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Yeah, we got any church announcements I know Andrew Andrew using Australia, right? Yeah, I was in Australia, man. Thanks everybody who came out to the shows in Australia That was absolutely insane. That was a you know to to touch on something We're gonna get to later on the the podcast a humbling experience, man We we had a literally we saw that every show while we were out there We added shows I mean it was it was really really fucking cool. It was cool to go out there to Australia Australia is an interesting place closest place I've ever been to America Mm-hmm in terms culture like even more American than Canada really yeah, they are American as fuck But you're 30 it takes 30 hours to get there What does it say about me and you know, we got my guy Ryan Holliday. He's one of my my favorite authors, you know He wrote a ego is the enemy obstacle is the way trust me. I'm lying. I read his daily stoic every day He's got a new book out called stillness is the key We're gonna get into all of that later on but I want I want Ryan to jump in on this and Andrew tell me What does it mean about me when you tell me you went to Australia and the first thing I want to do is ask you How was the pussy? I Saw some kangaroos. Oh, I'll tell you about that. Okay. No, so not the pouches. I want to know about I'm in a relationship, bro, I'm good. I was good. Yeah. I was good down under okay. Why don't you know what you do? What does that mean? I Imagine the pussy is the same pussy in all places in the world. I think I don't think pussy changes that much Yeah, I mean only dicks apparently grow when the color changes, but but the pussies don't get any different in size Have you noticed that in your experience? What do you mean? You've got your daily stoic for tomorrow. You mean like various women. Yeah, like I You've noticed shallower pussies based on race Yes, really who's got the shallowest to you Probably You can hit the bottom easy. Oh when you hit the speed back There's a race component here We'd be like what with the smallest the people are typically the smallest Yeah, but a baby Opposite usually the shorter ones got the biggest pussy not bigger but proportionally speaking shallower no deeper So deeper the taller ones and the bigger ones usually have more shallow. Why why would that ever be that way? I don't know that's just been my experience So you're you don't think it's tall girls trying to front like they got a small pussy because they know they got big one They're like, oh, how do you do that? Like you put a little bit in you're like, oh, it's so far Penetration is positivity Penetration is the key insert the key Dude, Australia was great man We bet fucking kangaroos and koalas and we had a good time out here there the people are great That's what I'll say the experience is if you go to Australia You're not going there for like the art or the music or anything like that That's not the culture that they provide Whereas like you go to France you're gonna go to some fucking museums and shit and see some old paintings but But for Australia the people themselves are the culture they have like nicknames for everything Shorten everything. It's like sunglasses are sunnies Avocados avos, you know I have one come to my show in Australia. Yeah. Yeah, she really like Oh, dude, they got him bro For sure dude, they got him this one. This one was there. She was yeah, she listens to brilliant idiots I think yeah, but it was cool and she loved my tranny joke. She was like, I agree with you on that one I had this short. No, it was it was short but I also had this one about how Caitlyn Jenner could transition back with a wet wipe and He was like or she was like she was like, I'll be honest I'm one of those trans people that could transition back very quickly. I need the context of the joke I don't understand meaning like she doesn't look that much like a lady. Like if you just But this but this trans chick had a great sense of humor about it and she came to show and it was it was just yeah It was awesome. Don't y'all think that's really quality, man What's that if we all can make jokes on each other like they're not they're not harmful They're not we're not trying to offend. We just fucking with each other like I can't make funny I don't respect you make black jokes to me. We make joke start gay friends gay friends make jokes back That's like why can't we do that? Actually the point is a neutral area, right? Between Dwayne and Alex, don't you think that's the key to getting to true equality? Well, so that's the problem is we the way we've taken it now to mean is that we think that saying something offensive is Something that is done to you, right? So it's like you say something and You can perpetrate an offense on me now you people can certainly say shitty things But the reality is it takes two to be offended, right? Because so epic T is one of the so fosters he goes like whenever you're offended You have to accept that you're complicit in the offense, right? Because think about it's like you can say something and then I can decide that you're joking or I can decide like He is a trying to attack me as a person and I have been harmed by this So society what we it's it's a weird thing we do to people that we we think are like sort of a minority or a Unprovoked group is we say this person is incapable of not being a victim But they are in a hit like that they are incapable of deciding to laugh at like it's kind of sending trans people or Actually probably just like white people with nothing to do They're like she shouldn't have laughed at your joke. Oh, yeah Take the sovereignty of that trans person away from That's why I thought the Comedy Central roast with Caitlyn Jenner on it was great She was like she was there they were like you're a true equal you got up here Yes, no one else got your balls busted. No pun intended and and like That's that's what life is That's the key to true equality because you think about the things that bring people together. What brings people together humor humor humor food food Music that's it in drugs Those are the things that bring people to not all music and so what does it say now? That's true. No music No, I was I was at the New York Philharmonic last night. Mm-hmm. Have you been to the New York Philharmonic? You haven't been there. It's just like that orchestration. Have you been to it? This is where Jews go before they die I think they take one last step and it's this is their last experience there Everybody there was 99 years old and Jewish and I didn't see anybody that wasn't white or Asian White or Asian? That's nobody else Asians were half of the ones that were playing the instruments unbelievable amount of Asians playing the instruments and It was what now listen, maybe I'm not cultured. I don't know Asians are booming in the instruments nowadays Playing no for Asians are doing opera. They fucking with them the keyboards now. Am I am I my strings? It's strength violin bro They love it and Dude, it's like one long song, bro It's one long song with like an intermission and then it feels like you're just listening to the same song What were you doing there? I took my girl. I you know, I was like you got to do Dress up music wise like we're also going like certain people aren't allowed to make different kind like you can't do that Cuz that's cultural appropriation or you can't do this because are Asians allowed to make Well, that's what's so funny is we know of course Asian people can perform like white music But like if I was to if someone else was to go the other way Good question. I mean, you know, should we get these Asians out of this Phil harmonic? How does Phil harmonic feel about it? I don't even know what is Phil harmonica? I don't know. Yeah, they're still they're stealing They're stealing our fucking culture, man. You know, it's so interesting about that Everybody gets mad at cultural appropriation like people try to make it like it's just a hip-hop thing Yeah, but no just just go back to earlier this year when Lil Nas X came on the scene with that goddamn old town roll Country people was like fuck. No, which country people they was like this ain't country go to those country festivals He eventually won them over but initially first they were a little like what is They wouldn't even label it country music. They wouldn't put it on the country charts But that's the chart people you think all the people boosting those streams making it number one didn't like it They kept playing it over and over again Billy Ray. That's what that's what they know. It was hot before Billy Ray That's why Billy Ray did it Billy Ray did it to say fuck them and say fuck you country mother was already number one before Billy Ray No, I wasn't no wasn't what was it charting at before Billy Ray look looked at up Cuz he got the get-up or whatever you know that song. No, oh, that's another black country hit What is it black country banger bro? I think is it's like look like we don't need a term cultural appropriation It's either it either sucks or it's good like you have a term. It's bad art, right? Like yes, it's it's either it's either done well like in in Lil Nas's case and it's good or it sucks And that's why it's offensive not because Do it yeah, right people go like oh Elvis You know Elvis stole like you know music from black people It's like Elvis was also paying a 90% marginal tax break Like that's what taxes were back then. It's like it evened out man. Oh, yeah It went back to some folks. Yeah. Yeah, like I don't know Complained that's what taxes were back then. What do you mean? 50s 60s and 70s was like 90% over like a certain amount like the idea that like Elvis was just like Taking his offer himself. It's like what are you talking? I think he wanted to live in Memphis It's the only place he could afford. Well, were they going to black communities? Yeah a little bit. No, it wasn't right I mean when you when you divvy up the taxes, right? It's like the whole point of that is for wealth It wasn't like raping the earth of natural resources that That's successful it was already a hot 100 song in the world the this is it was booming but it didn't number one Was really rich, but you know about this bro. I just need you to get real loose. Have I heard it? Grab you love ones guys Or your love partner is progressive that's progressive Alex doing You know why country slaps though cuz country got soul and country got stories Yeah, as long as you got soul and stories man, you can like transcend through mad motherfucking demographics I also think the similarity between country and rap is like it's all these are all personas anyway Now these people live on farms. They don't drive Characters preach and preach your daughters and like dry. It's like you didn't do any of it's wrestling, bro Yeah, let it be wrestling like rap is hundred percent. I don't know bro. You go to Nashville This should look very stereotypical in some some places. That's what I mean Nashville is like Hollywood for for country. Yeah, it's you know fake lips fake tits the whole thing I love Nashville by the way amazing save, but it's not like preachers daughter Like when you're trying to think it is like it is Hollywood. No sunset Boulevard, but I agree with you about the cultural appropriation thing It's like Like what do we think about okay? What do you think about that true dough when he put on the black face a million times cultural appropriation? It's just stupid and dumb. You know like why are you dressing up like a why like what you're saying is that you Think black people look like this and they don't well. They do look more like that than his skin Sure, but what I'm saying is like right you saying that what they look like to me black face is offensive for a couple reasons And you should say what it's really offensive, but it's offensive because one Historical implications historical implications, and you're just being your you don't actually know what you're doing You're just being ignorant of that and then the other thing is it's cartoonishly presenting these traits Which is what a Halloween costume is right? Point about bad art. Yeah, it's me blackface is bad art. It's whack, but it has a historical Implication right which is there a time where they didn't allow black people to be in these movie roles And they had white actors put blackface on them and then even satirized them more and made them these cartoonish It wasn't even that they would what didn't allow them It was the fact that they looked at black people with such disgust they would rather pretend to be one Yeah, and have one actually in yeah a place And you're also saying that like okay if I want to be Jay-Z for Halloween that Jay-Z's primary Characteristic is his skin like if you were gonna be a big one if you were gonna be no no it's not like if you're gonna be Bruce Springsteen try to wrap those songs without his skin color skin white Bruce Springsteen is the bandana and the and the guitar and the beard and the hair like you Get the essence of it. Yeah, I think that's the problem is we're going like the The costumes are really mostly in bad taste because you're saying the essence of the person is their skin color No, but it's a part of it It's like this conversation is close to Halloween. Let's get into it No, it's like if you're gonna dress up as the Hulk you're gonna be green look here's I guess what I'm trying to take the whole skin matters more to the You're playing the whole the green skin actually matters more than playing a black person Right, so you can't put on some short ripped jeans and no shirt and That's it, you know me that's what so that's what I'm saying I know Jafar or something he was trying to know he wasn't trying to be black he was trying to be fucking well No, he had a bunch of different ones He did black one where he was this Jamaican singer and he like performed it as My biggest issue with him is not necessarily that he did it is that he fronted to be this like woke guy for this whole time Knowing full well that he was just is the problem Hyper-sensitive and attacking other people for things that probably that you've done that's worse place Yeah, you know nothing wrong with that unless if you acknowledge it if you acknowledge that you used to do this fucked up shit That's what my S Malcolm X right? Yeah, so have the empathy for those people who do as well Yeah, listen, you don't know that you're gonna regret this 10 years from now Yes, so let me just talk to you and it's like but he didn't say that he's like how could you what are we gonna do? I don't even want to say that What it was I don't want to say he tried to remove like the word male or man from certain job positions Like he was on this fake. Well, not police man. It's police person. Yeah, not fireman. It's fire person all this stupid fucking shit But but it's an interesting thing because if you remove the historical implication are some You know faces, okay Like black face you can't do because there was that history of oppression But brown face when he's the Arab dude like could you do brown face? There's no history of not letting brown people into the movies and putting on brown face If black face is the only reason why we can't do black face because of the historical implication Can you do brown face? I've only seen it accepted once in my lifetime and I was in Robin Downey Jr. Did traffic thunder? But by the way, I didn't know he was playing a black person, but that's black face I'm saying brown like if if you were to act could you do Latin face where you become what you're like What could you do? You know what I mean like what you're talking about is nuance like when is it okay? When is it not okay? And the problem is culturally we've gone like if you do this You deserve to die and you should be run out of society Like the price we just have no ability to have nuance and what we've really done is we've we've weaponized it So it's like it's a mechanism for taking people down Who we haven't been able to get rid of by like other means I agree with you. Let me ask you this At this point though, like if you do something like that right now this Halloween You know what the reaction is gonna be you know what the backlash is gonna be don't you kind of deserve what you yeah That's what I mean. It's like it's almost not the it's not the fact that you're doing this thing that might be racist It's like where have you been right? I mean like how out of touch are you that you don't get? Yeah, like hey, this is not it's like it's almost for me It's just the judgment of it like you just have general but then aren't you succumbing to the outrage? You know like I look I understand the blackface thing and I can accept historical implication But not every race has gone through it like like for example if you look back in like Shakespeare in times Did they allow women to play the roles of women? I know it's dudes. It was dudes that played the roles of women Yeah, right wait a minute That sounds to me like the first transgenders. Oh, we don't know if they we don't know Romeo and and and Jules That's what I'm saying I'm just saying we don't know if they were actually just pretending to be women or they identified as women Yeah, they were pretending but it was because they didn't let women act They refused to allow women to act right just how they refused to allow black people to to act right? And so it's wrong to put that face on Should it be wrong for a guy to dress up as a girl in a Halloween costume because of what? Women endured during Shakespearean times in in the acting world. It's the same exact logic, right? It's like who cares I don't give a fuck but I also feel people it's like why are you so if a nine-year-old kid sees Michael Jordan? And that's his hero crowby brine or Kyrie Irving and he's like I want to throw and I want dark skin just like him I think but that's racism and that I don't think there's racism But I think that's where the parent goes like hey like you really like Michael Jordan But what yours you what you should be seeing in Michael Jordan is not primary We should be teaching a color blindness in the sense of like Michael Jordan's defining characteristic is not his blackness It's his airness To be him because he's black that's just part of what he looks like just like his hair But these are just aspects 23. That's it All you gotta do is get a bulls uniform some Jordans and a ball head Teach we should be primarily teaching