 Let's see the breakfast in past CV Africa. We had this great tour, a second conversation and this is a development that we need to talk about. The fact that you have the AFNIFER throwing their support to Pitao be the Labour Party for the elections ahead of 2023. A bit of a background to all of this. Ayo Adeba Joe, a leader of the AFNIFER, a pan-Yoba social political organisation, has thrown his weight behind, you want to say hard weight, behind Pitao be the presidential candidate of the Labour Party. Adeba Joe said that Obie has the ability to rule independently and would not disappoint Nigerians if he wins the 2023 presidential elections. I mean that's a lot of trust and that's a lot of hope and one person. He also said that he has lost confidence in Bola Tunubu, all-progressive Congress, APC Flatbara and Atiku Abu Bakr, candidate of the People's Democratic Party PDP. Adeba Joe said that Tunubu sold President Mohammad Abu Hari to Nigerians in 2015, adding that he would give continuity to incompetence if elected. It is only Pitao be that can rule independently without the influence of these criminals in government, in his words, Tunubu will only give continuity to Buharis incompetence emphasis has been made and he said we know Pitao be very well and that's why we endorse him. He will not disappoint Nigerians and let's put tribal difference apart and vote the right leader in. So this morning to make sense of all of this we have Boyega Adejumaw who joins the conversation this morning, his traditional title holder and a native of Ibadan. Thank you so much Boyega Adejumaw. It's good to be back here. All right, so let's get straight to it. What do you really make of this endorsement of the Afeneferi? I'm a chieftain of the Afeneferi. I am a member of the National Corpus of Afeneferi and that is of course the highest policy body of the Afeneferi and in addition to that I'm a member of the National Executive of the Afeneferi and only nine of us will run the Afeneferi as an organization and make no mistake Afeneferi is a social political organization that has over the time 71 years given back to the Action Group, the UPN, the AD. So we are very comfortable with our position which has come out of a whole lot of experience in Nigerian political matters which has come from a deep interrogation of the present political situation and which has come from our appreciate knowledge that has always made us to stand on a high moral ground and anywhere we stand is where the Yoruba, the whole of Nigeria has always or have always come to meet us when we said that the Babangira transition was going nowhere in 1986. It was exactly so. In fact, let me even take it back to when General Gohan tried to do the non-party election and Papawalawa said it's going nowhere and we all know what happened to that exercise. You know what happened to Babangira's June 12th and again when we said that Buhari was not going to give us anything good because it had nothing to offer. We said exactly everything that was going to happen in Buhari's rule and it has come to pass. So Afeneferi is not an amorphous group of all commerce, it's a group tailored after the sage and the scribe Papawalawa in his wisdom and his books that he has written and in his methods that he has given to us. We have looked at the political situation and rejected the 1999 constitution and we said again that there should be no election until this structure is changed. We were at the forefront of restructuring right from 1953. We achieved it with the litigating constitution of 1954 and we have carried on. We were the one that made the 2014 confab happen and that was why we supported President Jonathan and look at what has happened today to those who supported Buhari. Now it is happening again and people are dressing in obscene gaps. Those who brought Nigeria to his knees, those who have divided us, those who have made Nigeria ungovernable through Boko Haram and terror and those are the people that are parodying themselves as the candidates for the 2023 elections. So Afeneferi says there should be no election, that's our stand. But again if you are even going to say there must be election, then there must be equity. There must be the high moral ground, there must be justice. We have had 80 years of Abbas Sojo in Yoruba Man. We have had 11 years of the North, three years of Yoradua and eight years of Buhari. And we have had five years of the South-South. And if it is coming to the South, the only region or the only zone in the South that has not had it is the Southeast. Based on equity, on justice, on fairness, if you go to the Southeast, if I thought there should be an election, and that is our stand. But again, in examining Peter Obi and in interrogating Peter Obi and having to have had the opportunity to deeply anticipate and bring to the fore the issues that confront this country, namely the structure and knowing fully whether we cannot continue this, we namely the wastage in government and the bad governance. We believe that if at all there should be an election, the only person that is capable of putting this country right back on track is Peter Obi and we stand by that assertion. Well, so you have said a lot in this time that we do have. The question is that why should there be no elections? You're saying that the position of the affinity fair is that there should be no elections in 2023. And why should there be no elections? There shouldn't be an election