 There are a lot of modern artists are bought in some ways. Yes. Can you just explain what you mean by that? Well, I think if you're if you're part of a machine of any kind You have to watch what you say It's absolutely be number one in America three other times with Drake Taylor Swift and currently with Beyonce Just want to start by thanking you for your incredible bravery Good morning. What an absolute absolute honor I just want to say here and now Not just to have two music icons But also on behalf of me and my family. I just want to start by thanking you for your incredible bravery Over the last 24 months. I know how hard it gets As you know, I was a founding member of the Global Veterans Alliance to stand up for what we say stand up for the kids I know how much you get hammered by the by the mainstream and and it takes a toll guys It really really does you know, it's it's it's it's horrible to have things said about you that are untrue and pretty much everything I've seen And so I just I really wanted to thank you. I thought we'll keep the The last couple of years of shit. Let's call them shenanigans We'll take that to the latter part of podcast because You know, it's just an honor to have have you both on the show Thank you Thank you. And my God. I mean you really You've really smashed it out the park, haven't you? On occasion. Yeah. Yes. We have we have our moments We definitely have our moments The speaking out thing wasn't particularly Difficult for us because when it seemed obvious it just seemed like a natural thing to do And and also we had we had come up historically against such Negativity in the business generally of that we were kind of used to it actually. Yeah, we were when we did You're going back a bit when we done we released I'm too sexy. I'm too sexy wasn't signed It didn't have to have a record deal It was just promoted and the promotion company assigned to set up a little white lately just to to service it So it was it was number two in the UK and doing the rounds through Europe It wasn't really there wasn't actually record deal in place And the animosity from the record companies even when it was a hit was quite extraordinary The animosity from some areas of the media Because the record had been turned down by all the record labels And some record labels didn't just turn it down. They were visceral in their hate for the record and us Particularly people are island records who just could not spit enough poisonous and I don't want I don't know Maybe the guard had a bad morning. I don't know I used to have all the faxes, but I said I don't have any more And what happened was I think what's what's what's what's insult to injury is the track was was refused by everybody But that he wasn't just a hit. It's become it's become a bit of a An industry on its own and and it has its own mark and whether people like the record not it's kind of irrelevant now We we've It's part of it being number one in America on its own right It's subsequent. It's subsequently be number one in America three other times with Drake Taylor Swift and currently with Beyonce So the record has been given the seal of approval by and whether you like them or not It doesn't matter by some of the biggest selling artists in history. So it's some it's it's a funny old Enigma Created an image about us. Yes, it did. Yeah, I mean we sold it in a way that we we won't think we didn't actually think about it I mean took our shirts off and camped around like a couple of idiots and didn't really think honestly Which we had done before we done before but we didn't think about it and it's only you know It's that first to market thing. It's that first You do you do as you just described a typical night out in in the Royal Marines So I think the in fact we were asked up until a few years ago. We were still being asked whether we wrote the stuff Yeah, and I think because of sexy as a kind of track in a way and deeply did as well The assumption was we were probably a bit thick and Probably got just got lucky. Yeah, it was I think there's an element of that in the whole thing And and strangely I think it was a dozen of them once said that you'll never get an Oscar for a comic role And and I think that applies to music if you make music that cheers people up you will never get thanked for it I mean when we were in the Brits in 92 We were backstage at the Brits. We knew would be we knew we were being not getting a friend of thing We knew that because we weren't part of the British photographic industry weren't part of that cartel And we were number one in the UK number one in about 40 countries and number one in America And they still refused to give us an award and and it was and at that point we knew we just not part of this game Also the industry The industry is incredibly conservative than the entertainment industry in our experience is it's populated by artists who Seek constant validation and approval. These are not strong courageous people. They're generally quite weak And it's populated by a business that the focus is on the exploitation of that need So it's when people talk about that's got an interesting question for you Question for you One thing we think lacks in the music industry is these most people don't have courage. It's they they that you know people think oh So so is a real a real rebel because we're in a punk band. Well, you know smashing up hotel rooms wearing a ripped T-shirt and And a safety pin charging into the label and charging into a label is not it's not much and signing to a major record company It's not very punk at all And so I think punk is doing what is doing what you know more than what the Peshmo did which was they stuck with their original independent label And what Cossabian they've done that that's much more the punk attitude and Marillion People forget how how a crop ahead of the curve. They were with their with their fat with their fan base It's called that was equal There's expression when you deal directly with your fan base, which is what they did way before anyone else I'm surely in with your history. You must have been surrounded by people who did have courage, but you're not seeing now Was that not true? Oh my gosh Make your bang on the money I mean but I try not to make this long-winded but through through the global veterans allowance a lot of people have said to me You know when are the when are the military gonna turn on the You know what they perceive the government? I'd say it all goes a lot a lot a lot heart heart heart higher than and yeah I try to explain to people that that you know a lot of us that the military kind of recruiting Bowl as it were Is very often from quite damaged people I hope you know gonna hold my hand up as a prime example Highly traumatic childhood some Not not not everybody. We're not we're not generalizing here, but but but but this is why we when you see post Military you see the old PTSD thing comes up Yes, you do With respect to the last couple is you need to see it you need to see what's going on You need to see what's really going on and a lot of veterans find that really hard They're still like Queen in country and you know if the BBC tell me this it's That's you know they they sent us to Iraq they sent us to Afghanistan blah blah blah blah blah And and and this is why I Say to people no then they're not gonna come charging over the hill on there, you know in their watch shining armor It Really doesn't sort of work Am I making sense? What we both thought I think is that if this was a Conflict between and you could physically see it There were but you know those soldiers coming over the hill there were bullets flying the air in the air in the Boots marching over the bridge. I think people would be much more easily motivated to deal with it I think one of the big problems is that this is an attack that you can't really see This isn't it's all it's in the air is it's a kind of feeling and to get people to understand that that's just as real as Bullets flying through the area is very very difficult people who