that like look the the skin color that that's to me the big problem I have with this quote. It's like I thought race was supposed to be coming less important But I feel like we're just talking about it all the time like all this shit racism sexism Let me ask you a question somebody breaks into your house and the cops like describe them. Are you gonna be like tall? Brown eyes. What else do you know about him? You know you had hair. What else that was pretty much it Because I don't really see anything. No, I don't see anything and I don't see color shit is annoying and lame But I what I just mean is like we now talk about how your blackness is your prize Is is somehow like the main thing about you, but to me it's like For and I'm not just like oh, I don't see color But it to me it's like one of the least important things about you just in the sense that like whatever my height is Is probably like 30 on the things that are important, but if you were 7 6 though I'm saying sure sure sure, but that would if I was 7 6 that would probably have changed the trajectory My life in a bunch of ways that might make it more part of yeah, it'd be people would Ryan holiday jerseys on this My guy My issue is it whether it's like My issue is whether we should be aware shouldn't be aware of it that's not it of course We should be aware we should be sensitive the issue is is it hateful? And I don't think in all times. It's it's hateful I think if you do it now is hateful, and I'll tell you why because yeah, like I just you have to be Aware you have to know the temperature like if you know people are gonna be offended by this shit There's no real reason to do it. It's like it's almost ego when we talk about Napoleon, right? Like if there's an actual benefit like what you're doing like can you name a single blackface movie? Black no, I didn't grow in that time. Hold on one second. You're what you have to do a name a single blackface movie So it's like we have all these people that are being offended on behalf of a time in cinema Where they don't even know a fucking movie or or kidney or it has even seen Context is the same reason you don't walk around with a swastika on your shirt. Yeah, you know I'm saying but I'm American We fought against them still but why would I walk around with a swastika on my shirt? That rocks watch because all the time well, they should they should go back to fucking Germany Well, I listen to listen watch the premises use the swastika they motherfucking know what I don't understand is how you can be Proud to be an American or whatever that bullshit They front is and wear the logo of the country that we went to war with you're a traitor in my opinion It's like are you a decepticon you an Autobot pick a side fab you can't front like your Autobot You're walking around with a decepticon show your shoulder do that because they're fucking idiots these people We're dealing with people who are hypocritical idiots clearly. They hate Jews people more than they love America Right, because if you love the America you wouldn't fuck with it at all. Oh haps Absolutely, but yo we weren't in there. We bodied motherfuckers. Yeah, they were the Confederate flag That's the loser flag you are a you are a trader if you're wearing a flag You're a trader as simple as that and I can't fuck with you because you're a traitor It was our history. No, it wasn't your history. They invented the flag after your history in the South existed That's why I never understood bullshit in Charleston, South Carolina Well, I'm born when they took the flag down off the state house lawn in Columbia People fought for that flag so fucking much like they was out there wanting to fight because they were taking this flag down I'm like bro Dylan roof just killed nine people. You know I'm saying it was Praising this flag and it's the flag of the loser dude. It's the loser It's the one that was anti-america was going against America We have fought a war to reunite the union or the nation if you will it's just so stupid But that's the thing that people don't see and then they've been fed this propaganda that that flag represents their southern culture Correct me if I'm wrong, but southern culture existed way before the secession of the South Yeah Rhetorical question This is so this is a flag that is that it was made up to have these kind of meetings So we don't look I don't want to get to into the flag thing, but I Just find the cultural appropriation not the culture portion of the the blackface and kind of culture appropriation thing always interesting I need a better argument for blackface would be why would you want to do it? That's my question. That's what I wanted to like why would you want to do it because that's what the character looks like No, there's something else going on. Is there if you're nine for like for Trudeau I'm using Trudeau as an example and Trudeau that I do that in a Latin theme party, but here's the thing Right, you could maybe make an argument to me that you might I don't want to say stumble into doing blackface But do blackface once and maybe enough realize the full implications I wouldn't believe it right you could make that argument to me when you've done it three times That we know of and this is something that there'll be a conversation later in the show to me that represents a compulsion Why I want to dress up in blackface so much committed to playing a character Just like the character he's playing right now. There's phony woke bullshit He is a complete fraud. Why anybody takes that guy seriously is besides myself Like I like if you play black if you could dress as black panther this year Yeah, you don't have to wear blackface get the mask You know what I'm saying like it's just not necessary To the costume even if you want to play a basketball player you got the whole uniform you got the shoes I know exactly who to fuck wear the warm-ups Cover as much of your skin as possible if you want I am going this year as I'm wearing an Avengers in-game Quantum suit Right, there was no black people other than fucking war machine who went back I don't want to be war machine. So who are you gonna be? Nobody I'm just gonna be in a video that had on the quantum suit I'm not wearing a mask on nothing. I just have on a quantum suit. You know what that is when you see it They went back in time to get the the gathering infinity. I don't know if that's it I don't know if that's gonna hit bro. You came through last year with the Iron Man, but you committed before that I was black panther. You know what I'm saying, but even with Iron Man. I didn't put white skin That's fucking Iron Man. Yeah, but you had that you had the face on Matter of fact when you took the thing off I was like are you a black guy that stole Iron Man suit I'm a war machine with Iron Man suit. Oh, I thought he gave it to him. Well, he made it for the end. Nobody stole it You're right. There's somebody had to steal the suit before but either way. Yeah, I'm going as an Avenger There was the only black Avenger that went back was war machine, right? I'm not you don't want to be war machine Oh I'm just it. I'm just that's the quantum. So you gonna see it. Oh, that's the quantum suit That's the suit that he went back in time with to get the infinity so you know what that is It's the number one movie of all time, right? That's it. Yeah, I have to do anything else Yeah, I guess I don't know. I guess people are gonna be offended. I guess I guess some of the things we got to recognize is like I Always think this about myself like what am I told to be offended by? Like how many of these decisions am I making myself? Yeah, and how many of these decisions are being made for me? Yeah, right like You know like a like when people were calling like what you guys would call like white people mayonnaise for a while And like there'd be all these white people on Twitter getting so upset like how can you cause me and it and I'm like, hold on Is that is that gonna bully me into feeling like I should feel away about that? Or is this just a joke and we should all and we should all just laugh at these jokes You know, what's so funny about the mayonnaise thing and maybe maybe this is why people do blackface The only reason I constantly keep saying many is cuz I know it makes people mad and to me it's the most ridiculous shit You understand what I'm saying. Yeah, like it's not a it's some shit. I made up That's not even a slur. Yeah, you can't say that's a racial slur. Yeah, it's fucking mayonnaise Bothers you so much. I'm not stopping. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not yeah. Yeah, like if you're mad at that Yeah, and by the way, maybe that's this doesn't bother me person. You're saying you that I know it's some bullshit Cuz in high school, I was the same way if I said something to you I was so upset. Oh, we used to we used to call it got Peter Pan. Why? Who knows? Because when we used to say Peter Pan is dead he would get mad By the way, he was autistic or something. He had a like a little something But still it was funny because we couldn't believe that saying Peter Pan is dead would enrage this person so much Dude, I just thought of something right now and this could be crazy, but maybe the reason we have so many school shootings now Maybe the reason we have so many school shootings now is that they separated the autistic kids Right so now we're like bullying the normal kids that can go get a gun Mm-hmm, but when the autistic kids were in our class We would just kind of make fun of them and they were autistic So I didn't really learn all of it or even really care. I typically mean mentally challenged whatever they were. Yeah retarded They are worried. We can't say that anymore, but back in our day. Oh, they were called the retarded kids Capital R that was the name so we retarded. Yeah, so the retards we would make fun of them, right? He just came back from our screw. That's why you're shorting and everything And we make fun of them now the the kids that were like nerds, but they were normal enough to get a gun They wouldn't get the onslaught of jokes So they weren't feeling bullied enough to go get the guns and then go kill people and then the tardies their parents would Never let them close to a gun so they'd never have it in the first place Maybe that's the reason why we had no school shootings We need to bring back the retards into the regular class right so we can make fun of them So they'll be the you know the the post. I don't know what that's called. It was never in the regular class shows If you think that they were right if you were in the class with them You think that was regularly you were in the class too for that was I a tardy The reason I know that because I failed one of those standardized test one time and I had to be in the class They put you in it that was torture because I was the guy teasing them and then like oh see that was karma for real for real Did they Voltron? I got choked out by one sleuth of fish but can they communicate with each other like whales do like the They use those kind of like sounds. I don't know Did you did you notice them having some sort of communication? I do know I tell you one thing I remember one time being in the class I was in the trailer and the same dude Peter Pan I'm teasing Peter Pan is dead We whisper it. Yeah, he's just sitting there right he go crazy. Yeah, he's just like yo What's up, man? What's wrong with you? And then he goes what's for the problem? They won't let me alone and she goes who and I didn't even know he knows my name. He goes Larry McAlvey the big nose idiot I didn't even know he was paying attention like that and he said my whole name Larry McAlvey the big nose idiot So I don't even know the fuck we why we even talked about that I think that was that's the way you stop school shooting bring it back in the class. Yeah, I Don't know I think that it's just trauma, bro I Think that when you see these guys that grab these guns and they go shoot up people it just hurt people hurting people But maybe the autistic kids and the retards can handle more trauma than us weak just normal folks I don't believe that I got choked out by a Mentally retarded kid in high school Yeah, I told y'all about that when I used to tease him every day and used to tease him at the Kingdom hall yeah, and he never used to say a word Yeah, he'll care one day. I'll walk by and let one of those jokes fly and the next thing. I know That's it. That's it. Oh That shit. What's that shit called? Sorry. So you got you felt that story. Yeah, that breakthrough that light I was almost there till he let me go another dude named fish fish grab me one day and just there was the fence around the track And it was like about five and a half feet tall Maybe six he picked me up and put me on top of that fence. Yes, it just held me there for a while That's just the the fish it was just sticking me just enough He was just like pulling you down a little bit. Yeah, let me know I can pull you through this whole shit I want a combat style. Yeah, so they are they're aware. They're like elephants, bro What do you mean you ever see like the people they're in Thailand They're riding the elephants and every once in a while with some Instagram chick Just taking a picture on an elephant and every once in a while an elephant will let her know Hey, I'm letting you take this pic. Yeah, and he throws her off of him, right? That's them. They're like, hey, we're letting you be in our class. We're letting you make these jokes, but careful Because if I have to go full elephant, I can stampede your ass in a heartbeat. By the way, all jokes aside Yeah, are they who mentally retarded you having the fucking time of their life, bro Serious question. I'm not even joking. I want to know get on SoundCloud. Let me know are they still in school Because back in my day, it was the trail of the short trailers in the back Right, the short buses they used to be I need to eat lunch before everybody else. Does that still happen? I'm not sure Chris. Do you know where they are? No answers Listen, we don't know and and anybody who's offended by this right now. You don't know so shut the fuck up Yes, we're not trying to be offensive. We're having a conversation We're trying to learn about these people where they go in society who takes care of anybody By the way, when I was in school, they couldn't even get out of school today with 21. Is that right? Yeah, they used to keep me in high school until 21 years old. I thought you're at 18. You're a legal adult. I Don't know. Maybe that was a miss. Maybe that was a rumor. Hmm. I thought they kept them until they were 21 years old Hmm, and then they let them then they let them out. They freed them. Yeah. What are they? I don't know. I'm not exactly sure. I would love to talk to somebody who is like a functioning member of society now, but in school They were in the mentally retarded class. Yes You know what else they had back in the day? I remember I remember the EH classes EH was emotionally handicapped Which I think is so interesting why it's so hard to get SEL in schools now Social and emotional learning when back in the day they had Emotional they would label people emotionally handicapped. You know what I'm saying? So clearly they had people in the Schools that were trying to teach them to deal with their emotions. So why is it so hard to get SEL passed in schools now? I didn't know that it was hard to get it passed. Yeah, it is. I mean, they don't even really have it So you're saying there's no program in the school Well, we had what was called a guidance counselor and if you were going through trouble at home or some shit trash Really no disrespect to the guidance counselors out there. Maybe y'all are better now when I was in school They did nothing. You know how I know they didn't do nothing I can't even remember none of my guidance counselors names and did they guide you though Did you have some clearly not they had no impact on my life whatsoever? If you asked me any grade from elementary school to middle school to high school I can name different teachers, you know, even principals who had an impact on my life guidance counselors did nothing Really, maybe you didn't need it. Maybe you were maybe you had good emotional health Or maybe you were presenting as if you did but you were compartmentalizing and keeping it all in no back then I was very much so I Was a very much so of attention seeker Right and those people often don't go to the guidance counselor Who goes to the guidance counselor the people who are like quiet by themselves. No friends. They smell bad I do guidance counselors basically like yo something fucked up happening at home. Do you want to talk about it? Yeah We have to make sure that you're eating and like at least back in where I was from it was like You got to have some emotional issues or there's like a language barrier a lot of like kids who immigrated To to to the states and like didn't really speak English that well the guidance counselor like make sure they're understanding what homework They had to do etc. Yeah, I don't listen. No disrespect to the guys. I'm just saying I don't know what the fuck y'all do Yeah, maybe y'all do something better now. Yeah, but back then y'all ain't got me nowhere. Yeah I think we're just trying to get none of that counseling. Yeah, it was all disciplined It was paddling from the principal Iss you got hit what did how old you mr. Barnes mr. Barnett Two of the most notorious paddlers ever in Berkeley high school history now when they're hitting you from the back, right? I don't like how you said that I got your Jehovah's Witness right here So When they're paddling you from the back, right? Do they ever catch your ball sack or do you pull that up? I didn't have a big long my balls have definitely started to hang more as I've gotten older They weren't hanging like that back really not at all. Every day was a cold day for me Tight and then you would hold them up so that they wouldn't get caught the battle I don't think about it now when when you're getting hit with this paddle, right? Are you good? Are you making sounds? Are you trying to like thug it out? I can break down the whole Mr. Barnett was No, mr. Barnes was black. Okay, mr. Barnes is black. Well, mr. Barnes had a defective hand like his hand was Nubby, so what one of his hands wasn't a fully formed hand. It was like a nub and Would he put that on the children ever? No, not that I remember but he used to paddle