 Big shit. It's a unique hustle nigga. Big shit. Big shit. Big shit. Name another podcast like this. Check it. Check it. Check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy ECO and I'm here with the lovely, amazing, outstanding, most dedicated wife you could have. She in the building, man. The official Miss Jamaica. What's going on? None. None. You know my dad walk on. And guess what, man? Guess what? What? Man, we got a guy in here today who don't need an induction really because he been busy. You done seen him. If you be watching, man, if you love wrestling, if you really tapped in though, you gotta be tapped in. Most of y'all don't really love wrestling. Most time it's the women and the children that love wrestling the most. You niggas ain't tapping in like y'all need to be, man. But anyway, boy, I got tempo is in the building. What's going on? What's up, man? What's up? Thank you for having me. Man. Listen, man, you wanted the dopest dudes, man, but I know how we do it, man. You know, just, you know, watching your movements been a great thing, man. We want to understand like who you are, how you got into wrestling. We want to understand what what give you the audacity to be jumping up, getting hit in the camera, all that good stuff. We want to get into it, man. But before you get into that, take us back to where you're from, how you grew up, family, the whole works. Let's go. All right. So I'm from a small town in West Texas called Loverland, Texas. OK, I'm from a come from a big family. There's eight of us, got four sisters, three brothers. And coming up, my older siblings was very much in the wrestling. So when I was a I remember when I was a baby, I don't remember a lot of things, but I do remember wrestling been on the TV. And never since then I was hooked. So you're the middle child? No, I'm the second to the youngest second to the youngest. Oh, so you can you're like a baby boy. You know, I was for 14 years and my little sister came out of nowhere. How did you feel about that? You know, I was a little surprised at first, but I love it. So it's all good. It all worked out great. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we had to get you on the show, man. And you know, I didn't want to say it, you know, but he is family. So we want to get that out there. So keep that understood when you're seeing that he rolling with boss talk. But anyway, man, just tell me a little bit about like the first time you knew that this was something. Well, you you're a preacher's kid. Yeah. How was that growing up? It was it was cool. He by the time he got to us, he was really dove in it hard when, you know, when you first get into preaching, that's what a lot of people do. He got into a heart. So the first three siblings was around it way more by time it got to us. We had to go to church on Sunday and Wednesday. But that was pretty much it. But it wasn't like a lot of people think a lot of people think we was having to read the Bible every single day. And, you know, he was just training y'all to take over his footsteps of being preachers. He wasn't right. They think that he went in hard, everything. But it's I mean, we get that stereotype because it is what it is. We preachers kids, but we didn't really it wasn't really like that in the house. You know, we had a lot of freedom, you know, I mean, we weren't disrespectful or nothing like that. But at the same time, we could still go out and do stuff and and just be just don't get in trouble. Don't do nothing crazy. But other than that, it was pretty normal. What do you feel about the saying where people always say preachers kids are always the worst? I don't like I said, I think it's a stereotype. But I get it. I think it just depends on how how hardcore it was pushed on you because you're going to rebel at some point. Everybody's going to rebel and try to fight against what they were told was always right because they got to go out there and find out for themselves. You know, you don't get burned till you testify yourself. But we like I said, it wasn't that controlled in the house. So we always have freedom. So I don't I don't think we too bad. And I mean, none of us really out there crazy in jail. So I think he did a good job. I mean, it wasn't out there crazy in jail. Jail ain't that bad. They're crazy in jail. You ain't got to be crazy. Go jail. You could have been framed. That's true. That's true. But I meant the crazy part. If you're crazy with the jail, not the frame part, if you frame, you know, that's all the innocent people in jail right now. Let's stop them up. Get a lawyer. Get a lawyer. We got one coming up. Get a lawyer for that. Listen to this interview. Get ready. I know you said that we're a residence concern. You know, your older brothers used to watch wrestling and that's how you got into it. It was actually my older sister, actually, really. Really? Yeah, she was in joy. It was a big part of it. Yeah, she loved wrestling and she would always be watching it. Did she ever beat you up? She was watching it. Nah, she didn't do that. She