 Oh, notice I stayed very silent you're afraid oh I like that you did it The instead of the because we don't have Patrick today because he's out baby You did Tom Saren Roger as the guests We are the guests were the host and the guests we do it all people so you that's right one stop service for 2995 Order now you can peel dice slice it makes margaritas What a little sandwich thing make little pity for us. I had a sardine sandwich today I could have done that too because I bought a loaf of bread last night Which I'd like never do because I if I buy a loaf of bread, I eat the loaf of bread Okay, which I did with some brie But but I had a can of sardines. I could have had a sardine sandy like now Do you make it like a tuna salad or like? I have done before at this time what I did was a little Dijon mustard some double Gloucester and This weird kimchi that's more like like a pick like a relish than a kimchi. What's double Gloucester a double Gloucester is a cheese It's a yes pretty similar to a cheddar. Yes in some respects And so so it's that cabbage relish the cheese the mustard and the sardines. Do you heat it up or no? No, eat it cold Well, I would not think to put those things on a sandwich together, but I'm going to after the show I have got all these things not the same cheese, but I have cheddar Do you have a kimchi? Are they I do are they like they've been filleted or they just like sardines. Yeah, they're peeled They're just a tin sardine that I get it I get the skinless boneless ones because it has like way less fat, but I don't even care about that I don't know why I do that fishy. I need to eat fishy things for my health Says Madoc. I just love sardines. I love I love I love Dipper snacks those two all that stuff Well, you know, there's that notorious bi g lion where he says remember when we used to eat sardines for dinner Meaning that's a thing that you ate when you were poor, right? Right before you came, you know before you before you arrived And I'm like still do that Also, they're not that cheap anymore relatively speaking like tuna is is the cheap thing now sardines are actually a little more expensive I don't know why I Mean they're still cheap, but I'm just saying like a can of tuna is 99 cents whereas the sardines are like 250 Right Because the tuna can be farmed or at least yellow tails. Yeah, it's probably it Yellowtail, oh really the expensive yellowtail I'm eating at the sushi restaurant is just farmed fish. It could be I mean the most expensive is bluefin, but bluefin is in danger Yeah, I don't think you're even allowed to you can't put that on a menu in California I don't think I've seen it, but I don't know if it's a different kind or yeah Bluefin now, I don't think yellowfin is like like one of two considered sustainable tuna I mean, I've seen a yellowfin like a I've not caught one myself, but it's like I demand to see the big fish But I want to check out the fin leave the fin on when you serve me this so if you were to if you were haul if Unfortunately, they took all the big ones so that you know Bluefin get that size because they live a very long time and it's I think it's one of the few fish that's actually warm-blooded If you're wondering where Patrick Beja is He called in baby We knew this would happen at some point, but he's just just need some attention. I expected it Yeah, I always forget to turn my wife off. Okay. If it gets weird, it'll be right back. Okay Let's make the jump make the jump make the jump. I saw you flicker So I bet that was it. You seem fine. No, I see yeah, I heard a little bit and I was like, oh Right. It's my wife. Oh Let's see Sarah would you do the honors of reading the? Thought you'd never ask Did really? Okay All right, here we go Uh Two Daily tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash supports This is the daily tech news for tuesday march 6th 2018 of dcns headquarters in los angeles on tom merritt and from studio feline where there's actually a feline behind me If you look very closely i'm sarah lane Patrick Beja is out with baby today So he will uh need your support on twitter is what i'm guessing now things are fine. It's just it's baby time roger You know baby time. Oh, yeah, I remember I used to do the show with a baby on my shoulder You sure did those were good times. I missed those days. I'm sure you do too Yeah, I feel like you know, not that it's any more comforting when you don't sleep for several weeks at a time But everyone seems to have the same problem with newborns. It's not like you're doing anything wrong No, it's just the way they are. They're just it's probably easier with the second one I joked with patrick. Uh, I was like, did you try, you know, blowing the dust out to just baby work like like game cartridge? And he's like, dude, we've tried everything. He's like, i'm not even joking. So that's that's where patrick is right now So send him your good thoughts. Uh, let's start here with a few tech things you should know Blackberry is suing facebook for patent infringement over its messaging features in whatsapp and instagram Blackberry claims it's been trying for years to reach an out-of-court agreement The company is also suing nokia over wireless communication tech and settled suits with qualcom and blue products google unveiled a 72 cubit quantum computer called bristle cone google research scientist julian kelly says She believes bristle cone can achieve quantum supremacy Quantum supremacy supremacy is sort of a benchmark That shows that a quantum computer can solve a problem that a classical computer either can't solve Or it would take an impractical amount of time for it to solve Is a bristle cone like a pine cone? Is that a real thing? I think so. Do we know? Yeah, it's cool. I don't know But sure Well, someone right in let us know Washington state passed a net neutrality law require an internet providers to treat all lawful content the same Despite the FCC's objections