 So I was just wondering, I haven't seen them in a while either. But it's kind of that way with everybody with COVID, for me at least. Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen them in a while either. I hear they're going to announce a new executive director on Friday, but we'll see. Yeah. General manager, I should say. Yeah. Yeah. Keen left. And you've had an interim for a while, right? Right. Carol Hart. Yeah. I just would like to let everyone know we are recording and we are live on YouTube. Okay. Okay. Well, I don't think we saw anything bad so far. No, no, no, I just wanted to give you guys a heads up. Thank you. Thanks. So how are we doing here? We got just two of us from the committee. No, there's quite a few. Sorry, I haven't, maybe I don't have this on the right view. Thank you for promoting me, Michelle. Oh, yeah. Good morning. Hi. Hello everyone. That promotion has been long overdue. Video. There we go. Get all the perks. Are those LPs in the background on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Look at that. Wow. That's a ton. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I got one. There's a whole other one down here. Yeah. I got all my good ones. I'm a Stevie wonder, you know, Wow. Look at that cover. Such artwork they had on those. Yeah. I don't make them like that anymore. No. No plastic either, right? Except for, I guess, the vinyl. And Michelle, we do have someone from cinema water on today. Chase. Yes, I will. Promote Chase and Steve Brady when we get to the department reports. Okay. And then Monet later today. Yeah, I want to just get through broke roll call first with less. People on the screen. Sounds good. Well, good morning. It's nine. I see. Do we have a core on the show? We do have a quorum. Well, I think we might as well get started unless. There's a reason to wait a couple more minutes. Is that okay with everyone? That works. Well, first of all. Happy Earth Day. What an appropriate day to be having a waterways advisory committee meeting. So, um, I guess we will call the meeting to order April 22nd meeting. And ask if there are any reports by waterways advisory committee members. Not at the moment. Any members of the public here? I don't see anyone from the general public. Anyone want to speak. I do see two attendees that are not. On our agenda today or related to city staff. If you would like to comment on public comment, please raise your hand and I will call on you. Okay. And I'm not seeing any raised hands. Okay. Very good. Um, how about the, um, the department report? Oh, I'm sorry. Um, can we do a quick, uh, roll call? Oh, I assumed you could tell from the. Yeah. Let me, I can just announce it really quick. Um, let the record reflect that all committee members are present with the exception of Mark Mealy. Okay. Um, Is there a department report? It looks like there are a couple of potential items here. Yeah, I can start that off for it. Um, Department report from. Planning economic development. Um, so the last meeting, I gave you a little more of a thorough report based on. Um, some of the policy work that's going on. Um, but not much has changed, except that, um, We did have a contract approved by the city council to launch our missing middle housing ordinance. So that is going to be kicking off in the next few weeks. We're really excited about that effort. Um, and then we have also started our work on the historic evaluations survey for, um, So we have a consultant on board and they are already starting on those, um, surveys. And, and then also on the, the general plan update, um, in May, we are planning to do, um, quite a bit of outreach for the general plan visioning process. So we plan on doing 10 community work shifts. Um, but they'll be done on a neighborhood district level. So there will be one meeting in each district in English. And then, um, in three of the districts will have, um, either bilingual or Spanish only meetings in addition. So those are all getting scheduled now. So once those are all, um, scheduled, then we'll put out a press release and, and, um, send that to you as well. So you'll know, um, what's happening. And then we also are going to different, uh, community organizations, um, hoping to go to their meetings, um, to talk about community vision as well. And we will be going to boards and commissions. So in our, uh, May meeting for this group, we will be, um, um, doing a presentation on the general plan and just talking about visioning, um, with you all. So we're excited to get into those conversations soon. Um, so that's all that's kind of new since I last reported, but I'm happy to answer any questions. If you have any. Any questions. No. All right. Thank you. We'll look forward to that meeting in May. Are there other reports here? Yes. So I can give one for the general plan. Good morning. Chair and members of the committee. Uh, What's exciting is our lower Coleman Creek, uh, phase two Creek restoration is moving ahead. Uh, so since the committee has last heard, we have bid the project and actually awarded the project to team. Jalati and they were actually the contractor for our phase one that was completed near LCL in high school. So, uh, it's pretty good. We ended up with a contractor that has some experience and, you know, we've worked on phase one. So we're excited about that. And, uh, we actually received eight bids, which was good. And our engineer's estimate was about $2.8 million. And the lower Coleman Creek, it was about $2.2 million. And our engineer's estimate was about $2.8 million and the low bid was 2.2. So it came in