 Yep. So good to start. Good to start. Good evening. Today is August 7th. I should look at the right piece of paper. August 7th. This is the Fort River School Building Committee. We are at the Amherst police station community room. And this is being taped by Amherst media. We'll call us to order. Then move on to meeting minutes. We have meeting minutes from our last meeting, which is now May 14th. Don't there any comments on these minutes? Corrections or other things? Eric. I move the approval of the minutes May 14th. Second. All in favor? Any minutes. Have been approved. Next item is who would be willing to volunteer to take a minutes for tonight? The next item is assuming that this becomes our last formal get-together that is not a kind of, you know, a non-quorum participation, a presentation by TSKP or something, as a last kind of quorum group. We would need to be able to approve a final set of minutes, some other way than all of us getting together and having to repeat the cycle just to repeat the cycle. So I think I need to ask for a vote to allow me as chair, should this be our last meeting, to approve the minutes? Someone want you to talk about that or move for that? I will move that the chair be designated as being able to approve any future minutes, current and future minutes. Second. Any other questions or debate? If it's the last one. If it's the last one. Yeah, if we have to get back together then we have to vote on them, so. All in favor? I don't believe we're going to have any public comment today. Oh no, no, no, no. Go ahead. I'm Tony Cunningham behind the camera most of the time. I've been following the work of this committee closely since your first meeting back in November of 2017, one year and eight months ago, and I wanted to commend you all on your commitment to this process. Many of you have been here from the start coming prepared to meetings asking hard questions of the designers from TSKP and pushing for a report that covered all the basis. Strongly held different views came into this process and you found a way to work together. Diverse representation is essential to producing a better product that will have broad credibility. Future committees should emulate this. There were challenges getting quorum since you never had the full complement of 12 members. It was unfortunate that there was no facilities director or Fort River teacher for most of the time. That attendance was challenging for administrators and that appointing new members to replace those that dropped out was held up by the changeover in government. Despite this, you got the work done actively seeking input from school staff on multiple occasions and holding meetings at all three elementary schools to report on progress and answer questions. Transparency of the process was important. You maintained a website, issued press releases, and with Marla and I videotaping all the meetings and Amherst Media posting them online, residents could easily keep up on the progress in their own time. You are the first town committee to look at designing a building that meets net zero energy standards. That work will be extremely useful to the town as it embarks on multiple municipal building projects that will need to comply with the zero energy town building's bylaw. Looking at four different enrollments with and without preschool was important too as it allows extrapolation to different sized schools. Working together with TSKP, this committee has produced a report that you can all be proud of and it came in under budget. So as you wrap this report up and prepare to present your work to the town council and the school committee, I wanted to acknowledge your contributions and those of the members that participated early on in the process. I hope Amherst will be establishing a new school building committee in January with the backing of the MSBA. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to the cost estimating reconciliation process that mostly happened at the working group level. I actually did work at the working group level. I can say that we've completed that process with the TSKP at least in the hard work of doing the reconciliation with the two cost estimators. Fortunately, we're still waiting for some final edits. I did reach back out to TSKP this afternoon, but wasn't able to get an update on the status of things. So I've kind of distributed where we left off with a set of corrections or clarifications that we'd already asked TSKP to do. I don't know if folks want to talk about anything else they may have seen, but certainly we can pass comment on. I have a couple of comments. First, I want to thank you for, because this must have been a lot of work. It was a lot more work for the estimators than it was for us, but it was work for the working group as well. But looking at all these numbers, I want to thank you. Maria put in some very detailed analysis early on. So I want to thank you, but I was reading these appendix today in my conference class today, and there are some things that I would like, maybe we can discuss if I've changed, because the numbers that you have on page one, first, there's a mistake. On the table, they list exactly the same number for option C and D, and I don't think that's the right one. Yes, I think you're correct. Was that on our list? I did not print out our list of the content. I don't know, but we did have question about that, and I went back and I did look at the leveling sheet, and indeed it looks like D has the wrong numbers. It looks like that's the correct numbers