to states passing their own net neutrality regulations Washington state is officially the first several tech companies that make up the coalition for internet openness Fowled a petition monday with the court of appeals for the dc circuit against the FCC's decision to end previous net neutrality regulations Oh, here we go. It's gonna last forever The general public can now pre-order microsoft's surface pro with lte advanced built in It has both an embedded e sim so you could just buy a pass for the day if you want As well as an external sim tray if you're like, no, I have a sim I want to put that in it can support up to a 450 megabit per second connection if your carrier offers it Otherwise, it's mostly the same as the surface pro that came out in 2017 starts at $1,149 And generally its models are $150 more than the non lte versions shipping begins may 1st Let's talk a little bit more about movies. Movie pass is great, right sarah. You just you can get any movie with movie pass Yeah, and they'll know a lot about you Okay, so here's the deal movie pass ceo mitchlow said at the entertainment finance forum It's going on in los angeles. He was speaking as a keynote speaker yesterday In uh here in la that the company watches how its users drive from home Or wherever they're coming from two of the movie theater and then where they go afterwards Which sounds insane, but movie pass's privacy policy only mentions location tracking Discloses as a single request when selecting a theater Which will they say only be used as a means to develop Improve and personalize the service sounds like two different things are going on In a statement to tech crunch a movie pass representative said the company won't sell the data that they gather And they're only using it for potential customer benefits Like for example discounts on transportation or coupons for nearby restaurants We talked about this on cord killers with brian brushwood yesterday Uh, but this was before movie pass had clarified like we're not going to use your information for this or that But their response still leaves me unsettled Because what mitchlow said was we get an enormous amount of information We watch how you drive from home to the movies, which is not what their terms of service say they do So at first I was like, okay He misspoke he doesn't mean you actually watch. He just means hey, you know, we we could do this or something like that He didn't choose his words carefully for being taken out of context. And that's what movie pass saying They're saying he got taken out of context. However They don't deny in their statement to tech crunch That they are tracking you from your home to the theater Which again is what their terms of service say they aren't doing So they need to be very clear on this point don't avoid it because then it makes it sound like oh Actually, we are doing that but we shouldn't be well And it's you know, the whole thing of like don't worry We won't sell the data that we gather is like well, that's not good enough Most people would like to opt into something like restaurant coupons nearby the on its surface It's like okay if movie pass wanted to offer me some stuff saying hey, listen If you agree to you know, allow us to location track you, you know, there are some incentives for you If you know, you want to enhance your cooled movie date night Well, I wouldn't necessarily just say no to that But I'd like to think about it and I like the terms of service to be very clear I still don't think they're doing it Uh, although they might be I I don't think they're doing it on a widespread basis Because what their representative said to tech crunch was we are exploring utilizing we are exploring my guess is They've got some beta code They've maybe been testing it with a small group of informed users or maybe with their own staff That are that are you know having some opt-in tracking and that's what mitch low was saying Hey, we can do this he wasn't he didn't he said we are doing it He met you know, we are in the process exploring but they still didn't respond to tech crunch's direct Question of are you doing it now to me? Uh, and if so, what are you what are you collecting? When are you collecting it and where in the terms of service? You know, is this disclose they need to be real specific on that point Well, and you know for a company that's trying, you know, really hard to have as many users as possible It's very tone deaf You know, even if you're not doing anything nefarious It's just very tone deaf to not know that people will get super freaked out about something like this Unless they explicitly know what's happening and opt-in. Uh, yeah, exactly Tell me it's going to happen Tell me what my benefit is and give me the chance to say yes or no totally fine with that As I said on court killers my navigation app tracks me all over the place But I'm fine with that because it gives me a benefit of getting to where I'm going right Uber freight is uber's cargo shipping app It's using autonomous trucks to do some of the work in arizona now It's carrying people's cargo on autonomous trucks On long haul segments of a delivery in particular So it's actually not doing something that they don't already do except for one segment is autonomous James Thatcher from tech and trade and a patron. So our boss Explains what's going on here. Hey, thanks diamond Sarah today I want to talk about tech conscious article with regard to uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for uber freight customers So basically what's going on here is the way most large freight truck imp companies work They have terminals across the united states and you have local pickup and delivery drivers that will go out to a local location Pick up trailer take that trailer back to their terminal Then you'll have an over-the-road driver that picks up that trailer Moves it to another terminal and then you have another pickup and delivery