 ahead. Hi, we're live on video now too. Oh, would you look at that? Hello, look, we can see you all this time. It's two way video. Oh, what are you doing? Yes, you don't do that down. Really? I was expecting so much more. AJC is excited for the gaming goodness on today's show. He says in the chat room at IRC.chatrealm.net. Well, I hope you won't be disappointed. I hope there's gaming goodness. So you don't you don't want to ask about the iPad Pro thing? No, I'd be honest, there isn't much to say. Oh, okay. Yeah, I mean, it's no, I even I even have I even have my my iPad Pro. Oh, right. It's the new invisible model. It's very light. The order one and I did and only the covers come. It's supposed to come any minute now. It'll probably come in. You'll hear Sawyer barking at some point during the show and you'll know my iPad Pro is a red. Is it 10 inch or? Yes, I already have a 12 and a half 12. Yeah, the 12 point. Yeah, that's why I was yeah, I have that already. But I my prompter is a nine inch iPad three third third generation. So you're using a pro for prompter? No, no, I'm using a pro for everything else. But for my prompter, I use this really old iPad and it's on its last legs. It's not going to be able to handle anything pretty soon. So it has problems keeping the connection with the the iPhone for the prompter. So I bought an iPad pro 10 inch, because it will fit in the prompter. Your case. So you're going to use it as a prompter. Yes. And then test it out and see what else I like it for. You'll have to tell me which apps you like for your iPad Pro. Well, I can't wait till iOS 11 because I you know, I basically use the pro the 12 inch pro for video and the sound board here and occasionally like traveling. I'll use it as a bit of a laptop replacement. Well, let's get going on this show, shall we? It's here we go. Daily Tech News show is powered by you. Thanks to every single person who supports us on PayPal, or at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, June 13 2017. I'm Tom Mary joining me. Patrick Beja from across the waters. I've stopped trying to keep track of which country you're in. You're just such a man about Europe. Well, when you see the kitchen behind me, that's Paris. That's right. Okay, that's what I was going to guess, but then I didn't want to be wrong. Because I'm like, that kid, that's pitching the pigeon. That's your Paris kitchen. It's my new short name for the pitching. And then you've got your fiction. Yes, exactly. I'm in the kitchen. You're in the fitting room. When you're in Finland, what do you call it? What do you call the place you're in in Finland? Is that a living room or? Yeah, it's then the is there a Finnish name for it? Like the filling room? No, that doesn't sound right. No, that sounds like where you eat. Filling room. No. The E3 room is what we're in right now. Yes, thank you. That is exactly what we're going to talk about. Patrick's been doing the Lord's work with Scott Johnson and John Jagger and Brian Dunaway and several others covering all of the E3 press conferences and they're all in all the votes are in Patrick and you're going to declare a winner because it's a competition. Everyone always wants to know what E3 I wrote that as the tease because it is fun to think about. Okay, who had the best E3? I'm not sure there is a definitive answer, but we're going to talk about that after we tell you a few tech things you should know. Companies can now add buttons to their Twitter direct messages to help customers visit a web page, start a tweet, send DMs to a different of the company account. Up to three buttons can be attached to any message and the text is customizable. That sounds cool. Thank you. Sony announced it has sold 60.4 million PlayStation 4 game consoles and more than 487.8 million PlayStation 4 game titles worldwide since the launch on November 15, 2013. 2013 or 2030. 20. Because that well, we don't know it might stop. It might just stop right variety reports. Google has hired Manu Gulati, a chip designer who has worked at Apple since 2009, designing chips for Apple. So, you know, all the fuel to the fire that Google certainly wants to design its own chip sounds now here are some more top stories. And of course, the big one breaking this morning, Uber CEO Travis Kalanick will take a leave of absence. I did not set a time for his return said before they can get started on Uber 2.0, he needs to work on Travis 2.0. And related to this, it's not the only reason but it is certainly a factor is that his mother died in a boating accident. And the funeral was on Friday. So this is this is not a good time for Travis Kalanick. Bloomberg reports that on his return, the Uber board will remove some of his duties and appoint an independent chair to limit his influence. That part is a result of former US Attorney Eric Holder's investigation, which he presented to Uber's staff on Tuesday. Among the 47 recommendations are creating a board oversight committee, rewriting Uber's cultural values, particularly giving rigging rid of some of the 14 values that have been used as an excuse for bad behavior, reducing alcohol use at work events, and prohibiting intimate relationships between employees and their bosses, which most companies do right from the start. There is still a separate probe by Perkins Cole LLP reviewing 215 HR claims. And we do not know the results of that other than 20 people being fired last week. So quick note, when one of your recommendations is to reduce alcohol use at work events, that tells you something about the culture