 It's always a pleasure when my boy Tony drops by the studio, man. I like to call him Jeffery. You like Jeffery? I think it's like a pet name. That's the name I like to call him. Isn't this the this is like the last stretch, right? Yes, home stretch before the box and burns in in the house. Man, excited to have Tony stopping by and saying hi and what what not. But I'm so glad you guys have come back to mind pump. We had so many people say what an awesome course it was. And this is the the final week for those. It's limited space available. I think there's a few slots left to get in there. So it's a buzz going around this right now, for sure. Tony, this is level one course on June 10th being taught for your your your course. What are trainers going to learn in this course? Yes. So in our course, you'll learn how to teach boxing or the people to your clients, your friends, whoever you want to teach to you learn how to wrap hands, how to do a boxing specific warm up, how to box. It's important that you know how to box before you go ahead and try and teach it. We're going to shadow boxing and then how to hold the mitts, the focus, the mitts, the pads. That's one of the most addictive workouts that people love. That's why we haven't so much sex. Oh, yeah. Listen, that's another benefit to the course. You have a lot of sex. I don't know where the fuck that goes, but success, success. We're leaving that in, sir. That's why we're having so much success. Well, hey, that's why I'm having so much sex, too. Let's be honest. Let's be honest, man. You do the boxing workouts. You know how to sell them. I'll give you that. You'll be having more sex as well. Yeah, I've been active lately, you can tell. Yeah, we haven't so much success in the box and burn gyms in California because people who love the focus mitts love to hit them and get great results from it. And like I say, clients get addicted to these workouts. I know a few years have done the boxing, but when you do in boxing, one benefit of it is like you get better every single time. Like, like you're on my box with your one day and then the next day you're going to see improvements instantly. Then the next day you'll see improvements instantly because people get better and better. You learn it so fast. Do you think that that's because there's addictive, huh? Is that you think that's because there's like so many little details that you can continue to improve upon? Like kind of reminds me like golfing, right? Golfing is such a detailed sport. Like I feel like boxing is kind of the same thing. There's so many movements going on. I've never heard anyone compare golf to boxing before. Well, in fact, I do. Because I see when you when you throw your right hand, you turn your hips similar to golf. Right. And you and you're using both. I mean, it's a there's not a lot of nuances. There is. That's probably a better word for it, Justin. There's there's more nuances with it than almost anything else that I can think of. The coordination that it takes so I could see how you would see lots of improvements just doing it more reps and more. And then there's always more you can learn more combinations. You know, I was punch harder, punch faster. So it's yeah, it's really addictive. And I think now in this day and age, everyone wants that instant gratification. I think with the boxing training, you really get that because you are getting better each day. And that's why it's addictive. Well, one of the one of the keys to being a successful personal trainer, especially if you're going to be doing this as a career, is to be able to offer variety to your clients, to be able to have more tools in your tool belt, to make workouts fun and help people discover a passion for fitness. And among all of the modalities of training and exercise, boxing is one of the most fun. And you as a trainer, you know, here's the deal. When you're doing cardio with your clients, you're not doing it with them. Typically, you're counting for them or you're watching their form. And that's all very important. But when you're holding mitts for a client, it's like you're in there with that client. And it does, I mean, people love it. They really, really like it. And your course really teaches how to do it the right way because I've seen so many people do it. And I look at them, I'm like, they have no business teaching. That's a great point as a trainer. You don't want to just sit there and stare at your client on the treadmill. You don't want to be that guy. So this is a great way to get involved with the conditioning of your client. When you're in there with your client, holding the mitts, you're building the relationship, you're close. It's a pretty intimate thing. And yeah, I think it's really good for building relationships. And that's something that we're getting to in the level one course, how to build relationships and how to retain clients. We talk about that a lot because you can get people to come and train with you once. But are they going to come back? And we talk about that. And with boxing, that really helps them come back to do it again. And as well as this, you also get the CEUs for NASA, ES, ISSE, for all these major CEUs. Which you need to get anyway. I mean, if you're certified with these nationally recognized certifications, they require you get these CEUs. Otherwise, you lose your certification. And this counts towards that. So it's been recognized by the major organizations. And I can't think of, I mean, there's so many continuing education-type classes you can take. This one, I think, is one of the most valuable, especially. Very hands-on, which is nice. Well, your client's going to like it. They're going to really like it right away. Well, something we haven't addressed either is, and Justin talks a lot about, rotational strength. And boxing is a great way to involve that in a fun way that we tend to lose as we're adults. When we were kids and we were running around the soccer field and basketball and playing on the parks, and you get a lot of that rotational, multi-planar movement, where we start to lose that as we get older. So I love to incorporate boxing with clients just for that simple fact that we start to lose this rotational strength. And so there's something to be said about teaching clients that and the benefits of that. Absolutely. Yeah, it is one of the biggest trends in fitness right now. Boxing, there's boxing gyms opening up everywhere. I don't know both San Jose, but in Santa Monica, there's like 10 boxing gyms now when we were the first ones there. It's getting really, really popular. They want to be like you guys. Yeah, they do, which is great, because it's bringing more people in. They're more into their clients, more into people who's never tried boxing before. They're going to try it at their gyms. And yeah, it's all right. They'll look for somewhere else and they'll come and find us. That's it, man. Because you guys are the best ones. Go to the master's. So if you go to Box and Burn Academy, that's Box, the letter N, burnacademy.com. If you enter the code MindPump, you get $100 off every course now. What's coming up right now is the one in San Jose in MindPump Media headquarters. You get to come and take the course that's taught by the Box and Burn Academy in the MindPump Media facility that's June 10th. It's a level one course. And then if you're in Australia and you're listening right now, there's another one the following month, July 6th and 7th, and that's level one and level two. And that one's going to be pretty awesome as well. Yeah, it's going to be really good. Check it out. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MindPump, MindPump, with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of MindPump. Mundupump. For the first 51 minutes, Adam, Justin, and I have our usual introductory conversation. We talk about HustleCon. Get your hustle on. It's the HustleCon. HustleCon is coming up. This is a great event for entrepreneur-minded individuals. Now, tickets are normally like $300 and something. $399. They're getting them for $250, so it's $150 bucks off. We got a hookup for you. Go to hustlecon.com. Enter the code MindPump. Get $150 off access to HustleCon. That's how we roll. We talk about Justin's dog and in his eyeball bouncy ball fiasco. Yeah, man. You had to go through his poop to find that. You shit out of an eyeball. We talk about Adam's dog's panty fetish. No, just like his owner. You guys are eating the panties. Like doggy like owner. We talk about the movie Adrift. It was bad ass. And our criteria for choosing a movie. We're trying to never told that by the cover. Yeah, trying to figure out who's picking Sal's movies. Yeah, that's good. We talk about dog breeding and the anatomy of a dog fight. We talk about the NBA Playoffs, a little update. And adding Organifi protein powder to oatmeal, something I like to do. We are sponsored by Organifi. We have a massive discount exclusive for MindPump listeners. If you go to OrganifiShop.com, enter the code MindPump. You'll get that discount. Split is live! Oh, yeah, Maps Split. It's up. Holy shit, it's Split. Our newest program. It's our most advanced bodybuilding-based program. You dared us to do it. Maps Split. They thought we couldn't do it. Now, you can get $50 off. This is what you do. Plus a t-shirt. Plus a free t-shirt. If you go to MapsSplit.com, enter the code Split50. You'll get $50 off. This promotion ends June 10th. Then we talk about morality. Is it subjective or objective? We'll get into that a little bit. And then we talk about whether or not MindPump's dogmatic. Somebody said that we were dogmatic. Just you. Yeah, we'll see about that. And then we gave some gut health updates. And then we get into the questions. The first question was, how do we suggest somebody overcome the anxiety of body image issues when it's time to gain some weight? So sometimes it's important to increase your calories. Go on a little bulk, if you will. But if somebody's super scared about gaining weight or has really bad body image issues, what are some good approaches that someone can use to get past that? The next question was, do we think that raw determination and will to overcome when it comes to physical and mental challenges is something that you're born with? Or can it be trained? The next question was, maybe it's Maybelline. How does growing older, nobody's going to know that. It's such an old one. Come on, somebody will get it. How does growing older really affect your progress and results in the gym? And what do we think we're going to look like when we're 60? I think I look like I'm 60 now. And the final question, we had to imagine, if we were wingmanning for each other, how would we sell each other to the opposite sex? Based off our answers, you guys can pick who you'd rather have as a wingman. Who would you rather have? That's a good one. Who would you rather have wingmanning for you? And I did talk again about Maps Split. It is our launch. There is a discount, mapsplit.com, enter the code split 50 for $50 off. We are also running a simultaneous promotion for Maps Anywhere. We wanted to make sure we offered a more appropriate program for beginners, which would be Maps Anywhere. And we're doing a 50% off sale price on Maps Anywhere. For the first time ever. Half off. For Anywhere. Yeah, cut the price in half. That's going on all month long. That's at mindpumpmedia.com. T-shirt time! And it's t-shirt time. Hey! Booyah! We have 33 reviews. Oh wow, look at that. All saw us do something. You know what? That's my favorite number. You guys know that? 33 is? Yeah. For reals? Really? That's weird. It's good. Yeah, I think it's good luck. Three is supposed to be a good luck, right? Yeah, it has to be. Three, seven. I don't care if it is or not. This is my favorite number, always. Okay. Well, excellent. Nine people is very lucky because you're getting a shirt. Is that Larry Bird? Yeah. Okay. That's why. All right, predictable. The nine winners are a Maya Knight, normal Oscar 92, Jay Cocaine. Oh, I like that guy. He's down. Dasher Smasher, MC Clap Yo Hands, Steph Smith, Inding Girl, Cranky Sue, Danny Fink. Little bitchy. Hailey does things 88. What kind of things, Hailey? What kind of things? Wait, is she 88 or born in 88? Makes a big difference. All of you are winners. Send a name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com. That's an email address. Send the name I just read to that email. Send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to ya. What were you talking to Taylor about, or HustleCon? Yeah, yeah, no. So we're sending, well, I guess we could talk about this now. I hope you guys are cool with the approval on this. So I gave the approval to, I bought tickets for Taylor and for Eli to go to HustleCon, I think. As long as we don't go over the $10 budget. It's a little over that. These are real thrifty there. $300 tickets. But what's cool is, and this is who we had Sam Parr, who's the creator of The Hustle. The Hustle is the one who introduced me to this. Oh, right. I remember now. Right, right. So it's been going for years. Taylor's told me about it before. He really wanted to go. So worse than that. Now what's cool is Taylor was already gonna go. We invited Eli and then he actually reached out and got in touch with HustleCon and told them like, hey, here's the deal. I'm coming no matter what, but the boys are pro all of this, what's going on, and is there anything that we could do for mind pump listeners? So they actually hooked it up. So it's $3.99 for a ticket to even go to this thing. Now you gotta be, these are like entrepreneur, startup founders. Like these are people, if you're interested in starting a business or whatever, those are the people that go, right? Yeah, but they're relatable. These are not like super techy about it. Like they have a good story behind it that you can kind of get a lot out of. The blue bottle coffee guy will be speaking. They've got great coffee. They've got the Twitch person there, the founder of the blue coffee, like you said. There's I think like 12 speakers that are slotted for like 20 minutes. So it's like 20 minutes they get up there and they talk about their story on how they feel. And it's kind of cool. Growth, marketing, hiring, getting started. So anybody that's like, if you're somebody who is an entrepreneur or you're in business, I think this is like an awesome opportunity to go do this. I think it's cool. I think it's hip. I like what they're doing. Have you guys ever been to, not that I know none of us have been to Hustle Con, but have you ever been to things like this? Yeah, I've been to like an incubator and I've actually watched like Shark Tank type events where they go up there and they do pitch, which is really, man, it's totally an educational process if you go to business to see how they present themselves, like what they found in their business that worked for them and what they didn't work. So it's just another way to kind of evaluate and see how you can apply these things to your own business. I find stuff like this more valuable today than, cause I've been to stuff like this before, but today I think there's so much more valuable because the marketplace is