driver that basically delivers the goods Now while this is you know a pretty much fundamental Thing that happens right now uber is not reinventing the wheel They're basically adding a twist that over the road driver that goes from terminal to terminal They're experimenting right now with a self-driving truck now. There is a driver behind the wheel But quite honestly, this is not rocket science This is low hanging fruit because most terminal to terminal traffic is on an interstate Which is a very controlled environment with pretty decent roads well lined markings It's very easy to figure out and it's in arizona So there's really not a whole lot of traffic until you get to phoenix So i'm not hugely impressed with this, but it is an interesting step forward Once uber starts actually tackling the pickup and delivery and they start tackling port operations And those types of things automatically then i'm going to be really really impressed But that's just my two cents for more about tech and trade you can find me at the trade nerd That's the trade nerd.com or follow us on twitter at tech and trade Thanks. Tom and sir. Oh, thank you james, uh, you know I think after talking to him this makes me think that what uber's doing Is is a thing they have to do to prove themselves to regulators to clients, etc It isn't meant to be the big advance right Yeah, I would agree. I you know big jim called it low hanging fruit and it's like it's the first step Exactly and it's true if it's mostly on interstates, right? It's in many ways well paved I don't know flat at times. It's well marked and why it doesn't rain a lot in arizona Yeah, and you're not getting a lot of cross traffic and you know pedestrians or that sort of thing It is the easiest way for yeah Regulators and particularly ones that are a little spooked by all of this and don't what you know want to go too far too fast Um allowing companies to just have a bunch of driverless cars to say see look how well it's working Because they they've done tests that do the exact same thing as this but they were tests This is hey now we're going to do that same thing with actual cargo on board and then yeah And then the next step is now we're going to uh negotiate into the terminal Uh rather than just just through the highways and stopping. I guess they're stopping at a way station Uh to do the transfer to the short haul but as as big jim pointed out It's it's actually very it's not a new system. This is the same system that human drivers use It's just one segments now autonomous which is exciting in a way. Yeah. Hey, you know progress evolution. Anyway Okay dating app bumble speaking of evolution evolution of dating So bumble is one of many apps dating apps will mount will ban images of firearms On user profiles. So that's you know, like if I had a picture of myself holding a gun That will no longer be allowed on bumble in response to a string of mass shootings and gun control debates that are currently going on in the US now around 5 000 moderators around the world are going to start sifting through new and existing profiles and then remove gun related content That was what bumble founder and ceo. Whitney wolf heard said about this new news bumble won't censor images that appear in users instagram feeds and the reason that that would be important is because Some of the pictures on bumble get ported in from instagram feeds So they don't have any control over Any picture that might come from instagram. It would be something that you post to bumble itself Now my initial reaction and I i'm familiar with bumble We'll just leave it at that. Uh, my initial reaction is well Yeah, I mean those are the worst ones, you know, the guy is like holding guns or you know Like holding a dead alligator or just like really like aggro stuff But at the same time It's an interesting place to say like hey, there's no need for this because You know just because somebody's holding a gun doesn't mean the like they're gonna like hurt anybody and some people are like enthusiasts about things and might have other interests and might fall in love or you know, whatever you use a dating app for so I don't know. It's like I I don't have an issue with there being less dating less photos of guns on dating apps personally but it's also it's I don't know. There's more to the conversation. I think here and I'm not totally sure where I'm going with it because I have my own ideas of you know, what a good app profile picture looks like I believe me i'm the last person to talk about the dating app with anybody at this point, but uh, but First I will say bumble gets to do whatever they want their private company They can decide and if you don't like it go use a different dating app There's loads of dating apps out there as far as I understand But I think you're right sarah Having an image of a firearm in a in a picture doesn't mean anything other than you like firearms And even if you are on the strictest gun control debate, I don't think most of you Believe that no one should ever have guns Hunting is a common Pastime in many countries not just the united states So I think I think you bring up a really important point sarah Which is you're banning an area of interest on the one hand for people who are like Yeah, I'm really into hunting or I'm really into just going to the gun range You know I'm in I'm into firearms and the responsible use for them or whatever You also are taking away a signal for someone who's like I'm really put off by someone Who would put a gun image in their profile and I need and and now I won't know that right? I'll have to find that out later that could be a weed out factor for someone too So I don't think this is a great move on bubbles point. It seems like a pr moved to me I think it's probably bumble probably has enough data to say that if you've got a gun in your profile You're like getting less clicks anyway fewer clicks and and has as decided