 so you know my dad's uh... my dad's in the hospital right and he's but he's he's he's concerned because he they've mixed uh... holy water with his laxative and he's really concerned that he's gonna start a religious movement back to our stupid raxi it's important and rick falsely scrambles more juice content is a patient full of truth and scrubs he had a leg but hey patreon you i don't know what that means but you do today we got a shuttle con interview what who's the interviewing on my show how do you turn and you pop all on the palm of your product so is he really i was joking he's doing the interviewing no no no okay it's getting interviewed got it uh... this is a two thousand seventeen films of our last time it came out uh... so might have been for a raise or something like that uh... but uh... it's actually was over his career and all that kind of stuff yeah she's really going to be so we just saw her one with uh... karen johar that's one of the strongest yeah how many of we've seen her do now she's one of the better interviewers i feel like in india i she's one of the better interviewers i've seen period especially when talking to to actors film companion your butt hot damn i feel like i've hit the film journey is jackpot three interviews in four months but it's done you can retire i don't talk about yourself about uh... my it's it normally people don't ask me too much about myself but about the film but they are similar questions is there uh... maybe so i'll i'll let me ask the question that you may ask why i don't have to answer them if you're gonna ask me is there a concerted effort that you're moving towards a different kind of cinema seeing the choices of the last three films yes and then he writes and then it's so as you're matured and i'm planning to do other rules so he is asking the questions how do you see uh... with the advent of actors shifting over to hollywood do you have any plans to do the same and you think it is in the market uh... across and make it smart like uh... because of these two young babies the fourth one is in race you're back to dark character it's a space that you have done with that and basing how different is it those two rules and do you really enjoy being the bad guy okay and if i promise not to ask you any of these then you're a superstar truly alive you have cured this is it okay let's start with race so so the gangster film is by design so morally tricky because there's a bad guy doing bad things but he's making it so sexy that we're all rooting for him and of course you have done the bad guy before but that was at the beginning of your career and now you're this global icon and yet you're making a bootlegger so sexy that we all want a bootlegger but we all know that we are like the very end of any of them are we all want it so does does that concern you at all because of where you are at now it does most certainly uh... as a matter of fact i mean this may be the first time i'm saying it okay i won't name the films but they were a couple of films which did very well at the box office people really appreciate it uh... and i was in them i said yes to them and then i realized that i am playing a real life based character who may not be the person and i told this uh... to the director that there is no way i will not make him like him and i just feel that person should not be liked i think uh... you know it's not something that i should sell to the people but it's okay being him or film is being made about him or a couple of other people and i should glorify him so i left the film last minute and it was a very clear decision in my head and i know i will make it attractive i'm not showing off but the way it was written bad guys can be very attractive and uh... i'm honestly saying this i'm not showing off but i i have a pension for bad guys i can make them very attractive uh... somehow because i think they both uh... he has an integrating quality about him that makes it something kind of common that is obsessiveness you have to be uh... possessed and obsessive to be really a devta and you have to be possessed and obsessive to be really a delinquent and i think i understand that space as an actor by my bringing whatever so i have let go of that uh... when grace came along when we became very clear that this is now uh... a study of bootlegging in a period from eighty-five to ninety-fives uh... it is kind of study of different different zones people doing it uh... it's not real it's not real having said that uh... because it's not real i'm okay doing it he's now fictional completely when you say fictional meaning over the top stylized uh... no it's not as stylized as dawn untrue he just means it's untrue it's cartoonish he's really sweet i should not say this he's really mean he kills people also this guy is strangely in a realistic world i think uh... some of the pieces that have been uh... uh... when they've done research the method of bypassing law and his competitors are very interesting and real intriguing at least to me because maybe i'm too urban uh... person i don't know this is how it happened so it's very intriguing to me uh... that being real so it's not over the top that he jumped from a flying plane and you know uh... he gets hurt, he's disturbed and his problems are quite real but he's fictional i mean there is no person that you can turn around and say and i think Raul and me have been very clear if he does something wrong there has to be payment for it there has to be retribution for it uh... by law or otherwise in our hearts we are clear that you know you're not glorifying him but you can always find moments of goodness humanity in the good one or the bad one how good is a guy like Bazi that you root for