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Oh, thanks me if you also wish to bring it go to patreon.com Slash ace detect that's patreon.com slash A C E D T E C T I'm Jenny Josephson and Julia's technical form and I'm very pleased to tell you that this is Tom's last day on assignment So once again, it's your choice Friday with Roger Jang Darren kitchen had to reschedule his usual appearance But we have Len Peralta here to draw the day and a special guest straight from the YouTube event Lamar Wilson. Hello Lamar. You are my hero. Hello Jenny Good to be here Forward to my seven course dinner tonight We also have Roger Chang hi Roger hi Len hello Hello, how are you? I'm very excited that you're all here and I'm very excited that it's Friday And I'm very excited that we have headlines to read So I might just do that and if you're on the video you're not gonna hear any music, but you'll hear it in post Okay, so YouTube announced a standalone app and website focused on video game related content today Tech crunch reports that the site will be called YouTube gaming and will launch in the US and UK this summer No direct date given the site will have pages dedicated to more than 25,000 games And we'll focus on allowing gamers to livestream their games while they play just like twitch Not at all ominously for this show YouTube says it will be rolling out changes to its live streaming tool to simplify the Broadcasting experience We're gonna be talking much more about this in the discussion section, but Lamar give me just like one headline from the event All right, and the BBC reports that a panel of three US judges will not postpone an implementation of net neutrality rules despite opposition from surprise surprise AT&T and Verizon The FCC's Tom Wheeler called it quote a victory for internet consumers and said that quote starting Friday There will be a referee on the field to keep the internet fast fair and open But Birkin's scoza the president of the lobby group tech freedom ironically enough Which is opposed to the new rule said quote today simply marks the beginning of a protracted legal fight over the Legality of the FCC's takeover of the internet then so words fight words And you know who wins here You know what the theme of today's show is the lawyers win of course I'm just gonna call today's show Because this is far from done This will probably not be done for a very long time and it will be often in our headlines And I should say that half of the subreddit the DT and a subreddit Brought this one to our attention. So thank you to all of them. Yes. Thank you very much All right, so Reuters reports reports that blackberry is considering using Google's Android OS on an upcoming smartphone. You heard that blackberry had previously shown Android in the bet that it's blackberry 10 line of phones Would be able to clawback market share from iPhone it Android phones Unfortunately, it has not been able to do that now blackberry's new device management encryption system BES 12 Which is essentially the bread and butter blackberry their encryption and their secure data networks works Across multiple platforms including Android and iOS now two sources said that by launching an Android based device of its own Blackberry would be sending a signal to skeptics that hey look our BS 12 system works on everything Even Android and approve it will put out a phone that has Android on it But it's it's you know the bigger question of course and it was I didn't write the same is that well blackberry remain Kind of a third or a fourth leg after Microsoft in terms of smartphone Platforms or will it just be it's assumed into Android? And then using their encryption service basically sell that that works on would you know be platform agnostic I Don't know blackberry was super important to me in my earlier life as an online person So I think it's interesting to see them adapt Definitely All right So tech crunch would like you to know that the French government has a data protection watchdog committee And they have put their foot down and ordered Google to widened its Implementation of Europe's right to be forgotten ruling to include all Google domains all over the world I will pause Google has been removing requested links only from European subdomains The CN is select committee has generously given Google 15 days to comply A Google spokesperson said after banging his head against a wall We've been working hard to strike the right balance in implementing the European courts ruling Had I love this it's in many ways It's it's this is kind of inevitable right because it originally was like well whatever whatever footprint whatever You know in what you have within like the European market It's not unlike the way eBay had to withdraw Any kind of Nazi memorabilia that was being auctioned off because in France the Netherlands think Germany not seem and memorabilia is Outlawed it's it's contraband and not allowed for sale All right, I think what the larger theme and we're gonna get into this in the next story, too Is we are definitely reaching if not at we're probably not at peak litigated web I mean the web as a in Google as it's organizing the world's information is now Subject to litigation whenever somebody doesn't like what they do on this massive global scale So again great news for lawyers So in more great news for Google the globe and mail I find Publication in Canada reports that the search giant lost a legal appeal in British Columbia, Canada And will be forced to block results for the website of a clandestine company Accused of violating trademarks so back in 2011 a company called Ecoustic solutions that sells industrial networking devices accused a company called data link of Relabeling its products and passing them off as their own only data link was just like and stopped responding to the lawsuit So a British Columbia judge granted an injunction ordering Google to stop mentioning data link in its search results as a punitive measure Google was like excuse me. What do we have to do with this? But in illegal filing and so it goes on through the courts and a three