 Esta semana en News 24, Israel bajo ataque. News 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra, espadas de hierro. Entrevistas exclusivas, reportes desde la zona de guerra, la reacción de los países hispanoparlantes. News 24, el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel. News 24, únicamente en I-24 News. Estamos aquí en Kibbutz, Kfar Azar. Una de las comunidades más pequeñas de Israel que estuvieron devastadas en octubre 7, cuando unos 70 terroristas de Hamas llegaron de Gaza, rompieron la puerta de Kibbutz y empezaron una rampa de destrucción, asesoramiento, mutilación, destruir hogares, hogares como este. Este fue el hogar de Yaniv Ohana, un drummer por profesión. Él fue aquí con su hija, sus dos jóvenes, a los años 9 y 12, cuando empezó el ataque. Inicialmente, pensaron que era un ataque de roca. Yula y Yaniv, su hija, fueron con los dos niños en la casa segura de su hogar, cuando se llevaron a la armaria para un arma, para combatir contra los terroristas. Pero, mientras estaba haciendo eso, los terroristas rompieron el hogar. Yula y los dos niños murieron en la caja, en la caja, en la caja segura de su hogar. Pero la caja no fue segura. Los terroristas rompieron la caja, mientras estaban escondidos en la caja. Yula dice que se recuerda. Los terroristas sitting on top of her talking. So when they left, but they set the house aflame. Yula y los dos niños fueron pegados en la caja segura, y Yula tenía que usar la fuerza para abrir la puerta de la caja. Llegó a los dos niños, volvió a la caja segura, y escondidos en estas puestas, hasta que los terroristas fuese al frente de la casa. Y cuando llegaron a la caja, se llevaron a la casa segura, en la caja segura de su hogar, para el resto del día. Mientras, Yaniv regresó a esta área, armó el arma, confrontó a los terroristas, abrió el fuego, mató a unos 8 o 9 de ellos, después de que le atrapó una con una caja explosiva, pero a un precio. Él fue atrapado en su mano, fue atrapado, pero logró atrapar el día, y se reunió con su hija hasta los niños. Uno de los luchos, aunque estaba hospitalizado con la injera de la mano, fue un drummer, pero la semana pasada, apareció en una performance de la vida, un drummer con una mano, una performance del beneficio, para otros survivores del 7 de octubre. Con nosotros, tenemos otro residente de Kibbutz-Kforaz, Edo Feles. Edo, hemos escuchado una historia de la familia Johana. ¿Qué es tu historia de ese día? Imagínate si vas a dormir en tu casa, en una noche normal, y luego te despertas por otro ataque terrorista de rocas. No, en realidad no es normal, pero nosotros llegamos a la casa durante los años en esta área de Israel. Llegamos dentro de la casa de la casa de los safes. Estaba con mi hermano, mi madre y mi padre. Llegamos dentro, y luego... No sé si... Hay muchos rocas, no puedo decir cuántos, porque era como cada segundo, otro ataque, otro ataque y otro ataque. Un par de horas después, empezamos a realizar que esto no es solo rocas, es mucho más grande que pensamos. Es un ataque terrorista a los quebuts, a la gente de los quebuts, a los civiles, civiles con que no hay nada para protegerlos, civiles que, a más de ellos, están en la casa de los safes, en ese momento. No sé cuántos terroristas fueron dentro de los quebuts, pero mucho. Con el fuego en los ojos, ellos vinieron a matar. Y ellos murieron, y fue un precio muy alto. Unos 63 residentes de los quebuts fueron matados ese día. Unos 17 quejados en la casa de Gaza. Creo que 10 han vuelto, pero todavía hay 7, creo que de los quebuts, que aún están asistidos, incluyendo algunos de ellos, por supuesto, personalmente. Díganos, por ejemplo, sobre los quebuts, que aún están asistidos, desde Kfar Azar, están en Gaza. Sí, los quebuts, ellos just want to do good in this world. The only bad thing they did in this 7 in October, is to sleep in their home. Right, God willing, they will come back with the rest of the hostages and all the residents of Kfar Azar. Are we hearing the booms now, of the battle in Gaza? Will these kebuts rise again? Will Kfar Azar rise again? Kfar Azar will rise again, Kfar Azar will rise again better, and beautiful, and bigger, and the more powerful than ever. And this is the message we want to send all over the world, that we come here to restore our life and to bring this community to the best, to the best and to the top of the community in the world. We want to be stronger than we ever be. All right, that is the spirit of Kfar Azar, Idof Ellis. Thank you for joining us on this special two month anniversary of Israel's war against Hamas here in Kfar Azar. To this special broadcast on I-24 News, I'm Khaled Ben-David. It is two months now since the start of Israel's war against Hamas. We've moved from Kibbutz, Kfar Azar to the city of Ofaqim, which is some 25 kilometers east of the Gaza border. On the morning of October 7th, two trucks carrying 14 Hamas Terras entered the city. It was the deepest that the Hamas Terras were able to penetrate into Israel on that morning. And a fierce battle ensued here in the city of Ofaqim, a battle in which some 50 residents were killed, as many residents who had died who had been killed here in this city, in this town over the past seven decades since it was founded. The reason more were not killed was because of the actions largely of both the police officers in this city and civilians who joined in the fight. Joining us now in this special broadcast from Ofaqim, we have our senior defense correspondent, Jonathan Ragev. We have Colonel Olivia Rathowitz of the Israel Defense Forces, Spokesperson's Office. And we have a special guest sergeant, Major Yehonatan Swar, who took part in that battle on October 7th, the Battle of Ofaqim. Yehonatan, tell us about... Let's start at the beginning. Take us back to October 7th and how you experienced that day. Yeah, first of all, I wake up at 6.30, like most of the people in the southern district of Israel to the sound of sirens. Immediately I understand that something is wrong because where I live usually there's not a rocket there, no rocket attacks. A few minutes later, we received messages in our phone about the terrorists inside Israel. And our commanding officer told us to gear up and to come to our unit to take weapons and ammunition and everything we killed and to come here to Ofaqim. When we arrived here on the way here, we heard on the radio a lot of police officers that are engaging with terrorists, a lot of police officers that are requesting support and ammunition and they need help. And you don't know where to go because you have a lot of friends that you heard on the radio that are dying and you don't know when you can't go everywhere. When we arrived to Ofaqim we heard about two homes that terrorist barricade there. We went to the first home and we saw a lot of police officers already engaging with the terrorist. A few minutes later we went to another home and we fought there like two hours, something like that, three terrorists inside the home, the family also in that home. A few hours later after we cleared that home we went to the police station here in Ofaqim and we opened the emergency morgue. A lot of dead bodies from all over the area started to flow into the police station and we needed to take them from the cars, from the trucks and to place them and to not count the deads. And after that me and my fellow officers from my unit drove to Maghen. In Maghen we arrested a few terrorists that gave up because they know they can't do anything right now. And then we stayed here in Ofaqim to like 24 hours. I want to know a bit of what you were thinking and feeling that day. When did it dawn on you that this was not just another terrorist infiltration or just a few terrorists, that you were really dealing with a massive attack? Yes, in the beginning I only saw a few videos from Ofaqim and the road but only when I turned on the radio and I heard a lot of officers from all over the place, from all over the region asking for help I understood that there is a lot something bigger. When I was in the army we always prepared for something big. Not like that but we know there will be terror attack in a few locations but not something like that but when I heard all the all the location and all the officer that requesting backup I understood that something big and we dealing with a massive attack. Those of us who were watching in our homes and looking at the events and folding live on television which they did had one question where was the army? Where were the real combat forces? Did you have time to think about that during the course? Did you window yourself that or you too busy having just to deal with the reality of trying to bring the situation under control? We didn't think about the army we think about our mission our job every day we waking up to fight bad guys that morning we wake up to fight monsters but we need to do it because this is our mission this is our job we need to protect the people here the citizens our family also and when you fight alongside your friends you don't think about other stuff you think about to help in them to help yourself and to kill the enemy. Olivia, I want to ask you we are now two months into the war the achievements of the IEDF during this time are undeniable impressive achievements impressive blows against Hamas we saw the releases many of the hostages last week but 138 hostages still being held in Gaza we have 88 now combat deaths in the Gaza Strip the leadership Yachisen or Mohammed Def are still at large and Hamas still controlling much of the southern half so where are we in this war two months in? Good evening we are in war and when you ask where we are I'm telling you that from the 7th of October we are in war imposed on us by Hamas it's a very serious war we need time to complete the mission the mission is not simple but is compulsory to achieve we need to eliminate to eradicate Hamas military capabilities in the Gaza Strip we need to eliminate the leaders of Hamas and you know that there is a huge framework huge system of underground tunnels with ammunition with weapons with people and they are beneath the land we talk about maybe 30 to 40,000 operatives of Hamas in the Gaza Strip and the army is actually doing an outstanding job for now after the failure of the 7th of October we just discussed the clear failure but about where we are I think that Hamas knows very well where we are but now we cannot give too many details because we are still in a fighting situation right now there are fierce combats in the area of Sejaia of Jabalia in the northern part of the Gaza Strip also we are around Hanyunes in the south and also within the city with special forces fighting now even face to face terrorists in the area so all together we are achieving tremendous targets and achievements but we need time and time is a key issue right now to talk about well let's talk a little about that because we know there's diplomatic pressure on Israel from its key ally the United States to try to bring at least the combat stage of this war to a conclusion to try to minimize civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip a big question is being asked whether Israel whether the IDF is going to get the time it needs and is it taking that into account in the pace of its operations in Gaza which well way against other factors such as the casualties of the IDF in this situation things are done only when they are done we don't talk about what will be tomorrow and after tomorrow but containing the issue of humanitarian issues which is a very important issue I would like to emphasize that I think we are maybe the only army in the world right now running this operation like we are running it on a military point of view but also running this operation with a big I would say big emphasis on the humanitarian issue for example we are really trying to do a lot of effort in order to push the population from combat areas towards humanitarian areas mostly in a Muasi area on the west part of Hanyunes in the south we gave a lot of resources in order to do it we are also allowed in spite of the fact that the power is over we are allowed still hundreds of trucks from Egypt through a Rafia crossing point to pass on to provide humanitarian assistance in many fields and for us it is a very important issue even if we know that many NGOs or the Hamas are trying actually to criticize in all means what the idea is doing in order to prevent civilians to be involved in combat situations alright we are talking of course we are here in the south Jonathan so we are focusing on the main front the Gaza front but there are other fronts in this war there is the northern front Hezbollah today a civilian being killed by fire from across the Lebanese border we've had several casualties both civilians and officers some senior officers from the IDF