him you know at the end of it all even if it's for revenge and even if the father of the girls have been mean what he does is really it's awful it's awful, it's not right and he has mothers unwell and he goes and dies in arms but you know it's still not justifiable but you kind of root for him because at the end of it all i think the audience will realize even with race and with Don and with Bazi that there is no existence of these people and in today's time and age even more why are you glorifying bad things and yeah i've been told by my actresses, friends also sometimes just play the good guy now you're a nice person, why do you do all this i enjoy it as an actor to be honest and i have no qualms saying that it's interesting you know to just go completely and they have more layers it's weird that he has to specify that he likes playing in the background very strange the majority of the world is good but there is a minority in the world which is really bad what goes in the mind of those people is very interesting but shag you said in an interview with GQ magazine that the film was more realistic and more hating and you actually toned it down so was it toned down because you were playing this man no it was toned down at the onset only because when Rahul had written it and when we were reading it of course i'll be honest the language part has to be toned down as an actor i can't say some other things no i can't you swear in life don't you i do in moments of weakness but i can't do it i'm a very boy i swear i mean me and Vinod when we sit down we have we just speak and swear exactly but in movies i can't do it i just can't do it i mean cant even say sorry you can read this out but hindi made dog oh no way and i can't say even vishal bhagwadwaj's movies name on screen i can't say it i find it but i'm sorry i'll start blushing it is very odd for me it is very odd for me maybe the effort i've said it that's really interesting that's his wall because it was there i think some of it has to do with the stardom level maybe i don't know i'd love to talk about walls and boundaries with him because i think that's all i would guess that's all but the connotation was for a lady for me it was becoming an abuse to a woman so i remember you asked Sanjay if we were going to a movie like 9-10 takes and i'm like dushd and i used to keep smiling i have problems dushd so like a dish but do you hope Shahrukh that your films will bring change do you wish for that see you watch a film and at a very personal level they can touch you and then you can't think of things i mean they can vary from getting married after watching my film i mean a lot of couples who say they are watching your film or he proposed to me just yesterday somebody it was your book by the way i think somebody has proposed to this girl on the cover of your book and because she likes me and him so i think people can get certain kind of things that touch them or turn them around or make them think differently by certain films like a swathe it's nice here that we should run and come back and serve our country it's a good thought so through that aspect maybe the film can bring about a change in people who can then go ahead and make the changes that the film kind of propagated or talked about but as a whole it's like a book you know it's not like you read this book and the world is going to change because of it i really believe films reflect the world we live in so it can start a discussion about the world we live in the characters we play and discussion can lead to a change but on its own you know the world has changed or by seeing this all the people will go out and say this is how it should be i don't think so i don't think so i'm being honest i would love to believe it at the end of it all and when i say entertainment i don't say it in a derogatory manner you go there to just feel nice about the feeling that the film is talking about so you can feel nice about La La Land and you can feel nice about Dungal and you can feel nice about even just an over the top Iron Man and have fun the bottom line will remain as somebody famous said that movies are for entertainment postal services are for messages you know i was watching this round table you were talking about actors sitting together and talking about this so the Hollywood Reporter round table with actors and they were asked if they had ever fallen out of love with acting and Will Smith said that he actually took a two year break because he felt like he had hit a ceiling with his talent and he said i spent two years just working on myself because your work can never be better or deeper than who you are have you ever had a moment of that like feeling like you've hit a ceiling in your talent it would be quite a thing to assume that i've reached the top of my talent first or maybe not the top of that you're not moving forward in terms of you know your own talent you know when i'm part of certain films and i'm just going through the motions because you don't need to do any more than that i have enough craft to know that here i'm just going through the motions you know it's not really and not in a bad way in a bad way you have to do it like that you can't take it more seriously than it is you know and i'm doing it like that i do have like if i have a longish run like that i do feel listen i need to just move away from here for a bit i'm quieter at the end of the shoot i watch better movies i read better books and then i go and sign a film like that you know i wait for that to happen to me having said that Mr. Sunil Gavaskar once during a match years ago said the only way to get bad form or the lack of interest in trying to get it right is to get the bad balls out of