judge appeals panel There are seem to be a lot of these floating throughout here today Said that Google targets internet users in British Columbia through ads and therefore the panel had jurisdiction a Google spokesperson did not say whether Google would appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada But I bet you a box of Tim Horton's doughnuts. They will and And you know this actually ties in with the previous story Ultimately how much jurisdiction how much reach can you have even as a national? you know a national court system where you can say well you have to do it for your entire presence around the world and And You know that this question will come more and more to a head with with not just Google but any kind of entity that works across multiple national boundaries and You know deals with a lot of things that tend to be very culturally Unique for example us has has a very unique freedom of speech clause now You know Canada they have freedom of expression, but it's limited somewhat because they put the word reasonably In terms of being able to control it so you know as you go through different jurisdictions Whether or not one for example of French says you can never print this anywhere in the world again It's like well no the U.S. This is legal and I can do whatever the hell I want And so I it's it's gonna be a mess and I if there ever is going to be a one-world government This is probably the starting place Of why it all just kind of comes to fruition not that I'm like you know a new world order kind of guy But you know the federation kind of started that way, but after federation you say a yes That sounds appealing to me All right the Associated Press reports that a government workers union claimed hackers stole detailed personal data and social security numbers of Every u.s. Federal employee making the recently uncovered cyber theft to much more damaging than first reported Why are further explained that the hackers who are believed to be from China access the so-called SF 86 forms? Documents used for conducting background checks for worker security cleaners The forms can contain a wealth of sensitive data not only about workers seeking security clearance But also about their friends spouses and other family members and ours Technica reports that the breach was not discovered by the US But instead was revealed during a sales Demonstration of a network forensic software packaged by a company called side tech services Can you imagine it's like being a door-to-door salesman for vacuum cleaners? And he's like oh my god You haven't cleaned your carpet in like ten years or like you discovered a black hole vacuum in space I mean that's how big this is to me This is can you imagine the guy who's like on the PowerPoint being like and then we wait what? Like you know you guys have a problem any anyone anyone I you know it this this this is a thing I mean and it's not bad and it's not just government. We've seen it with target any large entity Tends to be very bureaucratic because they have multiple errors and unfortunately often times You know the risks associated with data theft isn't the foremost thing in people's mind minds, right? It's not something that's tangible in the same way like hey someone stealing your mail you better, you know lock up your mailbox Have an entire national security agent devoted agency devoted to figuring out everything that ever happens everywhere And maybe they but come on why would they want that? I mean their whole job is a snoop Yeah, I was reading this last night and my my My take on it was the same as the same as you all The the last I forgot which articles we went the last part of it really upset me because There was a quote from a person who basically dismissed The idea they should have more encryption. They were basically saying oh You know they wanted to get in they would get in any way So, you know encryption is not the you know not that important But we'll add some more now and it's like really you are you all are in charge of all of this I mean think about this every federal employee. I mean you get that that is nothing to see said it This isn't target necessarily these are federal employees with some classifications and some and some things that some some of them Don't want to be found or not supposed to be found Yeah, I mean that's the thing about these forms is that they would take it to the human level for a second These are real people who gave the federal government all of their information Not just about like where they used to work But you have to really especially for those certain classification levels You got to give it all and that and they they have been exposed by the people they work for and not necessarily for all that much Money to make it worth it, you know the federal government doesn't pay everybody You know bonkers makes what makes me really sad for all these people and it makes the union very upset Yeah, and it's it it goes to a further argument of like a lot of the information that we keep secure like Social security numbers is we're using it for something that it wasn't intended to be used for Yeah, right as as personal identification in security in highly secure environments, right? It was a way to make sure that you got your disability or social security Check cut from the government your address kind of thing Well, it's a bummer So business insider reports that starting in July Twitter will remove the 140 character restriction for direct messages, you know the weird thing that you get and you're like I don't know where this notification is coming from and awesome. Let's that be a direct message Sachin Agarwal Twitter's product manager in this area said that no changes are planned for removing the character limit elsewhere So keep yourself pithy in public. This was so needed. I actually I'm that one guy to use the direct messages And I and I hate that limit and I'd have to split a conversation into six parts and type real fast The other person doesn't reply to it fast fast enough, you know, it's just it takes me back to when Text messages used to do that on your