so different, so fast too. It's such a dynamic changing marketplace. This is a cool place to go to this too, just because the Bay Area is networking. The Socon Valley is moving fast with startups and stuff like that. And this is in Oakland, so it's June 22nd. It's in Oakland. I was getting around to telling you guys how much you saved through Mind Pump, which is really neat, is it's $3.99 right now. You can get it for $2.50, so $150 off by using the Mind Pump code. Holy shit, that's not bad. Right, right. So I think that's really cool. So they're doing a really cool kickback for you guys that are listeners to Mind Pump. So, you know, this isn't for everybody. If you're not an entrepreneur, then obviously it's probably not going to be. Yeah, it probably doesn't apply. Yeah, it doesn't really apply to you, but I know we do have a lot of entrepreneurs. And Taylor will be there, and so will Eli. So some of our team, and one of us may go too. So I was talking to Taylor about possibly speaking. Oh, I love it. If you guys really got into the hustle and opted in and been reading their e-mails, every day it's great. They do such a good job. They really do a good job. So Justin, I want to hear about your dog. Oh man, that's quite the drama this weekend. I get the picture you sent. It looks like a real eyeball. It swallowed. Yeah, it was a bouncy ball that my son had. And I wasn't around when it happened, but I guess he swallowed it. He's just like eating stuff, chewing everything, and he's just the wild animal right now. Like, we're working on the training, but yeah, so he swallowed this, and for a couple days he was kind of having, he was puking and having issues. And so we brought him into the vet, and they x-rayed and they found that ball that was stuck in his small intestine. And so they're like, oh no, you need to go to the ER and go take him in. And so we took him over there and I was talking to the veterinarian and we were going through options and everything and it made it sound like, well, normally what we would do is we would have him on fluids. And so we put an IV in him on fluids and hoped that he could pass it. So it would overnight, like if he had enough fluids, it would like move through and kind of he could poop it out. And, but she, like the veterinarian was like, nah, this like highly, highly, highly unlikely that's gonna happen, you know, like, and so we were just looking at surgery. And so I was like, oh man, surgery really? I was like, ah, that sucks. Five grand, like out of pocket, no insurance. Isn't it crazy how they can do that with like animals? Like they can get you for like five times what you paid for the dog? Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what I was thinking. I was like, this is way more than I ever paid for. I got so mad at me when they hit me with the bill too and I'm like, huh, we could go buy two more new bulldogs. Oh no. Yeah, she was hella pissed. Oh, I know. Of course, yeah. You cannot replace her. Well, reality, you obviously are right. Ryan, it's tough because they, and I don't know if like, I mean, I don't want to put like this veterinarian on blast, but it was like, it was definitely like, I could feel a little bit of the hustle behind it, right? So there's a business end of it and I get it. Like they want to make money, you know, with everybody that comes in there and you could visibly see that as a salesperson myself. And, you know, my wife didn't really see it as much because she's like really concerned. You know, I'm like really like, oh my God. Like, because she knew all the ramifications of if it didn't move, like this would happen, then this would happen and it'd be really bad, really bad news for the dog. And I was just like, I was just like money, you know, okay, oh my God, like really? Like, and I'm reading the sheet. They didn't want me to read the sheet too much. It's like, oh here, and then like turn the page on me, had me sign this thing, had me put it down payment, like really quick, like they were trying to move me along and hustle me through it. And by the time I left, my wife went to work and I was just driving with my son and they had Arlo and I was just like reflecting on it. And I was like, oh, you know, when you get that buyer's remorse, you know, and I just had that gut feeling. I was just like, ugh, like that just didn't feel right. And I was just like, wait a minute, there was another option, you know? It's like, call back and I'm like, look, I don't know. Like, I don't know if I'm okay with like surgery and like going with that right now. I was like, let's go ahead and go with like plan A, you know, like let's see if things progress. And I was like, what am I looking at with that? Like, you know, are you gonna be able to, if there's problems, whatever you can intervene, then you can do the surgery, you know? Like, let's go with that. And begrudgingly, they were just like, well, you could do that. I'm just gonna say that's probably not likely gonna happen. And then we're just gonna incur another couple hundred dollars. It was like seven to 900 more dollars, you know, keeping them overnight and doing that process that they're gonna add to the bill. And I was like, fuck, I was like going through all this money in my head and I was like, oh. And I was like, you know what? But that's only a couple hundred like added to it. But at that point. Yeah, you already have five grand. What's 5,700? What's another, yeah. What's 5,700 when you're spending five Gs over, right? So I'm just running those numbers. And I'm like, you know, this makes the most sense. And then, so yeah. So they basically put a cancel to the surgery. And okay, so I guess I sound like an asshole, but like, I seriously was just crossing my fingers, you know, and overnight. And then the morning we get a call, yeah, so you did everything you're supposed to do, it passed and went through. And I was just like, yeah! Shut up, was punched in the ceiling, dude. It's a $5,000 shit right there, man. You know what I'm saying? That was a gold nugget, he just shit out. You imagine if he forgot that he swallowed that and he's like, he poops and he looks like, what the fuck? It's a rubber ball, it looks like an eyeball. It just starts bouncing, donk, donk, donk. Dude, I haven't shared with you guys this. So Bentley has this fetish with Katrina's panties. Oh, wow. You know what they say about dogs on their own? And so, the. So the first. He is related to you, Adam. The first time that we found this out, we didn't know what would happen is Katrina's panties would go missing, you know, she'd be like, have you seen my deal, my favorite, whatever panties? And I'm like. She's like, it's either Adam or the dogs. Someone's stealing these. And she's all, you know, I saw Bentley sucking on him and I took him away from him, so I don't. Oh my God. And I'm like, really? And she's all, yeah, so whatever, right? So a couple of days goes by and I see Bentley in the yard and he takes his shit and afterwards he's got like this thing, like halfway hanging on his ass. I go over and I pull on it and there's fucking her panties. And I'm like, oh my God. So he's done this like three times, dude. And what's funny about it is, you know, it's just before we go to bed, we strip down in our clothes. We just throw our clothes on the floor at night and then the morning. He doesn't need your underwear. No, he just never touches my underwear ever. Ever. He's never ate my shoes, never touched my underwear, doesn't do the stuff like that. But he has a thing with her panties, man. That's the funniest thing. That's why I think we're all animals deep down. Right, I find that really fascinating. This is like I eat panties too. I eat panties. He's like, it's a thing. It's a thing that I have. They seem to pass pretty well though. In case you're wondering. So my, okay, good. In case this happens to you, you won't get such. So my ex recently, it's funny we're talking about dogs. My ex just recently bought a dog and part of the, she's never owned a dog before in her life, but and so the kids have begged her for a dog. I can't have a dog because where we're staying, where we live doesn't allow for pets. So she's been thinking about it. So I talked to her and I'm like, look, if you travel or something like that, I'll help you. And, you know, trying to kind of help her convince to get, you know, get the dog because I know it's such a good thing for kids. So now they have this little rescue like poodle mix dog, right? She went on vacation. So I've been watching this dog for the past like four or five days. It's such a little mangy, cute, sweet little dog. It's so like the most spoiled animal of all time. Jessica's making fun of me because I carried it everywhere. I told her I was gonna get a baby dog. I'm like, I'm gonna get a baby born and put it in. She looked at me and she's like, no, you're not. I'm like, why not? She's like, no, you're not gonna revoke your man car. You're not gonna, but he's, he's so funny. You have to like, I like feed him by hand because he doesn't want to eat right now. Cause he's all depressed and shit. Cause he, you know, he just got rescued from a, is that normal? That's normal, right? When you rescue a dog. Oh, it's a rescue. Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm sure to go through that a bit. Yeah, dude. So, but it's, it's fun. We were watching TV yesterday, just laying on my lap. How are the kids doing with it? They love them. He's, he's just super relaxed. He's like super chill. It's always interesting to watch the kids now and then when he grows out of his puppy face, right? Every, if every kid loves the puppies when they're little and they want to play with them, they want to touch them 24 seven. Yeah. Then about six to eight weeks go spy. And then it's like all set at the chore again. Yeah. It's good responsibility. No, it is. It's really, really good responsibility. And it's, it's good to have an animal. I told you guys, I talked about this earlier or before in another episode where studies will show that when kids grow up with animals, the risk of things that with like autoimmune issues go down considerably. I think from exposure to, you know, pet dander and bacteria and stuff that the dogs bring in. It's better for their immune system. So, dude, you know what movie I watched this weekend that you guys have to watch? Which one? It was really, really fucking good. A drift. Did you guys watch? The theater? Yes, yes. Have you guys seen the trailer for that? Uh-uh. So it's a true story about this young couple. It was in 1983 that goes sailing across the Pacific and they hit a storm and were a drift for 41 days. Oh, shit. Holy shit. And it's true. It's a totally true story. How did they get water? You know, they had so- That's the hardest part, right? Don't spoil it. I don't want to spoil it. I don't want to spoil it. They drank a lot of pee. But it was really, really, there it is. It was a really, really well-made movie because the story itself is compelling, obviously. I mean, somebody who's, you know, you got to survive out in the middle of the ocean for 41 days. That's crazy. I just want to ask real quick why we're looking at this cover, this movie right here, that when you and your girl sit down and you are looking at movies to go watch this weekend. No, this looks total romantic, you know, comedy. I'm wondering how- I'm wondering how- I'm so sappy. How much say you have in these movies? Is it kind of like the- Is it like the music at the workout in the morning? Is it kind of similar to that? No, no, no. I feel like you can't- There's a lot of really good movies out right now. You know what? I have to say this isn't good because it sounds good, I'm interested. No, no, no. This movie is an excellent, excellent movie. And yes, I did want to watch it. Here's the thing about- Because I just couldn't, I couldn't see, because Katrina and I were literally two nights ago- Trust me. Scrolling through the movies that were out and this one didn't even- Trust me. Jump on my radar. Trust me. Super right. I saw Deadpool already. You did. Yeah, and here's the thing. I love the movie so much. It's not hard to convince me to watch a movie that- I'm the same way too. I'll watch almost anything. In your defense, I'm the same way too. Yeah, I'll watch almost anything. I'll watch a lot of stuff. But no- I'm looking right now at all of these- Yeah, based on the cover, I would probably like say no. Look at the ratings on it. See what the critics are saying. It says no score yet. Okay, it's an exceptionally well-made movie because the story itself is compelling, but you know, the way they dramatize it, they can make it a good movie It doesn't even have a score yet, Sal. Like what led you to go like this right here, honey? You just took a chance on that one. There you go, audience score, 81%. Okay, on the app there's no score on it. Is that a good score, 81%? Oh yeah. For sure. Rod Tomatoes, 71. What's considered a good- 67 and above is my marker. Oh, is it really? I'll go see something as low as 67. Well, there you go, dude. Anything less than that tends to be crappy. Unless it has something like, so because we know that most of the movie critics in here, even though this is supposed to be, so I like the audience, right? That's, I go by that number more than Rod Tomatoes. Rod Tomatoes is critics. Yep, yep. I'm with you. Yeah, so you have critics that are gonna hate on it. And both of you haven't seen Solo yet, right? I saw it. You did? I did. I wasn't impressed. No, I'm good, yeah. I wasn't impressed. I think we talked about it. Yeah, I was trying to like it really like hard and it's just, I'm worried about the franchise. Yeah, look at that audience, audience score on that was only 64%. Yeah. See, a drift, better moving. See, it would have made it. So you missed by 3% for me. Yeah, he did, yeah. Damn. So what did you guys end up doing? Justin's obviously you were watching your dog. What did you do anything this weekend? I was over, I went over to the valley. I went over and seen my best friend and his parents, which are like my second parents and went and visited his new French Bulldog, dude. I took a picture. I put a post-it on it. Puppy? Yes, the little white one. Oh, I did see that, yeah. Oh, dude, he's cool. I love French Bulldogs. So do I. You're a cute dog. French Bulldogs come from the same strain, not strain, excuse me, the same like breed roots. Do they both come from, cause you have an English Bulldog. Right. Are they related to a French Bulldog? To a French Bulldog? Sure, I guess. I mean, maybe the English Bulldogs are born in England and the other ones are born in France. Someone along the lines they bang. Yeah, no, I mean, I actually don't know much about the French lineage as much as I do about the English Bulldog. It's, I'm sure it's a similar terrier mix and pit bull type of mix. They probably all have, they're the same similar bloodline. You have American, you have English, and you have French, and they're all related, but I don't know the exact. I'm sure there's somebody on here who's- Dogs are- Team America. Dogs fascinate this shit out of me because they have, there's something, I can't remember what it was specifically, but