of the company. But aside from that, you know, they're they're doing good on the promise of following the recommendations, including some of them, some of the ones that might have been a little bit hard for the board and the leadership to follow. So maybe it is finally the time that Uber is growing up. Now, of course, the pressure was immense. So it would have been hard for them to not do many of those things. But still, there it seems like there is a sense it's hard to say whether or not it's sincere. But it seems sincere. If you were going to paint a picture of what company would look like if it was acting sincerely, this it would match what they're doing here very closely. On the other hand, when you change a company culture, this drastically, it's hard to predict what effect that will have on the company. Now, I'm not saying they shouldn't be doing these things by any stretch, but it will be interesting to see whether Uber continues, forget about being successful, I think they're big enough that they can stay successful for a long time, almost no matter what they do. But will they continue their aggressive expansion, the sort of bravado they have in fighting with city governments, or will they take a more conciliatory approach to things now? I think, you know, this is obviously a really important question. But I think they don't, they've grown enough, and they kind of get the best of both worlds, because they managed to establish themselves with their aggressivity, aggressivity, which was sometimes excessive in some people's minds. And now they're established. And so I don't think they need to be quite as aggressive. And certainly they don't, they shouldn't stop, you know, trying to expand and trying to grow. But they don't need that, that jolt, that the initial attitude provided them with. As one as one Uber era ends, another era ending as well. Verizon announced it has closed its acquisition of Yahoo, which it will combine with AOL into a subsidiary called Oath, led by AOL CEO Tim Armstrong. Yahoo CEO, Marissa Meyer has resigned. This is the end of an era. Don't think anyone surprised. The rumors that she was going to stick around, not be CEO, were met with a lot of skepticism. I took a bit face value. I'm like, hey, you know, maybe she just wants to not have the burden of being CEO, and play around with some projects. But it sounds like no, what she wants to do. And if you look at her Tumblr post is say, I did a lot of really good things at Yahoo in a very difficult situation, that's going to be valuable for someone. So I'm very curious what opportunity she chooses to take next. And who extends that opportunity, because I don't think we've seen the last of Marissa Meyer, I would imagine she's going to give herself, if she's smart, she'll give herself a nice break from all of this, you know, take some time off. But where she goes next will be very interesting to watch. And what Verizon does with Yahoo, aka oath, is going to be very interesting, because these are two companies that were seen when they were independent as not being terribly successful. AOL may bounce back very well. But it wasn't people were not convinced that even with programmatic advertising, they could make it on their own. Yahoo, of course, has been the debate of when is it going to die for years. So Verizon can come in and take the best of both parts of this and make a very strong internet native content company at a time where I think that could be very important. I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon starts to be seen more as a content company than a telecommunications company at some point, which is interesting as well because they might, you know, we depending on how things go on net neutrality and other debates, it seems like the money to be made is over the top services and not necessarily the pipes themselves. So maybe it's a it's a long forward looking move for Verizon as well. They're they might be thinking could be a good idea to hedge our bets. Maybe we're not going to be in our in this business forever. And by making oath a self contained subsidiary, you give yourself a lot of options to spin it out as its own company or to spin off the telecommunications part. And I think that's an interesting acknowledgement that, you know, oath could go either way. This programmatic advertising content be a myth may or may not work. Let's wall it off and see if it does. And then we can sell it at a big profit. If it's a huge upside, we could spin it off as its own company and reward the shareholders or we can close it down if it ends up being an entire failure. It's always an option. Tim Cook told Bloomberg that Apple is quote focusing on autonomous systems for cars. In other words, they're not building cars. They're working on the systems that are used in cars, saying Apple sees it as the mother of all AI projects. Apple still doesn't know what it will do with the technology product wise. They're Cook says they're they're essentially seeing where the technology takes them. Cook also said Apple sees autonomous cars, ride sharing and electrification, which makes me think of the 1930s in rural Tennessee. But he means electric cars as the three vectors for change in the auto industry. So Apple, no surprise, been thinking very much about autonomous cars. I think the only surprising thing about this story, Patrick, is that he actually told Bloomberg something solid about it. I'm not surprised by what he said. And not only did he tell Bloomberg something solid about it, he was he's using very strong