 Good evening. Can y'all hear me? Since we're without our chair and our vice chair this evening, we're gonna do a quick Election for a pro a chair pro tem for this evening. Can I have a nomination for chair pro tem, please? Chairman pro tem. Okay, then miss Davis Has agreed to do that. Would you like to nominate miss Davis? Nominated Davis for the pro tem. Thank you. Can I get a second second all in favor? Thank you Welcome to the planning commission member staff and guests we ask for your patience doing this virtual meeting Multiple staff members are behind the scenes with us today, and they are Lucinda Slater planning administration Rachel Bailey zoning administrator Jonathan chambers land development administrator and you living good annexation coordinator During the meeting you will see live images or still images of planning commission members and the administrator However images the applicant and public will not be visible In addition to watching the meeting virtually the public will be able to participate via several methods email phone log into a web session or Participate in person and when participating please provide your name for documentation purposes To watch the meeting the public may stream the meeting through city TV accessed at www.youtube.com slash user slash Columbia SC government The public may also submit letters and statements via email to coc board meeting at Columbia SC Dot gov Leading up to and or during the meeting as this account will be monitored during the meetings Emails and letters sent during the meeting will be read into the record Emails and letters received prior to the meeting have been forwarded to the commission The the public may participate via phone. You may call 855 925 2801 when prompted please enter the meeting code 21 30 and If you'd like to participate in person and you're here today to speak about a case You must speak up when the chairperson calls for public comment staff, please call the roll Mr. Cohn here Miss Davis here. Mr. Harp here miss Hart's here dr. Mandel here miss Thomas here Mr. Tupper here. We have a quorum Thank you a Brief review of the meeting's format applicants with requests before the planning commission or allotted a Presentation time of 10 minutes this time should include but it's not limited to an overview of the project case history in any pregnant means Here regarding the request this time also includes all persons representing Presenting information on behalf of the applicants such as attorneys engineers and architects This time is limited but not including questions asked by the planning commission of staff regarding the request members of the general public are given the opportunity to address their concerns in intervals of two minutes The administrator has a time and will make present presenters aware of when their time has expired The planning commission reserves the right to amend these procedures on a case-by-case basis The planning commission uses a consent agenda to approve the non-conversal or routine matters by single motion and vote Examples of such items include approval of site plans annexations and street names if a member of the planning commission Or general public wants to discuss an item on the consent agenda That item is removed from this the consent agenda and considered during the meeting The planning commission then approves the remaining consent consent agenda items Are there any changes to the public's agenda for this evening? Yes, ma'am. There's a couple of changes case number three S plan dash twenty twenty one dash zero zero one seven which was a site plan approval on Atlas Road has been deferred in case number six, which is s in dash twenty twenty one dash Zero zero zero four a street name request has also been deferred Will the staff please read the consent agenda item for this evening? The first item on the consent agenda is to approve the September 13th twenty twenty one minutes The second item on the consent agenda is SPLAT dash twenty twenty one dash zero zero eight six This is eighteen point seven one acres on the forty nine hundred block of block broad River Road near Dut Grove Way And it is a request for site plan approval for the construction of a hundred and eighty seven lot attached single-family residential subdivision Hunters Grove phases five and six the properties were zoned RG to fp and see to at the time of application Is there anyone from the planning commission that would like to remove any item from the consent agenda? Is there anyone from the public either in person or virtually that would like to have an item removed from the consent agenda? We're participating. Please provide your name For the minutes Please communicate by sending an email to COC board meeting at Columbia sc.gov Please communicate via phone by pressing star two to leave a voicemail or start three to speak in person We will pause to allow communications from the public the phone number is 855925 2801 and the meeting code is two one three. Oh, I don't have any emails that have come through Do you want to wait a few more seconds to let the video catch up? Okay. Thank you. I do not have anyone joining the call Thank you Do I have a motion and second to accept the consent agenda subject to all conditions contained in the case summers? Mrs. Chair, I make a motion that we accept the consent agenda There a second second any further discussions Here and none all in favor let it be known by I all opposed motion passed The Planning Commission will now move forward with those items on the regular gender We will use the following outline for regular agenda items The administrator would induce the case the applicant will have 10 minutes to make a presentation The Planning Commission may ask questions the public will be allowed to participate via email voicemail voicing person and via the web Planning Commission may ask additional questions off the African and then we'll have action by the planning committee All right, the first case on the regular agenda is ZMA 2021-0007 This is a request for a major amendment to the harvison plan development district This is for a 14.4 acre parcel Or two parcels that are at the corner of tiny woods road and broad River Road To amend the land use of the parcels on the general land use development plan from unassigned reserved to Residential I believe the applicants present if they want to Come up and answer any commission questions. Is he applicant here? Would you like to present or add anything to the? Um, I'm Kimberly with civil engineering of Columbia. This is Phillip. He is with the