for C, but we don't have the correct numbers for D, and the same problem happened on the leveling sheet in the back, so I think we need to... We did already pass that comment on. We will. Okay, and then I was trying to compare with the numbers we had before, the reconciliation from Fogarty to see what, during the reconciliation with those numbers, these numbers had changed with respect to the original numbers that they had provided us, so I was trying to see if they had moved up or down too much. The easiest answer to that is they did a little of both. Both estimators, as part of that reconciliation process, adjusted their base numbers, and they were obviously able to come to a place where they were not too far apart. But the issue is, we don't have these kind of numbers. We don't have them in the report, so I was going through section six. In section six, we have the total cost for us 30 or eight, and we have 30 C, that is not the construction cost that we have listed. So if we want to compare after this and go back to the original numbers, there's no easy way of comparing these numbers to the ones that we had before, because we had a table with UI 50s for all of them, but we don't have, whenever this mentioned, UI 30s, the total cost. So then to see how the cost estimation changed a little bit, we don't have a way of easy backtracking. That is true, and I think we kind of alluded to some of that hard to compare, kind of recognize and then say it was hard to kind of backtrack. We put a little bit of that in Jesse's court from DSKB to kind of clarify and explain how we should use the reconciled numbers because of that back and forth. So I'm not sure that I necessarily can give you an answer on how to best address that. I even could be even here to put either to put it like this and then put the total project cost next to it. So then it's clear if you open one place, because you want to be able to translate this reconciliation into all our project, but if you don't have an anchoring point that says, okay, this is how it changed, it's very hard. I have asked Jesse to put, and I'll come to you in just a second, to put the reconciliation process in a little bit of context, because I am not absolutely certain that there's going to be that neat, nice, neat one-to-one comparisons when we're all done. I think that they should be somewhat relatable, but because of the fact of bringing two sets of estimators together with two sets of approaches, I think there's going to be a little little discontinuity between No, I understand, but maybe just WVP's table will have a project cost compared and a total cost, and then you can look at the total cost and go back to section six and compare the total cost. And this is, which table are you looking for? Table one. It's the one on the cover? Yeah. So then you can go back to section six and okay, after the reconciliation the total cost is these before we have these other ones. I want to be told. I had a similar issue from a different, slightly different direction. There were like three or four sets of numbers and they didn't reconcile, and I spent a lot of time worrying over that until I got to the leveling sheet at the very back and realized that the leveling sheet numbers have been pulled all the way forward and I almost wonder if we, I don't know if this is going to be presented in this fashion, but it's almost too much information and without some kind of explanation for Jesse of like, here's how you should interpret these numbers and here's which ones are very important. That's the piece we don't have yet from them. The other thing that I thought would be inherently helpful would be to take those leveling sheets and put them right here, right after this chart, essentially, because that's where they relate, because what they put in between was all the history. So we've passed on that comment. I would be very surprised if we didn't get that read. Did you want to add? Yeah, that was part of it. I mean, I think that Jesse probably has to put some more narrative to explain the back and forth process. Maybe in broad strokes, not in line by line, but broadly, these are the kind of things that went up or went down and labeling and moving those leveling sheets up. And I think he owes us how we should look at this process, because for the whole history of the study, we had a set of numbers. It was part of our charge to get the independent review and have that reconciled. And I think he just needs to put that in a little bit of context so that things are in context. I agree with everything you just said, and I'm trying to figure out how much of that has been communicated yet or so. You're going to go back and ask for more. I mean, A, I think these sheets should be up front. That makes sense. And B, I do think there should be more narrative around both literally what you're looking at and is there currently now. And then also literally for the reader, how should they make use of this information or interpret it? The fact that they differ doesn't bother me, because actually, I think that's actually in some ways good. Because rather than looking at this as some sort of like tablet from God, where it's like people start looking at costs as being like immutable, and it's like, this is the number. I think it's better to think that reasonable professionals can slightly disagree. But then it still leaves the reader to say, well, how do I make sense of this? And then there needs to be something there to help them do that. Yeah. I mean, when we were doing this, it was basically