with the other hand, right, you know in mr. Barnett Big boss hog looking white man like Duke's a hazard life sturdy, you know, I'm saying definitely was He had a big thick paddle and he cut holes in it. What so the air could go Arrow dynamic paddle. Yeah, this motherfucker was in psychopath. Yeah, he wanted it. He really wanted it We quickly learned you don't want to get paddled by mr. Barnett So what do you do when you get in trouble? Please don't take me to mr. Barnes. Please whatever you do don't take me to mr. Barnes Please don't take me to mr. Barnes. Please man. Mr. Barnes. It's too hard. Please Go on to mr. Barnes. Oh Manipulated that again the paddling you The barred paddle was so fucking soft limp wrist. Oh, oh my God Barnes, huh? Oh, I'm not calling bitches. I don't know if he's still alive and I'm still gotta go to most corner I don't know his family, but I don't know if he's bitch ass, but mr. Barnett I mean he'd be kids for a living, but sure that was this that was Stronger because it's the only hand he could use it wasn't it wasn't he'd have a powerful it wasn't I'm telling you Mr. Barnett was the guy was my wife. What's up, baby? I Love how he picks up on his wife calls. All right Mr. Barnett was the guy man, you know I'm saying I mean mr. Barnes with mr. Barnett was the guy that would hurt you mr. Barnes the person with the light paddle I don't even remember how we got on this subject Okay, so you're saying you manipulate them in getting to mr. Barnes to paddle you Yes, you're trying to stay away from mr. Barnett. Yes, you let him pattern paddle you with the limp wrist Yes, oh, we were talking about discipline cuz we didn't have the guys counselors Yes, those were the two that used to discipline me and we had a strategy We would act like mr. Barnes hurt so bad so we would go to mr. Barnes and mr. Barnett was actually the motherfucker That was bringing the bringing the funk with that goddamn paddle really absolutely 100% and you think on some level they enjoyed doing this disciplinary act Hmm if a man cuts holes in a paddle Because he wants that paddle he wants to air to go through that shit and hit you absolutely And you got to think about how we are as adults, right? You don't think they sat around and had a couple beers and laughed That people that would yo we had yo I've seen mr. Barnett hit people like literally be on this side of the room And God would jump across the desk, you know what I'm saying like literally in front of other students That was the torture The torture was sitting there waiting like holy shit, you know I'm saying and you had to try to put the strategy with that too You want to be first when you want to be when he's tired? Yeah, you want to be three or four of us in there? I want to be fucking full They had to be a strategy somewhere in that shit, right? And then it was but you get three paddles are one depending on the offense so Okay, this is crazy. So that one might be the whammy so you're like I'd rather the three because he's gonna make it. You don't know. He's gonna divide that power You know, you said it's a tough. It's a tough thing to deal with bro Well, I think about that now and I think about the trauma that she caused bro I used to see some fucked up shit when I was a kid like even I had a teacher named miss Freeman fourth grade She used to fuck us up in class like literally Fuck us up like she would grab kids drag them across their desk like shake it like she was a Abusive ass motherfucking teacher and I don't think none of us knew any better. I really don't would your parents be okay? If they knew that there was a teacher beating you I don't think so and I've seen her do some foul shit. I remember how would you react? We just used to watch it was almost like it was almost like one of those things like you just Keep your head down. No, how would you react if you found out that there's a teacher doing this to one of your dogs I'm going to do that to the teacher and if it's a woman teacher my wife can handle that They're going to you know, you're fucked up and you're going to jail I have no problem with that whatsoever Okay, there's certain things that I have no problem going to jail over there's certain things I have no problem losing some shit over that's one of them. So let so this is an interesting discussion There was a time in our lives where beating Someone else's kid was not only acceptable was considered the right thing to do It was part of I don't know if you would call it a curriculum, but it was definitely a thing It was a part of the disciplinary act in school. Boom, right? Okay We've gone past that right we've we've we've realized that there is an error in our ways And that's not what you're supposed to do to kids, right? We acknowledged it at the time it was okay Yeah, and at the time it was the thing to do parents would go in and be like, oh, I'm sorry My kid was such a pain in the ass. I'm sorry you had to beat them I was back in the day when they that they really took that it takes a village shit serious What right so but what's interesting is now we realize it's bad Are we gonna go back and cancel mr. Barnes and mr. Barnett and Mrs. Fields like do we go back? Freeman should have been cancelled Because it wasn't in context mr. Barnes mr. Barnett. It was in context. Okay, you you get in trouble Okay, go to their office you get a paddling, you know I'm saying everything if I'm not mistaken I could be wrong. I think the parents had actually signed something that says it's okay for you to paddle my kids Miss Freeman the shit she was doing in class. No way. I went when I think about that. She's not I was anybody who had miss Freeman White'sville elementary school fourth grade teacher. I would love to know if y'all remember her fucking kids up. I Would love to know that if you went to White'sville elementary school elementary school and after that did you go to mayonnaise middle school and Hellman's high school Elementary school give y'all roll, baby So I guess what I'm trying to say is we acknowledge that behavior changes over time Why is it so fucking difficult for that to be acknowledged on Twitter like there? I mean, yes And all of us like all of us had parents that were hit at school my parents were hit at school You you were probably hit at school. I was definitely not it's no parents though 100% So it's like we know that this shit changes and here's what's even crazier It changes at a different pace in different places in New York or Philadelphia They said a stop being kids at school way earlier than in Monks Corner, South Carolina You know what man? I agree with you and I wanted this That's culture really shifted are There's a new culture called social media that makes us think Everything has shifted meaning like I think I know where you're going meaning like We know this we have conversations all the time amongst each other Yeah, we use certain language and certain words and we laugh Going on problem until we motherfucking Presented to somebody else and then somebody else says the oh, that's wrong. That's fucked up You know, we don't do that no more I remember vividly when we was doing Uncommon sense and I tweeted out Something about the word female. I was just like yo you females such as such it wasn't in derogatory It was just like it was literally like yo females look good. I don't know what it was. We're not an animal species Yes, and I had never heard that shit in my life. I thought I was being trolled Yo, you know I'm saying I got little dog being trolled until you start having conversations like no You're not supposed to call women females. I'm like since fucking when yeah, like we just stopped calling y'all bitches Except you know And I understand why you don't want to be called bitches understand why you don't want to be called hoes I don't understand why you want to be called but but female the word that is actually in science books We've been checking male or female on all these little Years, how the hell do you think we thought about work? What the f that shit, but that's what I'm talking about shit like you're on it What you're trying to say is Twitter has created a a Completely separate culture than the one that we exist in or social media has created a separate culture than we exist in Twitter and social media is kind of like the workplace You know when you're at work in a corporate setting is certain rules Absolutely, and but we understand that those rules exist only at work Because we assume that you don't have a camaraderie with some of these people and we just need to make sure Everybody's comfortable. So we're gonna heighten the rules just to make sure everyone's secure and we're gonna make people act Abnormal how you act at work is not normal. It is abnormal. Hello. How are you nice to meet you? Nobody goes I feel my most comfortable my most self at work. All right, so Twitter now has the same rules as work which we acknowledge is abnormal Nobody gets around their friend group and continues to act like they do on Twitter or at work The second you get out at work. You're like fuck glad that's just done. What's up, dog? Fuck you. You're a dickhead suck my dick Da-da-da, right? Well, I guess what I'm trying to say is we're cancelling people For standards that we do not keep in our life. Yes at all And we know we don't keep it Justin Trudeau out there cancelling people for shit that he's done Yeah, all these Twitter woke people that you and I know that are super woke on social media and in real life Not keeping the same energy. That's it by the way in that shit like Ryan Holliday is gonna talk about this later Well, maybe no, he didn't talked about that with him earlier But I had a conversation with him and he was talking about how you like oh, no We did talk about it how you present one way, but you're really living another way So you can never truly have peace you can never truly have stillness and I've been saying this for years before I even Met Ryan Holliday eventually that other way it's gonna catch up now He's gonna catch up. It's gonna take over every fucking thing. Hmm. It's gonna take it all over See that will build coffee You see that with an R. Kelly you see that with an Harvey Weinstein Whatever you were doing in the motherfucking dark that was foul. It don't matter how you present That shit is going to catch up to you and it's going to overcome you. Yes, you understand. I'm saying yes So so so at what point in time do we start going? At what point in time do we start giving some pushback and what point of time do we start going? Yo, I don't think we should push back Okay, okay, okay go on that I think what I mean by pushback is like um Pushback to this like fake regulations of how we should act that Twitter I don't think we should care. Ah, so don't get it in the oxygen. I don't think we should care I don't think that's what uh, I don't think that's what giving you a real opinion is about. You know what I'm saying I think that if you um, like matter of fact, there's this quote, uh, okay. Yeah, Satori, right? No, that's not Satori Yeah, by focusing on what's obvious about sticking with the first thought that pops into your head, right? So, you know, when you get to Satori, you're not focusing on what's obvious anymore You're not sticking with the first thought that is in your head So if you've actually thought about something if you've given something some real thought right and you actually have an opinion that can I don't know make somebody else Look at the situation a different way or somebody can learn from it Give us that. Mm-hmm But if you just giving us your first bullshit thought your first bullshit observation even when you're outraged, right? Because what you just talked about you just talked about people feeling like they should be outraged at something So you see a word and your first thought is oh, that's wrong You haven't even given it any thought someone told you to feel that way. Yeah, does it really bother you? Have you given it some thought to see could you call the female you exactly who told you that's offensive? You didn't think it at yourself because every time you checked off the sentence you weren't upset I turn the sentence to them the government go. I'm not a dog. I did something yesterday, man What a group of people and it was actually very fun But in the midst of it. Mm-hmm. I'm like yo this whole shit is profiling I'm like this whole Shit is profiling. I'm getting excited But in the context of what we were doing and I was saying this and as I'm saying this people are laughing the audience Laughing we're all laughing then it became a running joke. Yeah, that's all it is. What was it? I can't talk about it. Okay, I'll tell you after the fact But it was in context. Yes It wasn't bad and when you're actually when you're actually playing this thing, right? You're playing this game and you're like Realizing like yo Some of it some of the profiling is accurate But then some of the profiling is totally off so you can see how mistakes can happen and you can see how Shit can mistakes can be prevented meaning like if I see this person and he looks like he may be a School shooter based off what I think school shooters look like right white guy tall scraggly little mustache Long black trench coat. That's the school shooter. Are you describing what I'm wearing today I'm you and you and a little mix of you and Colin mind. Okay, but that's the school shooter. You know what I'm saying But what if he's not? Right, what if he's just a fucking? Tall guy with a scraggly mustache in the long coat. You know I'm saying he's not bothering nobody but you might actually profile him and Pat him down he really may have a gun on so he may be right so it could go either way is what I'm saying But you gotta throw something up against the wall to see if it motherfucking sticks because we all do it That's all a cop's job is the profile by the way a hundred percent So we're asking them to be perfect at profiling and it's hard You can't walk you can't you can't walk the airport and have signs and say if you see something say something because the way I see things It might be a little different other person. Yeah, you gonna see a lot. They're gonna be a lot saying I think Taylor looks suspicious as fuck But I know her right, you know, I'm saying excuse me if you didn't know her. Oh, yeah, you would profile her Oh, yeah, what would you think that she was doing? I just be who is this little short like? You know tiny hand person Just mean mugging mean mugging. Yeah They're up to something. Yeah. No, you're plotting. She's up to something. She's got it She's got a hustle going she's got a hustle going and she needs to be watched. Yes That's all I'm saying. Hey, by the way, that's all it takes some time right watch her watch her You don't gotta rest. Don't bother just this. That's it. That's it. Keep an eye. That's it. Keep an eye observation That's all it is. That's it. Okay. I mean listen, I'm not against you. I think I Rather agree. I think we have like a natural function on our brains that profiles like how often do we do this with chicks? She's prude. Nah, she's down. She's bad. Yeah, I bet she gives great head That is we do it all the time now. We're not doing it strictly on that race But we're doing a base of maybe the way Maybe some raises give head better than others Possibility listen the beauty about the world we live right now everybody's profiling each other We want to be profiled. Yeah, like when you buy a watch, it's worth $10,000 You are asking people to profile. I do that all the time. I watch is no, no, no I look at people's watches up because you want to watch. Yeah, I just like when I when I see and I'm not gonna say when I see it I think to myself. I Be somebody that's it dude, but I do when I see a certain watch It's Britain. I can I know how much it costs to say. All right. I wonder what he does I wonder what she does 100% you know what I'm saying you on yes, I'm not gonna say it's there's somebody For it there you go, but that's what we want people to be asking Yeah, right like when we were a $20,000 watch we want people when we were super expensive sneakers are really Exclusive sneakers we want that question be asked. That's the funniest thing to me about like Like gangster rappers getting involved in like the police brutality thing It's like for how many albums are you gonna put out where you're like, yo, we're dangerous We're menacing and then you're gonna go out and be like, why do the police think we're dangerous and menacing? I mean not only that I think you're dangerous menacing because you fucking say about it all the time That's why and not only that is you know, you say you on top of that you say fuck the police Take that away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I guess what I'm saying is we asked to be profiled just as much as we profile 100% right we bring it on ourselves. That's why we get so mad at I mean at least from I can only speak from a black perspective That's why we get so mad at other black people when they do fucked up shit cuz you're like we already go through it enough Absolutely, why people so many white people that they don't they you can't marginalize them, right? I'm saying like you might can marginalize them by region, you know if you're in a certain city You might know something that Canadians don't say you can but you might know something that people in Arkansas do Oh, yeah, we judge people in different places. Yeah South judges northern Yankees absolutely. Yeah, absolutely I think 100% I wonder if girls Taylor do is there a way to dress single? So so there's no way we look single right now. There's no way that on purpose Is there is there any way that like let's say you're out and you want to be approached Not saying you dress like a hoe, but like is there a way where you're like? I would like a guy's attention tonight. It doesn't mean that it has to have your boobs out You know what I'm saying? Like I would say For females in a way might get killed for this but whatever like certain regions of where you in the city like You could tell a hood girl from Like someone that's kind of has a lot of other stuff going on. That makes sense like a bougie girl from a hood girl Most bougie girls are nothing but hood girls who got a good job Like Most bougie girls are just more girls from the hood who just got a good job and now they think they're not hood no more But they still ghetto as fuck Which is sexy But I don't know like though if I go in the hood especially in New York like you tell Don't nobody think you bougie. I don't think me me being bougie But you can kind of tell like oh she like in the trenches. Yeah, cuz you got on camouflage You You're saying that you can you can discern if a girl is ghetto or not based on the way she looks How she dresses not looks physically but how she carries herself, I think white ghetto looks worse than black ghetto nowadays I Think white ghetto is like what's the rap was that chick that used to rap? You know I'm talking about You know I'm saying easy or something. Yeah, like, you know cuz to me no not bad bunny the other one Cash me out. There you go. Oh, that is bad bunny. That's good. No, it's not bad. But it's a Puerto Rican Bad baby. Yeah, whatever the fuck. Yeah, all I'm simply saying is the bad Barbie. She's ghetto You know, I'm saying like like like she's old school what people thought being ghetto was yes Get old people don't act like so she wears ghetto like real people from the hood and the girl don't act like that She yeah, she wears ghetto face. Yeah, yeah, yeah She's ghetto because she's pretending she's acting the way she thinks black people in the hood act That's ghetto to me. So she's playing the character. She's playing this ghetto character. Absolutely But back to single how do we find if girls are single by the way that they dress there You don't dress any differently when you're in a relationship or not No, I don't really I Feel like you're gonna get the attention regardless Interesting, no, that's fine if you're gonna get it no matter what why put in the effort. I Notice you only get it when you stand up I Notice you only get it when you stand up Stand you're not gonna get one compliment today because you're sitting down now watch when you're going to sign watch today When we put this up nobody's gonna say anything as soon as you stand up It's the truth what do they say go back and watch old comments They only like when they can see Taylor stand in all the way up. What do they say that you feel like toast? 