in your name, which you have given me and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the Son of perdition so that the scripture would be fulfilled. And so they will say, someone will say, see, this is showing that all that you've given me I've lost except Judas. Judas, I did lose Judas. But that would be a contradiction, would it not? If this is referring to Judas being one that was given and then lost, are you all following me? There are those that will say that Judas was given and then lost. So John 637, 38, 39 couldn't possibly mean that all that it was given, he won't lose any. Well, first of all, let's go back to it because if that's the case, we literally have a contradiction. Before I go to that, let's talk about what a contradiction is. A contradiction is not saying there's one guy over there and then another person says, there's two over there. That's not a contradiction. Different information is not a contradiction. A contradiction is I will do it and then immediately saying I will not do it. Or there is only, there is five people. No, what's another contradiction? Because I don't want to give any sort of confusion. Let's see. Well, you know what, this is one. This is one. Jesus says I won't lose any but I lost one except. So let's see. This person says, C.H. says he said except. Well, let's see if he said except because maybe that's not what he said. But let's go to it. Back to John 637, he says, all that the father gives, so question Mr. C.H., or whomever else, who is the all that the father has given? Who does that include? And so guys, I'm gonna be looking at you guys' responses in the chats. Who would you say includes this all? Who's the all? All that the father has given will come to me. All that, and it's pretty straightforward, even in the Greek, even in the English. All of them, all the who, the ones that the father's given will come to me. And then 39 he says is the will of the father that all that he has given, so all 37 in verse 39, he says that he shall lose none, but raise them or raise it or raise it in the last day. Now, he says it's the 12 disciples. He says it's okay, well fine. So if he says if it's the 12 disciples that all that he has given, well then Jesus is wrong. Jesus is a contradiction because you lost Judas if you think it's the 12. That's not the case though. We're gonna find out in a second. So let's go ahead and continue and let's go back to chapter 17 verse 12. While I was with them, I was keeping them in your name, which you have given me. I was keeping them in your name, which you have given me. Now this here is specifically about the disciples, but is it all of them? And I guarded them and not one of them perish except the or but except the son of perdition. So that the scripture will be fulfilled. The question now though, was the son of perdition was Judas given? There's a question. Well, I hope there's a passage that clears this up. I would hope that's a passage. There's a passage that clears this up. Well, let's see. Let's go to John 18, nine. Matter of fact, let's just keep it in context so we'll know what we're talking about. So he said, so when he said to them, I am he, they drew back this when they're coming after Jesus, they drew back to the ground. Therefore he asked again, he asked them, whom do you seek? And he said, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered and said, I told you that I am he. So if you seek me, let these go their way to fulfill the word which he spoke of, of those whom you have given me, I've lost not one. Uh-oh. So if you think that chapter 1712 includes Judas, that's not what this passage says. Why do I say so? Look what it says to fulfill the word which he spoke of those whom you have given me, I lost not one. Judas is not included in them because who is Jesus saying let go? Jesus is saying let those other disciples go. Judas is not with them. Judas is with the people coming to come and take Jesus. Judas is not included in the group that he says, let them go so that it'd be fulfilled that I won't lose one. So it could not mean that Judas was ever lost because Judas was never part of the ones that were given. Now, to make it even more so, the case that Judas had never, ever, ever been saved. Let's go to John 13.10. Matter of fact, let's go to, let's start in verse eight, 13.8. He says, Peter, Peter said to him, never shall you wash my feet. Jesus answered, if I do not wash you, you have no part with me. Simon Peter said, Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head. Look at Jesus' response. Jesus said to him, he who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean. And you are clean, but not all of you. For he knew of the one who was betraying him for this reason he said, not all of you are clean. Now, let's go ahead and look at this. He says, not all, but I'm sorry, go back to verse 10. He said, he who has bathed, now, I want you to look at this passage. He who has bathed needs only wash his feet. This is, I want you to look at the verse, I mean the tense. This is the perfect middle. So because it's perfect, this is a completed action from the past. These men have already been cleansed. Well, how is that? Well, first of all, because they had already been selected. He says, he who has been bathed, this is perfect tense. So this is in the past action. All of them have been bathed except for one person. He who has been bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean. And you are clean, but not all of you. For he knew the one who was betraying him. For this reason, he said, not all of you are clean. Judas is not clean, nor has he ever been cleansed. At what point in time has Judas ever been saved? That would be the $64,000 question. There are no passages that state that Judas has ever been saved. As a matter of fact, the passages clearly state that he has never been saved. He's never been cleansed. And then going back to verse nine of chapter 18, to fulfill the words which he spoke of those whom you have given me, I lost none. Jesus could not be including, nor could he have ever been including Judas because he's saying even now, I have lost none. To fulfill the words that I have lost none, that necessarily eliminates Judas. And again, Judas is, he says, one of you is a devil. Judas has never been stated or claimed to be a believer. Never, he walked with them, he was among them, which is why we can go to verse John 219. They went out from among us, but they were never really of us for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us, but they went out so that it would be shown that they are not all of us. So does that include Judas? Well, if it doesn't include Judas, I don't know who it could be. Now, John is speaking because John was there with Judas. And so clearly Judas was never saved. There's no passages that would state to the contrary. Jesus is stating that he's never been cleansed. Jesus is separating those whom he has kept, those whom he will never lose from Judas. Judas is not saved. So we can eliminate Judas from the list. Again, Judas calls him a devil. And one of you is a devil, that is Judas. Now, okay, let me listen to CH because CH wants to make a point no matter what. CH is a guy, you're gonna make a point even if it means you've fallen off a cliff. But let's go back to it. He wants to deal, let's go back to John 1712. Now once you listen, he says, I was with them, I was keeping them in your name. I don't know why you're not getting this, but I understand we'll live with you a little longer. I was keeping them in your name, which you have given me and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition. Are you saying that Judas was given? He's not saying that Judas was given. He says, I guarded them and not one of them perished. Matter of fact, let's go over here. And not one of them perished except the son of perdition. Matter of fact, let me read this. In order that the scriptures would be fulfilled. Well, which scripture, CH or anyone else, which scriptures would be fulfilled? Well, Jesus literally references this when he goes about, when he speaks about it in John 16 to fulfill the word which he spoke of whom you said, I have given me, I've lost none. He loses none. So here you have, here what you're creating, Mr. CH, is a contradiction. If Judas was one of the ones that was given and he lost them, well then Jesus said, I won't lose any. And Jesus just said as we're reading that of those whom you have given, I've lost none. So twice onto occasion, Jesus stated that I have lost none, I will not lose any. But you're saying that Judas is one of the ones that was given and he did lose one. You're gonna have to either tell us to throw the rest of the Bible away because if we've got one contradiction then the rest of the Bible is untrustworthy. You couldn't reconcile that if they made AI to do it for you. There is no way to reconcile that. That is a classic definition or classic