the system you know just keep batting just keep batting get the bad balls out of the system and then you'll start hitting the ball that you want you want it to be hit like so i would vary from how Mr. Sunil thinks like instead of taking a break i'd just like to go and play as many balls so the bad balls are out the feeling is out get the bad films out of your system just get them out you know just keep doing it and you know about the biggest struggle now it's not a struggle i think it's an understanding is how much can i expose of the real me in a character you know that is the struggle you know when you're new and you'll notice this with newcomers who are really wonderful and you like them and you talk about them there is a strange rawness which they are not they don't know how to hide themselves you know when i came in initially my jeans were wrong my t-shirt was wrong my hair was wrong from the physicality to the emotions they were wrong but i was i didn't even know right or wrong so i just went ahead and did it sometimes i stuck a chord sometimes it didn't and even when it didn't it didn't seem wrong to a lot of people it was like it got a smile to your face like a little kid but as the craft develops i think somewhere down the line those emotions start getting subdued i just want to come back to being that rawness again it won't be low ever but can i have the guts to be myself now in scenes like there are moments in fan like when the actor talks one scene i was ashamed doing it not because it's happened to me or i've done it but it was really a new defying part of me that what would happen to me if this happened to me and yeah this would happen my ears were getting all hot and i told manishman sit in the car i was shocked i would go and i would sit in the car to see which scene of that when this guy gets angry at me i don't want to hear that part sorry yeah no i'm i'm glad you did that i felt really awkward because i am in that movie star space by profession i have been late maybe i'm not being subject to this kind of humiliation i'm like but it can happen and what would i do and if i had to i think i would end up perhaps having to do like a good show and oh it was really even now when i say it so but i liked the movie i enjoyed doing it and i'm really proud of having done it but that's just a moment can i increase that moment can i i never understood it when pitaso said that after years of painting i want to start painting like a child i thought it was a nice line to say you know but i understand that now more so my wife thinks pitaso paints like a child not in a good way but i don't know i've never taken time off so i don't know suppose i take time off and just stop that would be scary you just took five years off they were good for some scary for me don't go there no no please i won't then see how will you be a star exactly this is my only start i was reading karan's book and in which he talks about you salman and amir and he says that the khans have a controlled megalomania and you know when to use it and you know when to let go of it is that true do you guys have a controlled megalomania i would not be able to comment on amir and salman okay you said because when we meet i think we somehow meet at the same level we've known each other for 20 years so i think that part of our trapping at least visibly each other doesn't come out we just it's difficult not to be if you just ask about me i mean i have a different way of expressing it it's difficult not to start thinking special about yourself at times on days in evenings be a little more you can hide under the car about being a little more sensitive than the others or yeah i mean you say something to me and i will not you but or get back to you but it's hurt my even in normal circumstances you know maybe it doesn't follow us like if i go for a show and i want to make to wait for longer than i would or somebody doesn't understand that i'm late i always say time starts when i reach some place now that has quite a megalomania kind of thing because we would respect each other's time i know that i know that i believe that but there are days when i'm late time starts when i reach some place yeah like the day before yesterday i was reading an interview with someone who said to wait for 5 hours because at night i'm like yeah that's how i roll because even you get a little you know you live with yourself i work 18 hours with myself i'm only in an atmosphere where i don't meet normal people i'm meeting people who are make believing things you talk in a certain way you are always living some other character you have only 6-7 hours of normal day time with people out of which 4-5 hours you sleep you know so you really are out of touch at times with reality and when you're out of touch with reality then the only reality you know is yourself and you're not real you know who can be here in my place and i'm not showing off to be who i have been for 25 years in the best of ways it is very unreal you know it is unreal but you know yourself aware enough to let it go when you have to oh yes i do i try to be i think a lot of my excessive humility comes from trying to cover that up i really try to be a very humble i try to be really nice i try to be very courteous and i am most of the i mean i've got up like that too but i think sometimes i overdo it just to you know just to compensate yeah so i read Shah Rukh this amazing list you made for any man any boy who wants to date sohana you said get a job this is your list for that person get a job understand i don't like you i'm everywhere this is you'd make this list she's my princess not your conquest this is my favourite i don't mind going back to jail i will do to her i