applicant Mugga Holmes Sorry I don't think there's anything we're going to add to this at this time the main things are actually with the schedule Does the planning committee have any follow-up questions for the applicant or staff at this time? Okay, thank you We encourage those who'd like to make a comment via email or the web to begin sending letters and emails Emails is to coc boy meetings at columbia sc.gov or on the web at HTTPS colon forward slash forward slash public input comm slash COCPC October 21 2021 For those wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live call eight five five nine two five two eight zero one When prompted, please enter the meeting code of twenty one thirty Then press star two to leave a voicemail or press star three to speak live Be sure your computer audio is off to avoid any feedback First we'll hear from the audience if anyone would like to speak Please keep your comments to two minutes. My name is Cynthia T. Bowen. I'm a resident at Harbison actually a very long time resident and many of us who purchased early on purchased under the hood small town plan program and This site that we're talking about right now was marketed in several different ways as green spaces So I bought my home a few Call the sacks down from there thinking that would be recreational or walkways or things We've challenged that several times earlier with Richland zoning before this was annex in the city And so our developmental design review committee I know Ozzie Nakeler is the chair and I've had a long conversation with him I know they've already given conceptual approval for this I just simply want to say as a resident that if we change this after all these years I've been in Harbison over 40 years that we really need to do that with the spirit of the small towns programs with looking at the fact that There are two adjoining neighborhoods and that we look at that in a way so that the house sizes the lot sizes and Care to the environment is taken as if it were in the original plan as residential things and then when The site plan in number five is presented. I have two specific concerns. I'd like to address on that Thank you for your time. Thank you You show you may come forward Hello, I'm Andy Koshlack. I'm also a longtime resident of the Harbison area. I appreciate our rec center and everything But again, we're starting to kill too many trees trees. I've never heard anybody as far as I know But we always want to develop money as an issue everywhere, but I don't think Building 70 houses in 14 acres is the solution to this problem and We snuck it under us everybody at Harbison I walked the area along four-stage road where it would butt up against the exit for this new housing area And everybody was ready to sign a petition and get this out of here. I Hate to say I agree with them, but I was just informing them. I told them I'm just here the bearer of information because if you saw the signs It was about this big and micro printed So it's on a bad road to stop in and get out and look so I was like I say just bearer bad news Okay, thank you. Thank you, sir Hello, can you hear me? Yes, ma'am. My name is Ruby Hall, and I am a longtime resident of Harbison also and my property runs parallel to the site of development and I have a couple of concerns one is the congestion of the traffic on the road There is a light at River Road and also Piney Woods Road, and I Think the entrance to this development is probably less than 200 feet from the traffic stop And so therefore it would cause a hazard for traffic Have a problem with the Connectivity of people going in and out of the new development Also, I like to know if a traffic study has been done So those that is one of my concerns Rachel you have any comments on the practice study? I am not sure on that but Mr. Chambers can speak to that the site plan comes up of number five on the agenda Okay, now we'll hear any comments that we've received in writing I've not seen any emails come through since we've gotten started Are there any voicemails that we received as well of anyone calling in live? I do not have any callers I just want to comment. It seems like the zoning and the site plan are pretty linked. Is there some way before we vote on The zoning that we could hear the site plan I mean, I know they're separate, but they if we rezoned and I mean, I know if anyone else feels that way But it seems like that I kind of would like to hear from the developer about the site plan And there's several questions and people who want to address it before we vote on the zoning Hear from the site plan and then vote on the zoning and then vote The site plan The rezoning is actually not project-specific so I know the site plan is on the agenda But the rezoning is just a recommendation and it does go to Council, but it's just for residential by any action on the rezoning. It's not walking into the site plan I just want to make sure that's clear as well What's the density for the rezoning Just for that amount of property, what would it what would the maximum be? 12 to 18 dwelling units per acre. It would be the art kind of it would Align with our previous RG to under the old order with the African like to address any of the comments and question It was raised by the public Or by the how about the commissioner Okay, I'll address the traffic study question now I guess it would be more appropriate if we were able to do the sketch plan first, but We are and have been in contact with DOT. They have seen the sketch plan and We have talked to them about the entrances and the options At some point they will require a traffic impact study, but they have not had any issues with what we've presented to them so far Are there any other? Follow-up questions from the planning Commission. I Had a question about it. Do we know the zoning around? the area Is that shown I didn't see that? I mean, it's the Residential it's within me. That's the harvest in general development plan That's on the presentation. It's all within the harvest and plan development district Gotcha, and then it has land use assigned to it within that so currently the parcels are zoned as unassigned reserved and They're the orange with the star and then if they Get the major change to the pud or the plan development. It would become the residential 8 or 12 to 18 dwelling units per acre. Any other questions? Yes, ma'am That we're talking about with the traffic. It's residential. It's a long street with cul-de-sacs To the other side of this property There are smaller homes east Grove Corks that are off of harvest and