don't understand the demo thing Thought that it was about changing official policy It was never really about that for me It was it was showing solidarity with people who felt the same and I remember talking to one elderly lady Who was from Southampton and she found going to the demo is incredibly Invigorating because she suddenly realized that she wasn't the only one who thought like she thought Yes, but it's just as real And the you only have to do the tiniest bit of reading on the socials of different people like you know I don't do Berg or McCulloch or whoever it is to know that to get to grips with this is is It's a spirit it is actually a spiritual conflict this That's what it is and I think it's very difficult to motivate people in that regard I think people And also I think people who are you know you grow up with good friends you grow up hopefully with a reasonable family You know you have a good you have a job that you quite like whatever it is It's very hard to imagine that there are people out there who are this malicious you know it's very hard to get your head around that I mean I'm reading Kennedy's book on Fauci and The history of some of these people Gallo and Fauci engaged these people It's extraordinary and what they did in the third world in places like Campala and in Africa it is You know it takes your breath away actually Yes So and I think that's very difficult for a lot of people to grasp that these people are that bad Yes We have a neighbour who's well educated quite a successful actor And he knows something's going on but doesn't know what he's been he's had his jabs and everything so he can work And he cannot process the idea that a politician would do anything but Work in his benefit he can't think well why would they have self-interest I don't understand So what they do they don't care about you mean they just don't care you're just a useless You're a useless eater or useless idiot it depends which way you want to look at it And I think that journey for people I've been duped I've been lied to By people I used to trust i.e. the media government officials even big pharma to degree You know we've all trusted them we've all taken power set them all and I've been profited and I've never I've never taken power set them all and thought hmm what's in this I've got to get this tested you know I haven't I've gone to the pharmacy I've bought my power set them all and I've taken it Because it's trust I've trusted these people and now I don't trust them and I do think You know I have a tooth extraction recently and I speak to a dentist and I get you these antibiotics I went well could explain to me about these antibiotics I need to know any possible side effects I want to know what why do you're prescribing these are not others and he was great He was really good and really informative but I wouldn't have done that three years ago I was just so okay you recommend those final papers and I think there's this that the trust for a lot of people has gone And I think for the people where it hasn't gone the journey to where they're gonna have to And they will at one point gonna have to go to you know what we're getting screwed this is the biggest Global sigh up in history and and I think that's a huge step and I think particularly mainstream media is still Dragging their heels to get you know to come to the party you know you see them on you know you got these Dreadful clowns like you know James Whale and Nick Ferrari and these idiots you know just peddling the same old crap You know and and full of misinformation lies they lie about us all the time But apparently that's okay for them that they're part of this machine they can lie about how they ever they want But if you're if you've got an alternative point of view you're instantly a tinfoil hat I mean I know as you I'm sure you know those phrases are still going around you The brother I think we the one of the things I read the other day it's a quote I haven't forgotten And so it's a quote I can't remember who said it but the quote is man is wolf to man Yes, good quote and that's the piece that the viruses are not the problem Pandemic is not a problem germs not a problem we are the problem man is the problem and until we sort that out We're never going to get any relief now we need we need to understand the importance of thinking for ourselves We need to understand the importance of valuing your own body and treating it with the respect it deserves Because it's a machine that will have to last you hopefully three score years and ten at least But over the years probably since the Second World War and before and before we have got used to deferring to the government for everything Tell me what to eat tell me what to watch tell me where to stand when I get money at the ATM Tell me tell me everything I need to know to lead a nice safe comfortable life The more you defer the less independence you have and you get used to it and I think the somebody said the other day which I think is quite an interesting theory Which is this whole COVID thing happened far too far too soon the virus happened and this great reset agenda was pushed on the top of it The problem with that was it brought into its its its kind of arena a generation that wasn't easily pushed around An older generation that had had a longer memory if if this all happened 10 to 15 years time when it was all essentially millennials who'd got used to convenience Used to deferring used to used to that you know I hate to use words snowflake but that that weakness if you like and that dependence it would have been a much easier task I think what's made it difficult people like you have made it much more difficult because we're of a generation that remembers what it's like when you didn't have to ask where you can have a smoke Yeah when you when you didn't have to ask I mean when you see footsteps on the you know painted feet on the floor at an ATM can you please stand like I mean really And people actually do And people actually do Yeah and I was extraordinary I was a waitress I don't shop anymore but I was a waitress and the lady behind in front of me just ties me said could you stand back She pointed at the this is going back last year She pointed at the blue or please blue with the stickers with And I just looked at it She said okay nice it there You want to move forward it's not yourself out I'm not standing back There's a local shop and they had taken all their stickers off the floor last year Oh yes yeah They took all their stickers off the floor and it sort of looked like an antique kind of a home where shop And there was a lady standing she just walked into the shop just standing there not doing anything So one of the guys went up and said excuse me can I can I help you And she said well yes you've taken all the things I don't know which way do you want me to go You know that's out Yeah out actually So that I think it's a I mean I know we want to talk about the band all that stuff but I think this level of compliance has been really really interesting to me And I remember our father was in a in a in a merchant navy during the Second World War And he was convinced that it i.e. the Nazi the whole sort of smithing on your neighbor's thing couldn't happen here in the UK The UK was was was gifted in some special way that it was it was immune to this kind of sciopic thing What I realized I'm pleased as gone now because he would what it would shows is that it can happen here There's a little snitch on their neighbors people will shout at you in the street I hope they can breathe When you want to bring anything down super spotters I bet you voted for trap vinegar People will be generally pretty vile they will tell you don't come to my Christmas party because you're not vaccinated So I think it's revealed to me certainly this is not quite the country that I thought it was Yes and It's always hard fellas because could we broadcast on certain platforms that like literally you've got to be we got to be so careful What we say we have got other platforms