 All right, I'm gonna go ahead and just record it and you if you can record a version of it as well, Tom So that we have it that would be great and You can go ahead and get started And I'll give you a host in a second Okay, let me let me do the record first. Oh And I need to get host back here Okay Hold on a second. Let me just make sure I'm logged into my oh, you know what here you go Manage switch account. Let me here. I think I got it This is what you're trying to do when you're trying to rush things around. All right No worries. Good morning everyone. All right and Good morning All right. All right. I am recording and I'm just going to go ahead and make you a host Make the host Tom and go ahead and you can get started Okay, let me I'm the host. Thank you for down this computer. So we got that going Let me start sharing screen with three. We're going to go one more minute here and then we'll Rock and roll So if you're listening on recording you can fast forward a minute here Share screen share Okay And Amy you're almost ready, right? Yes Beautiful, okay We're in business So when it flips to 1104 on my uh, my computer here, we're gonna roll And I see some folks. Let's see who's out there ben alisha Brett. Thanks for joining Andrew Okay, why don't we get rolling here? So folks, thanks for joining Today's hyper ledger supply chain special interest group session on keeping pace with blockchain and ocean transportation. So Uh, it's about a month or so ago I was reading supply chain management review and I always look for blockchain articles when I'm reading The magazine and there was a great article in there that amy is one of the co-authors In the of the article there were three three folks and Uh Amy has agreed to come and share Uh, some of the insights that she and her co-authors have around Basically improving blockchain usage In ocean transportation and lots of us know about trade lens out there And what I thought was interesting is how they've taken what trade lens is doing and they're applying some More intellectual capital or more thought to it in order how to improve it So I like I like the maturity and I thought it would be good for our group to hear a little bit different view of how to enhance blockchain situation or blockchain Applications out there in the real world. So, um This is all being recorded. 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So, uh, thank you daniel for that So with this let me stop sharing and i'm going to Allow now amy to grab The screen here and share with us our presentation As amy and I talked before in questions are okay Can you grab it amy the present? Yes. Yes, please. Yeah, yeah, you should oh you should be able to share your screen now Okay, let me do that. Okay. Um, amy has said that she's good with questions along the way here So free free to ask them either in the chat and i'll bring them up or you know, just just jump on in on your bike and uh, jump on in here So with that amy, it's all yours It's all yours Thank you. Thank you tom and thank you tom for this great opportunity to share some of our research ideas And I also like want to thank everyone for being here Uh for this discussion I wanted this make this more like a discussion opportunity to You know share ideas with you guys. So so feel free to Stop me if you have a question. So we can always I may not have answer Okay, but we always we can always have a discussion on so so the topic I want to talk about is uh keeping pace with blockchain in ocean transportation And this is the article we recently published at supply chain management review Okay So why will uh started this research, right? It's because of ocean transportation. It's going through very very difficult time right now. Um Even before the pandemic right ocean transportation has like this fears competitions in there and it's the over capacity issue is very severe there and We see bigger and bigger vessels going to adopted in ocean transportation and And people just focus too much on price and Because of this global transportation global trade This is kind of like unbalanced. So we see a lot of Full containers going okay in one direction Okay across Pacific Ocean from China to us. Oh, you know, and but we see like a lot of empty Containers going back So this is routes unstructured unbalanced, okay, and also the because of fuel cost chain, you know that and So so ocean transportation the service Is not that good and not to mention like I think the top seven big carriers They probably control like 70 60 to 70 or even higher of the overall market So it's an industry With a very high threshold to join because you needed to have big vessels and Also, but it's also an industry with not so many players because we have a limited number of big Uncarriers in ocean transportation Traditionally the people use a lot of paper document and It costs a lot of time And also it's a very costly in communication and all that So absolutely, this is the industry need innovation and it's going through changes And probably some of you are aware of what's happened recently with the bottom of canal Accident And yeah, so something happened, you know, it just can Severely interrupt the You know global or ocean transportation industry So we we'll actually look at there's a quick question there from Ben When you're talking is this containers bulk or all of the above And I'll let Ben clarify that if it needs clarifying Ah What I mean is the container ship a lot of the vessels with the container the container ship vessels Then they come so you're thinking more from a container ship perspective as opposed. Yeah. Yeah, where I'm shipping oil Or I'm shipping. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no container ships. Yeah, okay. Got it And I I have a question also when you mentioned about uh a number of the Containers going back empty to china Have you have seen any stats on that? that I know there were a lot of stranded containers with all the disruptions due to co vid But I'm wondering, you know How many of those containers going back to china are empty is a 10 10 20 percent 30 50 This this I have to really dig into find out the number. Okay fair fair enough Yeah, yeah, we need to see data point as opposed. Yeah, and it also depends on the seasons Right. Okay. That makes sense. Okay. Good. Thank you. We'll let you continue Yeah, so um, so in ocean transportation people has been constantly researching for like a new technology and all that innovations so in 2016 Launched by a MERSC and IBM The trigger lens is launched by MERSC and the IBM and so far It's the largest example of blockchain in global transportation So in this research we are digging a little bit about what's happening with the trigger lens and also we wanted to We also proposed some strategy to further, you know, in all Idearies our opinions to further Improve the adoption of blockchain in ocean transportation We call it a pace p a c e the four letters a strategy. We're going to talk about it later on So what we have is trigger lens in our opinion Has been very successful Ever since it's launched just so many shippers and carriers and 3pl, 4pls, poles and terminals, you know Even government agents have joined the this blockchain. Now there are more than a hundred Members or we call actors in this blockchain and it's still expanding and all this Big part of the major like carriers already in this blockchain And it is a permissioned blockchain So this is a In our opinion is a very successful story of Adopting blockchain technology in industry in applications So the strategy we propose We call it a pace basically is permission Authorization Consolidation and expansion. So that's p a c e Yeah, so what are we looking at is how we should like adopt Like the blockchain technology in ocean transportation Um, we propose like it should be started at least started with a permissioned Okay, blockchain is dated This open source one. Um, the reason is Ocean transportation Um, we need a lot of you know with a document. Okay, we need a lot of security and we also needed to have the trust Build up in this blockchain And we know technology maybe blockchain technology tender tender to be okay Uh secure Well information or sharing but still for people to join it We have to have the trust Okay, and as permissioned blockchain You know while someone in order to join it needs to get Approved okay before head so make other members feel Okay, secure And also we also wanted to Kind of limit or control what type of information is shared in this Okay, disability ledger How much to share we want more control and limited access to the operational data With that, I think permissioned Blockchain makes sense and that's what a trigger is is doing so far So that's the thing we wanted to started with the permissioned blockchain and then we wanted to expand Okay, and another thing is we proposed the authorization Idea, basically we when we started with the permissioned blockchain We don't want it to give power equal power to all the members So we wanted to gradually build up our credit in this blockchain and so we have actors certifiers and registers like in the Traderlands situation that registers is IBM because IBM has the technology And certifiers will be They feel bigger players carriers That can check the background though, you know somehow know the information to approve actors and we also wanted to Build us something we call the parliament Right now Traderlands has advisory board okay Yeah, but we wanted to involve more actors and Certifiers, you know have some kind of full process that Make other smaller Players were able to join in making decisions in this blockchain Like in making decisions about how much information to show how to control this blockchain how to connect with other blockchains, right? So we wanted to you know Okay, I'll build up This is structure inside of blockchain. That's the idea we called authorization and another idea we Want to promote is consolidation So we as we mentioned at the beginning ocean transportation the competition is very fierce And we have big players carriers like if I'm a merc I have like this huge vessel Like 20,000 containers each time for the two I have no time to or no energy To communicate with some small shipper who only want a half a container So as consolidation means not not so much taking the seven big ocean going Companies out there and can sell them down. You're saying bringing them together better I'm thinking bringing the shippers together like those companies who are using this shipping service, right? I wanted to ship something like a one container two containers like it's not going to deal with me Their ship is so huge. Okay. So right now like you have to deal with the three pl Yeah, even four pl and you and you have to wait because you're small Okay, and you don't get a good price either Okay, but if as a shippers like I'm a small shipper, but as a shipper I can we can consolidate like we have like 100 shippers together We put in a bigger like a request