 Coming up on DTNS, Facebook wants to hire thousands of Europeans to create the metaverse, whatever it turns out to be. Foxconn wants to build you a car, and Apple announces new M1 chips and MacBook Pros for them to go inside. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, October 18th, 2021 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. From Lovely Cleveland, I'm Rich Trafalino. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Oh, and it's an Apple announcement day, which means we have Nika Monford with us. Hey, Nika. Hello. Hello. Glad to be here. Glad to talk some Apple announcement. And of course, Nika, one of the hosts of the Snap OS podcast, the other one, Terence Gaines, AKA Brother Tech. Welcome back, Terence. How's everybody going out there? We're doing good. We're doing good. We were just having a good conversation about what laptops we may or may not have bought already. The chips that go inside them. If you want that wider conversation, Roger was doing a really good explanation of the RAM and the bandwidth effects and the chips. Get our expanded show, Good Day Internet. Become a member at Patreon.com slash DTNS. Yes, you can join other top patrons like Tony Glass, Philip Less, and Daniel Dorado. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. A joint cybersecurity advisory from the FBI, NSA, CISA and the EPA disclosed that in March, July and August, seemingly unrelated ransomware organizations hit water and waste treatment facilities in Nevada, Maine and California, respectively. Got all that. These attacks led to file encryption at all sites with one facility seeing a SCADA industrial equipment computer corrupted. The advisory caution, this does not represent an uptick in cyber activity against the water system. Following Reuters report on Amazon's program of copying products in India, a bipartisan group of five members of the US House Judiciary Committee sent a letter to Amazon CEO Andy Jassy accusing Amazon of misleading or possibly even lying to Congress about Amazon's business practices. Amazon now has until November 1st to provide a sworn response to clarify how it uses seller data to develop its own products and request all documents mentioned in the Reuters investigation. The tourist sites belonging to the Reval ransomware operation went offline with Reval posting on the forum XSS. It had its domains hijacked. The post said there was no sign of compromise to Reval servers, but that it was had to shut down operations anyway. Current Reval affiliates were told to contact the operators over the messaging app talks for campaign decryption keys customer service. Yeah, look at that. The automaker, Stellantis and LG Energy Solution announced a joint venture to produce EV battery cells in North America. This would see a new battery factory built and operating by Q1 2024 with an annual capacity of 40 gigawatt hours, roughly a on par with the Panasonic Tesla Gigafactory. That's over there in Sparks, Nevada. No word on a specific location for this new one, but construction should start in Q2 2022. And in related new Toyota news, Toyota announced it would invest three point four billion dollars in battery development and production in the US through the end of the decade. That includes one point three billion dollars electric vehicle battery plant expected to begin production in 2025 and further expanding in 2031. Expected watt hour production and the location of that factory are not yet known. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that Facebook internal documents say that two years ago, Facebook reduced the number of internal reviewers focused on hate speech complaints. The documents also appear to show that Facebook made other adjustments that reduce the number of complaints, making it appear that its algorithms were more successful at removing hate speech than it actually was. The documents showed algorithms actually removed between three and five percent of hate speech views. Monday, Facebook Vice President of Integrity Guy Rosen says the company doesn't focus on hate speech's existence, but how often it's seen. He rewrote he wrote that for every 10,000 views of a piece of content on Facebook, five reviews of hate speech and that the prevalence had dropped 50 percent over the past three years. OK, well, we got we got more Facebook news to go with that. So before we start talking about it, tell us what that is, Rich. Yeah, so the metaverse, you know, we kind of tease at the start of the show. It's just a buzzword for now. It means kind of whatever you want it to mean. But for Facebook, it means it's a way to inhabit a shared virtual world that it hopes to see realized in 10 to 15 years. To that end, it announced it will hire 10,000 people in Europe to help build the metaverse. A recruiting drive will take place across Europe, including France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland and Spain. Facebook has already built out an AI research out AI research in Europe, including a reality lab in Cork, a research lab in France and a partnership with the