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Okay, and um, they got they got me on there and My man Craig Melvin is on there Jesus and Maro is on there Janet Mark is on there It's a lot of different people on there But I really you know, it's so interesting man when things like that happen like I just you know Take it with a grain of salt because like my father always says you never as good as you say you are You never as bad as they say you are so it was just like, you know one moment You have a bunch of motherfuckers and fuck you yada yada yada next moment you on some You know power list. Do you really care about that list? Like does that validate your power? No, it doesn't validate it at all But it's good to be acknowledged. It is it's good to be acknowledged It is it does feel good to be acknowledged But I don't feel like I'm doing anything this year that I haven't been doing forever Yeah, like I feel like y'all I feel like I feel like when I see stuff like that It's like, okay, y'all finally finally figured it out. You know what I'm saying I I completely feel that way. I I saw you post it and I was looking through it and And I feel like we live in this completely different time where maybe back in the day We were hoping to achieve the grammy or hoping to achieve the oscar hoping to get added to these lists And now since we have the numbers right in front of ourselves and we know our influence Like you know exactly where you rank on the power rankings in new york And I'm sure you look to some people on that list and you're like They ain't that powerful. That's not for me to say, you know what I'm saying It's because I don't know somebody doesn't mean that they not powerful In their field, yeah, I just may not know when I was more impressed by I love the fact that D's and Merrill was on there I love the fact that Craig Melvin was on there because Craig Melvin is from where I'm from He's from South Carolina. Yeah, me and Craig used to do. Who is he? I don't know him He's a he's a he's a news anchor Craig's on a msnbc I think he feels it onto the day show a lot like everybody's like, oh, he's gonna be the next matlour without the Freak shit, you know, I'm saying like he's just good at what he does, but Craig me and Craig We came up together in Colombia and I remember back in 2004 the state newspaper in Colombia They did a top 10 Under under the age of 30 in the arts in South Carolina And they did these profiles on these 10 people and you guys are both in it me and Craig You know say Craig was in there with puppies looking on his fucking face laying in the grass because literally that's this He's always been this guy. Yes. He's not a person that's presenting one way And acting another way right Craig has always been Straight down the middle Good guy. Just that's him really. Yes. I used to be be in the club sometime You know, oh my god, I'd be throwing a birthday party. He'd come to my parties at v12 and like he'd literally be sitting He'd be like, oh my god Is that marijuana? Like seriously and he would go somewhere else because he knew how good he was gonna be He knew where he was going. Absolutely. So it was it's interesting to see things Come full circle for us to be under the age of 30 in Colombia South Carolina just trying to figure it out. Yeah now being recognized by variety is too Too the most powerful in new york and neither one of us even fucking from here, right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah Yeah, I was I was like, man, that's what's up like for for Craig and these scenarios the same thing like Yo, that's uncommon sense alumni. Yeah That's two guys that my man Paul Richie Was telling me about one day in the office and we went down a deep rabbit hole of these the marrow shit Like, yo, let's go get these the marrow. You know what I'm saying? Like These the marrow come in then MTV don't know what to do with them But they just praying graffiti all over the motherfucking wall and writing It's like, yeah, I'm gonna we developed in the show concomitance Let's use my guys every week classical trash and it's just like it's just dope to see them Recognized in that way. Yeah, you understand what I'm saying. Yeah, for sure So like for me, it wasn't even really about me. It's like that's dope That all of us are on this list. Yeah saying like I I got history with these people in a real way and it makes you think about like the industry and I wrote about this in my Last book about how sometimes man You can't help but to become a part of the industry because you become the industry You know, it's not like we forcing it like these are people that I we I actually came up with Like somebody might see me right now with Craig Melvin and be like, man, shawarma ain't got so Industry to fuck up Bro, me and Craig Melvin know each other for damn it 20 years Yes, I don't think I don't think that that makes you necessarily industry I think there's a negative connotation to industry Um, I do too But at the same time, I don't yeah, I think they've earned it in a lot of ways You know, like there could be a negative connotation to to you know, certain news reporting But a lot of times it can be earned as well Um But I think that it doesn't mean that you're necessarily industry I think you become industry when your opinions are that of the industry boom And as long as your opinions are that of yours Then you're good. You can operate within it or with or outside of it You're absolutely right, but the audience will never see it that way. That's fair But it's not fair to see Yeah, you know how the audience will never see it that way because you may grow you may evolve All right, you may not want to approach things the same way that you did You might have different opinions than you once did your mind might have changed, you know what I'm saying? And people will be like, oh you you PC a PC to God or whatever the fuck it is It's like nah, that's just really how I feel in this moment. Right, you know what I'm saying? Everything don't deserve my attention. Right. Everything don't deserve my energy. Right. Everything don't deserve my mother fucking opinion Right, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like this shit bugs me out when I see people on social media and it's like Everybody's talking by the way if I see everybody talking about the same exact thing I'm not going to get involved. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Why when I got a podcast When I got a radio show like I don't feel the need I don't have to jump on social media and post something about Whatever the fuck it is y'all talking about when I can come on here and really Really talk about it. Yeah, and and give it a few days, you know what I'm saying? Give it a day or two to really digest my Make sure my thoughts are mine and not some fucking talking points. I'm echoing because I saw them on fucking Instagram. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, it twitter is a really useless place for opinions to be honest with you Let's let's run through some of Taylor's topics. I really I believe oh, I got a hot take Say what? What's that? Amber geiger What what is that? Amber geiger, uh the ex cop in Dallas who was sentenced to 10 years in prison for the murder of Uh, both of both of john. Oh, yeah. And then and then her family members have been hugging her and his family Hugging her and something like that. Yeah, that's what you think. I think that um I think that It's not up to me to tell them how to like get past something like this and If that is the way that they do it and that gives them some comfort I sure as hell i'm not going to be the one to criticize them about it because at the end of the day They got to deal with the fact that their loved one is gone Yeah, so if your coping mechanism is forgiveness and that empowers you to continue moving on through life because I know how dark A place I would be if my brother got shot and killed and I'd probably be looking for any way to get the fuck out of there, you know So it's like I don't think that I can't judge them that that's fair and if it don't work They'll learn that. Yeah. I'm just not going to be the one to jump and just go What would you do to the stupid say you don't know what's going to help you in that moment? I think that is some shit the same way we talk about people tell you what to be outraged about I think that's the way people tell you to get over shit People say that shit because it sounds good. Oh, you got to forgive the person If you forgive them, then, you know, you're freeing yourself of the hate and yada yada I don't believe that because emotions are waves bro. Yeah, you know I'm saying you might do that in a moment It makes you feel better You might wake up that next morning and be like man. Fuck why that motherfucker killed my people, you know, I'm saying So yeah, that's not forgiveness. You know, I'm saying like I don't I don't know but but you're right I can't tell them How to get over something right? I will say I don't give a fuck with nobody say what I saw with that judge what I saw with that bailiff That was some great Stockholm syndrome master. We sick master We going to master we go in the jail for 10 years bullshit Will you tell me when have you ever seen a judge come off a bench and hug somebody they just sentenced? When and give him a bible that's why she's being investigated now because there's no way that shit is fucking ethical And and I don't know if it's I don't know if it's illegal But I would think that if I'm a judge on the stand, right and At the end of the sentence thing I give them a hug in a bible. You were biased So how do we know you really gave this person what they deserve to get well? She doesn't decide right the jury decides to give the sentence She get a sentence don't she the jury the jury decided guilty guilty. Yeah, and so she and she jury decides guilt Judge gives the sentence How do we know that the judge given her 10 years was actually what she was supposed to get you think that she should have gotten More years potentially for murder. Yeah, right? You walking somebody's fucking house and they just minding a business eating ice cream and you shoot them right And and and the fact that the judge was saying that to You could consider castle doctrine now. I'm not the highest grade of weed in the dispensary I'm not gonna sit in try to act like an attorney. But last time I checked castle doctrine applies to the homeowner not the intruder How to fucking the intruder get castle doctrine Somebody else's house. I don't know enough about the story. I didn't follow it that much. The only thing I know is it She her argument was she thought she was walking into her apartment And they live in the same building, right? I've done that I'm I'm just telling you I'm just telling you tell it No, no, you can but just let me get out She thought she walked in rocking into the wrong apartment. So I've been I've been in situations where I was This has happened to me in australia I thought that I was on the third floor Of the hotel. I was actually on the fifth floor. I've gone to my girl's house and I pushed the wrong button on I thought it was the 11th floor not the 13th floor or whatever the fuck it was and I've gone and tried to open the door I've knocked on the door. I've tried to figure out why the fuck I've in my this is crazy My own apartment building I I'm not going to say what floor I live on but I went to a different floor and the door was open And I walked right in to that apartment. There was my exact Line of apartment But it was on a different floor and I walked right into the apartment and I'm looking around. I'm like it's dark Wait for it. It's dark. It's the same setup as mine because structurally all the apartments look the same It's the exact same setup and I'm looking around. It's dark. So I can't really see anything But I'm like, why the fuck did I leave my door? But I didn't leave it open and I walk in and I look at the thing and I realize it's not my Apartment letter and I'm like, oh shit. I go out All I'm saying is I can believe walking into the wrong apartment easily because I've done it Yeah, but pulling a gun down and shooting somebody. That's a totally different situation That's why I said she's lying. First of all in the story. She was sexting someone that was married or something like that And She's saying like she that's how she got confused. She walked into the wrong apartment How I look at it is like you said why you're thinking to yourself. Why is my door? Um, do I write that it's not the same interior design nothing like why would you just shoot it takes a lot to pull out a gun Exactly stand over somebody and shoot him and they and they said the way the bullet hit the guy Clearly somebody was standing over him. So at some point In him saying yo what the fuck you in the wrong apartment, whatever whatever you had enough time to be like Oh, shit But you're also looking for something though. You could tell you go in someone's apartment Wherever he was sitting at was he on the sofa or something like that? Yes, okay You can tell it's not your apartment though. Like I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm over that I'm over that part of the situation what bothers me the most of This whole case is watching them hug her in the courtroom as if she was a fucking victim Ain't that much forgiveness in the world the father the father saying hey, I want to be friends with you Bro, that is some fucking That is some slave stock home syndrome. Shit, bro. I I guess I want to be friends with you shorts neither of us were in the neither of us were in the courtroom, right Realistically, nobody in this room right now knows anything about that case. Let's be honest All we know about the case is what we're told to know which was these people Are forgiving the woman that killed their son and brother and we look at that as a sign of weakness So that's one thing right with the hugs Yo, the father said I want to be your friend How do you want to invite the person that killed your son over for dinner? I don't I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could do it Again, I don't know how I would cope with a crazy situation like that. That's the fucking thing Maybe it's people by the way once again Man, you know how we talk about twitter and we talk about people making you feel like you got to feel a certain way Yeah, maybe they're not allowing themselves to feel Maybe they're not allowing themselves to really go through their emotions. Maybe they're not allowing themselves to grieve They're stifling it with forgiveness. They don't even know. Yeah, they don't know They don't even know what they truly feel because they're just they're reading all the bible scriptures and reading the affirmations And they're reading to the positive quotes and they're just like, okay Maybe if we just be positive the sadness will go away. It won't so yet. No, it won't you're a hundred percent It's not bringing that man back 100 be the case. I I don't know. I'm not exactly sure about it I just I just know I don't know enough about the case and if you're a fucking grieving person I don't know how to tell you how to deal with that. I can't tell you how to grieve and I'm not By the way, this has this really has nothing to do with the family even though it's like damn I'm looking at the show like wow, you know, but you don't think they were trying to get some pussy Man, shut up, man You don't think a little bit You don't think a little bit that White women will always be black men's kryptonite in some places saying they're looking at her She's coming in all done up, you know You know what I mean? She's been watching the trial for a few weeks or wherever long it is Mind you this happened last year though, right? Does it all I'm saying is that he knows she's going away for a while. She don't want a little something right before I think white women crying makes everybody uncomfortable second I think white women crying makes everybody uncomfortable makes me. I think friends exactly I don't think nobody's comfortable when they see a white woman crying when you see a white woman crying You feel like you about to get in trouble. Yeah, I forgive you. I forgive you. Yes. I'm sorry I'm sorry. I'm I'm dead serious I'm dead ass it when you see a white when they saw yo look one of the bailiffs the black woman bailiff Was rubbing her hair to comfort her She's my nigga. She