there's something in their DNA that allows them to evolve at an incredibly rapid rate, or at least you can selectively breed them to change specific features on them in ways you can't do as nearly as quickly with other animals. Because you look at most dog breeds, didn't exist 150 years ago, 200 years ago, didn't exist at all. And now we have like, you know, they range from like mini, you know, mini Chihuahuas to these, you know, great Danes that are like the size of a horse. And we still have wolves. And we still have wolves. Yeah, it's fascinating to me what we can do with dogs and the things that we can focus on with through the breeding. Like, you know, because I've been looking into it because I said, like I said, my ex has a dog and the dog that we have as a rescue dog is kind of a poodle mix and small. And I'm assuming it comes from breeds that are bred to be in your lap and want to hang out with you all the time. And that's exactly what he does. He just wants to hang out the entire time. He doesn't want to do anything else that other dogs like to do. He just wants to like be on you. Your dogs are like that. English bulldogs were bred, well, at least the kind that you have were bred to be lap dogs as well. I like that. I like, I was teasing my other buddy who bought this Labidoodle. So it's a Labidor or Retriever or something. And a poodle all mixed together. It's just an ugly ass dog. It's a lame ass dog. I know I'm fending somebody who has one. Of course. They're just ugly. They're ugly and they're boring. The big dogs, like I was telling them, I was telling them, I was like, you know, hypoallergenic. Yeah, no, that's what's great. And I have allergies. And they don't shed. So I get it. Like if you have a really nice house and you don't want the dog hair where I get that. So I totally understand. But I was just teasing because what I love about the dogs, both English, French, all those is I love how they are like little humans and they have to be attached to you. They want to be everywhere you're at. They're really, really attached to the owners. Which makes them feel like they're almost like a human or a kid that you have. And so which for somebody who doesn't want to put the effort into that and doesn't want somebody who doesn't want to be bothered and they want a dog that they can throw in the backyard and just leave there for eight hours. Like that's not the dog for you, right? My boys, they go outside for 20 minutes at most to pee and kind of sunbathe for a minute. And then they're scratching at the door like, hey. They want to come back and hang out. Yeah, I live inside. I don't live outside. Oh, God forbid I give your dog any attention. He's not leaving me. They're not leaving me alone. Yeah, yeah, no. But I like that too. I'm the kind of person that, you know, I enjoy active dogs, I enjoy that kind of stuff. But I honestly would want a dog that I'm just going to chill with and hang out with. And teach Zerona. If I was some, my other buddy is an ultramarathon runner. So he has a Weimariner like Justin. So he runs and exercises. So how cool is it to have a companion that can go get on a trail with you and run for 30 miles? There's not a lot of dogs that can run for a really long time like that. So, you know, everybody is different. Like I'm definitely a chill person when I get off of work. I work like crazy and a madman doing my personal stuff. And then when I come home, I'm the guy who puts his feet up on the couch and puts the laptop. So I like having a dog that just wants to chill with me. One of my favorite breeds of dogs are the Amstaffs, American Staffordshire Terriers or, you know, Pitbull Terriers, or even the original Staffordshire Terriers, the ones that, you know, that they brought over from England. I freaking love them. I think they're so beautiful, so athletic and so strong. And there's so many misconceptions about those dogs being aggressive towards people and a lot of the stuff, which is just, it's not true. It's not true in any at all in any of their breeding. Like if you understand how dogs are bred, you can see the things that they're bred for. And Pitbulls and American Staffordshire Terriers and Staffordshire Terriers, they were bred to either catch rats and mice or to fight other dogs. But they were never bred to be aggressive towards humans because dog aggression and human aggression are two different things. And if you kind of deconstruct the anatomy of a dog fight, the way that, I had this book, I can't remember the name of the book. I think it was called Fighting Dogs, really brilliant book, and I read some others on this because I grew up with Pitbulls, so I used to read up on them. And if you look at the anatomy of a dog fight. Of course you did. I love it. If you look at the anatomy of a dog fight. This is a typical, we're all 13-year-olds, we all have dogs, we're all growing up. It sounds like, I'm gonna go read a book about this dog. I'm like, I'm gonna go play Catch with this dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna let him lick my face. I read it to him too. I was like, hey, let me tell you about it. Did you know? So a dog fight, the way, the anatomy of a dog fight is the two owners bring their dogs typically in the old style roles, or at least when most of this breeding was happening, we would trade dogs and bathe each other's dog to ensure that there wasn't anything foreign on your dog's fur that would mess with my dog. So we'd trade dogs and we'd bathe them, then we'd give them back to each other, put them in the ring. We're in the ring with the dog, along with the referee. If a dog turns and snaps or bites towards a human or shows aggressiveness towards a human, disqualify it immediately and you lose, right away, during the whole process. So yes, they were bred to wanna fight each other and to be extremely tenacious, but not to be aggressive towards people. Because if they were, then that's not a dog you'd wanna breed, you'd lose money. Well, a good trainer and this is something that I might. So they're extremely loyal and obedient. And if you're a shithead and you're a macho, cause you know, let's be honest. There's a lot of those that exist. A lot of assholes like to project their insecurities and get a strong, tough looking dog or gang bangers or drug dealers. And these dogs are so tenacious and loyal that can you train them to be aggressive towards anybody? Of course you can, and that's the problem. But on their own, they're not like that, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's always a reflection on the owner. It is, it is. I think it totally is, but I think they're really, again, it's my favorite dog, absolute favorite dog. What would you guys do this weekend? That's it, I hung out with the dog and the kids. I didn't watch the final, the NBA finals, what's going on? So tell me what's happened. That was game two, so this was our second, first game we won barely and over time. Game two, I mean we pretty much thumped in this game. Oh shit, so we won shoot a lac in. So it's best to seven, that's what it is. The way it goes is two games here with us. Then we, now we go to Cleveland for two games. That's four, then it comes back for two and then one, no, goes one, one, one, one, the rest of the way, excuse me. So it goes two, the first four games go two, two, one, one, one, the rest of the way. I'm doing my math right there. So is it, so is the strategy, like you guys explained to me, the strategy of like the team play versus the pass the ball to LeBron? Happening, it's happening. Yeah, and it's just, they're moving the ball well. It's what's really, it's honestly in my opinion, the real championship was, and I know there's LeBron fans out here that are gonna hate to hear this, but the real championship was the Warriors versus the Rockets. I don't give a fuck what you think. Just as much as I love LeBron, as much as I agree that LeBron is the greatest player to play the game, he just does not have a supporting cast around him to handle a well oiled machine like the Warriors are as far as the way they play with passing and moving the ball. And you're seeing an incredible display of that. So being a Warriors fan, it's a fun game. It's a fun series for me to watch because I love to watch when you have kind of, and I don't say perfected, but when you have really sharp- It's like watching the old model and the new model. And it's like kind of seeing that contrast. Like that old formula worked really well for a lot of years. And now it's like, you know, you can see how this new standard and team dynamic- Well, you know what I like about it? It's funny that what we're all into and what we're passionate about, part of what the passion behind Mind Pump is exposing a lot of the bullshit that's out there right now and all the hype and trying to teach people about the foundational things that have been around for a very long time. So we're all kind of purist in ourself with health and fitness. Well, that's kind of like what we're watching right now in these finals is, you know, the Warriors are a very purist type. They play fundamental basketball, which is why some people hate them. They're like, oh, it's boring because they pass and screen, you know what I'm saying? They ask you to do bank shots like John Wooden style. Right. So they play really good fundamental basketball and they are arguably the best ever at that. And, you know, LeBron James is arguably the best ever ISO ball playing guy ever. He's super flashy, does crazy awesome moves, like drains it still, but like he's fighting like three, four people at a time. Right. And he's so good that he could actually carry him and his entire team all the way to the finals because he is that fucking talented. But then when you run into a team that actually plays really good fundamental team basketball, it trumps that. Oh, it does. And it's fun to watch. Isn't that the lesson in life too? You know what I mean? It's like people working together really well. Always overpowers. It is. That's why I like it. I know. That's why I love it so much. Yes. I love that. You know, it's funny. I actually did some old things I used to do in my childhood this week. And we went creek walking and we went up and down this creek because it was so fucking hot, dude. But that was one of those things I used to enjoy so much as a kid. And we just decided like, let's just barge it. And we went for like two miles or something down this creek and just walked all the way down. And it was like, it was crazy how like, you know, when you went to Hawaii and you did that hike and you had to really pay, like make sure everything was going in the right place. Cause like all these rocks and like the creek and everything was like, it was crazy, dude. Like I had to be like on point and make sure like my kids are bounced. We were like falling and, but it was, it made it more adventurous, you know? And it makes you, it makes you have to be super present. Right? You can't be texting on your phone while you're walking across Creek Rocks. You know, it's not going to happen. It's also super rewarding when you're done. Like when you're done with it, you're like, oh shit, we did that. How did your kids feel about it? They loved it. I mean, they were complaining at some point because their feet hurt and everything, you know? And so we were doing it like barefoot and we were like barging through all these like crazy terrain and, but yeah, you're right. It was the present thing. Like I didn't think about anything at the time. It was so nice to just like, you know, be there, do that. And then we all had this sort of shared experience with it. So it was, it was awesome. Dude, the protein, the Organifi protein and oatmeal thing that I was telling you guys about. Yeah. A major hit in my house. Oh yeah. Yeah, the kids, everybody loves it. Jessica loves it. Was that not something that you used to do along? I've never done that before. Oh wow, see that when you brought that up, like it was a big deal. I was like, wow, that's, that was a very staple. You know, even before I was into competing, that was a staple meal for me. I just never done it. What I had, I always had a hard time, you know, for me being my height, my size, you know, getting enough protein in to continue to build and grow. Like I was just, I struggled with that. I was a carb fanatic. I was a sugar fanatic. So I always gravitated towards carbohydrates. So I had to find ways like, how do I bump my protein intake? And one of those ways was adding. Well, I just, because I just finished a like 60 something hour fast and I broke it in the afternoon. And then the following day I'm like, typically what I'll do is I'll go fast, hard keto. Then I'll go kind of paleo-ish and then I'll go with some starches leading into the next fast. But this time I'm like, you know what? I've been feeling kind of good. I think what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna break the fast and I'm gonna go into eating carbohydrates. And then the next fast, I'm gonna lead into that going keto. So I'm gonna flip it and see how that affects my body and see if there's a difference. Cause I can make the case for either way, right? I can make the case for leading into a fast with carbs, then fasting, which will naturally put me into keto and then staying ketosis for a little while until moving in up with the carbs. Or I can make the reverse argument and say going into a fast with keto may make it easier, drive more benefit, cause I'm already ketogenic. And then throw those carbs in to refeed, stimulate those stem cells to build new immune cells, new whatever, right? And see if I get more of that rebound kind of strength effect that I've been noticing. And so I did that and I did the Organify protein and here's a deal with oatmeal. I get this gluten-free oatmeal and it's not even made with oats. It's made with- Yeah, I was gonna say, what is it then? It's made with like amaranth in quinoa and buckwheat and some other things. And you can get it flavored with like maple or whatever. But I don't want the flavored ones because of the added sugar and stuff like that. And plain oatmeal or whatever, plain porridge, whatever you want to call it, it's okay. It doesn't taste bad or anything. You can put fruit in it, but I'd rather add some flavoring. I would rather add the Organify protein powder cause it's that chocolate flavor. Tastes really good and it's- It mixes well. And it's adding protein. So whatever. Oh dude, split, split is out. Yeah. Dude, I can't, you know what? This one's been a long time waiting, man, a long time coming. So we released it, we released map split to our forum over the, on Friday, I think it was. And we always do that, right? If we have a new program, the forum gets access to it first. So far, I've gotten some messages already from people who've been doing it. I love it. I'm glad you said this. So this is something we haven't even brought up in a long time. Part of the perks of being in the forum aside from communicating with the three of us cause we're in there all the time and then also with peers and other really intelligent people in there. You also get 50% off of all the t-shirts that we sell. And then you