words. He's not saying, you know, it's an area of intense interest or this is something we like to look at into and, you know, basically, it's it's expressing the fact that this is going to be an important, a very important area of research for everything. He's saying the mother of all AI projects, which is an interesting term of phrase. Yeah, it's almost dated at this point to be using that. All right, we'll give it The other thing that's interesting about this discussion is after the WWDC tone, where they they were showing, you know, appropriately, but still, hey, we're doing machine learning. Look at us. We have machine learning to here. It's kind of establishing because yes, we know they're doing car stuff and we've seen the car and we but it's still different when they come out and expressly say how important it is to them. So I don't think Apple would do that without the reason behind it. Yeah, I think that kind of divulging stuff. So that's a really important point because when you say we've seen the car, have we kind of maybe? Yeah. I mean, it's a picture. It's pretty certain that it probably is the Apple car. But Apple hasn't said anything about it. Are they working on car stuff? That's indisputable just based on people's LinkedIn profiles and advertisements for jobs. But we didn't know what extent or where the focus was. This collapses all of that into like, oh, yeah, you definitely saw a car out there. And yes, we are not only working on cars, but here's where our focus is. And I don't know if that's something Steve Jobs never did, which was trying to make investors feel comfortable that Apple is headed in the right direction. So all of this uncertainty about what are you spending all your money on cars about suddenly comes into focus when you have the CEO say what we're spending it on is researching autonomous car systems with the idea that eventually we'll put it into cars made by other people. But we're seeing what we can come up with first before we figure out exactly what it looks like. That all makes sense to me. Yeah, it does. It's just unusual to see Apple doing something like this. And I think when we say words like, you know, when we put together next to one another words like it is unusual to see Apple do something like this, I think it's important to add. It's not necessarily a bad thing, right? You know, it's not like, oh, Apple is struggling. Therefore, they're falling apart. Yeah, exactly. It's more in this context right now. What they need is that kind of communication. And that's why they they're purposely directing it that way. And it would be just as worrisome if they hadn't changed anything in the past five years, right? So we're not I'm also not blessing it and saying, ah, they're obviously doing the perfect thing. But yes, it you they're going to act differently over time. It's a company made of different people. And that's that in and of itself is neither good nor ill. Nintendo showed a trailer for Super Mario Odyssey, which comes out October 27th. Mario will be able to throw his hat cappy and inhabit other characters in the game from mushrooms to bullets to dinosaurs. This is the Nintendo E3 announcement. Nintendo never makes a lot of announcements at E3 and they always do it with this Nintendo direct video. There are a couple other things in there as well. But this is the main one. And this is the one everybody expected to hear. And wanted to hear how do you feel as a Mario fan, Patrick, about how Super Mario Odyssey looked in this trailer? I feel a little bit ambivalent because graphically, I'm not a fan of the form. But I think gameplay wise, which is the core of these games, it looked interesting. And I also feel like I should never ever again doubt Nintendo because I wasn't sure about Zelda and it turned out to be one of the most innovative amazing games of the year and maybe of the decade. So I'm going to wait and see on that one. I really like the aesthetic, the sort of jazzy song that they made up for it, which I wasn't sure was was not just a real song that I hadn't heard until she started talking about collecting coins. And I'm like, OK, yeah, they definitely made. But I like that. I like the cityscapes, the different regions they showed. And I'm fascinated. I'm not sure if I like it yet, but I'm fascinated with the idea of Mario inhabiting the other characters in the game and then using their powers for his powers. It's it's weird, but it could be. Yeah, it's weird that it's it seems very open worldy, sandboxy even, which I'll say this. They didn't just make a new version of an existing Mario game, just like when we've had a few forward leaps in game design for Nintendo, especially with the Mario character, you know, with things like Super Mario 3D 64, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and and Galaxy, they they're trying something really different, and that's often when the best things come out. So finally, mesh Wi-Fi router maker Eero announced two new products, a second generation Eero router. It looks pretty much the same as the first gen, but it adds tri-band support for wider coverages, uses a USB-C connector for data and power now. It still has the two ethernet ports. There's some better thermal management stuff like that. An entirely new product they announced is the Eero beacon, which plugs into a wall outlet and has a programmable nightlight that you can either turn off altogether, which is probably what I would do. But if you want to use it, you can you can have it turn on at sunset, stuff like that. Both come with