on your dumb phones Where you couldn't continually keep typing and so I'll go ahead It's very interesting because you know for for many people. I mean there the emails been around since like, you know the the 80s on some form or another and You know people are trying to find a new a new communication method that is an email and You know people direct messages like Lamar does other people use chat And you know snapchat whatever and it's very interesting. So people are jockeying for that position as kind of the next de facto What's what's your what's your initial point of contact right right now most people's it's not even a phone number It's email I'll email them and then I'll maybe call them or maybe I'll Facebook them or I'll tweet them or something else and You know for especially for Twitter. I mean, you know, they need to make money in In a significant way this could definitely be it where where it's like, you know what just tweet someone just tweet some direct This is gonna make booking this show so much easier for me on a personal level Like instead of having to try to find somebody's email and write them my usual polite multi-paragraph thing now I'm just like oh you're on Twitter. I'm gonna write you so I'm pretty happy about it the The bigger the bigger of course conundrum is like how do you how do you go back to previous conversations? So I'll solve that one week There's some lighter news variety is reporting that Lucasfilm and its subsidiaries including ILM have formed a new unit dubbed ILM X lab that is tasked with using virtual and augmented reality Technologies for immersive storytelling Lucasfilm's president Kathleen Kennedy said well We are currently exploring the fictional universes of Star Wars And I think a lot of people would like to be immersed in them the challenge Of course is for ILM X lab to find out what storytelling looks like in that kind of environment not in a book or in a movie The lab plans to announce the results of this of their work later this year This center Friday will be exploring virtual reality augmented reality in real-time cinema in theme park Experiences now the last one the theme park experiences I think is where it's at because anyone who's been to Disneyland Or Disney World has been on Star Tours and the first time you're right on start it when I was a kid I was like whoa, this is the best thing ever imagine if you can fly to other planets and do other things I know if you can really immerse people And ILM is actually very good at that and now that start Disney bought out Star Wars They have access to those things but to immerse someone in that level of Versatility, I think it's awesome like to just like I want to be I want to be an X-wing pilot Roger I'm gonna live in the Star Wars virtual universe Let's get real of never coming back once they get this to a certain level You know what once you start making that blue milk that Luke was drinking on top to wean. I mean that's it I mean you've gotten you got the clothes you got the environment you got the food and beverages all they need is a smell Of course, you never really know this I know what a wookie smells like trust me. Oh Oh My all right and now the news from you delivered fresh from the Daily Tech news show subreddit Lots of today's vote top vote getters by the way have already appeared in the headlines So I just wanted to pick one from lower down of the hot list Um, all right So what better way to end the weekend headlines than with the tale of Comcastian? Whoa Tea glass 1976 sent us the ars Technica report that Kathleen Cox of Jacksonville, Florida has been a loyal Comcast cable subscriber for 13 years She also used a Comcast email address Until Comcast took her email address and gave it to a woman in Michigan Which means that 13 years of her emails and contacts went poof Miss Cox spoke to 18 Comcast agents who promised to fix the problem. None of them did so Kathleen Cox Contacted her local news station, which reported the story and then poof Kathleen Cox got her email back So let's all take our hats off to First Coast news. They really are first for you. Oh, that's nice. That's really cool I really like that. I love local news I make fun of some of their later features all the time, but when stuff goes down That's who you call. Yeah, you know and ever since anchor man Everyone's kind of love to kind of poke fun at the local news outside of weather and maybe sports But they do serve a very very important Service and I think oftentimes people tend to kind of underrate them because oh I can get it on the internet I get this that it's like you get you get the broader picture But sometimes you miss out on the smaller details that affect you directly, right? Yeah, there's plenty of stories in the Bay Area that are covered in a national global News journal or paper so good on them way to go. All right, so here's where the headlines music is gonna go All right, here we go to our discussion story So Lamar Wilson was downtown and bravely brave traffic to make it back and tell us all about YouTube announcing YouTube gaming so first I want to find out what it was like Then we're gonna talk about it and then Lamar is going to unbox something on Bag unbox, I don't know. I don't know what's in this bag. So it'll be it will be exciting But yeah, I was invited to a pre e3 Event and I had no idea what it was. I assumed they might be talking about the live You know their twitch competitor. So so we got there and and Ryan white who's the head of gaming You don't get gave a speech and this was live cancer as well. And yeah, they released YouTube gaming as a Separate mobile app and it'll be desktop as well. And I was I was surprised to see and delighted to see that is for Iowa's and Android and I got to say the Well before I get to how the app is Basically, it's pulling all of the gaming content off of YouTube and putting it in one app Wow, that's easier. That's and they categorize it. So very much like twitch you can look and I'm a big twitch user I can type in Splatoon or a call of duty and it'll pull up Gameplay related, you know to that game. I obviously