Boulevard And then to the back of this property is the harbors and rec center and recreational fields broad river for quarters That hill Thank you. Thank you. May I please have a motion? Y'all someone wants to speak I think there was someone else that wanted to speak yes, sir If you could come forward sir, thank you again, I apologize I did not plan on speaking but I may be able to clarify a few items. My name is Dave Goro, but I'm the executive director of Harveston The issue here from our Association I think we feel that sometime in our lifetime that 14.1 acre will be developed You know, it's a Yeah, we'd all like to see it say there's a green space trees and all that but realistically somewhere in the future It'll be developed the residential people are very well-known. There's no question about southern homes The issue that these people are concerned about is the exit The traffic exit will be directly across the road from Forest Edge If you're familiar with broad river If you turn left on if you're coming toward Costco or going from Costco you leave broad river You're going downhill and Forest Edge is probably two or three hundred yards away So you want to have traffic going downhill? Meanwhile, you got Forest Edge coming this way and you're gonna have the residential development coming this way It's an accident waiting to happen There is a huge amount of traffic and if you don't believe they're speeding We live there. We see it every day. They speed By the time they leave broad river and they're headed toward Costco. They're probably headed about 50 miles an hour So you interject another residential area an exit And you're gonna have a traffic congestion to my knowledge. There's no suicide lane a part expression There's no third lane there for people to pull into So it appears that the developer has an option of having an exit or entrance off a broad river or on piney woods These people here would prefer that the entrance or exit be on broad river Again, piney woods right now is a two-lane highway. If you're familiar and please Most of us have traveled that and we live there. We see it every day. There is speedy So if you're going downhill toward Costco from broad river You're gonna go maybe a hundred yards or so oops there is forest edge So you're gonna have 74 homes maybe two vehicles per home or more So you're gonna have people coming in right there and it's gonna be a again an accident waiting to happen the other issue that It's kind of personal. I think with all of us apparently the regulations Stipulate that all you have to do is give us notice about 10 days As Andy said here the announcements were posted on broad river the little announcement Was about the size of a postcard So we had to actually get off Get down and base up here on our knees and take a photograph of it to find out when the hearing was going to be Hill so these people here only had about five days to notify us of this hearing There's only two people here three people representing the neighbors But they're very emotional about this and I think all of them realize that at one point or another it's going to be developed But the traffic entrance and exit is a major major problem If it's not addressed now Again, it's going to be an accident there So the option appears to be you have an entrance on broad river or you have it on piney woods They all prefer that it be on broad river and not on piney woods But in terms of the residential area, yes We have residential sub-associations all around that area and our recreational center is right behind it So you've got 14 point acres from broad river in our ball field is right behind it It's a beautiful place. You'll be developed someday But I urge you to give serious consideration to the site plan We're traffic entrance right now. It's proposed to be directly across the road from forest edge And again, that's going to be a major issue Major issue Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Thank you have we So and I just want to clarify again the matter before you all right now It's just the major amendment for the land use the site plan is a different matter Any other public comments via letters or email? Okay, hearing none We'll move back to me. I have a motion, please Make a motion to approve the rezoning of broad River Road TMS 05013 May I have a second? Is there any further discussion? You're in none all those in favor that it be number. I Know poses motion carry We will now have to staff call the next case, please the next case is a Site plan approval for 14.4 acres the south-west corner of broad River Road and Punney Woods Road And Jonathan's going to present the site plan case Good evening. This is a again a site plan approval For 14.4 acres the south-west corner of broad River Road and Piney Woods Road and This 14.4 acre parcel That is located at the southwest corner of broad River Road and Piney Woods Road the proposed development will contain 74 attached single-family residences and the lot sizes will be between 3800 square feet and 4,600 square feet a Portion of the site will be retained as common area and there will be walking trails will be provided For access to the harp the existing harvison trails the proposed site plan has been a reviewed by the harvison group There are various comments containing staff comments and should the Commission be inclined to grant the request we would ask that they grant it subject to the staff comments found in the case summary And the applicant is present and can elaborate on the case The applicant would you like to present or add any additional information to what the staff has introduced to us so far? And if so to limit your presentation to 10 minutes, please. I just wanted to bring forward the pretty board The color rendering The site plan and I just wanted to point out several things We are going to be meeting a very very very Stringent Landscaping requirement. We're going to be keeping About 30% of the site as common area Most of it being undisturbed, especially in the wetlands down close to the bottom I don't know if y'all can see that on that little site plan And this side over here. It's to the left on your screen All of that is actually part of harvison's group It's their property that has a walking trail on it. We are adding several accesses to that walking trail to try and Kind of promote activity throughout We do have buffers that surround the entire property so that there will be Screening from the roads. I do want to get back to the access We like I said, we have been talking to a CDOT. We preliminarily Give them