Technical University of Munich on an AI ethics research center. So, you know, culling the Europeans to build the metaverse, you know, what could what could go wrong here? Bloomberg has a really good explanation of what the metaverse is and is not because there is a definition. There's there's lots of definitions. And it feels like Facebook is championing this to kind of deflect and say, yeah, but we're future focused. We're we're building the future. My guess is they were going to hire about 10,000 AI experts in Europe anyway. Did Terence, do you feel any differently about that? Well, I'm just trying to figure out is just metaverse just another word for virtual reality or is there something more involved? Is it I mean, sure. Yes, I don't like it's whatever they want it to be. Right. I mean, the idea, I get the idea of the metaverse, which is, oh, Neil Stevenson's kryptonomicon, Neil Stevenson's Snow Crash, the ability to like have a virtual avatar that's like the real world, but it all takes place over connected, you know, internet connected devices, et cetera. I mean, I get that. But what it actually ends up being or not? I mean, nobody really knows yet. Well, and that's what kind of makes it, you know, putting it 10 to 15 years out, Facebook can at that time take that time, 10,000 people. They can do a lot of work clearly with that. And, you know, and kind of at the end of 10 to 15 years, kind of rubber stamp, whatever they have as the metaverse. And we did it. You guys, no problem. We got it. What I do think is interesting, though, is Facebook is very quick to kind of couch this as, listen, we want to create this just like the early internet was. This needs to be open. This needs to be collaborative. It's not just a Facebook thing. We need collaboration from different companies, developers. So not making it seem like this monolithic social network is creating this monolithic VR, you know, walled garden for lack of a better term. And that this is something somehow different from that. Now, you know, current, the first stabs at the metaverse kind of have been very Oculus VR focused. Yes. They have integration with third party companies like Zoom and stuff like that, which is, you know, key, I guess, for, for kind of expanding that. You know, we will see how, how much those, those bona fides actually play out, though. Nika, are you excited for the metaverse? I don't know. I'm always a bit skeptical, especially lately when it comes to Facebook and who knows what space we're going to be in in the next 10 to 15 years. So it always is kind of one of those things that I kind of, you know, couch in the back of my mind of, OK, it sounds kind of cool now. But what is this really going to look like in 10 to 15 years? How much more power is Facebook going to amass over the next 10 to 15 years? And if they're saying, you know, it's we're open sourcing, sourcing it. It's not just a Facebook thing. It's yeah, you can say that. But how proprietary if you bring in other developers or other people outsource, are you going to try and claim ownership of that? Is that still going to fall into the, you know, Facebook ecosystem of Instagram, WhatsApp or whatever else they could be building, you know, behind the scenes that they haven't announced yet? So I take it all honestly, quite skeptically. And I'll just kind of have to see, you know, how it plays out because I'm not so sure. Ask AOL and CompuServe how well their plans were 10 to 15 years later. I'm just saying, like I'm not saying the meta versus dumb or that it won't happen. I think it's great. And I think it will. And and I'm not 100 percent certain that Facebook is the one that's going to make it happen. They certainly will contribute in the early days, but a lot of time left. Yeah, definitely. All right. Well, our next story here, Foxconn is a company that's known for assembling Apple products and more. Announced three electric vehicle prototypes that it's building. The cars were developed under the Foxconn brand in cooperation with Taiwan's Yulan Motor Company, which also makes Nissan and Mitsubishi vehicles. The new EVs are sedans called the Model E and SUV called the Model C and a transit bus called, wait for it, the Model T. All the vehicles use Foxconn's MIH Consortium, open software and hardware platform. The prototypes are meant to serve as a reference design for EV brands to use to make their own cars. So some details here. The sedan was designed by Pina Ferrania Ferrania, excuse me, as a luxury model with 750 horsepower and delivers a zero to 62 mile per hour time of 2.8 seconds, aka fast, along with a 750 kilometer range. The SUV will do zero to 62 in 3.8 seconds and cost around $35,700. Yulan will make a version available in Taiwan by 2023. And the bus will hit a top speed of 75 miles per hour with a range of 400 kilometers and include tech for things like pedestrian warnings, advanced temperature management and high crash worthiness, meaning in the event of a crash, there'll be fewer injuries as a result. The bus is supposed to be on the road as early as next