 Psalm 23 talks about the shepherd and what's it that the shepherd leads and he leads besides still waters he leads in parts of righteousness and talks about the shepherd leading guiding nurturing and so on so let's let's just read this the Lord is my shepherd I shall not want he makes me to lie down in green pasture he leads me beside the still waters he restores my soul he leads me in the paths of righteousness for his namesake yet though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil for you are with me your rod and your staff they comfort me you prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies you anoint my head with oil my cup runs over surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life and I will dwell in the house what forever you know what really caught my attention was the fact that the shepherd leads and if we are of course as the sheep we are we are the ones who follow and he leads in different settings we see the environment changing but he is there leading and because he is leading and because of his presence the psalmist experiences you know comfort and the psalmist experiences courage and then he makes that declaration surely goodness and mercy shall follow me even as the psalmist follows the leading of the shepherd there's something else that is following the psalmist following the shepherd right talks about goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life so maybe so may this be our experience as well as we follow the leading of the good shepherd right let's pray father we thank you that you are our shepherd we thank you that you have uniquely designed us each one of us God and and what a privilege it is Lord that you've designed us to hear your voice in a way to hear your voice father God we thank you and we thank you that our spirits have been quickened to to receive Lord your leading we have been asked but been made alive to to have been brought us to a place of relationship with you you call us your sons and daughters and and your word declares that they that are led by the Spirit of God they are the sons of God and we thank you for this privilege you've given us we thank you for this God ability that you've given us to and to follow the leading of the good shepherd Lord we thank you that you're the shepherd was something to lay down you lay down your life and Lord we thank you that this to protect us it is to save us nor it is to bring us out of darkness into light we thank you for redemption we thank you for all that you've done Lord and even as you lead us Lord we pay that Lord for some of us who need to rest by the by the still waters Lord I pray that we rest in refreshing Lord for some of us who need the nourishment in pastures Lord I pray that they will we will experience that and Lord those who need to Lord be prompted and not back to parts of righteousness Lord I pray and that as well and Father I just pray for an impartation for an infusion of courage that we can declare I will fear no evil because you are with us even in the leading Lord you are with us Lord your presence is with us and Lord we can boldly declare Lord that in the presence of the enemies oh God you prepare a table Lord you on you put us on display Father God and play oh God your goodness your grace your favor on us God thank you we thank you Lord even as you lead us Lord all this is just unfolding in our lives God and master we thank you that that that because of your presence Father God now we are comforted because of your presence there is courage and strength and yes we can surely fully declare joyfully declare God that surely goodness and mercy will follow us even as we follow you the one who is good we thank you Lord for this day we thank you for this time for these sessions Lord we pray that you'll continue to lead us Lord and teach us to be good leaders thank you in Jesus name we pray amen okay so welcome back those who joined yeah during the prayer time just wanted to continue from where left off just when I'm just closing a few things yeah okay yeah it's been a month so I'm since hair is grown back so strength so today you know as we as we come from where we left off we are going to look at you know one aspect of leadership which is you know leading through change you know the first section is actually leading through time right and with time there is there are these ups and downs there are these different seasons and and so today we are looking at leading through you know some changes or specifically we are looking at leading through transitions right transition the dictionary would say that it is a process of or a period of changing from one state or one condition to another okay let me just put it here across this period of changing from one state or condition to another so transition right so from season to another from from one you know condition to another so that's a transition so so how does one lead through you know transition you know I understand that way you know in a class like this some of us could be just you know just starting out and you know getting ready and you know have been seasoned leaders in some capacity or maybe maybe a life group maybe a Bible study maybe a church you know and and so on so you know you've been leaders for many years and so you know we have a mixed you know crowd when it comes to experience of lead and formal leadership I'm talking about but but this aspect of leadership transitions you know so it may resonate with you in the sense that you may think okay I've gone to this but for some of us it might be something we're missing okay this is not something that I've gone through but it'll be you know good learning as well so so let's take a look and we'll take a look at that okay it's so we see that you know a classic example that we see in the in the Bible is that when it comes to transition or leadership change is in the book of Joshua that we we see Joshua taking over the mantle of leadership from Moses and so we see a big change that's one can just imagine what is going on in Joshua's mind then you know in his heart because the leader who was there was you know really bigger than life itself very charismatic where he he was been there history and somewhat like a legend right so and Joshua has been you know there accompanying being with the leader