 Right now Asia is in flux in so many ways so many issues so many new risks new phenomenon and yet You cannot understand what's happening unless you look back exactly and we need to understand exactly We need to because you've got the number two and the number three most powerful economies in the world China It looks like well, maybe eventually overtake us in the most powerful economy in the world So so yeah, we definitely need to understand the better and why do we not understand the better? well one thing that happened after World War two is they read scare in the United States and Of course backward. Well, it was a it was a terrible dangerous movement in the early 1950s led by, you know, Joseph McCarthy and One of the things that happens is you have a lot of Asia specialists especially China specialists who have connections They did interviews with Mao. They're connected to Mao in other ways to the Chinese Communist Party in other ways and These guys get into big trouble during the Red Scare. They're fired from the State Department There's a big purge of of Chinese of Communist sympathizers in the State Department in the late 1940s and the most important intellectuals Who are who are knowledgeable about China? They get booted out of the State Department just for having had contact with it exactly well There's they're seen as friends, you know friends of the Communists well If you're going to have a relationship with it with the Communists yet have to to some extent we have yeah You have to you know, this is really backwards thinking exercise in that way It's so what so what the Red Scare does is it it pulls that expertise out of our Official agencies out of the CIA and out of the out of the State Department. So to a certain extent that's long-term damage for us and You know and we well, I don't know that we've recovered from that because those are those are long views Deep views of China of the changes in China of the changes in Japan, but especially China is a place where we don't really We don't have a strong sense the the kind of the the end of the political classes do not have a strong grasp of What's happening in China? It's a hard to fashion a relationship with a country that you you've demonized it's and at the core of your thinking about it You're treated exactly exactly so it's so it really behooves us to To learn more about China now. There was an article in the New York Times recently Series of articles called China rules and that actually was pretty good I mean, I thought there was a it was a series of articles on the economy on Strategy on the development of China since the since detente in 1972. So those were good Those are good good kind of a good primer on what's happening. You know, we need an Asian president We need somebody or somebody high up in the government. Yes, who can say exactly I can say now now boys No, that's right. You know, this is the real people You know, I mean, I don't think Trump is doing that No, I think Trump is demonizing and even if he shakes hands and puts his hands on Xi Jinping's shoulder He doesn't mean it and it's visible and yeah And it's so important that we understand what Xi Jinping is doing right now in China And Xi Jinping is building a cult of personality in China and this has not happened in China since Mao Since the time is the time of Mao so this is an old habit of Marxist leaders and but Xi Jinping is Taking this up and doing this and this means that it could be a one-man show for a while Yeah, which is not not good. No, it never never works. Well, it's not good And and actually could end up hurting China actually but your point though is that in the communist world and in the Asian world You can have a Very strong leader. It's as part of the culture. Yeah, and from time to time. That's what they have They have very strong leaders who who get there by being nasty. That's right But what's interesting is the force of it's the force of history and it's the lack of true Westernization Yes, and in Western governments, including the US, we haven't had that right We haven't had you know dictators and no like that's right and strong men Yes, what I think what I find interesting is that Trump would like to be a strong right and he breaks the mold on that Yeah, but he has no idea how to do it. I don't think he really would actually. I don't think so from your lips to God's ears Thank you again. Sure Jay. Happy holidays. Happy holidays and happy holidays to you as well