wasn't. You know how as a kid, when you watch, you be like, I can do that. Come on, let's go outside and play. Oh, yeah. So we had a lot of, when me and my brothers, we would always do it. Our cousins, we had big families. So every time we would be practicing wrestling moves and I got to be an uncle at a very early age. So I had a lot of nieces and nephews to practice on, you know, drop the elbow every once in a while, getting in trouble. But nothing to that. So you got beat up a lot? Yeah, I mean, just in the family, it just, it was rough and you grew up around a lot of cousins and your boys and you're going to fight sometimes, you're going to do stuff, you know? But I wouldn't say like beat up, but you know, roughed up a little bit. Ruffed up, yeah. Oh, okay. So when did you decide that this is what you wanted to do full time? So I always knew I wanted to do it, but I think at 14, I really knew, like, all right, I got to, like if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it. So I started looking into schools, looking in where I should go, the top wrestling schools to get trained at. I started working in the summers. You had wrestling schools? Well, yeah, I said, you got to go to a certain school or, you know, academy to go and get trained. Yeah, a lot of people don't know that. They think you just kind of end up there, but it's like anything else. It's kind of like a trade or a craft. You got to go somewhere to learn it, you know what I mean? Then you got to get out there and jump in the market of it. I want to know, because growing up, I used to love watch wrestling, right? And as a child watching wrestling, you're thinking that everything is real, like all of this is real. I don't want to talk about that just yet. Why not? I'm just messing with you. That's what you always do to me. I'll just give it back to you. Oh, well, well. No, I'm going back and forth. He's trying to set up a little wrestling interview right here and I'm going to mediate it right now. I'm just kidding, man. I always thought that everything was real, but as, you know, I got older and people are like, no, that's not real. They be acting. How much of it is real? How much of it is acting like? Well, it falls under an umbrella of entertainment, you know, for a reason, but it is definitely a, it's, I mean, I'm feeling everything when I'm in there. You know, you get roughed up. You got to build the calluses to it. So that's why you go and get trained, but it's, it's very hard on the body. And I think people, I don't know when they say fake, I don't know exactly what they mean. And that's what I said. Like acting, you know, like how you have like stunt doubles and all that, the movies and all that. No, I'm doing everything. You see me get picked up in slam and get thrown off the top rope. So you really get thrown off the top rope like, bam. Yeah, and we got to understand, we live in front of people. So we don't, I don't got a time to, hey, stunt double coming where, you know, you got a crowd of people out there watching you. So it's, so much people get confused because it's so, they don't know, right? So when you don't know, you just start to go off what you hear, what they heard, what your uncle told you, what your brother told you, what their friend said, they saw this wrestler do. But no, I mean, if you ever go to a show, you will kind of see it. Like you said tonight, y'all going out. But eventually I'll be back in Dallas and y'all going to come to a show and you will be like, hold on, let me ask. It's padded, right? It's really padded. I'd be thinking about somebody holding somebody from up here and throwing them down. I'm like, how do you not get like seriously fired? You talking about the ring? Yeah, the ring. No, no, no. It's a little padded in there, but it's pretty much just plywood and metal and a little pad. Yeah. Somebody doesn't get like really hurt. I don't know, man. I really, I watched the real stump down, dusty roads. Okay. Son of the plum. Yeah, I'm a junkyard dog. I remember him. Hold on, man. I remember the hook. Big cat in and lad. I remember, you know, the grappler. The first one, Eric Neum, better put that here. I remember him. I'm a real stump down wrestling fan, to be honest with Buddy Landell. Yeah. He's throwing out some lies. Michael Hayes and Terry Gardin. Free birds. I'm talking about the free birds. Yeah, I'm a real stump down wrestling. See, y'all don't really know Iceman. Y'all don't know nothing. Look, man, I really watch wrestling. Right. No, you tell them. I really do this. Like I will have a wrestler and put him in the, I didn't jake the snake, the nigga and put him down, you know what I'm saying? I DDT'd a few niggas in my life. You had the snake with you? Well, yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. You did not. I really know about you. You did not. Didn't have to just show you, I really know about wrestling. He was throwing out some legends out there. You don't really understand. I could keep going to be honest with you. Okay, go ahead. I'm really out of the free birds. I was more