 Just respond. Yes. Okay. Okay. We're recording now and but you'll need to make that announcement. Okay. Good evening. This is the town services and outreach committee. And the reason that I'm sharing for the moment is because we're. Each year as committees are reappointed or appointed. They have to elect a chair and a vice chair. And one of my jobs is to run the meeting until that happens. So. Let me start with a couple of things like first of all, given that we have a quorum of the TSO present. I'm calling the meeting to order at 704. This meeting is available by zoom. And also can be viewed later on a tape. It's also available by phone. And we are allowed to do virtual meetings based on the legislature. And that is extended the open meeting law to allow this. So I'm going to start an alphabetical order. Just make sure you tell me you can hear and be heard on a Devlin got here. Hello, I can hear you. Great. Anika Lopes. I can hear you. So. So shall we ball mill. Actually was the first one so much for my alphabetical order. I'm here. Dorothy Pam. I can hear. Thank you. And Andy Steinberg. And Kelly Miller is joining us tonight as our note taker. And on Athena is with us. At least initially. So. Without further ado. You may volunteer to be present to be chair of TSO. You can be nominated to be chair of TSO. Or things get dicey. We'll draft you to be chair of TSO. So with that. And nomination or a volunteer does not require a second. So I'm going to ask Anna who's just put her hand up. I'd love to nominate Anika Lopes to continue in the position of chair. Okay. Dorothy, I can't hear you. I second the nomination. Thank you. Even though one's not required. Are there any other nominations? Anika, do you accept the nomination? I have to be able to hear you. Yes, thank you. Okay. So we will take a vote. And this time I will do it alphabetically. Thank you. First of all, Anika, is there anything you would like to say? Thank you for trusting me to continue as chair. And I'm looking forward to the good work that we'll bring forward together. Thank you. Shalini. Yes. Anna Devon got here. Yes. Anika. Yes. Dorothy. Yes. And Andy. It's unanimous. The floor is now open for nominations for vice chair. Shalini. I nominated Anna for vice chair. She wants to continue. Anika. Dorothy. Okay. Anna, do you accept the nomination? I do. Are there any other nominations at this time? I don't know. Anna, is there anything you would like to say? Anika has made my job very easy so far. And I hope to continue to support her. Ever I can. If I'm selected to continue in this role. Thank you all for your support. Okay. And we'll do the vote again. Shalini. Yes. On Devlin. Yes. Anika. Yes. Dorothy. Pam. Yes. It's unanimous. Congratulations to both of you. I look forward to the good work of this committee. You have a lot of things on your plate and. Please let me know how I can support you in accomplishing those. And with that, I'm going to go to my other meeting. Okay. Bye. Thank you. Anna. Yes, I do. I, I, this is the point where I do have to leave you all. I'm sorry. I was just jumping in for that quick agenda item. This is the only meeting I can't make. So I will be back again with you all again soon. So much. See you. Thank you. All right, everyone. I'll have to ask you to bear with me. If I suddenly lose voice. With this thing as we have no town manager appointments. We'll go into our. Our schedule has everyone had a chance to look at thank you. Thank you, Athena. We're pulling that up. Has everyone had a chance to. Look at the schedule and consider our. Suggestion that made a good sense by Andy that we continue to start our meetings at seven p.m. Okay. So what are some of the ones in yellow moon? Oh, it's that's either or okay. Right. So I left some options. So I put this together for the committee. There was. I didn't know if you'd like to have two meetings in July or if you wanted to. How you wanted to break these up. I think. Some folks have kids doing April vacation. So that would be part of the discussion. Depending on. What folks were doing in April and then maybe you, you did or didn't want to have that August one or you wanted to pick. So I just left some, some options because I wasn't sure about everyone's schedule. So that was. I was anticipating that would be part of the discussion tonight. You can leave these, you know, we could, we could pick one of these and go if needed. Or we could do this. However you'd like. Okay. Well, I'm going to just started off by saying on April. April, I would prefer. The 20th to the 13th. It's putting in a dibs there. Any objections? No. Not for anyone else. Okay. I have a question. And also for everyone else. Are there any dates just depending any of the options. That anyone would like to kind of keep. And as needed. In the event that we do need to. Fit a meeting in due to our workload. We kind of have a ballpark of when that could be. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to repeat that again. So with some of the options. Wait a minute. The other ones are. Fairly close. Yeah. Here it's. Do you want. Yeah, they're tight. So maybe. Maybe the, um, for August. Since there's a 24th or 31, we could maybe keep that as. If, you know, if needed. If we do need an extra meeting and we could look at that in an advance. If we are a little behind or for whatever reason that we might. At least we have something. Um, tentatively planned. August is also a big vacation. I'd imagine. So. Any thoughts? Well, I think we have a question about June. Is really, do we want three meetings in June? Because that's why it's got there. The 29th of June would be the third in June. Or it would be. Having two meetings in July. So I don't really, it doesn't matter to me, but, um, If's if anyone's going away in the month of July or the month of August. Um, speak up because, you know, we'll accommodate you. May I make a suggestion? Yeah. Can we just do both of these if needed? The 29th of June is, is if needed. And the 27th of July. Is if need both of them. Okay. Right. Just so because I don't imagine everyone maybe has their summer plans laid out yet. Exactly. And then my suggestion would be to next the 24th, because that gives kind of a wider space in between August 10th and the 24th of July. And then I think that's a good idea. I mean, I don't have any summer plans, but this isn't set in stone. If the committee adopts it and we need to adjust things. I mean, you know, we've, we've seen. We're okay to move things around if we need to, but it might be just helpful to have. Have those like that. How is that? Makes sense to me. Would you, shall I see your hand this up? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good question. For Athena. Do you have the CRC. Schedule also. I did try to make these on alternating weeks. Okay. Is that that's, I assume that's what we all wanted. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. So this is taking into account that. Okay. Yeah. And some overlap is fine because now we've also pushed this forward to seven. So it's fine. Like today. Athena was very thoughtful with for both CRC and attack. Thank you. Right. So is this. I have to admit that there's a. I'm not flicked in that Dorothy jumped in on the April date. I would have gone the other way. I'm more likely to have a problem on the 20th and on the. Prayer week and. It's not. Set in stone because. Schedule it's a family problem. And I don't know if I. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's a less certain day. Right. Are you flexible to go back to the 13th, Dorothy? I could just miss a meeting. There's a speaker series and friend is speaking. And it's a. Amherst women's club and I have to be there. So, you know, but I could just miss a meeting. I think family and vacation are really important. But, you know, of course the speech could be. Changed things. Schedules change, but right now I have a conflict. Yeah, I mean, that's the problem too, that there's not 100% certainty. It's just that. The 13th is safe in the 20th is uncertain. So it's sort of in that category too. Yeah. So I'm willing to go with the 20th. I'm willing to go with the 20th. But there's a possibility that even though I'll be. Tending to the other things at times when what's going on. At that time, but it's possible that I could make it because. Zoom meetings that could make from anywhere, or if we can't do zoom meetings, then. I still could probably. I could do remotely anyway. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think you know, and, you know, maybe March, because as a, as Athena said that we could change, we could change that. We could change. I hope so. So we could, we could leave it and then if, if, you know, need be, we can change that. So we'll leave it for the 20th for now. Yeah. And then make sure we have a quorum for that thing. I can, I can make it hard for Nika. And just reminder. Mila Sherman is giving a speech. Yeah. That's not fair. That's not fair. Yeah. Okay. So. Excuse me. I'm sorry that someone else was talking. So do we need to vote on this schedule? Athena. Yeah. Let's see if there's a motion to adopt the schedule as presented at this meeting. Okay. Oh, I will, I will, I will move. Thank you. Second. Okay. So I'm going to give a call Andy. Yes. Shalini. Yes. Dorothy. Yes. And I'm a yes. Great. Okay. So we are going to move on to public comment. We have anyone with us. In the audience. I see that we have two Darcy to one and Jennifer. Hi to both of you. Thank you for joining us. Would either of you like to make a comment and or so would you raise your hand please? Okay. Jennifer. Oh, hi. It's really not a comment. I just was. I was just listening and I didn't know whether waste hauler was going to come up, but so I'm just in the audience. I just wanted to say that's just why I'm here. Thanks. All right. Thank you for joining. Okay. So moving right along. We are having quite a, I just saw that we have a. Caller joining us in. We were just moving out of public comment. But if you would like to make one, please. We're going to move right into approval of the minutes. We're going to keep moving. We're going to move right into approval of the minutes. We're going to move right into approval of the minutes. And we will be back. Please stay with us and we will bring you in. Okay. I'm going to keep moving. We are having a fairly brief meeting this evening. But we're going to move right into approval of the minutes. So we have both of December. 