we had this, our goal was if we can get them within 5%, that would make sense. And so you could look at the number and say, give yourself 5% tolerance. And have it make sense. I think we need a little bit more labeling. We talked about that. And the middle section of this new part confused me for a really long time. And we were listening to it. And I think it's because this is the first place where you have all of these listed out line by line for EUI 30. So that needs a little clarity. And then each of the each of these tables needs it's just I know it's maybe redundant, but on each page, this is EUI, whatever this is, what procurement method just list all of those things that make a difference. And I think it'll make a lot more sense. But we need the narrative. With a good narrative, better narrative. I think the narrative also has to say I mean more why we chose these three, not that we are picking these three as top contenders, because we are putting more emphasis on these three and the task of this committee was to look at many options. But I think it has to be clarified because of lack of with the notes and everything to estimate, you chose three than no. What I want to do is look back and make sure that he didn't include that someplace else, because I I don't remember the whole breadth of the study at the moment, but you're right. It could be repeated. I think it wouldn't be bad to repeat it so that it's in context because somebody won't read the three hundred and four hundred pages and my open chest is and then I will. Audio on my phone. I think we're in a safe location. But for those people watching, they need to know we are in a safe location. So I think it wouldn't be bad to repeat it on the opening page so that because not everyone's going to read everything and it's very hard to find it. So then this has to be clear, like I said, right? Yeah, I'm agreeing with all these comments. I'm looking at what I went back and looked in other parts and then filled in my chart and that's like a real quick synopsis. What option A was, it was new building, 100% new, what option CD and then what the different H back options, what the differences were. And this one I didn't fill in for myself, but I think the reader might want to know again, what's the CM versus GC and why did we do GC for one of these? Again, I know we talk about it in other parts of the report. But if it's a reference back to the other part of the report. Could do that. But it's short enough, I think, maybe in one sense to explain that because it was new construction GC bid, same thing. I don't know. I mean that's not funny about this, but if there's already good, and we know there is some good language on the report describing some of these things, it's easy to pull a sentence and literally just cut and paste the same sentence. Like again, there's it doesn't need to be overworked. Like on the part of the extra work they're doing, they didn't need to overwork it. Just cut and paste it literally the same words, drop them in and boom, you'll have that explanation right there. Oh, I didn't mean to interrupt. I'm sorry. Oh, and I think I found my acotas, if I'm saying that right, presentation a little better because they had a that those guideposts at the top of every page and they and Fogarty didn't, I don't know if we can change their pages, but just saying, oh, you're talking about option A, whatever in this sheet, I found it was easier to remember where I was in the myacoda estimate than in that Fogarty. There are other questions, comments. And I certainly don't want to because for the broader group, you only recently got this. And so folks want to, and it probably makes sense. Actually, if I could ask you to put your request in an email, okay, I can get them sooner probably and get them out. But if folks could put, as thoughts come to you, put them in an email, I will forward them on to Jesse. And I will tap them again tomorrow, see what the timeline is. What's your deadline for that? If folks could add knowing it summertime, if folks can do it by the end of the week, that would be great. Because the sooner I can get anything last to them, the sooner I can start having them for the final report. And as we're going to get too soon, we want to have a presentation with the school committee. And I would like them to be complete at that time, at the personal. How are they, how are they, I mean, in your last interaction with them, how are they sitting in regard to this? I mean, are they close to being done and excited to get our feedback from the shop? Or dreading our phone? I hope they're not dreading our phone calls. But it's summertime. And I have no doubt that they've got projects in many phases. And so this time of year, right before the start of the school year, is often a busy one. So between vacations and busyness, I don't think they're at that done place yet. So that means people have to get their feedback by the end by Friday. Because if we have, we all know the way life works. If our response is the dangling thread, then they're going to sit on the report until we close out what we need to get done to them. And I believe that they still owe us some, they weren't huge edits, but when we voted to accept the rest of the product, we had a fairly clear, fairly clear line of things that they needed to do. And I haven't yet received, unless I've lost it in my email in the intervening months, a final draft that incorporates those. So I'm looking for two things. And since it has been so long since we met last, the town has