for you know for all these years and there comes this time when the leader is not there well he has he received much from from Moses and you know he has learned a lot he has seen Moses right when people were grumbling and all those difficult times he's seen Moses you know when he was in the tabernacle and he would come out and Joshua would stay back right and we see that and and he's seen in you know all those way this is the supernatural work he's seen that and now we see that Moses is no more okay and now Joshua is faced with this awesome responsibility of of carrying on this mantle or stepping into the shoes of leadership right so you see you know this is what the conversation that Joshua has with with God and it's very very interesting right let's let's go read you verses here Joshua chapter 1 after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass that the Lord spoke to Joshua the son of known Moses assistant saying Moses my servant is dead now therefore arise go over this Jordan you and all this people the land which I am giving to them the children of Israel every place that the soul of your foot will tread upon I have given you as I said to Moses as I said to Moses sorry from the wilderness as far as the great river the river Euphrates all the land of the Hittites and to the great sea to where the going down of the Sun shall be your territory no man shall be able to stand before you all the days of your life and then he says as I was with Moses so I will be with you I will not leave you nor forsake you okay so this great reassurance you know with all the instructions this great reassurance if you notice verse 2 he just brings it I mean he's just stating what is the reality he's bringing home the reality or you know if there was anything in Joshua's mind thinking okay I wish things could be better or I wish things could go back to the Lord is right you know just is bringing him you know the reality and presenting with the facts saying Joshua you know Moses my servant is dead now therefore arise and there's work to be done this is end of a chapter the beginning of another one and it involves you there's work to be done so now arise now therefore arise and go right and I have work with you and work I want to work through you so there's no man shall be able to withstand as I was Moses so I will be with you also and it says I will not leave you nor forsake you and then verse 6 be strong and of good courage for to this people you shall divide as an inheritance the land which I swore to their fathers to give them only be strong and very courageous that you may observe to do according to all the law which Moses my son do not turn from it to the right hand or to the left that you may prosper wherever you go and verse 8 you know we know this instruction this book of law shall not depart from your mouth and you shall meditate in a day and night and you shall observe to do according to all that is written in it for then you will make your way prosperous and you will have good success have I not commanded you now here comes the you know it's reiterating that it's a come on have I not commanded you be strong and of good courage do not be afraid nor be dismayed for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go okay so you see the whole thing happening and it's probably and it's a time of transition and this it's a change of it's a change of leadership it's a change of you know everything the scenario now the land to which they've been journeying to you know is it's right in front of them they go cross over to the Jordan cross over and then and then go and take the thirdly now so we see that the Lord saying you know as I was with Moses so I will be also in this transition the Lord is giving or presenting Joshua with certain things that are not going to change right so certain things that are going to be constants and and that's and and that's something that that we need to you know we need to receive and say okay as I go through this change or as I enter into this season of transition where it seems like there's a lot of change everywhere there's one thing or someone who does not change at all and he is with me right so the Lord is saying you know as I was with Moses so I will be with you also and then he says I will never leave you nor forsake you know and very reassuring words here especially when you're when you're looking behind and when you're looking ahead and you're saying okay this is a great task this intimidating task and so many changes happening and then to encounter the voice of God and to receive this message from God that here is something that is a constant right and and for us today you know also I don't know if you're going through transitions or not but for us today we you know we have this reassurance that that the Lord is the same when things are changing when things accelerating maybe slowing down whatever you know the season is the Lord is the same he says as I was so I will be with you in this season I will never leave I will never forsake and and that's fantastic right to have God say that and to to really reach out and you know have faith and put our trust in him okay so so the thing is this when it comes to transition in leadership right this is one scenario but then there could be other other scenarios where the transition is unexpected you know here it's there's been a kind of preparation in the sense you know Joshua if you if you read Deuteronomy you see that you know he's been prayed over his laid hands and and we see that you know Joshua sorry Deuteronomy 34 and verse 9 we see Joshua son of known was full of the spirit of wisdom for Moses latest hands and did as the Lord commanded so right in front of the people he has actually kind of done kind of a ordination right laid his hands prayed on him and says that he was full of the spirit of wisdom for most had laid hands on him and prayed and so the children of Israel heated and did as a Lord had commanded Moses and so so all this had happened but still I'm sure that this would be when it actually happened when Moses was not there on the scene it would have taken Joshua by surprise right so so also you know transitions in leadership be it's a church maybe it's a ministry sometimes it just takes you by surprise it's unexpected it's not planned and some