 So welcome again this morning in Zaldijkstra, you got up very early to attend this talk because it's on a very interesting... Welcome, good morning, you got up very early to attend this very important talk, very interesting, to be experts and makers, and to be makers and experts. Today we have two people who are thinking quite similar. They are going to talk about Isabel Deschamps and Daniel, welcome. Thank you for being here, it's the first time we are here and I was looking through the door and there were so many people. And I was a little scared, but now I'm happy to be here. First of all, the title of the talk, you may believe that there are in specific situations that want what they have, that improve their things. That they know they want to improvise their situation and that for example engineers cannot solve it. And then we put it together with some makers and work together directly in a co-creation, in a good co-creation. And to see what can be the solutions to change the situation. Then of course it's not on the one hand you have users and on the other hand... That is our logo, our symbol, for active makers in Cichas de Rueras or interested in Cichas de Rueras. Let's say a quick word about us. Last year, I was in Singapore working on something similar. As a poster I developed with people together with that indication light for swimmers and devs. Hi, I'm Isabel. Hi, I'm Isabel. I have training in industrial design and I work a lot in facilitation and co-creation. That's why I work with Daniel because he brings this technical perspective. I brought an interesting example from a project I was working on these years with Martin from Viel. I think these two images describe very well what I do. That is to gather people with very different perspectives around a table. And to participate in a co-creation process to change their environment. These two images have a lot to do with integration. These two images are from a project in a prison where we were developing tools and concepts for integration. But today we're going to talk about another project. Daniel already gave us a little introduction and how we got to this. And this title of gathering makers and experts as to have the power of both perspectives and to take advantage of it. As to achieve a critical mass that can design things in a joint way. With the same wheels we were designing accessories in an open source way. And a few makers that were changing here and there and some designers. They were basically some makers and designers who participated in the process with a state financing. And also with an NGO came from our friend Raul. The inspiration of this project came from a friend, Raul, who bought a 3D printer and started experimenting with it. It seemed very, very interesting to us. We said, wow, there are really many possibilities in using maker technologies. Software, we should have more access to this technology. Some other friends of us were running the Fabler Berlin. Fabler in Berlin and we started the project. And now I would like to give you a very, very short video that tells our plan to give you some insights in the process. And also we will talk a bit about one of our insights about the project. So the video. My name is Raul and I come from Berlin. And I am an activist on inclusion and without walls. And the other things in my point of view are not what they could be, which would be cool. One of my obstacles that I have are lights so that people can see me better at night. My name is Nikolaj and I am a founder of the Fabler Berlin. It is a make-up space and they are all over the world. And we have, wow, take it, take it, take it. I am Hanna, a participant of the project on Made by Wilshire. And, for example, this light. In the project we work in an interdisciplinary team of designers, Porsche drivers and technicians. We started everything on the Megaton 2016, on the make-up fair, where wheelchair users defined what they wanted. For example, in terms of interaction with non-bending people, lighting on the wheelchair, storage space. Everything started in the make-up fair in Berlin and we met different people. And then we started to experiment a little in producing products that could make sense. Here we have some components to make some lights for wheelchair users, which is all open source. And you can change the intensity. There are some for the front, for the back and for the bottom of the wheelchair users. We were testing all the time and improving the process. We wanted things to look good at the end. We wanted things to look like fireworks and cool, which is not something like the hospital. And we wanted things to look good at night when we left. So, what do you think, Lino? Do you want to do something like this? So, come to FabLab and you will know the machines and you can experiment and produce something like this. There is nothing good if you don't do it yourself. So, well... And the audience is going to applaud. How could we continue? So, this video that we produced was to share it with a lot of people as you saw. As you can see in the call at the end. But it took like a year of preparation to get to this point. Or even more time. Basically, we had three phases in this project. The first phase was a phase of exploration, of scouting. So, we were looking for people who wanted to get involved in this project. We spoke to a lot of people from different channels, people who were creative but also had certain skills and certain needs and invited them to come to FabLab to make a first hackathon. And the first phase was also producing a lot of ideas. A bit of brainstorm, of producing a lot of ideas. A very broad one. The second phase was to focus a bit and to start doing something. A lot of iterations and testing. And the third phase was to share these results and instructions. And a lot of things to consider. So, the first day was really about... So, the first day was basically to meet with the group and to understand the needs of this team. Of the seven users of Scissarruedas who came, who joined. How to do this. And we started from scratch. We had no idea which products we were going to need. But we had no idea. We had first visualization that you saw on this right image there. We had four clusters, four different groups of products. And we saw that there was a lot of potential. To find ideas in those four clusters. Especially in transport. Because shopping is really difficult for people. For example, shopping is very difficult for people in Scissarruedas. Or they have an electric wheelchair. Or they have an electric wheelchair. And they have a different speed of people walking next to it. How to bring people on eye level. From the human interaction. How to understand the people who are standing and the people who are in Scissarruedas. Another topic is how to handle... The topic of lighting. And we were in 2016 at the Make-A-Fair. And we invited more people to the table. To share our ideas with other people. And we were prototyping, exploring different ideas. And this whole day. And this whole... And this whole day. And this whole day. A whole day. To find solutions for the people. We also had these little plastic wheelchairs. Small T-shirts. with little models and we had a 3D printer to do small things that would help people. We were physically trying to make stuff and trying imagining things on a small scale of the things that we could imagine to do in the future. We were trying to create different objects. On the left there is a lamp that you could extend for example so that you have something that is illuminated from above. It's like an example. On the left there is a cross-type for having the possibility to have a really wide range. The prototypes weren't the possibility to have a... a thick palette. In the second phase we had discussions and we had to