there's a front that Israel has never experienced before with the shooting of missiles rockets ballistic missiles from Yemen by the Iranian backed Houthi rebels we've seen increased terrorist activity and the IDF responses in the West Bank you've covered a lot of the military activity over the past years here in Israel let's look at have the IDF is dealing with this challenge this is the multi-front war in many ways that we have been talking about for years now it is it is the multi-front war but there's one front which is of course the big one the one where where most of the efforts are concentrated and that is Gaza all other fronts are active but to a certain level especially Hezbollah which has always been and still is the most worrisome front and there is constant back and forth fire but to a certain extent both sides if we look at it almost completely not entirely but almost completely keep it almost on the border fence and not beyond that if Hezbollah would have wanted to join full on it had many chances to do it first there was October 7 when Israel was literally caught by surprise what better time to join the fight but they did not do it on October 7 Did Hezbollah know or not know that the October 7 attack was planned not exactly sure many factors are saying that Hezbollah was not aware this attack was kept in complete secrecy and Hezbollah was not aware that is why perhaps they did not join then there were a couple of statements by Hezbollah officials saying once if Israel invades with ground forces then we will join full on that did not happen either then they said now there's a ceasefire when the ceasefire ends and if Israel expands its ground operation then we will join they did not do that either does that mean that we can be certain can we know for sure that Hezbollah will not join further on no we cannot know we can never really know what is going to happen the assumption is that the main focus will remain here the other arenas are active but will remain active as they are does that mean that Iran is already aware that they're losing one proxy losing one front of its multi-front perhaps because Hezbollah because Hamas will eventually collapse and that means that along this multi-front war that Iran was planning for years one front will eventually be lost alright Yahonopam we've talked about different fronts in this war there is another front the home front it has to be said there are Israelis certainly here in the what we call the Gaza envelope area certainly those who are living in the northern border yes in other parts as well rockets have been falling a Tel Aviv a sense of uncertainty in many other communities that sense of personal security that many Israelis had prior to October 7th has been shattered in some degree how do you feel as a policeman who the one the branch of the Israeli force is really responsible personal sense of security feel about going forward and whether that can be restored I think now more than ever the Israeli citizens trusting the police more than ever because they saw that police officers and police force as they all stood up against the most powerful attack Israel experience in the few decades and we saved I think thousands of life at that day every single officer saved hundreds and thousands of people because because the spirit of the officers the bravery the mindset that my mission is to protect life at any cost even if I lose my life and we see it every day when I walk in the street people tell me hello and keep yourself safe and I will love the police and something like that and now more than ever I think the people is counting on the police and they saw that the police officers are brave as soldiers as every other branch of security so you know that there was a black no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no de esta situación. De acuerdo, debemos mencionar que los contactos de roca y alerta han estado experimentados desde octubre 7. Creo que los israelíos han entendido que solo juntos podemos ganar todo, solo cuando no nos encuentran entre nosotros lefto, righto no importa. No me importa que me protege a todos y cada oficer protege a todos no importa la opinión política, no importa lo que piensas incluso a las personas que agarran a la policía, nos protege ese día. Creo que los israelíos necesitan ser fuertes, necesitan ser unidos y todo será fixado. No sé, no me importa porque no es mi trabajo pero solo juntos solo como un grupo como una nación vamos a ganar todo contra nosotros. Olivia, esa unidad, ese sentimiento de unidad y moral y el apoyo de la idea está ahí pero un problema que está en el corazón de los israelíos y el problema de los hosteges y como mucho factor de la discusión que han tenido pero la pregunta que las personas están preguntando es, ¿cómo los hosteges serán retornados y como la armada está tomando la seguridad de ellos en la misión muy peligrosa en Gaza? Quiero ser muy claro para la armada de Israel, para el gobierno de Israel, para los colegios, para los soldados en la IDF de los hosteges o la vida es una prioridad. Ahora es una prioridad desde el very beginning y para todos nosotros vemos estos hosteges en la armada como la primera misión para lograr. Ahora, no significa que porque de eso no vamos a continuar a combattir o a destruir Hamas Hamas infraestructuras y a cuidar Hamas líderes en la armada. Para hacerla claro. Es porque la armada, la idea es muy fuerte, es porque la armada está haciendo lo que están haciendo contra Hamas en Jabalia, en Sejaia, ahora mismo en Hanyunes es porque estamos haciendo ahí porque todos los soldados, los militares, están ahora peleando ahora mismo en los primeros combates en todo el mundo. Es por eso que Hamas alguna vez será obligado para encontrar la forma para hacer los hosteges volver a la vida a Israel. Porque sin la presión militar no aceptará, no aceptará en ningún sentido la posibilidad de hacer los hosteges volver a casa. Y lo hacemos como prioridad porque tenemos en mente todos nosotros, en Israel, en la armada, en el Shabbat, en la policía tenemos en mente el 10 meses de la fe. Y su hermano Ariel, todos ellos, 17 mujeres y niños, están todavía ahí. Y para Israel, los hosteges volverán a la vida a la casa. Es, creo, como, como dices, lo esperamos. Eso sería el caso. Para las personas de Israel, y para las personas jews, porque la fe es el 10, el 10 meses, que la fe es incertena. Y eso es, Jonathan, eso es lo que es la fe en el corazón de Israel. Es la incertena sobre la fe de los hosteges. Eso es correcto. Y no solo eso, hemos escuchado testimonios de más de 100 hosteges que regresan. Y sabemos que la situación es muy difícil. Es una situación muy difícil. Ellos pueden ser torturados. Es una situación difícil. Y muchos de los hosteges están viejos, están inundados, y no sabemos, no sabemos el número exacto. Estamos hablando de 138, pero quizá hay más. Es una situación muy difícil. Quiero preguntar a Jonathan Regev y a Colonel Raff, que nos quedan con nosotros. Cuando vamos por un momento, muchas gracias por el heroísmo que tú y tus colegios están dispuestos aquí en Ofaquem en ese día de octubre 7. Gracias. Vamos a estar de vuelta con nosotros en I-24 News. Estamos en I-24 News viajando dos meses desde el inicio de la guerra contra Hamas. Estamos aquí en la ciudad de Ofaquem de 25 km hacia el lado de la gaza Strip. Como mencioné, en octubre 7, unos dos colegios de Hamas y la ciudad empezaron a asumir y asumir unos 50 personas durante el curso de la día. Es un número equivalente a todos los personas que han sido asumidos en Ofaquem desde que se encontró en 1955. La única razón que se ha asumido durante esa incursión fue la acción heroica de los policiales que llegaron a esta ciudad y estaban aquí y también los civiles que asumieron la guerra. Todavía con nosotros tenemos a los colegios de la defensa de Jonathan Regev y a Colonel Olivia Raffwitz de la IDF, la oficina de la persona. En este caso, también es la hermana de Major Sergeant Ronny Abujarón una de esas oficinas que se asumieron heroicamente para salvar la ciudad de la ciudad de Hamas y por lo tanto, pagaron con su vida en su vida. Cuál fue tu experiencia en la mañana de octubre 7 y lo que sabes sobre las acciones de tus hermanos y los sonidos tremendosos de Cairns. Ayer took all the kids, my son and my nephews and nieces and we went down to the shelter, to our home shelter and I called my sister-in-law Ronny's wife, Shiran and I told her everything is okay, the kids are fine, we made it to the shelter and they are relaxed, don't worry and then she told me there are terrorists coming to Fakim and Ronny went out just dressed, took his pistol and went out we started to call Ronny me and my other sister and brothers, we try to reach to him and also my mom when he didn't answer I called my brother the officer, he's an officer in the police and I told him please check what is happening with Ronny Rafi came from Bersheva drove from Bersheva to of Fakim knowing that Ronny is safe in one of the houses he said if I'm already here I will join the fighting you need to understand that until they arrived to the Tamar street where civilians and policemen started to fight them there was a slaughter that started at the Gorin street from the road they shot people elderly people, people that were running for shelters they shot everybody and what Ronny did what we now know that Ronny did is told people to go inside the houses instead of those outside safe rooms what we called meguniyot and he told them go inside the houses, close the door he also told Rachel, the famous Rachel with the cookies the one who had detained Hamas terrorists with cookies and kept them in a sense occupied until police could come in and rescue her and he told her and David her husband to go inside and unfortunately terrorists that came from the roundabout here shot at him and he was killed in front of her house the person that discovered this idea was my brother he saw him my elder brother he saw Ronny lying on the street and he was the one who came and told us that Ronny was gone and he died and we didn't believe and we said to him Rafi are you sure and he said I'm covered with his blood yeah and it was really the blackest Shabbat ever not just for the state but also for us let me ask you about what you were experiencing yourself on your feelings on that they even beyond your brother's death we had an officer here did you wonder where was the army how big is this happening he said that in the midst of the action he couldn't give thought he couldn't entertain those thoughts what about yourself were you thinking what's happening here why is it so beyond our imagination where are the forces we are living in Ofakim which is very close to a lot of army bases and also air force bases and we were shocked to see that none of the plane flew over our over our head usually when there are stuff happening in the north we immediately hearing the planes over the in the sky of Ofakim there was silence the only people that went outside where the policemen Ofakim most of them didn't work in Ofakim station some of them worked like my brother he was a detective in Raad station in Raad station lost four of its policemen that's the better in town also that south and also the policemen the police lost 59 policemen during that time the police was the thin blue line that actually saved the Nagan I don't want to say that the army was not there because I know that people were fighting in Beirut I lost their lives but here in Ofakim we didn't see the army yet ok let me just ask you as I said you were born and raised in this town fairly short distance from Gaza over the years you've had experience the continual rocket attacks how has that experience left you as a as a person as an Israeli as a resident especially of this city of Ofakim usually until October 7 we used to go outside and see like the missiles and the iron doom together and since that day when we hear sirens we are closing windows we are closing the doors the main gate usually in our home the front gate was open for the people that live in front of us that they don't have any shelter to come and enter our home no any more for anybody the front gate is now closed and we are scared from what will come after the missiles we are not scared from the missiles we are scared from what will happen after the missiles right well that is the challenge Olivier bringing that sense of security back I want to talk about earlier we spoke with Jonathan about some of the other fronts dealing with in this war the northern front where tens of thousands of residents have had to leave their homes and relocate to other locations because of the hezbollah rockets now people in the city of a lot that used to be a city of where people during times of conflict in Israel would seek refuge in fact many of the residents of the Gaza envelope area are being