15th. And our January. December 15th, 2022 and our January 12th, 20, 23 minutes, Anyone have a chance to minutes? Okay. All right. Would anyone like to move to approve the minutes? I'm happy to. If I may before I'll make the motion in just a second, but. I offered some changes and. To the first set of minutes. And they have been adopted and the Athena sent out revised minutes. And shallony may have also made some suggested changes. To one portion of those minutes also. And I think that everything has been incorporated from our suggestions. So. Based upon. That I would like to move that we approve. The minutes. As. Amended. For. December 15, 2022. And as submitted. For January. 12. 2023. Could ask a question. I thought I'd printed to December 15th minutes and. Throw it out, but the one that I have in my hand does not say revised. Does it say revised on the minutes? I didn't put revised. I didn't put red lines. I just, I'm sorry. The updated draft didn't include that. The one that's posted it has been updated. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Do we have a second? Second. Okay. Thank you, Dorothy. Thank you. Thank you. All right. We'll have a call and shall any. Yes. Andy. Yes. Dorothy. Yes. And I am a yes. Thank you. All right. We will move on to announcements. Does anyone have an announcement that they would like to share. I think there's a lot coming up. Black history, mom, but go ahead, Andy. Yeah, I guess. I should say that Shelley and I is the two. Cosponsor members of this committee cosponsors of. The bylaw proposed on trash hauling changes. That we are, you know, we have talked about trying to strengthen the work plan. And I think that one of our first step is going to be. Suggesting that we inquire. With the town manager and the superintendent of public works. About where things stand. As far as what they have in a work plan. With Susan wait and what the timeline is. For Susan wait to complete the work that they've asked her to do. And then. I think that we'll be in a position to. Move forward. And actually. Define the steps that need to belong to the committee. And that we would like to have a goal. Of making sure that a bylaw amendment. Is in final form for, for presented. Presentation to the council and action to the council. And I think that we'll be able to do that. During everyone's current term. I'll turn it to Shalini. Anything to add. And thank you, Andy, for providing that update. I completely agree with that. And I think I just wanted to. Add to that. I just wanted to add that. And I think that. I just wanted to add. About and the workflow. From Susan, then I think then. It's on us as the TSO committee. We can work with Anika to come up with the. You know, in the agenda, how to create a work plan for us. In terms of the discussion points that we need to have for the bylaw with respect to the bylaw. And. The zero waste. Group did a residence survey that's a Susan had asked them to do. To get feedback from the existing residents about. Different questions and that was vetted by some of us counselors and also by the town staff. And they're like 400 residents who have so far responded to that. So like, there's going to be a really healthy amount of information that Susan will get from the residents. And then the other thing is. I think. Once we have as Andy was saying that information, then I think we need to sit with you and you can figure out the plan and. Set the dates for the other committee members to also send their non-financial. Is that Athena too much? Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, so this becomes a little bit tricky because if the three of you sit down and meet, then it is a meeting of the TSO. So. One of us. Yeah. So, so I had suggested to a Nica that we have a preliminary conversation with Paul because it's going to take quite a bit of coordination between the committee members. And staff and Paul. Right. And I was sort of using Mandy's CRC. And I think that's going to take a little bit of coordination between the committee members. And I think that's going to take a little bit of coordination. Work plan as sort of a template. And yeah. And so that's going to take quite a bit of coordination. Obviously Paul is he's not here tonight. He's gone today and tomorrow. So we're hoping to have sort of an initial conversation with him before the next TSO meeting. And then a much more robust conversation with TSO to sort of kind of put the. Put the initial steps into that. Work plan using the CRC work plan as a guide. So that's going to take a little bit of coordination between the committee members and staff. And I think that's going to be helpful for at that point. So we were hoping to just sort of. Browse through what TSO has on its plate tonight. And then get, get more into it next time when Paul with us. Okay. That would be amazing. Thanks for letting me jump in and. Yeah. No, no, no. That's really helpful. Yeah. Thank you. Kelly or Ham is up. I just wanted to ask for the sake of the minutes. This is a question for Andrew Steinberg. I think we had a little bit of a question for the panel. So what do we have now? By law that you are making the announcement about previously. What do we do? What do we have it now? It's shallownay. Is it on the. Worksheet. The way taller by law. It says universal refuse, comma recycling and combo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You tend to use shorthand a lot. Chill. So just once more, it's universal refuse. Comma. Recycling. Recycling. And composting. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. Right. Yeah. So, and I'll also add just quickly. I know last. Meeting before we were, before I actually, my battery was lost. I was just giving a brief update on the walk. We had an East pleasant. And we were actually looking at a dark patch at sidewalk and. And then I wanted to thank Paul, who's not here with us. You know, I'm happy to report that that light is back on. So yes. And that has made a big difference. Thank you all for that work. Great. So with that. Speaking of, so here is what we. Have on our plate and have in process. Have. Finished. So right in front of us is just what we have finished and. What is not complete and what is in process. And then again, what we have not started yet. Has everyone had a chance to look through this list? I have, but I have to say that a lot of it is. The stuff underneath. Under other regular business per committee charge. That so much of that is extraordinarily general. That I don't really know. You know what we will do. The only one that I had anything specific on was the last one. Which was review and make recommendations. Town council on issues and measures regarding the relationship. To the town of Amherst institutions of higher education. And I just learned something interesting. With maybe last night of the night before at the CSSJC meeting. That. You mass used to have an upward bound program. On it. I think it was, I think it was that meeting. Or it might have been another meeting. I was, I've been on a lot of meetings. And I think that there used to be an upward bound program, which was really good. And you know, I served. Bob and I were counselors on an upward bound program. Long, long time ago on the Cornell campus. And we have sometimes bumped into some of the students who are on it. And they have said, you know, life changing. Very important. And I think that one of our. Institutions of higher education. I think we should have an upward bound program again. I think we should have an upward bound program again. I think we should have an upward bound program again. Amherst college. I know they have a lot of fine programs in the summer. When I did there for the co-festival. Theater project. I'd see groups of young people around. But this would be a program just for people who lived in. Young people who lived in Amherst. Whereas I think the Amherst college programs draw from a very much wider. Group. I mean, I think the Amherst college program. You know, this is a man, Don Brown. So he was actually the first. Black director for upward bound here in Amherst and the youngest. My mom was actually at upward bound. And I think you have generations up to like fairly recently. That were there. So I do think that. That is in the worst. It was also community member, Jim Collins, who was a direct, the director for. The Amherst college program. It was in the 70s. It was in the 70s. Well, I was, I was on it. Probably the first year it existed. It was 1966. In Amherst. No. Oh yeah. I was talking about the one here in Amherst. One here. Yeah. But 70s was pretty early days. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. One here. I was, I actually was just talking with. With John Brown last night. He talks about upward bound all the time. It's a great. Program. And I believe some of that work is, is still, they, they have, there's definitely a group here. That still does this, this work with, with upward bound. Yeah. Yeah. They still have one on the ground that they're. Barcially at UMass. I'll, I'll remember the woman's name that I know leads it now. The work that they're doing to reinitiate. And I'll definitely connect you with those names. You're welcome. Very much. Thank you very much. Any other. Yeah, I just wanted to speak to the community. Engagement process that I had presented early on, and we never put a closure to it. But I just want to say that we round that process in CRC with the rental resident. Residential. Residential rental by-law. Yeah. And we did the survey and we've gone through the whole process almost. So there was a lot of lessons that we learned what worked, what didn't work. And. I think. Just. Seeing how powerful it is when you. Get a robust participation from the different stakeholders, because normally we tend to hear from the same group, but just by making a little bit of a difference. We did hear from a lot more tenants. We heard from a lot more landlords than we normally do. And it really provided a very well rounded. It's still not representative of the whole town for sure. But even so, we were able to get a lot more different voices, different issues. And like looking at the same issue from three days ago, we were able to get a lot more different voices, different issues, and like looking at the same issue from three days ago. And looking at the same issue from three different perspectives. I think was really helpful. So I would like to present based on the learnings from that at some point present to this committee and then see how we can formalize that and offer that as. Recommendation to the rest of council that when we are looking at issues, especially those that affect a lot of people affect the quality of their lives, how each committee can adapt it for their use. And have a