about 21% under the estimate, which is always good. And, uh, you know, hopefully things will move forward and there won't be any issues that we encounter in the field, but you never know. And just for everyone to phase two is the most upstream, uh, it's the most upstream. So it's the most upstream. But it will have a, uh, complete channel, uh, reconstruction in stream habitat features, plantings, a paved pathway, and all of this while increasing the flood capacity of the two phases that we will have for the lower Coleman Creek. Restoration and it's almost 2,200 feet. And it's sort of in the area of Victoria drive downstream to boron avenue. So it's the most upstream, but it's the most upstream. So it's the most upstream. So it's the most upstream. So it's the most upstream. So it's the most upstream. And all of this while increasing the flood capacity of the channel. And I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you might have about that. Go ahead. Adam, go right ahead. Adam, you're muted. We still can't hear you. No, that's weird. We heard you talking about your record collection earlier, but now it's not working. It doesn't look muted from our end. So I'm going to move on to the next slide. Steve, thank you for all your hard work. This is a really, really long-term project. And tremendous dedication on the part of you and the staff and. In pursuing grants and overseeing the project. It's been, it's really wonderful to see the progress. And perhaps sometime we can go down there and actually see it again on site. So we might think about that at some point. Adam, did you or use. I don't know. Do you have any questions for him to pop back on? Okay. Are there questions by anyone else? Yeah, I do. Go for it. So I'm just going to map up basically Google maps. And so I'm from Victoria down to about Boron. And then that stretch that goes south to Bellevue and then heads West. Is that still a private property issue? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It are, are a plan calls for moving the creek onto private property within a portion of that. So we'll have to negotiate with the property owners and move forward with that. But just kind of the pace of how things have gone. It's going to take us a little while too, to kind of build up our. War chest of grant funds to be able to move forward with construction. So that's going to be a little bit more expensive, maybe in the neighborhood of like three and a half million dollars. So, and we would have to, you know, use our funds or raise some funds for the acquisition as well. And then one other question. Well, after the restoration, we'll just turn over to parks and rec or, I mean, whatever be like a park area. Yeah. So you know, the water or cold and creek area, we have an agreement with. Noma water, so they will maintain the flood capacity of the channel. And the city will maintain the park like features. So any paid pathways, you know, signage or. there's also plans for a park adjacent to that. So that if that all were to work to happen, that would be a city park eventually if all that was acquired and constructed. The message is kind of conceptual right now as far as that park. It's just kind of way out there. Well, I mean we have a secret document that covers the park and the creek. And you know, there is a community park called for within that general area in the general plan. And you know, I think, you know, it's moving ahead. It's just, you know, there's a few more issues to overcome with that. Thank you very much. Adam, do you have a question? Hello. We can hear you now. There we go. Great. Yeah, I just rejoined. So there we go. Okay. I'm not sure if it was answered. One, I said, thank you very much for the update. It's really great to see this moving forward. I'm happy about that. And maybe you answered this, but any idea about the timeline? Well, our contractor will hopefully break ground in late May, early June, and then we can get in the creek by June 15. So our permits allow us to be in the creek up to October 15. So hopefully we'll be complete by then. That's the plan. Cool. So hopefully by the next, hopefully rainy season. Well, and what happens? Not all of the riparian planting will be completed by October. That will happen over the next rainy season. So probably more in the spring of next year, things will be completely completed and open. Excellent. Thanks so much. What else? And then we also, we added a report opportunity for Chase. It's in a water. Chase, I did just want to welcome you to the, to the committee and really appreciate you joining us today. There were some questions at the last meeting and well before that and just the overall management strategy for the creek program. And so it's, we really are happy that you're here. There is one project that we'll probably have more specific questions on, but this is a good opportunity. If you have any updates or just want to introduce yourself, we wanted to provide you that opportunity on the agenda. Yeah, great. Thank you very much. I have to chase to Kaja with the Sonoma County water agency. I work in our field operations department, specifically assisting and overseeing our stream maintenance program. So yeah, just given a little update, we are kind of in the initial phases of putting together our annual notification for our stream maintenance program. So we will be having a list of creeks and streams that we're going to be working on this upcoming year within the Colgan Rosalind area. I believe we are planning on doing some work, but yeah, we'd be more than happy to answer any questions