will do to you so how is this lovely girl have you also have you also have you also have you also have you also have you also have you also have you also the fact that i insane ingest means i won't do any of this you want are you going to be a really progressar father no i am you just said it to a magazine magazine everybody should know this because I'll never be able to ask I think whatever her choice would be wherever however with whoever she wants to be with I'm just gonna love the person to be really honest I mean this is just false bravado hooping in the macho father thing will scare you like you know my dad has big mustache and carries a gun you know like I was I was told by my brother in law ones that you know my mama and I are dole Lashkar a mother in law like a mother in law like a Jagat mama he's the sweet heart he's a singer and he's really really kind and sweet and I'm a great sense of humor but you'll build up on that so many a build up care and today on your show I'm breaking that build up I'm not like this at all so but still I do swear to tell me seven years ago when Savaria went up against I remember you talked in interviews and and you also of vowed to kind of destroy the competition okay you were really combative yeah and and you did it you did it to the point where these stopped local production and and I remember interviewing Michael Linton the CEO of Sony like maybe a year later and I said to him I said what did you learn from that experience and and he said we learned that you don't go up against Shahrukh Khan no matter how good your product is today are you that man who will sort of destroy competition destroy clash aggressive I think is not the word maybe you don't seem like that anymore I'm not like that I wasn't then also but I do I have a competitive spirit I can't deny that I won't be where I am if I wasn't competitive in my head but I have said this to you I think maybe in the book or somewhere that look if I'm climbing a mountain with someone I'm not gonna cheat in any which way or be underhanded in any which way to win that race and make my films with a lot of confidence that's why I do the film that I'm doing so competitive wise yes one it's unfortunate I'd be very honest you know because you make a big film now more so than before say seven years or even earlier I am somehow the leader of the battle in that film somehow not by choice or design I just happen to be you know we have big production houses Red Chilis is big Excel is big Rahul is a fine director everybody navaz is a fantastic actor but still it is led by me somehow it becomes your film it becomes a Shahrukh Khan film whether I like it I don't like it I mean I had to struggle to make clear Zindagi not my film you know that I'm not really playing the lead please don't put the pressure on this wonderful beautiful film that Gauri and Alia have made you know so I don't know how to handle that anymore so I the responsibility weighs heavy on me it's more than the competition and I just hope I don't let anyone down here because you know I work with directors who coming from a different space and I know deep down inside they want to make that 200 crore people more and they feel this is it now you know we've got that option and it's not a bad thing it's not a bad thing at all the different directors who were cameraman music director singers you know everybody hopes with this film like this is your third interview you've arrived so exactly like that a lot of people think they have arrived because they've done that what happens with that I've got this big film with a big star with a big production house it really weighs heavy on me the responsibility and I just hope I get it right for every count you know so you're feeling in the square as you like okay I hope the box office is good because somebody was thinking that I hope the particular claim is good I hope the awards are good I hope the you know overall world domination ideology some others good it has become when you are a star it does become a huge responsibility so the competitive edge is still there but in terms of delivering that responsibility I'm not gonna turn around and say I do it for this you know it's not me what's for others I'm not I'm not a social worker to be honest but somewhere I just cannot discount the fact that whoever is working like I genuinely honestly feel extremely sad that I let money show and it's got nothing to do with one can turn around and say the film didn't work for that we also knew the film is not a commercial film but I still feel 10% 20% I let it go somewhere I could have been a little more I'm more experienced maybe I should have said maybe I should have felt something maybe I should have changed something maybe I should have done something I'm just a lighter I think I did my job to the best of my capability I'm not questioning or feeling guilty but I know Manish Sharma deserved better platform when he worked with me and I'm not taking away from what he's done with but I just feel saddened by that I told you that last time it is not the destruction of who I didn't make so much it's just like he's such a good director needed and even if it did not work with me after that you know it just I just own that part so that part does get a little heavy and I want you know it's a strange amount of goodness in a megalomaniacal movie star who self-obsessed that listen I hope it just goes right for everybody the actors other two actors three actors everyone there's a lot of people in this film here in every film so it's not like a producer it's just like the guy who unfortunately has been chosen to be the leader I wish I did not have to leave I really really wish sometimes you know every time I