also get access to any program, releases, guides or anything like that. You get early access to it and you get it for a cheaper rate than the sale rate that anybody else gets it for. So I mean, easily if you end up getting a couple shirts or invest in a program, it pays for itself. And we have some live Q and A stuff coming in like with Jordan Shallow. We have some other people coming in that we're gonna start introducing. What is the date for the Jordan Shallow? Do you know the date off top of your head, Doug, by chance? The 17th, I think. So the goal is this. And I'll just be transparent with the audience what we're working on right now and getting organized with this is we're gonna start with one a month right now. So we can get it organized and then we'll build upon it. But I'd like people like Jordan Shallow, Dr. Molly, Dr. Ruscio and Dr. Brink to be featured guests once a month inside the private forum where they'll talk and do a live Q and A with you guys in the forum. So we're starting that with Jordan Shallow on what date? June. Oh, we're gonna find out. I think it's the 17th, but Justin will find out. I think it's the 17th. I'll have to confirm. But I've already gotten messages from people who've already started the program, started Split. Now, here's the deal. We did release a bonus episode that explains a lot of this, but I'll say this here in case you didn't hear that one. Split is an advanced program. And it's definitely, we've gotten lots of messages over the years from people who are saying, hey, if mind, it's a what? It's the 13th. The 13th, thanks. If Mind Pump was to design a Split routine, how would you do it? Because there are some potential benefits of doing a Split. It's just that all the traditional splits that we've seen are terrible. There are these like one body bar to day type routines. You're not trained the body very frequently, the whole body. Many of the exercises are not effective because if you're doing 20 sets in a workout, it's like the first three to six sets are effective. The rest of them are these kind of finisher type exercises, which in comparison are not very effective. And there's a lot of other reasons why. So we did, we designed a Split program, but it is a six day a week in the gym program. It is advanced. It's a very advanced program. You're gonna have good recovery and I'm glad we didn't, you know, put this out as early on because you should go through at least maps anabolic or maps aesthetic before you lead into this program. Just because it doesn't make sense unless you're somebody who's already at really high volume. Like maybe you're already a competitor and you've never bought any of our programs. You're like, oh, this is definitely up my alley. That I can see someone doing this as a first time program. But everybody else, like if you're an average person that's just trying to get in shape and you're consistent for a few months, then you're not so consistent. Then you're consistent, which typically is like 80% of the population or more. You, this should be a your second program, you know, or in a perfect world, like for my people that have reached out to me that are interested in competing in a perfect world, I put them on maps aesthetic first, like during their off season or getting ready. And then. This is pre-contest. Yeah, then Split. It's 12 weeks. It's perfect. 12 weeks leading up to the show. And we included neat recommendations in it. So it's like literally leading you up to your competition. Right. You know, it's, you know, obviously like all maps programs broken up into phases. We added a mobility component, which is a never addressed in bodybuilder routines. Mobility is never addressed in bodybuilding type muscle building routines, which from a, of course, from a functional standpoint, mobility is extremely important. I don't think I need to make that case. But I can also make the case that mobility and function are extremely important for muscle development just for developing a symmetrical physique. Cause I'll tell you something right now. And longevity. Yeah. Poor symmetry in bodybuilders is almost always the result of poor function. It's not because somebody goes in. Oh, that was one of the things that we hit it off with Ben Pakolsky. We all agreed on that big time was that it's almost always a disconnect there. I mean, he, I forgot how he worded it, but he talked about like a lagging or a, you know, a muscle that won't develop. It's not because you have bad genetics with that. You can connect to it. Yeah. You have a bad connection there and it's not something that you cannot not fix. Right, right. And so if you work on mobility, you know, at least even if it's just a little bit, but you put some focus on it, then you're going to find your muscles are going to develop. You know, the physical representation that is a more symmetrical and balanced looking physique rather than this physique where some muscles look very developed and others don't. And it's because your body just doesn't move very well. And the ability of course to move within full range of motion, connect that entire range of motion, have control. You're going to build more muscle as a result. And we do, it's on sale until June 10th, right Doug? Is it June 10th? So if you use the code split 50, you get 50 bucks off. And that's on our site mapssplit.com. So, and you can also just go to our regular site and get it as well. This is seriously the most intense program we've ever put out. Oh, I already got it. I can't undersell that fact. No, I wanna- A lot of people don't realize that, like, I mean, we say that, you know, like this isn't advanced, but like literally this is, if you're a beginner, this is totally not for you. No, you'll fry yourself. Yeah, it's too much. I've had people message me already, and they're like, I did the leg workout portion of there. My legs are feeling pretty toasty. Yeah. And I let you get another workout a week for that. Yeah. That's why, I mean, work your way up towards it. I think that was one of the things when we first were talking about programs in the three day week. And I know there were some people that were turned off by it because they wanna train six or seven days a week and they just like doing that. It's not that I don't work up to training seven days a week. I used to talk about that all the time when I was competing. Right now I'm not. There's no way I would run this even program right now. So where I'm at in volume of my volume of training right now, I wouldn't run map split because I gotta work up to that. I would follow anabolic, then I would go aesthetic and then I would go split. So this would be even for me three to six months out before I'm using it because I would wanna ramp up before I'm doing something. Or otherwise your body will adapt to that and then you won't have a lot of room where to go from there. So use the other programs to lead up to this for sure. Did you guys see the Instastory poll that I did on my page? The one about morality? I saw you put it up there, but refresh my memory. So the question was, and it's a great, and we don't need to get real deep into it because that could take a full couple hours by itself. But the question I asked on there was, is morality objective or subjective? Like in other words, is there a right or wrong that's true no matter what? Or is it all up to the person to decide, like, oh, right, wrong, and it's kind of up to me. And so far the poll is, it's almost 50-50 split. And I surprisingly had lots of people tell me it's purely subjective that it's totally up to the person what's right or wrong. And then I would replay it and then I'd ask them the question, well, is murder a rape? Are those things subjective? They're like, no, of course not. Well, there you go. Yeah, yeah. There has to be certain ideas out there that are like, okay, everybody sort of subscribes to that. Like that's something that's a moral law that basically all cultures can agree upon. The reason why I posted that is I read this article, I can't remember the name of the psychologist, but I've read other psychologists, like Carl Jung, for example, talks about this, but believing that morality is subjective or relative or relativism leads to a state of mind that is without purpose or where people feel like life is meaningless. And then the opposite, if people believe that there's this kind of underlying objective truth that is larger than them, and it usually comes from a belief in a higher power that people feel like they have a purpose and meaning. And it makes sense to me when you think about that, right? Like if you believe that there's a higher power, then you do believe that there's a right or wrong that's outside of you. It has nothing to do with whether you think it's right or wrong, that that's probably the driving force. I think it's that simple. I think the people that are gonna believe that believe there's something greater, they're gonna think that it's objective and somebody who doesn't think that at all. Typically, right? It's gonna be subjective, I think. So I think it's that clear cut. I think almost any, if you have a 50-50 split, I bet you if you ask 50% of the people that said it was atheist or not. Yeah, right. If you ask half of them that said it's subjective, they're gonna say one thing and the other half are gonna say the other first. Well, the interesting thing about human psychology, it seems to be, this is kind of generally accepted in, I guess, psychology, that if people don't believe in, they have to believe in something. And so if you eliminate that, they tend to, if you eliminate belief in a higher power and you ask someone, okay, you don't believe in a higher power than what do you believe in, then many of them say, oh, I believe in science or I believe in whatever. Or if you watch their actions, they tend to worship other things like money or nationalism or whatever. They're celebrities. Or so yeah, so it's interesting. It's almost like we need to have that, but it makes sense, right? Because we're such social animals. We need to have this underlying base understanding in order for us to be able to operate. Otherwise, society wouldn't work, right? If you believe certain things were fine and I believe that they were wrong and Adam believed the same thing and we just live that way, then there would be lots of chaos within a society. And the thing I always go towards is because people are so different, I think the fundamental belief should be that if you don't hurt anybody or steal from anybody, then it's okay. I feel like everybody can kind of agree on that and that kind of, but anyway, interesting conversation, poll is still going on, so I'll let you guys know what the answer is. Are you getting a lot of people that are actually responding and talking to you? Lots, I got like 50 DMs yesterday from people and so I was going back and forth with a lot of them and having this discussion. And it's funny, the people who are like, no, it's totally subjective. And then when I would reply to them with some questions, they were starting to question what they were saying. Yeah. How about some of the people in the forum that think that you're becoming a little dogmatic over here? That was pretty funny actually. Yeah, we're all like big echo chamber. Yeah, really? I don't fucking agree with these guys all the time. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I don't know what show you're listening to. I think maybe I've let off on arguing more and more with you, but I think that what's so great about the conversations that we have in regards to what's going on in politics, what are we talking about? It's funny to me, the people that get triggered in that it bothers and they want to revert to, oh, they're being dogmatic. It's like, no, we're having a conversation, like nobody in here is claiming to be an expert in that area or saying, this is the way it is. You have three guys that have opinions that are sharing it and I mean, there are some things that maybe we agree on, but I know. So we have a subject and we'll put out opinions, like honestly, I have no camp that I'm subscribed to. Right. It's just about rational thinking. Think your way through the whole thing and then listen to the arguments and how it's presented and that's it. Like, case by case, I'm not liberal, I'm not conservative, I'm not, the best thing you could call me is a moderate, but it's like it doesn't even cover it. Cause even then I could sway on liberal, like social issues or you could sway me on conservative. It just depends on what we're trying to accomplish. Well, we bring up mostly what the beginning of the show has evolved into is kind of current events. It's what's happened yet, what one of us, all of us are reading different stuff because we have different interests. We're talking about the finals, right? That happened last night, right? And then the complaint was, or the question that somebody had, or the suggestion that somebody had on the forum was that we bring somebody on the show with opposing views to that topic. It's like, well, that's not how this works. The way this works is we lose it. This isn't hardball. We stay, well, not only that, but we stay. And now you. Yeah, none of us want this. Nobody wants us to become a political, religious type of fucking show at all. It's that we're talking about things that are currently happening right now in news that was one of us just read the day before and then we're sharing our opinions. Now, what it takes to get a guest, especially a guest of high caliber, a guest that would, someone who would like, let's say for example, a strong liberal or socialistic point of view. Like we're getting Bill Maher on. Like that person, what it would take to even get them on the show is like months of communication with their people and our people just to make that happen. All the talk about a current event that Trump did fucking yesterday, like, I'm sorry, that's not gonna happen. Like I'm not gonna waste that much. Yeah, we're still health wellness is our base. And then we have topics that we talk about. It's total health. That's it. Total health is, I think, what we're all interested in generally, but health is a large, that's a big sphere. Like what, like health includes, how you live your life. It includes your money. It includes your business. It includes how you feel about yourself. The well-being of others. Your spirituality, of course, your fitness and your nutrition and all those other things. Our politics, part of your health, to an extent, it is if people have an impact on how you live your life and stuff like that. Well, you know what I'd say to people that feel this way about these topics is this is why we have an incredible forum and we encourage you guys to speak whatever. So we debate it there. So, and if you think, and if you don't think you can do it, then go out and listen to those people that you think have a complete opposing view to mind pump and then let's talk about it. Then bring it on the forum and we'll talk about it. Like that's a great place to do that, but what I'm not going to do is I'm not going to shape our show around just, like you said, this is not hardball. You say this if we're