transition transitions are planned and and even then you know there is this element of you know that change and maybe discomfort and so on I remember this was a year ago when you know when we had the pandemic and the you know the Delta variant a lot of lives were being lost and especially in ministry because pastors were there at the four you know for a lot of things you know meeting people and you know funerals and so on and so so there was this this pastor who passed away you know he was he was not very old but still you know he was quite healthy but then he succumbed to COVID and and so the family was just grasping you know we could you know going through various various emotions you know who will do this who will do that and because it was kind of unexpected so when a transition is unexpected you know it can be very very challenging and also if a transition is unpleasant you know like for example if if a leader or the leadership change has to have to be brought about because maybe of some moral failure or you know as some disciplinary act or some kind of a rehabilitation for the leader so it had to be you know brought in right so they're also things may not be very pleasant right so so here some practical things so this actually this section was most of it was put together by pastor Ashish and it was also in one of our conference that we that we you know we studied this so a lot has come from a personal experience and so it's very practical and a lot of wisdom here right so the first thing to do is to keep our eyes on the Lord keep our focus on the Lord during this times of transition why the reason is simple because well he knows all he's greater than the storms than the the disturbances the turbulence that's happening around sees greater than that he knows all he's greater than that he's infinitely powerful and he's also promised that you know he's he's gonna be the same right his power is not diminished in any way this character has changed in a way so he's always reaching out always available right so so the best thing that we can do is to keep our focus on the Lord even though it can be very very tempting to react to the situation right to to look at situation and then you know to react to it right but the first thing the primary thing is to keep focus on the Lord some 93 3 and 4 the floods have lifted up oh Lord the floods have lifted up their voice the floods lift up their waves the Lord on high is my tear than the noise of many waters than the waves of the sea like the Lord on high is my tear is bigger than the waves than the noise of many waters for us to understand and say yes yeah it's very tempting it's it seems very intimidating but I'm going to keep my focus on you I'm going to keep my eyes on you right so so keeping us so how do we practically do it which means that it's time to really dig in in the sense you know dig your heels in into the ground and say I'm you know follow him closely now yes motions can be you know churning but I'm going to look to the Lord I'm going to you know hear what the Lord is saying I'm not going to turn to the left or to the right I'm gonna make sure that I am in the word right and I'm not doing things in the flesh but all you know currently just you know responding to things but I'm going to be in the Word of God I'm going to be led by the Spirit of God I'm going to be even more careful right now right so that's a valuable thing that's a that's the right thing to do okay so there there'll be many demands to make decisions right demands to make some decisions make some changes make some decisions about the process who's going to take care of that now you know this area of ministry maybe this person was there and this person is not there and you know and so you know who's going to take care of it and how and what about you know what about the reactions of people what about the response of people you know so decisions you know are you going to meet are you going to meet with them are you going to meet with the leaders are you going to so all those things would be there so so all those decisions so when it comes to decisions you know make those decisions out of appearance your heart right so let it not be vindictive let it not be you know in any way out of bitterness or out of hatred whatever you know let it be pure let it be sincere and let it be for the overall good of the of the ministry or of the organization or of the team right so so it's not that I'm protecting myself or you know that's at all you know I will be benefited as a leader or any other reason like that so so the decision is out of pure out of the case so we're looking at difficult transitions here right so we're not looking at plan transitions we just you know just focusing on some let's say if it's a difficult challenging transition okay the third thing is to guard our hearts okay because there are times when when we can allow fear to take over okay we are yes oh well by fear then we will act out of fear best of our decisions are tainted by fear like oh what will that person say what will this person say what will what will happen and you know how and and everything is everything is influenced by fear right so don't let fear enter your heart well it's it's well it's it's easy to say this and difficult it's a difficult task we know thing is don't be overwhelmed you know it's it's it's okay to fear I mean it's okay to feel the emotion of fear right we are we are designed like that then I'm sure that there will be those emotions rising but turn back to the Lord be you know fully immersed in his love right and we see that his perfect love you know us out all kinds of fear right because the context is different for that verse but this is what happens when we when we know that he loves when you know that he's there you know that is he's not going to leave you then we know that we are loved in that situation that casts out fear that puts a you know no entry sign on the on the so the other thing is to guard our heart from maybe some hurts of bitterness right because during a difficult transition it is possible there could be all kinds of communication right we're receiving all kinds of messages maybe from people who are leaving maybe from people who have left maybe from people who are staying like we know that ministry is with