I'm sure there's some curation done What I might like at a certain channel or whatever, but it it seemed to be very swift They did make a point to a to search call You know you type, you know call duty call and he says see there's no call me Maybe popping up like it would like it would on YouTube which I thought was was funny So it really does narrow down. I looked up my channel my channel has a mix of content It does have gaming content And you know what else has, you know, some vlogs and some other Showcases and it eliminated all of the stuff that didn't pertain the game. It was really Do you have to tag those videos then? What's concerned gaming content what the guy told me when I was doing a demo is that I would say if you Categorize it under gaming because you can categorize your videos That's number one tags and and titles definitely play a role as well So they see the word gameplay which I do put in my tags or I put the word games They're looking at all of that. The one example. There's a video. I did a couple days ago that was a It was a favorites videos may favorites now that wasn't a gaming video But it did have some gaming components in there I talked about things I talked about Splatoon be my favorite and that was tagged in the description and And and and so it did pop up as as a gaming video is you know game So I think they're I think they're trying to go for gaming culture Things because you know, I've also unboxed a Meebo and unboxed other things anything related to gaming So really that these are filtering tools to put the call from the existing content on the YouTube Networks right and and and you know and hey if you know, this is a podcast So you want to I would definitely give you to my cynical side as well And I'll tell you how the app was my cynical side tells me that they They they should have done this a year ago and they had no choice at this time You know they YouTube has ignored gamers because they didn't they never respected them They When they changed the algorithm a couple years ago to favor watch time they thought they were helping their shows They're a hundred million, you know, they spent a hundred million dollars They thought they were going to help long-form shows and they forgot that people sit there and watch game after game after game And so that's how the PewDiePie's were born and and markipliers and such and so now they have to address it twitch is taking Eyeballs away from YouTube And it's interesting because you know twitch is trying to broaden out Their content offerings as well and so you kind of have this weird overlapping of yeah genres that they're doing Now I was talking to my friend Jen Cutter who lives up in Canada, but she's an avid twitch follower and I was picking her brain For anyone who might remember their name. She used to be on call for help Canada as a regular contributor to to the show and It's interesting because right now you have twitch and hitbox which kind of the big kind of the big streaming and But you know what I was asking her's like so like you know, so how does YouTube fit into it as well YouTube still allows a repository for people who do who want to do games Who want to do gameplay and then just kind of store it so people watch it later twitch is great for Streaming kind of like as you play Like playing people people watch but if someone wants to kind of archive and then pick it up back later It's like oh, I want to see what you did a year ago. You know YouTube is kind of the preferred Destination because you know the way she puts it the video on demand portion of twit twitch kind of sucks compared to To YouTube and I think what this is what YouTube is doing is? Recognizing the fact that what you were saying Lamar that this audience is something that shouldn't be ignored I mean ESPN did just released a e-gaming format or e-sports Formatted, you know Content form further further stuff and it's a recognition. Yeah, these people are serious and they have not only not only dedication But they got you know wallets that they that they're willing to to unload for things Yeah, so I'm sorry go ahead. No, I mean go finish your dog. I had some other things that You know, and I think I think we're coming to the point where this will be a serious Not just format but but another kind of content pipe for people outside of all let me watch, you know Cats and dogs and you know making you know googly eyes at each other funny videos or even long form like kind of sit sit commie or or a Drama kind of this is like a serious kind of Channel and especially because sports is so kind of tied up with licensing You can't just show an NFL game on YouTube, right? He's right in the oblivion. Yeah, but you know this kind of has the same fault Now it's not I wouldn't say it's as big as like a pro sports, but it is significant This is a significant group of people absolutely this excellent points. This is huge What I what I liked is that they recognized That live streaming is something that's a thing people like that that connection with their audience audience likes that one-on-one Hey, I get to see you right now connection. That's what's famous on Twitch. So what they Kind of pressed into us to made us realize is that live and video are gonna be an equal footing So if you're live right now Roger, I will get a notification if I'm subscribed to you And then it'll and then when it you know when you're done You know and it's high quality 60 frames a second has a DVR function I did like the DVR functionality. You can let's say you've been streaming for Five hours and I just popped in I can go back up to four hours and catch up If I if I just really wanted to watch you from the beginning So that was amazing. That's really cool. And I think You know, this is my hope. I'm a gamer, but I'm not like I'm not a kind of sit down and watch someone else's gameplay But I do see it as like you know someone involved in podcasting that this is if they really kind of tweak the tools And they really refined them. This could really be a solid Toolset and outlet for for a podcaster. You don't necessarily have to rely on