year. Foxconn plans to build plants to make the vehicles near where they are sold. It hopes to announce European plants soon. Plants to build some in the US as well, including acquiring a plant in Lordstown, Ohio, where it will build Fisker EVs by late 2023. They're going to be doing that after they're also going to be building the Lordstown electric truck there, or Lordstown motor motors electric truck there as well. But, you know, certainly a good news and kind of in my neck of the woods for that plant to be seeing some continued usage. But yeah, Foxconn cars kind of an interesting new direction for, you know, a company we think of making consumer electronics. We all have Foxconn phones. They're just called iPhones. We don't know it. Yeah. Right. So, you know, I think this is incredibly smart of Foxconn to be like, hey, you know what we're good at working with clients to create efficient, high quality products. It's been consumer electronics for the most part up until now. But it could also be cars. And so again, they've got that Foxconn brand. But I wouldn't expect to see a lot of Foxtron dealerships showing up on Van Nuys Boulevard in Los Angeles anytime soon. I'm guessing this is this is their way of saying, hey, you want to get into the car building business, maybe Apple, maybe somebody else, you know, we are we are here to help you do that. And that's what I was going to think, you know, because we're all still up in the air as far as what Apple is going to do. Are they going to make their own? Are they going to partner with somebody? Foxconn maybe putting it out there is like, look, we're going to do these trial runs with Taiwan. And we're going to be trial runs with this perinferia, whatever you whatever the name of that was. But this is trial run. So when Apple is ready to play ball, we'll let them know that we can get up and running with even plants in America. Yeah, but I guess as you know, it was made by Foxconn in the future, except maybe by that, you know, there may be like an Intel inside marketing thing of like, ah, it's built on the Foxconn platform. And so, you know, you know, it's quality when you see that Foxconn sticker on whatever car you're making. I do wonder, though, this is definitely a big pivot for Foxconn, like I don't want to undersell that or like a new market for them, for sure. But also I feel like this is a little bit of a reflection of kind of the consumer electronification of cars that we've kind of maybe maybe even a just perception as like cars as tech platforms that's kind of become the standard for how they developed, you know, Tesla kind of paved that route. And the fact that they are partnering and they're doing this with and established someone that's been making cars with major global brands in Yulan Motors. I think that smooths over a lot of the, hey, we're, you know, we focus on this consumer electronic stuff. And yeah, we don't know anything about making cars. How are we going to do this? Whereas with that partnership, they have all of that this huge amount of industrial production and technical expertise and combined with, you know, some of the has automotive manufacturing know how, you know, I don't I definitely don't think it's anything to take lightly. And if they can, you know, provide, you know, kind of this this platform to build on for smaller companies like Fisker or something like that, that could be a huge way to jumpstart different electric car brands very quickly. And I think they're just catching on the wave. I mean, pretty much every major car brand is coming out with a line of EVs, some shifting to trying to fully have their full fleet as an EV. So I think they are just trying to hedge their bets to say, hey, we want to get in this game because we see where it's going. What's the best way for us to leverage what we do to get in on some of that action? Yeah, and they can bring down the cost for other auto manufacturers, you know, for the Fords and the Hyundai's of the world. Although I know transport and transit begins with a T and a lot of languages, but really model T for your bus. Like you think there's a car company that would have an issue with that time? Historians. No, we are going to talk about the new Apple products. But real quick, if you're interested in the culinary art that is barbecue, but not sure where to start and you're a tech fan, which you obviously are because you're here, you need to listen to barbecue and tech. 