example of a contradiction. Now, one gentleman may not get it but by question to the rest of you guys, do you all get it? Do the rest of you get it? And so, C.H. is gonna told this line because he wants to believe that you can lose your salvation. Fine, good luck with your salvation. Good luck because it's all up to you now. So now, let's go ahead and lead the next one. Let's go to Ananias. Ananias, what'd you say? Okay, that's a good question. Dino says, why would they call the 12 disciples when Judas was never really a disciple? Well, first of all, they weren't just the 12 disciples. There were more than just 12. Now, these are just people that are following him. Now, they're not called disciples because we are delving into their heart. They're called disciples because outwardly they're following him. They're his disciples. But that didn't mean what Judas is never though is an apostle. So Judas never got to that particular point and Judas was never cleansed. Judas was never considered to be one of the ones that was chosen. John, excuse me. John goes and states that all of those that walked among us that left us, they were never really part of us. And it was shown that way because they left. That's what, that is what John says. This is what Jesus says. So let's go to Ananias. So I think still, it's just simple reading the Bible and just putting things in context. I think that makes the most, I think it helps. It will, it will alleviate a lot of the confusion. Thank you, Robert Tuzzi. I appreciate that. So let's go and look at Ananias. If we look at Ananias, the question is gonna be, is he one of the saved? The question is gonna be, does he belong to, does he belong to, C.A. says he chose a 12. He chose 70 also. So it's not just the 12. But Ananias, but a man named Ananias with his wife, Sapphira, sold a piece of property and kept back some of the price for himself with his wife's full knowledge and bringing a portion of it. He laid bare, I'm sorry, laid at the apostle's feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to life to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain yours or your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God. And as he heard these words, Ananias fell to the ground and breathed his last. And great fear came over all who heard it. The young men got up and covered him up. And after carrying him out, they bury him. So the question is, was Ananias saved? Matter of fact, there's really two questions. There's, was Ananias saved? And then, even if we can say that he was, did Ananias lose his salvation? Ananias lost his life? That part we know. The truth is, the Bible doesn't really give us a whole lot to go off of about his spiritual wellbeing. It does tell us about his wife. She says, well, why did it? Matter of fact, let's finish reading. Let's go ahead and put it in the same boat. Now there laps an interval of about three hours. And his wife came in not knowing what had happened. And Peter responded to her, tell me whether you sold the land for such and such a price. And she said, yes, that was the price. And Peter said to her, why is it that you have agreed together to put the spirit of the Lord to test? Behold the feet of those who have buried your husband or at the door and they will carry you out as well. And immediately she fell at his feet and breathed her last. So we've got both of them, husband and wife, both of them have died as a result of lying. Now, verse three, Peter said to Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? Does that mean he was saved? And then Satan enters his heart and then went away? Well, before we go that far, is it possible? Before we go that far, is it possible? Here's a question, guys. Is it possible for a person to believe and then have Satan feel their heart so that they would stop believing? That's my question. Is that possible for a person to believe according to your beliefs, not mine or anyone else's according to your beliefs? Is it possible that a person can believe and then have Satan enter their heart so as to keep them from believing? Do y'all understand how I'm saying this? Is it possible for a person to believe then to have Satan to feel their heart or enter their heart or to come into their heart and to stop them from believing? Is that possible? Cause it's a very important question. I said not in Calvinism. In the scriptures, is it possible? Thank you, man. A few folks are knowing where I'm going. So in Luke 8, 11, I've covered this before y'all. Remember, now this is the parable. The seed is the word of God. Those by the wayside are those who hear and the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. In this word for believe, this is why I use the phrase believing because this is literally what this word is, pistol santes, which is believing. And this is an heiress act of participle, but it's a part of simple. So it's possible, as Jesus is telling this parable, it's possible for a person to believe, but yet still have the devil to come to their heart and take it away. However, these aren't, this isn't the kind of belief that saves. The devil wants that person not to be the believing one, but the person that has this temporary belief. How do I know? Because if we keep reading, going further down, verse 14, now, the ones that fell among the thorns are those who, when they heard, go out and are choked with the cares of the rich, cares riches and pleasures of this life and bring no fruit to maturity. But verse 15, but the ones that fell on good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. So, there's a difference in the heart. What Satan would do, Satan would for the person that has this temporal belief and there's a difference, excuse me. There is a faith, a belief that's not saving. That's not a scientific faith. That's not saving faith, but there is a saving faith that does say there is a faith that saved. That faith is this participle, this in, this present active part, this continual state of believing. That's the one that saves. To know and to mentally understand, to assent to even state that yes, I'm a sinner and the only way to be saved, especially according to the Bible, is that I placed my faith in what Christ did and what did Christ do, Christ died on the cross for me and that was a penalty, that was a payment that God required. So, a person who's not saved can understand those things and agree to those facts. A person who is not saved, who does not have the Holy Spirit, can stipulate to those facts. Are you with me? Anybody can stipulate to those facts. Anybody. That doesn't make you saved. The one that is continuing is the one that's saved. Well, what's gonna make this person, especially in this Proverbs, in the Proverbs, in this parable, make them saved. Well, according to Jesus, the word, which is a seed, is dependent upon what sort of ground the seed is sown in. The ground, which is the heart, it depends on the heart that must be good. The question is, who determines the heart? Does the devil determine that? Well, obviously not. God determines the heart. God determines if there is a good heart. God is the one that prepares the heart. If the heart is a good heart, Jesus says that, but the one that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit. The only way that you can keep it and bear fruit is if your heart is good. Who makes the heart to be good? God does, through his spirit. What have we been told about the spirit fixing or preparing the ground or the heart? He does it, not you. No one knows, like he says, the wind, where it goes from, where it comes from, where it goes. So to it is everyone who was born of the spirit. And everyone who was born of the spirit, Peter says has been caused to be born again. And we're told several times in the Old Testament that when it happens, they will walk in his teachings. They'll keep following, they'll keep hearing, are you with me? So those are what we know are the results of having this good heart. So it's possible going back to Ananias, it is possible. It is possible for Ananias, he could have possibly been one of those people that was described in Luke eight. Do I think that Ananias mentally believed that Jesus died on the cross? Well, yeah, he's hanging out with the disciples. He's hanging out with the body. Now, because he's with the body, that doesn't mean anything. But now I want to focus your attention on something else. I want you all to notice in chapter four, let's start in verse 32. And the congregation of those who believe were of one heart, were of one heart and soul, would you say? Okay. And not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own. Notice what's being said guys, and the congregation of those who believed. By the way, what is this word for believed? Is it just a simple heiress tense? No, this is a participle for those who were believing. So how does the Bible describe a true Christian as believing in this state of