people involving people and you know all kinds of perceptions and so on so so there's cause that for us to get hurt right and especially when you hear some things from from the best of people right whom you walked with for many years so there is call there is opportunity or there might be a chance that you get hurt or so if it's an insult or you know and something that is said you know without being without you know that is not thought thought through and so we might get offended there is every opportunity to get offended so to guard your heart again okay out of our heart close the issues of life so guard our heart because when we get hard at this you know in these moments when we when we really want to hear from God but when we get hard when we get bitter we are actually closing out that option or we are you know we are blocking literally or you know we are just trying to we're putting a lot of filters there which we do not want so don't let hurt or bitterness overtake you then the other thing third thing is you know the judgment judgmental condemning and to criticize you know so you know it's the matter this is one such you know this is something which which we need to you know really watch out for because and then you want to you know you want to justify right and you want to condemn all the mistakes that people have done and you want to you know state all communicate all that and sometimes publicly right so don't be tempted to that don't be tempted to be judgmental don't be tempted to come down be tempted to you know criticize right avoid that temptation okay the other thing which happens is that well see you're sometimes you know during this this kind of a difficult transition you're in a place where you're not at the liberty to explain to each and every one right you don't want to bring out the negative things that have happened well in the other person right you you want to guard that person as well you know you don't want to just you know inflict damage and hurt you know inflict any more damage and hurt right well you might have corrected the person and try it corrected the leader and private and you don't want to bring down and you've done it in an honorable manner and you want to leave it at that but then there is this temptation right people are saying I actually you know actually this should have been done it's you know it was too harsh maybe that person should have been given another chance and so on you know without knowing the fact that maybe there are a hundred other chances you were given right and and as a leader you're corrected in private maybe a hundred times maybe 200 times and so the thing is to you know you might be seen as someone who was was done wrong that you're the person who's done wrong and you're not at liberty to explain to each and every person okay this this is what happened this is what I did this is what happened you're not at liberty to do that right so the thing is to let it go and be willing to be perceived okay you can't change perceptions over time well it will it will come to light it will come to light and the Lord will settle back but maybe right now you're not in a place to you know do that so let it go and this is again a difficult thing right because when we look at the Lord Jesus the kind of example that he had that he left for us in the first period to 21 says for to this you were called because Christ also suffered for us leaving us an example that you should follow his steps who committed no sin nor was deceit found in his mouth who when he was reviled did not revile in return when he suffered he did not threaten but committed himself to him who judges righteously okay when he was reviled he did not revile in return when he suffered he did not threaten but committed himself to him who judges righteously you know there are there are time all we can do is commit ourselves to the one who judges righteously commit the situation the circumstance to one who judges right to stay and say Lord I'm I cannot really you know communicate or bring all this out and you are the vindicator you're the one who judges righteously so therefore you know I'm going to let this be okay so excuse me so there are times when one has to do that and take the take that path or take that high ground right instead of you know throwing mud on each and every you know person who is you know was bringing an accusation so instead of doing that we might have to take the high ground and when we see that the Lord has left us an example to do so so so the the vindication right bringing out the vindication well it might it might happen immediately it might not happen immediately maybe it might take some time for that to happen but leave that God can we trust God to bring about can we trust God who you know who who knows all who seen all who knows our heart right our motives our heart he knows inside out so can we trust him to vindicate us and can we trust him to do that in a Romans 12 17 repay no one evil for evil having regard for good things in the sight of all men if it is possible as much as depends on you live piece of leave with all men they love it do not avenge yourselves but rather give place to wrath for it is written vengeance is mine I will repay says the Lord therefore if your enemy is hungry feed him if he's thirsty give him a drink or in doing so you will heap calls of fire on his head do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good okay so leave the vindication setting everything right and you know maybe bringing that that whoever's done wrong bringing that person to task leave that to God okay okay the next one is to stay focused on what's ahead okay what are the goals what is the objective and what is the vision now this is this is going to take a lot out of us right we really have to lean into God we really have to draw strength from the inner man draw strength from from him from from the Holy Spirit who dwells within right and you know and we see the instruction be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might when it talks about supernatural you know ability being strong in the Lord and in the power this month so it talks about supernatural ability to be strong in that to be mighty in that so the thing is to to really tap in right to reach in to reach out to reach in and to stay