or anything comes up. Yeah. Steve, I have a question back for Steve. And welcome, Chase. I'm really happy to have you join us. Thank you. Can I proceed? Sorry, yeah, of course. But just back to the Colgan Creek, what kind of interaction is there with the Dutton Meadows subdivision that looks like from Victoria down towards, I don't know, towards Duke or whatever. It looks like it interacts with that, Steve. So I was just wondering how will that play into it? Well, as part of that subdivision, they dedicated property to the city for the creek and kind of some adjacent park areas. And then also, there is planning to be a roundabout when Dutton Avenue will cross over the creek and north of the creek will be a roundabout. So our paved pathway will be constructed in a way that eventually, once that roundabout is completed, that our pathway will allow you to get out to the sidewalk and the bike lanes with that roundabout, eventually out to Hearn Avenue. Okay. So you're planning and orientating things with that in mind. Correct. Okay, thanks very much. Were there questions of Chase? We certainly appreciate meeting you and hope to work with you in the future. Perhaps when the general plan issue comes to us, it would be an interesting time to potentially connect. I've always wondered about the idea of connectivity between our creek paths on our analyzed creeks and in terms of bicycle access. But that is not an issue we're going to be discussing today because we really have the opportunity to make this a integrated bicycle and pedestrian system in my view. And so it's one thing I'd like to bring up during the general plan portion of our discussion perhaps next time. Is there any question though of Chase at the moment about the water agency role or anything regarding our creeks? Okay. Well, we certainly appreciate meeting you again and look forward to working with you. You're a very integral part of our work as well with the city in terms of our creek. So thank you, Chase. Thank you very much. Looking forward to continue working with everyone. Likewise. We look forward to it as well. Okay. Unless there are any further questions of Chase, I think we will then move on to the schedule item of the day. Do we have the applicants here today with us? Yes, I believe we do have two of the applicants. Monet would be able to speak to that. Welcome Monet. If you would like to give us your presentation Monet, we'd be happy to hear it. And I don't see the applicants yet, perhaps. They won't be promoted to panelists. They'll just be given the ability to speak once her presentation is over. If that's okay. I can promote them if you would like me to. Are they able to listen to the audio portion of this? Yes, they're on as attendees. So they're seeing the meeting. And I'll be able to allow them to talk. The only difference will be that you won't be able to see them. But I can promote them if you would like. Is that typical in these meetings? I'm not familiar with this process. Typically, I just allow speaking permissions so that they can answer questions or add any comments that they feel is important. Okay. But I'd certainly like to let them realize that they are able to ask questions and we'll give them an opportunity to speak of course. Absolutely. Yeah, of course. Okay. Are there any questions or comments from the committee? We will hear from Monet. Okay. I'm going to start my presentation. Hope you can see my PowerPoint. And good morning, Chair and members of the Water Race Advisory Committee. The project before you this morning is called Viscose Self Storage, located at 970 Pine Road. The applicant is the project is a major design review that has to go to design review board for approval. And the project is a development of a tree story, approximately 66,000 square foot storage building on a 0.95 acre parcel located adjacent to Russell Creek. And the project includes demolition of an existing structure and some site improvements. The project site is located in Northwest Quadrant and it is owned by Light Industrial. Here is the project site next to Russell Creek. Russell Creek is a channelized creek and it is owned by a water agency. And the City Creek Master Plan designates Russell Creek, reach to as a modified natural creek and recommends habitat enhancement, involving removal of invasive species and replacement with native vegetation throughout the reach. And here is the proposed site plan and the building, the renderings for building. And the project plan shows the proposal storage building is well outside of the 50 feet creek setback. However, the fire lane and bioswale and some landscaping is proposed to be placed between that 50 feet measured from top of the bank and there is an existing fence already within that 50 feet setback. And here is the landscape plan that shows the proposed bio retention. I'm showing it here. Here is the area for the bio retention and the area where the fire lane access is. And there is an existing fence along the property line which will be removed and replaced in kind. And as a result, six live oak trees will be removed. The applicant is proposing to plan three large oaks at two corners shown on the site plan and some other shrubs and plants along this area. Zoning codes requires 50 feet setback from waterways for new structures. However, when there is a fully channelized waterway exists and the channel is owned by or under the control of the Sonoma County water agency, structures may be closer to top of the bank. Provided that this encroachment into the setback area will not obstruct or impair the channel's