the the opportunity to look at it Of course before they give any approvals I just want to let you know that they do require us to do a Traffic Impact plan They are they have no issues with this accessing off of punty woods, but they are going to look at all the traffic out there If they think it's going to be better for us to do it off of broad River We can move the access to there But they will probably Make us do some mitigations there too to help with the traffic So I just wanted to let you know to keep that in mind as well Does the planning commission have any follow-up questions for the staff or for the applicant? I have a question for the applicant is piney woods road. Is that a DOT road or is that a county here? It is a DOT road. Okay So that that Curb cut or access ultimately is subject to their approval. Yes. Yes. Do he has to approve it either way Okay, were there any Plans or attempts as far as trying to access broad river We have looked at broad river DOT didn't like that one very much They prefer us actually to go on punty woods But like I said, they're gonna make us do a traffic impact study They're gonna make us look at mitigations and all that to kind of help with the traffic issue out there They do require us to tie in directly across from other roads just to kind of Help with the traffic and stuff like that. So that's why we do have it tied in right across from forest edge That was my next question. So oh No, you okay cool. So yes, that's why we do have it tied in right across from forest edge So that you have those straight across Movements going on. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you We in that we encourage those who We encourage those who'd like a comment via email or the web to begin sending in letters and emails emails are to be sent to COC board meeting at columbia sc.gov or on the web at HTTPS colon for its last for its last public input Com slash co CPC That's October 2021 For those waiting to leave a voicemail or to speak live call eight five five nine two five two eight zero one When prompted enter the meeting code of two one three zero Then press star two or leave to leave a voicemail or press star three to speak live Please be sure that your computer audio is off to avoid any feedback First we'll hear from anyone in the audience who would like to speak on this matter Ruby Hall resident Harvingson I Do have a few questions on the development. We're not really aware Of the development until we really saw the signs and really didn't have time to do very much research on it But these are my questions number one What type of material will be used for construction? What is the price range? What is the square footage of the units? Are these rentals or rent to buy? Are the townhouse houses? Reloaded or front loaded? Are there any federal or special financing? When examples section 8 etc. What type of lighting will be used? Upward or downward and the type of lighting is it LED? Will there be dumpsters or rolling bins is? Disturor capacity Sufficient for the size of the development will there be suitable amount of parking? Will it be parallel or on-street parking? Will there be underground or retention quad? Are there any protracted protective strings nearby? Will there any be will there be any impact to? Stormwater runoff Will there be any trees saved? Will there be a playground or dog park? Well, how much green space is included also what impact on the schools Will it have? Will it be overcrowding and what schools will be impacted? Will there be tree conservation? Will the sidewalks be safe for children? Can a firetruck or school bus turn around or enter the exit or entrance of the development and the buffers What is the size of the buses buffers in the plan and will it be graded? Undisturbed or a request if you're going to do a bus, but it'd be at least 50 feet Thank you. Thank you Cynthia Tebow As I mentioned earlier, I talked at length with Ozzie Nagler who was one of the original harvests and planners he's internationally known as an architect and planner and Our design development design review committee did give conceptual approval to this site plan without any resident input I personally spoke with 10 of my neighbors This weekend because again the short notice All of them agreed that we feel like the traffic that we've talked about is a problem and the density is a problem And in my earlier comments, I did ask you to try to consider the spirit of the plan of small towns planning and As I described our neighborhood, which is off Forest Edge Road Is one is the neighborhood that's going to be negatively impacted Ours are larger houses with larger lots and garages The other neighborhood that borders this side are all the east courts east Grove East Pine Those are smaller houses on smaller lots that most don't have garages But they won't be impacted because of our walkway system That's already there including a trail and a tunnel that goes under broad River Road in case you want to walk to Harvesting on that side Behind us the rec center There I don't think it can be built there what they put as green spaces is what I understand from Ozzie Nagler is a flood zone the plain flood plain and So one of the things Ozzie talked about was it that the DDRC does require the tree buffer around the edge and That there would be common areas inside Now as a harvest and resident if you tell me there's common spaces then I expect to see places for playgrounds places for Greenery I didn't see any of that on the site map, and this is the first time I've seen that site map So that would be my first request that we look at the density. It's not Comfortable at all to either neighborhoods that it's decided The traffic thing would be my second one. There should be no way that that only entrance and exit is the pine woods Location broad River Road, there's nothing else directly across that we have three smaller Harvesting neighborhoods that Enter through broad River Road a little farther down My knowledge there's not been any problems were there. They've been there for years and like I said The rec center and the fields are our flood plain So the density the idea of common areas being something other than a flood plain at the back up there and then Our DDRC requires the buffer that y'all talk about the trees and things like that But as a resident, I would like y'all to know that when I bought I bought fully knowing that My property would be subject to our declaration of covenants in the restrictions as a homeowner I can't cut down a tree that's more than three inches in diameter