support for the Internet of Things thread protocol. That's new and a new subscription service called Eero Plus is being offered that actively blocks malicious websites and offers more robust parental controls, filters and things like that. That's $10 a month or $99 a year. If you want to buy just the new bundle of Eros, they will work with the previous Eros if you already have them and beacon runs $299 bundled with one of the second gen Eros. An Ero and two beacons is $399 and they have other combinations as well, starting up for preorder today. Nice. Yeah. Do you mess with the mesh? Are you in need of this kind of thing? Are you? Well, my humble dwellings aren't vast enough that I need to mess with the mesh, but you don't have upstairs downstairs, things like that. Yeah. I live in Europe, Tom, our houses and you have multiple story apartments in Europe. I read a French novel once. They're the guarded property of rich people of which. No, George Perrex novel is all about poor people living in these old apartments that they're hanging on to and some of them have stairs. Well, if things have changed, but if if they hadn't, I would, of course, be interested in the mesh network because I know the horrors of having actually my parents used to live in a two-storey sea. And were they super rich? No. No, there you go. So good. Fair enough. All right. Iro, I need a bunch of expensive mesh network routers. They are a little bit expensive. I have to say they do work really well, though. And and if you do need to cover a longish space like like I have here, the vast expenses of Los Angeles, they do come in handy. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, subscribe to Daily Tech headlines. You can find it as a podcast at DailyTechHeadlines.com on the anchor app where you can just flip through the stories as you listen into them and even send calls to us. That's at anchor.fm and on your Amazon Echo as a flash briefing. You can even just tell the echo to add Daily Tech headlines as a flash briefing. And that is a look at the top stories. All right, Patrick, you have done the long marathon of E3 Press coverage, which I noticed Jeff Kanata was one of the people who said having everybody on a different day seemed to help this year. It wasn't as stressful. I don't know. I also sometimes like to just get it all out of the way. Yeah. Now, not that it's not enjoyable, but it is, you know, it's especially for me in Europe. Some of those conferences are in the middle of the night. So the Sony conference yesterday was at three in the morning. So that wasn't very easy. But yes, we did watch all of them. We covered some of them live. And I think it was a pretty good E3 opinions differ on that. But I think it wasn't bad. This E3 was about games. We did not get hardware announcements from Sony or Nintendo. We got a few other ancillary PC related announcements. The only big console hardware announcement was the Xbox One X. We talked about it yesterday on the show. What do you think the impact of what is essentially just a super powered console with, you know, a hot processor and teraflops and lots of RAM. So this is a really delicate topic to discuss, because as in many many areas, when you start talking about brands, there are some emotions that start running high for some people. And I think a good way of approaching this question is framing it in the context of what is the situation now and will this console change that situation, right? Because, of course, as a console, it is extremely powerful. It is indeed the most powerful gaming console that has ever been built. It is also somewhat expensive, which is in line with that amount of power. It is significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 4 Pro and it's a hundred bucks more to buy. So it is a premium product. It is going to be targeted at a portion of the demographic. The PlayStation 4 Pro is being sold at a rate of one for four or five PlayStation Pros sold. So it's still already twenty to twenty four, five percent of the PS4 market. It's not, you know, it's probably reasonable to expect that the Xbox One X is not going to be more than that, probably a little bit less since it costs a little bit more. So with that in mind, it seems like the Xbox One X is probably not going to be growing the market share of Microsoft in this console's generation. They started off on the backfoot and Sony has been leaning on on them during the entirety of the generation. And currently, Sony is outselling Microsoft two to one roughly according to our estimates. So with that product, it's not doing a lot to expand the market share. And with the games, I think it's another issue. There the big problem with Microsoft's console currently is that there aren't exclusive games that you can only get on the Xbox One. Forget about PC availability as well, even in the cases where the games are available on PC, there aren't many that are available only on the Xbox One and not the PS4. So my assessment about that Xbox One X is that it's not going to do much. The situation is not going to change from what it was before. There aren't games that are going to motivate people to buy Xbox One's if they weren't motivated before. Now, that doesn't mean there aren't going to be great games. It doesn't mean that the Xbox One X is not a great console. But I do think we are feeling that quite simply the Xbox One is not very important to Microsoft. It's it's important. It's there, but it feels like and maybe that's not the case. Satya Nadella doesn't consider the gaming division