Okay, we want 100 containers Okay, and we got a better deal from us. We have the negotiation power So in effect in effect You this is shipper focused and that you would you'd be able to instead of using a three pl four pl That create that discounting or power now having it more broad broadly based. Yeah Yeah, it can do this way super side, but also you can also be from the carrier side. So for example, I'm a carrier I'm I'm doing this Trans-Pacific shipping scheduled, but I only have half of my ship before Okay, and I have another company cmd has another half of the ship for okay. We don't have the enough demand this time Okay, what we do is we can consolidate And make it one ship Okay, one bigger vessel serve for customers of two carriers, but Like in airplane we see when we see like when we fly delta it actually operated by american airlines Okay, that can happen in ocean transportation if we consolidate For the carriers too. So the carriers can use their resource more efficient as well Okay, or like a plane the flight will get canceled because there's not enough player not enough Passengers on an american flight and they're going to put you on a delta flight May not cancel. We just delta and american, you know, we have the Cooperation we have two numbers. Okay the flight number and also a flight number, but it's a work play Okay, that can happen for carriers too Because if you have a half like a full vessel Chance Pacific that's a huge waste Yeah Yeah, but you can consolidate on their side. Okay, and so they You know competitors can collaborate And coordinate Okay, so this way, you know for the carriers is a big saving for the carriers as well So we hope this thing can happen with the technology with the blockchain technology And it needs the support for from a smart contract to Make this happen and right now it's not happening yet, but we for say this way the blockchain is possible to make it happen Okay, so consolidation to improve service and also, you know For small shippers to lower their cost for carriers to lower the carriers operation cost And and to build some kind of like a connection between shippers and carriers Okay, so that's you know to for both sides to enjoy economy of scale And lower their operational cost So that can be done if we have a trust building our blockchain And if we have a smart contract to do it fairly and efficiently So that's the idea. Can we call it a C? Another thing is expansion Expansion when we say it's because we have permission to blockchain here So you have a way to communicate with someone outside of the blockchain or for another blockchain, right? So one thing about expansion is to have more actors and members to join it like what's Happening right now with children's It's expanding There's so many agents agencies, you know Like shippers and 3 p.m. 4 p.m. Have joined the children's and even we have a bank to join the children's now Okay, so now we wanted to expand of course for inside The blockchain, but also We wanted to have some way to expand it Now we call it interoperability with other blockchains And this is particularly important if we have like a government owned blockchain. For example, we have our our military Is operating with a huge Supply chain military supply chain and sometimes they may they use like a commercial service Right, but you cannot You know, but military they have their own data. They have their own You know blockchain system or supply chain system. They don't want to join Children's But if we have interoperability, we can sure you know limited but secure data needed Okay across different blockchain Okay Among these different blockchains and make a member in one blockchain easily can do business with another member in another blockchain So you don't need to join all the other blockchains. You are in this Blockchain but because you have this Like a protection and support from this blockchain and people also trust you As you're in this blockchain and then you can communicate with the Another business in another blockchain through the interoperability between blockchains or among blockchains And of course in this area we need more smart contracts to be built and we also need to build something called internet of blockchains so that's kind of like our vision all for this Ways of keeping pace. Okay permission authorization consolidation and expansion in blockchain Implementation ocean transportation Any any questions any comments any questions out there Or comments I I have some comments Please thank you Yes, my name is Brett carpenter and um, I I share the your vision the vision and I think a lot of it has to do with identification Which is you know specifically a hyper ledger Project with indy And you mentioned you mentioned the military and I think that Not a lot of people understand that the military has kind of a oversight over the entire globe And so the things of blockchain need to be introduced into the court systems and that's what our group is essentially focused on the militaries of america and sweden right now and I think that is essentially a path that has to be addressed With identification first when you're talking about when you're talking about encryption And so I'll I'll do a hard stop now and thank you so much for your presentation really really good use of time Thank you. Thank you, Brett so that's the the full ideas we call the permission authorization consolidation expansion ideas in strategy we propose I wanted to Talk a little bit more about the sea Consolidation