was brushing her hair. I didn't see the brush now. I saw her brush her hair I didn't see all that but I saw her rubbing the hand. I'm like This is the she's killed somebody. You don't think she was brushing her hair like listen, you're not gonna need this You could sell it to me You don't need this in jail. Why not his hair at the end of the day. It's nice and straight India's hair is white. That's honestly how I felt. I felt I when I saw that I'm like That's some bullshit. Yo, they were using her for parts They were using it for the whole One other thing I thought I was like we making fun of the brother, you know, I'm saying what I'm making fun of them But we we judging the brother I think they hate you bro They are Haitian. I think you might have just wanted to get get close enough to get a little hair It's on It's on baby You go feel some Give it to grandma I'm gonna make this 10 years harder for you. I'm just saying just to play white I forgive you, but the puppet won't I'm just saying I'm just saying bro. It's a voodoo doll hustle. They knew exactly what they was doing Yo, I'm telling you one one of the old He didn't get the hair and he looked at the judge like do what you need to do No, no, no, no One of the og's in the family said look, I just need you to get a little piece of her hair We could handle this sentencing there you go. Oh, you thought it was 10 years there you go The second she come out the puppetry begins That's what's gonna be happening in jail She's gonna be she's gonna go mad in jail fat, but we got to find out if she's going to go mad in jail Watch you go here story anybody here to She's in a psychiatric award and everybody's gonna be like oh now she's playing crazy because she's trying to get out No I'm telling you Maybe maybe if it's not that then it's just plain. Yo, you know Stockholm syndrome. Okay. I got a wild little conspiracy for you Talk to me. Okay so Okay, here we go. I gotta be out of here in like five minutes. I think this will take three Okay, maybe maybe take a little bit longer, but maybe sure All right, you know how they're telling us about aliens Uh, yeah, okay, so they dropped that video Where the us navy says hey the aliens exist not exist, but the ufo's Videos were real. Yes, and they're we don't know what those things are They're unidentified flying Objects they might be ufo's they might not be right. Mm-hmm. Okay Um, you know how trump started space force Yes, I do with trump the one that started that. Yeah, okay. Yes, right So it's basically we need a space force. We need a force for danos is coming some is coming Bob Lazar is on Joe Rogan podcast. Mm-hmm talking about area 51 all these things are kind of happening at the same time, right? There's all this mars talk Been going on been going on but a lot of mars talk. We're talking about real mars bro. I think they there Okay, fair enough, and it's chill. Do you think it's possible? This is super conspiratorial, but the billionaires that run the world outside of United states like we're talking about the billionaire elite class that really makes shit happen Do you think they're like look? We're far too divided. We hate each other too much Instead of having a third world war where we all fight each other should we fake an alien attack convince All the people on earth that there is an outside source That could threaten the unite not the united states could threaten all the people on earth Ronald Reagan said that in the 80s He said that when he said he said he said he had a meeting with mckell govachoff and he told him he said look man You know, we're so busy warring with each other. We gotta worry about what's up there So you don't think that they could possibly fake another attack They've already been planting the seeds of of UFOs. They've been planting the seeds of aliens They've been planting the seeds of of us being out there in the world or other things being out there in the world They they fake an alien attack and then all of a sudden us and russia and us and the middle east and china All of a sudden we stopped beefing with each other And we start beefing with this fake enemy That's in the sky that they just invented. Is that a possibility? I'm not mad at that. That's definitely a possibility. Um I thought about something yesterday and I think the reason that they're slowly but surely telling us about You know ufo's and extraterrestrial they're gonna start telling us about extraterrestrials and they're gonna tell us eventually life exists Is because I think earth is the least bro And the lease is running. I think the lease is up. We can't run it back. This is a fucking lease I think that there's a power. There's powers out there greater than us life forms out there greater than us And this is a fucking lease. They have given us, you know, all the tools we need to survive They've given us everything that we need to thrive like they've given us everything everything that We could possibly have to be a functioning civilization all throughout the world They've given it to this creatures called humans. I think the lease is up. That's why I think the earth is rebelling That's why all that's climate change and global warming and all that shit like that I think the lease is fucking up and they come in the collect so That's my take on it Who is they? Aliens extraterrestrials. Oh, so you do believe that they're they're truly here and ready to go. I've always thought they were here I've never thought they were here. I thought they existed but not here No, I've always I've always thought they were here In some way shape or form. I've always thought that they've I've always thought they've monitored us In some way shape or form. I think that I think that they're very aware of us, but but where Most of us aren't aware of them But the ones that should know in certain positions in the world Do know that they absolutely exist the people that know know and it'll be the right time And it's funny because I have these conversations with my boy frosty all the time and we talk about It's like, yo, it'd be impossible for them to travel x y z and I'm like, yo The only reason you feel that way is because you're thinking based off human scale human scale Yeah, these people probably so mother they probably know how to travel time Yeah, you bend time bend space Every time you find somebody who's Bible is here when he talks about the spaceships and how the spaceships are built and how they're they're built to almost like Break the wind as he said it's like a bowling ball on a bed. Yeah to they use gravity to It's like it's like they're bending the shit like clearly. They're more advanced than us. Yeah, I mean like So for me it's like to sit back and think like, oh well now It's not possible because we can't they're not being pushed through the sky. They're being like sucked through the sky Yeah, he said it's like he said if you put a bowling ball in a bed and how the bowling ball drops Right, exactly So the the drop part is in front of the ship boom and the ship is being pulled into the drop Boom and that's why they can shift and turn at these amazing angles. Yeah I look it's it's it's an interesting time. We're alien to somebody bro Oh 100 and think about what we would do if we found some aliens Yes, and it's by the way some people on another planet like they only got one dick. Yeah, they can't believe I'm serious They probably got two or three dicks that they can change all the fucking time Like I'm telling you people are so crazy like when they talk about Why aliens would be peaceful, you know people people go. Well, why wouldn't they just be peaceful? What's the big deal is like There was a point of time where humans were alien to each other like when Christopher Columbus lands on the americas Do you think he came through peaceful like yo, what's up? Let's have a picnic Who is Trump trying to build the wall for? Illegal You can't even say that anymore with a $250,000 fine in new york. They'll say what illegal aliens get the fuck out of god They just go go that shit Oh, it's not real that's not even a sense All right, last idea Trump would be the person find the most why because he married one. Yo, by the way Yo, by the way, you know what would separate aliens think about this. You know what separate alien species from all other humans What if they just used all their brain power? What if they were capable of using all their brain power that right there would make them a hundred times more superior than us If they were capable of using their whole Fucking brain that brain right brain. How much how much percent of the brain do humans use percent? Imagine if we use the hunt imagine if you use the 100% of your brain that right there makes you a superior fucking life for Yeah, so they probably look at it's like they only use 10% of their brain. Maybe they tapped into that Okay, here's here's the last one And the only reason I'm saying is because I thought of this fucking idea and then it turns out it already exists But I thought I had a billion dollar idea I was thinking about how to save retail Um, just because all these clothing companies are going out of business, right because everybody's just buying shit online So What is that you're really sorry, okay So here you know how they have filters that go on your face for like snapchat or instagram And they can actually change the shape of your face It can add like deer ears or rabbit ears or like eyes, etc so What I was saying the biggest the biggest hiccup for me for buying anything online is I don't know how it will fit on me And how it will look on me, right? So what I wanted to do is use that same filter technology to portray a shirt on Your body. Yeah, you got to get married, bro. Wait for it Put the shirt on the body, right? And then you can adjust the shirt size based to your body size And of course your phone would be able to tell exactly how big you are and the cut in size of that shirt If you was married, you would know the technology exists. It already exists. Yeah I know I was You're for haircuts. Oh, but that has been existed with haircuts the only problem with haircuts is that Haircuts can't calculate how thick your hair is in the texture of your hair, right? But with clothing, it's all about the texture of the shirt and thickness of the shirt and pants, etc So, I mean, I'm so excited by this idea. I call my my vc buddy who's like who's you know, he's in the game You know investing in all these companies that comes in I got it I figured it out We developed this technology and then we license it to all the different clothing companies and turns out amazon echo Already developed this fucking shit. Jesus No ideas original Ain't that smart like that's why like we think these motherfuckers are like convention with google and amazon They ain't that fucking smart. You know they are smart, you know But you know what they're smart enough to do more than anything what execute. No, no, I love execution. Don't get me wrong I love execution I'm just saying coming up with the idea like they get paid every single day to just think of ideas And I thought of that when I got in a taxi on the way to report flavor too. That's why you write everything down Yeah, right everything down shoots. Yeah, everything treated like it's your jokes, bro Yeah, you're right. Each idea is like you treat your jokes Yeah, I'm saying there's no there's no idea or premise for a joke that comes in your brain that you don't Document somewhere so you can go back and flesh that shit up. Yeah, I do that shit with all my ideas I get an idea about anything I write that shit. I don't care if it's just like one line or something that sparked it Write it down. You got some heat from me from this week. Oh, I definitely got some heat. Oh, what happened this week? I got some heat. What you got? I got I got some heat. You got something. Can you share? I'll share with you off here. Oh, is that is that spicy? Um, that really I mean, it's just I mean, it's really nice. Nothing crazy. It's just some interesting things But the key is execution. Yeah. Yeah, and I did ain't shit But but but a thought if you don't motherfucking execute on it who gives a fuck I don't care, but I don't care. By the way, I used to do that shit a little duval all the time Yeah, yeah with the shirts Oh, so you're not gonna put that on the t-shirt. I I'm gonna do it. Okay. Yeah, but that puts a spark in him I'm about to do the same shit to kill a mic Because kill a mic got two good ass quotes that he has not put on a motherfucking t-shirt Will it kill your masters? Well, that's on a t-shirt. You gotta kill your master's shirt The other one is um, I married a black woman. Most of my critics did not That's a motherfucking bar The other one is um, damn. I just texted him that what was the other one? Hold on I'll tell you what the other one is right now. Hold on That was the mic shot the killer mic fucking treasure out here in the real talk Oh, what was the other one killer mic said? I'm gonna tell you right now Uh By the way, if you get a chance go listen to um Go listen to ti and kill a mic On ti's new podcast, which is absolutely probably my favorite new podcast right now I gotta do that. He hit me up about doing that podcast. You should do it, bro I would love to Damn, I can't find the quote. What the fuck is the quote, man? I don't know. I find a lady and tell y'all but Go listen to keep the go listen to kill a mic on um ti's podcast man, because I thought that shit was amazing Go listen to alex joe alex joe's wild or what? I'm one of the people that fuck with alex joe's, bro. Yo, I'm not gonna lie. I can't say who's who said this but uh I I have one, you know authority someone who I trust said did uh He said 80 of what alex joe's talks about is right I'm gonna say this and I told ti this i was with ti yesterday 80 Yeah day before I believe everything he says about the government You guys are wild, man. Bro. He's not saying nothing. That black is right. I've been saying read behold the pale horse I I'm very familiar with behold the pale horse. I think that you know in a lot in a lot of shit They try to start as a guy who was a uh an accolade of uh the author but hold the pale horse He was showing up to wakeo When I didn't know that yeah, yeah, I mean that's where he got to start Oh, well, yeah, he sounds just like you should bring in mark jacobson who just wrote the definitive book That's my guy about behold the pale horse Yo, let's bring in alex jones a lot about alex jones in his new book. Let's bring in alex jones. It's full shit So please by all means. Yo charlotte. Let's bring in alex jones. Isn't I just watch christ shit himself the entire time Oh, you're already free act like it. That's the other slogan already free You're already free act like that should be on a t-shirt Listen, I just think alex be telling the truth about a lot of this shit that goes on in the government Yeah, I can't speak on nothing else. I'm not talking about Sandy hook shit and all of that which they like which he says they lied on him about I don't know. He said he never said that he said he never said that it was a false flag He said he never said it was fake. He said he never said that I don't know if that's true or not But all I'm saying is a lot of shit he'd be talking about when it comes to like the food industry and The way wars are started and why wars are started and where people work for and who's really controlling shit I think he's telling the truth and I'm gonna tell you why else. I think he's telling the truth He's doing a while to serve us keep going. Why would they ban him? Keep going. Why would they ban him? Yo, you don't get shut down for being wrong. Why would they ban him? Shut down for being right. Chris. They banned him. Chris. I'm talking about they banned They banned you from youtube social media. Like why are they trying to shut him up so much? Why? Yes, because he's not the only person out there saying wild shit People are listening to him But he's not the only one can't even say he's like he's not the only person saying wild shit, bro He's beyond wild. Chris has never listened Chris has never listened to a single podcast Listen to Alex on t.i. podcast. Please. Please don't don't don't even enable this. He's never listened to a single interview He's never listened to a single podcast. I don't think you ever listen to a read a single book or anything like that What'd you listen to? I've listened to his podcast. Which one which episode? Come on, bro Listen to this shit. You know, you're not listening to shit. You formed your opinion. Your opinion is what they tell you to think It's exactly what we were telling it saying earlier. You are you are saying what they told you to think I think alex jones says a lot of bullshit and shit. I don't agree with but he also says a lot of shit Why I think he's absolutely right By the way, that's me with most people. I was just about to say most people would describe their relationship with you that way Exactly. That's me with most people. So i'm i'm not gonna sit here and act like i'm listening to alex jones like Damn and i'm not saying he's right or wrong. I'm just saying like that's a that's a great point Or like yo, I need to do some research into that or god damn that sounds like it could possibly be true And once again, I don't think they trying to ban and shut down the motherfuckers who aren't saying something They don't want you to hear exactly Look guys, come on. You formed an opinion about me. Please Bring in mark Jacobson. That's my guy. I know that's what i'm saying We've had mark on before who wrote a really good book about william cooper Who's the author behold a pale horse? Well, I wrote a very long article about about 15 years ago I've done a ton of research Into cooper alex jones is part of that scene and so so so do you agree with some of the stuff that's meant to behold a pale horse I mean, I think there's germs of truth that Uh, I mean, do I think the government's trying to conceal stuff? Absolutely. I don't doubt it either. Okay, so I think But when you when you listen to what mark has to say and mark traveled to arizona, he spent a lot of time around his scenes He interviewed tons of people Unfortunately, just a lot of it is complete fucking bullshit and it might be You know, it probably was a wild out of control alcoholic who made up all sorts of shit 90% of that shit is fake alex jones is essentially a performance artist who realized that he Could say certain things that