housed in hotels in a lot far as way as a Yemen as the IDF doesn't have the resources to deal with what we said before is now maybe its first multi front war in decades let's be cautious when we define the situation there is a war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip there is a combat situation in the north we send very clear messages to the hezbollah to Lebanon through different actors in order to keep this border not to all out war in the case that hezbollah will decide to go to all out war then like just said today Prime Minister Netanyahu Berut could be like Hanunez or Gaza like today so they will take a big risk to go forward containing the situation in the south the Houthi rebels from Yemen using ballistic missiles supplied by Iran that's the point Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthi are connected to the same support which is Iran and Iran right now is indirectly involved in this situation by using Hamas in the south Hezbollah in the north and the Houthi in Yemen Israel but in a situation where they want to go in this war but without being directly involved in this war so let's be right now cautious like just said the priority for Israel is to fight and to win the war against Hamas in the south just mentioned by Corki what happened here is for us a must in order to destroy the route of the massacre which is Hamas Hamas will pay, Hamas will be destroyed at the end of this operation it will take the time that it will need to be but at the end of the day Hamas will be destroyed containing the north and other areas I think that the world right now is watching the IDF stronger than ever and what happened on the 7th of October was a failure and we will discuss about this failure right now the world the region sorry are watching the IDF standing up very strong beyond them the people of Israel one nation together the soldiers are from all over from the south, from the north from Kiachmana from Elat fighting against Hamas and I think that maybe the strongest message tonight on this first candle is that Hamas is stronger than ever to fight against Hamas we just today show to the world tens of detenis, new detenis Hamas arrested some of them surrendered to the IDF forces in the other strip is Hamas losing control of that part of the Gaza strip I guess the southern half this is a big question being asked now Bob scenes people grabbing the humanitarian aid off those trucks scenes of people speaking out openly against Hamas is that the assessment of the IDF? I think it's better not to give any assessment until the end of the mission what it achieved right now we are in the middle of the fight we are losing soldiers we are moving in Hamas is maybe moving in different directions not understanding the civilian population we are not fighting Gaza people we are fighting Hamas so let's wait let's be patient we need time at the end of the day the IDF will achieve the mission for all the people who suffered murders and dead friends people brothers we will destroy Hamas and then we will discuss what we need to also discuss but when the war is over Jonathan as Olivia said the IDF losing men in Gaza two more today I believe one we should take note of the son of Garry Eisencott the former chief of staff of the IDF himself a member of the war cabinet part of that elite group that is making decisions about how this war is being fought losing his son there on the battlefield in Gaza and maybe highlighting the sacrifice again as Olivia said Israeli is coming from all walks of life here no one has spared the pain and the sacrifice even the people at the very top making these decisions but that's going to be as the battle goes on and it goes into difficult areas especially maybe a showdown core a difficult and painful sacrifice for Israelis to make you know who spared from sacrifices the children of Hamas leaders because there was another thing which was published today and that is the fact that the son of Ismail Hania he bought jewelry just the past year he bought jewelry jewelry which is worth the salary of two years the average salary this year alone on jewelry just on jewelry that is the son of the leader of Hamas on the other hand this is our side the Israeli side the son of a former chief of staff the son of a prominent member of the cabinet of the war cabinet is a combat soldier a reserve combat soldier a volunteer combat soldier there were so many opportunities for this man not to be a combat soldier not to volunteer not to be in reserve because he has the connections in the high places but in Israel for most for most times that doesn't happen everybody goes on to fight even the son of the chief of staff what a difference between what is happening on our side and on their side if I may I would like to salute all the soldiers tonight in the Gaza Strip around no son border we must salute them because some things that for all of us he is a must to protect and to defend the state of Israel so really we can only say to Darba thank you to all of them because we are here because they are there Kalki this war is being fought in many fronts as we discussed there is another front as well international public opinion international media that has in many ways not been sympathetic to Israel in the past that has in many ways presented a distorted picture I am going to ask you as one of those Israelis who for years has suffered under the rocket attacks from Hamas that have seen what happened on October 7 and paid a painful price for it when you perhaps and you are an English speaker obviously see how some of those abroad have been presenting perhaps a distorted picture a biased picture de Israel's struggle against Hamas I for my side I had an interview on the time and the New York Times the New York Times yes we had an interview a reporter came here and he was shocked from what happened he travelled with me in the Tamar street and in the Goran street and he met with the people around come here the local don't hear don't listen to any official members of the government don't listen to your reporters come and meet the citizens come to see what we are suffering on a daily basis what happened to us on October 7 I think it's the best thing for a person to know from one person to another person without any negotiation and without nice words just to hear how much people are suffered during October 7 people didn't go out of their houses for two days because they were so afraid that terrorists are still travelling and moving in Ofoquín we had and kids here are in regression they are wetting in bed and they are having problems they have dreams I have one nephew and two nieces that are the the kids of my brother running and they are devastated their mental health is not the same and it will never be the same because they hear missiles they know that their father died for us, lucky for us they are not at home but all the kids in this neighborhood heard RPG heard gunshots people screaming dying some of them so bodies outside while those are sites of civilians this is not a sites of army those are not soldiers they were simply civilians so if they want to hear the truth I will host anyone that will want to come and hear what happened to us on October 7 I will host anyone I hope that all for us taken up I want to get your views on this as a veteran journalist and a member of the idea spokesperson's office because this is not just an issue of public relations or public diplomacy Israel is going to have to get the support it needs especially from the United States and its key allies in Europe to get the latitude, to get the time it needs to carry out its mission of destroying Hamas bringing a new order for the civilians of Hamas and most of all of course freeing the hostages bringing them back home and bringing them home in a timely manner because we know from the reports what's been happening and I want to say Olivier that's part of your challenge an accurate picture of really what the situation is what it's been about certainly what it is now on the ground here especially in the Gaza theater I think that there is a war within the war there is a war against Hamas there is also a war to explain to legitimate what we are doing now against Hamas and it is true that sometimes we are surprised to see people they don't understand what we are doing there is a war which is our war and we need to wait this war and to win this war because what happened to us on the 7th of October is a war that sometimes we need to explain to our friends or allies that between you and me people in Paris, in London in Stockholm, in the States all over the world maybe don't express it but I think that they understand that they fight for their survival for their fight to be here in this part of the globe here in Israel as a Jewish state because what happened on the 7th of October was a willingness for people to destroy the Jewish state they wanted to destroy the Jewish people in Ophakeem, in N'Auz, in Nakhaloos all over and we know it because we know it, we are now fighting back and if people don't like us it's not a problem because we need to be strong and right now it is our war our time to fight and we have no other alternative to bring back the hostages alive and to fight and to win we explain but if they don't understand we will continue to fight I understand that but it is a problem of sorts Jonathan because as I said before Israel is going to need some support it has been the United States both in supplying arms to Israel in helping defend it even outright in dealing for example with the missiles being shot by Yemen by the Houthi rebels by bringing the 6th fleet off the coast of Lebanon in order to keep Hezbollah restrained but it is a challenge in the context of of course there are civilians suffering we don't know reliable figures Hamas has said some 16,000 and the challenge of journalists to try to put that figure in the context of where the responsibility for those civilian casualties really lies in the Gaza Strip and what really has to be done to both save Israeli civilians but also in a sense those civilians in Gaza it is very challenging because you know global leaders and some friendly leaders like President Macron of France for example the men is very friendly for the Israeli cause I don't think anyone can doubt that and he said loud and clear we are concerned by the amount of civilian casualties in Gaza I completely agree with the men it is very concerning that there are so many civilian casualties the question is why does this happen and explaining to the world why the reason that it is happening is not because Israel has in Gaza but because Hamas is using them as human shields we are seeing the IDF spokesperson is bringing out every day videos of huge ammunition depots in schools, in mosques in hospitals, the Shifa hospital we saw that tunnel underneath what was that tunnel for is it a water dam the answers of course no and explaining that to the world there are so many factors networks like politicians who are ignoring that there is civilian suffering in Gaza and that's it that word that everybody likes to use to the context the UN general the secretary general and those of the American universities the heads of the American universities there is a context and there is a reason for the human suffering in Gaza not because of the Israeli will Israel has no will whatsoever in doing it it's because Hamas is using them as human shields explaining that to the world is a very challenging issue I want to ask you a lot of talk about the day after in Gaza and that's uncertain nobody knows what will happen in Gaza when Hamas is toppled and of course all the hostages are free but let me ask you about your vision of the day after here in Gaza will still be there there will still be the millions of Palestinians there the negative itself is a challenging area for Israel what do you think what is your hopes for the day after here in Al-Fakim that you think that the residents are going to need as a child I went to Gaza they had the most amazing pitches so tasty we were traveling back and forth to Gaza and unfortunately instead of things getting better they got worse listening to fundamental religious ideas and changing their their way of treating Israel and thinking about us in a different way because we had a lot of people coming in the past working here in the municipality from Gaza they were working here in Al-Fakim to tell you if I see a situation that things like that will come back and be again not in the short term not in the short term and I don't think not in the next 40 years we are now not believing most of the people in Al-Fakim do not believe in peace now they believe in a clear border in a situation that we will have security around us and it means very suspicious to our neighbors for now maybe through education maybe from