and we believe consolidation is the key Especially for businesses. Okay, you will do business while you're using blockchain Right, we have to have business benefit Okay, and the benefit can can be generated And I think significant benefit can be generated through consolidation Okay, so this is just an example, right? We have Like one carrier and multiple shippers right and then what happened is is carriers and shippers Okay, are connected through smart contract Okay, then this is a smart contract so if we have like carrier, okay, and The shippers right they're going to the same direction. Okay, there will be Able to communicate Okay With the carrier and also putting their shipment together okay, see shippers again and Each of us we only have a half a container, but Okay, two of us together two shippers together. We have one container. Okay now one container Okay, we can have a business with this carrier Okay, and Started to ship things out. Okay. So just so that's the idea. That's the idea. So for the shippers to how to generate power Okay by working together Okay consolidate They are their shipment So quick question from the audience here from ben. Let's see. What was it? Is the goal to build chain code based apps that support trade lens or a complete compete with trade lens? Okay, so I think people there's there's a competition happened even oracle has the smart cargo thing and also in Trade there's a focus on ocean transportation and also there's a Okay company working on tracking industry and all that Definitely if the blockchain is not, you know, if your blockchain system is not continually innovated, then You will see. Okay. The competition is happening and This pushing things forward. I think it's a good thing, but I like that What he mentioned So I guess I'm a little unclear then it is You're tight. You're saying that this is an addition to trade lens or is that out there just so I just so I'm clear Yeah, this is what I this is what we propose. It's not what a trigger learning is doing now Okay. Yeah, so we actually check the word trigger is trigger is right now. They have some very simplified contract We don't even think of them as a smart contract. It's just a step Shipping contract. Yeah, and then the shippers and carriers can choose Besides they have several formats then you choose one okay but In our opinion, we don't think that as a smart contract yet Okay, so you're so right now. This is an idea I guess events question and then how this idea gets picked up has Multiple possibilities when their trade lens does it or somebody somebody out there takes this idea and actually instantiates it Or you guys do it? I think Well, likely the someone or chasers do it We are working on we're also working on the smart contract simulator My team is working on that. Good. I know that was something I was very interested in so I'll let you get to that point. Sorry Thank you. Yeah, so so but it's ongoing. I mean I can see a lot of other research teams that have a strong research power who can Yeah, dig through this quicker Good. Okay. Yeah, but but it doesn't hurt to share. This is our idea This is what we wanted to do is to to have some contract that The smart contract that actually people can you know join Based on, you know The information like what kind of car goes you want to ship what kind of things you want to ship, right? How much space you need and Because you don't want to consolidate Different things right some things are not sometimes or what is your time limit? So later on I'm going to talk about like there's two ways even trigger or time trigger Okay to to do the consolidation But that's again, this is the idea. So From our research team Um, it hasn't been implemented yet. Yeah, hopefully if any Any other research team are interested to implement that will be good. Yeah Good. Okay So so that's uh Consolidation I we believe Consolidation is the key and I also wanted to since Tom mentioned like is this happening or not, right? It's not happening yet. The smart contract is not happening yet. It's a proposal So so far this is some of the Things applications we realize that's happening. But again, we have very limited knowledge on blockchain And this thing is our blockchain technology is constantly changing Okay, and the improving so So I'm open to hear on others ideas and comments so right now like For permission to blockchain, right? We we know there's a a few of them Okay Working on different areas. We mentioned Oracle is Working on the cargo smart blockchain and it could be a big competitor of chain lines It's also permissioned blockchain and in terms of authorization Uh, we see uh, Merck and the IBM for chain learns. They are the owners So they do have intruders. They have this authorization But they have a lot other logic areas act as a trust anchors or or Wiley data's in our opinion. They are like certifiers, you know, our design our strategy And they have an advisory board is built with the major player carriers. Um, but In our opinion, we are thinking This authorization Part can be further improved No, okay We think is improved by a lot small shippers and shippers And 3 pls and agent. Okay, government agent customers can to Join in into the advisory board. Okay, based on Their credit in the blockchain So somehow we wanted to promote a credit system like now you go to Uber, right? Your your your your driver you have a you know customer radio You have a rating there and if you're a passenger, you also have a rating, right? So we wanted