by the way where we can just actually have a bloody the chat that our children bloody deserve right But there's a lot going on here you know with respect to the politicians and the country structure It You know if anyone thinks politicians are in control of all this all you've got to think is that there's a remote island in I don't know bloody Polynesia somewhere And they've been walking you know they've never seen like a Western or maybe and yet they've been walking around with their underpants on their face You know because the TV told them to Guys I say I'm I'm I'm I'm just I'm not trying to criticize anybody I'm just trying to highlight the the notion that you can save humanity By putting things on you and and I just want to also go a little bit further and again I've got to be so careful what I say but In in science of which medicine is obviously a part everything is a theory it is absolutely and there are several different theories of health out there but there's two main ones The one I subscribe to Let's just I try to make this really simple so there's one theory it's like there's a bogeyman and it can jump from me there into Fred and then Fred into old Jesus Christ get your underpants on your face we're going to save you Matt You can listen to someone called Anton Bouchamp Yeah, there's talks about terrain theory how important it is to keep our body show this one all the time to my get your pH strips folks right test your body see see how acidic your tissues are I've done this for almost 20 years now I've never been here and I used to get ill three times a year I hated it right since I started to have a green smoothie for lunch pile on the vegetables for me tea I've got some green powder that really really just keeps me tip top I've never ever been sick so who do I go for do I go for the guy that goes I know you don't have to look usually you can eat from McDonald's three times a day it's not down to you Chris it's like there's a bogeyman and it can jump or do I go for the guy that goes no it's really important to look after your it is bodily environment and also to stay away from contaminants in our society community you know out there there's other stuff I mean simple silly example car fumes all day we've got we have so many airplanes go overhead every single day they chug up the sky I don't know what I'm guessing some carbon carbon base ships coming out these planes we're a car we're a carbon base structure that's not not a good match when you think that what a lot of people have been experiencing I'm not going to say at which time in history but it's essentially a respiratory disorder there's other things that haven't even been looked at and then one step one you know taking another step is the fact that the politicians and I wanted to ask you guys about the music industry because we have we know we have a certain thing like going on on there that a lot of us have become you know switched on to is there seems to be a glass ceiling we have all these people that can do the job you know in the music industry incredible musicians you only have to go to an open mic night and see that this person should have a bloody album that they just incredible but of course there's hundreds of thousands more so I think in society they create this glass ceiling and you can only get above it if you cow-tow I think there's a degree of truth to that to the agenda this is why we see people like Boris who I don't doubt he's probably not a bad bloke but he's under so much pressure probably you know the intelligence services are very good at getting let's say information on people I think we maybe saw this with a certain Prime Minister during the Iraq war do I say any more and they go oi matey if you don't toe this line we're going to there's some photographs you know yeah I think I mean if you've listened to the lots of the lots of CIA assets out there and whistleblowers like William Binney and Ray McGovern who will are testament to this sort of coercion that goes on and they've got you know firsthand experience and and have seen this I think I don't agree with you I think Boris Johnson is actually inherently a bad person I don't think I don't think you'd find him a good friend or loyal friend or particularly a loyal partner that's for sure so I don't think he's I actually don't think he's a good guy that's just my gut I've never met him I'm just my gut feeling and I think I do think in the music industry from our experience we've always worked with the margins we always we've never signed a major record deal we've worked with major labels through through smaller concerns but we've never signed a major record deal and although we were given lots of opportunities because obviously I'm too sexy was unsigned and everywhere so the people that had hated us six months before came in and offered us lots of money and we decided not to do that and it's because we don't really like doing what we don't like doing what we've been told we don't like being pushed around so and we but we did do that in the 91-92 through the 93 we did say when they said jump we did say how high we grew tired of that very quickly and in 95 we walked away and set up our own record label and it worked you know against the odds since then and I think it's the sort of band you are some people absolutely love the fame will do anything for the fame they they will count out to the label and their manager because they think they know best and some cases maybe they do but I know I think you see certain artists and I think they've definitely had you know the tap and I think that's definitely the case we were courted into the states when the band was number one we were definitely courted with that in mind we were offered several things parties situations to get involved in we just didn't really care weren't that impressed with it and we had we're also quite we're quite neighborhood people you know if we'd been really really ambitious we would have plotted up in LA got a local manager got local agent and work and work the room but we didn't we were much more interested in getting home I just wanted to get home I think you either you know some people really love that game and they want to embrace it and they want to you know they want to be at the Grammys and they want to be at the Elton John after Hollywood after show and that's that's up to them the bridge when we didn't get the award for the best whatever it was it was we stayed down and you know for the rest of the evening and it was our label that stormed out in half was that the year when Brandon got a bit of a ruckus on stage there was a couple years we did 92 and 93 we did maybe 94 I can't remember I don't know it was when KLF did the sheep thing yeah and it was when one band got white noise terror to perform on their behalf there might have been KLF didn't somebody hit John Prescott ah what's that no there was that band who chinned Philip Schofield didn't they Carter oh unsubbleable sex to see yeah Carter yeah one of them walked on chinned Philip Schofield pushing back the frontiers of music otherwise known as Carter and I think they're still smashing that at the back somewhere now not only yeah the thing is one of the going back to music business very quickly one of the things that in a way the music business is a reflection of this of the culture that we live in and the culture that we're currently living in is a very very compliant culture it's a very safe culture it's a very vanilla we don't much we don't much like people who kick up the dust we don't really like them that we find them you know uncomfortable so you wouldn't get a punk movement happening now because it's just too edgy it's too out there is too difficult to control you know there's a like there's a new artist called Youngblood that the something New York Times thinks is punk it's about as punk as a dell yes just not punk punk is something completely different yeah punk is an organic thing you can't invent it so I think I think there's a lot of I think there's a lot of that around I think