of a Terry Gardin. I liked a big dingle den. Really pressure, you see. This is how I come out in the interview. I do this right here. I really love wrestling. You know what I'm saying? I didn't like it when, you know, certain things happen because I've, they cut it off and you have to wait a whole week when you're in the country. We didn't have the three channels. Oh, okay. You know, it was pretty bad, but I just enjoyed it. So what is new in wrestling now that's different from back then? Oh man, it's just a whole new world because the world has evolved so much, but you got different styles. You got different types. Now there's, you know, you can go to, like a lot of people go to Japan, but all this stuff, when you didn't have the internet, you have to kind of see it through video tapes and you have to either hear about it or read about it, but now everybody can see the whole thing. So it's just a lot more of a faster pace because it's been done so much and now you're on the entertainment channel and you got to compete with other entertainment. So it goes up, it goes down the levels. You're going to see more athleticism, more. I don't think so. Nigga put the big thumb for you, nigga. To see more athleticism? Yeah, I think it's probably because they get down to people. Nigga for nigga, like by Ted DeViasi, man. What are you trying to say? I'm just saying these was tactics they was using. I can't see how it would be more physical now than it was back then. I think it may have been more grud, grud, grud. It may be more strategic now. Well, I think back then too, the schedule was completely different and they were doing it a lot more, but they'll go to certain territories. Nowadays, once you get a contract, you're doing it a lot of days. The top guys are the contracts. You're probably working 320 days out the year and that's concluding traveling and wrestling and that's when you get to that top level. So it's definitely hard on the body, but way more harder on the mental because now you're doing it for a global audience rather than just your territorial audience. How long does it take to get to that level? It's different for everybody. Entertainment, so this is the thing. You can be real good. You know, I was telling somebody from football, if you run the 40 time, you get a good 40 time, you catching out there in the combine, you doing good, you're gonna go to an NFL team. Are they gonna look at you? Here, you could be the best wrestler inside the ropes, but then if you ain't got the talking part down or the entertainment part down. So it's entertainment. So you have to be all rounded, individual. And then it just, if you fit the criteria for what they're looking for at the time too. So you talked about going to school, so when you went to school for it, they don't teach you all of the other parts, like the talking part and everything else to get you groomed to go? Yes, some do, some don't. You mainly are there to learn the fundamentals and learn the language. It's like I can go wrestle somebody in Japan and we don't speak the same language, but there's certain things that we would do in there to where we would know. Cause wrestling is a universal language. So you go to, so you understand what that is and how to, you know, we call it bumping, but how to fall properly, how to pick somebody up. Cause the whole deal is you're working together in there. You're working together to tell the best story cause we just tell stories with our body. We're no different than rappers or actors. So what stories you tell with your body? It's storytelling, you know what I mean? If there's a big guy versus a small guy, you gotta tell that story, the David and Goliath story. If there's somebody that's a good wrestler versus somebody that's a brawler, you gotta tell that story. So there's multiple stories. I've never thought about it as a story before. No, I definitely get it. I understand the concept because you're entertaining. So you wanna make sure you captivate, you really wanna make sure you captivate the audience that you're in front of. So I definitely understand how that could be a thing. Yeah, and you wanna make it to where it's more, if you know, like I said, if you have a five, six guy that's 180 pounds versus a six, three guy that's 250 pounds of muscle, you're gonna have to tell that story different than 250, you know, 250 pound guys in there. So if it's two big guys, there's gonna be a different fight than a big guy and a small guy. Right, that's true. How many, or if there's an underdog compared to the big guy, you know? Yeah, you gotta have your underdogs. It's all about stories. It's all about storytelling. It's like every movie, you kinda know how it's gonna end, right? But you wanna see how the character evolves and how it gets to the destination at the end of the story. How many years have you been doing it? I've been doing it for, in June, it'll be nine years. Wow, and how far, okay. So what are the levels of doing it? Because when you think about wrestling, everybody just watch WWE, but I know there's other