and the Xbox Division to be an integral part of their business, which is fair. You know, they have other things to worry about. I don't know where you're getting that other than the fact that the Xbox One X that the Microsoft didn't do something big to try to steal back market share. I I think that Microsoft values the Xbox quite a bit. And I think everyone of Microsoft would disagree with that statement. So so why do you think Satya Nadella isn't isn't interested in this? Is it because they're just not putting out the exclusive games? I think it's a big part of it. Yes. I mean, you look at the market and you see the situation where the PlayStation 4 is doing better. I mean, Sony is doing better this generation than Microsoft. And you have to decide what are we going to do about it? Are we happy with it, you know? Or are we just going to let it go? Or do we want to change? Of course, it's not, you know, from one day to the next. Microsoft is going to start selling twice as many consoles as Sony. But the the trend could start curving a little bit. Well, OK, I have I have a thought. All right. May I? I think I think you could make an argument. And I don't know. I don't know this. You could make an argument that what Microsoft could also do wrong is react to Sony is to come out and say, OK, push a lot of games out and then have a lot of those games be disappointing and actually have it blow it up in their blow up in their face. And if I take that fact and the fact that Satya Nadella very much sees hardware as a way to push services that maybe this is a longer term game for Microsoft to say, look, what we want is to have really good model hardware, which is what the Xbox one X is. It's it's not meant to sell in high numbers. Phil Spencer even said as much to Eurogamer. Right. It's it's meant to show what the console can do. Push for cross platform where you have a lot of games coming out on PC and on Xbox. And when you're making a first party game, only put it out. And this is again what Phil Spencer claims. You believe him or not, but he claims like we're only going to put these first party content out when it's really good. And and that ties into such Nadella's approach to service and software as well, which is let's be available across platforms. Let's not worry about exclusivity. And when we put something out, let's just make sure it's really good. Now, I don't think they're going to extend that so far as to put out games for Sony's PlayStation 4. I think that that might be a little crazy, at least now. But but I think this is Microsoft saying, you know what, we we're not going to overreact. We're going to make really good hardware and we're going to work on the games and put them out when they're ready. And whether what I'm proposing ends up being true will be shown by whether we start to see really good first party games coming. And if that Xbox one X ends up hockey sticking at some point in the next couple years, once the price comes down and you realize, well, wait a minute, that's actually the machine that can run. Now that I finally have a 4K TV, that's the machine I want. Well, the I disagree. I think let's say if we start seeing incredible first party games in 2018, then maybe at that point, you know, I might have to eat my hat. But I mean, at some point, they have to do something. But it's like it's maybe difficult to overstate the importance of first party games in this industry for people who don't know the industry. They make or break consoles. And it's kind of like saying, you know, I have a hard time finding an analogy even it's, it's like creating a TV channel like doing NBC and not creating content for it, like not producing shows. It just makes no sense. So what's happening now with Microsoft's console is concerning because they don't have first party exclusive content. So, you know, in practice, they have for two amazing racing game, but in a time where racing games are not as popular as they used to be. And crackdown three, which didn't turn huge amounts of heads at the show. It's interesting, but it's not a big game. And when you look at the competition, you have Sony putting out a number of exclusive games and of course, Nintendo living on its exclusive games. And, you know, that's been the case throughout the history of gaming consoles. Now, I do want to mention it doesn't mean the Xbox one is not a good console. It is an excellent console and it can be an absolute valid choice. It's just that when we look at the situation for the past three years and when we look at the showing from Microsoft for this conference, my assessment is things aren't gonna change. Well, and I think you're right. Things aren't gonna get worse for Microsoft. They're not gonna get better for Microsoft. And I think Microsoft is smart enough that they have another shoe that they wanna drop later. One question is, is that a shoe anybody wants and when will it drop? And is there really a shoe? And what kind of shoe is it? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there are still a lot of questions. Let's talk about one of the things that Sony led with because they have the PlayStation VR is a section of VR games. There was VR across many of the press conferences. How did you think VR represented at E3? You know, it was a little bit touch and go in the beginning. We were kind of thinking it might not make a big showing at all. And it didn't make a big showing, but it made a showing. Bethesda is apparently very invested in VR, which is interesting because their parent company Zenimax is suing everyone that ever thought about VR. But they had versions of their games. They had Doom, Fallout 4, and Skyrim with VR implementations of different natures. And it's still other games that are being adapted, but it's another step. We're at a moment where developers start becoming, traditional developers start becoming comfortable enough to create VR stuff that is not just a quick experience. And we also had, as you mentioned, Sony that did carve out a portion. I don't want to say, not a significant portion of their conference. A fifth of the hour maybe or less, yeah. For VR, and they had some interesting titles to show there. So after a concerning start, it ended up being, okay, VR is still here. It's chugging along at a reasonable pace, not the incredible pace that some might have been hoping for, but it's also not faded to the point that it's already a memory like some other, gadgety things might have been in the past. Speaking of memories, what were the memorable moments? Game-wise, press conference-wise, as we wrap this up, what are your takeaways for me three? And who won? Okay, and who won? All right, so there are, this is a difficult one. Moments, there was the, I think Ubisoft press conference, which was really interesting because some of you might know they are being chased by Vivendi in what might turn out to be a hostile takeover. And they are, as I mentioned in Pixels, the gaming show I did with Scott Johnson earlier today, it feels like this giant snake slowly eating at them, gulping them slowly in this inevitable fashion. And they did have a very strong showing, so it was kind of a bittersweet moment. And with Shigeru Miyamoto from Nintendo showing up on stage and praising a Ubisoft developer, that was a very emotional moment. The PC gaming conference was memorable in a very not good way, but it's, we might get into it at this, at another point, it was a very difficult hour and a half to get through. And I guess the games, you know, it's all about the games. And there were some really cool, interesting, surprising games. If I had to choose just one, it's torture, but if I had to, I think I would choose, oh my God, Spider-Man. Spider-Man was pretty amazing. You guys were talking about on the stream how it was basically Arkham Asylum for Marvel. Yeah, and you know, Arkham Asylum was the Batman game that was the first ever really good comic superhero game. And it seems like Spider-Man might do that for Marvel. It copies Arkham's combat system. What was really great about Batman was it made you feel like you were the Batman. Like that's some of the messaging they even had in the third installment, I think. And in this one, it feels like you are being Spider-Man whizzing around and using his web and going from building to building and fighting and throwing quips here and there. And it feels dynamic and somewhat emotional when things are falling on people in New York, he's doing his done is. You're fighting helicopters and... Yeah, to save everyone. And it's... There were many interesting games in that in those three days. And I think that one took the crown for me. But that's, you know, everyone. So there you have it, folks. Spider-Man 1 E3. And that's a completely acceptable outcome, I think, forever. Yeah. Thank you. Good job, Peter Parker. If you want, if you want more, if you're still like chomping at the bit to find out more about E3 and particularly what Patrick thinks, be sure to check out Pixels or Booxels because it's Scott's Boop Show and Patrick's Pixel Show combined for the E3 wrap-up. And you can find that at Frenchspin.com. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. Real quickly before we get out of here, I'm still waiting for my iPad Pro to show up. I did get the keyboard, though, just to torture me. But you got yours. And what do you think for it so far? What's your early impression? Yeah, here it is, the 10 inch. It's almost as small as the 9.7 inch. It's exactly the same build quality, as one can expect. But the big thing is the screen. And I'll be honest, I'm not seeing a huge difference. The 120 Hertz refresh rate and the higher quality screen. When I put the two next to one another, it's, yes, I see that it's smoother on the new Pro. But it might be the kind of thing where you kind of miss it if you lose it. But going, you know, upgrading, it feels like, oh, okay, yeah, it's a screen, it's good. So I'm not sure how I feel about it. The previous one was an Air 2. So it was, you know, not even a Pro. But it's good. I mean, aside from that, I did install iOS 11 beta and we don't have a lot of time. So I'm not gonna get into it, but it does make the productivity of the device increased by a significant amount. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. On my iPad Pro 12 inch, as well as the, I went ahead and got the 10 inch iPad Pro to replace a third generation iPad that I've been using for smaller iPad things. And because it's almost the same size, it can fit in, save my prompter cradle and stuff like that. So I'm looking forward to trying it out. Quick message of the day before we're out of here comes from Mike Freeman who listened to us talking about replacements for passwords on Friday's show, on Thursday's show actually. And Mike says the BioSig ID app came up as a new form of password authentication. And I think this method has potential, but as Shannon joked on Friday, what if you lose your fingers or what if you never had any? Accessibility will have to be a major consideration in the design of any replacement for password