that's why the music scene now is so I think at least is is relatively bland and the stuff that we grew up on people like Alex Harvey and you know Sparks and all those weird and wonderful artists it happened because you took the politicians weren't in the way health and safety wasn't in the way also the labels were more independent you know now you have Universal but obviously back then you had Polydor and Fertico and all these Mercury and whatever it was it was always independent not independent but these separate labels and now it's much more of a conglomerate and everybody has associations to third party affiliates affiliates and sponsors and we had it not longer we were picked up by we did a deal with a well known manager we thought we'd give this shot and we walked away after about four months because it was horrible but anyway during that time what happened is that we got suddenly signed up by quite a well known rocker roll agency music agency and they would only the minute we sat down manager they sacked us and so that is what happens and everyone was we were offered a major deal throughout this management we refused the deal we sat down management and we were dumped by our agent and everyone thought we were mental we just don't want to be part of that thing and if and if all you care about and if the manager said oh I want to make your household name again I said there would be a household name again like Bleach yeah exactly like Bleach guys has it has it been upsetting for you because I've got mates in the music industry and we've had people on the show and and in order to keep above this bloody glass seat the next thing you know they're doing you know they're pushing I can't remember the the governing group about how is it the World Health Organization the next thing they're on bloody I don't watch mainstream media I'm sure you guys don't but from what I gather they're on the mainstream media and they're doing adverts for the older you know the job yeah they are and it's like I mean I know I know it upsets you it doesn't really upset me the people that did it were disappointing long before that yeah the surprise the people that did surprise we were raging gates and machine who insisted on people in backs to come to the show same with Bruce Springsteen I found Paul McCartney disappointing not because he took the jab that's his choice I think any artist has a choice to do that when you start advising and suggesting that other people do what you do I think that's I think that's an abuse of your position and people would claim that we've done that but we've never told anyone to get jabbed or not get jabbed we just tell people what we think and you've got to make up your own mind just be informed it's not much to ask you know it's just been sorry but if you go into the hospital and you know you just you're going to have your ears pinned back right in an operation you would ask the guy what okay what what what what what's entailed in this operation how what's the recovery situation what is there any kind of post-operative care that I need you know you ask basic questions but for some inexplicable reason people just rolled up their sleeve put an experimental therapy into their arm and then wondered why other people start thinking well you must be crazy well put they put an experimental therapy into their arm administered by non-medical people in the most part a very good friend of ours who works with the NHS was asked to oversee a mass vaccination centre he went down and did that and he had to close it down after a few hours because of the anaphylactic fits then he started questioning the people administering the drug and he found out they were aircrew or furloughed yeah they've been furloughed I don't know who it was and so he said well tell me what your instructions you've had then he saw the needles the needles were too long and too thick they bought the wrong needles or been given the wrong needles he said well show me how you've been taught he said they've been taught completely wrong and this guy is an orthopedic specialist injection specialist is what he does and he said I've been doing this jabbing people 25 years never seen an anaphylactic fit in my life and he said these people don't know what they're doing so what they were doing they were hitting marrow they were hitting bone so not marrow they're hitting bone they were hitting arteries and he said it was an absolute shit show so he started to close it down close it down in four or five hours and refused to go back there and he said but it opened up again with someone else overseeing it and the NHS turned a blind eye and I think the recklessness with people have been reckless with their own lives with their own bodies the government have been reckless and the media have been reckless and so have the big farmer and I think that's why we're seeing so many sudden adult deaths and when was there every time you see a pro athlete fall over and clutch his heart when it didn't happen and are you familiar I think it would really wake people up if you go to the office of national statistics and you type in how many people actually died from this thing say between I think I can actually get it up here on my screen perhaps Luke if you're watching you can flag this up for us but between February 2020 to December 2021 this is people purely of the thing right we're not talking concomitant like diabetes and also remember folks being a science is theoretical so this is if you if you think this thing exists is what I'm trying to say so under the age of from 0 5 years old and I'm just going to like paraphrase a bit like nobody this isn't a UK 5 years old to 9 years old 10 to 14 one girl right remember if this is if you go to the old Louis pastor 15 to 19 oh my god all those kids have been targeted by NHS adverts you know putting it on TikTok telling them don't you let the ship down you know one boy apologies and it goes on and on and even if you get into the 35 to 39 year bracket combined they sent 57 now 57 out of a population of 66 million I think what we've been through would just be really really surprised and go really they don't want to hear that because I see people all the time as an argument posting stuff from mainstream media they'll say 1.5 million people died no they did not but they don't want to hear it because they want to figure that it's disastrous because it supports the fact that they followed the narrative that's what they that's the evidence they adhere to and they don't want to drop that and also it was recently within the last sort of six to nine months that the two words with and from became became you know significant yeah and you know that this you know that I think it was a guy in Florida I think who tested positive for COVID but he was he was killed in a motorbike accident and he went down down as a COVID death so there was a I think it's very hard to get your head around the degree to which this has been deflated I've never believed that neither of us have that COVID was a myth it's a real virus and it's out there I believe that but if you look at particularly people like Peter McCulloch whose whose entire effort at the beginning was to prevent hospitalization to use repurposed drugs off-label drugs to prevent people going into hospital stay at home take these drugs you know take some time out you'll be fine because once you go to hospital once you're on ventilator you know it doesn't look good and he was I think he was expecting to be treated like some kind of hero because he had developed this kind of protocol to help people getting hospitalized and there was no enthusiasm for that because hospitals will be particularly in America I don't want the situation in the UK but in America hospitals were being paid cash for every COVID patient they admitted they were they were then being given extra cash for every COVID patient they admitted to ICU the whole thing they scan and you know I mean in Czechoslovakia you had a half an hour with your favorite prostitute if you had the jam there's a