would get a rise out of people and does that mean? I don't think you should question the government. Absolutely not. I think the government lies about shit every day. Do I think that those guys Revealed something or no, it's it's fucking bullshit. I'ma sit. I'ma sit here and say chris. I I probably do tend to agree with you, but I'm gonna also say boy that shit He's saying is entertaining and I don't know Do you know what I'm saying? I don't know he sounds so fucking well researched Just here's a question. Yes Is it possible that is it possible that anything any of the things he says are right? You said germs. I mean, is he talking about issues in the food industry and how it's being manipulated? Yes Yo 90% of the shit he says is in Behold the Pale Horse and I didn't even know that I just I just said that Pale horse is bullshit. Unfortunately. Okay. I wanted to be hold the be Pale horse to be true because we don't know if it's true. Let's go back. Let's go back So there's a there's a chance so there's a chance that there's a chance that some of the stuff he says is true Or none of it's true I would if I had to argue without having listened to every single podcast of his I'm guessing the vast vast vast majority of his shit So you don't think it's 60 foot praying mantis people at the border I don't think they fucking fake the bunch of kindergartners getting killed. He said he never said that I don't know if that's true or not But yeah, I don't agree with that. I don't know why the fuck he had llamas in his studio the other day, you know like Lamas he had some Michael Jackson walked around with llamas all the time. Nobody questioned it where he brought in llamas Why is the llamas the problem? He's a charismatic performance artist in my opinion Michael Jackson had llamas fucking bubbles Giraffes nobody said shit Yeah, he's just trying to ball out bro I think Chris you magic can't afford a llama real talk. That's what that should sound like to me That does I'll let him breathe. But seriously if he's somebody that you Seriously, let's we're bringing on Alex Jones. I'm interested in let's bring him on. You should listen him on to your bucket. It's very interesting I'll listen to it What if we bring Alex and mark in at the same time bring market you guys trust mark, right? That's my guy I don't know mark. You know mark og mark, man. He did he did he did that writer Yeah, he did the new yorker piece on me back in the day. Oh mark Literally just wrote a book about this about Alex Jones. We had a molly character in it bill cooper's the main feature I went to his, you know book signing at the strand me and him had lunch. I've read the book like we've had a lot of discussions about I'm not just growing this shit out there. Like I've actually done and he's saying that Alex is making shit up Absolutely. He says bill cooper did too. I don't know who bill cooper's the author of behold the pale horse and mark did a ton of research He went what if mark got paid heavily by the government just to fucking um, I don't know On their names You don't think that happens. You don't think the government has people working for them Pretty sure that mark is not on the payroll of dude. It's called controlled opposition Come on bro. That's how it works. I don't think mark doesn't scrap me that type of person But it's possible. Some people say that's what farrakhan is no way Some people say absolutely. I'm not saying that that's the case But some people say hey the reason why he's allowed to say all this shit is because certain groups need a bad guy So they can point out they beg see look see that guy hates us. I think farrakhan is allowed to say all of this stuff because he's powered by god Okay, because god will not allow anything to happen to the minister and the government knows if they lay a hand on minister farrakhan It will be hell to pay and everything that's in behold the pale horse will come fucking true Okay Listen, that's a lot of like them That's what jeffrey ebsene thought They need to get people out of there. They get people to fuck out of here, bro jeffrey wasn't doing nothing but fucking little girl's voice. What's he fucking? was he No, he did that that's the reason how crazy the only reason story's done. We don't even care But listen the only reason jeffrey ebsene is dead Yeah It's because and I don't want nobody to take it out of context when I said he was only fucking little girls and boys What I meant by that is that is the way of a lot of those billionaires. That's why they killed jeffrey ebsene They didn't want jeffrey ebsene to be the mother fucking whistleblower And do you know who probably would talk about that and probably been talking about that? Alex Jones, bro I hear mark talk about that All right, I got my guy in here man, one of my favorite authors. Uh, he goes by the name of ryan holliday He's written such books as obstacle is the way Uh, trust me. I'm lying ego is the enemy I read his daily stork every morning if you ever see me post like, um These daily stork messages on instagram They come from a book that he wrote called the daily stork and he's got a new book out right now called stillness is the mother fucking key Well, not mother fucking but stillness is the key ryan holliday. Yeah, thanks for having me. What's happening my guy? I'm much just good to be here. What what is the importance of stillness man, especially at today's society I think stillness we Is where all the good stuff in life comes from whether it's like at home or whether you're doing your work nobody does Good work makes good decisions is happy When they're overwhelmed when they're overworked when they're reactive when they're being You know and and and whether that's being reactive to external stuff or just like the shit you got going on inside It's impossible. It's impossible to be stilled in. Yeah at today's society Yeah, we certainly don't have a world that's designed to encourage stillness But I mean it's always it's always been super hard. I mean people don't like being alone with their own thoughts So they that's why they invade other countries or try to invent things or you know work work work because they They're afraid of looking in the mirror looking inside So you feel like everybody feels that way everyone struggles with it in some form or another I think and uh It's just like for people who are out like doing real stuff This the the importance of it is greater. You know what I mean? Like if you're just selling insurance in a small town Okay, the stillness isn't costing you that much just it's just probably just costing you personally You know if you play sport if you play professional sports or you perform at the highest level or if your job depends on creativity and breakthroughs like If you're if you're not able to slow things down and really look clearly and and really analyze what's happening How how you're gonna get your lunch eating So let me ask you a question if if if you know stillness is the key to happiness. How come people who? I guess Are just Bumps right like that don't have a care in the world. You know I'm saying live with a They mom they dad and like they don't have a desire to do anything more like they just sure going through life Why aren't they necessarily more happy? Are the happiest people? Yeah, yeah, I I think when you're leaving potential on the table There is like a lot of nagging doubt and I don't think I think if you if you know You're wasting your life and it's like tick ticking away. I think that's causing all sorts of existential dread What if you don't feel that way? What if you really don't feel like you're wasting your life? You just like this is just life But I think you I think deep down you feel it that's why that's why you don't want to turn off the tv because if if you are If you stop you are forced to see yourself. Got you. You know what I mean? Yeah You think that's why they say so much angry shit on the internet those people They gave them outlet. Yeah. Yeah, because they're they're really bitter deep down. They're really bitter and resentful You say on the inside panel of a book that stillness can be cynically confused for idleness Yeah, so how can you decide for the difference? Well, we think you know We think stillness is just laying around like when you think stillness you think not doing anything But I think when you're still you're actually doing the really the really important stuff, you know, I mean like even meditation Which I'm not a big proponent of but like you the person looks like they're not doing anything But actually they're exerting all sorts of Self-control, you know what I mean? Like it's hard to sit there and not have your thoughts just run like crazy That's what's work, man Yeah, so so what what does stillness look like like what is that for people that are listening right now? Like what the fuck is stillness let me just sit in one spot like what this stillness look like I think it looks it manifests itself in a bunch of different ways But like to me I think so it's like presence like when you're like for me, I'm sitting there writing I'm not thinking about anything else. I'm like all in on this task in front of me. That's one of them Stillness is like when you're really playing with your kids Do you know I like you're again, you're not you're not thinking of anything else You're just like this is what we're doing. We're sitting here playing in the sand enjoying the moment Yeah, stillness is when you're in on a walk in a park and you're You're you're actually seeing what's around you. It's not you're you know, you're not distracted You're actually seeing and experiencing what's going on Stillness is when you're you know, you've got 30 opportunities being thrown at you and you're able to sort of go Who do I actually want to be what do I actually want to do what like what gets me closer to where I want to be You know that like stillness to me is like the the batter Looking at the pitcher and deciding like which pitches to not swing at You know, but most of us were just like we think like success and life is like swing swing swing swing And it's that's that's a recipe for disaster Expand on that a little bit because I think a lot of people feel like The more opportunities that come your way you should take every opportunity and that's what success is But to me just being busy for the sake of being busy is not success No, like when I look at when I talked to people in there like the other day I was like on some phone call with someone and we were going to do something together And like the the call was scheduled for like 450 I was like you're scheduling down to like 10 minutes Like there's not like we got on the phone at 450 like we scheduled it not for 4 30 not for 5 They were scheduling down to like 10 minute blocks. I was like that sounds like a not fun life You know what I mean like because they used to like A friend of mine is a psychologist He worked for the Mets for a long time and he was telling me this like When you're starting baseball They like for especially guys from the Dominican They're like, uh, you don't walk off the island meaning like you swing off the island, right? Like you hit you get there because you swing at pitches and you hit the ball Because then you get to the majors and now it's all about plate discipline Right, like the pitchers trying to trick you into swinging at pitches you can't hit And so the key is like, oh, that's that is almost a good pitch, but it's not the right pitch You know, I got I could write any book I want, but I what's the right book You know what if if this is my last book am I doing it the right way? Am I you know that and and I we were talking about this It's like you could do lots of different ideas But the difference between the the right idea and the almost right idea could be millions of dollars or it could be The difference between hitting your audience and nobody caring and so you got to have that discipline Yeah, that's the point. I think I'm at in my life right now. Like, you know, it's Tons of opportunities out there and back in the day. I would have just grabbed everything everything everything You know me because I remember, you know hearing Kevin Hart say back in the day how he just didn't turn Anything down. Yeah, you know and now I'm at that point where I don't want to do everything I want to sit still and do The right thing. Yeah. And like what is success? What what good is success if you can't say no Yeah, you know what I mean like isn't the whole point of six to me Success and autonomy are the same word. You know, I mean like if if becoming more successful Means I have less freedom Then I'm actually less successful You know, like if if I can't say no because either like some insecure part of me is like afraid of being Irrelevant or whatever if because I say no that's not success or if success is like, you know, you hear people complaining I gotta go do this. I gotta go do this. You know, the the company says I have to or the con That's like a shitty place to be. Hmm. You know Is that the same as saying I'm a slave somebody's a slave today urges Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of people who are They're not slaves to their Their career, but they're slaves to sex or they're slaves to social media Or they're slaves to their ego. Look at like people go like why can't donald trump not tweet? Why can't it's like he does not have a choice. It's not the profession, but personally he has no Ability to stop and that that is not He's the most powerful man in the world But it actually has like the fewest options of anyone in the world because of who he is I want to get into that but to me that sounds like being a slave to relevancy All this sounds like being a slave to relevancy like if you can't say no to Opportunities or if you constantly got to be on social media It's like it's you're a slave to wanting to be with that word relevant Yeah, I mean look at the core donald trump is a slave to the attention. He needs attention And attention is a cruel mistress because it's like there's an unlimited So he's chasing it all the time and I think we know like I know people that are like slaves to drama, right? So it's like things are good And and so these are not like public people, but it's like things are good And because they don't want them to be good. They got to blow up their life. That's why they You know, they they talk behind someone's back or they you know, they get involved in this or they jump into other people's business Right like because they they can't life can't be good for them. It's got to be Like, you know, the real housewives all they're all slaves to drama. Do you know what I mean? But that's television though, so it's scripted. So actually the producers and the network so Shlave the drama because they don't have to bring people like that those people Absolutely, and then that's a crappy way to live and what's so funny about those people is they're always like Why is it like this? You know, they're always like, why is my life? Why are people always yelling at me? It's like because you can't stop yourself You know, I told you early one of my favorite chapters in the book is beware desire. Yeah And it's uh, you started off by saying every man has a passion gnawing away at the bottom of his heart Just as every fruit has this worm and it's about a Alexandra Dumas And the reason that chapter, you know hit me so hard because it talked about John F. Kennedy. Yeah He was a slave to pussy. Yeah, basically, you know and drugs too. He was on drugs too. Yeah Yeah, he had this terrible back injury. So like this was back when doctors would be like, oh, here's, you know heroin basically or whatever Really? Yeah, um, yeah, it was not it was it was not fun to be John F. Kennedy, you know But yeah, he was like in the Cuban missile or yeah in the Cuban missile crisis The world is about to end Instead of going home and seeing his beautiful wife and his kids on what might be the last day on earth He has one of his like goons bus in Some co-ed from some college so they can hook up in a white house hotel room. That's to me. That's really sad Yeah, and it was so much layers to that chapter because you talk about how he He would say he would get sick if he didn't fuck another girl every few days Yeah, yeah, he says he says this to like the prime minister of britain. He's like He's like you get headaches when you don't have sex, right? And then he was like, what are you talking about? He's like first off This is not what president should be talking about but he's like, that's not healthy, man That's bad. But that's what addiction looks like. Like we're so wrapped up in it We can't even understand how ridiculous it is. But he learned that from his father Yes, father would bring home mistresses or take them on family vacations and everyone would just have to pretend like Oh, this is susan. She's dad's friend from work That fucks you up. Yeah Yeah, I was telling you earlier like, you know when I confronted my father But cheating on my mom back in the day, he looked me in my eyes and said, oh, you only got one girlfriend Yeah He was like when you get older you go understand that shit Fuck me up because I always thought having I since from that moment on I thought having one girlfriend even though it felt super unnatural to be with five six different women I always feel like having one girlfriend something was wrong with it Well, tiger woods his dad would take his son on golf tournaments But it was really an excuse for him to go get drunk and cheat on his wife on the road and so You got we got It's not that you give tiger woods a pass, but it makes more sense Why he would blow up his amazing life the way that he did it was learned behavior It was learned. It's it's learned behavior from the person Youth are supposed to be learning good things from your superhero to the man It's you're supposed to learn, you know, I guess everything everything about being a man from You know, that's why I always say when I say we were raised wrong Especially me I always say I was raised wrong because of my father and my uncles and that reflected in even the music of hip-hop You know the misogynistic shit the shoulder this the shit like all of that was because of upbringing Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and then it I think as a father you got to go like It doesn't matter what I say it doesn't matter what my rules are It doesn't matter what schools I send them to at the end