both sides it needs to be education from both sides because I grew up my father originally is from Egypt and I grew up in a place that we read the Quran we knew the Quran we were not afraid of Islam but something got changed they got changed we were also some of our people are changed so to tell you that we are optimistic no but one thing for sure Al-Fakim is a strong community I'm going to be Al-Fakim is my home and I love the people here and I believe that we will be stronger and we will cherish the memory of those one who thanks to them we are alive coffee, abo, arroz thank you for joining us I would like to end on this note as a living order this is the first night of Hanukkah holiday in which the maqabim had to fight for their freedom for their own security yes there was a miracle the miracle of the lamp but that miracle only came after a hard fought hard one military victory by the maqabis and that is a spirit that still animates Israel today as it fights this latest war against Hamas thank you for joining us on I24 news for the special broadcast Israel custom made men's fashion to your measurements made for me, designer of all your events schedule your appointment at www.madeforme.co.il made for me, official dresser of I24 news good evening ladies and gentlemen Israel is at war make an investment in Israel bonds it is the most powerful and direct way to stand with Israel visit israelbonds.com and invest now semana en news 24 Israel bajo ataque news 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la 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not to volunteer but the son of God did not choose that path he understood that just like his father was a brave warrior for the state of Israel he must do the same and paid with his life the soldier is extremely sad but this also has this very very sad irony that comes along with it and clearly a devastating story yes indeed so many too many Israeli soldiers who are being killed while protecting the homeland and Jonathan to that point exactly a day of yet another day of intense fighting and the Gaza Strip in the south but not just that also in the northern part of the Gaza Strip tying up loose ends so to speak what can you tell us yes as far as incoming fire towards Israel this day was more intense in the north than in the south we had an Israeli an Israeli citizen killed on the Gaza border from anti-tank fire coming from Lebanon of fire from Lebanon to Israel and also from Syria to Israel the northern front may not be as intense as the Gaza front in this war but it's a very concerning issue and one that Israel will have to deal with because let's remember tens of thousands of Israelis from northern Israel I'm not speaking of the Gaza border but from northern Israel are displaced from their homes they will not go back until they feel complete safety that complete safety yes and we're already seeing some diplomatic efforts gaining esteam and disrespect we will get more further into that later on in the broadcast but Jonathan before we let you go give us the latest on the humanitarian aid that is entering the Strip we know that fuel and a whole lot of it is getting into the Gaza Strip yes as opposed to what Israel said at the beginning no fuel whatsoever fuel is coming in first of all this is the request of the American administration and there's clearly a certain limit as to how much Israel can say no to the American administration that has been backing Israel so fiercely since this war began also perhaps as part of negotiations that could perhaps lead to visits of the Red Cross of the Israeli hostages so yes fuel is coming in this is the first time this equation is created fuel in exchange for Red Cross access even though we will continue to stress it that Red Cross access to civilian hostages should not be enshrined in any agreement it should be the default but this is fortunately not the case I-24 news senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev, thank you very much for this and from south we're heading north now I-24 news senior medallist correspondent Ariella Serrán standing by the way I-24 news team Ariella another busy day in the north a day of war Hezbollah claiming responsibility for no less than 11 attacks just today That's right Ellie, another day of war as you put it just a short while ago on the Lebanese side reports of Israeli artillery in the area of the southern Lebanese town of Alida just across Malquia north of the Upper Galilee and that follows as you mentioned 11 Hezbollah attacks the last one about a couple hours ago anti-tank missile attack on one of the IDF border posts there are no reports of injuries in that but indeed earlier today there was an Israeli civilian who was killed as a result of one of these anti-tank missile attacks in the area of Matat who is a 54 year old farmer from Guesher-Haziv that's one of the communities in the north that has not been evacuated but the area of Matat has as many farmers in the area have returned to try and save what they can of their produce throughout the day Israel carrying out multiple patrols in its latest statement the IDF saying that fighter jets have been targeting different Hezbollah infrastructure including an operational command and control center and I should note that deadly attack in the northern part in Matat coincided with a visit by Prime Minister Netanyahu Defense Minister Joav Garant and Chief of Staff they were visiting up north in the northern command holding a situation assessment and then Netanyahu when he was visiting one of the artillery batteries in the upper Galilee he sent a warning message to Hezbollah in the midst of this fighting let's take a listen to what he said if Hezbollah decides to start an all out war they will turn with their own hands Beirut and southern Lebanon far from here into Gaza and Ranyunis we are determined to bring victory and Ariel briefly before we I'll let you go we do hear more reports about the American diplomatic push to reach about some sort of a solution to the Hezbollah threat as Washington made it clear time and time again it does not want to see Israel engaging in a full blown war Hezbollah essentially finally reinforcing the existing UN resolution or seeking to well if we're talking about yeah if we're talking about reinforcing the UN resolution 1701 which prohibits Hezbollah maintaining any weapons or military infrastructure south of the Letani river there's a lot to be done regarding that and that is one of the questions whether Is that what Israel is going to pursue following its war in Gaza because as its residents here in the north have said and also the leaders of Israel themselves they're they're very aware of this northern threat of Hezbollah's presence right along the border and obviously it's not a threat that can just be passed by as if it doesn't exist obviously the recent history proves that something does need to be done at least that is the care the concern of the locals here but indeed also the United States and the rest of Israel's allies are aware of that need but there is also a lot of intent to discuss it properly and to try to avoid the pictures coming out from Gaza repeating themselves in Lebanon obviously this is a threat that Netanyahu and Gallant have been issuing multiple times to Lebanon as to Hezbollah as we've just heard but the situation is very complicated and concerning. Well intent is one thing results something completely different. I-2040 is Middle East course monitor. Thank you very much for this and we want to now welcome here in studio professor Uzi Rambi director of the Moshe Dayan center for Middle East studies and senior researcher at the center for Iranian studies at the Tel Aviv University. I'm going to begin if you will on the northern front. It's not always just about the what but the who and the who in this respect is particularly interesting because we're talking about White House official Amos Horkstein who mediated not so orchestrated rather not so long ago the maritime border agreement between Israel and Lebanon and yet I repeat Israel and Lebanon not Israel and Hezbollah when push comes to shove Hezbollah is going to adhere to to what to the non existent government in Beirut or to Tehran. And this is actually the thing itself well I think that Israel should welcome any effort actually to make Hezbollah implement actually or the implementation of 1701 because this is kind of a must otherwise those guys actually Israelis who were were told actually to just you know evacuate themselves are the displaced citizens of Israel Refugees in their own country Exactly Actually they won't get back to their homes and basically as we said before this is not kind of a thing which has to do with the ruled and rulers relationships in Israel this is something that has to do with the Zionist ethos we have to make them go back and it goes without saying that they are not going to do that as long as actually those were at one force Hezbollah are literally on the fence so basically I take it as kind of you know kind of a diplomatic in my view it would be futile and you know that would be to set the stage for a military in my opinion Israeli attack on Hezbollah in order to force Hezbollah to just set back to get to retreat to the northern part of the Litany River So if in the south we are seeing a military push in order to bring about some sort of a diplomatic resolution the opposite the first diplomatic attempt that will lead us to a military push this is exactly because I don't believe that Iran neither Hezbollah actually are going actually to you know to agree to implement it and to just went or go back and this is why I think that we are at a very crucial moment because Israel is not dealing 100% with the north and the main focus es Gaza I don't understand clearly I must say actually what Israel's strategy regarding the north is and this is very very bad because when it comes to the citizens they are you know disoriented they don't know exactly actually what the end would be and they have the right to be suspicious about Israeli intentions because they don't want the recurrence of the south at their home so basically so this linear approach of Israel first this addressing this threat then the other one you're suggesting I suggest that it is being capitalized by Nasrallah partially because he knows that the Israeli actually this is what Israel says against Israel by itself this could be definitely be considered by him a sort of a victory but it is for the time being what I'm trying to say is that Israel has to just compile sort of a well arranged and well thought strategy by which to create kind of a solution in the north and the solution must actually include 1701 diplomatic means all militarily I think the diplomatic means actually are just kind of you know pretext to be yeah we've seen what people were the first to leave the area when they tap in unifil the same forces as it was supposed to enforce that in any case Israel after in the aftermath of the 7th of October a very fierce and harsh manner because this is actually what is going to be learned in the Middle East about Israel's performance it's not only actually for years to come and Professor Abbey let's do shift the focus back to what's happening down south in the Gaza Strip and perhaps the best indication to what is happening is not the IDF statements or the remarks of this professor what we hear from Gazans themselves let's take a listen no no no no no no no no no no professor these are Gazans talking against Hamas from within the Gaza Strip I personally do not recall such statements since Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip way back when and we do need to connect that to two other occurrences today one the surrender of Hamas terrorists elsewhere in the Strip and third the black and white proof of what the son of Ismail Hania has been doing while the people of Gaza were suffering blood diamonds buying diamonds worth a whole lot of money two years of a salary for the average Gaza connecting these three issues it doesn't look too good for Hamas yet doesn't mean that they're about to kneel well you know the debate I can tell you that while looking at can pointing the second capitalING ofotine so to speak the place where actually Mohammed swear Jonathan death for given birth right it's actually there are basically original Y cuando viene a lo que vemos aquí, tenemos que tener en mente que 1 millón de gaseos que vienen del norte están ahí. Un tercero de la populación de Ganeunas está haciendo un poco de excidus a la sea o el rafa. Y aquí viene la otra cosa. Los gaseos son tan confusos, desplazados de casi todo, especialmente los que vienen del norte, que lo que hacemos aquí en los últimos días es complicar todos los tipos contra el Hamas, tenemos una indicación aquí. Pero si yo take, en realidad, los