statistic here but I saw the other day and it's a UK Gov statistic and its children are 4,423% more likely to die of any cause and 3,633% more likely to die of COVID than unvaccinated children that's the degree their immune system has been screwed and that is from the government and also now you've got a study which is this is from the control who's this from I can't quite see anyway they've now decided that it's been agreed by the CDC that regular use of ivermectin could be good for you what a thought what a shocker you mean that drug that's been tested for decades and is on the list of the that's just animal paced just horse paced and I think one of the most amazing things about this whole affair has been the degree to which the mass media had just towed the line but I mean imagine what we would not know if it wasn't for social media as a representative of anything I do not speak for any group or organisation although I am sometimes described as a activist I regard this personally as too limiting I believe strongly really strongly in individual liberty our right to privacy which is currently being eroded every day and our right within reason to determine our own futures free from interference from the state, organised religion or any other group in fact that thinks it knows what's best for me imagine there was no social media and we were relying completely on the BBC, Sky and the press which we have done before imagine if there had been selfies going on and iPhones in the second and first world war imagine the horrors we would have really seen and imagine the take up exactly same with Vietnam of course that for me has been absolutely staggering and I should never forget reading an article I read some of it by Andrew and Neil which I think was in the mail and it was the headline was something like now it's time to punish the unvaccinated these guys you mentioned like friends we love everybody on this channel we're not persecuting it's not about that it's understanding the whole picture but when you see people like the James Wales the chat that does the daytime program Steve Nolan and Nick Ferrari and James O'Brien oh Sheila Dottie why don't you poison their coffee I'm trying to think of the other guy he has a very popular daytime not Jamie Vine and also there was the chap I can't remember his name but he we had Tommy Robinson on the show recently and his crew have been really speaking out a lot about this he come under attack from this BBC reporter but what the BBC reporter didn't know is he's been filmed the person he was speaking to was recording him on behalf of Tommy and it was just I'll say pure evil a bit stroked but there's a certain like character isn't there if you've got that character you're going to be retained at the BBC you're going to be really well and it's weird because I wonder have they given up on love and kindness and empathy and learning or are they just like really fucking horrible I think they've been horrible for over 200 years the elite I'm conflicted with the BBC for me it's BBC news that seemed to have lost their way we've done a lot of work with BBC regional and I think they do a really good job and they've been really good to us and we've spoken out to various regional shows and they haven't tried to censor us so I think the BBC is a big organisation like the NHS huge organisation and I think within it there's some really great people sadly the people who seem to be most unpleasant seem to get the loudest voice and I think that's a shame and I think the BBC will live to regret that but that's my opinion I think it's damaged their brand which is criminal and still pays a licence fee I mean I wouldn't do it to be honest after certain events can we say that might or might not take a place in America or about I'm not supporting people that you know I want to say I think this with taxation too everything should be ring-based I want to see what's spent I don't want to pay for BBC documentaries I'm quite happy to pay for BBC drama I don't want to pay for BBC sport because I've never watched it I don't want to pay for BBC news because I don't believe it so if they could send me their breakdown of the things I can contribute I'd be more than happy to do that but I don't want to pay give them a blank check to spend it in any way they like around the day to read an auto cure I'm not interested so I think that and for me it's the same with taxation at the moment what we do is we pay our tax into this gaping yore of the treasury and we expect them to distribute it in a way that makes sense or fair I don't want to do that I think they should explain like they do when you get your community charts they tell you what they spend on police they tell you what they spend on water I want that for general taxation as well part of the reason I started the podcast is I thought do you know what I'm going to get to chat to fascinating people like my idols people that I admire I respect and it's been gosh you know you put out to the universe it gives you back tenfold you know it's just incredible and I'm so I'm going to say it again I'm so humbled to me in fact look I had a shave today a lot a lot of people don't know that Wright said Fred is actually three brothers but I mean come on guys you had a US number one that isn't the gold standard for UK artists isn't it how many people have moved to LA to try to achieve and did you take that in your stride or did you have a beer or something else we were kind of scary yeah we were working really hard so we weren't really given the opportunity to sit back and enjoy it and you've got about your third hit single yes I know three three hit wonders some that she said to us the other day they said so what do you say to people who say you're just two hit wonders and it's going to go on forever then isn't it so what do you say to people who just say you say you're 57 hit ones we've only enjoyed it more looking back and the longevity of sexy is I'm actually more proud of it's you know having it it's recently been it's been rewritten if you like well interpolated is the term with Taylor Swift had a number one with it Drake had a number one with it and now Beyonce and so I was proud of that as the original track because very few songs have that cache you know they are few far between doesn't mean whether you like the song or not it's kind of irrelevant it's just a matter of fact and what's interesting I think is is we still get blanked even though we've had as co-writers we've still had we've had now four American number ones and we still get blanked by PRS in the UK Basker in the UK the only people who are supportive is BMI and it's really odd and it's really strange it's clear that we as writers we've achieved quite a lot and they will not they will not address it sometimes they just don't like it sometimes Fred gets in bites and it says dear Mr Fairbrough would you like to sit in the room with an award-winning writer and then Fred goes back says well actually I am an award-winning writer so I don't really know I sit in the room with one every day has this come since your stance on the old shenanigans no it's got worse we've been cancelled from song writing projects we've been cancelled from film we were cancelled from two commercials all based on gigs all based on loads of gigs cancelled and it was all based on what they'd made in the press no one ever bothered to contact us and say look what's going on they believe what the Daily Mail said they believe what the Express said well the Express hasn't been too bad I think but they believe the sun and the BBC and these people haven't been very honest with us or about us rather so we got cancelled based on other people's ability to consume misinformation not on the truth at all and so with I think we're going back before the pandemic we there is an in a sanctum with the music industry if you kiss us with the silver guys at the silver cliff or the Duke of Edinburgh awards there's loads of music events you can get involved in and you get a little tick against your name and