presented the firm maps. And so that was also something that was communicated back to TSKP that, you know, they're not approved yet. That's a longer process. But that should resolve a lot of the questions so they can probably tighten up that section as well. I don't know if there's, well, I don't know. Or get the report, it could be an incentive to get the report finished. So they don't have to react to it. This is the sticking you needed, the carrot and sticking you needed to. I do truly believe they have as much interest as we do in bringing this to closure. I have a couple more comments about this. So I think we reiterated the issue about putting more details, which one is the US-30, US-50, because I was looking at the Construction Scorpion Press Fairfoot, and I was like, wait, one is 340, the other one is 330, the other one is 315, why? And it's mainly because one is 50, the other one is 30. So then to have a reminder. And then on Miacad, I was reading, I think his advantages of this advantage have been so deeply on their cost estimation because I forgot that it's much more broad, you know, so deeper. And there's some weird things on Miacad and those mistakes. There are stairs for, one was at line 365, was theater stairs. Well, some of that came out during the reconciliation process. Lockers. Yeah, yes, that one definitely came out. Lockers, mirrors for private bathrooms, 13. It is unfortunately part of the process at this level. And when we're at the study level, they have to kind of, any estimator is going to have to kind of use their best judgments to make sure that they have the right level of detail. But that was definitely what was happening during that process. And believe it or not, it wasn't just on Miacodis side, because they were newer to the process. They've been there a while, there were items in Fogarty's estimates that in looking at what Miacoda had done, that, oh, well, we should have done this. We did that. Yeah, but for example, the locus is $100,000. It's not the... Right, but those items have been reconciled. Is the reconciliation reflected somehow in this? Does that impact the leveling sheet or is that sort of a separate track? The leveling sheet reflects the final reconciled numbers from both sets of estimators, plus TSKP's task, which was to make sure that all the kind of additive things like the contingencies, like the bonds, like the overheads, were all kind of lined up in equal so that... Because each of them uses their own processes, inserts them at different points, and it has an effect on the bottom line. If you really want to compare, do the best comparison, you want to kind of level it and start with the construction cost numbers that each of them have developed. But your comments aren't in this? No. The comments that the working group had passed on are not in what you see tonight. Just to kind of orient you a little bit, when we first got the estimate from Mayakota, it was nowhere near within 5%. And there were clearly... A lot of it was, that wasn't our intention. That's not what this is going to be. We had to do a lot of getting people on the same page, so we started very far apart. But once they got on the phone with each other on a number of occasions, this was multiple meetings, they came to us. The two estimators. Yes. The conversation was, the two estimators, TSKP and the three of us. We were kind of the flies on the walls. We pointed out things that we didn't think might right, but it was really the two of them having a conversation mediated by Jesse from TSKP. What's up, Paul? Yeah. Good. That's the way it should happen. All the comments and questions. So we're owed return to work on this, which needs to get finished up before we call this done. Yeah, so I was checking. I hadn't seen this. I hadn't made it to the last page, I must confess. So option B on the leveling page is wrong. Yes, and there were also, as I recall, some labeling errors. There were some things, one of, I think the new construction was labeled CM or something like that. So there were a number of issues, both kind of typographical and TSKP's part, and some edits the other folks needed to make that have not rippled through. Good. I'm going to move on, if everyone's had enough time to comment, to the kind of presentations of the completeness of this project for this study. First, the likely thing on the agenda will be a meeting with the school committee, which, since Mike's away, he doesn't know this yet, but TSKP can make it to the September 17th meeting. And so it's on their agenda to do that. And so that's the other kind of driver to get comments back and get them finished up so that there is a completed project for that. September 17th. 17th. I don't have a date yet for a town council. Would TSKP also come from the town, or can we think of doing a joint meeting between the school committee and the town? I think the school, at least what I got from Mike before he left, at least, and I don't think you were around here, that you can cut me off if I, if you've heard something else that I haven't, that the chair at least wants to have this happen at a school meeting, at a solo, you know, that's their venue, not a joint meeting with the town council. I'm sure the chair of the school committee wanted a solo meeting. Well, it's not going to have to be a solo meeting just on this topic, but not a joint meeting with the town council. Yeah, it's just the presentation of the school and the public that shows up. Yes. I mean, I've expressed my opinion about this, and to express it to the