not trying to turn into a political. No, I think the whole- That's just obnoxious to listen to anyway. I think you do so much debating. That would be a cool like whole episode, you know what I mean? If we had someone with some interesting views that we could discuss and debate. I definitely think we should do it. Yeah. Well, I think we- I don't know what I mean- A few times here and there. When we bring a guest on here, it's never, I mean, I like to think that we bring guests on that I think that are interesting. I mean, I just had somebody who I disagreed with that we had on the show. And you got, you know, I think Sal agreed with her more. I disagree with her. Like she wrote a whole book on fear. And I think I was very clear that I disagreed on many of her points. And I think it came at her multiple times. So we don't just put people on the show that agree with my mom whatsoever. In fact, a lot of times that's not even like in the question, like, oh, what are their views? Or do they, are they going to say what we're going to say like many times? I mean, look at our, we just had Lane Norton on the show. Like Lane and us when we first started had a lot of things that we disagreed with. He just posted a post yesterday with his little monster talking about artificial sweeteners. I must've got tagged like six times on there. People trying to get us to stuff like that. That's hilarious. That guy, I tell you what, you know what I feel bad for is that he is doubling down on it so hard. So hard. He could probably get away. I drink monster. I had a monster a couple of days ago, right? So every once in a while I get a hair, was it hair in my ass? Is that what it is? The same goes? Hair up your ass. Hair up my ass, what about that, right? And I know Katrina likes those things and so I picked it was like, it was two for $5. So I picked one up for her, one for me for a drive heading somewhere. I mean, but this guy is like, got cases getting sent to his house and he's drinking two, three a day and he's like, oh man. Dude, did you see that? You gotta feel pretty confident in that shit. Speaking of artificial sweeteners, because one of my biggest issues is how it affects the microbiome. Did you see the studies that Dr. Andy Galpin post on him? Yes, I tagged you. Yeah, so the microbiome, a study just showed is directly connected to your VO2 max. Wow. It actually accounts for like 22% of whether or not someone's, when someone has such a, so much of a better VO2 max than someone else. Up to 22% of that can go right down to their gut. Now is that what their starting point is because VO2 max can be changed on a daily basis? So I didn't read the whole study but the way it was written is it can account for up to 22% of that difference. I wish Andy lived closer. He's one of the guys that, he does post some really cool stuff that I would love to get on the radio and talk and debate with. Well, dude, there was another study I saw before that that showed that the ketogenic diet helps with epilepsy and people with seizures. Actually, that's the first medical application of it. They've narrowed it down to the gut microbiome changes that happened during the ketogenic diet that's probably having the anti-seizure effect. It's the gut, the microbiome. I am telling you guys right now, the more we learn, cause we're still like not even close to understanding it. Yeah, scratching the surface. Man, that is gonna revolutionize medicine in a way that's imploding us. You hear the bodybuilder starting to talk about it now, don't you? Oh yeah. I saw, I see, what's his name? Fuck in the rhino. What can I do? Oh, Stan Efreding. Yeah, Stan Efreding is talking, he has been for like the last year or so. Big time talking, going that direction. Just finally trickling to that. Yeah, you're starting to see it more and more. And that's why, oh, there's a study by, it says relationship between cardio respiratory fitness and relative gut microbiota composition and healthy adults. If you guys do not follow our boy Andy, I think he, in my opinion, like we've had a lot of doctors on the show. Yeah, he's one of the scientists. And a lot of scientists on the show. Andy Galpin is one of my favorite. When you talk about him, Ruseo, and I got love for Lane too, but the way Andy and the way that Ruseo explained studies, for me, I think they do it in a very digestible way. And they're very practical about the information. One of the things that I find with some scientists, and I know we've read Lane about being like this, is they marry the science so much that it's like, this is all that's saying, so this can't be true yet. Until someone proves me in a lab, that this is the way it is, I'm gonna rebuke it completely until. Well, he admits all the time that his thoughts going into the experiment, a lot of times are completely the opposite of what he finds. So it's just like such a humbling process to where you hear that in the way he describes things, which is refreshing. No, dude, this whole area of science and study is, I swear to God, this is a whole, it's like discovering a new fucking planet. Or it's like discovering the new world. Like we had all these maps and all these, you know, these maps of the earth and what we thought it looked like. And then all of a sudden you discover, oh shit, there's a whole another sphere or side of the sphere with the whole another ocean and land and peoples and all this stuff. It's just like that. Like we know it exists. Not flat. We're starting to realize that it has major impacts on your entire body, everything, your brain, your well-being, how you think. So once we figure that out, now think about how they could potentially manipulate it to benefit people. Now the one shitty thing that I have to say about it though is there's so much that we don't know about it and it has really opened up the floodgates for all the gimmicky shit. Of course. I mean now everything's got probiotics in it. Oh my God, I know I was just having this conversation about, you know, gut, you know, health. And first thing before I could even start talking about it was, oh, I'm taking my probiotics. And I was like, wait a minute. Whoa. There's much more. It's not like it's, you can't narrow it down to just that. That's what's happening. I will make some predictions right now. So we predicted a while ago that they'll start throwing probiotics and everything. It's already starting to happen. So now you're starting to see like, you know, cereal fortified with probiotics or, you know, probiotic water or whatever. Like, that's already happening. Here's the next thing. It's gonna be probiotics targeted, designed, quote unquote, because that's what they're gonna say. They're not really doing it, but designed for specific goals. So it's gonna be like fat loss probiotics with bacteria that promote fat loss or muscle building, you know. Or, you know. Fitness bacteria. Anti-depression, you know, probiotics or whatever. That's a great company. 100%. Fitness bacteria. And you know what? We don't know enough of that. But here's the thing. We do know if you damage it, it's not a good idea. So I would go out there and say that there's probably the biggest scamming that we'll see in the next two to three years is CBD and microbiome fucking culture. Combine the two. Yes. CBD probiotics. Fat burning bacteria. Fat burning bacteria. The first ketogenic probiotic protein. Oh shit. Oh, cuss with that shit down. That's gonna do everything. So optimized. But you know what though? Because it's now sprinkling into the bodybuilding market? That's the other one I should have said. That's driving me crazy right now too. In fact, I got everything's optimized. No, and everything's know that Neutrophics has become like everything too. Which I think we're gonna see a backlash on all that stuff too. We will, but by the way, we're gonna get someone sending us some Neutrophics. Some company contacted me. It's like, hey, I'm like send us some samples. I'll try it out. Yeah, I got somebody doing the same thing. Hey, if I like it, I like it. But you know, here's the thing. So we're starting to see gut health being talked about in the muscle building world quite a bit, especially like you just said, Stan Effarding. So I think what we're gonna start seeing more of or it's gonna accelerate is this move away from artificial sweeteners because we know that they have a negative impact. Yeah. Because once big bodybuilders start saying, hey guys, you need to have good gut health to build muscle. Supplement companies are gonna follow suit. And you can start to see more and more supplement companies have to move away from the artificial sweetener. So sorry, Lane. Hold on to them monsters. Yeah. This course brought to you by Organifi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organifi fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try Organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. First question is from My Fit Food Diary. How do you suggest one overcome the anxiety of body image issues when in a gaining phase? Do any of you have a history of clients reluctant to bulk because of it? All of them? I mean, I can't remember too many of them that I don't know of very many people that I think had body image issues or anxiety around gaining weight that I told them that we're gonna start gaining weight and they didn't fucking freak out. It's one of the most challenging things. Lane said something really good and Sal I know you've said stuff like this before is you have to shift your focus. So even though your ultimate goal may be to lose 30 to 50 pounds of fat off your body and that's why you're hiring your coach or that's why you're starting on your program but initially if you know what's best for you is to rebuild your metabolism or reverse diet out and start to actually add calories and potentially add weight. I think you have to learn to change your focus. Your focus, even though your long-term goal is to lose 30 to 50 pounds, right now I'm gonna currently focus on my strength goal. I'm gonna look at strength. I'm gonna look at what did I start off when I first started bench pressing and where am I at now two, three weeks later and look at building as your goal even though you know deep down the ultimate goal is that you lean out. So you've got to learn to shift your mental focus or else it's just gonna eat away at you. So I've never had anxiety issues over bulking because I always wanted to bulk but I had major issues with trying to get lean. In fact, I never tried to get lean because I always thought I was skinny. So I was always in this kind of constant. Yeah I was on a 30 year or 15 years of permanent bulk from 20 to 30 years of permanent bulk. Now one thing got me through that or got me out of that kind of state of mind and that's when I started training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. So when I started training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu my focus was taken off my body in terms of trying to get bigger and I started to move it towards performing on the mats and performing on the mats, being too big for your body and what I mean by that is when I'm forcing my body to be real big and heavy I don't have a huge structure. So if I'm walking around at 220 with my bone structure, my body structure that's a lot of extra weight that I'm kind of forcing on my body and it doesn't, I can't move as well as when I'm a strong let's say 190 which is much more of a natural body weight for me. And so in Jiu-Jitsu I had to focus on performance which meant I had to naturally start to lose some weight and because I changed my focus like what Adam said from the way my body looked to how I was performing on the mats I allowed my body weight to come down it wasn't that big of a deal because it was all about performance. And this is one of the best and easiest changes in focus I think you can do with a client because there's lots of ways you could change your client's focus. Like I can take a client and say okay we're gonna change your focus from weight loss because I wanna put you in a bulk to gaining muscle size or gaining muscle but that's still kind of a body centric focus and it's kind of a difficult switch but if I change their focus from body centric how I look to performance, which is totally different like- More like strength specific. Like what Adam was saying. Yeah, like if I'm in the gym and I'm lifting weights and I'm just focusing on my strength I don't even, I'm not even looking at myself it's not even in the- It's about how good you feel and how strong and powerful you are. That's it, that's it. And so I would just, and I've done this with clients like I'll have female, typically the female clients have a real tough time with this and I'll tell them look we're gonna put you in a calorie surplus I wanna speed up your metabolism and I wanna build some muscle but the best gauge as to whether or not we're going in the right direction and whether or not we're gonna affect your metabolism positively is strength. If we can get you stronger in the gym on a consistent basis I know that more likely than not your metabolism is speeding up and more likely than not we're putting on some muscle. We're definitely not losing muscle, that's for sure. And so then they would understand that like okay strength, faster metabolism let's just focus on strength. Within a couple of weeks these female clients or even within a week they'd be excited about the weight they were lifting, like oh shit I was able to squat 20 more pounds. Like you could totally tell when you know you're on a surplus like how that feels like how much more strength you feel just when you have the energy like the energy if you're constantly in a deficit and I know a lot of times like some of my clients are just constantly in a deficit always like super paranoid about ever gaining weight and this is a big struggle for a lot of clients coming in that they do need to build muscle and so yeah to be able to shift that focus and have them really feel their way through it and go through just like any of these specific exercises where you can show tangible results just based off of them living in a surplus it's gonna really help them mentally to get over that hump. Now I would tell these clients to not use a scale so I would tell them like I don't want you to weigh yourself at all we're gonna use your lifts as your gauge so your strength and then I would if I did weigh them I would have them stand on the scale and they wouldn't look at the weight I'd have them stand on the backwards and I would tell them I'm gonna have you stand on the scale you're not gonna look at it and I want you to see what the weight is but just for me to monitor so I know if we're going too high with calories or if I need to add more calories within this period of time and I wouldn't even let them do that you know what's funny when people don't weigh themselves and when you change the focus from things that are focused on body centric how I look to performance their anxiety their general anxiety tends to lower like you know how many times I had female clients tell me when we would do this they'd be like God I just feel so much better I don't feel so anxious about