because the 1999 Constitution is a fraud. And right there at the beginning of the 1999 political discrimination, Affinity Fair said it carefully to its governors, the sixth governors of the Southwest and the representatives of the National Assembly that this constitution is unworkable. In fact, the affinity fair then charged the governors and the representatives not to show up in Abuja to show that we are for this particular document that is so fraudulent, that is so skewed towards a part of the country that absolutely arrogates power to the center and gives nothing to the state that does not permit police to be established even in the local government, let alone the states. And knowing fully well that it is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious nation or country as it were, this Constitution was not going to work. We said so. And then, of course, the leader of Affinity Fair, Papadi Banjo, went to a putter panel and said to the whole world that if you do not change this Constitution, if you do not do something about this Constitution, if you do not change this structure, this country will not survive the next 20 years. And we have seen the words of the old man, he's 94 now, when he said that that was when a putter panel was put in place by President Abbas Adjo. And President Abbas Adjo in his wisdom there took heed to what Affinity Fair said and started the process of amending, changing or whatever he wanted to do with the Constitution. The only thing that went wrong with the Abbas Adjo approach was the fact that the thought-term agenda was inserted into it and that's cut to that effort of Abbas Adjo's. Then came Jonathan because Jaradua was there for three years. Well, he wasn't so well disposed to doing exactly what is just so this unworkable document. But Jonathan listened to us and he gave the job of putting together the 2014.5 to Dr. Khurumu, the foremost Affinity Fair leader. And then when the process started, he made Professor Balaji Akemi another Affinity Fair leader a co-chair of the exercise to make sure that this obnoxious document is getting things and something new is given to Nigeria and that was what brought about the 2014.5. So has Affinity Fair not been proven right? Is this Constitution unworkable? Do we have light? Do we have security? Do we have that cohesion? Are we not divided? And we have seen legislators on the floor of the house say to Nigerians that the problem is the Constitution. Adéjjouma, Adéjouma. Let's even talk about this. Let's even go with your thoughts and all that the Affinity Fair, like you have stated, start forward. The document is not working. The Constitution and you have said that efforts has been made and the 2014 document is as a result of the efforts from the Affinity Fair. But don't you think that this is on democratic of the Affinity Fair to be asking that there'd be no elections in 2023? It is like a coup. Why would you say this is a democratic dispensation? Where has the Affinity Fair been prior to 2022? What efforts has been made? We know that there's a Constitution review process that's been going on. I mean how come we haven't really felt ahead just as you said that it happened in 2014? That there should be a review of the Constitution to the letter to ensure that maybe the interests of Nigerians are reflected. The answer is very simple. If you are doing something and you keep doing something and it's not working, there's something to tell you that something fundamental is wrong with your approach. Then you better change. You better find something else to do. If we have been talking about this Constitution for so long and everybody knows that Nigeria is in serious trouble, the economy is actually in serious trouble, as we speak. Every stone of this nation is experiencing a war of sorts. Of course, we all know that the deep and very divisive influence of terror, of pre-bendalism, of nepotism is actually eating away the fabric upon which we can say there had been some cohesion in the past but there's nothing binding us again other than the fact that Nigeria remains, just like Papua was said, a mere geographical expression. Where is that sense of belonging that anybody has? Do you think that this is a reason why the election should not hold? No, I'm coming to that. When the British were ruling us, we had a Constitution in 1946 which was a unity constitution. They didn't call any Nigerian into it and Papua and the rest of them, even the Igbo nation, they all protested. The British didn't just do like this present government. They didn't do like those who have a sense of entitlement. They changed that Constitution in 1949. They took the manhood, designed that Constitution in 1946 away and brought another person and they brought another Constitution. The 1949 Constitution was a whole lot better but we still demanded, they still demanded in 1951 and 1952 for a better Constitution. And then we had the London Conference of 1953 and a new Constitution was enacted, was brought into force in 1954 and then again we still had another Constitution in 1959 and then the final one in 1963 that even allowed for local government police. The point I'm making is this, in nine years, we had four different constitutions, nine years, in which case there are people who had their heads screwed on, right? I knew that there was something wrong with the Constitution and the change gave us four different constitutions in nine years. Why are