committee, I do think that it makes sense to do a joint meeting for no other reason than to have TSKP only come up here once, rather than come up here to do two meetings. So if I'm not sure what the conversations have been with town council, and maybe town council can talk to school committee and see if they would be willing to do that. The work we did obviously has impacts for the school, but it has big impacts for the town as well and implications, and I think they may learn something from each other also by being all in the same room. So if they could think about that, I would appreciate that consideration. And I don't know if we are going to need to be, have we paid TSKP for everything I think? We have not paid them their final invoice, although this committee has approved it, so I was going to send it off to Sean tomorrow morning. Would it require more compensation for additional meetings? I need to go, I need to go. The scope is that tightly written? No, it would, well actually, if you need a second, I'll go back to their original, more than a second. Well, I think it, I mean, I think that's a good thing to work out, because if our current budget or at least approved invoices are that we can't ask them to a separate meeting with the town council, then I think at the very least, the chair of the school committee and the president of the town council should at least be aware of that. So that, you know what I mean? So that if they wanted to do that. They want to make a choice. That's right, they want to make a choice, they can make that choice. Well, if we have to pay for them to come, and we have to pay them twice, it has to be informed, right? I mean, should we figure out if the council actually wants us? Like, we're talking, I do not get the impression that the council wants to devote a long amount of time to this. They were interested in the spring, I wish I could remember the month now, with a, what was described as a short presentation. So a shorter presentation than what the school committee is interested in. The school committee would like to have a final presentation that's akin to the prior presentations, where TSKP comes and talks for 15 or 20 minutes and then there's 15 or 20 minutes of kind of questions. In June, May or June, the town council was thinking more like a 15 minute kind of presentation. It's honestly up to them. It's their town council. Exactly. I can't make them accept an idea. I can, I don't mind, you know, putting the ideas in front of them. And the key thing is to put the ideas in front of them and also make them aware, how we're scheduling things, and then find out if there's a budget application. Make sure they're aware of the budget application. And then offer the employee to have TSKP there, given the length and breadth of this thing, to be able to kind of talk from the perspective of our consultant. And this is, you know, they are, they're wanting to talk about major capital planning. They've been doing a lot this summer. They want to bring this to the public, you know, on larger issues in October. It's right up the alley. It's net zero. It's, it's the only, we are the only committee that has addressed net zero in a concrete way. So. Well, yeah. I will be happy. My role as chair to reach out and follow up with all that. So we contracted with TSKP for three meetings, but they were specifically one after preliminary options, one after cost estimation and one after final. So contractually there's only one meeting after final options. So they could ask us for. They could ask us for a change order if they wanted to for a second meeting. And would be jumping the gun too much to ask whether we could afford to do that if we wished to. Do we want to move on to budget? To folks mind because it'll kind of answer part of the question that's outstanding here. The answer is I, this is the final budget as it stands in front of you. There's six by rights, there's $63,692 and 77 cents totally unencumbered in our capital camps. So yes, we could, if I had a change order for us, we could do it. This committee would probably need to regroup to approve it, I would guess. Which we could probably do actually at the presentation as long as it's purpley. But yeah, I don't anticipate any further, we haven't approved me a code as invoices yet, but they're accounted for in this budget. I don't anticipate any further charges. I don't know what the timeline is, but in time the comptroller will close this capital account and return the funds to the general fund. I don't actually know what the timeline is or our decommissioning process. I guess I'll probably up most of the school committees since we're created by them. Yeah, certainly we don't get to disappear until we make that presentation. Well, the charge that existed was that when we make the presentation to us, it disappears. That's it, that's it, what's written. But we can still participate as bright citizens. Yeah, I'm just saying that's literally how, I mean it's almost self-executing. Basically the committee dissolves at the point presents, sends the report and presents technical illusions to the school committee. So are we going to authorize you to talk to the town council, follow up again with the school committee and with Anthony follow up with the TSKP and see if we need to do another presentation, how much it costs and... I prefer to know we had... I would like to see the report before we have the presentation. I have some time to look at it before they make the presentation to the school committee and the town council. I