to based on the transactions in the Blockchain system, we wanted to build a credit system or kind of like you keep a record of the performance of the Actors in the blockchain and based on that we can promote Or allow some of the actors to become certifier or you know, even allow them into our parliament So so that's the current situation and our Idea and also the current situation. We don't think the Smart contract is smart enough yet We think what happened in Tridler's adjusted very simplified smart contract simplified contract It's not a smart contract And in terms of inter operation effort, we do say are like a a lot of research and projects Okay, I'm working in this area. There's a polka dot or block net In online one chain. Okay cosmic So there's different ideas People are trying to I will say Do the inter opera inter operation in among blockchains And we we are seeing where we have seen this Are happening, but it's still I think At this moment in Experimental state Definitely need a lot of development in interoperability area So we wanted to say so we promote or we propose our PACE PACE strategy And we wanted to talk about or we also wanted to say how can we implement this strategy in blockchain right in ocean transportation So this to start in ocean transportation is the good thing is Okay, traditionally, we already have a lot of Quite some super associations and the carrier items already built up Okay in different areas And these super associations sometimes by location some kind of sometimes by What kind of uh, you know items they are shipping so can act as a starting point because Components or in these associations already have some kind of Reputation build up and there's trust build up in these associations So this association can be you know, I think the starting point or initiation point for ocean transportation blockchain Okay for the shippers to join and also Okay military and government they're building their blockchain and We know military has huge supply chain there definitely This is the area Okay requires a lot of research support And also based on the where geographic areas And we can have blockchain in like in california Shippers you build a blockchain or like companies in or shippers in Eastern coast while you are using let's say Boston harbor And all of us we have already have a shipper association, but maybe we can build a blockchain And based on the functional group or 3pl Okay 4pl. They wanted to Consolidate it. Yeah Amy, what's the what's the initial reaction you're getting from some of these groups you're talking to? They say and yep, you're you're on the right path here. It sounds like trade lens agrees. Yes You're on the right path, which is good. What about some of these other groups? So they say yep, you're on a good path or we still got to we got to investigate more Yeah, basically how to ask for all my co-authors Professor Professor Bob Leib has been working in the ocean transportation for many many years The associate shipper associations and the carrier audiences in the There's a quite some dynamics there Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we think there's a possibility Okay Yeah, if they can You know use what is they already have You know adopt the blockchain technology and make the whole system to be much more even more efficient Yeah Yeah so So another thing is we talk want to talk about in terms of implementation I just want to make sure I don't take too much of a type Full my talk. Okay. So it's a smart contract design We wanted to all mention like there's a volume trigger smart contract and Time trigger smart contract design So for example, it can be volume trigger like I'm a carrier now. Um, I have A vessel which You know, I feel it 80 percent, but I still have 20 percent of the space It can and I'm open for the Other shippers. Okay to use Um, so there's unfilled volume before I You know sail Across Pacific Ocean if I can sell this Like a volume that will be good, right? So then what happened is this is a certain amount of space left from One one vessel and then the shippers Okay, they can reach a deal Given this is a limited space Right, there's a space then the shippers can come in join this smart contract This is how much I want how much I want once you reach to certain volume then your deal is down So we have multiple shippers can come into this This is smart contract just by signing in right until it reaches to certain volume Okay, and once we reach this volume, we can get a good deal because you know with like say 100 containers Okay, we'll get a much lower price From musk because we're shipping 100 containers together Okay, so so that's we consider a smart contract based on the volume trigger. We got this volume Okay, if we reach this volume we can get a good deal Okay, so the shippers just can join in the smart contract another thing is we say time trigger We have the certain unfilled vessel capacity, but it's you know as a carrier musk Okay, I'm okay The cargo need to leave the harbor like in one week. I only have one week of time Okay, so whoever coming in first will get it Okay, yeah, so if you you cut that cut you you catch that time you get a good deal Okay Yeah, so that's a time trigger smart contract So I think either way we can build a smart contract Okay based on the volume to get a you know reach to a certain scale So in order to get a discount Oh, you know based on the time Okay, because you know if I'm a huge vessel I only have some unfilled volume left When it's a