work with a bigger director named person I'm like I hope it's about him or how it's not about me I just want to come and I but it doesn't remain so this is an affiliated job that I have to bear the responsibility you gotta look after everyone in your head at least in my head and in my heart yeah I don't have to say I can't say I think all of us are equal working on a film I'm the least talented sometimes on a set sometimes I'm the most peppered sometimes I'm the most looked after sometimes I'm really good at what I'm doing but at the end of it all without perhaps wanting to be so it is difficult being the person who just suddenly gets the one to be looked up and is very sweet you know sometimes film is being made and everybody else is like so they're even trying to make me feel nice that everything is working and I know I know all this I that's why I'm beginning with detached from my films you know I just need to move away I don't even watch my films now the complete product I'm like let me just move away because I can't get so into it then it starts playing on my mind because at the end of it all I'm just an actor I just need to go and do whatever I can do to the best of my capability be myself as an actor so it does get you know some some friends are the in all sometimes you expect your name so I'm so I want to do that I feel I want to do that but in you can't avoid it at times so yeah so the competition is to make sure that everybody else gains what they set out to gain in a nice way from the film that I'm about. Well good luck. Thank you. Thank you so much. You are it now you made it I just want to tell you on film companion Anupama Chopra has arrived. This was a third interview with me on the three months amazing you know I would give an Oscar for this achievement lifetime achievement what goes to Anupama Chopra on film companion for getting three interviews with me after 20 years I mean God she's and listen I didn't ask the questions that you didn't even ask me the question she's the Will Smith of world cinema right now. Are you hinting that I should take a two year break? I'm the Will Smith. Long up. Come back and interview Sahaana now. Yeah maybe her children from the guy who was going to read all this and not date her. Thank you. It's all the best. I like coming on roundtables it makes me feel important. Not really. I see all roundtable discussions and all that and I've never been on one of them but I did enjoy it. You make me feel very important because of the roundtables. The square ones make you feel very important. The square ones make you feel you're not such a big star in an action. Now they make you feel just some serious acting. Thank you. Okay now I'm incapable of asking anything. No you can't please. Thank you. Hi everybody this is Shah Rukh Khan on film companion. I feel so bad for stars of his status sometimes because there's so many things that they have to deal with as opposed to just being whatever their profession is. Actors obviously are usually bigger ones because they're the faces right. But sometimes when you're I mean nobody else is really at Shah Rukh Khan's level but when you're at that level it's like you're saying he can't just be an actor. If the film fails it's a Shah Rukh Khan fail. Right even if he has a small role like he did in the one with Ali. Yeah he was in Dougie. It's actually very and I've equated him many times the closest we have to a Bollywood actor is Johnny Daff especially now here in Hollywood. He hasn't watched his films since millennia. Yeah but that hasn't for different reasons though. He hasn't because he hates himself. Right. And he doesn't like his acting abilities. But I bet it's similar also because obviously for a while Johnny was the biggest star in the world in Hollywood land. And if it was a failure it was a Johnny Depp failure. Johnny Depp's next film it will be if it fails it will be a Johnny Depp failure. Johnny Depp's comeback is a failure. The rest he's actually playing King Louis or some King of France or something like that. But yeah I just feel so bad sometimes because they can't be just what they want to be because there's so much else going on that has nothing to really do with them or their talent. Sure sure. And he is he is the most interesting and his perspective on acting and movies. I've never heard anybody talk about film and acting and the approach to it the way he does. He has he has there's some things he talks about that resonate with me completely on the way that I view cinema and acting. And then there's other things he says that I am in complete and total contradiction and opposition. But I understand where he's coming from. I don't I don't agree with that take. But that's not that's just my personal opinion. That's that's his personal opinion. And I would love. I could. The idea of like sitting down with. A whole evening with just some beers and some snacks and just talk acting around the table with him. And I'm thinking of everybody who has completely different approaches. Nasir Nawaz Nawaz and Nasir are pretty similar. Pankaj Radhika. I have just this round table of like eight or nine. Yeah. Have eight or nine and talk about the totality of what they do. And how much of it impacts them with the core being actor. But then there's all of those other things that go with it because he's you're right and he's right as big as all those other names are there's nothing he can do. If he's going to appear in a film it's an SRK film even if it's a tiny tiny role. And he's he seems to be very. OK with just making choices based on entertainment value. Not artistic level or storytelling capacity. It's entertainment is his primary goal. Things that we might disagree with his because