to make this a political statement Yeah, you know and and that's you know, I don't have any insider information But yeah, it seems the same way to me that makes sense The european network of transmission system operators for electricity No, you've never heard of them before most of you although if you have please write in We definitely want to hear from you The european network of transmission system operators for electricity has put out a statement explaining why digital clocks electric clocks in particular in europe Are lagging and have lost up to five minutes since january If you're in europe and your electric clock is five minutes behind and you've been wondering why this is why electric clocks rely on a steady 50 hertz from the power grid to count cycles and keep good time However a shortage in supply from a southeastern europe distributor has led to power deviations across europe And a subsequent slight drop in frequency Which means that these electric clocks lose some accuracy now if you've got a quartz clock You're fine if your clock is set through the internet, which a lot of them are these days You're fine But if you've got an electric clock it's going to lag behind and if you try to reset it It's just going to keep losing time until this is fixed now the statement did promise A compensation program to correct the time in the future So I don't know if that means they're going to speed up the hertz for a little while to get everything back or what but They're on it Five minutes is not insignificant over two months It's a slow burn and so you might not even notice and then suddenly you're running five minutes Well, that's what I you know, especially it's like thinking like people who you know, you get that like 805 train Like yeah day 10 and now you're screwed and now you're late I will add that this is actually a problem that I used to have in college Because remember when we had the rolling blackouts in california. Oh, yeah power supplies were very intermittent My clock was always off like by like five minutes Especially when the power went out. Well, but it I mean, it wasn't because of the blackout directly because the blackout for an hour and by a clock could be an hour off Well, no, but in any case What I managed to do is I stuck my clock plug my clock directly into my ups one of the battery backup slots It it did it evened out the cycles three months Nice after around three months, you would notice it'd be off by a couple of minutes But it was much better than what it was before interesting work around there. That's that's good to know I feel like, you know, I I love the story because I'm just like Time what is even time? But that's because I'm always late So if something like that if I know, you know, this was the the the us network of transmission system operators saying like That's why you're always late. I would use it to my advantage unfortunately I'm in the wrong continent Google is officially rolling out lens to android phones that also have google photos installed lens allows you to scan Things through the app and then get information about those things like what breed of dog You might have taken a photo of or a type of plant or a landmark Certain phone models from samsung, huawei, lg, motorola and others will eventually be able to access lens through the google assistant As well Now this might sound familiar to you because the company first announced the land's expansion Expansion rather at mobile world congress last week We still don't have a timeline on when ios devices will receive lens which sucks because that's what I have And lens is really cool from a personal standpoint for sarah Right. Yeah, uh, yeah, I like this. I haven't got it on my android phone yet Either so I feel your pain a little bit, but I should be getting it sooner I do want to say like This doesn't Point a photo at a breed of dog and tell you the mix like it just says like, oh, that's a poodle Uh, and so if you have a labradoodle, I don't know if it gets that that's specific Uh, in other words, it works some of the time and it works more impressively than some other Recognition stuff. I think the idea of using it to scan in business cards Even as old as that technology is is probably one of the greatest uses for it Well, I remember when word lens came out years ago And it was he was the we know where you could translate like a you know sign in a foreign country Where you're like, where am I and I thought that that was absolute magic But even that didn't work flawlessly, but when it does it does and it's it's it's hey getting context on What's the restaurant? You know that sort of thing. It's like, I love that stuff It doesn't work perfectly, but the more the more we have And particularly the more it's just sort of part of the android experience for anybody who has google photos We're all just going to get used to It bringing up order your port life bringing up word lens does remind me though that I've been to countries Japan, korea where I should have used word lens. I had word lens installed and I never used it because it was just easier to Use the context ask someone then to pull out the phone Hold it up press word lens. I mean by that time I could have just asked somebody or been like, I don't really know Like I was never in a position where I had to know what a sign said so desperately That it was worth all of that for me So I'm actually curious how many people end up using lens especially because it's a tab inside google photos So you have to go in open google photos then go in a tab. It's it's one extra step Well, I think they bury it in there because they want it to be close to your photos, right? Rather than just like some other app where you're really not going to remember that you have it Yeah All right, uh, finally steven Zope I'm going to say I said I said zoph this morning and yeah, I I listened to that. That's why I'm saying that way too Like yeah, okay, that