of the day Like the best thing you can do is just not be a shitty person in front of your kids Yeah, or not even because some dads they're like, oh, I'm good when I'm around my kids, but my in secret I'm I'm fucking around it's like no you got to be a good best thing you can do to be a good dad is just like Be a good person Can a person like that ever find stillness meaning like you're John F. Kennedy you're the president So you present one way. Yeah, but behind the scenes you move in a whole another way Can a person like that ever truly has stillness? I think I mean it's it's tiger wood said this He's like look when you're lying and cheating your life is actually not fun It might seem fun to other people, but it sucks. Tell me about it. Um, so I stopped cheating. Yeah Yeah, who wants to have a secret life? So I think you've got It's hard and you got to be willing to commit to do and work on yourself and you got a You got it so you got to do that I think most people are not willing to do that work and you said something in the book man You talked about and I know the feeling you talk about how you feel After You cheat. Yeah, like the guilt. Yeah the the the lying, you know what I'm saying? The the disloyalty like, you know, you don't feel trustworthy. You feel like a fucking snake Yeah, you just finished doing some dirt and you going back and laying with this woman that you claim to love You know what I'm saying, but you know you you bullshitting there and I'm like that feeling doesn't feel good Right, so you want to flash forward to that thing? You know as you it's like Uh, it's it's like when people want to buy something really expensive It's like think about how you actually feel after you, but you feel guilty It's like this wasn't worth it. You know like so so don't get caught up in the rush or the desire of the thing You got to go like how am I going to feel after like it's like how you feel right after you come Do you know what I mean? You feel guilty, right? Like there's a like stuff feel a little tired Yeah, you feel tired, but you you got a swore you don't go like ah That was worth all of it. You know like that's not the feeling you feel it is worth it But not worth all of that's what I mean But your mind as you want whatever that thing is whether it's like a Bentley or whether it's that You want to break up with someone or whatever, you know, whatever that thing is you tell yourself when I get what I want It's going to be amazing the experience is going to be amazing But that's just how the mind tricks us into You know like it's good evolutionarily to cheat, you know, like that makes sense. What do you mean break that down? Well, it's good evolutionary to cheat. Well, so write this down you cheaters. You might can use this at home This might be a good one. Think about it like the more people you have sex with that's better for your DNA Like the spread of your DNA so you could see why like spreading your seat Yeah, you could see why your genes are like i'm gonna trick charlemagne into blowing up his life To have one extra kid. That's good Over generations, but as far as like your personal happiness, like it's lying to you Well, hold on now. Let's talk about that a little deeper, right? Like because think about it If that which could what you're saying means a natural thing if my genes are telling me to do something That means it's natural. What keeps me from doing it is Legislation basically, you know what I'm saying? Well, there's this thing called the natural the naturalistic fallacy We're just because it's natural doesn't mean it's right. It's like think about it Uh, it's natural to be jealousy or to be jealous. It's natural to be irrationally angry at thinking someone might Uh be in love with your wife or girlfriend Uh, still not okay to murder them But like your brain might in the heat of the passion might be like I gotta do this, you know Like so evolutionarily we have these drives that make sense If we're monkeys, we're not monkeys and we're not just like the sole goal is not The propagation of our dna. The goal is to be Uh, fully realized human beings, but you don't take vows not to be jealous You don't take vows not to be envious, you know what I'm saying? Like you can't You can't get a divorce and lose half of everything because you're jealous of somebody, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, but I think I think like what marriage is or what relationships are is A short-term trade-off for long-term gain But we're really bad at doing like it's like you know if you Take your savings and you put it in the stock market over 40 years It'll be worth a lot But if you're watching the news every day, you're like, I gotta sell it. I gotta put, you know So it's like we make we realize that as human beings. We're we're we're really bad at like Evaluating things in the short term and we often do things that are in our long term Not in our interests, but in the short term feel emotionally fulfilling or Anxiety reducing or whatever. So like I think that's why we may have vows and that's why we have structure And that's why we have friends who try to keep us accountable They're like what they're saying is like that might feel good right now, but you're gonna regret it later And so that's what we got to work on and you said a person enslaved to their urges is not free Yeah, I mean look there are billionaires. I know that feel much less Rich than like totally ordinary middle-class people that I know like Seneca who I write about a lot in the books You know, he's like poverty is not having too little. It's wanting more So I like let's not be flip about people who are in real poverty But like what what the the pop in the first world What poverty usually is is feeling like you don't have enough because you're comparing yourself to other people So you meet these billionaires and you're like, oh your life must be awesome, but it's like no they're like Grinding every day because they're they can never feel like they have enough When it comes to somebody like John F Kennedy, right? What if pussy is this illness? So, uh, they've talked a lot. They talked to a lot of John F. Kennedy's girlfriends And like so first off from what we understand because of his like terrible back injury sex probably hurt He just had to lay like basically he had laid there on his back And then like the woman was on top. He's the president of the united states of america. Why should he be doing the fucking? No, but it's because physically it was painful for him. They they were like it was mechanical And it was joyless and it was like it was basically like masturbating with somebody's help That's what sex was for him. And so it wasn't like Like like maybe it maybe there's somebody who's just like i'm a romantic and for me It's about falling in love and the connection and the experience I ain't got to offer that when you're married. I need a president. You gotta get back to work But but for him it was a compulsion just in the way for someone else compulsion might be getting high Or it might be, you know, like for donald trump the compulsion is like i gotta Have attention. I gotta dominate. Yeah, you know, it's like he's not enjoying this like it sucks So they can be no stillness in that whatsoever like because i think people do things like that for an escape, right? Yeah, I don't think there can be stillness in anything you're doing like look traveling is wonderful Uh and beautiful, but I have a friend who's like clearly addicted to traveling Like He can't be home for more than a couple days before he's like planning the next trip. Yeah, so that's it when he lands in rome or when he lands in bangkok He's having a fundamentally different experience than I am. I'm breathing it in. I'm enjoying it. This is wonderful This is different for him. He's like He's on the run Yeah I can see that though because I tell people all the time, you know, one of the main reasons I started going to therapy is Is because I was on vacation and and I had this sense of Serenity in this sense of no anxiety and no worry for this moment I was like, yo, how can I feel like this all the time? Yeah, because I can't take vacations all the fucking time You know, I mean, of course not. So he's he's probably chasing that Yeah, yeah, and it look at what we're really good at is taking that thing and turning it into our job right like A lot of people's escape is their work, you know, it's like work Work you control, right? But other people are complicated life is complicated Our emotions are complicated. So we go like I'm going to do this thing. So I never have to think about how angry I am at my dad or How lonely I feel or what a you know, what a loser I feel like and so we we do do do So we don't have to look in the mirror But if like there's a story I tell about in the book Johnny Cash comes off tour one day And he lands at lax. He walks up to the counter And he goes like I would like a plane ticket She's like to where and he's like wherever the next plane is going like he He worked all that he worked for months and he doesn't even want to leave the airport to go home Because he's running from what's at home. Yeah. Yeah, that's terrible. That's not success No Chris feel free to jump in on this if you want to because I saw you shaking your head when you were talking about Johnny Kennedy being whack in bed and I was like damn to Chris. Fuck him. But no, I mean, that's Pretty well known. I mean he he was pretty much like I guess we call it like an amphetamine addict and they were also shooting them up with Basically, like you would call it like a happy shot. I think is how they described it where, you know, he So he had Addison's disease, which is that like an autoimmune? I don't know. Yeah It was like it was just super painful and then he heard his back and which was legit Yeah, the PT, you know when he was in he was a war hero Uh in world war two and during the incident that kind of made his fame I guess legitimately he busted it back up pretty badly. So Hey man, I don't I don't know what John F Kennedy's like in bed. I only know it from uh I'm into James Elroy. I don't know if you've read any of his stuff So well and and it was it's not just like he wasn't that good and better But like he hooked up with like a german spy. He hooked up with like a mob boss's girlfriend He would he was almost addicted to the thrill of hooking up with people that were really Like right, you know, they say like in sex addiction. It's like is this causing problems in your life It's like when you're president you're hooking up with a mob boss That's one of the reasons they think the mob might have been involved in assassinating and he was all tied up in this Yeah, I mean if if you believe elroy elroy is a fiction writer at least for the most part Kennedy was exposed. He was vulnerable because Everybody knew what his addiction was and they would descend drugs and pussy adam and he couldn't say no And if you want to make a parallel, I mean you guys are talking about trump's addiction. Yeah, it's exposed him It's his vulnerability. So it's these guys who Get to a certain point and they can't say no to these things and then people pray on that So trump's addiction is attention. It's attention, but it's also sex. I mean, I think I mean, I think If you were to dig into trump sex life He's been rolling in those circles with the ebstings with the clintons whoever it is like it's it's pretty much in plain sight Have a heads down. I wouldn't be mad at trump for that though Only because he's not a traditional politician like, you know, he didn't grow up supposed to be squeaky clean as He's a reality show star playboy billionaire, you know, I mean but and and like less high stakes like a good example is like what happens is Like your people's identity like they're so insecure that they need to always be accomplishing to feel good about themselves And that's why they can't say no to stuff. So they can't say no to this Half good opportunity because like the insecurity of pat. They're like, oh, I'm not gonna there's this I talk about in the book, but there's this crazy video of jones rivers where they're like jones Why do you keep working so much like and why do you do all these like crappy things? She's like look at my calendar She's like she flashes forward a couple months and she's like see these blank page. See these blank dates She's like if this isn't filled up, it means I'm nothing and my entire career was a waste And you're just like, oh man, that's so sad You're like one of the best who ever did it and all you're thinking about is like if I'm not working in Atlantic City in some tiny room three months from now like I suck So that's that cold and power quote of void having your ego so close to your position that when your position falls Your ego goes with it for sure for sure Now I want to talk about uh, except the higher power that yeah Because I thought that was a very dope chapter because you quote this philosopher named nassim And you say it seems to let you would like him Nassim to lab. He uh, he wrote this book the black swan and a book called anti fragile I need to fuck with him. Yeah, he's great. And you say it's not that we need to believe that god is great Only that god is greater than us. Yeah, it's found on that a little bit like For a long time I was an atheist I grew up religious and I became an atheist and then What I came to believe is that I can't quite get there I can't quite get there that there's a god But what I've worked towards is the is more the humility of like, I don't know You know what I mean when you have this certainty of like, how can I possibly know? I've read one book like I know at the same time I think it's a little ridiculous people like there's definitely a god and he's talking to me And he's telling me what to do that strikes me as a bit egotistical too, but like I want to get to a play like to me it's more like My understanding of god or higher power and this is what they talked to you about in 12 step groups. It's like It's just like that you're not in control You know like that The universe is is in control. You are not you are not the center of the universe it's like Whether you believe there is a god or not is almost secondary Is almost less important than just let's stop believing that you're a god In your case, this is funny, but uh, you know You know like people walk around going like i'm god the universe revolves around me And then there then something bad happens and they're like, what's the how could this happen? Why me and it's like because bad shit happens to people every day and you're not special Well, I mean I call myself god because you know in genesis chapter 126 says god created man in his image According to his likeness and you know, I grew up studying the five percent teachers And the five percent teachers teach you that the black man is god and god is a greek word You know derived from the aramaic words guma all the barge means withers crimson beauty So the the greek students used to identify their egyptian teachers is that yeah, you know what I mean? So i'm not saying i'm god Yeah, the the creator end all be all i'm just an extension of That higher power. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's right and i'm like, uh, you you just you just have to You need something above you Right, so you don't so your ego doesn't fill up that space. Yes. Andrew shows just walked in show see I'm sorry. I'm late. How you doing? What up heather? For sure We're talking about this chapter in uh stillness is the key card except the higher power you say But people who don't believe in god and you you just said it a little bit if you say we are You you say if we are products of evolution and randomness, right? So this is for the atheists Yeah, like the people who think it's about science gravity physics like but you still have to accept that There is something bigger than you why why don't people not want to accept that something's bigger than them? Well, because we want to be the center of the universe We want to we want this illusion that like we're in control And that this is all like just the idea that like we're like monkeys on this rock spinning in space That's like frightening. It's it's frightening. It's very it's very humbling. So we'd rather be like, oh, no, uh Like I am the the It's all about me Like, uh, this is special. Like it's just the idea that like, uh Who knows like I think that humility is really important. What's what's strange to me is like How can you not be humble if you just look at the world? Yeah, you know I'm saying like just look at the earth travel look Open up the window on a plane and look out there Like you know what I mean go look at some mountains Look at other animals and other species like how can you not be humble? But people are too busy watching reruns of big bang theory on the plane to look out the window Right like that. So we we you have to be that's what stillness is about is about taking that time to do that Because what comes out of that is like more self-awareness and humility and some quiet and I think also gratitude You know just the idea of like Oh, this is totally random But somehow it worked out for me that like I'm a lot like it doesn't make any sense that we're like So if you look at it from an evolutionary scientific standpoint, it's absurd that we're here like the odds that we're here is like So astronomically preposterously unbelievable That you should almost get to the same spot as like no god made all this and wants to for me Yeah, because it's it's still That equation like how do you balance the equation? There's always people starving there's always people struggling and you have all this abundance. Yeah without thinking someone's looking out yeah, yeah, yeah, there is uh the Result of this kind of thinking should be an immense amount of gratitude And an immense amount of satisfaction with what you have rather than going like Well, yeah, all that's really good But if I don't have the most money out of all the people on the planet then then it sucks to be me Right. Is is that how you balance your success? Yeah, yeah, yeah I think like how many people would kill to have one book let alone this many and like I'm gonna be sitting here and going but this person's book came out at the same time They sold 10 percent more copies. This was a failure like right, you know Like there are people who I just found out their kids have cancer like this is ridiculous. This