a weird, you know Jenny shake, you know nodding in agreement. It's like a weird clue of tools just a simple like our show out And I guess so here are my questions that I'm gonna jump in here for a second number one I will just say that even though I agree with you Lamar absolutely. They're probably a year too late I did I do teach a class over the hill in the valley about new media and I asked them the other day Okay So who here knows twitch and these kind of 20 to 26 year old people nobody knew it Who here knows YouTube? They all know it. So there's still space. There's still space for you Giant universe of things They're they may not win people from twitch, but again, like it's not just a zero-sum game There's this entire universe of maybe even more casual gamers that might not understand twitch or not like me I play but I don't I'm not on twitch and then yeah my my comment was I'm sorry I stated it like that But what I mean, I meant they're you too late. They should have had this out a year ago I do I don't I don't mean they're too late and they won't capture an audience Just like Apple will capture that that music audience no matter how long Spotify has been out because it's built in The fact that YouTube can push eyeballs wherever they want they can make anything viral They want to make and they're gonna put and they're gonna push people to this and it will be super successful Because now me as a creator I don't have to go to another platform and as Roger said and as you as a podcast person have to set Something completely different up matter of fact once you set this up and set and have you settings the next time you do it Is everything's already set up you only have just one stream line Here's my question. This is my question relating to us because as we know it's all about daily tech news show here So obviously the the YouTube gaming platform is gonna have this great functionality And they're actually going to pay attention to live streaming on that platform Do we think by any chance up that functionality will also be in regular old YouTube? I Think they have to test it out out here, you know the the nice thing about this app I was talking to some a couple of developers were there These weren't YouTube developers that made this just people from Naughty Dog Other game developers came in and say and put this together And that's why the app was as nice as it is and and so I think it's a good testing ground for them to See oh, wow this this works great for this let's spin off Yeah, and to all the genres the one final I'll let you go the one funny thing about the app is All the iOS ones were great The Android apps were the ones they kept crashing was it was just hilarious. I just like it's a Google Come on like they just wouldn't work Yeah, all right, so one final thought from Roger and then I would like to see what is in the bag Oshwag oh And then oh so final thing I was gonna say is like really it depends if the success is not just a user base, but recognition from Large game publishers that use it for example the way that Sony and Microsoft have now offered kind of almost a one button Push to Twitch like if you open up the Xbox one window and you look into a game there You slide it over the next window will be twitch live gameplay or recorded gameplay of that particular game They can get that level of integration with you know with with Platforms like video game consoles or even like steam or something That will have a much wider Effect I agree. Yeah, it's not and I asked a guy about that is there's no announcers Like any TV apps or any game console apps, but it is compatible Chromecast right off the gate Which is really nice. So at least at least I like watching it on a big screen. So What's in the magic bag? I have no idea. Okay, so blah blah blah curves and Free screen flow which is a from subtle screen. It's a $99 value. I guess I have to what just with that. So This Handphones Kraken. Yeah, the Kraken version razors, and I love razor anything. So that That's a hundred or two hundred dollar value right there. I think So, yeah, that's nice. Yeah, I definitely need that and I knew they were giving this they gave everybody a Chromecast because Yeah, they want us to want us to use it and then I don't know what this is opening oh It's a phone. No, I wish It's candy One of those battery backup thing. It just says YouTube gaming on it, which is kind of cool. So Wait, is it a hard drive? Yeah Wait, oh, it's a battery charger. I think it's a battery charger. Yeah, I think it's a bit. Yeah, it looks like a battery charger So, yeah, but yeah, it's cool. And oh, let's see what else. There's something. Oh, the from the Google Ion the Google cardboard. Yeah. Yeah, I won't I won't try to open the front It's put it together. Yeah right now. Yeah, no, these are nice goodies to get started I had no idea what was in the box. It's a new Chromecast was there So now Lamar, but we're gonna head on to the thing But are you you're gonna be all down at E3 next week, right? I'll be yes, and I'm not working it. Thank God This year decided just to be a just just Yeah, just to be an attendee and just kind of enjoy the two years. I've been I've never enjoyed the show because I was always working Right. Oh this time. Yeah Allow me to extend my personal invitation that if anything is super exciting and you're there Just call us up Tom can just call Tom on the phone He could put you right on the show because like this is gonna be This is gonna be a big E3 week coming up in which all the people who don't care about games are gonna be super sad Thank you so much for appearing on the show and telling us all about an event that you attended It was amazing. Are you gonna stick around or you're gonna drop off? I'll sit around for a little bit. All right, so we'll do plugs at the end But let's just all acknowledge that Lamar Wilson is amazing Pick of the day from Roger Here we go. Oh, right. Hey Jenny and Roger since we're since we're on a run of do-it-yourself learning sites in the daily pick section Might I suggest to learnable.com? 