process where how to go about it. Did you use something like that? Did you use that as well? When I noticed I meant to ask you when you were talking about the, the outreach that was going on for the waste, total bylaw, did you use that as well? And did you, and I also wanted to just clarify, did you say that you had 400 responses? That wasn't me or any of the council member. That was the zero waste committee. Yeah. Did they do something like what you're talking about? So they did their own survey and that is basically a survey. And it's not necessarily the process that I'm talking about, but I think it goes to speak to the idea that. So I think that's why we do a survey and using different stakeholder groups and different constitution, like, you know, different, we all, counselors have different. Email lists or different people have different lists and how we can use those to send out our surveys and collection processes to a wider swath of people. So that's what the zero waste people did. I think they sent it out to all their groups and then they sent it out to the commission. 400 people responding. But that's a little different. That's like just a survey, like what I'm proposing, which sort of I presented was just the process that we have a systematic process of defining what is the problem we're solving for. What are the intentions for a particular issue or problem that we're solving for who is getting impacted. And it sounds really cumbersome, but I think it's really a very thoughtful process. And it moves really quickly. If done properly. Can I ask a question, Shalini? Just so I know what to put in here. If that's okay. So it sounds like what you were suggesting was that. TSO take up a similar community engagement process with the refuse recycling and composting and then use that as a way to develop a tool to recommend to the council. Is that what. So that would be almost too. So actually I've already, we've already tested and tried it in CRC. So what I wanted to do for TSO was just to present it to us. And then we should definitely use it for the, for the waste. Hall or bylaw. So, but then would be kind of a separate. Yeah, I think the tool is separate. Yeah. Is it under. It's sort of under, like the advice on matters to broaden participation and ensure regular and transparent communication and outreach to residents of Amherst. I think it sort of comes under that. Right. Yeah. That makes sense that it would be. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you wanted this as like also a sub. The heading. Under here, or if we just want to include that in the work plan that's developed for that. Let me see. Under. So under you, you know, yeah. So under refuse thing, we should definitely use that process because we do want to have. Engage with different, like whether it's East getting feedback from ECAC, whether it's getting feed, like identifying. Who all, which are the committees that we want to hear from. Which, you know, what are the, who are the stakeholders that might be affected and how do we reach out to them for the public forum that we will be doing? How do we make sure that we send out and reach out to all of them. And if indeed we need other tools for engagement or is public forum going to be enough. So this is part of this process and also. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Any other thoughts? Yeah. And I think this, the speeding thing, we've been hearing a lot about that. Everyone is, you know, with all the accidents happening in our neighboring towns and here and there. And we've heard, I think all of us have heard in our neighborhood, neighborhood, some road or the other has some issue with it. So I want to hear what Andy has to say about it. Yeah, I raised my hand to comment on it too. I think that that's a big one that has is important to a lot of members of the community. We certainly have been hearing about it for a long time, going back to the last election and before. What I had suggested. If the time was in the very first year of the council. This was the whole subject of. The public ways was actually assigned to CRC. And TSO was split off because CRC was so big. That it didn't make sense. But that the then members of CRC. Received a very helpful presentation. From Captain Ting of the police department. And Jason skills, the traffic engineer. From the. Public works. And they talked about what were the challenges to. Creating changing speed limits and enforcing speed limits. And what the law is. And at this point. If we're going to take this up again, and I think that we should be considering it because there's a lot of anxiety about it. We may want to ask. Captain Ting and. I think it would be a good idea. If they would come back to the committee. To this committee. And sort of repeat the presentation. And because I think that it was, it was helpful, but it got lost because it was lost to the committee that. Just had no capacity to deal with it. At all. And. But the whole question of. What the law says about how you. How a town or city can change. Speed limits and. What the process is what the standards are. Is a. Not a simple issue. And. Then all of the other pieces that I described. Thank you. Very soon. Shawnee. Did anyone else want to say something? I'm happy to speak. I just wanted to say I made a note of