without prior approval And I do know sometimes a buffer zone for a home builder is very different from a buffer zone as a resident And sometimes those mature trees get cut down and there's no way to put them back And so that is something I feel like needs to be stringent because our community That's one of the things that a lot of us bought there because we weren't a clear cut and then put in the small Trees from Lowe's kind of community. We have mature trees and that's I think that's one of our aspects there. So I Really appreciate your time I would ask you to think about the impact on people even Ozzie napalers said that piney woods has the Capacity for those additional cars. We're not just looking at numbers here We're looking at quality of neighborhoods and those of us who've been there a long time thinking that was gonna be recreational spaces We're counting on you To make sure that it's something closer in line to the neighborhoods that are there and it's done in a way that's safe traffic wise Thank you, ma'am. We appreciate you We're now here for comments that may have been received in writing. Do we have any comments? I'm not receiving the emails on this matter Thank you We have any comments Receiving voicemail as well as anybody calling in line. I do not we had another Question that wanted to speak I'll ask that whoever is speaking. Please limit yourself to two minutes You may come forward, sir Again, I'm Andy Cushland. I would ask the city of Columbia. What are you gonna do for? Are you gonna reinforce the police station that stare now and because we're adding 70 plus houses Is the fire station going to be updated too? because again That's a lot more area and a lot more people we have to look at then what's there right now and again It falls on the city of Columbia Thank you, sir, and I saw a hand in the corner Okay, thank you Would the applicant like to address any of the questions or comments? We've heard from the public Are there any follow-up questions from the commissioner planning commission? May I please have a motion? Take a shot at this and I would like to say that I'm grateful for everyone that came and spoke on behalf of this and of these impact people and we're not making light of that, but I Think a lot of what I heard or either items that don't fall under our purview or Like the traffic or things like that. They will get addressed with the DOT under a pretty tight rope so just Rest assured some of those concerns don't just stop here, but having said that I Would make the motion that we approve the applicants site plan or 14.4 acres at the southwest corner of Broad River Road and Pineywood Road And that is site plan review 2021-0088 Can we please add that it is subject to staff comments in the case summary? Yes Subject to all of staff's comments Is there a second? second Is there any further discussion on the matter all those in favor? Let it be known by I In your post Motion carried with the staff calling next case, please Yes, that's going to bring us to 16.2 acres at 750 and 754 South Beltline Boulevard and 1414 hundred block of McKell Lane and this 16.2-acre property is located in the 700 block of South Beltline Boulevard and the 1400 block of McKell Lane the majority of the site is Located in the flood plain and contains wetlands This development will be clustered on 4.2-acre portion of the site and the remaining portion of the site will be Undisturbed and retained as open space the proposed development will contain 19 single-family residences with light with lot sizes between 4200 square feet and 6300 square feet and Access access to the residents will be through an alleyway Along the South Beltline Boulevard in a cul-de-sac that will be constructed along McKell Lane And should the Commission be inclined to grant this approval. We would ask that they do it with staff comments And I believe the present the applicant as president can go into further detail about their application Would that Africa like to present any additional information? Yes, ma'am. My name is Patrick Livingston and I'm with civil engineering of Columbia I don't really have anything to add to what Jonathan said The only thing I would add is that we have had discussions with DOT I know the traffic is a concern and they don't have a problem of what we're doing Granted we modify one thing the entrance and the two drives on South Beltline we would Turn those into one way the southern one would be one way in the northern one would be out So there wouldn't be two full-access drives there and that would allow us to meet all their concerns with that one and then Michael Drive Access Michael Lane, excuse me They had no issues with that one There's a planning commission having a follow-up question for staff for the African were there Were there homes here before the flood? Where's this an undeveloped piece? Undeveloped as far as I'm aware We encourage those who'd like to make a comment via email or via the web to begin sending in letters and emails emails may be sent to COCO board meeting at columbia sc.gov or on the web at HTTPS colon for it slash for it slash public input comm slash co CPC dash October between 21 For those waiting to leave a voicemail or to speak live call eight five five nine two five two eight zero one When prompted into the meeting code two one three zero Then press star two to leave a voicemail or press star three to speak live Please be sure your computer computer audio is off to avoid any feedback First we will hear from the audience For those who would like to speak please keep your comments to two minutes You may put them in Okay, break dice. My name is Nan Trout. I'm here with my mother Linda epting I'm in the adjacent property as you're looking towards it from the road on the right-hand side We own those four lots there for over 70 years. I Have brought with me a plan development of that area from back in the 50s So you can see what the city Columbia had planned for that area and why we purchased those properties back then to build our home There's one home on that house and then next to us. It also is a large lot with one home on it This lot did have two homes on it It had a trailer at one point and then it had a trailer on the other side. I I Do not Pretend to know about developments, but I do know about this peeps of property and I do know about this area this area is damaged because The gills Creek not being dredged when it needed to be dredged and this property goes all the way to the creek So this is an unusual piece of property that it actually crosses the creek while the city