hydraulic function, impede water agency access or maintenance of the channel or impair the stability of the slope bank or maintenance of the channel. This slide shows the cross section of the existing creek and the proposed building. As you can see, the self storage building itself will be 52 feet from top of the bank shown in a red line here. The existing fence is approximately 20 feet away from top of the bank. The only structures or items that will be between the 50 feet is the existing fence, the fire access lane and the bio retention and some landscaping. Here is the paid trail and the existing fence. As you can see, there are those trees that they will be remote. And this slide shows the Russell Creek ridge too, between Pauline and Pioneer Creek's map. The unpaid access route, which you saw in the previous slide, extends west on the north's right bank from the Range Avenue, which is here and to end of the ridge, which is here. And there are existing entry points to the trail from residential neighborhoods. I have received one email regarding the project and the person had questions about the rainwater catchment for landscape use, runoff from the service roads, entering Russell Creek without filtration and if the facility will allow storage of toxic materials, I forwarded the email to the applicant and the applicant, Steve, answered the questions that this person had and also the email is attached with the whole package for your information. And that was my presentation. With that, it is recommended by the planning and economic development department that Waterways Advisory Committee provide comments regarding the proposed project and likewise, the design review board as to the project's consistency with the city's policies for creek side development. And I know the applicant is available to answer questions. Thank you. Thank you, Mene. Are there any questions specifically of Mene? I would like to let the committee ask her questions, but also the applicants, we will have them come and present as well to us. Art, do you have a question of Mene? Art, you're muted. Yeah. I'm just curious who the applicant is because it says on the staff report that it's summit engineering, but the property owner is someone different. Who is the applicant? Perhaps this would be a good opportunity to let the applicants speak. Yes. So, Steve and Monica, you both should have the ability to unmute now. Hi, this is Steve. Yes, I am one of the owners of West Coast Self Storage. It is our property and we would be the developers and operators of the proposed self-storage building. A summit is, of course, our civil engineer that is engaged to design this project. Thank you, Steve. And welcome to both you and Monica. Thank you. Are there other questions? Yeah. We're not doing comments yet. Right. I have questions. And maybe for the applicant, but when I was out there, the storm drain that's shown on the maps, it seems like it's further west and on the other side, coming off of a property. So, I kind of like to get clarification on that. I'm not sure who that comes from. And then I'd like to know what type of fence is going to be installed. Well, I guess that's a question, but so those are two things I wanted to speak about. I can respond to that to the fence anyway. The existing fence is Chainlink and it's in kind of poor repair and a couple of those oak trees, I don't know if you noticed, but they're literally ingrown into the fence. Fencing actually disappears into the trunk of the tree. We would replace in light kind Chainlink fencing. Okay. And as far as the storm drain, I think it's actually photographed in that back photo of Monet's presentation. You might have a follow up, because I wanted to ask about the trees. So, this storm drain that I see right there, in relationship to the project, is it east, center, or west on the property in relationship to the property? Monica, are you online? Monica's a civil engineer. I'm showing that Monica is unmuted, but I'm not hearing her. She says she sent a chat that says she is online. And can I share a screen? Yes. Just my thought is that picture of the storm drain, that drains the water, snowmowaters v-ditch only, that stretched along the trail, and I think it's towards the east end of the property. There's no city storm drain inlets along there. Okay. So, the storm drain that I'm showing a picture of is west of the property. You can see the property fence line, and you can see the farmer, I guess, the Farm Bureau building and the background on the right. Well, there's a correction to make here. That fence that you're referring to is on the property line, actually isn't on the property line. That truck you see is on our side. Okay. Okay. So, that's my confusion then, is that the way I looked at the site plan, and then I saw this storm drain, so that fence actually goes further to the west. Well, for your property line, is that correct? That's right. So, this storm drain grade is right about in the corner, close to the corner of our property, but it does align with our property frontage here. That truck is on our property. There is kind of a driveway easement that is shared between the two properties there, and that's why the fence is not actually on the property line. Okay. Thank you. I was having a hard time orientating, so I appreciate that. Thank you. If I might, I have a question about the trees. You mentioned being intertwined with the fence, but when I was out there, it didn't look like all the trees were intertwined, and I'm just wondering, is there a reason why they all have to be removed? Other