sounds right. Uh, z o e p f it could be zepf, I guess But uh, steven zope the lead author of a paper out of mit that estimated the hourly earnings of ride hailing drivers Has responded to criticism by uber's chief economist jonathan hall if you listen to friday's episode of brian brushwood We talked about this zope acknowledges that the survey questions should have been worded more clearly The paper estimated the median profit for a driver at three dollars and 37 cents an hour The main idea the paper was hey, you've got car expenses. You've got insurance. You've got depreciation So if we take all of that out how much are these folks making? Originally the paper estimated three dollars and 37 cents as a median haul from the uber Criticized the method for arriving at earnings basically pointing out that it appears That the survey they used asks how much you make from driving Then ask what percentage of your income comes from driving Then takes that percentage out of the reported earnings from driving and he says well, wait a minute If you say i make $2,000 from driving Then you say how much do you make from driving and you're like oh well driving's about half my time I also have another job. I make 50 from driving. You can't then say well It's a thousand dollars that he makes from driving. You should go with one or the other So zeph is revising his research His initial assessment is that if you don't make the adjustment that he made That raises the median to eight dollars and 55 cents an hour meaning 54 percent Of drivers are under minimum wage not 74 percent as originally stated Using just self-reported hourly income will just let people estimate their own hourly income What do they think they make and then take out the expenses? He ends up with $10 an hour. That's 41 percent under minimum wage So in return has asked haul to provide better access to uber's data So that they can do independent analysis and avoid these kinds of errors Yeah, I mean You know the fact that so many uber drivers no matter how you slice it at least with the examples that we were given Uh, that's still you know, a lot of people are not making as much money as at least I would have thought Um, and and and a lot of uber drivers also don't sound like they understand How much all of the other you know sort of not hidden costs but costs that you might not think about front Would be affecting their bottom line the survey also sounds like doing my taxes. It doesn't sound fun at all Um, but um, I think that he makes a really good point of saying, okay, okay Some of my questions were unclear and I see why uber and of course uber has an incentive to point these things out Because they want drivers to think that they make lots of money, you know So they keep uh, you know, they they keep um, they keep their scale and their growth going But if yeah, if uber is going to take issue with this Well, you can't just you know, have your own survey because your uber independent analysis is really important In order to to prove that you're a company that's viable. So Yeah, I guess, you know, he what do you do take another survey? Um, Yeah, or I think you do what's up. Did is this like, all right, let's recalculate. Let's let's let's take your Your fair criticisms into account and see what we've got And and uber and left have both looked at this and said this doesn't match up with the numbers We have of course ride hailing companies are going to want to say it doesn't match up But john at the hall at uber is an economist. So at least it's not uber's marketing director saying this It's an actual economist, uh, pointing it out and and pointing it out to the sufficient Satisfaction of zelps to say, all right. Look, you're right. You're you're pointing out something that that is worthwhile Reexamining let's reexamine it But I like that he came back and said, you know, what would help is we have more data more data work from Means more accuracy. So I would like to see uber, uh, answer that This this could be a very productive exchange where instead of getting in a war of words to people like oh Let's argue to learn. That's a really good point. Let me re-estimate. Hey, if you could give me more data I could actually make this more accurate. I think that's that's fair It also kind of tells you something that a company that employs someone that's a chief economist Is still trying to like work out some numbers Figure out what it all means, you know as we move forward as well Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day do what I did this morning Listen to sarah lane bring you it in five minutes daily tech headlines It's there on your amazon echo as a flash briefing You can get it on google home in the anchor app and of course as our podcast Remember what those are podcasts get them in a podcast app daily tech headlines Dot com, you know, I was really proud of myself. It was exactly five minutes today Exactly to us on the nose Yeah Anyone else who noticed that would just high five each other Make my morning Excellent All right Well, the other thing that makes my morning is getting mail from folks. Uh, I want to not apologize, but we used to read Most of the mail we got uh, we're getting way too much mail these days, which is awesome We'll try to respond to it as often as we can but do know we read it Uh, what are we pulling out of the mail bag to talk about today? We are pulling out an email from vince who is responding to our conversation yesterday about apple Maybe making it higher and over the ear headphones and how that would compete with beats That's already part of the apple brand. Anyway, vince says bought a pair of beats over the ear headphones this week Picked the w1 chip even more than the brand itself I can give you three ideas of why apple could want to change On the headphones after a few days use of his new headphones number one to use usbc Or lightning instead of micro usb number two Competitors