believing? How are these people of this congregation described as believing? Pistu santum, which is that's a participle. So these folks were believing of this true congregation. They were believing and they were of one heart and soul. And not one of them, listen to what's being stated guys, not one of them of who? Of those that are believing, not one of those that are believing, claim that anything belonging to him was his own. Well, immediately we already see a contrast between them in chapter four, and Ananias and Sapphira in chapter five. So continue. But all things were common property to them. And with great power, the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus and abundant grace was upon them all. For there was not a needy person among them for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of sales and lay them at the feet of the apostles. And they would be distributed to each as any had need. Now, Joseph, a Levite of Cyprian birth, who was also called Barnabas by the apostles, which is translated means son of encouragement, and who owned attractive land, sold it and brought it to the money, brought the money and laid it at the feet of the apostles feet. Now, but, but, here's my question, ladies and gentlemen. Here is my question, ladies and gentlemen. If I use the word, but, is that a word of comparison or is that a word of contrast? But is a word of contrast. So in contrast to the believers in chapter four, here comes Ananias, though he might look like one, though he may want to act like one, though he may even want to say he's one. The Bible belies that fact by saying, but, but a man named Ananias with his wife's fire sold a piece of property and kept back some of the price for himself. Now, let's stop. What do they do? They kept back some of the price for themselves. First of all, there's no passage in the Bible that ever calls them believers. If they were to be part of the believers, here's a problem, going back up to chapter four, and the congregation of those who were believing, that's literally what this means, guys, the congregation of those who were believing were of one heart and soul. And not one of them, listen to what it says, guys, not one of them, not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own. That is different than Ananias. Let's try to say does it negate everything you said before? Yes, it does. Yes, it does because we're just, Luke is describing what the true believers were doing. Those who believe, and they were of one heart and soul. Those who were believing. Then we're gonna contrast, then we're gonna contrast them with who? Ananias, so yes. And see, this is the problem, and I'm gonna have to stop addressing because I don't think you've been an honest broker with all due respect. Wow, Cory knows all the believers and none believers. No, I didn't write the Bible, sir. I didn't write it. Let me read it again. Let me read it again. And the congregation of those who believed. Now, this word right here, all the believers, the ones that are believing, were of one heart and soul. And not one of them claimed anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them. Did you understand, do you all understand what I just read? Let me ask you all, because there's one person who didn't want to, I don't know if he didn't understand, it's just he didn't want to understand, which is fine. You are free to disagree. However, is there anyone else that's having difficulty understanding what I'm being, what's being said? He's, Luke is literally describing what this congregation of believers are doing. And he's calling them those who were believing. I'm not saying who the ones that are believing, Luke is. And he's identifying what the believers are doing. He says the believers were one heart and not one of them. Well, if Ananias or Sapphira, that's two, but if one of them did so, you could not make the statement, not one of them, but here Luke does. Now, full disclosure guys, just in case you didn't know, I wasn't there. Another disclosure, neither were you guys, but you know who was? Luke was, Luke is writing this account. So Luke says not one of them, not one of them, but then if we go to chapter five verse one, but a many man Ananias with his wife sold a piece of property and kept back some of the price for himself with his wife's full knowledge and bringing a portion to it, he laid it at the apostle's feet. Is that different than what is said in Luke chapter four? Yes it is. Now, someone could come back and say, well, even if Ananias were saved, does that mean that because God killed him, that he lost his salvation? No, it doesn't. It's possible. It's possible that a person can be saved and God kill him. It's possible that you can be saved and then God kills you. That is very much possible. Now, I'm not saying he was saved. I'm saying there's a difference, there's a differentiation in the scriptures to say that he doesn't seem to be saved because the writer says that no one, none of them, so a person that would do that could not be categorized as one of those in chapter four. Are you all with me? Then we've got this word of contrast, but that separates chapter four and chapter five. So therefore, it'd be hard to make the case that Ananias was ever a believer. Amen? He could have mentally ascended to the fact that, yeah, Jesus died on the cross for us and so forth, but it seems like Judas, and I'd be willing to state that Judas was like the person that Jesus is describing in the parable of the sores in Luke chapter eight. So I think it's a really good bet to say that Ananias and Sapphire would never save, therefore they never lost their salvation. Are you with me? Now, Jesus is coming back in 2031. Yeah, okay. Okay, I'm reading what you're saying. Now, what about this guy, Demas? There could be a little bit tricky with Demas. However, I don't think so. I don't think so. First of all, we don't know his spiritual state because what we do sometimes is sometimes we'll assume that a person was a Christian and they may not have ever been a Christian because what we do sometimes is we see the actions of a professed Christian and think that that person is a Christian when they may not have been a Christian or now it's also part of the person is a Christian and their actions that look like they're not a Christian we think, well, that person would never say we don't know. So, but with Demas, here is the issue with Demas. Paul is gonna make a statement and we might run too much with the statement that Paul is making. So, in 2 Timothy chapter four, Paul is at his deathbed and Paul makes a statement. He says, make every effort to come to me soon for Demas having loved this present world has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica. Cretians has gone to Galatia, tied us to Dalmatia, only Luke is with me, pick up Mark and bring him with you for he is useful to me for service. So, the question is, was Demas, did Demas desert the faith? What say you guys? Let me put it back on the screen. Do you all believe that Demas left the faith? Do you all believe that Demas deserted the faith? That's interesting. I like to hear what you guys think. Jonathan said he got scared, okay. What do y'all think? What do the rest of you guys think? Did Demas, was he a believer and then left? Did he leave the faith? Now, remember, it's possible to leave the faith, but not leaving, but you cannot leave having faith. It's possible, it's possible to leave the belief, but it's not possible to leave having believed, or it's a difference. It's possible to leave the noun, but it's not possible to leave the verb. Let me mark that down. Fidel, I'll come back to your adonis deal. And by the way, if at the end, you all wanna have some questions about the different ones that we're talking about, no problem. I'll come back to Adonis and just a little bit, Fidel. So, is it possible that Demas left the faith? No, Christopher, I haven't gone over Saul yet. I haven't gone over Saul. I'm saving Saul for the last. Well, let's go back and look at what he said about Demas. Let's go back and look at what he said about Demas and Devante, I want to just give you a gold star. In preschool or kindergarten, you get a gold star in your forehead. I want to give Devante a gold star on his forehead. Look what Paul says. Paul says, make every effort to come to me. For Demas, having loved this present world, and I think this is the hangup on people, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica. Well, I think it's better to say that he left Paul, which is what Paul said. Paul said he deserted me. Paul has never been one to shy away from saying a person has opposed the faith or anything like that. Because as a matter of fact, while he's here, he actually mentions names of someone who has opposed their message, Alexander. So here though, Demas having loved this present world and that's the stick up. Having loved this present world