promotions out there, right? That you have to go through before you get to that, or can you just leave straight from school and go to that, or do you, or can you not go to school and get in? Well, see, everybody has a unique way of getting in the business. There are some people in the business who were never trained, never went to a wrestling school, but they got to go to WWE and then get under their performance center, under their umbrella. It's nowadays, they're getting it from all angles. So they will go in, they even just did a college thing. I don't wanna promote them too much, but they're getting college athletes who are not going to go further along and go pro. So they'll say, well, hey, you have a good look. We probably can market you this way, come and try this wrestling thing out. So it's a bunch of different ways how to get into it. It's not just one way how to get into it. It's not one size fits all. It's not, you go here, it's entertainment. But isn't it also? Because you could be like a rapper, a rapper can come out one week and then he can go viral and then boom, he's on top. Some rappers that've been in the game for 20 years, they never had the radio play or anything like that. Not that they're not good enough. It's just the opportunity didn't come accordingly. It's all about networking too, it's who you know. Yeah, that's a big deal, yeah. So where do you see stuff going after this? Or what's your next stage you go to after WWE? Is there another stage after that? Or is this the final like it before a retirement? It depends on where you can get a contract. There's multiple promotions out there right now. You have WWE, you have AEW, you have Impact, you have Ring of Honor. What's the biggest? WWE, by far. Yeah, WWE is McDonald's in the game. Right, that's why I was like after WWE, that's when I would think that you would retire. Well no, you don't necessarily retire because it's kind of like the NFL, not for long, you in there for four seasons in, you out. As your brand, you want to get to WWE and maximize your audience, the people that see you. But let's say you get to WWE for four years and now you're 35 when you're out, you can still wrestle. So you can go maybe to the second big promotion or you can make your own schedule and do appearances, do autograph signings. It's very an independent business once you're not under contract. Or if you like to rock, he branch off into movies after that. There's a lot of people that's doing that right now too, branching off into acting. Yeah, doing some background work and stuff like that. Let me ask you something. So the T-shirts and stuff that, I see a lot of them promoting and stuff. Do you have a brand that you're pushing as far as your T-shirts and your apparel? Are you asking me personally? No, I don't. We need to get that done. Yeah, for sure, because I'm definitely looking forward. Yeah, you're talking to the right person today. We need to start figuring that out because that way when you go out, you'll have people represent the brand more. Because you're a brand because to do something for nine years, you have a following and that following will invest in your brand, of course. Facts, yeah. So I like that. I just was thinking about that. But yeah, who did Joy like though? Answer the quote. Go ahead and say what you like. No, I was just gonna say it's different because when you're independent, you gotta find at the time, you're looking for somebody who do your shirts, but maybe this person do them this way. Maybe you need them by this. So if you could find a good source to do it, then that's better. But you say who did Joy like? Yeah, who did she like? She liked Sting, man. She loves Sting. I remember that. Why do I remember that? I shouldn't remember that because Sting ain't all that. No, no, no. Because you probably remember her yelling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm gonna be honest with you, man. Ain't nobody just, R.I.P. the junkyard dog. Nobody ever did it like the dog, the J.Y.D. He did some great things in the Louisiana Territory back in the day. He was the champ back there. He used to fill up arenas out there, man. Yeah, I liked the Undertaker. Well. And he just went into the Hall of Fame last night. Along with Booker T wife, Miss Charmel, shout out to Queen Charmel and Booker T. They just got into Hall of Fame. Man, so what are you expecting tonight out of just entertaining? What are you looking to accomplish out of this? Oh man, so right now what's happening is, let me kind of just put it in context. It's WrestleMania. So when WrestleMania goes to any town, WrestleMania takes over, but all the wrestling, all the other promotions are gonna come here because you have fans from all over the world that's already here. So what we're doing is, this is a New Texas Pro Wrestling and I was actually one of the founders of this promotion as well. So we're doing a show at 12 o'clock midnight, right after WrestleMania. It's like the after party because all these fans are here for the weekend and they're looking to get all wrestled