we holding on to this Constitution that is not working? And it is only democratic to demand for something that is going to be workable for the people. In which case what is the government there for? The government is there to protect the people. The government is there to make sure that the people live in dignity. It is the job of government to give the people suffer, to provide for them, to make them have a sense of belonging. And we are saying this Constitution does not provide any of such. So it is only democratic that a family should demand that we should have a new Constitution, not even a patched Constitution, not even an amended Constitution. America, with all their wisdom in 247 years, have only amended their Constitution eight times, in which case a many Constitution is even difficult. But being able to bring out a new Constitution is the easiest, most desirable aspect of nationhood. And in 1963, what happened was very simple. Well, Chief Adejima, I want to ask you. So my question would remain and I'm not sure that you've answered that question. Now, in all of this, is this a reason that the affinity would say that an election should not hold in 2023? That's where you stand. That's on the one hand. Is that a reason? Because it's, you know, it's not different from saying that there's a coup. This is a democratic dispensation. And if you say that there should be no elections in 2023, it's as good as saying that it's a coup. That, you know, the affinity, it's more or less, more or less a not military, you know, organization or not military president who's asking that there be a coup. That's number one. On the other hand, on the other hand, can I But is that the way to go? The question is that the way to go, because usually I'm not, I know that you're very conversant with this phrase that two rights can never make a wrong. And so if we know that the constitution is not inclusive, it does not include the thoughts of Nigerians, it's not that Nigerians came together and say, hey, we the people. And that's it. So let's even say that's a valid point. But asking that there be no election is that the way forward, truncating a democratic, because if you say there be no elections, it truncates, it would truncate, you know, a democratic process. That's on the one hand. And what has the affinity done? Let's talk about not 2015 now, but if you would like to say from 2015 to 2019 and up on to 2022 to ensure that the constitution has been reviewed. So that's also on another hand. So we're having two issues now, but I'll just let you react to this before I get to another constitution. That is like a tire that has suffered maybe a hundred punctures. And then you still take the same tire back to the organizer and say, oh, I've had another flat tire again. Please patch this tire 101 times. Now, is that exactly something that is meaningful? Does that actually make sense? Why don't you just go and procure a brand new tire? This constitution, even if you decide to patch it, 101 times is not going to be a walkable document. It is bad in its entire. So what have you done to ensure that the document is not bad? You're not allowing me to explain and to answer your question. And I'm coming back to the idea that we still don't have that election until the constitution is changed. And I would like you to please listen. We are not saying that, oh, there shouldn't be an election ever. No. What we are saying is, before you have your next election, change the constitution. And it is only the right thing to do. Somebody wrote and he did an analysis that the next election is going to cost about six trillion Naira. Where is the money coming from? Can Nigeria afford that? You saw what happened with people buying presidential forms for 100 million Naira. Yet we had a structure, we had a constitution in those days, although we ruled the Western region from Ikeja, Yaba, Ikorodu and the rest of them, here in Lagos, to Asaba. All he needed to do was put himself forward in his native Ikena and become a member of the House of Assembly. He didn't have to go for an election in which he will have to spend 10 billion Naira. He didn't have to campaign all over the whole of the Western region. All he needed to do was convince his constituency in Provincial Ikena that he's the one to represent you people. And then, of course, they would get a parliament and then he would choose the leader. Very, very safe. It wasn't costing so much money. It wasn't costing so much. It wasn't making a mockery of democracy like this one is making a mockery of democracy. It wasn't breeding corruption. Now you want somebody to pay 100 million for a form and then go ahead and spend maybe how many billions for presidential election? And you don't want him to get his money back from the system. But that's not stated by the constitution. I mean, it's not a function. That's not what the constitution says. I'm not sure there's any way of the constitution 1999 that stipulates that. But everything is back to the constitution. It is a system upon which this faulty constitution is based. It is a fact that the constitution stipulates all of this and there are political parties derivable from this same faulty constitution who practice all of these things that tend to promote corruption that we are saying that it will not last. It is not sustainable. How can Nigeria in dire straits, we are hardly being able to pay salaries. We have asked to that is on strike