think we need to see the report and make sure that all our comments are in there or what we wanted to see is there before we have a presentation because it's our work there. Is there work that's presented by this reflection on us and things like optionally is repeated or... I forget that was the expectation, wasn't there Anthony? Yeah, I mean they owe it to us before it gets presentable. Maybe I might say I don't know if we like it but maybe we need us one minute at least. Perhaps and we technically and we can choose to not do this but we technically did vote on it, provided that it was accepted, provided they incorporated the things that were changed. So we can either meet again to confirm that or we can ask a working group to look at it presumably or we can ask one of ourselves to do it but I think it's too daunting to have a task for one person personally given how much there is and how much time is passed. Do folks want to meet again or feel like we can ask a working group to look at it when they return? I think it kind of depends on what it looks like. If we get it and we should all look at it and if there's nothing substantive to go over then okay but I mean there is reason. If there is something in there that requires discussion then obviously we have to do discuss that publicly but we won't know until we see it and it should I mean theoretically they've incorporated everything that we did at the last meeting and then the changes from the cost estimate that really should be. Yeah I mean my assumption would be if there are any mistakes I mean I'm hoping that if there are any mistakes in the final document that would not be the final document it would be based on either typos that still weren't corrected which God knows we gave them all in or out or again sort of the transposition of tables or something or something that's dropped in and where it shouldn't have been. I hope that's the case because I mean I've gotten really thorough feedback. I would agree with that. So I mean I agree with what I was saying but I mean is that I don't think that changes what we're doing no because I mean if we mean meaning I'm just one of my point being is that if TSKP doesn't get the final report to us until September 15th then we're not presenting it on the 17th right where we're scheduling. And my point is that my point is I think I'm assuming that you as chair are already sort of authorized to keep rolling this thing out to ensure that I mean we need to push the, which is probably Anthony's job, we need to push the consultant if we find at some point we're not really delivering quickly enough but in general the only thing we need to do right now is decide how much time do we want to be able to review it so that I mean what's enough time, what's enough notice, two weeks, three weeks, four months. I think it's got to be two weeks. I'd say two weeks too. I was going to say more. I mean I would like to see this before the final. I think if we're worried there are going to be things that need to be corrected that have to be corrected. I think it's a by the way I think it's completely reasonable to assume they're going to screw up something not out of any malice but just because it's hard to get a document like that fully corrected right and so I would tend to agree that if we look toward the end of this month that they simply got it to us by the end of the month yeah if we're going to stay on this timeline and if we don't and we're going to get pushed out. That's about roughly speaking before the school committee and so so I will communicate tomorrow two and a half that we really need to have trying to decide if I want to publicly in front of a camera and tell them the end of the month you know is August 31st or actually a little bit before that knowing that humans will be a little delayed. It's also opening up an honest conversation. I mean that's not funny about this but if if they have to rush for them based on what others will have heard horribly to get it done in two weeks which then ups the likelihood that there'll be lots of typos and mistakes in it or transposed tables then what I think the nice thing about putting pressure on them to say we need it by x day is it could open up an honest conversation with them which they honest if they said to us and I know we want it done but if they said to us look I can get you a perfect what we'll think would be a perfect product by September 10th right or I can get you whatever I can get you doing the best we can right by you know September 27th then my view is talk to the chair and Mike move the data out and tell them September 10th but tell them tell them look we're really really we're really getting a lot of pressure to get this done make sure you get it done by then just because it needs to be done right now I'd rather us all look at the document on September 10th and say wow this is amazingly actually got all our comments and look at it September August 25th and say oh this isn't good yeah but they'll tell you what they tell you yeah they might tell you they're much farther along than we know yeah and they have there has been time yeah exactly exactly do you feel comfortable that you know you're doing I've got a clear direction all right and and I just want to make sure that is the committee cool if we can get a joint or solo or whatever with the tech I mean are there any objections by the committee to present I've done one meeting is better than two but my guess is that each each is going to want their own but at the apple and I'm okay with that too I