of the Columbia owns the rest of it I do not believe that somebody cannot develop this property, but they can develop properly around you You will notice the size of lots that surround all those areas. Those are large lights. They're some medium It was planned like that. It was planned to have a diverse different type of you know lots and we want it to remain that way Now I understand that to develop this to make the most money This would be the ideal way to do it the most But you can still develop this property and make a lot of money if you'll spend the money on the infrastructure that needs to be there Like the road that goes through it if you'll notice Bright Avenue actually is on the side of that road That road could be opened up and used there could be a road that went from Michael to Bright Avenue There is a clear road at area there that could be used. That was part of the original development back in the 50s I've made my little Kindergarten version of a plan and I'd love to share it with you The other thing that I have a real big problem with is the Homeowners Association owning the rest of the property and not an actual person owning that property What would that leave? Where would that be written in stone? Is that going to be a conservation easement? Are they going to sell that conservation easement? Are they going to make money off of that? Who's going to be in charge of this and be seeing it for the rest of its life? Because that's what it comes down to There's also a place that where they've decided they want to put a retention pond that is a mold That is a huge development when used to have to start putting retention There's plenty of drainage in there. There's a creek There's an old pond area that needs to be cleaned out and there's drainage directly there And there is a huge easement that runs through there that has all the manhole covers So there's plenty of drainage. We don't need any New ponds back in there This has been tried before I don't know if y'all are familiar when drear took over a whole bunch of property They had all those houses They had to get rid of and they moved houses over to South Beltline and they said this is what we're going to do We're going to tear down one house and we're going to put move all these drear houses because we want to save them Go by there. It's a wreck. It's awful. It's it's not anything what it conforms to our area So that's all we're asking is we want to conform to that area I'm looking at what I can do to my property and I've told the residents there that I believe and so does everybody else I cannot find anybody that's for in our group are around us I've said if this was if this is how South Belt line is going to go then this is how I will also go So and the Turvills next to me have agreed that this if this is the way that South Belt lines turning Because we don't want to live there and it end up like the other Belt line where the road is right here Our rosewood where you step out onto the road and that's what it's going to end up being and we just truly don't want that and I Have almost died right there and there's an accident right there at that intersection It's bright and you can call DOT and ask them how many times they have to replace the sign at the end of our Street because people drive straight through and drive over South Belt line onto the other side and wreck their cars in our yard all the time Thank you Questions about that area. I'm the one to ask for my mom. We've been there the longest that we can find Thank you for listening to me. I appreciate it. Thank you Any other public comments? Please try to limit your remarks to two minutes. Please sir. Hey, I'm Mark Cox I'm on Michael Lane my house backs up to where the houses that are built on this development will go I'm moved to Michael Lane about 10 years ago and was amazed by the wildlife and the beautiful trees and wetlands behind me I've walked back there. It's all swamp land. It's lots of beautiful preserved wetlands We were devastated in 2015 when the flood came through it hit our front yards Two streets down on Timberland and Glen Haven the whole entire street was underwater and we helped them rebuild You could see all of our neighbors helped them rebuild Michael was covered in water as well, but we rebuilt that too We're still dealing with the sitters with the sewers and the water But but we continue to grow as a community when COVID hit we continue to grow as a community and we're not against growth We're not against development. We're not against things getting better and moving forward We've been actually excited that the zoning board on August 30th Swit stars are lots from small lots to 15,000 square foot lots And that was a real big deal to us after all the growth. We've been through in the last five years So to learn that on August 20th This was submitted to get grandfathered into the old zoning really had it hurt us deep after we've grown so much These houses between 4200 and 6300 versus the 15,000 square foot that we have now grown into We're a community that's been hit we're a community that wants to grow But we know that this density based on 16.2 acres is only four acres usable And with this being submitted on the 20th This is to get land that was not meant to be this way grandfathered into a zoning that's there now So we hope y'all keep that in mind and that our community continues to grow up and not stay stagnant Thank you. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Dolores Glenn and I also reside on Michael Lane and have lived there for 20 plus years and Like mr. Cox said that area is not designed for a lot of Multi units family units to be stuck in this little 4.2 acre plot and you and on that little street It's a very small narrow street and you when you try to crowd that much in To that smaller area. I'm still my backyard is still suffering from the flood of 2015 because again That Gil Creek was never Addressed like it should have been and so my backyard still has water when it rains coming up in the yard And so when you want to put that many more houses in that area most of it is wetland. It's floodplain you're Adminishing the quality of life of the people that have lived there for so many years and I think that's a travesty Yes, ma'am. You may come forward. My name is Jim gathers and I live at 817 South Belt line I've been there for 20 years. The reason we bought where we were up on that. We live up on Hill Thank goodness because South Belt line floods all the time. So down below us is flooding all the time We bought because the lot was large. We've