choose some products that we were going to carry forward. One of the things, the first thing is how to try to make the snow, the wheels, some lights and a trolley. They always started with a camp where the whole group was together for one or two days. We were testing things like a month and we were trying to test things. We had some criteria to test and evaluate our results. The users were really interested in how it looks. How it looks from the outside. It doesn't mean that you want to have child-style... Of course, because if you are in a wheelchair you don't necessarily want things from children. And the marker doesn't solve those things. If you are smaller, all the clothes or the things you can get are for children. Of course, the impact was very important. The time and the costs of the product. Because it has to do with accessibility. The products that we designed are really doable in a wide range of fablabs. We wanted to reproduce the products that we were producing so that we could produce the world in other fablabs, for example. Now we want to share some impressions that we had in these camps. We were explaining, we were trying the fablabs machines, we were testing prints, cut-outs. After these phases, we always did intense testing. After the production camp, we were always in a phase of testing the products. I got involved because I was talking a lot with Nicola about the process and I got involved in making lights. As if I was really involved there. There were some very important things. We wanted the boxes to be put in the fablabs and the electronic parts were easily accessible from an electronic distributor. There were other small tricks that were important. For example, where you hook up the light or where you get the energy. These are some examples. Basically, we discovered a good way to do it, which would be the best way to do all of this. Here we have the testing part. There are circular elements. We also brought some straight elements. This only has three parts, a button. But to do this is really a challenge for the boxes to get in without breaking. There were many things that we tried to consider using the fablabs. It's a box made with a 3D printer. The bottom part is very smooth because it touches the hot plate and the resolution is very good. Then you can put gypsies in different ways to remove them again. You can easily hold them and remove them easily. The boxes are designed to be expanded or manipulated from the design of the box. Here you can see the process of making the box. This seems very simple from the point of view of the parts. I would have liked to have more components, like a way of sensing something. Here you can see how easy it is to put them in the case because they always break. There are parts that are not so simple. You can always improve. Here we have different ways of attaching it. We think about rings, zip ties, and so on. Things like belts. This is what we thought would be interesting to have some way to detect the speed of the wheel chair. We started working with BBC bits in there. There is also a German version, which is very similar based on that project. I have 52, so they can communicate with each other. We thought it would be really nice if there were moments where people meet by accident, that have these lights, and then suddenly there are special effects that started once you meet the other people. The light below the wheel chair is connected to a temperature sensor. It is connected to something that shows the temperature, that shows if it is cold. There are some things that we could continue to develop. Here in Dusseldorf, they make such a thing even with the prepared cases in advance by soldiers. They don't have a soldiering experience and do this every day. We wanted to have more time to separate ourselves one day. The batteries we wanted to have outside, because it is easier, but also because you could plug directly into the electric wheel chairs, which have direct USB ports, which have power banks included in the wheel chairs, which are individually adaptable. To really distribute the information about this product, we wanted to price for that last week, we also set up a website with all the outputs. We started doing workshops on how to build the lights and also another product. We started doing this on fairs, and we also constructed some instructions, very simple ones, to make FabLabs know about the possibility. We are also educating FabLabs in the world, saying that you can make workshops without barriers or with people with disabilities. FabLabs can also be used for these reasons. If you can buy all the components online, at home it's not the same thing. If you join a FabLabs or in a space that is dedicated to you or an organization like yourself, you can join people and make a local event with people who are really affected. The experience is much richer than doing it with people. We already started working on that. We really figured out the potential to bring together makers and users and makers. We really would like to start working on a platform that brings interaction between these two groups of people, in order to have feedback from the people and the products that already exist. There are a lot of platforms online, but it doesn't seem to cover these needs. If someone has experience from open source software development, we also want to invite people who have experience from hardware or software open source who can share their experience to open the process and invite people to compete for different experiences. There is a way that people don't have to physically necessarily come together, but one can do it. For example, you can join this platform without being physically joined by people. It happens where one really knows what it's for, who it's for, and what it's trying to solve. It also gets feedback after. The idea is that people who are going to use it can give them feedback on how they were. So we invite you to get involved in this project. We have some stickers and posters and now we can have a discussion or ask some questions. Or maybe not. But it seems that we don't have time, but we are there on the fair and we invite you to connect in person with us. There is a question. First thing would be... Thank you very much for the talk. The first question is... Thank you very much for the talk. We have time for like one question. Okay. The first question. Can we put a microphone over there? Three or four? Three or four. Are you taking the microphone? Not again. Actually it's not a question, but it's also... Well, this is not a question, but an explanation or a... I have seen that there are many... I have seen that there are many wheelchair users here. There are people who use wheelchair users without having the need to use it. I think it's like mainstream in this event you use and you make mistakes and that concludes some of my ideas. There are many things coming up in these days. There is your project and there is the accessibility. There are different projects. There are camps of help and different events that people gather and there are projects that people gather like users and people who make them. And I have hope that it will continue in this direction. A question I have is if you offer a workshop in the CCC. Because I would be very interested in building a light for my Ciceroera in the event. We don't have a workshop prepared because we didn't think about it. But over there we invented something and we gather. I don't know if we have all the parts there at the moment, but over there we could think and collaborate. There will be a workshop on the 20th of January. We have a workshop in the Fabla-Pentelín. We invite you to participate and also to tell other people who might be interested. Thank you for the question and thank you to the two who presented their project.