just want to bring it to the best conclusion again we missed on this agenda we have to prove invoices yes so two invoices from Miyakota the feasibility and then the reconciliation that is exactly what they quoted so I've seen no reason not to approve we move to approve the invoice for Miyakota one for 7,000 and one for 1200 seconds like it's always a favor fast skip over is that it uh almost um running out the door besides and and and even that that you know kind of what we've been talking about tonight it might be slightly premature to do a final press release but we should do final press release and so um Heather has done one but I'm wondering if we I had this sneaky suspicion that we'll probably meet one last last time as a group and and perhaps that's that's the primary other than looking at this discussing the final draft maybe that's a topic for that that even unless anyone wants to talk about it tonight I have what uh somewhere I think it was some time ago and I thought it brought copies of it but can I can I think my um my recommendation yeah would be that we just redistributed and that we probably are going to have to meet again yeah let's put it on the agenda for that meeting okay there's also my point is yeah final press release there's also a final press release this this was a draft I think it was probably done draft uh several months ago now um that probably hasn't been distributed yeah that's just my point so we'd be better for us to have a distributed a and then b I mean what is a press release included in it we met we did x we're presenting it on y it's available at z I mean my point is what we did is that the final press release is supposed to include actual factual details that are of use to a reader when they see it like I like oh it's host it there's a copy of the jones it's posted on this website I can go get it you know what I mean like so you want all those details nailed down as well it's being presented to the school committee on next night or a joint committee I'm meeting them for today so my name was first I was going to suggest that because we want to I mean I know we've had public presentations on this but this is going to be the grand finale um I'm gonna throw out an idea but I just had of possibly Jonathan and I writing a column so that we know that it will be more likely to get out there um press releases can end up in or all the rest of the rest of it's nowhere um and we could I think I think it would have more of a chance to get out there and do it in a timely way so that people if they wanted to show up for one or both yeah whatever it is well I think we could we could have a little working group on that that that could work on that over the next few days I think what I'll do is I'll send out a notice in case some we're not here tonight want to participate we're not participating in that I have a question and this is going to be a kind of words did we say that we're going to be a public outreach at the end also I think we have except for like a you know kind of the press release and and the the town council and the school committee I don't believe we're having any more public events that that has not at least going from memory which of this board I think it was the presentation to the to the school committee because I think the intention of having the the other public outreach was to get feedback while we were still working so that we can incorporate ideas so then this press release or letter should be well in advance or out before any presentations to the school committee or yeah it needs to be ahead enough to to get people to try people yeah communicate to them where they can get it where they can't be ahead of us actually having that final draft because then we won't know when we're making for yeah so we're well if we haven't partly prepared or prepare ahead of time we should probably vote on it that never hurts to these conditions to vote on things although it's not on my well I have final press release question yeah oh there was a there was an update there's an update posted on the town the town's website my agenda is different I apologize so I'm the notion of a press release and I and I can do that quite close to the end but I didn't get an email I apologize that I'm actually it's funny I was actually literally going to ask this question only because it's my agenda didn't include these items I was going to say it's great that we're freelancing but are we bordering on but you have it in no I have it I have it in there so there should be a violent public open meeting law in our last meeting or second last meeting that's not a good thing no but we are not in terms of that it was posted appropriately but not sent to the ketamine members which is why I was confused I'd make good friends with the folks at the town court office over to last year and a half so you just want to motion on the working group for the press release or or for I let's let's leave it a little bit more generic press releases are going to go on board some sort of public newspaper e oh and a calm yeah so just press release and possible calm it's so moved all in favor completes the the agenda for tonight in case this is our last I want to thank some people Amherst media our film crew and the rest of you guys thank you very much it was a pleasure working with all of you I think we've done good work yeah absolutely we'll put a plug in for ourselves well worth reading when you finally get a chance to that's right thank you thank you move to adjourn oh yes move to adjourn second all in favor