focused it's you know I think of so many you know scenarios where I've seen this happen where you know where you know strong leaders right just continuing on staying focused and on the journey that's ahead okay what needs to be done now right and not really crumbling down and really inspirational to see that strength right and and to see the focus and to see that okay God we know all this is this is a transition so I'm not going to make this the big picture the big picture is something else well this is happening it's a season of life that's happening but we're looking beyond at what you're pointing to and what you've called us to do right we're looking beyond that and we're going ahead we're journey ahead despite everything's then happening it's it's amazing what what God's fire and what's God's ability can enable us to do right we you know we it's another facet of God's power you know we we think of God's power as okay healing and relevance and signs and wonders and miracles and transformative you know transformation and character and yeah this is another aspect you know of God's power where we can really be overcomers we can live a life of our journey through life with that you know intense focus on his vision on what God has called us to do okay I think the early disciples walked in it and we when we look through church history we see some of them despite many setbacks coming back to that place of saying God what makes let's let's move on and ready and and and when you see Joshua chapter one we see the same thing like God saying okay now arise and go therefore right cross over the Jordan to this land that I'm giving you rise and go therefore so stay focused on the journey that's ahead it's also a time to keep the core team or the team of leaders together okay now here with the leaders you're a liberty to explain the details the good bad and the excuse me so you're to explain to them clearly okay this is the situation let them see where you stand let them see you know maybe there are stakes that you have made and let them see that you know be transparent be open and keep the you know the team together co-leaders together because they are they will actually they are pillars they are they carry the weight of responsibility of of the task of the ministry you know I'm talking about different scenarios of the church of the assignment of the organization so right so keep that team together and and they will in turn you know they will be the strength that you require and also they will also communicate right and explain to others so keep the core team together keep the core team engaged be transparent be open with the core team so this is this is crucial right this is very very important okay convey a singular message meaning okay now this is not a PR exercise to maintain to you know to manage to you know to cover up no well there's no deviation from the truth right do not lose your sense of integrity and moral compass right so stay focused stay you know don't deviate from the truth and yeah so be consistent in being truthful and conveying the truthful you know message that's what it is right so when you say convey a singular message it does not mean that you're deviating from the truth it's not a PR exercise to manage to put out a fire you know and to maintain a reputation even no but what you're communicating there's nothing contradictory it's clear it's it's not confusing and you know we are communicating something which is which is the truth okay okay here are some more things and we'll just quickly go through this appoint the right people to lead or else step in yourself you know now for a season now when if there is a gap in leadership if there is a gap in certain areas now either we can appoint we can delegate and but if that is not possible if that you know the right person is not there then you know then you as a leader would need to step in and do it because it's not something that we it can you know it's not that probably that that area of function or that area of ministry it's not something that can go on autopilot right it requires work it requires you know effort and oversight so either you you can you appoint and you see if there are people who can really take that carry that additional or one has to step in right and do that and maybe it is an additional load it would be an additional load and it will be there for a season right but but that is something that needs to be done okay okay address and answer questions privately and sufficiently okay so well people ask some questions and maybe that needs to be done maybe there are there are they are leaders so answer the questions privately and sufficiently wait things settle down before introducing new things right so now this is not the time to say okay hey this is something that new that we are going to do or you know this is something that we are opening up a new branch or a new you know area of ministry now this is not the time this is time for things to settle down before introducing so so don't don't do that lastly commit your reputation into God's hands right yeah well the Lord knows our hearts right the Lord knows our motives so it's important that whatever decisions that we're taking it comes from appearance into your heart that's why you know we looked at that earlier right so whatever you know guarding our heart and making decisions it has to come from up your and innocence your heart so there's no compromise on that right so so we know that our reputation know how people perceive us well if it's if it's if it's if it's not good don't worry about it like commit that into God's hands because you know for sure that you know you've done the right thing and you know for sure that you know you you've done or you made you've taken decisions out of pure innocence your heart so leave that leave the reputation into God's hands Assam 21 sorry 71 and verse 21 says you shall increase my greatness and comfort me on every side thanks the God's word this is what God's God does best so you know leave that into his hands okay so so this is I know it's it's a you know when we look through this this is since it is challenging transition you know you know it was probably we just dwelt on the negatives right negatives a lot you don't do this don't do this and do this but transitions can be