for six months. They are asking for money. Every aspect of our lives from medical to economy to education to agriculture is suffering for lack of funds. And yet six trillion Nila is going to be thrown into an election just to elect a president. And we think nothing is wrong with that. If we think nothing is wrong with that, then there's something fundamentally wrong with us. All right. And it's a very simple matter. What we are running this constitution and the structure is a recipe for disaster. So let's get straight to the crux of the matter. Chief Adeba Adejumar now. Let's get straight to the crux of the matter. You also are a part of the system and so therefore you believe that the system is faulty. There's no reason for us to chunking all of that. But you also have Adeba Joe, who is also saying that has thrown the support. It means that you are also in support and every other person. The number one question for me here is, does this represent the interest of the Joe political zone? We're talking about the southwest now. It's the affinity for speaking for everyone. Does this mean that everyone in this region is throwing their support for Pitao B? That's on the one hand. And if the constitution is not functional, it's really horrible like you have described and we should not even venture into it, then why then are you supporting Pitao B? Good question. Again, I'll take you back to history. Since 1951, affinity has always represented the Yoruba. Papua Law was there for nine years and everything it did is what has become the pride of Yoruba. The first in Africa television, the first in Africa stadium, the first in Africa skyscraper, the first in Africa industrial complex, the first in Africa modern estate. And we have all of that going for us. And then Atiyah Kintola took over and the same thing all over. And then the military came. Of course, nobody can own what the military is putting together as their own. So we cannot own and we do not intend to own the military era. But as soon as the politics came back in 1979, it was an affinity all over again, free education from the four cardinal programs of the 50s and 60s. We graduated with the eight cardinal programs during the time of the UPN. The same affinity. We spoke for the Yoruba. And then again, in 1999, in all the six states, affinity one, that was through the AD. But we don't know what's happened in 2003. And the way some people try to destroy affinity, but then affinity has survived, not only survived. The question here is, I'm coming, please, I'm coming, please. We have been the bacon, the compass upon which to judge and to see the progress of the people. And when we said, do not follow Duwari and some people in Yoruba land, as Yoko, this goes on, followed him, I did not come back to accept our position. So why are you following Peter Abinah? And what we are saying, what we are saying to them now is exactly how their lives are being run. Are they happy with the way their lives are being run? Don't we see all the disasters that are following the great Yoruba nation? How do we bring ourselves back to the way we were? And we have the template and we are turning our people, this is the way to go. So why are you following Peter Abinah? Why are you following? You don't believe that the Constitution is right? Now the reason why we are saying that if you don't want to listen to us and change this Constitution before the next election, and the system is throwing up certain people, we cannot just fold our arms and watch the country sink further and further down into the abyss. So what do we have to do? From the pool of those that the system has thrown up, we have done our due diligence to find out who exactly can best represent the authoritarian ethics, the Avalowa ethos, and the Oumonua B post-turning of the Yoruba. Who can help bring us back to where we were, seemingly on the way to restructuring? Because without restructuring, forget it, this country will go bust. And we realize it is only Peter Abinah that can do it. And we have proof. Is this Shetima, the man that even Maudou Sherif said was the one who started Boko Haram? Is this Shetima that they found Sokoto, the man who bombed the church on 25th of December on Christmas Day in his Governor's Lodge? Is it the man who claimed that, yes, we all created Boko Haram? Is that the man that Athena Ferris should support? Are you saying that in our high moral ground, Athena Ferris should support a Muslim-Muslim ticket? And then are you saying that after 11 years of the North, we're talking of three years of Yoradua and eight years of Guari, their power should go back to the North in the form of a Chikwa Boko Haram? They say Peter Abinah doesn't give shishi. That is the man we want. We don't want anyone who is going to be bribing people. Who is going to go to any primaries and be given dollars? So chief Adejumah? Millions of dollars to people. If you are going to be buying people's conscience, then of course you will be free to do anything to them because they are slaves already. So is the decision of chief Adejumah, is the decision of the affinity, reflecting or does it reflect the interests of the Southwest as a region? Or is just the interest of affinity? Would you say you have nine peasants? Affinity means life more abundant to the people. Affinity means the collective ambition, the collective future of the Southwest people. That is what we are working for. Did you see us in Donatan's