 Alright, so here we are in the city. We're gonna be talking to people about the dog meat trade The only exception is we're not actually talking about the practices in the dog meat trade We'll be talking about UK pork industry practices And we're gonna see if we put a dog in place of the pig whether they actually oppose the meat industry. Let's do it You're an animal lover. Yeah, okay. Well, is anyone here a vegetarian before we start? Okay, okay, cool. So I'm gonna tell you some practices that happen in the dog meat trade I want to get your responses like your reactions to it So what they do is they take like a male dog and they like they take the dog's semen and they Inject it forcibly into like a female dog so that she produces puppies Then they keep them in these crates while they're their puppies are feeding from them and now the puppies all around them Sometimes they can like crush their own puppies and they bite to get out of this cage And it's really cruel and then they'll get the puppies and they'll snip their tails off and their teeth without anesthetic And they'll cut their testicles out. It's really horrible because they don't want them breeding the dog meat farmer might smack The puppies heads on the ground if they're not growing fast enough So blunt force trauma Sometimes a dog would want to come out of the cage and like would be biting at the cage going a bit mad And then they'll send these puppies off to be Fattened for their flesh to stun them. They stun them in this big gas chamber thing They put them in a cage and drop them down into co2 gas and they scream and thrash and Really horrible stab them in the throat afterwards drain them of blood and turn them into like Meat patties or little dog bacon and stuff like that. So what do you think about? It shouldn't be happening Why did it make dogs just to kill them they're breeding them for the purpose of eating them So what do you think about that? Do you would you disgusting? Kidnap loads of like street dogs, and then they like send them to Burma to get eaten out at China It's horrible. Yeah, it's both got dogs. Okay, so you wouldn't want that to happen to your dog Wait, what do they do like what who sell in that then just people who well So people who consume dog flesh are paying for these practices to happen. Oh, right People are like a one dog and stuff. Yeah, they just want it like a dog meat sandwich or whatever Yeah, yeah, and the gas chambers they like burn the dog's eyes and mouth And it's not like even like a can't just like swift kill They're just like it's basically torture pretty much Some of them are actually electrically stunned and stabbed in the throat. So yeah You wouldn't eat dog meat probably not no the people who are funding this like to eat the dog meat Would you say they're responsible for this and do you think it's like bad to support something like that? Yeah So someone were to buy the dog meat and if you knew about the industry You'd say like now stop buying the dog meat I don't know. I feel like some of them wouldn't know because the way we buy like chicken for example I don't know where it's come from or okay. What the like the process that I've got in it So I think some people might not know so if you don't know but if you when you do know then you should like not buy it I'm not buy it obviously because it's disgusting. I wouldn't be polite about it. No, it wouldn't be polite You'd be unapologetic If you knew what were happening as well and then they carried on doing it anyway There's no excuse really yeah because dogs are like sentient beings. They feel pain. They don't want to die They're intelligent, you know, what if someone said well, we need dogs for protein and all of that Find something else to eat Okay, TT I want to tell you that everything I told you just then doesn't happen to dogs It actually happens to pigs in the UK. Oh shit. Oh come out there, I mean Yeah, it's bad, but I don't know pigs in the UK. Yeah, so like the normal like pork we get from the shops This is what happens to them. Oh It's like illegal now these are legal practices in the UK Sometimes also what they do to piglets that aren't growing fast enough as they grab them by the hind legs and hit their head on The ground like blunt force trauma Okay, well, so that's the reason I became vegetarian I watched your documentary I think we would cost 30 or something and watch it on Netflix and Actually standard practice for piglets pigs and piglets and mother mother sales and 86% of pigs in the England and Wales actually killed in the gas chambers. It's not really dogs So it's just like a thing to stop it. So basically we're talking about like people Funding an industry that harms animals I'm just trying to get people to like think about the animals They eat how they're no different to dogs because most people would be against the dog meat trade But they're paying for these horrible practices to happen to like pigs and cows and chickens And you know how I said like the people who buy the dog meat are paying for it to happen Yeah, yeah, same analogy applies How does that make you feel like I just explained to you the pork industry in the UK? There's nothing to do with dogs You still feel bad about it It's just as bad, but I guess it's different because People see dogs Inside the pig's eyes and inside the dog's eyes they probably they both suffer the same And the bird's eyes as well the chickens they get put in fact like most chickens here a factory farm like over 90% and Over 90% of pigs are factory farmed here So they're all suffering and you know like you said you would oppose someone paying for that to happen in the dog meat industry What about like would you oppose someone paying for these industries that harm these other animals as well? I think it's just disgusting whatever animal it is Because at the end of the day we're animals like if we were born in different circumstances It sounds dumb, but if humans were like pigs for example's we wouldn't want this happening to us If it was a dog you would you would oppose it if it's a pig I'm still opposed to it. I still feel like you know free range just a way to go You know I mean but yeah free range pigs are also gas chamber than that. Yeah So it's are you sure 86% of all pigs in the UK and Wales are killed in gas chambers I mean I rescued my chickens from battery farming, so I completely think it's disgusting So you don't eat you don't eat any any animals then I do Are you do are you a meat eater by any chance? I barely eat meat like I'm really cutting it down Is that shocking to like be unapologetically opposed to something like if I was eating dogs You'd be like you wouldn't be polite to me about it But like all these other animals that people eat This is why we're trying to reach people all these other animals people eat if I was unpolite to say you were eating bacon And I was like look you're causing this cruelty stop it and you'd be like that was a bit a bit rude But like do you see how there's like a double standard a little bit and it's not even about being vegetarian It's just about treating them better Yeah, so if we treat the dogs better It's okay to kill them for their