have apps that let you adjust settings in the headphones like bows connect AirPods can be configured on the phone as part of ios beats only have an app for the pill Okay, and number three having touch interface like airports instead of the current physical buttons Okay, uh, those are all definite improvements. They could make the beats it still doesn't answer my question of like So why do you just make headphones that say beats that do all of those things? Oh, you know what I mean like I I guess I guess maybe I hadn't considered this sufficiently vince might be pointing out this could be a brand shift Where apple's like, yeah, we kept beats going right didn't want to blow the lead they had But let's come out with a new pair of headphones that are apple branded and then get people to go Oh, those are nice. They they do these things that vince Wanted done and you kind of shift that beats user group over to the apple headphones maybe Maybe yeah, I don't know. I I I still think that yeah, they're just going to phase out the beats brand That that whole partnership seems long in the tooth anyway Yeah, it was interesting that they kept the beats brand I think a lot of people expected them just change it to apple right from from the beginning Exactly I think it was smart of them because there are a lot of folks who were fans of beats That weren't fans of apple and I don't mean they hated apple. They're just like I don't know apple. I know beats I go to the the you know the best buy or the electronic store and I buy beats headphones because beats headphones are good And I like dr. Dre and I like beats and so they wanted to get those people used to the idea that hey beats are from apple You can go to the apple store and get beats and maybe when you're in the apple store You'll see some other apple things and maybe you'll become an apple fan They've been doing that for enough years now. They probably could shift away from that Or why not just use call them apple beats like wouldn't that be a perfectly normal apple name? You've got apple tv like apple beats Well, but then there's itunes and I don't know it's changed itunes. Please please I'm begging you Apple could do anything to just make my life better Call it something else. Yeah Uh, and also slim it down even more. I know you've been working on it Oh Oh, you know half the time I'm looking for something in my library, but it's really the store and itunes is like never heard of it And it's just like it's yeah, it's It makes me crazy, but uh, that's a story for another day Hey, thanks to those who participate in our sub reddit. In fact, I used a lot of your stories this morning on headlines So thanks. We love knowing what stories resonate with you You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com We also have a facebook group facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show Big thanks to our patrons who keep us going. 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We're gonna spring forward Just for it's it's just look at an old rundown the 130 will be 230 But then 130 is what is now 12. Yeah, okay I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. I know you're right because I remember the old Time but I mean, I don't you know utc is like You know You to the lens. How do they do it? utc is always the same. I know always the same time. We just all be on utc That's why it's so great if it was 2200 right now and it was always 2200 right now We wouldn't be moving in time. I guess no No, but I mean if at this point in the day it was always 2200 We'd all know it and that would be great. I think it's because utc times Sound like military time to me and so I convert and then that's not what it is Right because they're expressed in military time. It's just it's just yeah, it's you know, what I don't know Yeah, it's a 20. I'm just happy daylight savings is coming back man. We get some late sunsets Long walks on the beach at 8 p.m. Not in the dark Into it No, you could have those anyway. It doesn't matter what time you call it Yes, it does depends. It depends on the time of season as well I'm just saying you can go out It's the same time It's just you call it something different with daylight saving time. Well, okay, so we'll just do the show One we want It'll just be the same time It's just a rebranding of one o'clock to 12 o'clock I have and then back again. There is no complaint from me about Uh daylight saving. Oh, I hate daylight saving time I don't want to have to change just let me have the I'm fine if we keep it where it is for daylight saving time All year round fine with that. You just don't want it. Yeah, I don't want to have to change twice as fair twice a year Well, yeah, big well it's insult to injury too because the those of us who get a little sort of like me when it gets dark so early Um, you know, it's like it's a seasonal thing, you know, it happens to people particularly in colder places Um, it's like if it was just daylight savings, like yes, the days are still going to get shorter because it's turning into winter, right? But just less of that Um, it's the psychological thing of changing the time. So suddenly it feels like it's staying light later because Exactly we rebranded four o'clock to be five o'clock and the thing the reason it's getting like later is because we all still, you know Like not nobody's job just says like okay now that we've changed everything you also come in an hour later You know, it's like you you have to do the same things And now it feels different. Yeah A wrinkle in time Oh, I think that's your head. I always feel like movie pass is watching me Oh, a wrinkle in time refers to the electric clock thing. Okay, I get it And also roger is now reading potential titles Oh, sorry. Yeah, we just it's not just stating a movie. He would like to see that's coming out soon A wrinkle. Oh, uh, I always feel like movie pass is watching me I think that's funny. That's