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There's got to be some ways you can interact with it with with text or something, but but the idea is you don't get to manipulate it. You don't get the higher audio quality. You just say things like help me relax or play some dinner vibes or play a song. And then Siri will curate the music for you, so to speak. Well, I guess it's the popularity will only be how good Apple is in curating the music, right? Spotify is good at that. Some of these other will Spotify Pandora is like this. If the playlists are not so good, then what's the point? So we got to really see that's the determining factor for me anyway. I'm actually excited by this because one, I feel like this is a swipe almost at like satellite radio. You could pay five dollars and have streaming in your car, even if you don't want to have this overall thing, five dollars a month, very inexpensive. And it's also Amazon Music also offers basically it's like a tethered to one echo device kind of streaming music service exactly like this. But this works across anywhere you have Siri, a lot more utility for roughly the same. I don't know exactly what the price of it is very low. So they're not the only ones thinking along these lines. So I think it's it's an interesting move. It's an interesting move, as Terrence mentioned, I'm a little concerned about what the playlist is going to look like. I know on Apple Fitness Plus, some of the playlists are are interesting. So I don't know if they have the full, you know, backing of Apple Music's, you know, library to pull from, or if it's a bit more curated, similar to Apple Fitness Plus. Yeah, it is able to pull out of the whole library. That is they did say that in the announcement. So yeah, it should it shouldn't be be limited by by the same problems. But yeah, you know what, Rich, you may be right. These may be meant for people who buy the new HomePod minis and buy new, I mean, new colors, yellow, orange and blue available in November. So there you go. That happened to also got new AirPods, third gen AirPods with spatial audio, the force sensor, not tapping kind of like the pros, sweat and water resistant, new low distortion driver that can handle better at the low and the high ends, adaptive EQ, also like the pro six hours of listening on a charge five minute charge gets you an hour of listening. So some fast charging 30 hours from the case, Magsafe and wireless charging in the case. I mean, basically, these are AirPods pros, but without the custom tips on the end, and they're cheaper, $179. You can order them now, ship it next week. The second gen AirPods will stay in the channel at $129. So you have three models, AirPods Pro at the top, then AirPods, third gen and the original AirPods. I guess it's if you want all the AirPods Pro features and you're willing to give up that that custom tip and save a little money. Is that who this is for? Well, so they're offering maybe just a little bit more because the AirPods pro do not have Magsafe charging and just have the wireless charging. So if I was trying to do some math here, it's okay. Well, how do I keep my AirPods pros but still get the Magsafe kit? Is there a case, a Magsafe case available that I could buy or do I have to buy the new AirPods pros and, you know, with the Magsafe? But in addition to just the custom tips, what the AirPods pro, the AirPods 3 does not have is the active noise cancelization, which is what the custom soft silicone tips provide you is the suction to get the noise cancellation. So that's probably the major differentiator. You know, AirPods 3, no noise cancellation, AirPods Pro, active noise cancellation, and then everything else is kind of like, well, you know, price. My question is, will these pass the lawn mowing test? Can I wear these blown my lawn without having to like crank up the volume? My humble Galaxy Buds, no active noise cancellation, but they have that firm fit, like a charm, OG AirPods, doesn't work. So if the adaptive EQ, they could do some with that low distortion driver, you know, maybe. But to me, that fit is pretty important. Or get you an electric mower, which is what I got. Oh, yeah, that's definitely, yeah. They they're the volume is way less. And I think these are probably being marketed more towards people who are on either maybe the first or second gen AirPods, who maybe want to upgrade to the shorter tip, shorter case. But for me, that for the pros, it's the noise canceling, which is the really that's the that's the key thing. So you're all right, it's the noise cancellation. That's the reason to get the pros that that makes perfect sense. All right, let's get to the laptops. We'll start with the chips. Two new chips. There's the M one pro and the M one max. The M one pro has 200 gigabyte per second memory bandwidth up to 32 gigabytes of unified memory that works across the entire sock. Thirty three point seven billion transistors, a 10 core CPU. That's eight high performance cores and two efficiency cores that they say is 70 percent faster than the M one. Sixteen core GPU on the M one pro. That's twice as fast as the M one. It can do pro res acceleration in its new media engine, can handle additional Thunderbolt controllers and display engine to that can support multiple displays. We'll get into more of that when we talk about the laptops. And then there's the M one max, which basically adds more GPUs and a little more memory bandwidth, 400 gigabyte per second memory bandwidth, twice what the M one pro has. M one max can go up to 64 gigabytes of unified memory, 57 billion transistors, same 10 core CPU, eight high performance to efficiency, but up to 32 core GPU. They say it's