we've never been invited to be honest with you and if we had been but we probably would have done it but we've been pretty much ignored by the British music industry they really just don't take kindly to us when it comes back to un-to-sexy this all started then because they were the British photographic industry which was represented by the major labels made it very public that they thought un-to-sexy was a piece of shit and would never be successful we proved them wrong and to this very day they don't like that they just don't and we know all the words to candle in the wind I don't understand why we're not getting we're not getting the attention that we deserve I've no idea folks we should do that we did a photo shoot in Germany in 2002 and it was part of an album cover shoot but mostly part of an exhibition for a photographer who's quite born in Germany and he did a sort of a hotly thing where you take lots of polaroids of someone's head and then you replace the polaroids to change the face and at one point we held an eye over an eye and apparently that 21 years later that proves that we are now illuminants that's how we got the Beyonce thing because she poured goat's blood over me what a night that was the attempt I'm never to compare these people yeah it's fascinating we had a celebrity photographer on the show apologies I can't remember his name it was about two years ago and I just I tried to nail him on this and he was a little bit you could see he was a bit confused but he said when he's he says he's like photo shooting Samuel L Jackson and he says then Samuel starts doing like yeah and he doesn't know why you know I think there's a reason it's a pyramid stage at Glastonbury and there is lots of people say it's gone from a folk festival to having you know the old hide your hand in your shirt the hidden hand although all the festival main stages of pyramid actually no they're not we have played thousands of festivals all over the world that's the only one I've ever seen they're always the arc occasionally square but quite often the arc as well I think one of the things that the Covid thing has done I hope it's made a lot of people realise that there's an awful lot more going on than they ever really imagined what's going on whether it's Freemasonry whether it's the Illuminati whether it's you know the Sabatine Frankis Coat it goes on and on it was really funny I'm a fan of the 13th floor elevators who were a psychedelic rock band probably the first psychedelic rock band ever mid 60s and they had the eye they had the third eye on their t-shirt and that's because back then it was seen as the inner light the inner sight that's what they believed in there was this other you know the pinot gland or pineal gland and I'm all this t-shirt once people throw their prams toys out their prams you the Illuminati it's 13th floor elevators you couldn't get a band further away from the Illuminati you pay them to bloody hell I think there's a whole load of stuff going on now we were in Gibraltar and we got invited to a party we got invited to a party in Gibraltar surrounded by lots of girls and we didn't go and then we spoke to some people who did the next day and what went on back there was very freaky and some of the people were left because within 20 minutes of walking through the door it didn't feel right and one guy he was looking down at his hand and he had blood all over his hand nowhere else it just appeared all over his hands I don't know what went on there but it definitely wasn't right it was the accounts we didn't go because the girl asked me freak me out I don't like you there's something very dark about you and when we spoke to the guys the next morning they said so please you didn't come it was a freak show and something like 6 or 7 pregnant women walking around and upside down crosses and they bought a whole bunch of puppies but the puppies were really young like should have been with their mum young and this was to clean the vibe apparently and they said the whole atmosphere was very very cute all the doors were locked the way you came in so they found a fire escape and got out through the car park but they said it was incredibly bizarre and particularly this guy got covered in blood he said there was no blood on the seat no blood anywhere but all my trousers in hand it just appeared he said it was the freakest thing he's ever been to and he's not into that thinking at all he said I'd like to come up with a rational explanation he said but so far I can't weird stuff going on all the time I think I'm more aware of it now than I was 3 years ago and when I look back to my childhood I was completely trusting you know absolutely somebody had a white coat on they were to be trusted if somebody was a policeman they would be trusted and now that's all gone and I think the absence of trust is going to be one of the most difficult things to rebuild in politics in medicine and academia all there is an idea of actually being able to trust somebody the minute police put cameras on their tunics I thought what does that tell you nobody trusts what they say that's what it tells you it might be a good idea and there's lots of really good reasons for doing it but fundamentally what it tells you is that we do not trust the copper I'm sure you saw it there was footage of gay pride there's this copper going up to a group of lesbians asking them about the trans movement found the lesbians offensive what? I'm sorry mate as opposed to what the copper should be doing he goes up to the trans people and says why did you neck in these people have as much right to be here as you have I suggest you all get on and that like bloody adults but he didn't do that what he wanted to do was divide and I think that level of policing that is so still about scraping the boss on Jesus Christ I don't know who the copper is but he shouldn't be on the force if that's his best effort when I was a kid I was cycling to college and the front wheel of my pedal bike went over the white line of the traffic lights just the front wheel and there was a copper standing on the pavement and he signalled for me to come over and I just thought oh this is jail time obviously I'm going to get absolutely hammered here but I trusted the copper he was to me he was the it all started to go wrong when don't tell me Blair said we must call the police a police service yeah it's not a police service it's a police force they enforce the law that's right and if they can't do that they should find another job yeah I tell you what fellas because I've got such wonderfully kind and empathic chaps on my show I'm just going to put my theory to you hopefully then other people will see it and then hopefully they'll see the nonsense of all of this right and it goes something like this right and with respect to religion and make of it what you will but up there one day in a great big void there was some dude let's call him Mr Universe and he's all on his own because there's nothing else in the universe he's bored he's like do you know what I'm going to do a bit of an experiment here right I'm going to take a bit of myself I don't know a rib chuck that down and I'm going to create a reaction and what that's going to do is set something in place called evolution and it's going to probably go go well it will go on to eternity I want to see this clever complex you know fusion of life and biology and physics and da da da da da can ever get to the point where it can create intelligent life obviously it has right he says but the reason I put this thing into place is I want to know if this life will ever get smart enough to realise it's me it's an extension of me and even though you got these little funny pink things running around thinking they're humans no they it's all part of the big picture called the universe and so once you realise that we're all carbon molecular structures right the nonsense of thinking that there's a difference between us guys it's like saying there's two rocks on the beach and we should call this one Fred and you