funny. I always feel like Through a lens googly Oh, yeah, because a lens I get it. All right There are quite a few movie pass ones that I like watch movies will watch you That's good, too Apple headphones beats me To violent Bumble bands broomsticks Boom boom. I get it. Okay. Yeah, that's that's what uh, it's a it's a Do people call guns broomsticks? No, boom. It's a boom I see got it. Got it. I think it's a reference to uh, evil dead Yeah, it's definitely called the boomstick. I don't know if evil did originate. Yeah, I would not that's not a thing I would know I would have read that because you know because I wouldn't have understood Bumble bands broomsticks and then I would have been like this is a show I got a lesson too and then I would have been like it's not even about broomsticks They haven't mentioned broomsticks once Do you guys have a free because I I'm leaning toward I always feel like movie pass is watching me Uh, I like watch movies. We'll watch you. Me too Outvoted I I tend to go for the shorter ones. Yeah, me too I think because I actually like I always feel like movie pass is watching me also But it's a little long I did that What was the name of the show Full outlook goal was on. Oh, uh, family matters I always forget that Yeah That's another one of those in the pre-show We were talking about references to movies that you might be like, oh, that's where that reference comes from That's kind of part of our you know I don't know pop culture vernacular That's a show I never watched but I know that it was d. Verkle who said that. Yeah. No, I may have watched Two episodes maybe. Yeah Back when it was on but they had uh, there was the one step by step that followed it which had patrick duffy and susan summers For sure didn't watch that But I do remember the first time I heard you go girl And I didn't know that it was from the show martin That's where it got popular. I mean it's Said that first, but you know, I was like go where what? Yeah, and then I you know later on I was like I watched more episodes of martin than I did family matters Uh, was it u p n or the was u p n or w b I don't know I think because I I Associate the martin promos with star trek and u p n is star trek was on u p n Well, I do remember uh, I was in high school. So I wouldn't have gotten cable I probably didn't have access to martin. Well, no, I would have with the antenna I would have been able to get the wb because it was like on channel 13 I don't know or channel 20 kofy. That's what they did. That's what it was. Yeah I think uh, u p n was channel 13 in austin. That's what I used to watch Oh, yeah, well u p n wasn't even u p n back in the day. It was something else At least for us Well, yeah, st. Louis Channel 11 and channel 30 were just independent and then 30 became fox And 11 I think became both the wb and u p n somehow. I don't know how they worked that and then Two became fox and 30 became abc. They swapped kofy tv 20 Which roger you might remember this but they had this, you know, they had these little callouts where it would be a dog Oh, my wife loves though. She used to watch those all the time when she moved out It would be a dog kind of like, you know, they're just sort of like I don't know like on a green screen or whatever just sort of and it's and it would say like halfway tv 20 stereo And then like somebody off camera would do something and the dog would look at the camera It was the cutest thing It's so cute and you know, it'd be like and then there would like be like, you know Berry the dog from fremont, you know down at the bottom and it was like it was a big deal for Somebody to get their dog featured The wb and u p n merged to become the c w Oh, that's what i'm thinking of I knew there was like a new network that you know Yeah Was like popular but didn't exist before the c w which is where all the teen stuff happened, right? Yeah, and that's where all the superhero Shows are like zero and super girl Dawson's creek, right? Dawson's creek, isn't that the c w? Dawson's creek, I think started on you u p n or w b and then carried on when it became the c w Like it made the transition got it So much stuff to remember I gotta look at those dog videos I know they're on youtube somewhere TV 20 Okay, how do I even talk KO fly TV 20 dogs See 20 was the nbc affiliate in springfield. Oh the dog bumper. Here we couldn't get if there was a storm So we'd always watch channel five out of seven even a quiet storm just a storm No, we always watch channel five out of st. Louis because that came in fine But you could also get channel 20 so you got multiple affiliates. Oh my gosh, you guys have to watch this. That's so funny Which one the tv 20? Yeah I'll send it in slack then you can like whoever has You know roger has the ability to there you go display it Let me see. Yeah, it's that's what it was It was like the dog would there'd be a tv next to the dog and then they'd do something So the dog looks to the tv and it makes it seem like the tv was very interesting to the dog And my wife my wife can't get enough of this I I'm moved by pets Like you are only the only thing that moves me And looks make if you see if you if you my pets are moved by lunch Yeah Wait, you have to you have to hear the audio or it's no good. I can't oh, can I share audio? I don't know. Oh really? Well, I can it's a screen share. It's meant to show Grew you hangouts Sorry, but you're always able to play the audio when you don't want out of your chrome browser Oh, that's right. Hold on. I forgot You guys have those autoplay commercials come up. Hold on. Hold on. That's happened to me once or twice too Oh Stereo Coffee tv 20 San Francisco Oh, was that a Dave Matthews top of the hill? Oh, no, that's what's his name So good God, you know, it's like half the time our post show is just like a nostalgia walk Yeah, I don't know why we always take it there because we're old and that's what we're old and that's all This is