tres ejemplos, en realidad, y todos estos son como un núcleo, que uno debería desplazarse y se convirtió en una mutinidad muy pequeña contra el Hamas, porque las personas son contra la guerra. Ahora, en realidad, nadie puede decir historias. No hay manera de volver al norte de la gaseosa. Las personas están asesinadas para justificar aquí y ahí. Y aquí viene otra indicación. Cuando los que vienen del norte y los gaseos están asesinados en la gaseosa, están asesinados por una militares armada. Hamas está asesinado por las personas que están asesinadas y los que están asesinados por todas estas víctimas. Las víctimas están asesinadas por nuestras vidas. Pero puedo decir que esta cosa es algo que es de gran importancia. Sí. Israel es parte de eso, porque todo eso debería ser introducido juntos. Y sí, cuando el grado está asesinado, la dirección que Hamas va a enviar a la población podría estar más hacia el norte, como en el bordo con Egipto y Egipto, no podría haber sido más claro sobre sus líneas raras, sin cruzar a Egipto, creando un problema entre Egipto y Israel. Sí. Y vean las fotos de los, en realidad, Hamas, los militares que fueron asesinados. Sí. En realidad, la forma en la que están introduciendo estas fotos es para humiliar Hamas en los ojos de las víctimas. De sus líderes. Sí. Sí, vamos a poner un punto aquí, profesor Gabi, pero, por supuesto, continuamos a infectar la situación, porque queremos una nota no de que alguien haya necesitado más demostración, que hay algo severamente malo con la compasidad moral de la UN, recientemente. Ahora viene esto. El secretario general Antonio Gutiérrez ha invocado la prevención rara de la UN, a el Consejo de Seguridad de la Seguridad de la Acción en Gaza, diciendo, que threatens el mantenimiento de la Seguridad Internacional, no Hamas, pero Israel. Esto es lo que la UN ha mencionado, a decir. Según la escala de la falta de la vida humana en Gaza y en Israel, en una gran cantidad de tiempo, el secretario general ha hoy enviado una lettera al presidente de la Seguridad de la Seguridad invocando el artículo 99 del Charter de la UN. Esto es la primera vez que Antonio Gutiérrez ha hecho esto, desde que se hizo el secretario general en 2017. Artículo 99 dice, que el secretario general puede llevar a la atención a la Seguridad de la Acción, cualquier cosa en su opinión, que pueda threatens el mantenimiento de la Seguridad Internacional. Estos días, el artículo 99 de la Seguridad de la Seguridad de la Acción ha sido realizado por la Comunidad de la Seguridad de la Seguridad de la Seguridad de la Acción, y el artículo 99. ¿Qué es eso exactamente? Y, por lo menos, ¿qué significa en práctica? Es decir, el artículo 99 dice que el artículo 99 se ha hecho y dice que se ve que es un gran riesgo, que se envía a la Seguridad de la Acción para liberar. Es un significado simbólico, y yo lo puedo entender por qué el gobierno israelí y el público israelí estaría obsesionado por esto. En principal, no se usaba, por ejemplo, en la guerra de la Ucrania, que es un gran riesgo internacional, de paz y seguridad en la geopolítica, que es esto. Lo que sea en la situación humanitaria, es tan triste como es. En la extracción de la Seguridad de la Acción. Entonces, yo lo puedo entender que eso dice que no tiene mucha relevancia porque es lo que va a hacer la Seguridad de la Acción. Los Estados Unidos están ahí, el gobierno británico está ahí, y otros están ahí. La Seguridad de la Acción se ha funcionado durante la guerra. Finalmente, pasamos a una resolución que, por supuesto, incluye un call para una pausa humanitaria, pero el Ely también incluye un call para los hostes para ser frecuentes como lo digo en nuestras shows. Incondicionalmente, no hay un problema. Incondicionalmente, los russianos no votaron. Pero, en realidad, yo lo puedo entender que mi gente está obsesionado. Estar mirando el libro y mirando el contexto, interpretar lo que es lo que está haciendo. Y puedo admitir que la fase de la hebra podría ser un poco roja para decir otro, pero eso dice, la ley no es un desastre. El movimiento de la Seguridad de la Acción no es un desastre. Se generó una reacción muy difícil de el ministro de la Comunidad Ely Cohen y del gobierno israeliano. Pero Ely, creo que es menos por este acto, no por lo que Guterres está haciendo en el presente, y mucho más por lo que Guterres ha hecho en el pasado. El momento en el que Antonio Guterres vio y dijo que el 7 de octubre que no sucedió en un vacío, murió todos los bloques, para siempre, para siempre, con el gobierno israeliano y el público israeliano, generó la reacción muy, muy difícil que se ve ahí, y esa es la reacción difícil que continúa. Así que creo que la reacción de esta letra y esta movida es menos la letra y la movida, por lo que dice, y más sobre Guterres en el pasado reciente en este, en este tema, que seguramente es para la condemnación del gobierno israeliano. Como por esto, de nuevo, cuando realmente veas a verlo, no creo que es algo que es algún tipo de diplomático meaningful para Israel. Por ejemplo, vimos a la Unión Europea Policía, Josep Borrell viene y dice que su suporta y otros. Borrell no puede ser Israel's mejor amigo internacional, pero también no es Israel's más capital actor. Entonces, de nuevo, esto apelga a las constituencias que seguramente no tendrán lo que Guterres ha hecho en el pasado y lo que ha hecho en el pasado creo que es un momento que genera la reacción que hemos visto durante el último día. Pero esto es crucial y tan importante que estás explicando esto y porque nos escuchan a veces explicando a otras instituciones que están procurando una reacción automática sin realmente examinar lo que ha hecho y aquí estás diciendo que en el esquema de cosas Guterres no es tal vez escondido su sentimiento cuando viene a la guerra de Hamas de Israel. Pero en este momento escondidos esto no es eso. Bueno, esto no es algo que la ministra quisiera. Por supuesto. No sabía que se apoyarían. No sabía que se apoyarían. Obviamente, la parte que condemna el 7 de octubre, sí. Pero el resto y puede ser una de las descripciones de los factores de la situación humanitaria no creería que Israel no es para blanar. De nuevo, no creo que la letra explicamente blanece a Israel. Y lo escuchan muy bien. Y en el sentido, el sabor aquí es muy diferente. De acuerdo con eso. Pero de nuevo, en su propia acción, si Paterish no había los comentarios de vacuums, no creo que este movimiento podría generar el tipo de angustia y las reacciones que tiene. Pero el también ha hecho ese comentario y se ha quemado sus grijas siempre. Yo quiero que se ve en respecto a la memoria. Pero esto es lo que hemos hecho. Yo también. Muchas gracias para este oen ultraman. Un break. Y aquí con todo el análisis. No nada. 24 Israel bajo ataque 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra espadas de hierro. Entrevistas exclusivas de la reacción de los países hispanoparlantes. 24 el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel. 24 únicamente en I24 News. Vengan conmigo y queremos dejar la estrategia y las tactics y las manuvas diplomáticas y hablar de las personas. Galgil Bordolal que es el nuevo festival masacre y su hermano Gai todavía está en el Gaza Strip por Jama Sarris. Gal, muchas gracias por acompañarnos hoy. Sabemos que es la oposición fácil relivar esos momentos con todas las entrevistas. ¿Cómo estás? Es una cuestión difícil. Es una cuestión fácil que es muy difícil. Es muy difícil responder ahora mismo en estos días. O sea, los días son difíciles. Estás cansado y no optimista sobre todo y a veces te sientes un poco esperanza cuando te escuchas algunas cosas y luego vas a ser no muy optimista y es como un encuadrón. Sí, un entendimiento, tal vez puede ser como counterintuitivo que es más fácil hablar sobre Gai. ¿Cuándo fue el último tiempo? ¿Tienes alguna indicación sobre él? ¿Tienes algunas de las asociaciones o tal vez algo de ellos sobre Gai? No, actualmente la última indicación sobre mi hermano fue desde el día en que él era un niño y tuvimos un video de él siendo hosted dentro de Gai probablemente dentro de los canales porque fue en un terreno y desde este video no recibimos alguna parte de información sobre Gai y nada realmente. Sí y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, y, brother guy, a healthy young man is quote unquote last on this devil's list. Yeah, that's right, you know, one thing that was very hard for us. It's when the disease virus stopped and, you know, the hostages stopped returning and we know that when they postponed it, it's all it's also postponed the time when my brother will come back. And we know that he will come back probably with the last with the last deal. And and yeah, it's very hard because the time time here is time is weird, you know, it's feeling like we're stuck on the same day. And even though you can see that it's been 63 days already, 62 days already since since he was kid. And it's so much time. I mean, it's feel like in turn of the way you feel when you think about it. Gal, it's the first day of Hanukkah lighting the first candle tonight. We all of us here really do hope that your brother will be able to light one of at least one of those candles with you back here at home and that light will prevail. Gal, Gal Gilboa de la. Thank you so very much for speaking with us. We're sending a lot of strength from here in the studio. Thank you. All right, taking a deep breath now and shifting the focus overseas because over the course of the war, Israelis kept a nervous eye on trends in US politics and with a democratic president in the White House, a particular eye on how democracia, the war and Israel, senior diplomatic correspondent, Owen Altman, updates us on the latest polling from across the ocean. It's a healthy obsession, the tendency in Israel and among American Jews to take a microscope to American polling on Israel. And so a new poll is getting some attention since it shows US President Joe Biden winning over more Democrats to his policies on the war in Gaza. I've encouraged the Prime Minister to to focus on trying to reduce the number of casualties while he is attempting to eliminate Hamas. A month ago, polling from the AP in Nork showed a 50% approval rating among Democrats for Biden's stance on the war. That number has now ticked up to 59%. The question is why? One answer, polling was done just after the week long pause in the war. With memories of freed hostages fresh and the fighting itself only starting to return. Another answer that the Biden administration's policies themselves drove the change. The growing emphasis on protecting Gazan civilians and in moving humanitarian aid. We're still talking about trying to find a way forward on hostages. We're talking about sustaining and expanding the humanitarian assistance making it into Gaza. In the big picture of US politics, the movement in these polls does not matter much. Election day is almost a year away and the campaign will be fought on other issues. For Israel, the impact is a bit bigger. Israel standing among US Democrats has become an issue of huge strategic importance. With the war, those voters are now paying attention and forming opinions on Israel for the long term. So any shard of information will get looked at. Again, it's a healthy obsession. Heading now to New York. I 24 News, a senior US Correspondent Mike Wagenheim joining us. Mike, thank you very much for your time tonight. Well, let's begin with this. The DOJ announcing it is now investigating the killings and kidnappings of Americans during during and after the October 7th onslaught. What does that mean? This investigation. Well, it's very, very preliminary at this point, obviously, and the US will be working hand in hand with Israel on this investigation here. Some 30 years ago, US Congress passed a law allowing for the United States to investigate and prosecute war crimes against American citizens overseas. And it's just now, after 30 years, being utilized for the first time, the US announcing an indictment against four Russian soldiers for the torture of an American in the war against Ukraine. So now, possibly, it'll be utilized the second time, but this very much in its infancy here. But the DOJ, together with the FBI, which operates under the auspices of the Department of Justice involved in the Israel Hamas conflict in a number of ways, nominally, looking at potential threats entering the United States. The US has sounded the alarm about the potential threats there within the US, possibly Hamas operatives, iranian operatives, passing over the southern border. So this takes on a new dimension here with this investigation of potential war crimes on October 7th itself. And Micah, this past hour, we keep on speculating what does it mean, this international clock. Exactly the Christmas clock, if you will, or simply put, how much time does Israel have