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I've been a listener since Buzz out loud days Tom's not here And I appreciate the great value you and your fellow hosts offer I'm a bit ignorant of the difference between producer and show host and was wondering if you could expound a little bit on the topic in Past shows Jason Howell always seemed like he was an active part of the show with great insights to offer just as much as any other Host there were some compliments I have redacted them because we don't need to toot our own horns here But they were really nice and they made our day. I'm not sure if the producers you choose are different from the norm But I get just as attached to their personalities as I do with the rest of your co-hosts keep up the great work James from Springville, Utah So here's an interesting point and I only bring it up because it has come up before from a lot of different people Which is why do you guys always hide? During this show that hasn't in like the history of this tech podcasting necessarily been the case with producers And so I just all it is is that I came from a different kind of producing tradition at CBS news Where if you were a producer and you were on the air that probably meant a president got shot Because otherwise the point was to have the actual on-air person the correspondent be on the air and then when I came here So my whole life story as a producer is about being running around behind the scenes and then having the person They pay a lot of money to be on camera and then when I first came here I didn't know what you know I had a whole huge beat to understand in a way that it wasn't just general assignment And so I did hide myself because I really wanted to focus on making sure I wasn't missing anything And I was doing my job as a producer the way I knew it before I Ever appeared on camera, so it's me not Tom and then I don't know about you Roger What's been your experience with it? Oh, I know I come from six plus years of doing TV and The difference really between you know and that and the television is that a television host is hired to be on camera And they might not seem like it, but that's actually a very grueling job I mean it's to be to be personable to be charismatic and kind of carry yourself across a camera is a very very exhausting line of work and Typically producers were the ones putting to start to gather the stories or find the information that booking guests And that required a lot of running around like when I was on screens there's coffee up I used to come I used to be on the show once in a while in a couple of weeks I would actually host a show when Leo was out But that was kind of in the minority that wasn't my job title my job title was to basically put together a fully fleshed out story and polished and Work with the host in order to present it in the best way possible and with podcasting and new forms of kind of Do it yourself media those lines have kind of blurred right now now you have things like in use new stations But they didn't know as used to be the case you have things called predators who are producers and editors you have Hosts that write their own stories it all these traditional kind of boundaries are slowly kind of being dissolved the way as Technology but also the demands of the new new medium Required that a person be doing multiple things though I don't be on I'm not on there because it's I don't want to be distracting like it is kind of distracting to have someone there Especially if I don't really have anything cogent to say It's just like you know, I feel like a doorknob But like as for for example today show I'm on it. I'll actually be on it Yeah, and and then again you have Lamar Wilson who is doing all the jobs Yes, so Lamar has solved this problem by doing all the jobs, but Lamar has two brothers that look exactly like him Now the magic I hope that at least answered some of your questions about Producing and again, I agree with Roger if I ever have anything to say you can bet I will pipe up and say it But most of the time Tom says it best, right? Yes, so that's why he's on the show Okay, so thank you Lamar you rock you rule I am gonna postpone our dinner that we're gonna have I think at my favorite place until after e3 So once you survive e3 that following week we're going out to a dinner in your honor for doing this If I survive e3, I will be rewarded with food Yeah, or you could have it during but I imagine you will be a little busy so tell folks where they can find you Lamar Oh, yeah, you can find me on YouTube as youtube.com slash Lamar Wilson with two Rs Lifestyle vlogger, but I covered games tech and gadgets food I just did a video for Zagette where I I played like I was Guy Fieri and I went to three restaurants No, yeah Google Google did the video and everything's for e3 It's so professional and I taste test it all day And so that's a that's a two three minute video that's up on a Zagette channel. If you want to try that out That's awesome. Yeah, I don't do that Roger. What do you do? What do you look for you? You can plug my Twitter. It's at Jolly Roger And I also did want to plug my friend Jen Cutter's Twitter because she helped me out researching the story You can find her at Jen Cutter J E N N C u double T er Yeah, and you can find me doing this show As it does it very well I have hugely relied on Roger this week Probably too much because I've been running around and being crazy, but he does a magnificent job. All right Len Peralta, yes, what have we got here? Well, you know the main story, of course, obviously was Twitch going right at it And I know that this is not really a true idea of what eSports is all about I'm familiar with eSports, but you know I wanted to do something that was kind of Talks a bit more about just the physical portion of sports as opposed to the digital version of sports But here is what it looks like with twitch and YouTube going straight at it Who's gonna win? We don't know we're gonna see it's gonna be interesting. I think so. Yeah, that is awesome, dude Hey, thank you so much. You know if you really like it Lamar you can buy it at Len Peralta