 But Microsoft Game Division for a while now he only answers to the CEO at Microsoft he is the man the myth the legend I guess for some obviously I don't think most people consider him on like Satoruawata Miyamoto level stuff like that people over at Sony as well but he is like it or not the leader of Xbox and he had some interesting things to say because he destroyed fanboys I mean absolutely eviscerated them and he's not just talking about fanboys of PlayStation and Nintendo he's talking fanboys of Xbox to you addresses all of it in fact he says if nothing else it's fanboys that are gonna make him leave the industry which in hindsight that's kind of a comment that is only gonna fuel the PlayStation fanboys as they try to dry Phil Spencer from the market but I think he's more concerned with the fanboys on his side of the fence who really knows but let's let's let's get into the question here because he did an interview with the Verge and they said you mentioned people lining up there's all these cultural things that happen at a console launch people line up and then there's waves of unboxings then one thing that mystifies me is there's a wave of people who run over the new Xbox with their car and smash it with a hammer what goes through your head when the inevitable people smash my new console is happening and the next phone call is with your retail partners to figure out how you can get them more he Phil Spencer says to be honest I love the industry I'm in this is the job I love my wife will tell me it's the only job I'm qualified for but this is definitely the job I love but that tribalism in the industry if there was anything that would ever drive me out of the industry it's actually that what you're talking about it's kind of weird because he gets into this with very minimal probing but it definitely cares about it I look at shipping a product shipping a game as one of the bravest things the team can do you put your product out there it gets analyzed and prodded and reviewed it can't defend itself it's an inanimate object you can't go to the internet and defend it we've seen that way too many times that never works when a team releases something into the market for the world to tear it apart on the internet it's just such a brave thing for the team to do I'm never going to vote against any creative team or any product team to do poorly because I have a competitive product it's not in me I don't actually think it helps us in the long run in the industry but especially in the console space there's like a core of the core that have I think taken it to the destructive level of I really want to want to fail so the thing I bought succeeds I'm saying on both sides I'm not saying that's all people crushing Xboxes and everybody that loves Xboxes always completely inviting to all the PlayStation stuff I've said before that I find it distasteful but maybe that is too light I just really despise it I don't think we have to see others fail in order for us to achieve the goals that's not something that kind of kumbaya thing it's actually real we're in the entertainment business the biggest competitor we have is apathy over the products and services in games that we build we see that today everybody is doing well in the industry right now for the most part with the stay at home and the surge that's what we've be focused on as an industry we've done it with things like cross play and other things that we focused on breaking some of those tropes but there is a core that really just hates the other consumer product man that's just so off-putting to me again maybe that word is probably too light to me it's one of the worst things about our industry then the verge goes on to say I always tell our team that rooting for failure is just a bad place to be you should root for success it makes you happier Phil Spencer said I've said it before it's not a too may enter one may leave scenario could you imagine if you were a director of a movie and you wanted another movie to be so bad so that people would maybe directors do that but and then the verge says I feel like there are some directors that do that for sure then they laugh Phil Spencer goes on to say maybe they do I could see maybe I don't know in the end we know there are millions and millions of people that are going to end up with a switch a PlayStation and an Xbox in their home those are great customers they're going to buy the games they want on the platforms where their friends are or where the exclusives are whatever it is it's not a world where in order for us to win Sony has to lose or Nintendo has to lose or Steam has to lose or something if it is it's not really Microsoft business what I mean by that is Microsoft has this perspective I mean you look at our market cap you look at the businesses we aspire to go be I can't target Microsoft and say hey the board of Microsoft our enemy is the Sony company we should go take them out it's not even in our vocabulary to talk about Sony that way they're a partner of ours frankly in a lot of different places our ambition has to be a global business that's growing that's going through transformation where Microsoft has some real opportunity to help with that transformation and play an important role that's how we frame our opportunity in gaming and then the verge has to launch a console you don't need you don't just need hardware you obviously need big games Sony launched the PlayStation 5 with Spider-Man Miles Morales and Astros Playroom which take full advantage of the advanced haptics on its new controller I asked Phil how he thinks about the role the titles play in the launch of these systems and how he feels about Halo Infinite being delayed to 2021 he was on to say we were very public about Halo Infinite and our desire to have Halo at launch I do think there's some great launch games that are there to go play they maybe get lost in the dialogue about who's got the better launch lineup which is a downside I'm playing a lot of Tetris Effect with my friend it's a Gucci and the team and it's awesome we wanted Halo at launch we thought it would have been a real cultural moment for us as X at Xbox the last time we had done that was with the original Xbox and Halo CE from a business standpoint I'm selling every console I can build it's hard for me to point out how I would be selling more consoles today I wouldn't be there's also a fan promise that that's not lost on me that people want to see new great games that play on their new platform that they purchase that's a commitment that