know this one Richard and we'll give this one a punk rock haircut this let's give this dude an earring and give them no the point I'm getting to is once you realise we're all carbon molecular based structure we've been here from the dawn of time we will be here to eternity maybe not in this birth certificate identity that people deludedly referred to as Chris but if you are me Richard and Fred and I am you because we're the universe just to experience itself in different bodies then I love you and I hope you love me and I want the absolute best for you because you're me and I'm you and I know you want the best for me right and what that does it takes down all the division doesn't it the problem is that Chris is that there are thousands of people out there who see that acceptance or awakening as a weakness and so what they do is they manipulate it and that's what you know when you've got we're seeing at the moment the cost of living is going through the roof the cost of living will not hit Jeff Bezos or MPs or the banking fraternity or big tech it won't hit those people it will hit plumbers and builders and middle classes and the learning companies and that's the problem there isn't that connection I mean there should be and I wish there was but people more now than ever are focused on division we've now got pronouns you have to describe are you him or she or sis drill it right down there's one description human being that's it one description if you drill it right down but people don't want that that's not enough so then you've got man and woman okay fine and then it starts skin color you know birthright blah blah blah blah but if you actually drill it down we are we should be all the same sadly and you could blame all of us because we're responsible we've allowed it not to be that if you're interested in controlling people and maintaining your position in the elite so whatever we call it division is a really important tool so whether it's the trans issue whether it's to do with non-binary or black and white or Jewish or ginger or fat and thin if you can find a way to divide people as we have seen in the last 40 or 50 years first of all it was HIV and now it's the vaccinated and the unvaccinated and skin color division is at the heart of it Tony was absolutely right when he said if you've got a well educated and a well fed populace they're very hard to control and govern so what does that tell you it's important to keep the if you want to govern it's important to keep the people fairly ignorant given one story and make sure they are completely preoccupied all the time with things other than the crap you're doing they're worried about food, they're worried about security, they're worried about policing on the streets, they're worried about immigration all these things keep people worried because then they won't see how utterly useless we are in the House of Commons Boris Johnson goes to Ukraine Macron goes to Algiers Pelosi goes to China the whole thing Ivan goes to Philadelphia that speaks man and I think all these people that's what they do it's by the playbook it's all look over there and if you actually write down what's happening to this country the moment you go through the last 30 months it is an abomination of what they've done to people abomination on the elderly, care homes small businesses, hospitality I mean the list is friggin endless and the only people who are benefitting are mainstream media big tech obviously and both those people have it in their interest to keep you at home because if you're at home what are you going to do you can turn on the TV you can turn on the radio, turn on the computer and you're going to lose community because instead of talking to your neighbour you're grassing them up because he had five people at his barbecue that's exactly why church is closed it's why there's the war on hospitality it's why big events that they're going to try and crush obviously not their big events like Davos and Bilderberg their big events would be fine but the big events for the useless eaters they want to stamp out for a whole bunch of reasons they'll use climate change and if that doesn't work they'll use Covid and if that doesn't work they'll use Omicron it'll be some BS that they've pulled out the hat I mean back in the day 300, 400, 500 years ago people were burned to the stake rather than relinquished on their beliefs many years later the churches shut their doors because the government told them to I mean the lack of courage, the lack of spine and forgetting that their job is pastoral care to their community that was their job it was extraordinary to me as you say at every level you can't think of an organisation or an institution that hasn't been that hasn't disappointed in some way or other in the last two years and then I saw Boris Johnson the other day defending despite the evidence that lockdowns were a good idea and the right thing to do he's got the nerve he's spineless he doesn't have the guts can I just contribute it's all about the ego again isn't it you have to get rid of your ego to seek your peace in life and enter Nirvana and I woke up in Nirvana every single day I've had three of the toughest months of my life I'm just coming through it now did that stop me being it? the whole understanding is life's not supposed to be easy but I'm perfect I was born perfect I don't need anybody telling me to put stuff in my body all I've got to do is practice peace love kindness, empathy go out and live the dream but when you take someone like Boris and this is no we're not being fattest here folks but he's a bit of a porker I'm guessing he has his liquid lunches he's having obesity is an issue he's the elephant in the room people are too fat you know if you look at the people online giving advice Piers Morgan, Three Chins Andrew Neil, Too Fat Steve Nolan, Too Fat Mick Ferrari, Too Fat Julia Hartley Brewer, Too Fat my point is they're all losing a spiritual battle you cannot have the vibration that sets you free if you're not treating your temple in the bloody right way and if we used to manage gyms and I can tell you now from personal experience you don't have to go to a gym to be fit I'm just giving this an example we were much bigger at the time we were in good shape and I was a personal trainer people would come in, would you want to do I don't want to be big like you the guy would say I just want to tone up so I'd get a black desk I'd get a white piece of chalk draw a button so if you could push that if that was a real button and you could get muscle like me I'd push it, what would you do so I'd push it so we've established you're lazy that's what we've established and I did this every time and it was a joke people fail to realise you can't out-train your diet you've got to be careful with what you eat you've got to be responsible for your body and you've got to give your body a chance at being healthy and your well-being and the very people that are handing out this medical advice like the ones I mentioned are an example of what not to do with your body they are I mean when you see that thing of Steve Nolan walking around garages shouting at people shouting at people he can barely walk he ought to be on wheels he can barely walk he's handing out advice I wouldn't I wouldn't go to Stevie Wonder for driving lessons he's a great songwriter driving maybe not so good at it just when they shut the gyms that was it actually why don't you make vegetables half price why don't you give some nutritional information and teach people that the body's actually got a pH balance and if you screw with it you are going to get ill a lot and that will lead to terminal illness fellas listen I just want to I mean you're platinum selling artists and you're the most humble guys in the music industry alongside Danny Ramplin hello Danny much loved you much much loved to Danny well the old substances anyone knows my history I've written like three memoirs now or at least two of them were about my battle with crystal meth and where it led me I have absolutely