it and the irony of it is they would actually make easier it was easier for them to eat healthy as a result because it wasn't this huge like mental focus of whatever it was just they didn't have the stress and because you know how much stress and anxiety contributes to people eating the wrong type of foods and the wrong choices makes a tremendous impact I mean when you're stressed and anxious a lot of people reach to food for comfort and so sometimes changing that focus completely from how you look to how you perform man it makes a huge difference now it can go in the opposite direction as well I've had athletes that all they care about is how they perform and I'm trying to get them to improve mobility correct imbalances right and they're so hung up on their strength and they've they now yeah they see strength going down well I was benching 315 now I'm only benching 275 and freaking out like they're just losing muscle because they see the strength go down so hard Adam how did you how did you finally cut what was it that finally got said okay I'm gonna let myself lose weight on the scale so well it was competing so I had a different focus up into that point up into that point my entire lot and that's it's funny right I had such a different focus that and it's so crazy that I understood and I knew all this science but yet I was still motivated and driven by my own insecurities that I didn't even never really spent the time reflecting on myself and my own programming my own nutrition like I just in my head wanted to be so much bigger right and always just want to be bigger always wanted to be bigger and I you know I'd never been to that I'd still wasn't at that point so why would I ever consider cutting you know and if anything if and I never like I did have times where I cleaned the diet up I would say like there was times where I was always in a permanent bulk you know or trying always trying to eat a surplus of calories but there was times when I was eating nutrient dense foods versus eating kind of garbage within my diet and that was the difference of my leanness because I never state I wasn't obviously the exact same body fat my entire training career I would sometimes allow myself to creep up to 13 14% body fat and then I would kind of lean out down to like 10 but it wasn't because I was trying to lean out it was just that I was tightening up the diet as far as what I was consuming I was still trying to bulk I was still trying to get four or five thousand calories just it was a difference between a dirty bulk and a clean bulk that was exactly the only difference now then when I had to get on stage and I had made the commitment like okay I'm going to compete you know or I'm going to get myself into shape to compete and the goal was to get leaner than I've ever been in my life it was it was actually a hard transition and part of that was committing on Instagram which was funny that's when I started my Instagram and said okay I'm going to go from the fattest I've ever been so at that time I was 20% body fat which was the highest I've ever been in my life I'm 30 years old and now I'm going to go down to the leanest I've been I'd never seen anything sub 9% so the goal was below 9% and I remember making that mental transition saying like what I can't be hung up on because what used to bother me in the past is if I were to lose any weight I would see my arms not fill out my shirt you know or things would get loose on me and that would really fuck with my head and that would force me to start to bulk really hard and aggressive again and so I said you know what it's not about that it's about me getting leaner than I've ever been in my life so don't attach yourself to the shirts and not feeling right and I knew that was coming and I was going to be okay with it and then I began now the crazy part that blew my mind was as I started to reach numbers that I'd never seen as far as how low of a body fat percentage I was I started getting these compliments more than I know I'm in the gym all the time I've been in my gym in the gym every day for almost 15 years now same people always kind of see me now all of a sudden people were walking up to me and people were like dude what are you doing you're jacked right now and I'm going I'm jacked like I've been trying to be jacked for 15- 15 pounds lighter yeah I'm 15 pounds lighter than I was like two months ago and people were telling me I look jacked and I look big and that was a really aha moment for myself going like wow you know I've always been chasing this look to look big and buff and if I could just drop my body fat percentage to where I was pretty lean and separated I gave that look off it just goes to show you how powerful your own perception is and how distorted it can be right like I experienced the exact same thing the first time I really got myself shredded shredded I was you know I had got I had got lost some weight because of jujitsu and then I stopped doing jujitsu and I was just lifting weights and I got more comfortable with being at a lighter body weight and then I'm like you know I just I want to see how shredded I can get let's see what happens and I remember three or four weeks into it I don't like it because I felt smaller I don't like that feeling I was like I don't like feeling small but people same thing people were telling me oh dude you look fucking buff and I was like I look buff like I'm lighter than I've been in a long time like this is really weird so I just ignored how I felt because I knew my perception was distorted I knew this by this point because I'm already probably maybe my late 20s or 30s or early 30s so I just kept pushing past it and got to a point where I did get really lean really shredded and when I would look at pictures of myself I could almost see what they were talking about and little by little I was able to get rid of that distortion but it is pretty crazy how well and I know where we're talked it is I know we're talking about leaning out and this person's more is the reverse of this but same thing but it is the same thing and in fact I'm helping a good girlfriend of ours Jessica right now and she came to me and she's heaviest that she's ever been she's actually competed and been on stage before and really lean and you know I told her that the mistake that most people make right here is you're about to get on it again and you're gonna start calorie restricting and then picking up your intensity and picking up your movement it's like no this is how we're going to do this we're gonna increase calories and I'm gonna start strength training you first and you may even go up on the scale the goal is to kind of stay the same maybe up one or two and she's been now for a month and she literally sent me a message two days ago just like oh my god I've never seen my tricep with a she's building muscle you know when she in the past anytime that she would get overweight or feel fat you know she would go right to a caloric restriction well in a caloric restriction the likelihood of you building a lot of muscle especially for somebody who's not a first time lifter she's not a first time lifter she's lifted a ton of before the likelihood of her building more muscle than she's ever seen on her body in a calorie restriction is almost not possible so the fact that I'm keeping her fed and that's one of the things I tell her like do not I do not want to hear about you being hungry I want to know that you're feeding your body just we're making good choices and we have you know she knows what to eat as far as the what types of food she can choose from but it's been very important to me that she's staying fed and that we're feeding your body when it needs to be fed and giving it the calories that it needs and she's giving me this feedback and she's like my scale is the same she's like I haven't I haven't moved on the scale well we dunked the first time so you're hydrostatic way for those that don't know what dunk is so we got our body fat tested through the the water submersion right so she and she I had her do it four weeks later since we started so she just did this was just a couple days ago and weight is exactly the same 165 she hasn't she hasn't moved on the scale but she's dropped 3% body fat see and and that was more calories right eating eating more cal and so when you look at the works folks right when you look at what has happened you know is she's lost significant body fat and she's also built a little bit of muscle and it's zeroed out so the scale is showing no move you know so you know if you're attached to the scale and attached to your weight and that's how you look at things I could see how that could discourage somebody but it was great and I was so glad that she did this as far as doing the the dunk process because I know it's helped her make that mental switch so that is something that I recommend to somebody like this if they're struggling really hard you know give it one month just believe in the believe in the process eating either a you know a calorie maintenance or a calorie surplus of good good balanced nutrient dense foods while your strength training get yourself you know measured body fat wise the first day that you start follow that have trust the process for four weeks do it again I bet you money you'll see a positive a positive effect and the biggest mistake I see people make in that is they have a they they struggle with this so much that they want to restrict you know you got to you got to not want to risk you got to be careful not to do that and give you keep yourself fed for that first month and then pay attention to your your body fat percentage next up is hunk in that funk oh yeah it's Justin's body oh do you think the raw determination and will to overcome challenges physically and mentally is an intangible skill that some people such as elite athletes just have or do you think it can be learned how could this be trained if at all so I'm gonna I'm gonna say something probably controversial about this yes so in my experience much of the super athletes also the super brilliant minds that I meet are driven through some sort of an insecurity and so what we will and this is something that I've always been fascinated with and why I've never been a person who is in awe of I shouldn't say that because there's athletes that I see do things that I'm in awe of but I don't idolize super athletes or I don't idolize super famous people because they're they're just brilliant at their craft super unbalanced I totally I appreciate it I enjoy it I'm in awe of what they're capable of doing but I'm also aware of what normally drives a person to be to have almost super like powers in in something so example the athlete like you're saying and we'll take somebody like LeBron James I don't know LeBron James personally but I'm I'm pretty familiar with the regimen that this guy puts in to be the athlete that he is and I would be willing to bet that anybody who's really close to him whether it be best friends mothers daughters you know relationships that he's been in things like that I would be willing to bet that they've suffered greatly it for him to become the greatest basketball player of all time and we do such a good job of celebrating all these athletes and these super people because we market with them and we and we sell to you and we sell to everybody and we never want to talk about how bad these people are with their relationships and how bad they are everywhere else in life because it's not about that we're celebrating this thing that we're into so you know I love that's why I always say your greatest strength is your greatest weakness and somebody that has expressed it at this high of a level is probably out of imbalance somewhere else you see that with like Tom Brady you see that with the very extreme example of Lance Armstrong and it's like we glorify that and we glorify the fact that you know they have all these they've overcome like every obstacle in front of them but they've done it in a way where like the sheer focus and will and determination is an obsession that it consumes their entire like everyday thought and so to be able to hang out with somebody like that is going to be exhaustive so I agree with you guys but I think there's more to it than just that I definitely think that at the highest level there's a sense of lacking that these people have that drives them to do the insane amounts of work that is required to achieve those levels of performance but I also think there's another piece I think the other piece of it is this is that early on these same people did things that reinforced in their belief that they themselves could affect change or at least they themselves are empowered enough to affect change so what I mean by that is if you are an insecure person but you also simultaneously believe that you have no control over you know your insecurities you have no control over how you can help yourself or the things that you can do then that insecurity will express itself in other ways and other types of dysfunction like if I'm insecure about my body like extremely insecure but I don't think I have any control over it I might just say it's genetics and I'm just not gonna care and I'm gonna eat whatever and be depressed or whatever on the flip side if someone's like look I'm insecure about my body but I know that if I work my ass off or if I learn as much as I possibly can I can change things for the better then you combine those two things and then you may see some incredible amounts of performance so is this something that people are born with I'm sure there's somewhat of a genetic effect but I think it's mostly taught I think you mostly learn it and here's how I think you learn it you learn as a child by overcoming challenges and they start off as small challenges like you're presented with something that seems to you like a difficult challenge to overcome you work hard you overcome that challenge and what becomes strengthened now within you is every time I come up against the challenge if I work hard enough or if I try hard enough or whatever I'm gonna have I have the ability to overcome that and if you continue to move through that process through more and more difficult challenges you're gonna become stronger or at least the yeah you strengthen your self belief you so much so that yeah you combine that within insecurity well now you get obsession now you get people who are like I'm gonna make the first private rocket land on the moon we're talking about the extreme example of that you know and so like to take it on that fact but there's a healthy version of this right that everybody can learn that I think sports is one of the best outlets to be able to provide that in order to then take what you learn mentally from real time you know cause effect actions of being able to overcome obstacles and now you know being in a classroom setting being in a work setting being in a relationship setting realizing you know there's ways to overcome these things and you can work your way out of it you know that's that's a powerful thing to learn and that's all part of life like this like you could go from any angle with this and it's of course this is a skill