store comm That's right. It's up there right now like Len Peralta store comm and by the way I just want to also mention if you if you want to get all these images as digital images Save on printing if you don't have any wall space You can actually do that if you go to my patreon patreon.com forward slash Len You back the DTNS lover level you will get every single one of these prints as a high-reds digital image that you can use on your Computer on your phone, whatever you want to do. It's a it's a great thing and it's it's environmentally friendly Guys let Peralta does such an amazing job for the show. So how about next week? We all just at once a day say thanks Len Oh Thanks Len Feel that too. I feel that so thank you. All right awesome Well, thank there's one more set of people we have to thank five thousand and sixty-two patrons For making this show possible for allowing Tom to go off and do other things that help forward his prospects in the world and And we're really grateful. I am particularly grateful every day Stay tuned for after the show for a bunch of comments that Jenny never got to chance to put on the show this week from listeners Just like you are right here goes the theme music All right, our email address is feedback at daily tech new show com call us five one two five nine daily And listen to the show live at tune in dot help feed radio dot com visit our daily website Tom married returns on Monday and is joined by Veronica Belmont super happy about that The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants comm Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Blam we did it Nice shut you didn't need me Roger is so knowledgeable good grief Lamar you were there you had an authentic you to be an experience You know what I didn't grab it because I looked down on my belly And that's like I just need to get smaller and so I just or or what's called in my world Tuesday Yeah, I did the cookies were they were very tempting and I was like no It was too early in the morning. It was like it was what is a let you I got there and said something I just I didn't want to cook you there early Yeah All right So this was cited. Let's see what the titles are. We've got YouTube brings a new game in town I like of course AT&T and Verizon disapprove Probably one of my favorites is from beatmaster Canada sings blame Google And probably what is going to be the title from dark redeemer, but I'm interested in your input to can stream at that game That's for you Yeah, and YouTube put some stream in the game The only game in tube It was funny to twitch Tweeted at the YouTube gaming Twitter is like welcome player to add me on Google plus and In the cap on which is hilarious because no one uses a Google, but uh, yeah, that was it was that's that was funny It's it's an awkward right now in Twitter. You're like they kind of slap a slap them a little bit called them player to yeah, okay You're here Begun the gaming wars have but trust me. They're they're shivering over at twitch. I Mean I would imagine they have YouTube as a built-in audience. They can't they can't even I Don't know it'll be interesting. I think Well, you know the one thing I was gonna say is that I'm not sure if they have these tied down as forever deals, but Twitch does do a lot of the MLG and some of the bigger tournaments Video game tournaments and they broadcast so I don't know if those are exclusive rights or if those Things well, you know, we'll move over to to to YouTube's gamer platform because I think twitch does offer them a bit more control The subscription thing is nice one thing we didn't mention they are allowing you to monetize on the stream Which is nice. I believe there was a signature probably the same It'll be interesting because then you still have some Publishers, you know and I tend to include it who have it, you know issues with it It'll be interesting to see if they still You know do to not take the Nintendo doesn't take down anybody's video, but they do they will claim the monetization later I don't understand that I really don't I think they're gonna I think they're gonna backtrack for me They're supposed to go live with it. Actually, they're supposed to go live in May like And I think I think they're gonna backtrack and I get a good feedback at all from this that there There's a deep seated like I don't know if it's a Paranoia or a misunderstanding, but it's not it's not Nintendo of America. It's Nintendo is no no I yeah, I know I totally know it's where it's coming from Yeah, they don't it's misunderstanding They don't get it and Nintendo of America because I talk with them all the time they they try to explain it to them And it is there's some para I think you're right. It's a paranoia And they just they just don't get it I like if your last place you need to be drawing your games At us to play Which you know the 10 of America does that's why I'm a Ambassador for for them and so a lot of other people they like they give us the please play the games But then you take away the livelihood because this is my living You know can I call you ambassador Wilson? Please I insist everything sounds Ambassador Wilson from Planet Earth. That's great All I do is get a love it get a ball to hit and a goatee I'll be like the captain that was on these face nine. It'd be great. Oh Every Brooks. Yeah, get a commander commander ambassador. I want that one that was commander. I think Yeah, but I would know I want I want to be commander ambassador Yeah, yeah, I just add both of them. Well, we're on our way to the Federation. So you can be commander All right, so what are you excited about Lamar? Coming up next week that you maybe think you know about even if you can't really say like is there anything in particular that you Honestly publishers have wisely Done most of their announcements already because trying to do the announces at E3 is a bad idea. There was article about that yesterday So there I don't think it's gonna be any surprises. I'm I'm more so looking forward to maybe you know, like I'll play Batman a couple weeks before comes You know because that's coming