to conclude its operations in the Gaza Strip. This hour, the deputy national security advisor is saying we did not provide it Israel with any time limit. And this is from Israeli standpoint, very good news. Yeah, and you know, you and I were on a couple of hours ago and I told you, I didn't feel there was a clock that was really hanging over and that proves to be so here, at least according to the National Security Council representative. We've been talking about this for a while now that there have been reports and Anthony Blinken had made it clear, apparently, to Israeli officials during visits to Israel that, in fact, there would be some type of a clock deadline in which the United States would force Israel to wrap up operations. You know, again, if they're asking for Israel to be more targeted to make sure the civilian population in Gaza is not unnecessarily hit, you can't do that and say, hey, you've got to eliminate Hamas with a ticking clock going in a week or it just doesn't make any sense. You've got to pick one or the other or at least have some sort of balance here. And I think the United States is coming to that realization within the Biden administration that you can't eliminate Hamas and also do it with a clock over your head here. There's just no purpose behind that air go. The statement we heard about an hour ago. Yeah. And meanwhile, Mike, a quick trip to Capitol Hills, Senate Republicans blocking a further debate on a $100 billion plus proposal to aid of not just Israel, but Ukraine and Taiwan. What's next on that? Tough going here. You know, it's tough to get agreement on anything when you're talking about the Senate or Congress as a whole. These days, they don't go back into negotiations here, but Democrats are upset. They said, you know, we should never really have started these negotiations to begin with, meaning they should not have offered up a potential hardened border security issues in exchange for Ukraine aid or Israel aid. Ukraine or Israel aid, though they have their detractors within the halls of Congress, are generally a bipartisan issue. So Democrats say, you know what, we've kind of put ourselves in a corner here and even offering this up as a potential concession. Nevertheless, it looks like they'll move forward with talks here, but it's hard going now. And this has really become not in Israel or Ukraine issue specifically, but more of a border security issue, foreign policy in exchange for domestic policy. It really isn't done very often in Congress. This might be one of those rare occasions where those two issues are tied together legislatively. I-24 News, senior U.S. correspondent Mike Wagenheim. Thank you very, very much for this. Are you a Jew? Sorry, not sorry. You cannot use this bathroom. This is not Berlin, 1938. This is Oakland, California, 2023. No, I don't. I'm a patrimonio here, and I hate to go to the restroom. No, I'm not going to leave. I'm finally asking the door. No, I want to go into the restroom. You can use our restroom. We have a restorative door. No, I want to use the restroom. No, I'm not. We're saying no. We would rather not be excluded than other people in the lounge. I want to go into the restroom. And we're standing here going to the restroom. You're not going to let me into the restroom? No, no puedo usar el otro. No, quiero usar este. No tienes que usar el otro. No tienes que usar el otro. Si te acuerdas con esto, si te acuerdas de esto, te darás una foto. Oh, en realidad, sí. ¿Por qué no tienes que verlo? ¿Por qué no te acuerdas de esto? Porque es lo que es lo que es lo que es lo que es. Sí. ¿Qué es la historia del 2º de 1948, señora? Free Palestine. Free Palestine. It's always. It's always, yeah, great. We love it. Thank you very much. And we're heading now to New York, where we're being joined by the one, the only David Christopher Kaufman jumped a fellow at the Tel Aviv Institute. David, thank you very, very much for joining us. Thank you. I genuinely do not know what to ask. Again, it is Oakland, California, a so-called liberal bastion. If we were to see this video in black and white, it is again Berlin before the war. Yeah, I mean, number one, Happy Hanukkah to everybody and thank you for having me. I'm a native Northern California and have been spending much my childhood in Oakland, California and then have kept a close eye on Oakland, California over the last few years. And like its sister city, San Francisco, where I was raised, it's fallen into a state of kind of urban, cultural, and political disrepair. The city's broken like much of Northern California. And this is just an example of what that breakdown in civic society has allowed to happen. This horrible instance of this woman not being allowed to use the bathroom, which is not only a crime, but perhaps could be prosecuted as a hate crime. This took place yesterday, but just a week ago or so, Oakland, California had a city council meeting where they were voting to condemn Israel for its incursion into Gaza, voting to a call for a ceasefire, and speaker after speaker like in this case, wearing masks, speaker after speaker got up and blasted Israel, called it a genocidal state, declared from the river to the sea in question whether even Hamas had even attacked Israel, whether these people had, whether 1200 Israelis had died, whether there had been mass rape, whether babies had been burned. So this is happening in a city where anti-Semitism and anti-Israel sentiments and doubt for October 7th is coming from the top. And just to note, David, the owner of Farlead's café was quick, of course, to pose un apogetic note, we are not anti-Semites, unfortunate incident and I wish I was inventing this, no parody would go so far perhaps and I'm quoting now, we're committed to ongoing staff training for a safe and welcoming environment. Yes, it's the lack of proper staff training and hospitality that's the issue here which again, it comes on the heels of this appalling congressional hearing we've seen earlier this week with university chiefs who essentially said calling for the killing of juices A-OK. Now in both cases, David if it's not clear perhaps let's just try to imagine the scope and scale of the up war and rightfully so if the calls were to wipe out LGBTQ or protest war held to restore slavery or a person with a hijab not allowed to use a bathroom. Bravo, you've totally hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the same type of behavior sentiment and lack of accountability and almost permission that we saw this past week on Capitol Hill by the presidents of major academic institutions and Ivy League schools that basically cannot bring themselves to say that we don't support calling for the genocide of Jews, we don't support calling for Israel's destruction. And this sort of open tolerance and lack of consequence for anti-Semitism and anti-Israel language is really what is trickling down into these both the hearings we heard on Capitol Hill as well as these isolated examples and it's isolated example after isolated example happening within a larger context of a tolerance for anti-Semitism from the top down. And what's interesting about Oakland in particular, why it's worth noting is that Oakland is a very much a city that's lawless, they don't have a police chief, they have one of the highest crime rates in California right now. Most of this is because Oakland saw a new leadership come in that was funded by far left ultra progressive organizations such as those supported by George Soros and these are the exact same far left radical progressive organizations that are supporting anti-Israel anti-Semitic hatred towards these campaigns right now. So it's the same funder pool it's the same philosophy, it's going from the schools to the academy to city hall and the result of this is sort of a lawlessness on the street that has found its perfect storm anti-Semitism. By the way, just to note, it's only yesterday public school teachers we're talking young kids, not universities, public school teachers they are in Oakland presented this pro-Palestinian lessons as part of this unauthorized teaching and we're talking actual BDS material in the curriculum. But we will save it for another day because I do want to get your take on this David, before we have to bid for well we had a lively debate here behind the scenes in the studios on whether shaming those anti-Semites online has some sort of a boomerang effect as in if they lose their jobs over this horrific incident by the way they were not fired as of yet. They're not going to say oh man I must have done something really wrong they're going to load on more hate on the other hand serving the cause or not but before they're going to say what they're here be a jobless anti-Semite I would lean toward actually I'm also into the jobless anti-semites. There needs to be an aggressive demonstration of consequence for these behaviors last week for instance you had that example of a teacher here in New York who was hiding in her own classroom because a mob of students found out that she was Zionist or Jewish el clássico, pero lo que sucede a estos niños, oye, ¿no es que se supone que viaja a Scott Free? Y si están haciendo esto a los estudiantes de 14, 15, o 16, ¿qué va a suceder a ellos cuando están 24, 25, 26, si no, y no tendrán que ser contra los juzgos en ese momento, puede ser contra nadie, pero porque han salido con ellos como niños en una escuela en Queens, probablemente pueden hacer esto por toda la vida. Así que no tengo problema en las personas que me asustan, y creo que esto debería ser consecuencia, es consecuencia desde el top de abajo, pero lo importante es que la consecuencia de lo que está perdido aquí debe venir desde el top. Nos veíamos con una falta de acountabilidad y una falta de liderazgo en la capital del Hilo con los presidentes de la universidad, y ahora hemos visto esto en Oakland, y los resultados son los juzgos que están detrás de la puerta de la puerta, que están terrifuos para usar las más básicas servicios públicas, y eso es intolerable. Bueno, en este momento en el momento de la incertidumbre y la inclaridad, las reglas, si estoy pensando un poco como David, el profesor Fercoffman, y yo sé que estoy haciendo algo correcto. Muchas gracias, David, para esta feliz Hanukah, como mucho posible, por supuesto. Back here in the studio with Professor Uzi Rabi. Thank you very much, Professor Rabi, for powering through with us. I want us to shift our focus elsewhere. Quite a- But just one word. Please, please. This is really intolerable, but listen, I mean, this Gaza war has so many repercussions locally, regionally and globally. And now what we see is kind of a byproduct of that, if I may say so, it's what Jewishness is when it comes to Jewish communities all over the world. And I think that one of the main things that must be reconsidered and reorientated by both Israel and Jewish diaspora is their actually interaction and close relationships. We have to just reorganize things here because this is not kind of a wave. This looks like a tsunami. I'm basically this cocktail of ignorance, anti-Semitism, hypocrisy, is becoming very dangerous because in the public space, actually Jews are going to suffer as is the case in other actually fields of life. So basically this Gaza thing is not only kind of a thing between Israel and Hamas. It has to do with the future of the Middle East. It has to do with so many things. And ironically enough, this war began at the border, right? Literally at the border. Literally at the border. And yet it exceeds all geographical borders. Unbelievable, I mean, it's so, so interesting what you just said. I mean, it was so local. Yeah, literally a border. Yeah, and look, look, actually it went as far as actually the globe, the region. And you know, once you are using the map of the Middle East and the map of the globe, you know, you can definitely foster two different directions of two axes. I mean, I mean, two sorts of axes. The first of which is Gaza, Hezbollah, Iran, Russia. And to that point, exactly because we don't have much time. I do want to get your take on that, Professor Gabi, because Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, will went to or in the Gulf, the UAE, Saudi Arabia. And back in Moscow meeting, Iranian president, crazy solid scheduling. No, I mean, you know, this is it. I think that what made the United States to come back to its senses is not only this analogy between Hamas and ISIS, which was very, very harmful and very, very threatening in the eyes of the free world. It was also actually kind of a program that must be, you know, bring America back, partially at least to the Middle East. And once we look at that, looking at this axis of Iran, China and Russia, albeit there are many, many differences within it. But basically this is kind of a block that should be