authentication. Accessibility isn't the only consideration. We need to ensure that any new security solution follows a universal design approach. The solution will need to be usable by all people regardless of age, vision, auditory or cognitive ability. I think these considerations are what make designing a secure alternative so difficult. In case you're interested, there's a paper by a local university in Ottawa that studied password use in children and adults. And it's interesting to contrast. And we'll have a link to that in the show notes. Thank you, Mike, for that paper link and for that perspective. And thank you, Patrick Beja. Of course, I kind of stole your thunder when I mentioned Pixels and Frenchbin.com, but tell us more about where people can find more of what you're doing. Sure, well, that is a good start. Pixels is a gaming show I do every two weeks where we cover the news, not necessarily reviews, but sort of keep your praise of what's been happening in the world of gaming and throw a code of analysis on it. And we did all of these live shows, commentaries that we did throw on the feed, actually. If you, I would be certain that people wouldn't like having us talk over the conferences and listen to that. But apparently people really appreciate it. So we did that. And then just a couple of hours ago, Scott and I got together and discussed everything that happened at those conferences in detail with a lot of discussion and analysis, as I said. And that's the latest episode available on the Pixels feed. So if you are interested in video game, just go check it out, listen to it. If nothing else, listen to the E3-1 because this is the big one of the year. And it's available at frenchspin.com or as Pixels on your podcast app. Thanks to everybody who gives a little value back for the value they get from the show, including Matt Knowles, June Song, Matuba and many, many more at patreon.com slash DTNS. We're actually up for patrons over last month. So thank you for that. Keep it coming and stick around. Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We're live Monday through Friday, 4.30 p.m. Eastern, 2030 UTC at alphageekradio.com and diamondclub.tv We're at facebook.com slash dailytechnewshow. And our website is dailytechnewshow.com. Back tomorrow with Scott Johnson. Talk to you then. Bye. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. I hope you have enjoyed this program. Woo, good show. We packed a lot in there. Yeah, it was a good rhythm. And you managed to keep it under 210. Yes, 210 pounds is what Roger's saying. We didn't get fat. Yes, I like this title by MJ. Patrick disagrees. Oh, but there's a there's a. There's a longer version down there from W. Scott is one. Oh, Tom has a thought about Xbox one and Patrick disagrees. That's for you. The self-driving force behind Apple's future. Toodle to Yahoo. Patrick's pitch in no car yet. Tom has a thought. E3 Kings of gaming cons are. Of colonics and colonics buying Xbox one on the day it comes out. Spider-Man, Spider-Man tortures Patrick. We're in every measure of the Mario snatchers. Patrick chooses Spider-Man, but it's torture. Yeah, the problem with Tom, Tom has a thought about Xbox one and Patrick disagrees. It's too long. Oh, maybe Tom has a thought and Patrick disagrees. Yeah, I was just thinking the exact same thing. What if we just got the Xbox part? Yeah, it sort of combines W. Scott is one and and Zoe brings bacon and and MJ is everyone together. I like it. So, Spider-Man. All right, I'm actually incredibly hungry. I'm sure you are. Yeah, I'm going to go have some food. What are you going to have? Sushi. That's, I guess, not racist, but no, it's because you used to have that cheese closet thing behind. What? Did you have like a cabinet that was meant for? I asked you one time. Yeah, you just said, oh, you put your cheeses in there. It's like, all right. Oh, you don't remember that. I don't remember Patrick's cheese closet. Are you sure this wasn't one of your dreams? No, no. He mentioned maybe I was missing with you. It was like a closet, like a regular closet. Is that a cabinet? I don't know. I mean, wherever your camera was set up before you moved to Fintland. All French apartments have cheese closets, obviously. I don't remember the cheese closet. All right, go eat. All right, thanks, guys. Thanks, man. I like the idea of a cheese closet. Would it would be have to be like slightly cooler? Well, it'd be like, what do they call those things for? Yeah, yeah, it's temperature controlled. Well, that's my cheese closet. Yeah, remember, he said something about like, that's where you store your maybe your hard cheese. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't remember that. Oftentimes, I'm busy, you know, editing the show, so I might have just missed it. Cheese grommet baking closet. Isn't a baking closet just a curing rack? So he brings bacon. Oh, is that where you where you leave it? To cure bacon, bacon closet? Yeah. No, I think she's saying she just needs a closet full of bacon. I didn't realize that bacon was a big deal in Britain. I like bacon in Britain. I've had bacon in Britain a lot. I think Zoe. Zoe brings bacon, likes bacon more than the average English person. She over indexes. Hmm. She says it's a big deal with me. Zoe brings bacon also likes coffee. And I don't like coffee. I love coffee and I love bacon. That's why Zoe and I get along. I like bacon on occasion, but it's not a it's like Cookie Monster and Cookies. It's not a every day, not a every day food. I thought Cookie Monster did eat