out. Just just getting my hands on some games that maybe I'm hoping ratchet A client has a has an early build that we could play with because that was kind of announced for for next year The the YouTube streaming was that was the only thing I was I really wanted to play with and I didn't get to play with it today Yeah, I didn't get to I did. I got to play with that I mean that not I didn't get to stream but I got to get to play with that as a user I don't think there's this this E3 is a little different I just don't you know, Nintendo has got most of their great games out, you know, and Zelda won't even be shown I just don't think there's anything special this E3 That's gonna blow anybody away, you know, two years ago was the consoles last year Nintendo was written as Mario Kart and Splatoon and you know things they were teasing and they were to start a show last year And the Sony's been quiet and some just not sure what What's it Spence? Yeah, let me know how the crowds are I'm wondering if E3 is maybe Not pulling as much interest as it. I mean it still is kind of a flagpole tent where they call a tentpole thing for the year for video games, but you know if Nintendo doing their kind of like whenever we want to kind of a A public Announcements and stuff and yeah, so I do with you all on Then for the first time they're allowing allowing 5,000 people from the public in so how do they decide that? Is it just like a raffle or well what they did? The biggest publishers are the biggest contributors to the boost face Get an allotment of Passes so Nintendo probably got a thousand Xbox probably got 2000 you know it and they just you know Activision had maybe 500 and then they Within their PR companies decide who which ambassadors or which influences they want to bring in And so that's that's kind of how to where I don't know how the allotment who how they decided how many? Nintendo gifts or Xbox or Sony gets but that's pretty much how they did it Yeah, they have been twice So it's it's it's I went right I went 2005 was the last like super blowout year where they had all the craziness like the loud speakers And then the following and then like the following two years or something totally clamped down on that and it was invite only and it got all weird and kind of Low-key and then it went back as just that event is has more ups and downs than a roller coaster Yeah, I said I've been I was at the Xbox one and ps4 You know before the you know that year before they came out So that was an exciting one and it last year was was you know more game focused. I never know what to expect You know it's It's definitely different monster than CS and I don't I don't like CS anymore This year think I stopped liking after the sixth sixth time. I went. Oh, why am I still here? Like I never left every every genuine like I've been to it like 12 12 or 13 times and this is oh my god Yeah, and you have to and you work every time you go. So that's even worse. It's like groundhogs day Yeah, I'm gonna I Like them more cuz I actually want to I don't know why I should say that I actually want to see these kind of conferences just die because everybody's doing their own Micro-conference as anyway Isn't you know, it's just like the point of the big trade shows initially was I mean that at the time when they were started only large companies could really like GE and and Zebnazina but like Westie house could actually you know do their own kind of public forward-facing events And they did like they would have traveling Things that would travel by bus and go town to town Cross the country and showcase all the wonders of tomorrow that you can get from GE or will be able to get from GE and It was just a way and this is the thing it was a trade show was meant for vendors to talk to other vendors It wasn't meant for get to make deals, right? Yeah, it wasn't there for people Officially to come in and look at what's gonna happen. What's gonna be on the shelves next Next fall or next spring and that's kind of what it ended up being because so many news outlets started Converging in all these places and for a lot of companies like Samsung and stuff was a great place to kind of get the most PR bang for your buck, right? You do that one announcement of 3d TVs all the morning shows have it New York Times has it somewhere in there in their tech section Washington Post or whatever was it was great But now with the dissemination of media and multiple outlets especially online It's maybe not as important, but I still think they're there because you know people who run a chain of electronic stores need You know wants to talk to the vendors about buying X amount of their blu-ray, you know blu-ray players or TVs or whatnot That's a good point. Yeah, I've never thought about it from the vendor point of view because that is the mid That is the reason these shows exist I've always looked at it from the media or public point of view. So that's yeah, good point Motor thank you Len. How's everything you doing? Okay, I think you're awesome. Thank you Everything's going well and yeah, thank you for having me on it was great to see everybody Take care of yourself. All right. Take care Len. All right. Take care. We'll see you. Bye. Bye. Bye And thank you Lamar. It's so great to have you on and I'm gonna write you a short notice Yeah, really I'm glad I looked at my email because my phone was on silent and I just Well now I know I can Twitter DM you Yeah, well, yeah, you can That's all I decide to block you if you do too many so nice Mark you be on the show Lamar. Can you be on the show Lamar? Not this week, but next week we're going to we're going to eat burgers. That's the plan Okay, you don't have to do that. You know that I've been trying to do that for like months. I would like to hang out with you as a person Because you live in the neighborhood and you're pretty cool. So there you go So for down for that we can get some burgers. It's compliment day here. It's compliment. I see And Roger Roger's pretty great Before the watching Roger before YouTube, I know Roger's been around I know That sounds kind of dirty Bye