flesh if we have like a vegan option Yeah, I'm a vegan so I don't use any animal products because all of these industries dairy eggs Vegans a lot. Yeah, I couldn't do it, but Well, my mom wouldn't be vegetarian so she'd have to cook separate meals or things I guess I could do it when I'm older The only reason I still eat meat is because like my dad I live with him so he forces it a bit difficult, isn't it? Yeah, and it's so like it's everywhere. It's all around us, isn't it? What if your mom was putting dog meat in the meals at home? Would you say mom? I don't want to eat the dog meat. Yes, so you would protest wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah, I would protest if someone was like putting pig meat in my food as well Chicken meat or yeah, but if it was dog, let's just say you're living with your dad and he was Feeding dogs, would you would you be like no dad? I'm not not eating. That's bad. Well, yeah, exactly So would you still pay for dog meat? I mean pig meat? I don't know I might not buy as much, but I think I go vegetarian. I don't I say it all the time I just I just I can't do it if I said hey this sausage has got dogs in there that were tortured You would you would say no, I'm not eating that but if it was pigs I say hey, this is just a hot dog here. You'd be like, I know worries. He cares too hard to go vegan You know I have this big double standard for dogs and pigs and they both suffer the same I feel like it's because dogs are pets and not as many people have pigs as pets. It's a bit People are more People are more sensitive to getting dogs treated buddly than pigs But they both suffer. It's just as bad to hurt a pig as it is to hurt a dog and through the animal's eyes Yeah, yeah So like we should just treat them all equally and just leave them alone if we can have plants instead eat plants and not use animals Do you think that's the better way? I feel like because I don't know if for everything we have a vegan option for it But I know like for eggs for example, sorry for eggs for example They some eggs they treat the chickens like better and you just get the eggs I would still eat meat, but I want it all to be have a nice life Treated fairly big not not even in pens Yeah, it depends what you mean like free range eggs organic eggs For example, yeah, but if you're gonna kill the animal in the end I feel like people just like small small changes works like it helps Yeah, they kill all the egg laying hens in the free range organic egg industry and they they also Yeah, they kill all the hens and when they egg because their egg production will become slower and less profitable So they they send them up to the slaughterhouse and also they never use the males in the egg industry So they hatch females and males and then they separate the males out and then they put them in a macerator It's like a big blender. So they get they kill the males on their first day of life And this is across the board in the egg industry. Can we take some dogs? They've been treat your dog treated nicely the whole life They've been treated nicely the whole life. Yes, I'm sure you're nice to your dog and we take them We just you know end them really quickly. Would that be okay? Okay, why's it okay for the other? Oh, well, let's just say your dog wasn't your pet this just lived in isolation no, it's not okay and and Bends over there if we couldn't eat me I wouldn't eat me, but I just think I feel like a lot of people don't know this yeah How about I give you some information and then you can look at it and I've got these little pamphlets because you're vegetarian You don't eat pigs anyway, so it didn't really work for you But would you be more upset if you had about dogs being treated in the way that we Would be yeah, but like you wouldn't eat a dog no matter what even if they had a nice life, would you? So you've been conditioned to eat certain animals, so here's Yeah, it's interesting no a because I used to think of dogs like if I seen something happen to a dog I'd run into help them But I was eating all these other animals and I never thought of it like in the context of dogs Yeah, how much more I'd oppose it But do you think this is a good way of getting people to think about the different species of animals? This is for you and actually um The dairy industry and egg industries are really no better They're just as horrific because they forcibly impregnate the cows and take their calves away and then kill the cows if we did that to the dogs Here you go. Thank you challenge 22 Oh, yeah, it's good really good Something think about anyway Look a bit stunned. Oh, yeah. Yeah, all of those practices you can look up as well I mean if you look at this film, this is land of hope and glory It'll tell you all about the egg industry the dairy industry the what I explained to you about the pigs It's all in here. So this is like an expose a film. It's quite new to it's about 2016. I think but and here we've got um This is called land of hope and glory Exposes all the industries in the UK I Like pigs too Thank you. She thought it was all bad. Anyway, some people like I guess the best person for it would be someone who Thinks eating pigs is morally acceptable. You know, but she seemed like she didn't want it to happen to pigs or dogs Yeah Anyway, she's got some information. I appreciate you. It's actually gave me one of the best interviews today We understand but it is it would be difficult just to change I genuinely think To stop killing and feeding your dogs like would you you wouldn't ask you tell a sound. I'm not eating dogs. It's cool Meat from a butchers, which is all like locally sourced And so, you know which farm it's coming from I've been to one of the farms where my cows meet come milk comes from Yeah, but you have you been to the slaughterhouse that they're slaughtered in No, I sense them off to go So you think like think about it Honestly, I'm like so animal cruelty against you Hope animals but you're actually paying for them to be tortured and killed It only makes sense And it's probably not as hard a lifestyle changes you think like I know I understand what you're saying You guys would probably cringe at the side of slaughterhouse footage I know you would like if I showed it to you right now. You probably be like that's awful. I don't Awfully treated it's horrible. You see these ones in California where they're like their calves are like tied up and Better like we've been exposing the UK for a while now like they're just gas check like 86% of pigs are killed in Gas chambers here in England and Wales like a terrible footage as well Trying to help people make the connection to different species of animals and Anyways challenge 22 is on the front. So Okay, I think we can call it a day now. It's a very interesting reactions and very interesting when you Replace a pig with a dog or a cow with a dog treat them exactly the same as the UK Australia or the America Europe Treat their farm animals just put a dog in there and see how people react It's very interesting put a dog in a slaughterhouse and see how people react Yeah, so hopefully people can just make the connection and be vegan and be consistent