time like next Wednesday, I have to leave the harbor. I have to leave Right, so whoever has the last minute like this one week you have the cargo you're ready I can ship for you with a lower cost because otherwise that that space is wasted, right? Yeah, why does this have to be a A blockchain smart contract when you're basically Creating an application that supplants the role of Consolidators today, and that's fine. You're getting rid of an intermediary with an application But I don't see why it needs to be on a blockchain Yeah, that's the something we wanted to do it a long time ago in ocean transportation It is so difficult to do it because if you're a shipper it's just difficult for you to You know trust the other shippers Okay, you have to have a certain kind of trust in order to consolidate And and you have to do it quickly So the advantage of doing this on a blockchain is that all the parties can be anonymous Yeah, you don't need to know no such time as the contract actually And you still trust them. Yeah, and you can you don't need to share too much of your information about yourself, but you can Yeah, the discount and the smart contract and through the blockchain can do it and do it efficiently instead of negotiating in the association and takes like days to and a lot of documents, this is just designed in the smart contract in the blockchain And you meet the requirement you get it So it's I think it's especially especially good for small shippers because otherwise small shippers usually Ignore by the big carriers because their business is too small Well, it's it would be used by anyone who currently uses a consolidator because they're too small to go direct to the shippers Yeah, but the thing is just intermediating the consolidators Yeah, the consolidation in current situation is just not efficient Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah. Yeah so with the blockchain we We hope when with the smart content designed it we we hope it will be much more efficient and also is more secure and And saving the cost so so that's the idea So then in terms of the actual evaluation We wanted to build up this blockchain idea in credit and record keeping And these are also needed to connect with the internet of the sense We need to have a rating and a acceleration systems to be built up to implement this system and Another thing to look at that implementing Blockchain is a lot of companies are Hesitating because they don't know the benefit So the it's a good idea to start with Simulator to find out how big a benefit I can have if I use this I'll join the blockchain if I use the blockchain and there's a some of the Simulators are available right now. Okay. I wanted to mention Talaria because Talaria is a simulator designed by my team So we actually This is the collaborative work of big with This is the upper funded research project We just Accomplished And this is the collaborative work Is the reason and the Duke University and the William Mary So we build a Blockchain simulator called a Talaria and Talaria is Good, okay, specifically good because it can incorporate a huge volume of transactions Is the scale can be huge and also we are building in a Majorities and it's easy to incorporate it with different kind of a supply chain models and Of course we Ensure there's a scalability Without a very costly computation and we also have some theoretical result to prove That it actually Guarantees the strong consistency Okay, there's a certain kind of a protocol So this is something We published This is a public resource simulator, so it's free Okay for all businesses We put it out there. This is the link With all the code and uh, okay The It enables a wide range of feasibility analysis And it's specifically targeted at at at uh ocean freight No, no, this is for all sorts of supply chains. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, Not the work Not the project we work, but it's definitely some simulator People can use okay in ocean transportation as well in other industries too The thing about this Talaria is we designed this on it can incorporate big supply chain so Like because the the simulator the supply chain We taking in the information is actually a military supply chain. It has it's huge with Like thousands of transactions per second So the way way the Talaria this simulator kind of the in term of computation is very efficient So that's the difference of this simulator compared to other simulators. Yeah, and this All opinion we think is Okay Very efficient simulator and can be adapted to Many different industries different type of supply chains and it also incorporates various protocol consensus protocol so that A couple questions there Yes, please. So, uh What what kind of supply chain models do you have it? Or is it more actor based where I can rearrange the different actors that are out there whether I'm a consolidator Some 3 pl some 4 pl some freight forwarder, etc So you're asking Let me ask you the question Clarified your question is about our simulator or correct. Correct on the simulator. I'm just trying to get a handle on Oh, yeah I've always been on the the search for modeling tools for blockchain Um and blockchain based applications as well as a network and it's been a it's been a continuing search here so I always like models and simulators, so You know, what level are we operating here? Can I give it to a business analyst and they can do some analysis here or yeah, we are Yeah, we are actually uh working on to build on