out. So there's gonna be, there's just been multiple shows going on, some that's been going on since like 10 a.m. this morning, like down there. So it's, that's what it is. This is probably gonna be the most wrestling crowd you're gonna be in front of. And we just wanna, you know, put our flag in the ground and show them what New Texas is about. How many times do they ever come to Texas? Or Dallas? WrestleMania. WrestleMania, they probably came, they were here, I think, about three or four years ago again too. And with COVID, it was, I don't know if they were expected to be here as much, but they did redid it again because they're standing in the South more than they're going up North. Oh really? Yeah, because a lot of places, I mean, you know, like California and stuff is burly opening up really. So they did a lot of contracts after moving down here. But now they're traveling out. I think, I don't know their schedule, probably in the next couple of years, they'll be back up there. Man, you know, you just delight, man. I'm very proud of you to be affiliated with you. You to come and bless Boss Talk 101 and sit in front of this August panel. You know what I'm saying? We basically put a lot of people in that seat. And we just love to interview guys like you, people who've been grinding, who stay consistently doing something and being true to it. Most people don't stick with nothing. You know that. I mean, it's not easy to stick to something and know that this is what you're going to do. And how did you know that wrestling was the thing that you really loved? Man, you can't explain it. It's just that feeling that you get and you don't want to be without it. You want to stay constantly into it. And I just knew, man, I went to a junior college and out there where my hometown was and I was just like, man, this ain't it. You know, I'd rather do something I'm gonna love than, you know, come and sit down and act like until I know what I want to do. So I took that, you know, that financial aid money and I put it towards wrestling. So I still go to school with it, just not to school that up, you know. Are you a mama's boy or a daddy's boy? Man, I'll probably say I'm a mama's boy. Okay. What you expect? Well, are you just never know because at the end of the- Baby boys? Well, it don't matter. My, you know, I've seen different, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but our boy stuck over there with you, but yeah, that don't mean everybody doing it like you doing it. She got our boy's boy. That's why she say they baby boy baby boy. Whatever. But they go off the titty for a minute and get some work done. You know what I'm saying? But no, I want to know. So if they're aspiring wrestlers watching right now, right? Some kids who grown up are like, man, that's what I want to do. And what city, because you know, like for acting, people are always like, well, I go to California and New York if I want to be an actor. Where exactly would you advise a person to be if they wanted to wrestle? There's a good number of schools right now that's also affiliated with some top promotions, but you got down in Houston Booker T school. That's a good one. You got, there's a couple of schools in San Antonio. There's so much schools that are, it's not really one place. I would just say do your research and understand who they've trained and go look at it and then go spend some time and some money and go there for a couple of days and go look at it. And if you think it's legit, but you shouldn't know it's legit if you do your research. Do these schools help you to get exposure after graduation? Some, but once you kind of done, you know, it's up to you. It's an independent world and independent contractor. So you got to get out there and you got to grind. You know, ain't nobody going to hold your hand to the promised land. You got to get out there and do it. What titles have you ever held? I've held multiple. I've held the television championship at a reality of wrestling. I held the Texas wrestling entertainment championship. I've had the Inspire Pro champion who actually has a show before us tonight. And then I just got done holding the WCWF championship out in California. Which one have you held for the longest? Ooh, probably the Inspire Pro championship. How long have you held that one? That was a good year. A good year? Yeah, a good year. And it knocked you off your reign after that. And it knocked me off. Yeah, it's a, and it's weird too cause some shows happen once a month that some happen twice a month. It just depends on the show but most shows are once a month so. Okay. In that frame, yeah. If you go back and ask yourself, what are one of the biggest mistakes that you made? You could see that in wrestling, you're like, dang, I shouldn't have did this but I've done it. And you learned from it of course. Right. It was something that you, it may have, you were like, dang, kind of rethought about it. I would probably say it was when you're around people who are of, at a certain, at a high level, never be discouraged to ask them