you have to learn as a human being there's levels of this shit and there's to me it's always it has everything to do with sacrifice right it reminds me a lot of like when a client would come and they would like tell you like this is what I want to look like you know like this cover of a magazine of some some model or what about that and you know one of the things that I spent a lot of time with with people that would present something like that to me an image of what they wanted to look like even if they had the genetics to kind of look like that let's say they have a similar body type there's some people that will you'll never look like that body type you guys are your bone structure is different your ethnicity is different you carry weight and muscle differently you'll probably never look anything like that but then there's body types that are similar body types and with enough hard work and sacrifice you too can absolutely look like that but what I think people fail to realize is that the amount of sacrifice that it takes to get to these certain levels right so it's just understanding that if you want to be at the highest level the amount of sacrifice that it takes to do that and it's different for everybody because some people have a higher genetic potential that they naturally are more gifted so if we use the athlete analogy LeBron James and I could practice and work as hard at being a great basketball player with the same amount and put as much effort into it and I can become a great ball player by doing that but he may be able to become a greater basketball player because he also has the genetic potential with all that hard work which again why I love sports because I think sports are the greatest expression of all those things culminating together right it's the you're a genetic freak for that you were built for that sport and you're putting in the work more than anybody else and because of that you're the greatest in the world at this sport and then there's this spectrum that we can fall anywhere in between there is that you know maybe you don't become the LeBron James of basketball but you put enough effort and you sacrifice enough to be pretty great at it I think just a lot of people have a hard time measuring that or understanding it or being okay with sacrificing that because then you have like these clients that they want to look like this cover magazine but then they also want to have Sunday fun day with their girlfriends and go out drinking and have margaritas on Sunday and it's like is it possible? Well yeah it could be possible but you're making it really difficult for yourself if you're not willing to let go of some of these things to put that extra you know it'd be better on Sunday instead of doing margaritas you were in the gym working out you're most certainly going to get towards that goal that you claim to be so important to you and I see this even with athletes athletes say they want to be great at a sport but then they also want to sit and play video games with their buddies on Saturday or they want to go to Cabo and go on a Mexico trip for seven days where they drink beers and they party at the pool and it's like well LeBron James isn't going and doing that maybe he is now in his career but he wasn't when he was coming up to become that guy well as far as being born with it not being born I think it's an interesting idea because you know like depending on how you grew up and who was like your parents or whoever like coach or whoever like modeled that mentality like towards you you aspire to be like that like that's something that was like an intangible skill but you learned it based off of like somebody else around you in proximity versus that just coming from your own thought like I want to be the best and then going through that process you know it's interesting to think about if like a LeBron James like was in a setting where like you know everybody had a different mentality towards work and had a different mentality towards like being great at something you have to it's the difference in a fixed mindset and a growth mindset you know fixed mindset is things are the way they are there's nothing we can do to change them a growth mindset is I have a lot of power over how things are and how hard I work or what I do well that point is so good Sal because it explains a lot of the success that I had in my life because I found out early on I didn't have a lot of that at the beginning because I was so young and little didn't realize and then as I got older I started to put together like oh just because I'm in this shitty environment doesn't mean that I can't control things you have a growth mindset right but I was forced into it at an early age which allowed me to experience that early on and then later on learn to harness it and then to develop a spine of your environment right and this is why I talked the way I do to my kids like my son is a good example my son is exceptionally good at math for example very very good at math he's actually gifted in some ways at doing math now do I tell him when I have conversations with him do I say that to him do I say wow you're so smart or you're so gifted if I do it's followed up with but what I really enjoy the most is how you challenge yourself or how you push yourself or I can see you worked really hard at that because I want my kids to be growth minded and I want them to be able to challenge themselves and I don't want that fixed mindset of whether or not they're smart or not because at some point he's going to encounter something that's challenging so let's just imagine if I create this fixed mindset in my son where he thinks he's smart and that's just I was born this way it's genetic and that's why everything comes easy to me when it comes to math and then he gets to a point because it'll happen where he takes a class like calculus or something else and now it's hard for him well he might not want to try anymore because it shatters his belief that he may be so now he's gonna look at me like well fuck it I can't do it I guess I'm not good at it rather than the whole you know well I am growth minded and I can work hard at it and this is what I was brought up to believe in and now I'm gonna challenge myself and push myself look people not everybody has the same potential but everybody has potential and that potential that range is much bigger than you think you have a potential for terrible and you have a potential for good and it's up to you where you fall within that spectrum now that potential sure there's genetic factors and things that you can't control but there's a wide range but that growth and fix is so powerful though I remember an example of just like a high school athlete that I played with who was had just superstar potential superstar potential got recruited by UCLA and you know a few other like major division one colleges and decided to go to Cal Poly which is a great school not necessarily that caliber but guess what he gets into that school everybody's as good as him everybody's as fast as him everybody's as tall as him and then his work ethic just wasn't on par and so he got washed out and it was so frustrating because like to me I was like oh this guy's gonna go in the NFL for sure he's an NFL not even the case because you know your work ethic and you know if you were given those talents that you would be that way that's why you know it's you have to ask yourself sometimes is it you know would it be something that you would really want like I always that's why I don't blame or feel sorry for my childhood and upbringing because there was so many lessons because of it I was forced to be a certain way that I think is and you strengthened it along the way at some point in your life Adam you know you had these cards dealt to you right that were difficult or whatever you want to call them maybe we don't judge them but you had these cards dealt to you but at some point you overcame some of them and then you probably noticed it like oh shit I accomplished this in spite of that and that only strengthened within you that you had more control and more power and that's what I mean when they say it raises your self belief when it says can it be trained yeah you better fucking believe it like if you give yourself challenges that you know are hard but you also know that you might be able to overcome overcome those and watch what happens you'll be more you'll be emboldened to continue and push yourself I think it's important to note that that you cannot you can't find yourself comparing to others though like so I think the mistake I think so unfair I think most people get this right I think most people for the most part believe that if they put hard work into stuff like that they could become better at the other end but I think the problem where people get hung up is they see somebody else who may not work that hard and they're working harder and they're not as good or they're you know what I'm saying so then they go like Meanwhile you're a better version of yourself right but they can't like hold on to that because they compare exactly elsewhere so I think that's the key takeaway is it's not about anybody else you know being an elite athlete you can become your own elite athlete it's not comparing against all your peers if you compare it against your peers and their work ethic then you might end up quitting and giving up because you see yourself oh I'm putting in twice the work he is and this asshole still is a starter and he's doing better than me like you can't have that attitude it's extremely unfair and counterproductive to compare yourself to others because you're not the same as them and you don't know everything about them all you can compete with is yourself and if you're better than you were yesterday you're winning and that's it and it can be a tiny amount doesn't have to be a lot it can be a small small amount better today than you were yesterday you add that up over a course of a year or two and boy that's a huge difference in trajectory next question is from West Center Ave how much does growing older really affect progression and results in regards to diet and fitness how do you think you all will change what you do as you age what does 60 year old Sal, Adam and Justin look like handsome as hell you know what I does age affect how your body responds to exercise of course it does I noticed I didn't notice this until 36, 35, 36 that I noticed my body doesn't respond like it used to it doesn't bounce back as fast or I can't handle I can't get away with as much like up until then I notice all the new noises I make you know what I'm saying like I'm going to try to tie my shoes and like get that course like always yeah yeah I noticed right around 35, 36 my body isn't responding the same but I will say this like here's the bottom line I mean that's an inevitable nothing you can do about that but here's the cool thing that I enjoy about growing older I look way cooler as a fit and lean 39 year old than I did as a fit and lean 20 year old that's just my personal opinion like when I take my shirt off or I go to the beach or whatever you stand out more way more like I'm in a different pool now you know what I'm saying exactly a lot less fit people when you start getting up in age yeah when I was 20 and fit and strong like I was still strong for a fit for a 20 year old but when I'm 50 I'm going to be like in the top 0.1% of the world you know because my peers are going to be so much so that's kind of against the positive I think I think are at least I know for me like I think your definition of fitness changes as you get older too sure like and I've I've already I'm experiencing this being 36 going on 37 right now of this like I am arguably in some of the best health shape I am right now but aesthetically I'm nowhere near that like I look I've looked way better physically but I mean as my mobility I have no aches or pains like I've had I've struggled with knee with low back I mean I'm dealing with my Achilles still but that's just that's a acute injury that I'm still rehabbing right but overall feel really really healthy and balanced and seeing other aspects of my life that encompasses health and wellness that I probably didn't look at when I was 25 so and I imagine if I am that way now at 36 I bet that I'll be that way a different way at 45 and at 55 and 65 I bet when I'm 60 you know sure I want to look good and look like the buff 60 year old guy to a point but I think it'll continue to drop down on the totem pole as far as my priorities and what I what I gauge like I think that that age it'll be like can I go run and play with my kids can I go and do do things that are fun and physical still at six years will I still be able to get up on a wakeboard and snow but it'll be that to me would be like a big deal because it's a lot less of a a cock measuring you know contest for me yeah like I'm not like looking at other dudes like yeah like even from a performance aspect of it where I used to just pride myself in being one of the stronger ones in the gym and like I could keep up and do all this like crazy shit it's it's so much more on how I feel you know and maintaining that strength personally and just paying attention to my own progression like I seriously have even less windows you know like I am so much more just focused on like myself my own progress like how I feel like responding to you know what what I need to be doing personally I could give a fuck about what everybody else is doing it's like less and less how much I care about everybody else and what they're doing yeah the the difference between you know young people and the difference between old people in terms of fit and healthy and not fit and healthy what I mean it's stark like if you take a fit 20 year old and you compare them to their peers in terms of the way they look how they move their performance and their health there's definitely a difference but it's not like a massive difference now you take a 60 year old that's been exercising that most of their life and eating right most of their life and compare them to the average 60 year old that and I'm not talking about the super unhealthy six year old and just talking about the average American 60 year old who probably doesn't really work out maybe walks every once in a while and their diet's kind of been all over the place the difference between those two people is it's like light years I mean you get up to 70 and 80 because I trained a lot of people in this age group I used to enjoy training people in advanced age and I had a client Jim who a good friend of mine still talked to him he's now 71 I believe he's actually he helped Doug and I film the first maps program he's actually there with us helping us with the the sound board and all that stuff but anyway this guy's 70 years old right he's been swimming every single day for 30 years for about an hour and a half straight in the pool so he just goes back and forth in the pool so you get tremendous endurance then he lifted weights four days a week and he'd been doing that for decades as well he's also very regimented with his diet and nutrition he just it's just something he enjoys this is a 70 year old man that