government? Did any affinity serve as minister? Did we serve as special advisor? What we do is to think, is to bring ideas, is to devote our lives to giving the best to our people at any given time and any time our people go outside of our advocacy, they meet with disaster just like they did with Wari and we are telling them again, this is the right way to go. So the question here is you exist as a body, not just anybody, not the social body, but social political. And my question here is the decision of the affinity, does it reflect the interest of the zone? We are talking about the south or the region, now the southwest region, the entire southwest region or just the interest of the group? Well, the answer to that is very, very, very simple, glaring. Everybody can see that they have monetized politics. Everybody can see that the Yoruba agenda has been derailed. But in 2017, Affinity Ferry put together what is called the Yoruba Summit group and we met in Ibadom and APC, PDP, even the vice president of Judo, all the governors were represented. And we all said the way to go is restructuring. And on that we stand. And that is what the Yoruba are clamoring for. And that is what Affinity Ferry has devoted his life to. And we have interrogated Peter Opie and he says he's going to be eager on restructuring. And we are telling the people this is the way to go. Now there is always going to be that discussion. Are the people going to listen to us? Are they going to do our bidding? Or are they going to be taking 10,000 era per vote and sell their future? The best we can do is to talk to our people, just like I'm doing, just like Papadi Banjo is doing. The best we can do is to offer superior arguments, just like I'm doing, just like Papadi Banjo has done. And other members of Affinity Ferry are doing. If we like, let us get it wrong again. And then of course the consequences will be all upon us. It will be the first time that it's going to happen. There was a Barabas, there was a Jesus. And Pilate asked, who do I give unto you? Who do I release unto you people? The people chose Barabas, who was a thief. So what we are saying to the Yoruba people is your future is more important than 10,000 era they are going to give you on polling day. What we are saying to the Yoruba is let there be justice. Let everybody, Christian, Muslim, feel a sense of belonging, not to Muslim, Muslim ticket, not to and yet another, not an precedent. What we are saying to them is based on equity and justice, the Igbo have never had it. But beyond that, there's a Peter Obi who ran a Nambra and ran it well, who left 75 billion in the coffers when he left government. No other governor has been able to do that. He has demonstrated it. We have seen some other governors who left office and became billionaires based on what exactly? Based on stealing the people's money. So in other words, all things are matters, are matters of optics and in selection. So in other words, the position of the ephemeris does not reflect the interests of the South East or the Southwest. To follow the right path of justice, of fairness, of equity, and of standing on high moral ground. So you're just saying, in other words, that the position of the ephemeris doesn't reflect the interests of the people in the South? I didn't say that. I never said that. I said that we escalate. We actually are the totality or the aspiration of the Yoruba people. I said it is on that that we exist to give the best to the Yoruba. In which case we survive only because we want the Yoruba to have the very best just like we used to have. And I will tell you something else. I used to consult for the World Bank. And as at 1962, the World Bank library has it that the group that the Southwest region of Nigeria experienced as at 1962 was second to none in the whole of the world. We were ahead of Singapore, were ahead of Thailand, were ahead of Indonesia, were ahead of every of those countries today that are several years ahead of us. Why are we in this situation in which we are found ourselves? We want to be back to that particular height when even the royal family of Saudi Arabia will come to Ibadan for medical services because we had such with us. We want to replicate it again. But we can do it with present proper people who are only about service to self. Our benefit is our service to others. And on the 30th time that everybody would simply imbibe this spirit, would believe in what we were given by our founding fathers, what legacy was bestowed to us by the late sage, we will not arrest. Yes, let's even look at this now. I mean, because we need to look at different angles to all of this. The question here is now, some people are saying that they are fanfare supported the Jonathan's, you know, ambition in 2015. They also saw, you know, the support of Attico at the time. And they never made it. So what would become of, you know, the Peter being 2023 feels like, you know, it's really not going to be anything significant. But it's a good thing that you've made some clarity. Some of the points you've raised, I mean, very valid about, you know, the situation of things and the current reality of the country. But on the other hand as well, we would also like to know what is the group doing, the FNFRI, apart from the fact that you are speaking, you know, to Nigerians this morning via this platform. What are you doing to throw support to the Labour Party? We understand a lot of peasants