a question, never be discouraged to network, get emails, get phone numbers, worst they can say is no. But then if they say, yeah, you got access to some people that's willing to help you out or, you know, things like that. So I always say, just make sure you're networking because that's a big deal. That's what you said, it's about who you know and that's huge. Well, see the thing, yeah, but I always, we call it the same thing. It's about how you stand on the stage that God provide to you. Right, right. You see what I'm saying? In walks of life, you always are presented with different situations and you have to prepare yourself to be able to understand when you always, it's a stage. So when I'm standing on a certain stage with certain individuals, what am I gonna do to capitalize off of that moment? Exactly. That's what you're saying. Right, right. That's what we try to do because you never know who you're gonna be in the front of and you gotta be prepared for that. And a lot of times, prayer is what help you to understand who your self-awareness and prayer helps you to be stronger when different situations are presented to you. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, 100%. Because you gotta know inside of you that you belong in a place that you are. A lot of time it's because of insecurities that make you feel somewhat not able to go up and ask that person for a number or not able to go up and ask that person for maybe a email or just interacting with that person cause you're looking at yourself as if you don't belong. Right, and that's a big deal. You just can't be insecure. You gotta, and like you said, if you don't feel like you're supposed to be there then ain't nobody else gonna feel that feeling for you. So do you have a signature move? Yes I do. It is called paying dividends. What is it? Paying dividends. You gotta look it up cause it's hard to explain. I'm sitting down in the chair but there's videos out there of it. I'll show you some stuff and then next time, you know what I mean? You ain't gonna show me? I can show you, man. You ain't fit to show even a bit. You say you don't go to a show? I got you, man. I'll show you. I don't even know how to do it. I don't want it done on me. You can do it on him. Paying dividends. Do it on Trey, my son. Come in for a second real quick, Trey. Take that, take a head off. I was joking. You for real? Nah, nah, nah. Just trying to show me. Pop that nigga on the floor. Put that nigga down in the lock and bop that nigga to the floor and push his head down. What'd he do? Why, he in trouble or something? I don't know. I just want to see it. Nigga, I want to see action. I'm about that action. You know what I mean? Mess up this beautiful place, man. Nah, nah, nah. We need to get remodeled in a week or so anyway. So, hell, let's start now. You know what I'm saying? I'll show you on the video. That's my cuss. I can't do my cuss like that. It hurt like that, Manly. What are you doing to these people? You know, you gotta do what you gotta do to get that one, two, three, man. So, how hard is it to find a signature move, though? Because it's got to be hard. Yes, so many people in there that how do you not replicate somebody else's move? That's the hard part. And that's the biggest problem today is a lot of, it's so much out there that you can kind of copycat and a lot of stuff. So, and you just don't want to do a lot of moves that people are already doing on TV. But I could have a move all day, right? But the person gets the TV and he do it. I can never meet them. It's wrestling, you know what I mean? It's kind of like when a comedian tells the same joke but they don't know each other. It's just in the same realm. Wait a minute. I used to see Ted D. Bell. I see he load the glove up back in the days. Oh, yeah, I gotcha. Yeah, he'd stick that pen. I don't know what he put in there. Use that metal. But boy, when you put that thing, that mill in there and boy, and he hit you. Boy, them niggas would fall out. Boy, I loved it. Be be mad. No, he's doing it. You know he's doing it. The referee not seeing it. Boy, I've been laughing so hard. That's some of the best stuff. And that's another part of the story. You know, the ref is in there and you know, the more legit the ref is, the better the story is, right? Yeah. I'm gonna tell you that. I'll say you have crooked refs. Yeah, heck yeah. I mean, you can. But if you have a neutral ref, it's better. But something ain't crooked. Something's just, if you got a distraction going on, if you don't see it, you know, you play basketball. There's a little bit. They didn't see that. They didn't see that double dribble every once in a while. You know what I mean? They didn't see that post every once in a while. Yeah, they can't see everything. Like something that intimidates you when you feel aroused with somebody or you feel like, damn, it's gonna be, how many of you got serious? Cause that's a lot, man. It can be. Like serious, serious. Like when a person see you, they like, I don't like that dude. It can be. I mean, but if you're