I would do core workouts with him and he'd kick my ass no joke but if you compared him to another 70 year old I had other 70 year olds that would come hire me who'd never worked out before and I have to teach them how to be able to get up on the chair get up by the chair get off the ground or reach up above their head because they can't reach into lose all their ability they can't reach above their head because their arm won't straighten out or they've got tremendous back pain or whatever they've got these real health issues that are threatening their livelihood meanwhile I had Jim who didn't own a car or at least he did own a car but never drove it he rode his bike everywhere he could stay up late with me because we've hung out a bunch of times he can work out whenever he wants got his testosterone levels checked he was at 650 at a 70 year old at 70 years old for testosterone which is a good level for a 30 year old like the difference is incredible so although, yes, your body does your age does affect your performance that the trajectory is blunted tremendously as you exercise and eat right and it's like it's so crazy as you get old so I can't look I can't wait I can't I look forward to aging a lot because I look forward to that I look forward to being healthy and mobile as I become wiser and as I have more experience because there's a lot of benefits you get with age as well that's another thing too I know in this country in particular but mainly Western societies especially the newer ones we tend to look at age as a bad thing and part of it is because we glorify sex appeal and youth and all that and the other part of it is people don't age very well people in these modern developed societies tend to not age very well they tend to have health problems they're all on medications and all these different things but as you get older look, you gain tremendous wisdom I mean, I'm almost 40 right? I'm 39 I am light years more wise today than I was 15 years ago light years I can't imagine where I'm going to be 15 years from now you combine that with a mobile fit healthy body are you kidding me I can't wait for that combination of wisdom with so I don't need to be like my max strength, max fitness I just need to be able to fit and healthy combine that with that wisdom and potentially more you know, better finances because if you get older you can invest it and be smart that's going to be fucking awesome life I think from a physical standpoint I think like a Paul check is such a cool example of what I think great example right, a lot of us would would love to look and feel and in the choices that he makes because he's very balanced like I mean like you could get him to probably take a shot of alcohol with you if it's the right occasion he's not somebody who has to be in the gym every single day some of his workouts are outside but then he can also get in there and throw 275 pounds on his back and hang with some of these dudes that are jacked on testosterone that are working and stuff like that so to me that's fucking cool you know what I'm saying or he could go lift 400 pounds off the ground while he's painting like these that like that's cool at that age to be able to and then to comfortably take a shirt off and look look great dude, he looks amazing yeah, and there's plenty of guys that look better than him there's dudes that are in their 60s that are jacked and on roids and and look amazing for their age dude, if I can just maintain my athleticism and abilities and strength, you know like the body my body is going to be a reflection of that and then you know also pursuing health because of the more knowledge you acquire and like you said Sal, the wisdom that you know, we're gaining from the whole process it's just efficiency is just going to be the word for me is like how much more efficient I can be at the whole process and that's just going to you know, I'm just going to enjoy it even more as I age next up is Spartan Wim imagine being the other guy's wingman how would you sell them to a girl? Oh man who put this question Sal asked me if he could do it and I'm like, yes, let's do this one I can't go first because I wasn't ready for this I got to think for a second how would you wingman for the other guys? How would you sell them? God, that's a that's a funny one Well, let's see if I was wingmanning for Adam I would get a picture of him from that picture that he has where he's hanging over the chair with his butt cheeks hanging out of his pants that's the one, yeah and I'd be like soccer mom's all over the world I got this single friend I think you should meet he's like, tell me about him like first look at this Yeah, romance covered it sells itself really at that point Yeah, how you know you know what's funny about this is I had this conversation with my cousins a while ago so I have I have a lot of cousins that are my age and then we have this younger generation of cousins that are all about maybe eight years younger than us and a few years ago actually a few years ago we all went out and so these guys were still in their early 20s and we were in our mid 20s excuse me, mid 30s and we went out somewhere and they were trying to pick up on girls and me and my cousins who are all our age group we were all married at the time so we weren't there to pick up girls but we're watching these younger generation to try to do that so it's fun to watch, right and we're watching them and they're just failing miserably and so the problem was is they weren't pumping each other up they were competing with each other I was just gonna say that that's the problem with guys that think they're wingmen to other guys yeah they're like they're like cutting each other down and competing with each other over a girl's attention no, no, no and it's like you guys are never gonna like you're not gonna no girls will want to talk to you it makes you look bad too yeah yeah the whole time I've learned that since day one like that was yeah the wingman thing you know that was that was one of those I can always present my friends in a certain light and like it because that makes you look better than they end up even just wanting to talk to you more because you're like putting your friend in such a good light and like you know complimenting them listen dude being a great wingman is just like an incredible assist in basketball and in an in an assist in basketball there's sometimes you can pass it to a guy because he's open and then sometimes he's not open at all and you can't pass it to him so trying to force the ball into a situation that is defended already is not gonna happen so you just first have to become aware of that so a wingman is somebody who has this ability to talk and communicate with a girl and then when that opportunity arises where I can assist over to Sal or Justin I'm going to take that opportunity which that opportunity is an opportunity for me to pump my boys' tires like I'm gonna talk about but I'm not also not gonna force it like it's not a walk over and Justin go like oh that girl over there is really hot so then I go walk over there and as a wingman I go like hey my buddy likes you I think you're hot like no that is not the move whatsoever the move is to be fucking normal talk to people talk to everybody be friendly with everybody and as you're communicating and talking to this and sometimes you can see who would be a great blend right like somebody somebody that has a little bit more of like oh I like festivals and I you know I like I know what you're doing yeah that's so hope like I don't use deodorant you know whatever like I'm like oh my god you're so good like this is perfect I got a guy for you I'm gonna be honest he's like right in your level yeah and then it's like you're like oh wow you just got you just bought those today wow they look great they look awesome I got a guy for you you talking about boobs yeah I don't talk about boobs yeah so you know there's people you just gotta read your crowd what's wrong with the wingman today is exactly that the wingman think that it's like okay two guys go out to the bar and a good wingman you know takes the grenade for his buddy when he hooks up and meets the one girl and right and that's that's a good fucking wingman right or whatever you know or goes over and says hey my friend likes you but no a really good a good wingman can go and talk to and you guys converse with multiple groups of girls and we're both ways to on this like the best the best wingman in the world is just a funny charismatic friend of yours that those are the best openers because that's a tough one icebreaker he has to be he has to be confident enough though to be in front of a a pretty girl and be okay with talking about you and not himself yes right so if I'm in a situation and and we're that's tough for a lot of guys it is tough that's the tough but that's where most guys fail as wingman is they think it's like oh just meet my guy or meet my buddy you're like no do you have the ability to to make a connection with the girl that you're talking with that you know that you're like Justin gave a great example you know and I know we're teasing and being funny like you know girl that doesn't wear a T-O to her and or someone that's in that doesn't wear a bra but you know somebody that has similar values we all know each other really very really well and so I know what Justin's values are I know what Sal's values are I'm familiar with my own right so I know our values and if we're talking to a group of girls and one of them there are values align with Justin really well then I'm gonna find a way to segue into talking about my good friend Justin and that to me is the ultimate assist to that girl because she's already communicated that she has these things now that being said and I'm sure any girl listening right now would agree with this most women already made their fucking mind I know right as soon as the girls fucking have all the control girl walks in the bar so much power her and her four friends walk in the bar they instantly go you know they have eyes in the back of their head everyone knows this right so they can scan perfect example and I don't want to roll Taylor under the bus but when we were in Austin Texas right and I see I'm talking to this girl and we're just you know I'm having a good conversation we're at this bar and I just see her eyes just like out of the corner like just looking at him like constantly and I could just tell that there was this like I'm talking to you but I kind of want to talk to this guy or whatever so I just started walking over and then that just became a natural conversation that you know took off on its own oh right there so okay if I'm wingman right there and I catch that moment like I'm the icebreaker the transition right there I go like he's gorgeous right yeah exactly you know look at that band-bud I would totally I would totally say something like that about one of my friends and then she would probably giggle because she got caught looking at him something like that and then I would go even further and go you know it's crazy is he's actually an even better guy when you get to know him he's probably one of the best humans that I know and then I would go into telling a story about why he is such a good guy and it's game over then if she's already puppy from drowning right if you have some good can stories already that's not a bad idea if you want to be really no it's a puppy from drowning I think that's the mistake that most guys make when they're out trying to be these you know quote unquote wingmen for each other is they're still competitive and each guy is trying to get his own and it's like you can't go out like that you have to go out looking to pass the ball first and then if it plays out which I used to always drive me crazy too if we were with guys and a girl is obviously into another one of my buddies and the other guy is trying to go in there and cock block it's like dude she's already said enough things that you and I both know she's into Justin dude like I know you're attracted to her but it doesn't matter she's already showed interest in him like what you can do now is be a good wingman and assist Justin even further isn't it funny though it like even leading like even when I was single or like you know when you're single and you have that mentality already that it's like well you know just whoever it's gonna fit best with like you do so much better leading with that than you do like looking for it right not a lot of guys are good wingmen man I used to I used to prefer to be by myself than with two or three other knuckleheads that we're all stepping on each other's dish would you really would you really go to the bar by yourself oh yeah all by yourself oh yeah wow that's probably well it's probably easier because a group of guys has got to be like you're right you know getting cocked yeah no girls gonna want to man I can't see women walk up to a group of guys of course not and think about that I mean and normally when you got a group of three or four guys maybe you're lucky and one of your boys got like actually has a mouthpiece on them or has some game than the other two are like derelicts yeah you know they're all they're standing around staring at girls gooing and gone or like pointing like it's like so we look we look like we're in a zoo you know what I'm saying like what the fuck are you guys doing like we're not gonna no one's going home with anybody so I would just go like I'm gonna go over here and I would just I would leave my group of buddies that I'm with and I go by the bar by myself or I would go butt into a conversation that has four or five girls and I'm by myself I feel like a rendezvous point yeah I'll catch up with you guys later I'll see you guys just if you see me talking to some girls don't come in and interrupt leave me alone that's hilarious I don't need your help but some guys are I have had some friends of mine that but the ones that are are the ones that are extremely confident and humble and just they want to see you have a good time as much as they want to have a good time and they see a girl to me I don't know it's it's very obvious when somebody is vibing you or not vibing you and then from there really it's up to you to fuck that up or to assist it and I think a lot of guys fuck it up because they're they're trying too hard or they're stepping on each other trying to get in each other's way when it's like listen you can tell that she's into Justin every time he says a stupid joke she laughs a lot like there's giveaways dude like when a guy says something and you know him really well and it's not that funny and I've seen this with Justin for it's very common you know what I'm saying he's like he says something like that's not even his funny material and she's like oh wow she likes Justin like so I can just like a litmus test it is totally is right laugh yeah laughing at bad jokes like if she's laughing at bad jokes she probably likes you if she's looking down at her watch or her phone or over your shoulder when you're talking to you she's probably not into you and she's into somebody else so here's your sign 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