the anti suggestion on here. I'm sending it to all of you. So you have it. And then I need to hop off. But I'll send this back to you with those changes. Thank you. I was just going to say that at the MMA, I spoke with people from the select board at in Hadley. And because of the recent accident, they actually spoke with the people at DOT. And so they were saying that the DOT has really changed the stance is very cooperative now. I don't know if that's something, but I was just wondering, and then I also spoke with. One of the council members from North Hampton, and they're also dealing with the speeding issue and all. So I wonder if it makes sense to. Reach out to them and see what they have learned. And in terms of the process. And how we can move forward. Yeah, you just have to be careful because I have. You have to remember that Hadley, their problem was. Route nine and that's a state highway. It is a different center. True. And a lot of the streets that we have. We do have a section of route nine that. Is that lookable to the same laws, but it's really the section. Okay. Out towards your house. And that's where you live. A lot is some of the other. Parts and. That's not where the largest. Plains come from. I think we can all name the streets that we hear about from. There is people in. None of them are. State. State roads. Okay. Major arterial roads of the town. Okay. So maybe we can at least send. Anika our list of like all the emails that we receive from our residents that these are the roads that we've heard. There's been a problem. And so we can all send it all to you and Athena or whatever. And then. And then the staff will know like which roads are stayed and which are our town and how we can move forward then. We'll be helpful. Thank you. All right. Any other comments. Or thoughts about upcoming. Okay. All right. So with that, we do not have. There was something brought up that was not anticipated. So there you are. Okay. Sorry. That's okay. Okay. So that's just the last thing in, we have all these things. And again, my question would be how are we prioritizing in terms of. Should we do them in parallel or. Like the ones that, so one of the things is that the waste by law, we do know that it has been accepted as a town manager goal. And so that's definitely a priority. And even given the number of residents who've spoken in favor. So that's a priority. That's something we can start working on immediately, but I'm not saying we should only work on that. So that the way we're doing in CRC is like, we have been working on the rental with a lot of focus, but then there are other issues that come up. So we keep time for other issues as well. So, but again, the other issues, how are we prioritizing? Like do we do speeding? Do we do community engagement? Well, you know, what could be helpful as Athena pointed out, we will have a permanent meeting just about some upcoming agendas. And so perhaps if everyone could send. Similar to. How Dorothy suggested last year, you know, order of priorities and just send them. You know, to Athena and I, and then we'll, you know, come up with something and of course, bringing it back to the committee so we can sort it out together and adjust what needs be, but then at least we have, you know, we, we have a clear understanding. We know what, we know what our parties are, then we'll know what everyone thinks and move it forward to make sure that we fit, we fit it in. Within this year and can track our progress. Does that sound okay? Everyone? Do we have a template to rank, rank it or should we, I think last year we were sent a major or should we take this list and then write in rank order it or something? Yes, that, that would be helpful. I mean, if you'd like something that's a little more specific, we can send it. If you could go from the list and just put what, what your thoughts and then even others, whatever else might come to mind after the meeting. Great. So we can just put a rank order like one, two, three, four, like that, something like that. Just, just give me one moment. I just want to give a date for that. So that way I can bring all of that with me and hang on just one moment. Sorry. Okay. So if you could do this, if everyone could get us to it, then I'd buy the second or buy the, actually the first if possible, the first of February. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Just ranking the four. That our marks is still leading work. Yes. Or not started yet even to anything that is, that is there aside for, if it's not finished is up for grabs. It's up for rank. And if there's something else that you think of that you want, then add that as well. I'm not sure. I don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure if you can. I'm not sure what might be referred to us. If other things come before the council and then get, get referred to a committee. Yes. So we could be picking up others. We don't know anything about. This is true. So we can have, but this is what we know. And then of course we leave. Room the next part is what else could come to us. I think it's coming to us, but. All right. This was a quick meeting, but it's nice seeing all of your faces again and down. So I will see you soon and meeting adjourned. Have a great rest of the night. Thank you. Congratulations for being chair.