cookies every day. No, he went on the Colbert show. Or is it? She made some mention of cookies not being an every day food because they wanted to tell to the kids that you just don't eat it every day. I know we cookies every day. I mean, I would not every day food, that kind of thing. Yeah, I should eat, you know, you should eat your vegetables and fruits, although a fruity vegetable cookie would be nice. But when they introduced Cookie Monster at the beginning of Sesame Street, it was always with the idea that people were trying to teach him that he shouldn't eat cookies all the time. So that's kind of been built into his story from. Yeah, well, part of it is they wanted to make a monster, but they wanted to give him. Yeah, make it funny and friendly. Well, make him accessible. It's like, oh, cookies. Who doesn't love cookies? Kids didn't have the diabetes issue back then that they do today. Well, they did. We just didn't know about it. Not at the same rates, apparently, according to the national. You know, I'm still curious if we'll ever find out exactly what's causing that. And my theory had always been that it was corn syrup somehow because because the the rise in it seems to coincide with that. But that's just correlative. And there may be some process just eating a higher proportion of our diet being processed. Well, but that that that's meaningless. What about processed foods is causing it, though? That's green carbs. Hmm, I don't know. We eat too much. That could be just that you could be simple as eating too much. I think that's quite possible, especially because and this this would flesh out your process food statement. We eat more of things that are less nutrition, less nutritive. Well, I'm wondering if also it's just and it's not just corn syrup, but just sugar in general. I mean, that's the whole thing is one of the arguments being put forward is that it's just just sugar and everything sugar in everything. No, I remember when I tried to stop eating sugar and I found I was shocked at all the different places you found it. I was I was surprised when I found sugar and spaghetti sauce or yeah. Like just marinara sauce. It's like what? Yeah, I have spaghetti sauce recipes that call for adding sugar and I just don't. I like my my sauce is a little more savory anyway. Savory sauces. Oh, let me put this into a piece. And it's been check it and see it as the links from column C. Let's see where you're going with this. That's true. I mean, that's that's all I ever kind of end on when I do the hot blooded. Oh, foreigner, one of our great cultural treasures. Remember when everyone had like kind of a single mound name Asia, foreigner, Europe, Europe, yeah, survivor. It's just a queen. Yeah. It was like a mad lib dream. I heard Ellie just now. Yeah, she's crazy. She's a crazy baby. Really, she's just crazy. Your item is ready. Oh, did you order something? No, but I uploaded a file to archive.org. That was the item in question. SoundCloud's taken longer than usual today. You know what? I bet you'd see three people are uploading their podcast or something. Could be. I played a game. Uploading podcast. Played a game. It was disappointing because I'm a hater. I'm excited. I hope they finish it so I can play past the title screen. Oh, there's your pay spin link. Oh, thanks. Thanks, W. Scottis one. Very handy. Always there for you, that W. Scottis one. The good guy, too. So I had blood taken out of me this morning by the vampires at the lab. And it's actually the name of the lab. It's called Vampire Lab. Yes, Dracula's Vampire Labs. I'm like, really? Are you sure this is a cover? It's covered by your insurance. So they're really staking to you. The lady asked me, which arm do you want to take it out of? And I said, neither. I really don't want to take it out of either one of them. I usually say, don't take too much. I need some to live. Leave me a little bit. Are you guys having shirts? One of these days, they'll be able to do that test without taking anything out of you. Yeah, they'll just do some kind of spectrometer like thing. Shiny. We're just going to radiate your forearms. So they'll shine a light through your forearm and be able to tell everything. Actually, I'm wondering, and it's still kind of creepy, but having nanobots constantly in your bloodstream. Yeah, just reporting. Yeah, it'll be like a like a future fitness tracker. Well, because that's the ultimate preventative medicine, right? Instead of testing for something when you see a symptom, it just alerts you like, hey, your omega threes are lower. Eat some fish today. It'll be it'd be interesting because in many ways it would people would be, I think, super used to it. Or these guys who are people who play video games because there's so many games where it's like, you need to eat food or you're low on this, you're low on that. Yeah, low on vitamin C. Kind of looking forward to that. I would like that. I wouldn't mind if they could do what they did in Futurama, where they remember fry gets infected with those worms. Yeah, except they they make him better. They massage his muscles, making him stronger. Right, right, right. Totally prove of that. That's not only what I want. It's like, be your best. Beneficial parasites. I guess you would call them parasites at that point. I mean, there's not a teenager living at home. Make it a mess, right? Well, folks, I am think we're I am think we're done. And that is what I am think. And I hope you enjoyed the show and will tell your friends to subscribe. Subscribe. Goodbye. What are you, Dougie?