lived in the neighborhood. We want to keep it as large lots The plans, I mean, I'm very upset about trying to put 19 homes on four acres. I vote no Thank you. Thank you. You're the comment from the audience We would now hear the comments that have been received in writing We've not received any emails at this time We will now hear any voicemails received as a well of those calling in line. I do not have any callers on the line Thank you Would the applicant like to address any of the concerns that was expressed any questions from the public? Thank you Are there any follow-up questions from the planning commission? Madam chair this is a for the Two items that were presented by miss trial. I think we need to put those on the on the record as Exhibits a and b which looks like a pre-limit of Proposed site plan of the property as well as an older plat of the area as exhibits a and b for the record So That will be a I'll come and get those and share them around there weren't enough copies for everybody of both Just to clarify if this was approved they would not be able to build So they're basically building on four of 16 And they would not be able to build on the other 12 acres, correct under any I mean this is with their their application is for Cluster housing Which the site in it total is I think 16.2. They're only they're Essentially only developing four acres of the 16 right, but the other The other portions of the site are Within the flood plain and in wetlands, so they can't build there is correct highly unlikely that they would be able to build Of that I guess entire acres. What is that buildable are you using I guess the whole Buildable are you jamming at all the what you got? Okay? Madam chair, I did get an email in the last couple of minutes if you don't mind I'll read that for the record. Please do This is from Stacy Newham About the South Beltline property. It says I'm concerned about the lack of landscaping Slash removal of all those trees Isn't the federal government trying to get three billion dollars for tree equity? This development is going to contribute to quote quote global warming Unquote and make our neighborhood hotter by removing all those trees which in turn costs us money on more electricity Which in turn is bad for the environment as well. That's the end of the email Only an antidote of what happened in my yard. I had a lady come up to me Excuse me, ma'am. Can you state your name for the record? I'm Linda and I live on South Beltline But the lady that drove into my yard had been on a tour of gardens And she looked around my yard and she said I think I have died and gone to heaven You're taking that away from us if you let this go through I Heard you and wanted to comment about the harvest and thing. I read about that many years ago It was a division that was planned to have a lot of outspace for people to enjoy as I enjoy in my yard I have six acres It's mostly woods now my husband took care of it and it was a beautiful garden when the lady saw it But it's still very precious because we have deer coming into our yard and eating things Sometimes I wish they would leave some of those things alone, but it is a blessing to have those deer come to me You just can't imagine the way it makes me feel But think about that when you consider our area. There are not many places like that left in Columbia and Let us enjoy what we have as long as we can Thank you. Thank you Would the Africa like to address any comments or questions made by the public? Well, there are any other follow-up questions from the planning committee I think we've closed the public comment period yes, I'm sorry, ma'am. We've already closed Okay, thank you, ma'am May I please have a motion? May I please have a motion? May I please have a motion? Before we make a motion no, I do have a question Where were the residents nearby? Consulted with for any input in this please come to the microphone to answer the question We had two meetings with the neighborhood association. Yes, sir You need to come to the microphone if you're going to As the closest homeowner to the property I got a piece of paper on my mailbox not even in it two days before the only meeting that we've had and On top of that We weren't alerted to any of the changes with the zoning that he was grandfathering into So we had no idea that and had to do research within like four days to figure all of this out part of life well It just seems like I mean I think Personally, I like this period of the plan. It just seems like there's some valid concerns that maybe could be worked out You know, and I don't know if you're up against a Time frame in this but that's just you know, I can appreciate both sides of this We can't have any testimony from the audience they need to make that on the record at the podium That's what I thought. I just want to make sure understood that correctly Thank you. And I just want to put on the record That yes the parcel is RSF one under the new ordinance that cluster housing is allowed under the new ordinance as well So it wouldn't have changed Order new I guess my question again, sorry to bring it back up But was there any other look at interconnectivity with these with this layout versus the alleyway? You know, did you look at that through DOT is you know, what was their suggestions? I mean, I hate to keep bringing this back up But that's the one thing that bothers me is driving down south belt line is that alleyway and I get it to one Way and that's a good thought process through it But just just wanted to pose the question. Yes, sir DOT actually was very pleased with our Proposal because if you didn't have the alleyway there each individual lot would have access to south belt line so by doing it this way you're decreasing the number of Access points to south belt line and so the the Impact on the traffic and on the residents is actually better because we had the alley than it would be if we didn't have the alley And I guess it would was that Bright Street ever brought up No, sir, I mean, I guess it's pretty low. They probably didn't want to involve that or was Yes, so that was that was another parcel that's this owned by another individual and wasn't wasn't part of this Proposal, okay. It just looked like it was Not owned by somebody, but that's fine. You're good. I see what you're saying. Yes. Thank you. Yep Can you put the site plan back up on the screen? Yeah, I guess my concern again remains the size of the lots and comparison to the neighborhood and I I also hear that concern and It you know visually you can look at it and see