have said that as fantastic as Peter will be, candidacy is for 2023. You can't take that now. You need structures, you need structures to win the election. So what are you doing to support it in the South West region, understanding that, you know, the South Eastern link cannot win the elections. Let me tell you what we have done. In 2017, when we had the Baduk Declaration, we called the South South, we called the South East and we called the middle belt to come and see what we're doing. And that was the beginning of the formation of the Southern Middle Belt Forum, the SMBLF. Affinity is an integral part of SMBLF. And if you have been reading the communication coming out of the SMBLF, you will see that SMBLF demanded for a Southern president, particularly of the ego extraction. So we are not alone. We have three other zones. And these zones are represented by the Ohanesi in the South East, represented by the middle belt forum in the middle belt, led by Dr. Kovu Ohanesi, led by the Professor of Yorzo, and then Pan-Deaf of the South South. We all meet. And I even belonged to the highest committee of that body, which is called the Working Strategic Committee. So we have done our homework at even the SMBLF level. Affinity presented a paper to the SMBLF, which became the only item on the agenda at the last meeting we had in Abuja. And it was accepted and taken as the way forward for the SMBLF. So whatever Affinity is saying today is what the SMBLF-2 is saying. And we are talking about four zones out of the six zones of the federation. So in which case we are not alone, that is one. Two, do not forget that the labor party is coming out of the labor movement and the TUSP, in which case the Nigeria Labor Congress and the TUSP, they own the labor party. Do not forget that there are 170,000 polling units in Nigeria. And there should be at least three polling agents in each polling booth. And we are talking of no less than 510,000 polling agents. And people are saying, oh, where is the structure? I am the structure. Affinity is the structure. SMBLF is the structure. Or Haneza is the structure. Nigeria Labor Congress is the structure. TUSP is the structure. Middle Belt Forum is the structure. Haneva is the structure. And then the seeming young Nigerians that are yearning for change, the end-success are the structure. Then they are going to man the polling booth. Chief Adejumar. They are going to vote en masse. And there's going to be a revolution in this country from 2023. We have to go. We're prompted to leave. I mean, I've enjoyed every bit of this conversation. But just a quick one in a few seconds. I'd like you to answer. You have mentioned that, you know, we can't go for the Muslim-Muslim tickets. But we have seen a combination of President Muhammad Ubarri and Vice President Yamee or Shiba Ajo. Where does that leave us? I mean, the combination of all of that, where has that really taken us to? So does it really matter whether it's a Muslim-Muslim ticket or as a Muslim Christian or as a Christian-Christian? What does it really matter at the end of the day? What matters is actually making sure that the sensibilities of the people are respected. What matters is that you should respect people's feelings. What matters is that you shouldn't shove it down people's throat. What you will not accept. Those who are saying that, oh, Muslim-Muslim ticket is good. Give them a Christian ticket that would be a jihad in this country. So why should you offer to someone what you will not accept yourself? It is de-meaning, it is de-humanizing for anyone to throw at any Nigerian today the way we are so divided, a Muslim-Muslim ticket or a Christian-Christian ticket. It is as simple as that. 10 pounds are high. People are angry. In fact, I was listening to one of the ministers who said, oh, don't vote in anger. Oh, how do you want them to vote? You don't want them to vote in anger. How do you want them to vote? To vote with a smile on their faces because, because, because, because petrol is scarce, because diesel is 800 Naira per litre, because dollar is 630 Naira to one, and then they should smile to the polling and say, oh, Nigeria is so great, and I'm going to vote for those who brought Nigeria down from 197 Naira to the dollar to 630. Of course, people are going to vote in anger. And people that are angry, you are not going to compound their anger. Thank you so much, Chief Boyega de Juma. By bringing a Muslim-Muslim ticket on top of all that is happening. Thank you. Thank you so much. That is evil. Thank you so much. It's been very interesting listening to you show your thoughts on all of this issue. And we do appreciate your time, Chief Boyega de Juma. We appreciate you. We look forward to sharing more of your thoughts. We have to go on down because we need to make way for the news at nine o'clock. And Chief Boyega de Juma is a traditional title of the Mogadji Ikoluba. He's from Ibadan and is also Chief 10 of the Feneferre Organization. We've been speaking with him ahead of the looking at the 2023 elections and the support of the group for Pitaobe. Thank you once again. Thank you for having me. All right, then that's the size of our conversation. It's all right to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, subscribe to our YouTube channel. It's at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. I am Messi Boko. And do not forget to get your PVC because it's your power to cast your vote in 2023.