four times faster graphics than the M one. And the media engine has twice the video encoding, not as power efficient as the M one. They did a lot of graphs, putting it in between the M one and other unidentified PC chips. As Dieter Bohn said on the verge live blog, I believe Apple is outperforming integrated graphics on Intel machines. But if Apple is this confident, it really shouldn't be afraid to show real numbers instead of those kind of like very relative graphs. Three times faster core ML than Intel Core i9 Max, though, there were a few hard numbers in there and it felt like they were really positioning these chips at video editors. Final Cut Pro five times faster for some video function, pro res transcodes 10 times faster and compressor before we get to the actual laptops and the form factors that these chips are in. What are your impressions of the chip so far? My first thought is that this is a very GPU way to scale your kind of your chip design or it's an it's an approach to GPU design as opposed to we're not going to have the hero SOC that we're going to pare down and cut parts off and we're going to ban the the silicon wafers as they come off and kind of dice them up and stuff like that. This is we're going to it's an additive, I guess, approach to kind of chip design that they're taking here. And relying on these ultra fast memory connections to kind of support passing information between the two, which is add which they're able to do very well because it's an SOC and everything's kind of integrated all together enough to there's there's less physical distance to have to send it to GPUs and stuff like that. So that to me was the kind of answer that question. I think we assumed that that was going to be the case with how they would scale the M one stuff. But interesting to see that go through as well. And as Roger pointed out, you know, AMD before the show, we were kind of talking about this AMD is kind of paved this path with a lot of their thread whippers stuff where it's this chiplet kind of design of super fast interconnects gets you to let you scale lots of cores very quickly. Now this is on an SOC. So you know, the only question is, I guess, for those ultra ultra high end workloads, the M one by all accounts, you know, perform very well across a variety of tasks, performing, you know, until I'm kind of on a on a broad spectrum, you know, there were certainly cases where it fell down or not as good on a broad spectrum of kind of activities looking good. But you know, on those ultra high end stuff, that 32 quarts still an integrated GPU, you know, they were showing about a 30 watt TDP on this, at least according to those vague murky graphs. So that would be my only question. But I'm assuming, you know, that Apple's confident with what they have. Yeah, I think they were really trying to show it was relativity relative with these graphs, how, you know, how so far down, you know, the performance is as compared to the original M one to the new M one pro and the M one max, just to kind of give, you know, people are visual, just to give you a quick visual view of how far below the standard that Apple has set with their two, well, now three chips. Derek, you got anything else to add to the chip? Well, I was I'm not a chip guy, but I definitely say that was one of the reasons why I was looking at getting a new Mac because this new chip, because I've got an older Intel i seven processor, and I don't know if you can hear it, but like said, my my fan is screaming now. So I'm definitely hoping, you know, getting an M one pro will definitely solve all my issues. And like you said, we'll get into the the pros and the cons of the max later, because a lot of people had some issues with these new Max and we'll probably get into a little bit later. Yeah, yeah. That's right, Terrence. I can hear you over my fans as well, which is why I also will be getting a new one. All right, let's talk about a MacBook Pro 14 and 16 inches. They had the raised feet that people were talking about. They have the physical keys replacing the touch bar, and they brought new ports. They're not new. They're old ports, but they brought it back. On the right side, you get the HDMI port. You get a Thunderbolt four port with USB C Thunderbolt four port and you get an SD card slot. Left side headphone jack, which has some improvements to what it could do. That was there already. Two more Thunderbolt four slash USB C ports and then a MagSafe three power slot that you can do your bringing back the old MagSafe power cord. You can still charge over the Thunderbolt ports though, if you've got one of the USB C power supplies and you want to use that instead, you can take up one of your Thunderbolt four USB C ports with that, if you want. The 14 inch can power two pro display XDRs are actually not the 14 inch, the M one pro chip can power two pro display XDRs and the M one max can do three displays and a 4K TV has a 24% thinner border. The top border is 60% thinner. And I believe this may be one of the things Terrence was alluding to earlier. There's