professional and you put yourself in that environment, that energy, if you're professional, then you shouldn't have any problems. But I don't know. If you do something to somebody and you say something, then maybe you're gonna have to get in there and have a problem. Just be prepared. You know what's hard for me to see? Like knowing you, cause when you see wrestlers, they have to know how to trash talk. Right. I don't see you trash talking. There's ways to trash talk though. You don't gotta trash talk in such a demeanor. You could be a side talking about it. You can give backhanded compliments. There's a lot of different ways that you could do it, but I'm trash talked in my day. What is your most memorable moment of trash talking? And what did you say? My most memorable moment of trash talking. What I do is when the crowd be, if I'm not feeling a certain place, I'm the bad guy. And I'll have the good guy down and they be chanting his name, but then I shut it down, then I'll start chanting his name. That's dope. And they look at you and they get behind it too though. But I'll be on them, but I'll just be out there laughing at them, pointing to them. I'll be like, oh, this you? This is what you was cheering for? You know what I mean? So stuff like that. And once you see it in your environment, it makes it all that much better. What's the craziest thing a fan ever done while you was out there doing your thing? Like to me or like? To you. To you. Nah, I mean, I haven't had too much crazy fans trying to do anything. What have you seen? Something that you like, dang, I can't believe that happened. Man, a lot of shows that I was at, I haven't really seen too much fans jump in. When I jump in, but maybe say something, maybe do something, something might have happened that night. Oh, okay. So we was in Louisiana at one point and there was this wrestler and his name is Gino Medina, a real good guy. He's actually probably about to get signed too. But we was in Louisiana and we was out there, man. And that crowd started chanting Donald Trump. So that's, yeah, that was different. I was like, oh, okay. It's like that for real out here. So it was, you know. Wow, man, that's dope. I really enjoyed this here in the stories like that because those are the moments that make people love what you do to be honest with you. Those are intensified moments where, dang man, it's a real, it's entertainment. So at the end of the day, it's a good thing. Any smoke is good smoke to me. Like bad, good, whatever, just let's keep it going. But that's what I think too. But we're getting in the world now where it's everything is getting censored and it's hard to, you know what I mean? I don't have no problem with what you say to me. You bought that ticket a few out there, but it's, everybody is different. I can't tell you what to get offended for and then I can't tell you what's too much. And you kind of got to know, you know, at the same time, but some people can get vicious with it. What misconception did you have about wrestling before you started going to the school or starting doing this when you were a child and you was watching wrestling? What misconception that you had? And then when you went in, you're like, oh, it's not like that. Okay. Misconception, I would probably say, I thought that I was going to be at the time but wrestling has changed a lot since then. But I thought I was going to be like a real small guy in the business and I'm not one of the smaller, I'm like a medium advertised guy, but I was always thinking in my head, like I got to work out more, get bigger, get bigger. So you thought everybody in there was big? Yeah, I thought everybody in it was a lot bigger than big, you know what I mean? But that's not necessarily the case. Okay, okay. And just real quick tonight at the New Texas, but we're at the, yeah, where is it? It's the St. Jude Hall in Arlington, 12 a.m. is when it's starting, it's called Cowboy. 12 a.m.? Yeah, it was like it's the midnight, so it's after WrestleMania. So we, like I said, all these wrestling fans are looking for a place to go. It is different. So Cowboys From Hell is the tonight show and you have like Brian Keith and Brian Keith is the guy that comes from Booker T's reality wrestling school as well. And he is actually sponsored by Swiss House. Oh wow. Yeah, he comes out to still tipping. So he's gonna be something. Y'all gotta get a chance to watch it. What song you come out to? Turn Down For What. Oh, All The Time. That's what you always- All The Time. Yeah, they call me Mr. Turn Down For What. I like that. That's a good song to come out to. What's top three wrestlers of all time did or lie? Ooh, all time, man. Number one. Top three. What are we talking? We're talking about just my top three. Your top three is you, man. Top three that you feel that you love the most. And the reason why? Number one. Number one, I'll probably say Shawn Michaels. Shawn Michaels, why? His in-ring ability is out of this world. If you know what you're doing in there and you understand what the wrestling game is, I do