we believe in we've made huge investments in our first-party games and growing the amount of games that we can build that can be special on Xbox that can be there for our Xbox fans so they feel like they have made the right purchase Halo was a miss on our part we couldn't change we wouldn't change the decision based on the right game a healthy situation for the team and how they're working absolutely it's something that we had planned for Bonnie Ross who runs the studio and I to have Halo there in the long run I think what's going to happen is we're going to get a better Halo game at a good time when people can actually get a console I feel good about that I think the game will be better for the time that we're giving it I'm incredibly excited about the lineup not only of Xbox game studios but we've obviously announced our intent to acquire Xenomax and Starfield and great games that Todd Howard and the team are working on that people are going to go play on their Xbox I feel good real good the best I've felt about our roadmap but yeah I would have been really great to have Halo at launch and the interview goes on to touch on a great number of topics including Phil Spencer's rise from you know the bottom rung all the way up to where he is today going through three different CEOs including one of the founders of Microsoft and Bill Gates so it's really interesting and a really nice read one of the better interviews I think I've seen a Phil Spencer that covers such a wide array of topics and Phil Spencer for those that don't know he's such a willing conversationalist he will talk and talk and talk passionately about video games for hours on end because he legitimately cares about this industry we have talked about you know how maybe we miss Satura Iwata at Nintendo because obviously he was a gamer a game developer first and then he became a businessman last and you know has that the famous line out there about that that he popped off at an award ceremony or at a conference I should say but the thing is it's not really about that like when we lost him and you know got replaced with a couple others now we're on Furukawa who is more on the business side of things more on the money management side of things not really necessarily a gamer Furukawa was not necessarily a video game developer at all like not even necessarily he's just not we're left with a Nintendo that that while it's doing fantastic in the marketplace also almost feels like there's not a head of the snake like Satura Iwata was very much the head of Nintendo at the time you know Reggie Feasley was very much the head of Nintendo of America at the time whereas Doug Bowser and Chitura Furukawa are more in the background Doug Bowser comes out you know from the cracks here and there but in general these guys are in the background doing their jobs versus trying to be these figureheads that passionately care about gaming and the same is basically true over at Sony now ever since the former CEO stepped down that was passionate about games I'm not saying the new guy in charge isn't passionate about games but he's not like at the forefront of people's minds he's not you know the person you think if you don't think PlayStation and then associate it with the CEO like you used to like you used to do with Nintendo but it's almost impossible to think about Xbox and Microsoft and the Xbox Game Division and all that stuff without first they're saying hey that's Phil Spencer right now like he hasn't always ran the show but he runs it now and he is someone who passionately cares about this industry in the whole remember he once said that Nintendo is a treasure that the industry should preserve if a time comes obviously that Nintendo ever does falter to the point that it needs to be protected so it's not bought up by some company that's gonna run them into the ground and that's obviously an extenuating circumstances unlikely to occur but it's just crazy awesome to see a leader of a company and I get it you Sony fans out there some of you in particular that he's actually talking about are going to be all over Phil Spencer on these comments and that's fine I think Phil knows that I think Phil is just pointing out that fanboy ism is toxic fanboy ism doesn't serve anyone good and none of the three companies should be looking at each other as I need to do something so this other system doesn't do well to make ours do well and I don't think they view it that way obviously there are some decisions that are made there was internal discussions he talks in this interview but internal discussions about releasing two different platforms of two different price points and and one of the key points brought up you know is that Sony's not going to do this clearly they are consider the competition because they are a business but just because they make considerations and decisions maybe based around what other companies might may or may not be doing doesn't mean they're doing that to put those companies down it's more like they're trying to position themselves in the marketplace to be successful that's not like they thought oh you know if we do this and we release a $300 system we're gonna crush PlayStation 5 like no they knew PlayStation 5 was gonna do well obviously switch is already doing well they don't want these platforms to do bad the wide diversity growing gaming market is good for everyone including gamers especially gamers because we get a wide more a bigger variety of games that end up performing well so honestly uh kudos to you Phil Spencer thank you so much uh you know most others aren't willing to talk about this especially at the corporate level it's nice to know the person who runs Microsoft is very much against the toxic fanboy culture that exists and hey I'm not going to sit here and pretend I haven't been part of that toxic culture at times we I think deep down many of us as gamers have participated knowingly or unknowingly in part of that toxic culture uh and obviously as a youtuber you know anytime that a negative piece of news comes out about Sony about Microsoft about Nintendo it feels like and I say this as someone putting the video out it almost feels like I'm contributing to that toxicity when really I'm just talking about things that I think could get better or should be done better or should be done differently rather than me saying f these companies f that company like not everyone can do things better anyways I'm Nathan Robodance from the center prime thank you so much for tuning in and I'll catch you in the next video