has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica. It could seem like, yeah, he's in the world now. He's part of the world. Here's the problem though. Here is the problem. Who else left Paul? Because it's not just one person that Paul brings up. Paul brings up Cretians. Don't know much about Cretians, but Paul also brings up Titus. So the question is, now there's two ways to look at this. There's really two ways to look at this. One, Demas was saved and did not depart the faith. He just departed Paul. Or Demas was never saved and went to the world. But he puts three names in there. And when you read what different scholars say, you'll find a split. You'll find a split because it's this issue of that will cause people to say, well, yeah, I see Demas did go back to the world. He's not saved. Well, first of all, we don't know what his end was, but this love, this present age. Actual says, I got past this time, noon, I don't know. So he's loved this age or having love, this age, this age. And so it could be, it could very well be. It could very well be, or it could be because Paul is threading all three, Paul is threading all three in this category because all three of them have left him. All of them have gone on, has deserted me, gone to Thessalonica, Cretans gone to Galatia, Titus gone to Demacia. Only Luke is with me. So it could very well be. What we can say for a fact, what we can say for a fact is, we don't know the spiritual state of Demas at all. We don't know the spiritual state of Demas before 2 Timothy 4-9, and we don't know the spiritual state of Demas after 2 Timothy 4-9. And so you couldn't, even if you wanted to say, no, Corey, Demas did not lose his salvation. I mean, Demas did. What you cannot do is, you cannot say that Demas was either saved prior or he was saved later. You can't say that he was saved and lost because the Bible just does not tell us about Demas. Are you with me? The Bible doesn't mention us, doesn't give a lot about Demas. Now, we are told in Colossians where Paul does say greet Demas. Now, is it the same Demas? We don't know. But he does greet, who was it, Mark that he greeted? Let me see, let me go to this passage real quick. Yeah, I'm sorry, he greeted Luke. He does greet Luke. Now, Paul did have an issue with someone else that departed him before. He had an issue with Mark deserting him, John Mark deserting him in the past. Only Luke is with him this time, but then he tells him, ironically enough, he tells him to bring back Mark who he had a problem with deserting them the first time. The point is though, there's only two texts you can take and neither gives the opening to say that he's lost salvation. One, all he simply did was leave him, leave Paul to go back to the world, but how so did he go back to the world? Could it be that he just went back to the world because that's what he's doing. He's about the world and I mean the world, the world system, or he left the faith. Either way, we don't know what his spiritual condition was before and we don't know what his spiritual condition was afterwards. I have no problem with whichever way you wanna take it. If you wanna say that he went and went back into the world, that's fine. I have no problem with that, I really don't. But you can't say that he was saved. Or if you wanna say that he was a believer, but he just departed Paul, I don't have a problem with that either. Problem is we just don't know which way. So there's no, still again, no basis. And so again, according to other scriptures, we won't bring those other scriptures in, but according to other scriptures, there's just no basis thus far for those first three to say that any of them were saved and then lost their salvation. Are you with me? Now, I wanna go to this other one. I wanna go to Saul. And again, we can come back to any of these others. So if you have questions after I've finished with Saul, we'll come back to him, put a big cue, put a big question in front of your statement, and then we'll take questions about any of these or if you wanna go over for some other passages as well. No problem. Saul, what about Saul? King Saul? Well, the Bible doesn't say much about his spiritual standing. It gives a little bit, but not a lot. We don't know. All we do know is that the spirit came upon him. He did prophesy, but then the spirit left him. Is that to say he was saved? Well, first of all, let's go to 1 Samuel 9.15. Saul was chosen, but he wasn't chosen for salvation. Says that the day before Saul's coming, the Lord had revealed this to Samuel, saying, about this time tomorrow, I will send to you or send you a man from Atlanta, Benjamin, and you shall anoint him to be prince over my people Israel, and he would deliver my people from the hand of the Philistines. So Saul is chosen, but he was chosen simply to lead Israel. That was it. The questions are gonna be though, was he ever saved? Well, here's the problem that we have with Saul ever being saved. Let's go to 1 Samuel 15.28 and read this passage. So Samuel said to him, the Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today and has given it to your neighbor who is better than you. Also the glory of Israel will not lie or change his mind, for he is not a man that he should change his mind. Now we got a problem. Now we have a problem because this statement is not, by the way, just for Saul. Saul was not saved or chosen and then unchosen for salvation, because that is what God does. If you and I live today, if you and I live today and we're saved, we're chosen by the Lord, he doesn't un-choose us precisely because of this passage here. For he is not a man that he should change his mind. God does not revoke gifts. He does not change his mind, whatever he has chosen you to do, to be, particularly in regard to salvation, that's what it will be. Because when did God do the choosing before you were born? That's also inescapable. Now, here's where it becomes a bit tricky. Here's where it comes a bit tricky. I'll answer that too. What about Simon's? I'll come back to Simon in just a little bit. Is it possible under the old covenant to stand before the Lord, justify today and the next year not be justified? Well, sure. Sure, it's possible to be atoned for today and then next week not be atoned for or next year. Why? Because this was a yearly thing. Now, was Saul ever atoned for? I have no idea. We have no idea if ever during the day of atonement, if Saul ever humbled his soul, afflicted his soul, we have no idea. We have no idea if Saul ever placed faith in the atoning work during the day of atonement. We have no idea if Saul was faithful in bringing offerings to the Lord. We have no idea. No idea what's all we do know about Saul is that Saul was tall, Saul was a handsome man. That was it and they was a tribe of Benjamin. But as far as his spiritual condition, we don't know. Under the old covenant, it's possible to have your sins atoned for and then later in the year or next year, not have your sins atoned for. This was a yearly thing. So it's possible today I'm atoned for, next year not atoned for. No, this guy is not a Calvinist. That part is possible. I'm trying to forget your point. You don't, yeah, I say to everyone is chosen. All of us now who are in Christ, if anyone is in Christ, he was chosen. When was he chosen? I'm pretty solid on that. I'm pretty clear on that. You were chosen. So yes, everyone Saul was trying to kill David too. Yeah, that's all the problem. Saul also killed about 80 something priests up for the 65 or 85 priests of God. So Saul was not a man of God. Saul was not a man of God. Now, however, David was a man chosen by God. But again, going back to the old covenant, you could be atoned for today and then next year, not be atoned for. That was a system, which I think guys, by the way, that's very important. Atoned for then, not atoned for later. Atoned for then, not atoned for later. Atoned for then, not atoned for later. So if you were atoned for one year, then the next year you're not atoned for, had a person, let's say Bubba of Tarsus of 2000 BC is atoned for and he dies. Once the next dispensation, I'm using this word, he could, he would be brought before the father. However, if the following year, he's not atoned for, cause it's possible. Your atonement under the old covenant, there are no rollover minutes. Do they still have that rollover minutes? There are no rollover minutes. So Bubba of Tarsus is in 2000 BC atoned for, but 199, 1,999 BC is not atoned for because that following year, he did not afflict his soul. He did not, he was working at that time. He was eating everything he could eat. He was also engaged in other sin, all those things. And then at the day of atonement, he did really, his heart wasn't there. Well, was he atoned for it? No, it was not. And if he were to die, if Bubba of Tarsus were to die in 199, 9 BC, then Bubba of Tarsus dies, not justified. Are you guys with me? That was the system