more interfaces on this Blockchain what sorry interface so business can use the interface to connect with this simulator Right this simulator. It just simulated the See your supply chain You whatever you have inside. Okay, whatever you have in your supply chain. It simulated Okay, right Yeah, so it just make it, you know, put it into blocks. Okay, okay save it and all that But if we add on better interface Okay, then we can have like a business to Put it in Yeah If I'm ocean transportation, I have my interface to connect with Talaria So so so next stages is uh, that's our next stage work. Okay. Got it. Yeah Yeah, I would assume that since you're a professor of business analytics that you'd want to get there I we wanted to do more work on this in this area, but oh in the other You know on the other side, you know, we have a limited resource here. We're just Research team in you know university, right? Okay. Um, so a lot of folks Out there with more research Power, okay. Well, so we're open to share our ideas. So for other peoples to explore and Yeah, the key is we dig in and make the blockchain, you know In this technology to be more advanced for all industries And so for our society Yeah, yeah, so or DARPA or DARPA. We give you more money, right? Hopefully Our tax dollars at work Hopefully yeah, yeah, but we are so glad to receive that Grant so we were able to get some work done Good good Okay, any other questions out there from folks uh Yep, any questions The same statement again brett carpenter I think on the whiteboard there needs to be some sort of roman numeral about legal framework And the and the courts the world courts the military courts All of these things for the actual adoption But what you're saying is extremely promising that you have a simulator Thank you Yeah, this simulator, thank you so much Right now it's just open source and it's just a blockchain simulator. Yeah, I see in your comments Yeah Well, well the good thing about the DARPA funded research is DARPA does not claim Any of this as intellectual Property is just you know serve for everyone Serve for our society the the research. Okay, and that's the reason we posted like Online and publicly Resource open to everyone all the resource Open to everyone who wanted to use it Yeah, we're interested to adopt it So it's a free simulator to Yeah Any other questions out there? Hi. This is alisha. I mean, thank you so much for sharing this I really appreciate you sharing your research You've done a tremendous amount of work on this. It was really good to see your stressing the importance of interoperability I I know Brett and I think also tom know that I've done some work with orange and trail and they've actually started a working group specifically focused on interoperability I'm not sure if you've If you've done any work with them They have done a lot of work with gs one and bsi As well as companies around the world And for the working group now It's not just companies, but also researchers from mcgill from top universities around the world. I'm going to Stick the announcement in the chat because I think it's something that you If you're not aware of it already you might be interested in it. So let me stick that in now Good. Thanks, alisha. You're welcome. Thank you It sounds like Amy you're as well as presenting to us and sharing some of your thoughts. You're looking for additional input here going forward on how to take this research and I We're all uh, very interested in blockchain. We've been in the space for a while and we like sharing our thoughts and helping to I mean, we're part of this special interest group because we want to help this ecosystem grow and Yeah, exactly So yeah, so thank you for uh sharing this today I appreciate it others that have you so as you've heard there also appreciate it And I suspect the people who listen to the recording will also appreciate this and I'll please pass along our thanks to your collaborators on the article there So with that i'm going to close us out here a couple things We're going to have a linkedin supply chain special interest group page here Daniella is helping us to get that set up. So look for something on the wiki I'll be sending out an email on that with that link here shortly Our next session on may 13th is going to be a working session So if you remember our last session was a working session and we decided we'd do a couple small projects with the emphasis on small so Eric velequette has agreed to head out the use case Small project and yari verbone over in italy has agreed to head up the rfi rfp And brend you've agreed to help out. I think eric right on that So we're still looking for additional help on that. I have a couple email chains going So the next call will be a working call. Please come ready to roll up your sleeves All those kind of good words on may 13th if you join us and then lastly global forums come in In a virtual forum in june, so a little over a month away And I was talking to daniella yesterday and it sounds like there's lots of supply chain And one thing they're going to do is they're going to give us a supply chain Kind of roadmap here's all the supply chain sessions That are at global forum. So with that aim again. Thank you very much folks Thanks for joining here today and look forward to seeing you on a future call here as well as On the wiki here with all sorts of interaction. So enjoy the rest of your day. Thank you Thank you very much. Thank you everyone. Yeah. Bye everybody. Bye. Bye. Take care