why this is why I want to live in a community when I'm old This is where we got our first bicycle my first real like 10 speed Was from an electronics store on the top of the hill daily city Oh that I didn't know what you meant. I was like bottom of the hill Top of the hill looks like blit tipton in st. Louis tipton's moonlight madness sale And the whole thing was you bought like a tv or stereo They would give you a friends like 15 speed bicycle worth 200 dollars free And so I said I wonder And my dad decided we now needed the color tv now that they've been around for like 12 years Is it okay? two birds with one you don't usually say stereo but Stereo stereo stereo stereo Is that I would I'm just wondering if that's like how you said making fun of me Not making fun. Hold on. Just let's hear me out. I'm wondering if that's the way you said it as a kid and then He's concerned How did you just say stereo? I'm trying. It's an accent and I'm wondering if it's like an old accent of rogers that was brought out by the old commercial Well, that's possible stereo stereo stereo hysteria wisteria deaf leopards wisteria Uh wisteria is uh, uh About to be confused Listeria No Very different wisteria the purple kind of grape looking flower, you know that grows sort of like a vine You know, it's like one of the most beautiful flowers ever but it has such a short bloom life You know, I don't know. Anyway in california people, you know, they they grow it around their, you know Houses and so like sometimes like for like three weeks a year You're like, oh, it's the most beautiful house I've ever seen and then it's like you've got this plant That doesn't work the rest of the year Yeah, well, it also just covers your yard and it's when it sheds when it's done too Yeah, very pretty though. Very pretty and and there's a um, it's not wisteria, but there is a similar Uh tree in la where it's like just for a couple weeks a year Like all the trees are purple on certain streets and you're like, wow, it's so pretty. I don't remember the name of the My mom would know mom. Can you text me if you're listening? She will too if she's listening It's purple flowers in la Jacaranda trees Jacaranda Yeah They bloom and spring Oh my god, she just texted me. Mom, I beat you By five seconds. Jacaranda Nothing's gonna change Jacaranda out of my yard No, they're so pretty though and they really come out of nowhere I don't know. I don't live on a street with Jacaranda trees, but they're like they're they were planted like in certain areas of la where you'll just like turn down a block and you're like Whoa, it's super purple. Yeah, but the petals are everywhere and it's a nightmare for any car That's under them. We came really close to becoming a poetry slam right then I don't live on a street with Jacaranda trees, but Oh That was our slam You guys liked it. Welcome to the DT and us poetry slam Regular feature of our potion. We told you we're gonna experiment on labs. It's right. Yeah, it's right You know, I I've often thought about doing something really gimmicky um like Having you know, not that we would do this for daily tech headlines because it's wonderful the way it is but like figuring out a way to like Tell the same story, but make it rhyme Or bury some sort of a reference in each story That like you'd have to kind of pay attention to and people could Try to like, you know be the first person to tweet to you know If they if they knew it that stuff is none of it seems like a very good idea to me But it's perfect stuff for labs though Like like the rhyming thing would be like, okay We just took yesterday's headlines and we did it rhyming style, you know, enjoy Right, you just do it once. I don't think it probably catches on but why not, you know, just try it The the bearing the thing the bearing that we could just do that on an episode and not tell anyone and see if anyone notices Yeah, well, I used to do that sometimes when I did crunch report because it was a daily show which was just, you know It was you know, this show is great because we're all collaborating It's also fine to do it yourself But sometimes you feel like you're like very alone And so I would sometimes like make little references and just be like if anyone notices this I will feel less alone You know, and I'd have like some person on twitter be like, did you just reference like tupac and that story? It's like, yes, he finally like someone understands me someone's listening but um But yeah, I don't know If anybody has a great idea Let us know. Oh and also what tomah had mentioned that we're getting a lot more mail and which is great And then he also reminded me yesterday that now that we're at Well, we're past the end of february We need to do another mail bag show. Oh, yeah And that's part of the reason that like it doesn't it suck to get all this mail that we can't reply to on daily Techno show because The spillover show which is not a very nice way to Say it but kind of what it is. What do we do with all these great emails? Um, I would um I'd love your feedback on Um, who you'd like to see maybe join me on a mail bag episode Not necessarily the next one. Um, because I'm still trying to you know I was sitting over there during our segment and I'm still kind of trying to figure out a lot of this stuff But I want you to laura linka gladder them Uh laura linka gladder's episodes of twin peaks Always use this movie trick where You'll focus on one or two people and then suddenly in the course of the conversation reveal There's a third person there like I want you to start mail bag And it's just you and then suddenly you reveal the other person. Okay Okay, I mean that's what you want. I was like sure sure top we'll have Big Sitting here solo Let's get into our first, you know, and then all of a sudden I see three people You need to yeah, you're right. Okay, and on that note any last words for our youtube audience. Don't shoot Okay And if you do