that we had prior to the cross where Bubba of Tarsus could die after previously being atoned for, die atoned for where Shamiqua of Canaan could have rescind atoned for this year and the next year, not. When am I coming to Mississippi? I didn't know I was coming to Mississippi. You know something I don't know. So, the city says, what about first Samuel? Where's it at? Where's it at? First Samuel 10, nine, let's go there. First Samuel 10, nine. Then it happened when he turned his back to leave Samuel. God changed his heart and all those signs came about that day. Let's go to the top, so we can keep it in context. These are not verses. Then Samuel took the flask of oil, poured it on the head and kissed him and said, has not the Lord anointed you to rule over his inheritance? When you go from me today, then you will find two men close to Rachel's tomb in the territory of Benjamin at Zelze. And they will say to you, the donkeys which you went to look for have been found. Never hold your father's S.C. So let's drop down so he's going to anoint. He's going to bring, he's going to choose Saul. Go to verse five. Afterwards, you will come to the hill of God where the Philistine garrison is and it shall be as soon as you have come there to a city that you will meet a group of prophets coming down from a high place with harp, tambourine, flute and lyre before them and they will be prophesied. And the spirit of the Lord will come upon you mightily and you shall prophesy with them and be changed into another man. It shall be when these signs come to you, do for yourself what is the occasion requires for God is with you and you shall go down before me to Gilgau and behold I will come down to you to offer burnt offerings and sacrifice peace offerings. You shall wait seven days until I come to you and show you what you should do. Then happen when he turned back to leave Samuel, God changed his heart and all those signs came about that day. So the issue is whose heart it's not, it's not, are you asking was that God's heart being changed? No, it's not God's heart being changed. No, that is Samuel. And so what is God doing? That God can do, God will change and work in a man's heart all for his benefit. He will send a distressing spirit. He will send a calming spirit. That's what God will do. God will cause you to give him glory. There's a spider who is now dead. Where'd he go? Where'd the spider go? There it is. I got him. I just want to make sure he was coming down. I don't know why these spiders keep, there's a light over me. They just keep dropping down. But anyway, he can have a man praising God after God having that man eating and grazing in the field like a cattle. So that's what was happening at that time. Remember, we're talking about a different dispensation so God is gonna take what he used in the Old Covenant and give a better offering. He's gonna bring about a better high priest, a better scapegoat, and a better sacrificial offering. That isn't a one-time thing every year. Every year's gonna do a one-time thing. I'm sorry, that is a one-time thing versus having to do it every year. Because the same system that we have now is what we had then, then what would be the purpose of Jesus coming? What would be the purpose of having Christ on the cross if, if, let me slow this down, what would be the purpose of having Christ on the cross if it's the exact same setup that we had before where you could be saved or atoned for this year and then the following year, not be atoned for? Nothing would change. It'd be the same thing. And so it's almost like Jesus, you kind of waste your time. You could have really avoided the whole cross thing. Now, is it possible though that Saul could have been atoned for and then not atoned for the following? That's possible. That is possible. However, that's not what we're talking about here. When we talk about salvation as we know it, where a person places their faith in Christ and then that person has the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit resides in you, such as in this dispensation, what you will never do is lose that Holy Spirit. What will never happen is you will never be lost. If you believe, then as Jesus says, you have it right now going forever. So there is no passage. The spider came for deliverance. He got delivered. He's laying right there dead. I'm gonna sweep him up in a second. Now if he gets up and starts moving, I might speak in tongues because I got him good. But there's no passage that states that. We at present don't have a passage of a person being saved and then losing their salvation. We don't have that. So now, any questions, I will go ahead and entertain. Ken Folkjack says, what about Simon the source? Well, Peter indicates to Simon in Acts 8 that you don't have a reward with us. You're not with us. Peter tells me to get his heart right or else you're going to hell. So it looked like he was saved, but he wouldn't. Said the right things, but his heart was betrayed and therefore, therefore, I'm sorry, I was looking at some of this. His heart was known by Peter and so therefore Peter said, listen, you're not what everyone thinks you are. Here is my challenge with your Ananias explanation. In the first, if the first Christians were baptized by the Holy Ghost, how can we conclude that Ananias was never saved? Well, we don't know that what we don't know for Dell is if Ananias was baptized with the Holy Ghost. They're just like today. We don't know if the person was baptized by the Holy Spirit. We have no idea. There were those that could, you could see, not now, listen, everybody, when you saw the baptism of the Holy Ghost, if you saw any evidence at the time of someone having the Holy Spirit, the only outward sign that you would have seen would have been someone speaking in these languages. And the only reason why we saw the languages, there was, there were two reasons for the languages, be, yeah, Simon was a grifter. Matter of fact, the very first grifter, wasn't he? There's two ways that we could see the uses of these languages, these tongues at the founding of the church. One, obviously to spread the gospel, which is what we saw. The gospel spread to people in different languages. Secondly, to give evidence to who? To this adulterous, wicked adulterous generation, who, the Jews? Because when the sign of tongues were shown, who saw it and who marveled, the Jews? In Acts 8, we presume that the Samaritans received it. And by the way, Jesus says, go into all the word, but you go into first, you go into Jerusalem and Judea, that's the Jews. Well, they received the Holy Spirit and spoke in different languages. So the Jews understood that. Secondly, the Samaritans. The Samaritans were next in line. Jesus says, you be by witnesses a day in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. So then the Samaritans received the Holy Spirit and there was this marveling, which is what Simon saw and wanted to pay for it. Then you've got the Gentiles. The Gentiles speak in these tongues. And then what happens? The Jews also marvel at that. Wow, even the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit. So all the people groups have received the Holy Spirit. So the church in Jerusalem, all the Jews, who were the first ones to be filled with the Spirit, they could not say that only the Jews would get it. Remember, they were prejudiced back in those days too. The Jews could not say that only us Jews, yeah, the rest of you guys could believe but only us Jews could get it. No, they saw other Jews get it. Matter of fact, not just other Jews, but also poor Jews, those that aren't the aristocrats. So they saw all any Jew can get it. Samaritans can receive the Holy Spirit. Gentiles can receive the Holy Spirit and the last people group to receive it will be those disciples of John. Because all they had known about was this other baptism, this baptism of John, John's baptism, which was one of repentance. Hey, we're not gonna send any more. We're gonna do our best to send. Or not to send, I'm sorry. So what did they need to get? Because they were faithful. They received the Holy Spirit. By the way, that's really kind of the line of demarcation after that. We don't see demons being cast out after that. We don't see tongues after that. We don't see any of that. So this evidence of this tongue was there to do two things. To witness and to give evidence that others have received the Holy Spirit. So we don't know if Ananias, going back to the question, we have no idea if Ananias shows some sort of outward manifestation of the Holy Spirit. There's no reason to believe so. Plus, plus, you don't know who got baptized in the Holy Spirit. There's no way. There is just no way. All we know is that everyone that is in Christ has been baptized. That's all we know. Not everyone who's professed Christ has been baptized. Well, good evening, Absolute Truth. How are you? We don't know. But again, going back