how narrow those lots are and how crammed they are in there It's it doesn't seem consistent With the rest of the neighborhood, so thank you Well, may I please have a motion? I have a question for staff By a motion If there was a deferral to afford them the opportunity to try to come up with something Where I'm probably the zoning of being able to cluster would still remain the same Given that I would I would make the motion to defer the case one month Just to try to afford the opportunity for different concerns to be heard You know, I do like the spirit of what you're trying to do and it seems like maybe there's a way You know, you guys can find some common ground Before we would make a motion one way or the other that would maybe potentially set you back So having said that I would make them I Would put forth the motion that we defer the applicant site plan review at 750 and 754 South Belt Line Boulevard on the 1400 block of Michael Lane I'll second Although is there any further discussion on the matter madam chairwoman just to just for clarity They're going to defer and is there any direction with regards to a deferral? well my direction would be to try to meet with some of the residents or the Community association there With regard to just a lot size in the layout You know, I don't want to represent either way, but that would be my suggestion and then we can hear it again I will say that I think it needs to be comparable to what's currently there as far as The new site plan that we will review it needs to be comparable to what's already in that community I will I will just add that I I do believe that this kind of property should be developed Honestly, and so I'm not against development philosophically on this property. My concern is The lot size I do not think it needs to be a hundred percent compatible. I'm not concerned about some level of density. This seems Like more than it should be so I would imagine there might be a compromise that unfortunately would not make the developer Probably as wealthy as they would be and probably might not make the neighborhood as happy as they would be but I I Would not vote for this and so if I had any direction, it would be some compromise that would be something in between I Would confirm that just for the record We would just want to state that this cluster housing provision is is permitted under the current and Previous zoning. Thank you All those in in favor of the motion say aye Any opposed motion carried Would the staff present the next case? The next case is amendments to the text of chapter 17 of the Columbia code ordinances Entitled the unified development ordinance for the city of Columbia, South Carolina and Rachel is going to walk you through those changes Yes, so as we expected once the ordinance took effect and we started looking at projects under the new ordinance we came across some elements that we could Clarify and streamline and we also came across some omissions that we needed to correct I will run through these just very quickly for the record In article 2 we are just clarifying certain rezoning and site improvement definitions as well as adding in the Bailey bill because we had left that out Article 3 just some some setback tweaks Article 4 Just clarifying where certain uses can be located As you all know, we drafted the text before we mapped the city So now we're figuring out that certain uses should actually be permitted in certain districts So those changes article 5 we cleaned up bicycle parking. We realized we were requiring Too many bicycle parking spaces, so we made it meet more to current development and curtain needs throughout the city as Well as some just corrections and landscaping and to make it more user-friendly in the landscaping section and then Article 7 we clarified Just the non-conforming certificate process in article 9. We added in some more definitions On our goal with the code was to define as much as we could to make it more user-friendly. So just adding more definitions And then we just updated the table of landmarks that were in the back of the code to just make sure they meet All of the landmarks currently on the record So, but I'm happy to answer any questions Does the planning commission have any questions for our follow-up questions for staff We will now open up the public comment period We encourage those who would like to comment via email or via the web to begin Sending in the letters and emails emails should be sent to COCO board meeting at Columbia SC Dot gov or at the well at HTTPS Colon forward slash forward slash public input dot com slash COCC dash October 2021 for those wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live call eight five five 925 to 8 0 1 When prompted, please enter the meeting code 2 1 3 0 Then press star 2 to leave a voicemail or press star 3 to speak live Please be sure that your computer audio is off to avoid any feedback Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak a comment on any of the Recommendations and please leave your comments for two minutes. Have we received any? Comments in writing I'm not received any emails about this item We're not here for any voicemails or any for those calling in live since we've not had any Folks showing up to speak here presently. I'm going to wait just a little bit Would you like to make any address any comments or any questions that we have No, ma'am. Are there any follow-up questions for the planning commission? May I please have a motion? Sure, I'm gonna wait just about 15 more seconds. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate the edits actually I mean, I'm glad I mean, I think that should be the attitude It was a giant document and to believe that you would get it a hundred percent Correct the first time so I'm glad that this is the this is the appropriate way to think about It is that we'll make shifts as things With the tax being approved two years ago Absolutely, I do not have any callers. Okay. Thank you Are there any other follow-up questions from the planning commission? May I please have a motion? Madam chair, I move that we approve staff recommendations for amendments to the Planning document the city planning document and May I have a second second? Is there any further discussion here and none all those in favor say aye. I All opposed say no motion carried Are there any other business? I don't think we have any other business this evening if there are no other business then may I have a motion to adjourn? some is second second All those in favor let it be known about sign I Means now adjourned