think that he did it the best and he did it the best with a lot of different opponents and he did it the best in a lot of different matches. Number two. Number two. I'll probably say Bret Hart. Bret Hart. Bret Hart was a very good technician. Comes from a wrestling family. When I think of a champion, I think of Bret Hart because he was just such a good dude and he was such a good role model for people. Wow. Number three. And this can be any, it can be a male or female. It doesn't have to be male. I got you, I got you. A female, not a female. Yes, there he is. They don't work hard enough. There's a lot of, they gotta do more. Man, top three. I'll probably say Booker T, man. He's up there for me and he's became, not only because he became a good role model for me or somebody that I could talk to, but just all he did and the, I was telling somebody that he would probably never know how much he means to black kids growing up. And he knows, but I don't know if he knows how much it impacted so much black wrestlers and his people and getting to see him on TV and people, you know, he looked like us and he was out there doing this thing. And so I just, and he's a great dude, great energy. Right now he's doing a family thing. He's a great father, great husband. He's running a school out there and he's always looking to help out the new generation. So I'm gonna put Booker T right there. No, man. Thank you for coming on the show, man. Shout out Kamala. I think they say he got it dead cut off or something. I don't know, but anyway, you know, I'm going down with that. Y'all don't remember Kamala, but the people who are real deep wrestling fans know who Kamala was and yeah, so I had to say that. Good dude. Have you ever done tag team? Yeah, yeah, I was in tag team belts, but I was in the tag team a couple of different ones. Brian Keith, the one I just named, I was with him at Booker's, but I love tag team wrestling. Tag team wrestling is such a different story you could tell and there's so much more going on and people, yeah, you know, now the attention is a little bit more on the ref because there's more chaos, there's more people, you gotta keep order. It's crazy. I love going tag team. I may be sneaking and trying to get in and trying to do a whole bunch of stuff that shouldn't be there. Yeah, you gotta watch out for it. It'd be entertaining. Do you, I mean, you being in wrestling and everything, you can't just go out here and whoop nobody because you'll get in trouble. Gotta say you're trained. Yeah, you're trained fighter. With your fist. So a real person come up to you like one of my home, boys come up here and get at me and you can't even help me. No, I mean, I'll help you. That's self-defense. That's family defense right there. I'll help you, brother. No, I mean, yeah, I guess it's not trained in the sense of MMA, but most people, I would advise you not to go up to a pro-wrestler and try to start some stuff. I would advise you not to do it. If an MMA and a pro-wrestler get in the ring, who would win? What ring? And they ring. You don't matter. What ring? Were we in the MMA ring? Okay, MMA fighter would win in the MMA ring. Yeah. And a wrestler you feel would always win in the wrestling ring? Well, I don't know what we, and when we come in there, he's gonna be doing everything he's doing in the MMA ring. Well, you gotta look at like Brock Lesnar, you know, he'd been champion at WWE and champion in UFC, you know? There's a lot of people that go back and forth from the switch. So I think it just dependent on the people. It's not necessarily dependent on the, you know, cause some people know more than others. I don't know if we talking about that. A big person versus a small person. So I'll just keep it at that. Let me ask you, what's your handle if people want to get a hold of your own? I'm Terrell Tempo on Instagram and then I'm Tempo Terrell on Twitter. So just switch the name around. I hope we did you justice on Boss Talk 101. It was great. Yeah, it was an honor, man. Yeah, no, it's, man, thank you for coming on this show, bro. Like I said, man, we just been doing this a little over a year consistently. And we just love having you here. You wearing that Boss Talk like no one has ever worn it before. Oh, we taking some pictures. You're the first one with the green on the Boss Talk. You're the first one in nobody else. You're the first wrestler we've had in the world. You're the first, you're like, soldier boy, you did it first. I'm big, I did it first. Hey, soldier, you didn't do this first. I was on Boss Talk in the wrestling ring at the same time, but come at me, soldier. Big Draco. Man, that's it, man. Thank you so much. Is there anything else? Thank you for coming on this show. We love you, brother. Thank you, man. I do want to say thank you not to cut you off and this is beautiful what y'all got going here. I see the hustle and the grind in it and it's only gonna get better. Thank you so much, man. Hey, man, that's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101 with a Boss Just Talk. There we are. Thanks.