to Ananias, there is a distinction between Ananias and those that are spoken of in chapter four. That really is gonna be a bit difficult for people to get around. He's literally explaining, he's literally explaining, he's literally explaining what the believers were doing and what they did not do. What is your question, CH? Please ask your question. Let me see. Let's see what CH's question is. I don't know which answer. Matter of fact, without me searching for it, go ahead and tell me what your question is. Let me answer. Now, I'm not getting ready to go through a whole litany of things and go through a riddle. So ask your question because we did this before, okay? Yep, I think so too. I can agree with that for it. I can certainly. How do you explain if someone is a, how do you explain if someone is a false convert? You, honestly, if you're trying to guess if someone is a false convert, it's gonna be hard. It's going to be hard. There are some telltale signs, but they're not totally conclusive signs, if you understand what I'm saying. There are some things that a false convert would do, but there are also some of those same things that a true convert would do. Brian, CH, why are you telling me to ask your question? Why don't you just put it in there? Now, I gotta go look for it. If you ever want Corey's attention, just complain. Well, that's true too. That's true too. I had this, I told this to Brian, why am I a hair assist? Because God didn't have hair. I want to be more like him, see? I had this teacher mentality where if I'm in a classroom and I'm covering things, I will stop and ask or answer a question. Does CH ever ask this question? CH, is your question, Sierra's question? Wow, so how do you determine if a person's a false convert? Ultimately, you can't determine if a person's a false convert, you just can't. But there are some signs. Again, going back to Luke eight, here are some things that happened in Luke eight. Now, the parable is this. The seed is the word of God. Those by the wayside are those who hear, then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their heart. Lest they should believe and be saved. Now, there are those who tend to have this momentary joy, but the issue is, now this is how you can know if he is literally in your heart. Meaning, what does that do for you? Now, you know if your heart is filled with the spirit. You do. When you sin, and you will sin. How grieved are you? Are you grieved? Are you bothered? Grieved enough to make a decision and affirmation internally? I'm not gonna do that again. And you're probably gonna do it again, but it bothers you. If you're not bothered by sin. Now, you may not be bothered at the moment because it happens. You can be so much in the heat of something to where you should be bothered and ultimately you will, but not right now. You get an argument and you say some choice words to the person and you just, you really upset. Does that mean that you won't be repentant? Well, you might not be repentant at this moment, but later. And if you are, if the sin bothers you, then fine. You can be bothered by sin, not necessarily immediately. Continue back to it. Verse 13, but the ones on the rock are those who when they hear receive the word with joy and they have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. So, something happens every time temptation comes. What do they do? They move away. Well, that's an indication of not having any root. If you're saved, you're gonna have some root. Now, sometimes, have you all tried to knock over a tree or twig or branch or something like that, that had a root? You might knock it over, but it comes right back because the roots are there. The roots are there, the roots are deep. You can, matter of fact, you can even hit it to where it goes almost limp. You hit it at the right spot, it falls over, but it's still intact and the roots are still deep. So, our roots, and that's what you want to do. You want to test to see if you are rooted in Him. Now, again, I can't tell. You can't tell by the other person, but you know. Next, let's continue. Verse 14, now the ones that fell among the thorns are those who when they have heard go out and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of the life and bring no fruit to maturity. Here it is. The cares of the life, the riches of all the things of the world, that entices you. It chokes you out. You are more consumed with that. And then notice what it says, and bring no fruit to maturity. One of the big conundrum is the person who is doing the wrong thing, but at the same time also yielding good fruit. Well, which one are they known by? Well, eventually if they are of a, if their root is good, eventually the good fruit is going to outweigh the bad. You are going to have some bad things that you're gonna do. Are you with me? But the ones that fell on good ground are those who having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit. So you're gonna keep it, you're gonna bear fruit, and you're gonna, by the way, notice what it says, keep it and bear fruit with patience. So there's gonna be this endurance you're gonna have. Those that are saved, those that are truly saved, are gonna do what 1st John 219 says. They will continue, and if they don't, well then what do we have indicated? If they stop, they were never really truly saved. It can be playing for some people, and then it can just almost like written in cursive for some others. I think it's pretty clear. And again, I didn't start off with this belief. I was on the opposite side of this table, and I fought it. I mean, no, you can't tell me, you can't lose salvation. I know you can. Well, what about those whose names were written, but then supposedly taken out of the Book of Life? Well, there is nobody whose name was taken out of the Book of Life. We don't have any examples of that. Nobody's names were written taken out. As a matter of fact, Jesus makes this promise that you will never, ever, ever have your name blotted out of the Book of Life. So that's the Arthur. I saw a few more. He said, that's true, root to make sense, but John 15 kind of disproves if you take the analogy of the branch. I'm glad you said John 15. Let's go to John 15. This was one of the passages, by the way, Fidel. This is one of the passages that he used to just vex me and hang me up. And it was one of the passages that I was always arguing to make the point that you could lose your salvation. And I had this question before with Dr. Bolton, because at the time I was holding on to the fact that you could lose your salvation. And so let's go to what he says in John 15. I am the true vine and my father's divine dresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit, he takes away and every branch that bears fruit, he prunes that it may bear more fruit. Okay, so far so good. The branch that are in him are going to bear fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in me and I in you. By the way, by the way, there's already clean. You are clean. Does that refer to the disciples? Would that refer to Judas? No, because Jesus comes back and says that Judas is not clean. Judas has never been clean. So Judas is even eliminated from this passage. But anyway, verse four. Abide in me and I in you as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine. Neither can you unless you abide in me. So I'm in agreement. It's gonna sound like that. Wait a second, Corey. That contradicts your stance on internal security. No, it doesn't. I believe that you must abide in him. I believe that you must remain in him. I believe you must bear fruit. Verse five, I am the vine. You are the branches. You abide in me and I in him bears much fruit. For without me, you can do nothing. I agree. I'm in agreement with that. Without question, I'm in agreement with that. Let's keep going. If anyone does not abide in me, he is cast out as a branch and it's withered. And they gather them and throw them into the fire and they are burned. So if you do not, if you do not abide, you won't bear fruit. And if you don't bear fruit, you'll be cut off, withered up and thrown in hell, basically. I agree with that. There's no reason for me to not agree with that. I agree that if you do not abide, you won't bear fruit. If you don't bear fruit, you'll be cut off, withered up and cast into the fire. I agree with that. Seems like, Corey, what you're saying is, what you're saying is you can lose your salvation. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Continuing. If you abide in me and my words abide in you, you will ask what you desire and it shall be done for you. By this, my father's glorify that you bear much fruit. So you will be my disciples. Okay. Let's have no problem with that. As a father loved me, I have also loved you, abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my father's commandments and abide in his love. So now, the issue is this. If a Christian does not abide, if a Christian does not bear fruit, what will happen? That person will be cut off and thrown into the fire. That's true. That does not go against our stance, though. Why? Well, for the same reason that Dr. Bowden will say, Corey, just keep reading. If you're going to bring that passage up, Corey, keep reading. So let's keep reading. Going down to verse 16, because chapter 15 doesn't stop in verse eight and verse nine. Chapter 15 continues. He says, verse 16, you did not choose me, but I chose you. And I appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the father in my name, he may give you. So what is Jesus saying that they are going to do? He says, you are going to bear fruit. You are going to remain. Oh, you don't have to. I got you, BJ. I got your, I have your question, Mark. I'm gonna come to you. You are going to bear fruit. And this word here appointed, if we were to go and look, well, I'm not gonna take the time and do it, but if you were to go and look this up in the B-dag, this is him saying that I'm appointing you to go and bear fruit that it will remain. So what does John 15 teach? The question is, who is John 15 for? Is it for just the disciples? Is it for everybody? I would continue that it's for everybody, but if you take us for John 15, we're fine. I mean, that's for the disciples, it's fine. And there is no demarcation where it stops and verse 15 goes from the disciples to us. So if 15, that first part is for us, then so too is the last part. If the first part, if it's the last part for the disciples, then so too is the first part. So if we're gonna use chapter 15, that part verse two specifically and the rest, then what does he say? I have a fake I have appointed to where you are going to bear fruit. Are you with me? Explain what fruit is, please. Just the result of the spirit, the result of the spirit carposs. This word right here. This word on the right hand side is carposs in the Greek. It is fruit or it's the result of something. So the fruit of the spirit or the result of the spirit is this. Are you with me? So when you think of fruit in that term, if you think of fruit spiritually speaking, it's the result and it's the good results. The good things that happen as a result of having the spirit in you. Okay, let me ask you this question. Excuse me. Is sanctification synergistic or monogistic? It's both. Here's why. You are taking part in your sanctification. But let's be clear. It's the Holy Spirit working in you to do so. Okay? There's a level of obedience as you're going, but you've got this guardrail behind you and on the side of you. So you can kind of get off track and the Holy Spirit, because he's in you, will kind of help bring you back. Now, what condition, if you get off track, will the Holy Spirit bring you back? It's gonna be painful. Might be a little rough. Okay? I think I saw someone talk about the kind of punishments that you can get. Hell is not the only punishment that you can get. You can get a spanking on your way back. You can be that sheep that he goes and he breaks your leg so that you can't walk but you have to rest comfortably in his arms so he feeds you close as bosom with his hands so you'll be trained to eat from his hand. You could be that sheep. That happens. Those who, and listen, those are the fortunate. I think I'm blessed. I think you all are blessed. If you had to go through something and God had to punish you to teach you obedience, I think that's a wonderful thing because you learn it well. It's kind of like getting one of those. Have you ever gotten a spanking about something? But maybe now some of you guys didn't get it. Some of you guys need a spanking. Maybe you got a real good spanking, whooping, beating over something you did and whatever it was that you did, you don't even wanna think about what it was that you did. Matter of fact, you don't want anyone else to think about what you did or what they did. No, I did XYZ and I got the beating in my life. And so if you even do XYZ, I'm afraid for you. That's what the Lord does. And so the spirit working with you, cause remember Paul says in Romans, he will cause all things to work for the good of those who love him. So it might be that beating I'm gonna cause or this losing your job or you getting your arm broke or this man walking out on you or this woman cheating or all those things. I'm gonna cause it to work for the good to those who love me. I'm gonna work in it, but it's got because what did he say in Ezekiel? When I put my spirit in you, I'm gonna cause you to walk in my teachings. What did Jeremiah say that I put the fear of you, a fear of me in you? So those things are going to happen. Those things are going to happen. What'd you say dispensations and Calvinists need? Why would you say that? That dispensations and Calvinists need a spanking. Why? I'm not, I'm not falling. Why would dispensations and Calvinists need a spanking? By the way, you're a dispensationalist. I got slavery beat down. Yeah. Anybody know the slavery beat down? You had to beat like you were a slave. I know what that's like. I had a grandmother who would say, she said, I beat your back and she meant to beat you. These little orange flexible little race car tracks and would literally beat our backs. Can you break down Romans 11 21? This is starting to a Q and A hadn't it. Romans 11 21. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he may not spare you either. Okay, cool. Good question. Well, first of all, the natural branches are the destination of Israel and he has cut off many in that branch. Why? Was always been part of what he planned on doing, which is to bring in the Gentiles. We never understood how it was going to quite work, but he did say that he is going to cause them to be jealous by us. And once that's through with, as Paul determined calls the time of the Gentiles or when the fullness of it is done, when this time of the Gentiles over with, then he's going to start back doing with him. However, you could be cut off, not really thinking that you're part of it, not really being part of it. If you are the exact same way that Israel is or was, prideful, arrogant. Have you met a Christian who is so arrogant, so prideful that they are the be all to end all? Kind of hard to be a Christian that way, isn't it? Jesus says that unless your righteousness subscribes, I mean surpasses that of the scribes and the Pharisees, you will no way enter the kingdom of heaven. Well, what was their righteousness like? Based on what I'm doing, which by the way is a warning. If your righteousness, meaning if you are right, if you were in right standing with the Lord, just like how the Jews were, the scribes and the Pharisees, you can't be saved. What was their righteousness based off of? One, their nationality, two, their works. So those of you that believe that you are working to keep your salvation, be careful. Be careful, because if that's, because there's a thin line, guys, I want you to hear me. There's a thin line in trying to be, trying to be holy in and of yourself, working cross over into you being so self-righteous and you are the one that's keeping yourself up. Again, I thank God I'm not like that person. I don't do those kinds of things. I'm this, I'm that. Be careful, because if your righteousness is like that, then you will no way enter the kingdom of God. That's what, that's the issue with them. Their pride got them going and what does, and how does God identify them? He said that they didn't believe in the first place. They were, they were unbelieving. Now you can be knowing, they were knowing just like there are a lot of folks who are claiming to be saved, who think they're believing, but what they really are, they're just knowing. There's a difference between knowing and believing. Amen. All right, let's take a few more questions and then the old man got asked to get out. I got to, I have to do some things, guys. Let me just tell you this. I won't tell you where. I will not tell you guys where I may tell you, I may tell you later, but I will not tell you right now. I'ma come to you, Isaiah 53, but I've got to do some stuff. I am, I've got some things settling down now and so going back to my seminary studies is about that time. So, got some things I got to do. Got some things I got to do in the next few days. It's going to be hectic. It's going to be hectic. Where's the guy that insulted Calvinist and dispensationalist? Where are you? I need to, did you ever respond to my question? I'm not, I'm not going to beat you up either. I just want to know. But Isaiah 53.6 says, kind of refu, doesn't Luke 10, 20 kind of refute one saved always saved because Jesus says to the 70 rejoice where your names are written in heaven, but Judas was a part of those 70. No, all right. That's a good point though. That is a good point. Let's go to Luke 10, 20. Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this that the spirits are subject to you but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven. Now, is that to say that all of them are? I wouldn't take it as that way. I would not take it that way. Now, by the way, the 70, better saying this, the 12 and the 70 are different. The disciples in the 70 are different. So they come back and they're like, hey man, listen, even the demons are subject to us. Now, is this to be taken as that? Why is my chair leaning like this? That all of them, I don't know so, but what he's saying is rejoice that your name is written. That's what you should rejoice in, that the spirit don't rejoice that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written. Wait a second, because your names are written. Why is this? Oh, okay. So now, if your names have been written, we don't have a pastor to tell us that their names have been blotted out or will be blotted out or can be blotted out. Are you with me? So it would be to make it say more than what it actually says, to say that Judas' name was, matter of fact, let's just read the whole thing. Let's see, let's start in verse one. Where is it at verse one? After these things, the Lord appointed 70 others also. So 70 others is not the 12. Are you with me? So he appoints, obviously he's already got his, the disciples. And then what does he do? He appoints 70 others. Cameron, are you, are you with me? Cameron, Cameron's with you. Cameron always does that. I was talking to my former pastor's daughter. Someone said to me, thank you, Skilly Childs, 86. I appreciate that, thank you for the super chat. Someone has said, core, you sound like, like Pastor Bowman, like Dr. Bowman. And I was looking at myself and I said, you know what, there are some things that he says that I now say, are you with me? That was one of those things. I never said that until then. There are multiple books in heaven. There are multiple books in heaven, okay? Now, we don't know how many there are. We don't know how many there are. CH just wants, he just wants to make this point that God, that Jesus didn't choose a 70. It literally says this, where they're pointing here right here guys, literally means that he's appointed or chosen these 70. So, I would like for you to get your, you're understanding a little bit better. It's like he came to argue, which is fine, that's fine. I appreciate that, listen, it keeps you sharp, keeps us sharp, no problem. All right guys, one more question. One more question and then we will move. We gotta get ready for this. Come to the Bible study class. Come to the Bible study class. Let me type in something real quick. I'm gonna do something real quick. I'm looking at something really quick. Guys, I'm trying to lie this a little further. Come on, Mr. Oh, let's see. Okay, all right. I just wanna, I'm sorry, I had to look at something real quick. All right, let me take one last question and then Bible study tomorrow here at 11 a.m. central time, 12 p.m. eastern time. 10 a.m. west coast, 11, no, no, no, no. 9 a.m. west coast, yeah. 10 a.m. mountain, let me get this straight. I didn't answer your question. Wait a sec, I did answer your question. BJ? Yeah, I answered this question. Is sanctification synergistic or monogistic? And I said both. We are working with him, but ultimately what we do in him in working on our sanctification is him doing the guiding. He will cause us. And so there's a little bit of freedom in that, but there's this Holy Spirit working in us, convicting us, moving in us, leading us, speaking to us, all those things. And then if we say, let me, I hear what you're saying, but let me try this and then, okay, we'll find and you get spanked and you get brought back and you know you're his son because he chastised you. Yeah, I thought, okay. So I did answer that question. I just wanna make sure why would Calvinism give you a heart attack? Oh, why did he, this is Jesus, if I'm correct, this is, I think one of his other day. Jesus is speaking to these Jews, these Pharisees, these horrible Jews, and the kingdom will be taken from you and given to another nation, a more righteous nation, which will also include the Gentiles. And so that's what that is speaking of. Answer mine, please, okay. I gotta write that down. Okay, your question was, okay, it's a good question. It's a good question to end on. What if you're doubting if you are genuinely a Christian? By the way, it can happen. What if you are doubting if you are genuinely a Christian? Well, there's a couple of things that can cause that. One, it could be sin. Well, and if sin is causing you doubt, that's a good thing because if you're not safe, it's doubtful that you're gonna have that kind of sin that's gonna make you wonder back. If you are safe, sin bothers the one who's at home in your heart. That's the Holy Spirit. So that's a good thing. Now, just because you didn't melt, that doesn't necessarily mean that you are safe because you can sin, be bothered, and then not be safe, like Judas, like we were talking about earlier. If you are doubting, here's the question. You know what it means to be as a Christian? You know that you place your faith in Christ. All you have to do to be safe. And this is what it means to place your faith in Christ. What it means to place your faith in Christ is you trust in Him. Now, sometimes you're gonna have to give yourself a little push, a little bit of help. How you do so? And by trusting means that you just can just kind of relax, keep your feet up like I, and I use my favorite analogy guys, that you've heard of before, of just relaxing, trusting this chair. I sit in this chair, I can twirl around in this chair if I want to, I can keep my feet up, I can do whatever I want to because I believe that this chair is gonna sustain me. That's trust. Now, it's an inanimate object, but I still trust it. I'm not bracing my, I don't have a wide base holding on to the desk because I'm not sure if it's gonna keep holding me. That's not what I'm doing. I trust it implicitly. I know that this chair can hold me. Matter of fact, if one of my kids want to come sit in my lap, the grandkids would have you. I believe the chair will hold me. And because I've got confidence in this chair, you know what I do? I start typing, I start doing work over here, over here I start doing things. And where I may just get bored, drink some coffee and watch a movie on one of the, on the screen, right? How you could make yourself have some more confidence and trust in this, what you can do. Help a God out, so to speak. Help God out, so to speak. Read his word. Read his word. Because you need something to have faith in. You need something to have trust in. And then what you can also do is you can turn around and start looking at what God has done in your life. When you can go back and do a start just counting the moments, counting the moments where, hey, he's done this for me, he's preserved me here, he's done that, he's done that. And he's like, wow. Come to think of it, I've got a reason to shout and praise. I've got a reason to thank God for what he has been doing in my life, even if I haven't noticed it. Because why should it have been someone else who died in a traffic accident? Not you. Why should it have been someone else who's plane crashed? Why should it have been someone else's house that was burned down or was burglarized and people got killed? Why should it have been someone else and not me? Maybe we give credit to the guy that's been watching after us. Why should you refuse to look at what he's done? Why should you look at what he's done and not think that it was his, that it was him that did it? That's how you can have some confidence that you are saved. Do you believe that Jesus Christ out on the cross for you, that you needed him to die for you because you're a sinner? You believe that? Okay, now live that way. Trust in that. Trust in that. Get closer to him, thank him. I understand there's some times where it's not gonna feel right. Listen, there are days, ugh, Christianity. Blah, blah, blah, I ain't feeling it. It's gonna happen. But so what do you do? Like Paul says, you keep pressing. You keep pressing. You keep pushing. Amen. If you need more, feel free to send me an email. I will make sure that I look out for your email. Send me an email. And BJ, send me another email so we can talk. Matter of fact, never mind, BJ. I'll reply to that email. I actually have it up. I literally have it up. I still have it up. I'm gonna reply back to you, BJ. So, I don't know if you are male or female, BM, Omega, Omega, Black Omega. Okay, Black Omega 1000. Don't know what that means, but okay. Send me an email. If you need more discussions, no problem. All right, guys, I love you so much, but it's time that I get out of here. I've got to move in. By the way, even you, CH, love you to death too. I think one day we're gonna convert you. We're gonna get you right, amen? All right, guys, God bless you. See you all tomorrow.