reckoned with. It's not for nothing, by the way, connecting it to our earlier conversation with Mike Wagenheim on the American aid package, that it's an aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. You've just mentioned China, Russia, Iran. Exactly, exactly. And this is why I think that, you know, in the end of the day, we might, we might, have kind of a situation which would remind us, I guess, you know, kind of a better move than the bad guys and good guys. Something actually that we had seen after 9-11 or in the aftermath of Second World War. Basically it has to do with the Middle East and the globe. And I do hope that this normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia that was thought of before October 7th is going actually to be revived because this is part and parcel of actually a new Middle East, somebody you could think of after the demise of Hamas. A new Middle East and the new world in that sense because it's not a Saudi Arabia and Israel, it's India, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Europe, US. And that takes us to what the Houthis are doing just now, trying to disrupt global trade, trying to disrupt exactly that. If you take the sense of India, Saudi Arabia, Israel, you would find that this is kind of a breach in the midst of what the Chinese would say Belt and Road Initiative, of course. So this is something that's... Just sometimes things are black and white, you know, the world is so complicated, being a human is complicated, but sometimes, Professor, who is your hobby? We agree with you. Sometimes things are simple. All right, you might be staying a bit longer with us because we're taking a very quick break. But when we get back, we take you live again to the field, to the southern border of Israel for the latest under war there. And also continue to unpack what is happening, what will be happening. And of course, we will not dare to end this program without some optimism on this festival of light that began today here. So a very quick break and we'll be back with all the latest. Israel is at war, make an investment in Israel bonds. It is the most powerful and direct way to stand with Israel. Visit israelbonds.com and invest now. Made for me, a unique concept in Israel. Custom made men's fashion to your measurements. Made for me, designer of all your events. Schedule your appointment at www.madeforme.co.il. Made for me, official dresser of I24 News. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. For us staying with us, this special broadcast here on I24 News, two months since October 7th, two months of war here in Israel. And still with us here in studio, Professor Uzir Ghabi, director of the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle East Studies, the Tel Aviv University, Professor Uzir Ghabi. Thank you very much for staying with us. I want us to take a look now as what's happening in the Palestinian side, not just inside the Gaza Strip when it comes to this mounting anger that is directed for the first time if many years, if at all towards Hamas. There are reports of some, you know, harsh or harshening rhetoric between Fatah officials and Hamas officials. Now, the notion is that the Palestinian Authority is a crucial part of any day after agreement and, yes, as much as it is difficult to say it out loud, there is a notion that some Hamas officials will be integrated into the political Palestinian landscape. Well, Israel should actually prevent such eventuality because there are so many things that Israel actually has taken an oath to do, which is not something which is just kind of a whim. This is basically a must. We have to do that. Once again, we have to send the right message in the Middle East. Once and for all, let's make sure that the stuff that must be delivered to the neighborhood, so to speak, in kind of a way that would be very, very clear. This is high time for Israel to do that. It's for its own future. So basically, when you come up with kind of a rumor or something, kind of a thinking, by which to make that kind of a blend, this, in my opinion, actually must be nipped in the butt. And yet, Professor Rabi, perhaps playing devil's advocate here for a second, if we're looking at the level of control, or rather, lack thereof when it comes to the Palestinian Authority over the West Bank, not just in terms of practical control, but in terms of popular support, can a future Palestinian leadership has any legitimacy from the people without representation of the ones they like? Well, listen, I mean, it's the right point because this is so weak a leadership. And when the Americans are coming up with their October 6th thinking, which actually to just have the Gaza, part and parcel of the Palestinian Authority, Abu Mazen or his successor are going to run the whole thing. Listen, I mean, there must be kind of dramatic change in the Palestinian Authority in order to start thinking about that. I would deal with the educational system. I would deal with so many things. I myself think that Gaza should be a separated item by which to come up with out of the box solution where we have some Arab states who are very thrilled to see, actually, the Middle East gets rid of Hamas. This is kind of a blessed move. If that would happen, I'm pretty sure that many Arab states are going to speak differently and that might be the way for kind of a coalition, I would say, European American and Arab states. Egypt on the one hand, reach Arab states in order to bring Gaza into kind of a different place or spot, a different thinking and maybe kind of a different future. Yes, the day after is not so far away, but still the image of which seems far-fetched. Anyway, the day after is not kind of a fixed idea. Right, right, it's not a moment. There must be a transitional phase, so it would take time, but this is actually basically the idea. Let's jump back to Israel's South, I-24 News, a senior defense correspondent, Jonathan Regev, sending a bye there. Jonathan, let's wrap up this week. We are entering this holiday weekend, albeit no holiday spirit, that's for certain. How can we summarize this week in terms of the fighting underground? It was, I think, two days ago when chief of staff, Heretia Levi, said that whoever thinks that Israel no podrá volver a combatar, ha demostrado que es completamente malo. Es una semana pasada, o sea, no, es una semana pasada cuando hablamos de los partidos de hostes y de hostes que regresan, pero, como de la mañana fría, prácticamente una semana pasada, el combate resumió y estamos viendo ahora cómo la idea fue muy rápido de volver a combatar a nivel completo en Jabalia, en Sagiaia, en el norte de West Bank, en Chanyunas, en el sur del West Bank, en el sur del Gaza Strip, o sea, con las fuerzas de la tierra todo sobre el lugar. Así que, sí, la primera semana de la segunda fase viene hasta el final. Israel cree que con más presión, con más presión militar, eventualmente podría llevar a Hamas primero, posiblemente, a otro Hossaj deal y luego, después, a su eliminación. A 24 News, la defensa del señor corresponde a Jonathan Regev. Gracias, muy, muy mucho por esto. Ahora, dos meses después de la guerra, las escuelas de Hamas de capturación persisten, día a día, enviando a los desafíos inimaginables que se enfrentan a Jengol, Svinalmogner, tres niños, Agam, Gal y Tal, que recibió frío en noviembre, 26, es parte de este incendio temprano. Y su familia, ahora compartiendo un anuncio caliente que interviene la desgracia de capturación con la desgracia de los desafíos en la guerra de Hamas en octubre 7. ¡Muchas gracias! Jengol y los niños están atrás, los niños grandes. ¡Wow! ¡Wow, fue difícil! Todo se mezcló con todo. La tristeza y la joven, regresaron desde un lugar negro. No regresaron a casa, no regresaron a padre, no regresaron a hermana, pero regresaron vivo. Tienes, después de Jengol y Svinalmogner, y sus tres niños, Agam, 17, Tal, 11 y Gal, 9, fueron realizados de la capturación de Hamas. Están intentando copiar con la vida después de la desgracia en Gaza. Primero, están muy afueros de cada movimiento, de cada movimiento que ocurre en ellos. De cada movimiento que se escucharon, fueron a la desgracia, incluso se ríe que uno de ellos once murió con la desgracia de arriba y abajo. Estuve a dormir junto a ellos por las últimas noches. La familia se asombró ahora mismo. Esta es la primera vez que se han pedido a dormir conmigo, probablemente porque son muy pequeños, ¿verdad? Sí. Aquí había un amigo con dos pequeños niños, y ellos jugaron con ellos aquí. Ellos han ido a la desgracia de arriba y abajo. Y aquí, se asombró a la desgracia de arriba y abajo. Y ellos han construido un tonel para ellos, para los niños. Un minuto antes, la maestra de Gal estaba aquí y ella le preguntó, ¿estás en el tonel? Entonces, él le dijo, sí. Él le dijo, es como una casa de árabe, y él lo hizo con eso. ¿Y puedes estar? ¿Tienes que caer? No, no, no lo hice. Yo lo estuve. Están hablando de las bombas de la armada, que se asombró a los niños terriblemente. Los niños menos, pero se han terminado. Ten, hayal, se han terminado completamente. Las bombas? Sí, se han destruido. ¿Cómo fueron tratadas? Se han quedado como barganos. En el final, se volvieron, y están bien y todo está bien. En el mañana de la abducción de Kfar Azar, Ten, su esposa, Nadav, y sus cuatro niños han entrado en la rueda. Ten dijo que los terrestres se senten en casa en el Kibbutz. Todo fue completamente quieto. El vehículo se arrojó, murió, cruzó la rueda, abrimos el tronco, abrimos los cuerpos que se vio, los terrestres continuan a caer. A Gam, le dijo a los niños, vean adelante, solo no de vuelta. Seven minutos, y están dentro de Garza. Cuando la armada llegó en el mañana, descubrieron que Nadav, el padre, y Yam, la hija de él, habían sido murderada. Una de las cosas que nos preocuparon durante los 51 días que fueron perdidos, es si ellos incluso sabían que no hay más padre y hija del delto. Ellos sabían que Nadav era malo, y, como para Yam, Yam se vio que no estaba vivo. El camino que finalmente se encontró en Garza, que Nadav y Yam estaban murderados, es inimaginable. De tiempo a tiempo, ellos les dejaron escuchar a un transistor para un período limitado. Entonces, escucharon que Giora diga que Yam y Nadav no fueron vivos más. Cada mañana, venía aquí a las fotos en el suelo, que nos dieron a Sitchiva, y me echaron mis vidas en frente a Nadav y Yam. Se escucharon en Garza, el padre. En Garza, sí. Sí. En el último día en captividad, cuando estaban finalmente en su camino de Garza a Israel, fueron por algunas horas muy difíciles. Yam dijo que ella estaba más afuera con la cruz roja que en la captividad, porque la cruz roja es como... No hay armas, no hay nada, ellos viajan en un carro, porque de la lluvia alrededor de ellos, y nadie estaba mirando sobre ellos. Cuando Ken llegó al hospital, ella dijo, ¿cuánto tiempo te llevaron? También tuvieron una fase en la que pensaron que estaban sacrificadas para la guerra. Ken, Agam, Tal y Gal, se convirtieron en una casa, y descubrieron que no tenían una casa, y que la asesina de Kibbutz Kfar-Aza estuvo casi completamente destruida. Las injusticias y el dolor estarán con nosotros durante mucho tiempo que hay un sol en nosotros, y no serán olvidados. Si sabemos cómo dirigirnos a las vidas entre embresar y ayudarnos, y entre encontrar el momento para nosotros a procesar nuestra cruz roja, sí, entonces tendremos, ¡Ay, man! Pero primero, esto. ¡Allos los abductees! ¡Until el último! Es un buen seguimiento de esto y eso, pero todos ellos, dicen a las políticas, y aún así, todos se han engañado en las políticas, los israelíos políticos, se están enviando el grano para una política reshuffle, o, más, un estilistico. Hoy, fue un deporte político que, tal vez, se ha hecho tan claro que la hora está regresando hacia el día de la elección aquí en Israel, y queremos que la convierta en Sudia Rybop, y yo soy el director del proyecto de la two-state coalition de la iniciativa indígena, y Dasha Hayson, internacional spokesperson para el Gushetsion Regional Council. Muchas gracias, señoras, por ayudarnos, nos apreciamos. Bueno, vamos a comenzar con el último, Yareev Merav Michaili, líder laboral hasta esta mañana, resignado, según a todos los puestos no pasaron, el estilistico electoral, fue en los estados, a un extendimiento, y aún así, parece ser algo de un tránsito a la rica, si una vez. Es un tránsito a la rica, pero no estoy tan seguro que la Partida Laboral será la principal plataforma para esta rica. Sabemos de algunos otros actores que gustaría tener su propia partida, y eventualmente, habrá una partida unida, y la pregunta será quién va a llevarla. Así que no estoy tan seguro que la rica por la cabeza de la Partida Laboral será la gran rica de la oposición, o incluso la rica izquierda de la oposición, en Israel. Pero aún así, es un evento