nothing negative to say about it I'm an enlightened being and if I hadn't lived my life the way I did I might not be an enlightened being and I might not have the most gorgeous son that is possible to bloody but for you boys how you know I read something was it one of the tabloids recently about your was it you Fred Taxi driving that's right I was just so speed that in a bit of this and a bit of that how did you like keep on top of that in the celebrity world well I didn't after about 92 my my cocaine use grew exponentially exponentially yeah and I was I was fortunate because I wasn't addicted so what I could do I could stop and start whenever I wanted so I would do a few weeks on where I take it every day and then I take months off so I was very lucky not to have that addiction on the other hand very unlucky because I should have been in rehab and I should have kicked it into touch way before I did but because I had this ability to do it and not do it it kind of it made me indulge in it in far longer than I probably should have done and I use it as a stimulant initially after shows or before shows then I started using it in my recreational time and then it became a bigger part of my life and it should have done but only in it it wasn't every day year in year out it was for a few days and stop then for a couple of weeks and stop and it was sort of very very very intermittent so from that point of view I was quite lucky but we were surrounded by people you know record companies would score gear for you, tour managers would, local promoters would on hotels. Yeah yeah yeah exactly this idea that the record company you know is very anti-drug is it bollocks it knows it's anti-certain drugs it doesn't like smack because you can't you can't perform on smack really well but you know uppers like cocaine you can perform fairly effectively on those and you see all the time on TV you see you know and on tour you see bands using it all the time in one sense or another. So I don't think it's I think the industry lies to itself about that and there's Avicii testified that you know he was he was pushed to breaking point because people are more interested in a lot of people are more interested in the bottom line than some as well be. It's definitely a youth thing I think if you're listening to your body you realise that this can't it can't go on you know when we first started I could get off my doggie get off my head have sex with somebody and wake up at 10 o'clock in the morning and feel fine crack on you know now that simple sort of routine would take me about a month to get over so I just you know and I like getting to bed early and I like reading and I like going to the gym I like all that stuff so and also there's nothing sadder I don't think and ageing dragon on you know a musician who still thinks it's cool to get wasted I think it's you know when you're young you can your body can deal with it as you get older you have to be a little bit more carefully you have to be a bit more respectful of the body that you are occupying. Avicii is a bit of a hero in my night and I know a lot of people say if you could meet someone in history who would it be? Jesus I'd love to have met I went through the dance area and as I'm sure you guys did and I it really changed my life you know I learned so much made a twat myself probably most of the time but you know I mean I never danced before and now I love dancing and I'd love to do it at every single opportunity and at 52 folks I still can't have been broke but when I see Avicii there and he's just he's banging it out you know but then of course there was suggestion that shenanigans went on there wasn't there I don't know the details and I can't speculate no I wouldn't speculate but the he was this awesome guy folks he was a Swedish chap he was a musical genius he pulled artists together and he did amalgamations and I love to listen to them when I run every morning and then he took a photo of his fans I think he was looking Dubai or somewhere but don't quote me on that and then that later that day allegedly you know took himself out of the game and I understand he had depression problems obviously I think being on the road on your own is a miserable place particularly for girls but male or female it's lonely we've been fortunate enough and we generally work with people we have a good relationship with we don't like yes men particularly so we try and have a more of an adult relationship you like yes women though I used to like yes women that's true that's for our guiltiest charge guiltiest charge does that get problematic I mean well when you've you know got women or men thrown themselves at you can that get you down it did I abused it I didn't abuse them I used to say I abused the situation I was not abused I exploited the situation I was very promiscuous I was single I was fortunate enough to meet some very beautiful women and I took advantage of that then after a couple of years you start to think actually I just want someone to hang out with I can talk to I mean I know you got nice tits and everything but you're a bit dim so I might need someone I can actually have a conversation with I was fortunate enough to meet my wife from the early nautism and we're still together so yeah I don't really I was I did I was pretty I was pretty stereotypical of pop star, pop star takes drugs Mara's page 3 you go sleeps with lots of models and gets a bit messed up I was a pretty standard issue in that way you know where are you guys from where did you grow up both born in London I was born in south east London which was born in south west London and then we grew up in east squinted I was born in south east London where were you? Bromley I was a Sydney pinch I won't pretend I know it very well I left when I was very young but I did wonder if we had a bit of a connection guys we've got another one coming in can I just ask you one last thing yes mate you've performed for Nelson Mandela the queen but who's like the geezer or the girly that you've had a real bloody good crack with Michael Hutchins Michael Hutchins Michael Hutchins lovely Paula Wilcox was lovely Jason Donovan very funny who else did we Paul McCartney Paul McCartney was very nice he was and who else that's about it really not many to be honest with you Sam Fox many times she was your sweetheart we asked all the time about famous musician friends we just don't have any in that kind of thing the people who were nice you meet them in passing there's loads of those we met Shaggy with 50 cent pit balls all sorts of people we met on one to one a 30 second high mate house very nice people there are some that are just rude from the beginning but generally speaking we met Diane Keaton they were all really sweet living in John lovely people on that first impression fellas listen you wrote a hit single called I'm too sexy and I tell you what it's physically impossible to listen to that and not feel fucking sexy and I think that can't not be a bad thing I'm to feel sexy guys it's been an absolute honour as I said you at the beginning on behalf of me and my boy this is where I get emotional but you know you know what I'm trying to say keep the good fuck for anyone watching it's alright to step outside on the mainstream it's alright to do the right thing it's alright to go in a supermarket and go do you know what fuck that bullshit it's okay it means you're living your dream and nothing will come nothing will come of it anyway think for yourself always think for yourself spreading Richard listen I won't keep you out of the show I'm just going to click it off now friends at home I hope you've loved this as much as I have massive love to you all if you could please like and subscribe that would be great massive love to the boys please you know extend that love to your families let's chat again at some point absolutely Chris that'd be interesting hope to hook up with you up in the smoke at some time and we'll maybe we'll do something good have a bit for my dance love to everybody cheers cheers cheers