a notch for a 1080p camera. They did not add face ID even though that not just nice and wide. The menu bar is what will be up there next to the notch and wraps around the notch. Basically the not just interrupts the menu bar. The display can do 120 Hertz pro motion refresh rates. These are mini LED screens. The solid state drive has 7.4 gigabit per second read rates twice as fast as the prior gen battery life is 17 hour video playback for the 14 inch 21 hours for the 16 inch, they can fast charge up to 50% of the battery capacity in a half an hour. And the 14 inch starts at $1,999 call $2,000 16 inch starts at $2,500. Those can go all the way up to $6,099 $6,100 if you max out the specs ordering started already, you can order them right now. The first ones were available next week, although I'm guessing the shipping dates have started to slip already. And they're available in silver and space gray. So that notch, Terrence, I saw you nodding there. Does it bug you? No, it does not bug me. But I see a lot of people battery life, who cares, you know, new chips, yeah, whatever, you know, all these other, you know, features, but it's like the notch really has been a divider for people when I mean people, the small amount of people in my Twitter, very small, loud people on Twitter. Yeah, right, the very loud people Twitter, right? But yeah, that seemed like a big deal. But again, like I said, you know, a lot of the issues are with the the the actual physical parts, like I said, with the notch and the actual ports, you know, a lot of people like hooray for the ports, touch bar went away. Everybody said thank God for that, which I'm kind of bummed. I actually used my touch bar. I actually found it very interesting, not very, let me not say integral, because that they're gonna come for you. I don't really, really, really use it, but I do use it, especially when I'm like, you know, doing light video editing with final cut. So you know, I'm a little bummed about that. But like, like you mentioned, people are really bummed out about that notch. Here's here's my prediction. Whenever the tear down happens next week or something like that, there will be the Apple has space for touch or for Face ID sensor in notch in new MacBook Pro. I may be wrong. That is my prediction. Yeah, I mean, I think any ill will of the notch and Apple kind of got in front of it was like, Hey, if you enable dark mode, you can barely see it. Hey, guys, you know, but I think all of that is forgiven by like just the fact that there are ports on this thing and you don't have to live hashtag dongle life as much anymore. The one thing that really shows that like Apple listened to, I guess, professionals or something like that. Old Apple five years ago puts an XQD card reader in there because that's the future of of card readers, you know, it's the faster card standard or something like that. SD card is by far the most common. So it makes sense. But I am I am I'm disappointed that we didn't get maybe an Apple one Upsmanship there. Why do you think they went back on the ports? Because the idea with going USB C slash Thunderbolt four for everything was eventually everything will run over those ports, power display, everything. What what made them go back and say, Well, people still need HDMI ports. People still need SD cards. People actually liked MagSafe. But that's a very unusual thing for Apple to do is to change their mind and go back and bring something back like that. I think it's what you mentioned before where they're kind of catering this this new laptop to to videographers and photographers. I think they realize that if this is who they're going to kind of make their core audience for this new device, they got to make sure they have enough ports for people to be able to plug in their cameras or their lighting or microphone or whatever the case they may need. They need to give folks the the reason to say I need to get this because now I can use all of my peripherals that I need to do this job I'm doing. Yeah, especially if you're going to tout all the video qualities of the chips, you know, the graphics, you know, all the speed and you know, the bandwidth, you know, I guess, if like me could say if they're going to cater this towards photographers, I guess they're going to have that slot to stick their SD card in. Yeah, well, and it did seem for a while that Apple was fearing towards consumer with prosumer at the top and these feel very much like they're for professionals. They are for prosumers and professionals. And so yeah, you may be right. Well, folks, what do you think? Why do you think they did it? Do you like these? Do you not like them? Feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com. Let us know what you think. All right, we want to give a special thanks to Michelle Seerju, who is one of our top lifetime supporters of DTNS. We really appreciate all those years of support. Yay. And we also want to thank Terence Gaines and Nika Montford for being on the show. It's an Apple day. 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