is it's In gratitude is preposterous if you think about it that way I was thinking more like I've noticed a theme with your books is kind of like understanding this world Yeah, that we're in and like even understanding success Yeah, and is is this your way of trying to like cope with your success or you're like, I think so All right. Do you believe in god? Are you I've gotten I'm agnostic. I just don't know right You don't know so it's like okay. Let me search for another reason why I have all this fucking success because there's got to be a reason Yeah, I can't be that you're just so special. I it's definitely I definitely remind myself It's not because I'm special right. I think it's because I got dealt a hand and I played the hand well Right. I'm feeling like you special about it. Well, that's the tough thing. It's right It's like you look at a guy like especially, you know, we've all come from How do we say I don't want to say just because you come from like privilege, right? Doesn't mean that you're going to be as successful as you are, right? So like the three of us in this room have come from different levels of privilege, right? But like we've all achieved we've all out achieved our success. Yeah, right You look at charlemagne It's it would be hard for you to not look at yourself as special I look at you as special seeing from where you came from to where you are now How do you balance? How do you tell him? How do you go? You're not special like how the fuck But listen, I get what Andrew's saying because I think feeling like you're special is what It's an advantage propels you is what helps you get to this point Like ryan, you're not the average author I read a lot of books like you're one of my favorite authors for a reason But so here's here's why you want to keep that in check. Napoleon special guy, right? He comes from nothing. He accomplishes all this Second name, right He's very special. He's brilliant. He's Account and then he goes that people are like hey invading russia bad idea. They got this winter And kills a lot of people and you're not ready and he goes i'm special The rules don't apply. So so you keep it you keep it in check because it makes you overreach, right? I don't feel like that Right. Yeah, I feel what you're saying though, but I don't yeah, I don't because I'm I'm I'm open to learning new things and I'm open to other people's You know critique and other people's opinions. So that's the distinction I make between confidence and ego Confidence is like I know what I'm capable of. I know what I what I what I've done I know what my skills are, but I also know these are my flaws Right ego is like, of course, I'd be a good president, right like Even though I have no training and a horribly unpresidential temperament and threatened by other people By other smart people and I don't play by the rules. I'm just you know, you you get where I'm going like it's He had a skill set that made him good at running for president, but terrible at being president and and But the irony is like he could have been a good president Just like basically anyone could be a good president if you just willing to listen You're willing to listen and go hear my weaknesses. I'm going to Take uh steps that counteract those weaknesses got you that so to me That's where that specialness is like whatever I want. I'm gonna do like Kanye West super talented He looks at his success in music. He goes, of course, I'm gonna crush it in fashion You know and then ends up losing 30 plus million dollars because you can't you can't go like well These strengths that work for me in the music business are going to work against me here So like what countermeasures am I going to put in a place? Did he go and make like a billion dollar business now? I don't yeah, yeah, but maybe so maybe he maybe he did it but But you get what I'm saying. I heard you say I heard you say just because you're good at one thing Doesn't mean you're gonna be good at everything. Okay. Here here's something I often think about like with athletes and it's easier I think compartmentalized with athletes, right? It's like You're you're a pitcher, right? So You you've gifted with this natural ability to throw the ball like fast and accurate, right? But you want to take that to an elite level, right? So all of a sudden maybe you start swimming because you've realized that motion swimming like work certain muscles And you work the muscles in your hands You try to get that competitive advantage on the people in your field by like doing specific things I remember Kobe Bryant said when he was trying to play D on the Allen Iverson He studied the movements of sharks because he thought I moved like a shark. He's like, maybe I'll help me do it, right? And I often think like how do we Let's call this the intellectual field even though it sounds douchey to even say but like how do we outside the Physical field like get these competitive advantages. I feel like I'm at my best when I'm emotionally Abundant or like full When I like I'm not operating from the void of how do I feel good or validated I'm actually over and I can be like, man. I love your book Ryan or charlman. You're the best And like I feel like I can get from a pure place. Yeah, when I don't need when I'm not taking, right? So I'm like, how do I set myself up? To be like that I don't maybe you can't be like that all the time, but the most amount of time Yeah, right And I feel like when I've you know, just dabbling into your stuff a lot of that is just coming to this piece of Not needing yeah, and therefore there's much to give but I can't be there all the time Yeah, you know, I don't I don't think you can be all there be there all the time I think you got to work It's you get there in in brief glimpses and that's where the good shit comes from right but um Yeah, I think people go like if I'm content if I'm happy if I have enough if my identity is not tied up And won't I stop moving forward and it's like actually no you're going to make better work I think at least I do like when if I'm writing and I'm thinking about like Oh, this is going to prove those people wrong. This is going to make so much money You know, this is like when I'm sitting there envisioning all the success Not only am I like not actually thinking about the thing in front of me, which is like I should be thinking about It's like You should be not thinking about winning the world series You should be thinking about the pitch you got to throw, right? But I think I'm I think that like toxic Smallness or whatever is also I think the reader can sense it You know what I mean? Like when you're coming from a place where you're pure And you're connected and you really mean it and you're sincere That's the best you it's like if you're trying if you're if you're trying to Pull if you're if you're like meeting someone and you're trying to like impress them That's when you're the least impressive. Yeah, and I agree with you I think that you know when I think people can feel your intention But I think Was sad about the area we live in now people feel What they think your intention is more than your actual Intention, you know I'm saying because based off whatever position you may be in if you throw something out there They're not going to think it's genuine. Are they not going to think it's really because you know Yeah, you care about the work or it's only like two hundred and eighty two hundred and eighty characters That's like a fraction of a person, you know, like we're not dealing with each other. We're dealing with each other through these Misleading mediums even when you deal with each other though. It's like do you ever find yourself? pulling back on your natural reaction Out of fear that that person might think you want something from them that you actually don't sure, you know like Like a person in a position of power you you kind of just want to be like Man, I just love everything you do. I think you're so great at it But if I say that they're gonna think that I'm trying to work them or get some kind of thing out of that I should just I should just say it. Yeah, let's just not give a fuck even if they think that right If it's a real If it's a if you can dig a little deeper meaning like it's not generic don't be generic like Quote the actual Andrew Schott's joke right tell me a line out of Ryan holiday's book Then I know it's real, you know, I'm saying because I'm not gonna front out over here conversation sometime and I'll be like Motherfucking but when I hear like, yo, I remember this, you know, this such a chapter he called a line in the movie I'm like, okay. He's really he really fucks with that person. Yeah. Yeah. So it has to it has to seem Authentic it has to seem genuine. We're not seem it has to be yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you can just tell Yeah, yeah Now you you say keeping a journal gets you closer to stillness Yeah, like we're talking about getting to that place of of what like it's like I want to I want to take all the all those nasty weird thoughts and like put them down on paper You know, urge them. Yeah, get rid of them. Like don't carry them around. It's like it's like windshield wipers Don't put them on twitter. Yes. I think that is the smart lesson that we've learned. Yes, right No, no, don't think this shit out loud. You can get private like the journal is your safe your safe space What about a good group chat? Like-minded fucked up thing I saw I just want to know that is this one ripped. It was a good reaction I'll need the whole world to notice a couple people. That's how our validation matrix has changed It doesn't need to be twitter I think with like athletes particularly young ones. It's like people It's like no one said like hey, you can have a thought and you don't have to tell two million people Right, you can be mad at someone and keep that to yourself. Yeah, right? Unless you're doing it like Gucci's doing it probably to get attention Like if you're doing it like I like when a coach Clearly got a technical on purpose to rally the players like that I respect But it's like when you're so jerked around by remote You can't stop yourself from saying something like the the trump, you know the trump tweets where it's like It's so obviously a bad idea, but you do not not do it. He was going all caps like marrow Bro that was that that's how I know he was going through it when he did all caps, man I get anxiety when I don't say what I want to say though Because I'll be beating myself up like y'all should have said that I should have said that yeah That's to me. That's what the journal is for that's what like your wife is for You know like that's your friends are for and then like what you put out in the world You go like is this the best version of me? Yeah, I was like this is this who I want to be you know And it's the worst when you're on tv and like you're doing like a panel show and you You think of it, but you're like, hey, I'm not gonna say it and then somebody else says it and you're like fuck I think a little bit, uh, so uh There's an emerson thing. He says in other people We see our own rejected thoughts with like an alienated majesty Like he's like we see the things that we were too scared to do in other people And and we go, ah, you know, I think that's what you're feeling a little bit We talked about the torii earlier before you get out of here. I want to talk about the torii again What is the torii? That's the moment of enlightenment That's the moment when you slow things down when you've done the work when you've done the reading you've gone Like, you know when you have that breakthrough in therapy, I thought that was that number game in the square What is that? Uh, I don't even know what that is, but I know yeah Satori is when you go, oh I've been doing this for 20 years because I really just want my dad to be proud of me You know Like that that's what that is or you go. Oh, this is what makes life like to me I had it with moments when I kid I go. Oh, this is this is happiness Which call a breakthrough basically. Yeah. Yeah, exactly exactly Then I love what you said you said you cannot get the torii by focusing on what's obvious Are by sticking with the first thought that pops into your head. Yeah, and it makes me think of comedians But what makes a good comedian is not focusing on the obvious, you know, I'm saying not saying what everybody else is Saying, you know, I mean, yeah, well, I hear from people that they're like, oh, I'm gonna like they'll like dictate a book Right. They're like, these are my thoughts. It's a book and it's like actually no the book is like The iterate it's like the the joke is not like I had this idea very rarely I imagine is a joke come out fully formed It's you have the the idea of the joke and then it's the process of refining and you might change out every single word Over a six month period until you get it down. It's like You distill it down to its absolute essence and best That's what writing is and I think that's also like what's the torii. It's not just like Oh, I get it. It's this it's like, no, you got to be this got to be rolling around in your head You got to talk about it from every it's it's work man. It's like like when they go, um You know a lot there's these zen koans where it's like, you know, what is the sound of? One hand clapping what what what did your face look like before you were born? These are like insane questions But it's the point of like you got to think about that for like 10 years and then magically whatever it means comes to you Why did you start caring about this stuff? What do you mean? Like why are you drawn to this? I think I'm just trying to figure out what What it is, you know, like I'm just like that's that's what I do is like what what are we here for What is life? What is life? What's the right way to live? That's what to me? That's what philosophy is about and that's what I love. Are we figuring out Are we figuring out what is life once you have abundance? Well, it's easier, right? That's what the hierarchy of needs is it's like look first you got to have food You got to have shelter. Yes, you got to not be abused. Yes, and then you get there There's there's a difference between survival and living thriving and thriving Yes, and it's like yeah, I thought about this a lot like like so few human beings get to the point where They can stop working to live. Yeah, and that means they're actually Living they're not surviving like course. I'm still surviving. I make a great amount of money But I'm still surviving because I got to keep working or else. Yeah. Yeah, sure I'm not gonna live Is that what you're trying to figure out? Are you trying to figure out living the post of surviving? I think so and do those same principles Help people who are still surviving. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think what we should be doing is learning from the people who have Actually I think so many people like off figure like no, let's we want to like there's a quote I have in the ego book It's like any fool can learn by experience. I want to learn from the experiences of others. He always quotes you on that Oh, nice. Yeah, we're build we're building and so yeah It's like I'm maybe I'm a little bit ahead of some people But other people are way ahead of me and we're I think we're all just working on the same project Yeah, there's a uh, there's something always sticks with me It's like every broke person you talk to thinks when they get money, they'll be happy And every rich person you talk to is like money is not the key to happiness. Yes That's the fact though, but you got to get money to really get money real It's hard to take advice from people That's that's the beauty of like like true communicators is they can communicate In a motion that they feel that someone hasn't even experienced yet And the person who hasn't experienced it trusts them. Yeah, sure That's the tricky part about writing a book like this even of course Yeah, look and the thing is like different books will hit you at different times So like that's why I'm a big proponent rereading and working on all that. So that's actually a I shouldn't say that on him. But that's actually a book I want to do is what? A because we always uh, you know pick up books based off successful people, you know Me what about the things about failure? Yeah, what about the things? No, what about the things you learned from people who Didn't just fail. They are real failures. Like yeah crackage. Yeah. Yeah. I say no for real Like you can learn a lot from crack heads in the hood like like I want to write something from that perspective Because a lot of times the things that we didn't do is because we saw other people make those mistakes before us Of course, do you know what I'm saying? There's uh, I mean chappelle I think went early on in his career He would say he would watch the people that were great at comedy and the people that were bad To find out what not to do. Yeah and what to do and I'm sure you do that with radio I'm sure we all do that if you're really paying attention like even like athletes that works not going to move because of that Okay, let me get that out of here. Yeah, for sure All right, my man ryan holiday Still, this is the key is out right now. You can get it wherever you buy books Um, give me a twitter than instagram and all that good stuff ryan at ryan holiday pretty much everywhere and then at daily stoic And uh, yeah, oh, yes the daily stoic. You know, I read the daily stoic every single morning Like that's one that's one of three affirmations that I take in every morning All right, let's get the fuck out of here. Uh, thank you ryan holiday for pulling up on us I don't know where duane is going to insert that in this podcast. We gave him over two hours to do my I came late I'm sorry. I thought we were recording at 10. So if it's a little out of order We kind of start with us and then ryan's in and then he leaves and then comes back and I'm not there But it was it was sorry. We're a day late man. We've been running around. Um, I was in at latest weekend. Um Just doing what I was doing. I'm on the way to Atlanta now. So we're gonna name this podcast lateness is the key Okay, lateness is the key andrew was in australia. Yes, you're working baby, but you know better late than clever. Hey, huh? That sounds good But as always if you look to this podcast, you think we're smart. 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