than grading issues, but we will definitely try to save whatever trees we can, and you're right, they're not all intertwined. Maybe two of them are out of the, what is it, four, or maybe five trees. I think they're six to eight inch diameter or four to eight inches. They're not particularly large oaks, but we'd be happy to try to save whatever we can. Yeah. I'm thinking that, you know, the riparian vegetation in that area is rather sparse and to really have an experience for pedestrians, and also for the habitat. I think it would be desirable. I'm of course shifting here into recommendations very quickly, but I'm hoping that we are able to preserve the trees as much as possible. Perhaps an arborist could take a closer look at that. My landscape architect is also an arborist. I can get him out here and incorporate protection design into our landscape plan for those that can be saved, which I don't know exactly which ones that he would agree with, but we'll look at that. Thank you. And I did miss the fencing. Is that going to be red iron or it will it be open or will see your intention there? It's definitely open. I was intending it for it to be like kind. So Chainlink, we could go with red iron, but Chainlink seemed more appropriate and more consistent in this area. Okay. Other questions by our committee members or I guess we're shifting into recommendations if you want. Please, Charles. Yeah, kind of a follow on on Arthur's question. It appears from the grading plan that the site drainage ties into the bioswale at the back and then the bioswale discharges into the inlet that we were discussing earlier. Is that the configuration of the drainage system? Yes. And then all of that falls out into the creek. Yes. Okay. See Monica there or here, Monica, would you like to add to this? Sorry, I was having some audio issues. But I can answer the last question. So it is the overflow from the bio retention facility that will connect into the existing inlet and not the direct discharge. So the bio retention facility will be designed to meet the requirements of the LID and so it will be designed to infiltrate and then only the overflow will go into the existing inlet. So the bioswale essentially discharges into the groundwater unless it overflows and goes into the creek? Exactly. Thank you. I think there was another hand up. Yes, I have a question. Kevin here. Hi, Kevin. Hi, good morning. And thanks everybody. Thanks, Steve and Monet for the presentation. Really nicely done. I'm happy to see that there's an open fence in the back in the spirit of keeping eyes on the creek since we've got that creek trail along there, frequenting creek trails myself. It's always nice to know that there are eyes on the creek. There's a feeling of safety. In that spirit, are there any windows in the back of the building? I see you have some nice windows designed into the front and just wondering about the back again in the spirit of the eyes on the creek. Sure. I think there are a couple small windows in the back of the building. They line up with hallways inside our self storage facility. So you can actually stand there and look out. Great. Good. I think the more the better. All right. Thank you. Others? Yes. And just continuing to try to understand the site plan. And so on the west side, the fire road, so there won't be a fence on the west side. Is that correct? Orient me to the west side. Maybe it'd be helpful to have a site plan. Yeah, could we put, I'm looking at C1 right now. I can't share the screen. Okay. Okay. If we could go to C1. Yeah, C1. So on C1, so where's the north arrow? So is it oriented north? It is oriented north south. So the west side would be the plan left. Yeah. Okay. So the west side road, and it looks like there's a, I don't know, concrete v-ditch running right down the middle. So there won't be any fence right there. That's an entire access area, access road. Is that correct? That's right. That's fire lane. And it effectively is shared with the auto repair facility next door. But the security of our project, if you hold right there, there's an entry gate. It says that rolling entry gate near the front of the building, it actually will slide into a pocket that we've created or allowed in the building itself. Then moving toward the creek are the loading bays where we, that's for the bulk of our customers, use elevators and things right there. And then at the back of the site where the fire lane wraps around, we have a gate that will be fire gate only, not for customers. So the average customer will not circulate around behind the building, but rather more or less come and go from the loading bays. Okay. So it's really a partial perimeter fence on the property, on the property boundary. Is that what I'm seeing? So you're mainly, you're mainly fencing in the east side and the southeast side. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. I noticed it's really strange the way it's set up there. You know, there's, most of the properties are wide open to the creek. You know, there's no fencing or anything. And then, but so it's just kind of, it's just kind of interesting the way the access is going into that. Okay. I'm still just trying to get a handle on the layout. Thank you. Sure. Questions? If not, we could move into comments about the project. Is that okay? I think we will just move on to that if that's all right with everyone. Kevin, would you like to start? I see your thumb up. Thumbs up for the project. That'll teach me to raise my hand. No, I think it, I mean, I'm, I don't have any major reservations with the project. I think I went out there too and looked at it and it seems like as it replaces the existing fence, I see the problem with some of the trees being intertwined and so it makes sense that some of those might have to come out and be replaced with others. But all in all, it, yeah, it's, you know, it's fairly close to the creek, but as is the existing property. So this seems like a nice upgrade. I would love to see windows on the back in the spirit of eyes on the creek as much as possible. And I don't know what city design standards, et cetera, weigh in on that question. But that would be one of the things I'd love to see in all similar projects like this. But otherwise, I don't have any reservations and it looks like it looks like a good project. So thanks. Thank you, Kevin. Carol, would you like to add your comments? So I too went out there. I think it's going to be an upgrade to Piner Avenue, that stretch. It's unfortunate that it can't be a nicer fence, but it would be the only section of nicer fence. Things seem to be done one parcel at a time. And that's probably status quo. It's an awful lot of building, but covering property with a structure, it doesn't matter if it's just concrete or three floors. It's covering a lot of ground, but I'm glad to see that the water's being handled properly. And that's about it. Thank you, Carol. Charles. Yeah, thanks again, Monet, for the presentation and to the applicant and to staff for putting it together. Yeah, I'm generally in support of the project. I use this creek frequently. I like to ride a lot of the Piner Creek tributaries and this is a good way in and it's an important recreational resource in that respect. I understand why the landscape architect has proposed removing the fences you're going to have. I mean, the trees that are next to the fence, you're going to have a tight area between the curb and the top of the swale for those to grow in. And I think planting trees in the wider corner areas probably gives them a better chance of survival. So I understand the need to take some trees down, but appreciate the applicant's willingness to revisit that to see if some of them can be saved. But I understand why they would be removed. I'm not so sure about the comment letter that we received suggesting onsite water storage. I think it is a lot of coverage here in a lot of building, but the drainage plan puts the water that falls on the site back into the ground through the bioswale. So I think that's a reasonable approach to the drainage here. Other than that, I don't have much to say and think it's a good project. Thank you. Charles. Adam? Yes. And thank you, Monet, of course. Great package and presentation, and thank you, applicants as well, to be a great site improvement to what's there. And as far as the building and most of the site, all more comments when it comes back to Design Review Board, because it'd be nice to see that this is first and then you're coming to the Design Review Board, so we'll see that again. And just for your next presentation, since you've, you know, right off the bat, you've gotten questions about the fence with DRB, I'm certain that that will come up as well. You do have a call out on the landscape plan that's existing fence to be repaired or replaced in kind, but could be useful to break that out a little bit larger or even include a little fencing detail, because I'm sure that some of the members will ask about that as well. So just a heads up there. But yeah, I think replacing in kind is fine for that fence to kind of match what's going along the pathway there. I'll just echo Charles's comments, I think he's right on with everything there. And I also, with the tree removal that caught my eye that you were removing seven live oaks, but in seeing the pictures and seeing, so we're seeing what the site is, you know, they're not the healthiest ones and they're already kind of hacked back in some ways. And with the new paving and fence replacement, it'll be difficult to keep them, keep the ones that are healthy, and also they will become an issue later on. But I also appreciate that you're willing to look into, you're open to the feedback about it, and I'm certain that Bill Reinhardt will do a good job in terms of evaluating what you've got and seeing if there's anything that can be salvaged or saved. And if not, I trust his opinion in seeing the work on this project and then also previous projects that have come in front of me. One comment, so taking, I appreciate that you're taking, you've got the replacement of the fence and then taking out the trees and then replanting or planting on the fence line the California roses. So I see you're including something to mask some of the fence and grow up and provide some kind of barrier and also texture to that just chain link fence. But I do, I'd want to see potentially a little more variety and diversity there, since you are taking out some oak habitat to put something back in that is more diverse than just roses. I also just question the choice of the California rose there. Beautiful plant, lovely, is tough, but it doesn't look great all year round. And so I would potentially choose something that is a little more evergreen and something that will fill in a little bit more on the fence itself. And there are options there, and I know that here landscape architect will be able to think about some other options for that doesn't necessarily need to be called out, but I just specifically the species, but I'd want to see a nod to some more diversity and some other options than just the California rose. Other than that, I