it's a completely different industry that he came into. Oh yeah. And obviously his stardom is at a different strata. Yeah it's a very very different world. And so he has to look at it unfortunately at least in my eyes sometimes differently than just an actor would. Yeah. Yeah so look at it because if he doesn't make a certain amount he's not a star anymore. Yeah but that's the thing he could he could go Daniel Day Lewis and say don't give a crap about anything but the acting I'm making one film over five years if I feel like it by I'm doing my film and then no one will know where I am. Yeah but if that film makes barely anything. Who's he's no longer. That's my point. Yeah. He the choice is still there and he feels a great. He clearly feels an incredible burden in carrying that and it was a great question about how much of that. She didn't phrase it this way but it is inherent in the question is how much of what drives him is megalomania. Is it because it's driven by values or is it driven by. The what. Yeah that's the word. Yeah great the VNV is how much of it is this is truly what I value or is this truly what I don't want to lose in terms of and I think it's a he's a beautiful mix because he's an extremely intelligent man. And I think it's a I think he's a strange mix and complexity of both. I think he simultaneously has some very unique values who would who would place entertainment above artistry that other actors would never do. Yet at the same time he he cares about artistry but not so much as he cares about what his fans think because he doesn't want to disappoint them and I think he has this mixture of at night I don't want to disappoint the fans but I also don't want to fail as an actor. I think a lot of it that that would help the Indian industry as a whole is the fact that if they were more like Hollywood in terms of audiences views of collections of films. Right the view of the box office like we've said a thousand times we don't give two shits outside of oh I'm glad this was making money so whatever not like when a film opens that's supposed to be a big and it's like bad. Like it's not making a lot of money and so everybody deems it right right success. No exactly it's a good film. No like there's there's actors that we're just it's a good film. I don't care what I don't even know what it may know there's actors there's actors that have done films and seen the final project and thought this is absolute garbage and the film did well and they didn't sleep. Really well that night because though the movie did well they themselves were very disappointed in the artistry and that's not just for actors it's directors as well. I mean then there's other films that they're very proud of that didn't do well in the box office and they could give two rats asses about the box office. I think it would help a lot if they didn't have that burden of yeah my film needs to make a certain amount or it's deemed bad. Correct a failure because there is a similarity in the fact that both industries as is all industries are the entertainment business. Yeah it's it's it's show business so you do want to make money on your film primarily so that you can make more films that you want to make but. It's more primarily about the fact that the audience plays such a high importance on what a film makes. Well yeah and that importance level isn't just see for us the box office is the number of eyeballs that have seen it and you want them to see it. Whereas the other side of that equation which is a lot of the Indian audience for films is this movie's good because it had box office. I could tell you a good example right now of this box office means absolutely nothing Jurassic World's making plenty of goddamn money. And that is an absolutely terrible film. Nobody's saying oh it's made so much money see how good it is. No that won't get nominated for anything. Everybody's saying no one's even mentioning box office because no one cares like I said. No everybody just like this is not good. No everybody that I have relationship with is like yeah except Alexis and Michael were like yeah I had a good time because they went with friends and just were there to enjoy nothing and just have their brains you know but dribble producers have such an easier time because audiences here do not care. The only time you're going to know is when like Entertainment Weekly post this movie made this much. And when it matters like you know what matters to me I knew I could tell from the buzz and the quality of the film that Maverick was going to be Cruz's first one billion dollar film and it is it's now hit the one billion mark. You know what makes me happy about that one I root for Tom Cruz I really like him I know he loves movies and I think he's a talented man. The other thing though the most important thing about that number for me is every single one of those dollars means eyeballs and I want everybody to see that movie because it's a great movie it's a lot of fun. I just think it weighs on the stars. It does and it especially weighs because he's not just talking about his status. His films impact his industry and if his films don't do well his industry doesn't do well. Such a such a difference between the two industries. Yeah the closest like I mentioned Tom Cruz a lot because Tom Cruz is paramount pictures so that level of responsibility. It's why he had his meltdown he did on Mission Impossible about masks is he carries the weight of an entire studio and a huge segment of the entertainment industry and that's very few people have that. Yeah great interview great interview. I always enjoyed listening to him. I hope I can listen to him in person one day. Yep. The next shovel con film down below.