importante, políticamente, porque Merav Michaili fue un símbolo de un error que la rica izquierda no se unió antes de la elección, y eventualmente, le daba el resultado de la elección a la rica, aunque no se ha convertido en una línea de la rica, se ha convertido en una mayor mayoría porque de la rica izquierda. Por eso creo que es un buen signo, y espero que también comience un proceso de elección, una atmósfera, todo alrededor del sistema, algo que Netanyar tal vez tendrá dificultad de parar y de prevenir. Bueno, antes de eso, podríamos hablar un poco más de qué y cómo va a ser la revivilladora que se va a ver, porque obviamente, en el estado de la elección, no hay mucho lefto de la israelía, si nada, Josh Hayston, en el otro lado de la divina, el principal foco es, tal vez, lo que está pasando en la partida liquidaria, un budget controversial, un ruto a segundo y tercer readings, y hay fríos que los partidos liquidarios votarán contra ello. Bueno, primero, me gusta decir, creo que, sabes, tu guest en el estudio, Yareev, creo que debería llevarse a la partida laboral, y yo podría disagreear con 90 más cosas que dice, pero, Yareev, ahora es tu tiempo, mi amor, ahora es tu tiempo a empezar y revivar tu partida. Si tienes los métodos de la partida laboral que van a apoyar a mí, vamos a hablar de eso. Vamos a hablar de eso después de la entrevista, pero no va a suceder. No esta vez. Vamos a hablar más tarde, pero en términos de la partida laboral y lo que sea, de nuevo, el budget de Estado, a este punto, de lo que entiendo, puede ser rectificado, puede haber cambios, sé que algunos de los partidos liquidarios están obsesos por el arrangamiento de la partida laboral y el primer bill, el primer recorrido del bill pasado, y sé que cerca de Barcaut y otros, pero pueden hacer cambios y venir a compromisar. Escuchemos aquí, esta es toda la política ahora mismo, y el budget de Estado debe ser pasado y estamos en el medio de la guerra. No tengo duda que será pasado. Así que pueden hacer algunas revisiones, pueden hacer cambios, y creo que al final del día, incluso los partidos liquidarios que están oponidos a esta junta, tengo un fuerte sentimiento, van a ir y noten en el segundo y tercer recorrido cuando el reto viene a despegar. Estamos hablando de las políticas, pero tenemos que ser claros. Políticos son los que ganan esta guerra. Políticos son los que quieren hacer la decisión de whether to continue fighting or to stop in order to release the hostages. Politicians are making the decision who will get money in this very difficult year ahead. So it's about politics. We cannot just ignore politics. It's not just a game of power. It's also our life. And what we are seeing from this coalition and from this budget is that this coalition is obligated to survive. It's not obligated to the Israeli society in such a crucial time. And this is what we see from the budget. The budget is going to serve the political allies of Netanyahu in order for him to survive as prime minister and not to have an early election. This is unfair. This is not the right thing to do for the Israeli public. This is not the right thing to do for Israel in the middle of the war to have such a budget that neglect the people that needs the support and the funding and giving the money to the orthodox religious, to the settlers, to the people. Y la política de Netanyahu depende de ellos. Y los orthodoxos y los religiosanismos todos merecen sus truncaciones de compartir. Y al final, Mr. Hayson, lo que estamos diciendo es hablar de esta preconcepción que se ha tomado este estado de mi y este estado de mi cuando viene al budget. Parece que es un budget que es relevante al 6 de octubre. Bueno, déjame decir que creo que es extremadamente importante. Me mencioné el funding. Funding for the Jewish communities of Judea and Samaria. I think that's integral right now and we saw what happened on October 7th and the security needs are are great of the entire state of Israel. And of course, Judea and Samaria goth forbid something should happen again and the way to prevent that is to fund the communities of Judea and Samaria, which are overlooking Tel Aviv and are low overlooking Ben Gurion Airport where 75% of the population lives from Gadara to Gadara. So it's extremely important. I agree 100% with Minister Smotrich that we need funding in Judea and Samaria. You know, you can go up to places like Alfea Manashe and see the planes landing at Ben Gurion Airport. And then you realize how important it is that those communities have security. We are overlooking and protecting Tel Aviv from up above and that's why it is essential that our communities are protected. So as far as that goes I 100% agree with Minister Smotrich that our communities certainly need that funding for the well-being and the welfare of the entire state of Israel. No, but it's not just for security. It's for much more than that. Security is there. We got the army there. We can argue about whether the settlements are giving security or we have to pay for the security and they are just taking the needs of the Israeli army like we saw in October 7. But let's be honest, we are not talking about now a security budget. So we are talking about civilian issues. We are talking about religious issues. We are talking about political money that is getting into political ministers. It's not about saving the life of the settlers or not even the saving of the life of people in Tel Aviv. And you need to look at the picture and you need to look what's going on in the south, next to Gaza. These communities are devastated. The Kibbutzim are totally destroyed. They need the support. They need the assistance. Not the settlers that every year they are getting more than the average Israeli and now even during the war when you have people in need the settlers are not saying, okay, we are ready to get only what we deserve. We want to get more. And this is what we are seeing and I think that the public is looking and the settler leadership including Smotrich will pay the price according to the polls. He's not going, he's not overcome the threshold and he has zero mandate according to the latest poll not by a mistake, I think. I would just say to that that nobody in Judea and Samaria that I know of is overlooking the needs of those in the north and of course we're not overlooking the needs of those in the south who lost so much, who lost everything. But as I said before at the same time we have to remember that we cannot let another October 7th happen and the best way to do that is to ensure that the coastal plain is protected and the way to do that is to protect from above, to protect the communities of Judea and Samaria both with the military army presence and with the civilian presence. Look what happened, we left Gaza, pulled every last citizen and every last soldier out in 2005 and look where we are today. Look what happened on the border communities. So don't want to make that mistake again. Look what happened when you are in charge, your government, your leaders, you are the only one, it's a full right wing government. This is not in your shift, this is in your decades because it's not my policy that was failing, it's your policy. My policy has not been even tried. We are trying your policy not to solve the conflict, not the Palestinians to think that we can lock Gaza to put it under siege for more than a decade and to believe that things will be better. This is the conception that totally collapsed and we need to look about other solution to speak with the PA, to speak with the Palestinian moderate side, with the moderate Arab countries, with the United States and eventually to change the policy and to have an agreement with them not to continue the conflict like you are suggesting. I don't see the moderates that you speak of on over 75% of the PA Arabs said that they supported what happened on October 7th, they support Hamas and they support the terrorism. So I don't see any moderates here. We've tried that before. We remember the Oslo process way back in the 90s. We tried negotiating with the PA, see where that led to the pullout from Gaza, that led to the situation we are today. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I think we should go down that path once again. I doubt that we will be able to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict at the moment. So let's do try, perhaps, to solve some political questions, gentlemen. Y esto es, quizás, un mezclado de lo que hemos hablado aquí. Hay now calls for religious Zionist youth groups to help revive the Gaza border communities alongside those Kibbutzim who were hard hit, of course, during the massacre. John Shaysen, ¿qué haces? Bueno, yo diría que ahora, infortunadamente, como resultado del 7 de octubre, yo creo que hay algo bueno que salió de eso, infortunadamente, como resultado de eso, pero estamos unidos ahora más que nunca, así que si hablamos de los grupos religiosos o grupos secundarios, estamos viendo que la gente de Israel viene juntos, como nunca antes, y, tal vez, como nunca antes en la historia de las personas jewes. Así que no creo que se importa si alguien está usando un Kibbutz o no está usando un Kibbutz, si alguien quiere ir abajo y ayudar a la residencia del sur, o si son religiosos secundarios. No, por supuesto, por supuesto, yo lo recuerdo a algo más organizado, por supuesto. De verdad, es una iniciativa muy cenica, que está intentando dar la adivinidad de esta situación terrible y, en realidad, llevarse sobre estas comunidades. Necesitamos hablar de los valores, y los valores de estas comunidades que el movimiento de los Kibbutz y las personas que están más apoyadas de la idea de los derechos humanos y incluso la paz, es contradicción a los valores religiosos que han sido infectados por los zionistas nacionales. Por eso, para dar la adivinidad de su miseria y intentar llevarse sobre sus comunidades y para establecer una nueva comunidad con diferentes valores, esto es un anuncio. Es más duro que un anuncio, y espero que el right-wing se entende que no se ha hecho. Es absolutamente ridículo, es como decir a los Kibbutz que no deberían ir a Tel Aviv y ofre a las personas a ponerse en el filo. Esto no es un problema de intentar llevarse a la adivinidad o despegarse de las mentiras. Estos son los individuos holandeses que están en el medio de la guerra, actualmente, poniendo a los mismos en un camino de la paz, queriendo ir hacia el sur, under el fuego de la ropa y mostrar solidaridad con sus hermanos. Es bien, si están viniendo por una vez para ayudar, es bien, pero si quieren rebuildar las comunidades y crear un otro. No, no estamos hablando de un programa de voluntad. Y, señoras, no hay nadie prosilitizando aquí. No hay nadie prosilitizando. La gente quiere ayudar. En muchas formas, hemos visto a los soldados ayudando a las residencias. Hemos visto todo todo el país, como nunca antes. El espíritu de voluntad es a través de la mesa, a través de los sectores. Esto es, por cierto, no hay duda de eso. La discusión era sobre algo más organizado o del gobierno, incluso. Y, señoras... No hay motos altarios. No hay motos altarios. Es lo que digo. No, no, no. Fue bien. Justo quería aclarar, a mi lado. Y, señoras, no tenemos mucho tiempo, pero la línea de abajo parece ser clara. El sentido de la unidad que se ha subido a través del país no puede ser traducido en el mismo sentido de la unidad político. Josh. Sí, tal vez no politicamente. Pero, de nuevo, yo justo llegué a Yareva. Y yo sinceramente dije que deberías correr para el gobierno. Así que, y esa es la sinceridad, incluso aunque yo desiguié con ellos. Creo que la unidad va más allá de la política. Por supuesto, serán desigueros con el budget. Es todavía un país, todavía tienen diferentes ideologías, diferentes posiciones, el centro izquierdo. Es por eso que tienes tantas partes en este país. La gente tiene diferentes opiniones. Pero ahora mismo, como empezaste a decir, tenemos que pasar el budget de Estado, pero deberíamos poner esas diferencias al lado. Y deberíamos enfocarnos en la brotherhood. Y Yareva es mi hermano, incluso aunque me desiguié con él. 90% de todo, pero esta es donde estamos. Vamos a mostrar la luz a la resta de la mundo. Pero creo que después de una catástrofe, es muy claro para cualquier israelí que tenemos que ir por una elección después de la guerra. Y si el ministro de Estado va a decir a la salida, entiendo que tenemos que verdaderamente ganar la confianza de la publica. Y nosotros vamos a ir por una elección abierta, verás la unidad continuo. Pero este ministro de Estado dice, no, voy a continuar a ser el ministro de Estado, y cómo voy a hacerla, aunque sé que la mayoría de los israelíos no quieren que suceda. Voy a darles mi partner el dinero del budget y comprar el deporte. Esto no es unirse a Israel. Josh, Haisten, Yareva e Imer y el Espíritu.