think it looks good. Yeah, I appreciate the clarification of getting into the setback if there's existing impacts there as well. So yeah, I think it looks good for me in terms of the waterways. And I look forward to seeing it when it comes to the deer bee. Thank you. Thank you. Mark. Sure. Well, it's definitely the folks have covered it pretty well as far as the concerns on the trees that I admit aren't the best. It would be nice to save them if possible just to have not lose those years of growth and some shade that they would provide to the people along the path. It's definitely improvement to the site. I wondered why the address sounded familiar when I got out there. I realized it was the old Farm Bureau building where I'd been in more meetings than I'd like to count. But it's definitely improvement on the site. I don't think it's going to be a negative impact on the creek, general overall improvement. And I can't really add anything more than that. Thank you, Mark. Yeah, I wanted to add to Kevin's suggestion about the windows to have more eyes on the creek. But also the trees, I hope they're preserved as much as possible and even added to it possible to add to the pedestrian experience there as well as the habitat in the area. I think it's important to create an atmosphere there along the creek that would be enticing to people and neighborhoods and other areas surrounding the creek itself. Other than that, I really don't have any comments regarding the project. It otherwise looks fine to me. So are there any concluding comments by any members of the committee? I don't think I got a chance to comment. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Sorry, Arthur. I'm sorry about that. It's okay. I'm used to it. It happens at my house all the time. Yeah, we only look at these projects, you know, basically one at a time. I mean, and so as Carol was saying, it's kind of, it's a piecemeal network of the way the creek exposure is for all these businesses. But that doesn't negate the responsibility for this project. So I'm still interested in the fence. And so if I understand it correctly, the fence comes on, goes from Piner down to the creek area and then cuts west to where that gate is. And then after that, the fence continues to the property line, but is open all the way on the west side. And so it's making me wonder if that fence extension from, it's about like the centerline of the building to the west, is that actually necessary? And if it's not necessary, then are there trees that are slated to be removed? Would those trees need to be actually removed? And so I'm not sure of the practicality of the fence there, and I'm worried about the trees. So I'd kind of like to see that looked at. Other than that, you know, this is the old farm bureau building and then it got caught up in the green rush. And then I guess that didn't work out. Now we got a really great use for the projects. I'm really, you know, it's really nice. But my comment is I'm not sure about that fence extension. I can comment on that if you'd like. Yeah, that fence is intended to go all the way across the property and tie into the neighboring auto repair fence. The auto repair business has kind of a secured yard. They have a lot of cars in process and equipment, tools, that sort of thing in that backyard. And they actually secure that at night. And so they don't want an open, it has kind of the way this lot got split, you know, it used to be one lot. And they need that security. Okay, I understand. Any other comments, Arthur? No, thank you. Sorry to miss you the first time around. Any other comments by committee members? Okay, well, I'm going to thank Monet and the applicants. We do have some public on the line for public comment. Okay. Thank you. Let's hear from the public members. If you have a public comment, please raise your hand now and I will give you speaking privileges. Okay, and I am not seeing that they have public comment. So, no raise hands. Okay. Well, thank you all. Am I correct? Amy and Michelle that our next meeting is May 27th? I'll defer to Michelle, but I'm not sure. You're muted, Michelle. Let me count very quickly. Sorry to count to four. Yeah, right. Well, I wanted to pull the calendar up. Yes. So May 27th would be our next waterways meeting. And we are aiming going to be hearing about the general plan on that date. Is that a definite meeting, would you say at this point? Yeah, that's going to be a definite item. And we'll check. We're not quite to deadline yet for planners to submit other projects. So there might be other projects as well. Understood. Before you adjourn, Steve, I just have one thing I'd like to say. Please. It just has to do with the and this has nothing to do with the project, but attachment for which shows the watershed. I always have a really hard time and this is mainly for for Amy. I have a really hard time finding to figure out where the project is. But the present in the in the presentation it zooms in and I can really see it. So I'm I'm just wondering if we can maybe have both. You know, this and then some kind of zoomed in to help us locate this or am I asking for too much? Yeah, that sounds great. I'll look into that issue a little bit more and see if there's a better way to display that. But I think that's a really valid point. And it was hard for me to. So I appreciate that comment. Thank you. Very good. Good suggestion. Okay. If there are no other comments, questions, what suggestions, whatever, I think we'll adjourn and we'll see you all on May 27. Bye bye. Thanks everybody. Bye everybody. Thank you.