very pleasant as well okay and we're not going into that but transitions plan transitions can be very honorable and pleasant as well where you know so there will be kind of mixed feelings but it can be you know it can be a pleasant and honorable and you know a transition right so so yeah so so that is something for us to you know plan and and do that in a prayerful manner okay so we'll stop here and then take a break before we go over to personal productivity which is a different thing by itself but I just wanted to know are there any questions anything that you want to share on transition maybe your thing that you experienced maybe a good transition maybe a bad transition you know we can we can talk about that anything that you would like to share maybe some observations something that you experienced yeah go ahead say thank you so one experience that comes to mind was in 2016 I was actually part of the team of my predecessor who was the president of the young adults group now before he left I we had lots of issues at the same time we had a great time you know fellow shipping but it's like we had more negatives compared to the positives and they're not taking over I kind of inherited all those things you know the complaints people were not really connecting in the group we have people divided and all that and so inheriting all that when I was going to not be president right there was this tendency to kind of wash off everything that he had done the good things and just kind of put the blame on him oh it's because of him that this is happening it's because of him this is why we are here as a group you know well I didn't do that because I mean I really considered it that why don't we just encourage more of what we've been doing right and then fix what the problem is with all the leaders you know get feedbacks from everyone to lay their complaints because that was one thing we didn't have in the previous leadership was that there were enough healthy feedbacks coming from the people so we didn't know exactly what issues were so we got all those feedbacks we prayed you know we were able to try it from that season to a new season that opened up many and brought up many people into the group and all that so my encouragement basically is that sometimes you might inherit something that oh there were so much issues and all that look for the good things that happened and then prayerfully find a strategy right to you know transit from that level to where God wants you to take the group to or whatever God has called us to lead right right wonderful thank you yeah good wisdom in that and very encouraging thank you so much yeah Chris go ahead yes faster so I think one thing I wanted to just just point out you may have referred to it in your discussion around transition is that this may actually occur more in a kind of a corporate environment but I guess it also could apply in the industry also yeah where during a transition there are there are people maybe among the leadership team or even among you know the second round the third round in leadership who may want to who may want to leave you know corporate at their environment and you know go to one other you know what one other ministry you go to another company primarily because they may be the issues around you know the transition the person who is may have left the organization the leader for example or it could be because you know they're not just not happy with you know the change the new setup and the change right so I think that has to be managed and I still remember I mean I'm talking about in a corporate environment where one of my in the in the in the line of business that I worked in the person who was most most senior actually sorry not not from my line of business from another line of business I he left the organization but he was a very very very senior and immediately I know I in one of the observations you know a lot of people had was that some of the other lines of business the people who are had not been promoted for some time they actually got promoted and you know that that was one way of the way the corporate the corporate environment got managed and then in another sort of situation where my the person I used to put into that person left for some for some personal reasons and therefore you know the person who took over I still remember you know he you know spoke to us as a team and you know told us that you know you know he tried to manage this situation why you know he didn't want other people to leave the organization and this this was sort of like managed in a sense just alright yeah so that's inevitable in the sense there could be some fallout there could be you know for whatever reason I mean definitely you know that's the I mean that's the right time to have you know important conversations with you know with the leaders with with those who are giving oversight to certain different ministries and and have more of that you know you cannot over communicate you know during these times just to find out what's on people's heart and yeah and and so you know answer their questions etc yeah so I remember once when like many years back in the you know the worship ministry there was you know that kind of a change that was happening and so I remember meeting with you know every every person in the team at that time it doesn't you know it was a difficult task in the sense to meet and then go over the whole thing over and again and then you know whatever questions they had it was a sensitive so we couldn't do it as a group so I had to do it individually but to answer you know whatever questions they might have whatever you know fears that they might have to to answer that and and also to talk about okay this is what is the way ahead so yeah so communication at that point is very very important and and they even you know there will be you know beyond over and beyond that there could be certain you know decisions being made saying okay I yeah I hear you but then still I I'd like to go ahead with my decision or you know then just leave it to the individual you know and yeah so people might want to stay might want to go but I think you just need to bless them and go yeah okay we will stop here and then we'll come back at 11 or 5 I have 10 more minutes 10 minutes break thank you so much